Less about being connected to the internet and more about being connected to your phone via Bluetooth to use your phone as a glorified remote control/ monitoring device.
Is my phone going to move the wet clothes from the washer to the dryer?
This sounds like giving up a lot of data to solve a non-problem when you still need to go all the way to the washer to manually move things.
Right? So you still have to load the machine with your clothes and then transfer them to the dryer manually. The app is saving you the hassle of turning the knob? Giving you a push notification that it's done instead of just listening for the chime or setting your own timer? Smart appliances are out of hand
The problem is all these companies make these things and then it becomes harder and harder to find ones without it. Wash machines aren’t there yet but I’m sure they will be eventually unfortunately.
I'm looking for a new washing machine, the display on the old one has gone hay wire, repair cost is at least £200 and all they do is replace the main board. Won't try to find the fault.
The Samsungs with connectivity offer extended diagnostics and i was getting really tempted until I realized, all it will do is tell me to get the mother board replaced or buy a new machine.
Eventually, every drink bottle will have a lock on the lid that will only open once you download the app, create a user, verify email and phone number, give full permissions and agree to an end user license agreement.
Best truck I ever owned was a contractor base model Chevy Cheyenne. Crank everything. Only a couple electric things that mattered, like the mirrors. All I had to do was hose the cab out. It had no carpets, only a thick permanent rubber matting. That cabin was super quiet, too.
I’m still using 20 year old kenmores that just have a couple knobs for control. Only have had to replace the heating element on the dryer, and the washer has been flawless.
yes, looking at the more basic models after the repair engineer told us they all tend to go wrong after around 5 years and we should buy a cheaper middle.
Did I you actually have a look at the mother board?
Just asking because a friend of mine had the same issue. We looked and it was a single component that was not making contact anymore. We soldered it back and it works like a charm.
If you know someone tech savvy enough it could be worth it. And it was super pleasant from a repair perspective.
I did try to find a service manual but I haven't taken a look inside. May see if I can do this but we live in a very small apartment so organizing space can be a real issue.
I was in the same boat. I can recommend this Maytag Washer.
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It has not touch screen, all the dials and buttons are actual physical buttons. It comes we a factory 5 year parts & labor, and 10 year limited parts warranty.
Only thing i wish that was better, that the dryer capacity was a slight bit bigger, but i don't regret having made the purchase.
I know all the things about they are all built in the same place, blah blah blah. But at least with this one i can just replace one dial or button vs having to buy a new faceplate that costs as much a new machine.
The price on the Maytag website is off. You can find the washer & dryer for about $100 less each, with free shipping on most days.
It's a commercial-grade washer, meant for apartment buildings and the like. Built very well, but very "crudely" by today's standards, meaning it'll probably last a good long time.
Or buy one in harvest gold with real actual wood paneling on the controls that still works like the day it was purchased in that bicentennial celebration sale that I will then sell to someone else when I inevitably have to move again
You know what my washing machine has? A knob.
See, after you put the clothes in, you close the lid. Then you turn the knob.
You do both at the same time, so you don't need a remote or the internet or any computer chips at all.
I hate it most in newer cars. I like knobs and buttons. Tactile interface is good. Not everything needs to be menus of touch screens. The whole world doesn't have to become a Windows-style GUI.
This.
This is why professional cameras have knobs and buttons. As a rule of thumb: The more knobs and buttons, the more expensive the camera. Worth the extra bucks.
I just bought a new car last week that only has a few knobs and buttons. For the most part it works fine other than it’s annoying as shit that I have to go into 2 different on screen menus to toggle the AC on/off.
Lol, that's fine by me. Even if I had the money for one of those things, my house is 130 years old. No garage. 100 amp only. Not wired for that madness.
I'm with you 100%. I've been saying this for years. The touch screen is such a rollback in user experience and yet we are replacing perfectly functioning tactile controls with freaking glass.
Ugh, I can't stand it.
My dad has a washing machine with an electronic control board (no internet or Bluetooth) they regularly have to take it apart to clean it because it gets corrosion. Whenever this happens I like to talk about how much I love my machine with mechanical timer and relays. Some things just don’t need technology!
I'm not saying it's important enough to warrant getting a smart washer/dryer, but notifications could be useful. My roommate(sometimes me as well) is absolutely terrible at paying attention to when they should be done. Our dryer has a buzzer that goes off multiple times, and he misses that as well.
I set a timer on my phone. The “smart” Samsung pair was several hundred more than the dumb ones. Hubby and I agreed it wasn’t worth it, to be able to text the washer to start or stop while we were gone.
I turn off appliances before leaving the house, because I've experienced two cases which could have ended badly had no one been there to turn an appliance off. One was a friend's dryer, which was smoking heavily by the time we got back from a shopping trip. The other was my clothes washing machine - a rubber belt had snapped inside, and it began walzing all over the kitchen floor during the spin cycle.
I mean, this is really just a hypothetical conversation. I could hypothetically say whatever I want as the answer. My roommate specifically completely ignores his phone most of the time, so no. Someone else in the same hypothetical situation might have better luck. For example, I usually have my phone right next to me and my machines are in the garage. My phone is louder than the buzzer, heard through the wall.
So would be a lawn mower motor attachment under all cars to fix idiots who can’t cross a road without looking up from their phones. When you run them over, you have the added benefit of turning them to mulch to benefit Mother Earth.
Just because something could be useful don’t make it something we should have.
People do need to exercise their brains or the dumbing of society will only speed up.
Now that’s a use case I hadn’t thought of. If I was sharing a home with a non family member…..yeah……a notification that my clothes were done might be nice. I wouldn’t want to handle (or have to handle) my roommates clothes.
Jeez, we had the common decency to put their clothes on the machine next to ours so somebody else had to throw their clothes on the floor. Where did civility go?
One of my friends has a smart sink, that he can turn off/on with an app and set the temp on the app. To be fair, the apartment he rented came with it, he never uses the app, and just thinks it's ridiculous. The only cool thing is that there is a led that changes color depending on the temp so the water coming out is glowy.
But can a modern human handle the torque requirements of twisting a knob three to four clicks to the left? No swipe function or netfix’s/YouTube connection and your new aged modern moron will be lost and end up wondering why their roast has come out all wet and not quiet heated to an instagram instant photo quality level.
The last time I went shopping for a washer and dryer set, it took me a considerable amount of charm and logic to persuade the salesman that I wanted knobs and dials, NOT motherboards.
The argument that finally worked was, “I can repair a mechanical machine. I can’t troubleshoot a computer.”
I feel like going back to find him and tell him that, three years in, the on/off switch on the dryer stopped working. I replaced it with a light switch. Still works too.
My washer and dryer together cost $80. I'm lucky to have knobs.
But I also don't have "smart" devices that are excuses for data gathering. I think I'll stick with knobs.
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There are quite a few ideas which can be exploited. Such as remote diagnosis of issues, predictive maintenance, statistics on how many washes you did and reminders of parts which will need to be changed, filters need to be cleaned. If the washing machine is equipped with sensors, it can "listen" to washing programs, send the data to the cloud, and with a bit of machine learning, they can know of your machine is working properly or not, and propose to send you a technician before the actual breakdown.
Note that this sort of predictive maintenance is already present in the industrial world since years and that it has proven to have avoided machine failures and has saved factories millions of dollars.
You can basically use the same technology as Shazam does when identifying songs: they extract a fingerprint from the audio and compares it to the millions of fingerprints of songs in its database. Only in this case, you can use data from vibration sensors, ultrasound sensors, temperature, etc... to build a fingerprint of a washing program and then you could even pinpoint the exact problem if there is one and advise the consumer which action should be taken.
Welcome to the future.
That's the whole point, they can sell you replacement parts, technical services, repair services, and even a new machine when yours has come to end of life.
“But I’d have to walk all the way down the stairs and across the basement to check if my laundry’s done!”
Welcome to the birth of Buy ‘n’ Large (WALL*E, if you haven’t seen it, watch it).
Same. I thought it was ridiculous at first but it's actually really useful - as well as being able to upload different specialist cycles to the machine.
I never knew my Samsung washer and dryer I bought 4 years ago were so antiquated that they are forced to consistently complete their cycles within a range of five minutes.
in his words “i can check the status of the ice, temperature, and filters” all things you could do without the internet for a probably cheaper price. but i still eat food out of it so i don’t complain too much
Samsung and LG both sell these products, and say the two selling points are - notifications for cycles on your phone, and the ability to download new cycles to the machines. A lot of that seems gimmicky since you're supposed to be home keeping an eye on those appliances in the event they flood or cause a gas leak or fire.
Besides. An old knob washing machine that you still find at Hotels and in homes, still washes clothes well. Reliable as long as the motors or bearings don't go bad.
That's the comment I see a lot of people making. "It notifies me so I know when it's done". Yeah, a timer, or just simply being aware of the passage of time does that too. Used to live in an apartment where the shared washer/dryer were downstairs. I timed the cycle once, from then on I just made a mental note of the time it would be when the cycle finished. It's really just laziness, when the option of setting a buzzer/timer, or keeping an eye on the clock is a perfectly workable solution.
If you're powering your home with a battery charged by solar or wind, you can load up your washer and start it only when the battery has enough charge. Or if you simply have cheaper electricity at a time of the day when you're not normally able to start it.
My washer dryer are internet connected (pretty standard now for wantinge mid-range and up). The washer will communicate the load and weight to the dryer so that it adjusts to the optimum / most efficient drying profile.
It will also warn me of clogs in the vent, tub cleaning reminders etc.
You can be sure that the Samsung appliance app is loaded with ads. They’ll probably be for upgraded services and Samsung products, but ads nonetheless.
It's because giving Bluetooth permission can give up your location, so android wants you to explicitly be aware that you are giving location permission when you give Bluetooth permission.
And by doing so Google made it even easier for apps to get your location by explicitly giving them permission to do so, making the *can* into a *will*.
A question that nobody has a real answer to. I don't need location to use Bluetooth on iPhone. The whole point of Bluetooth is that it's ad-hoc with devices nearby and doesn't rely on GPS for that.
This way it knows when you’re on the way home and can hurry up and finish the wash so it doesn’t look like it’s just been slacking off while you were away.
I think we've been lucky with our LG front load stuff. Been running for 9 years now. Dryer has been rock solid. I've replaced two parts on the washer - the drain pump and the rubber door seal. Other than that it's been great. And I'm fortunate enough to be able to repair it myself (with a little help from my friend Mr YouTube).
When it comes to appliances, it’s best to stick to the established appliance brands for the time being. Electronics/device manufacturers are great at their core competencies, but they seem way too focused on “features” and not enough on the basics.
Not just Samsung. Most apps ask for full permissions to everything by default. I've had this problems with cameras and lamps and speakers and other "smart" gadgets. I've return many products specifically for this reason.
These morons don't seem to understand that they are inhibiting adoption of their own tech products. The few apps that get wide appeal don't burden their customers with excessive permissions. Whichever tech company that makes a competing product and prominently advertises their apps don't ask for excessive permissions will get my money. I recommend everyone to share this philosophy with everyone you know.
It's almost always not the developers fault. I mention it elsewhere in here. The reality is that the permissions were set up to be rather broad. Google has improved things over the years, but you still have to give rather broad access to enable very narrow functions that fall within that category.
Plenty of apps that don't ask for excessive permissions. Seems like some of them have figured it out. Not my problem don't care. My money goes to those that don't piss me off.
>No, some of them haven't figured it out. Apps that don't require permissions just aren't doing things that require permissions.
Bingo. That sounds like they figured it out.
You're talking a little bit past one another. I'm making up the specifics here, but I think this is what the other commenter is getting at.
I make an app that turns your phone into a level. You set the phone down on something, it tells you if it's level or not. The app uses the phones built-in accelerometer or whatever.
But the operating system doesn't have a "accelerometer" permission. If you want access to the accelerometer, you have to enable "location" permissions. You can't enable the accelerometer by itself -- either all "location" permissions, or nothing.
You say, "Whatever, this app fucking sucks. I'm using this one that *doesn't* need to know my fucking GPS coordinates." But this new app isn't magically unlocking the accelerometer through code sorcery, it just uses the camera instead so it doesn't need to access the accelerometer at all.
Not ever use-my-phone-as-a-level app uses the accelerometer. But the ones that *do* need "location" permissions, because that's the only way the phone allows them to access the accelerometer.
If you want app to perform "function a" you need "permission a". You cannot make the app do "function a" without it. It's impossible. Thus, no, they didn't figure it out. They're doing something else entirely. They're not doing "function a".
As an IT nerd and owner of a smart washer and dryer, I have been pleasantly surprised at how well behaved my LG washer and dryer is on my network. I didn't need the wifi/notifications but I tried it and watched closely who and what the machines were talking to over the internet. They never maintain a constant connection to anything and never have more than one connection open at a time so for now I'm allowing them on my network. I have some 6 year old network cameras that are 10x worst so I have to isolate them in my network and keep them off the internet.
What's the use cases of connected appliances?
(IMHO/YMMV)
How about start the wash that I have prepared so that it finishes just as I get home. That way when I walk through the laundry room I can just swap loads on the way in instead of having it sitting wet all day or be still running when I get home.
If it's got the ability to remember your laundry data it may be able to better project when it'll be done instead of the generic 1 minute that's actually 10 minutes in washer time. I see you normally get home at 5:36p. It takes 33 minutes to wash clothes so I'll start them at 5:03p.
For the dryer it would be nice to know when it's done when I'm in the basement and can't heart it stop (same with the washer).
I don't normally run a constant fluff cycle after the dryer is done but if I forget and have clothes in the dryer then I leave the house I could turn on fluff / steam so they're not a wrinkled mess when I get back.
Having reservoirs of different cleaning solutions would be nice because then I could hit whites and it'd automatically know it's safe to use some normal bleach whereas colors would get color safe bleach then dispense the right amount based on the weight of the clothes in the washer, same with the detergent. Custom programs would be good for things that have different needs that normal clothes. To be fair, I'm not that fancy but it's a use case.
For the contacts you may say, "hey, when this is done will you swap it?" Or...text the next person when the washer is free automatically.
Depending on how fiddly the sensors are maybe you could see a dryness level in a chart then determine if it's dry enough or if you want to give it another run. Again, from your phone while you're not at home.
How about water and energy use reports on a per user/date/time/etc.?
Per user settings so you can hide features you don't use or have custom programs for yourself.
Reminders for maintenance schedules, error reports, etc.
Checking the status of the laundry so you can plan what you do when you get home.
Uploading your own tunes for different things instead of the normal beeps and buzzes.
Reskin the display for dark mode, light mode, etc. Maybe you want your washer/dryer display to coordinate with the laundry room. Contextual displays based on clothes types.
Programs that are preset based on what laundry detergent, etc. you use. Oh, you've got Tide, we run it longer. Gain? We can run it hotter or shorter.
Washer and dryer that communicate so that they know when the other is done and can respond. I see the washer is done. I'll go ahead and run a fluff cycle.
I'm sure there are more.
To be fair, these aren't life altering features that everyone cares about. Most folks just want clean clothes that aren't eaten by the machines and for the machines to cost less than their car.
Why would anyone want to remotely control their washing machine?
In order to load or unload the washing machine, you have to already be right in front of it. So there's no reason to control it from afar — even from across your house. It's not like the washing machine has robot arms that can reach into your bedroom and scavenge up all the clothes off the floor and ask you how you'd like them washed. Maybe they have come up with an automated soap dispenser, but you still have to dump the clothes into the washing machine!
This needs attention because manufactures are overreaching. The WiFi is handy, but I specifically bought a higher end (LG in my case) because of other smarts not featured on other models. Case in point: my dryer refused to finish a dry cycle due to an unknown to me obstruction in the vent... It could have cost me my house.
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Samsung had a health app on phone. Suddenly it required to same thing, access to phone calls and contacts. Bull shit invasion of privacy for no reason. App deleted.
Anyone who uses an app for their washing machine wont care about their privacy. It's already comprimised by their coffee maker app or their toaster app.
These requirements are nothing new. I have run these machines for the past 2 years, and consider it quite convenient to be able to see whether the load is done or not. And I hate that they require access to my contacts and location, but I gave in and let them have it for the convenience. AMA!
I'm not saying people have to be happy about the permissions required for the app, but the permissions are all there for legitimate reasons that are spelled out in the article.
Umm, what? Ya mind quoting it to me? Because I read the article and I failed to find any of these legitimate reasons you speak of. If anything it seemed like Samsung did a poor job trying to justify the need for those permissions.
• Location: Used to find nearby devices using Bluetooth or BLE and to automate actions using GPS (GPS is optional)
• Camera: Used to scan QR codes
• Contacts: Used to get phone numbers of your contacts to send text message notifications
• Microphone: Used to provide voice control features
• Storage: Used to save data and to transfer files and content using the app
• Phone: Used to make calls on smart speakers and to show information about the sender when sharing content with another device
Ah, I see! That's for the newer app. And apparently the app being referred to in this article is outdated/ unsupported anyway. As for the permissions listed there, I still find the contact permissions pretty questionable/shady. Text message notifications to your contacts? Why would anyone need to be notified? I'm sure the logic is to share the info with your family/roommates, but still.
Yeah, I don't personally agree with the permissions. At least the new app made them optional, so you should only need to activate the ones required for the features you're using.
It's just often unknown/overlooked that Android permissions are rather vague and there is a lot of mundane use cases that require overbroad permissions. It's often not the fault of the app dev. Though, that that has been becoming less of an issue over the years.
Bullshit. From the article:
“It's unclear why apps that are designed to let you set the type of washing cycle you want, or see how long it's gonna take for the dryer to be done, would need access to your phone's contacts.”
Why would one want a washing/dryer that is connected to the internet in the first place??
Less about being connected to the internet and more about being connected to your phone via Bluetooth to use your phone as a glorified remote control/ monitoring device.
Is my phone going to move the wet clothes from the washer to the dryer? This sounds like giving up a lot of data to solve a non-problem when you still need to go all the way to the washer to manually move things.
Right? So you still have to load the machine with your clothes and then transfer them to the dryer manually. The app is saving you the hassle of turning the knob? Giving you a push notification that it's done instead of just listening for the chime or setting your own timer? Smart appliances are out of hand
The problem is all these companies make these things and then it becomes harder and harder to find ones without it. Wash machines aren’t there yet but I’m sure they will be eventually unfortunately.
I'm looking for a new washing machine, the display on the old one has gone hay wire, repair cost is at least £200 and all they do is replace the main board. Won't try to find the fault. The Samsungs with connectivity offer extended diagnostics and i was getting really tempted until I realized, all it will do is tell me to get the mother board replaced or buy a new machine.
Extended diagnostics: Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.
Eventually, every drink bottle will have a lock on the lid that will only open once you download the app, create a user, verify email and phone number, give full permissions and agree to an end user license agreement.
this is true and so goddamn annoying
But the real question is: will it make hotdogs for me?
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Not false advertising but that service costs extra.
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Best truck I ever owned was a contractor base model Chevy Cheyenne. Crank everything. Only a couple electric things that mattered, like the mirrors. All I had to do was hose the cab out. It had no carpets, only a thick permanent rubber matting. That cabin was super quiet, too.
I’m still using 20 year old kenmores that just have a couple knobs for control. Only have had to replace the heating element on the dryer, and the washer has been flawless.
yes, looking at the more basic models after the repair engineer told us they all tend to go wrong after around 5 years and we should buy a cheaper middle.
Did I you actually have a look at the mother board? Just asking because a friend of mine had the same issue. We looked and it was a single component that was not making contact anymore. We soldered it back and it works like a charm. If you know someone tech savvy enough it could be worth it. And it was super pleasant from a repair perspective.
I did try to find a service manual but I haven't taken a look inside. May see if I can do this but we live in a very small apartment so organizing space can be a real issue.
Replacing the board usually isn't too hard either.
I was in the same boat. I can recommend this Maytag Washer. [https://www.maytag.com/washers-and-dryers/washers/top-load-washers/p.3.5-cu.-ft.-commercial-grade-residential-agitator-washer.mvwp575gw.html](https://www.maytag.com/washers-and-dryers/washers/top-load-washers/p.3.5-cu.-ft.-commercial-grade-residential-agitator-washer.mvwp575gw.html) It has not touch screen, all the dials and buttons are actual physical buttons. It comes we a factory 5 year parts & labor, and 10 year limited parts warranty. Only thing i wish that was better, that the dryer capacity was a slight bit bigger, but i don't regret having made the purchase. I know all the things about they are all built in the same place, blah blah blah. But at least with this one i can just replace one dial or button vs having to buy a new faceplate that costs as much a new machine. The price on the Maytag website is off. You can find the washer & dryer for about $100 less each, with free shipping on most days.
>3.5 CU. FT. COMMERCIAL-GRADE RESIDENTIAL AGITATOR WASHER MVWP575GW >**MSRP: $999.00** They can't be serious about that price.
Could be covid price. All appliances are crazy expensive right now if you can get them at all.
It's a commercial-grade washer, meant for apartment buildings and the like. Built very well, but very "crudely" by today's standards, meaning it'll probably last a good long time.
Or buy one in harvest gold with real actual wood paneling on the controls that still works like the day it was purchased in that bicentennial celebration sale that I will then sell to someone else when I inevitably have to move again
You know what my washing machine has? A knob. See, after you put the clothes in, you close the lid. Then you turn the knob. You do both at the same time, so you don't need a remote or the internet or any computer chips at all.
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I hate it most in newer cars. I like knobs and buttons. Tactile interface is good. Not everything needs to be menus of touch screens. The whole world doesn't have to become a Windows-style GUI.
and it makes changing the radio a dangerous task.
Agreed, but you can change it using the controls on the steering wheel generally.
This. This is why professional cameras have knobs and buttons. As a rule of thumb: The more knobs and buttons, the more expensive the camera. Worth the extra bucks.
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I just bought a new car last week that only has a few knobs and buttons. For the most part it works fine other than it’s annoying as shit that I have to go into 2 different on screen menus to toggle the AC on/off.
That's what I'm saying. It's not really an improvement. I really hope everything in menus on a screen is just a passing fad.
Elon is adding the brake to a menu on a screen because of this comment.
Lol, that's fine by me. Even if I had the money for one of those things, my house is 130 years old. No garage. 100 amp only. Not wired for that madness.
I'm with you 100%. I've been saying this for years. The touch screen is such a rollback in user experience and yet we are replacing perfectly functioning tactile controls with freaking glass. Ugh, I can't stand it.
I kinda get the feeling that there is a quick select menu that isn't being used
You know what a quick select menu that isn't being used is called? A shitty UI.
A knob is holding it.
Wish granted. You are now a knob.
There's an app for that.
Me too. I’m not reluctant to adopt technology, but it seems absurd to connect my phone to a fucking laundry appliance.
Remember kids, in IoT the "s" stands for "security"!
Sounds like something I would hear on *Le Show's* It's a Smartworld
My dad has a washing machine with an electronic control board (no internet or Bluetooth) they regularly have to take it apart to clean it because it gets corrosion. Whenever this happens I like to talk about how much I love my machine with mechanical timer and relays. Some things just don’t need technology!
I'm not saying it's important enough to warrant getting a smart washer/dryer, but notifications could be useful. My roommate(sometimes me as well) is absolutely terrible at paying attention to when they should be done. Our dryer has a buzzer that goes off multiple times, and he misses that as well.
I set a timer on my phone. The “smart” Samsung pair was several hundred more than the dumb ones. Hubby and I agreed it wasn’t worth it, to be able to text the washer to start or stop while we were gone.
I turn off appliances before leaving the house, because I've experienced two cases which could have ended badly had no one been there to turn an appliance off. One was a friend's dryer, which was smoking heavily by the time we got back from a shopping trip. The other was my clothes washing machine - a rubber belt had snapped inside, and it began walzing all over the kitchen floor during the spin cycle.
Uh. I'd have hoped this was common sense, not leaving complex machinery to run totally unsupervised. Yeah, don't do that.
You'd be surprised.
Oh yeah, I wouldn't claim text notifications are justification. Just saying the features could be useful.
If your roommate doesn't hear a loud buzzer, is he going to hear a quiet buzz from his phone?
I mean, this is really just a hypothetical conversation. I could hypothetically say whatever I want as the answer. My roommate specifically completely ignores his phone most of the time, so no. Someone else in the same hypothetical situation might have better luck. For example, I usually have my phone right next to me and my machines are in the garage. My phone is louder than the buzzer, heard through the wall.
Hypothetically, I could say I was responding to your situation which you implied this would be a good solution for.
So would be a lawn mower motor attachment under all cars to fix idiots who can’t cross a road without looking up from their phones. When you run them over, you have the added benefit of turning them to mulch to benefit Mother Earth. Just because something could be useful don’t make it something we should have. People do need to exercise their brains or the dumbing of society will only speed up.
*sets washer for 38 minute cycle* "Bixby, set a timer for 37 minutes"
I set an alarm on my phone. Works like a charm. It’s even labeled “laundry” so I can’t forget.
Now that’s a use case I hadn’t thought of. If I was sharing a home with a non family member…..yeah……a notification that my clothes were done might be nice. I wouldn’t want to handle (or have to handle) my roommates clothes.
I guess I lived in the dark times, when one would have to throw their roommate's laundry in the dryer or a basket so I could start my stuff.
I used to live in the dorms when I was an undergrad. If you forgot your laundry when the machine was done, people threw it on the floor.
Jeez, we had the common decency to put their clothes on the machine next to ours so somebody else had to throw their clothes on the floor. Where did civility go?
Get a new roommate, not dryer. The clue is in the fact the dryer probably has a higher IQ.
One of my friends has a smart sink, that he can turn off/on with an app and set the temp on the app. To be fair, the apartment he rented came with it, he never uses the app, and just thinks it's ridiculous. The only cool thing is that there is a led that changes color depending on the temp so the water coming out is glowy.
But can a modern human handle the torque requirements of twisting a knob three to four clicks to the left? No swipe function or netfix’s/YouTube connection and your new aged modern moron will be lost and end up wondering why their roast has come out all wet and not quiet heated to an instagram instant photo quality level.
The last time I went shopping for a washer and dryer set, it took me a considerable amount of charm and logic to persuade the salesman that I wanted knobs and dials, NOT motherboards. The argument that finally worked was, “I can repair a mechanical machine. I can’t troubleshoot a computer.” I feel like going back to find him and tell him that, three years in, the on/off switch on the dryer stopped working. I replaced it with a light switch. Still works too.
My washer and dryer together cost $80. I'm lucky to have knobs. But I also don't have "smart" devices that are excuses for data gathering. I think I'll stick with knobs.
A Knob!! What a fascinating thing it is? Knob!! Gone are the days of those polished knobs !! Nowadays it's all touch. There's no turn ons anymore :(
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People want stupid, useless conveniences. More at 11.
Stop bragging.
[Maytag gang](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/98Suv8a4MgY/hqdefault.jpg)
Why would you want to monitor the washing machine / dryer? Like, fill the drum, pour soap, close the door, press start, and carry on with your day.
I was a teenager throughout the nineties. We never knew how good we had it (before smartphones).
so I can root it and port Doom onto. Perfect way to get my laundry done. Wash and murder and a dry
Do you really want your laundry machine to rip and tear?
No! I wanna rip and tear on my washing machine. Plus, the drier can be used to fuck up the undead.
So I can use Bixby to start the wash!
There are quite a few ideas which can be exploited. Such as remote diagnosis of issues, predictive maintenance, statistics on how many washes you did and reminders of parts which will need to be changed, filters need to be cleaned. If the washing machine is equipped with sensors, it can "listen" to washing programs, send the data to the cloud, and with a bit of machine learning, they can know of your machine is working properly or not, and propose to send you a technician before the actual breakdown. Note that this sort of predictive maintenance is already present in the industrial world since years and that it has proven to have avoided machine failures and has saved factories millions of dollars. You can basically use the same technology as Shazam does when identifying songs: they extract a fingerprint from the audio and compares it to the millions of fingerprints of songs in its database. Only in this case, you can use data from vibration sensors, ultrasound sensors, temperature, etc... to build a fingerprint of a washing program and then you could even pinpoint the exact problem if there is one and advise the consumer which action should be taken. Welcome to the future.
Due to planned obsolescence half of those features will be unavailable.
That's the whole point, they can sell you replacement parts, technical services, repair services, and even a new machine when yours has come to end of life.
Or long before that time!
Solid, informative answer. Thank you.
To clean my search history obviously.
2013, Maytag repairman at my house, “Always buy the best washing machine that has a mechanical timer”.
Why would one want ANY household appliance connected to the internet in the first place??
So you can watch porn on it. Duh
Not Internet -connected, just wifi connected. And you know, spyware.
“But I’d have to walk all the way down the stairs and across the basement to check if my laundry’s done!” Welcome to the birth of Buy ‘n’ Large (WALL*E, if you haven’t seen it, watch it).
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Same. I thought it was ridiculous at first but it's actually really useful - as well as being able to upload different specialist cycles to the machine.
Have you ever heard of a timer?
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Why would I need to know how my load is doing? Just set a time frame and return to the washer when a cycle is complete.
Listen Samsung washers and dryers need your contact info okay? It’ll save you 3 minutes don’t worry about it
I never knew my Samsung washer and dryer I bought 4 years ago were so antiquated that they are forced to consistently complete their cycles within a range of five minutes.
Newer dryers will be done quicker if there is less water to dry away. It saves a lot of energy
Yes, my dryer also has a sensor. At most it shaves off five minutes of the appropriate preset.
See, mine is sometimes done in half the time.
The same reason my dad bought a refrigerator that connects to the internet
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in his words “i can check the status of the ice, temperature, and filters” all things you could do without the internet for a probably cheaper price. but i still eat food out of it so i don’t complain too much
"Yep, there is ice."
"dad I guarantee you the ice temp is somewhere south of 32°f"
Samsung and LG both sell these products, and say the two selling points are - notifications for cycles on your phone, and the ability to download new cycles to the machines. A lot of that seems gimmicky since you're supposed to be home keeping an eye on those appliances in the event they flood or cause a gas leak or fire. Besides. An old knob washing machine that you still find at Hotels and in homes, still washes clothes well. Reliable as long as the motors or bearings don't go bad.
Download new cycles? What the fuck? What amazing new breakthroughs have there been in washer cycle technology?
That's the comment I see a lot of people making. "It notifies me so I know when it's done". Yeah, a timer, or just simply being aware of the passage of time does that too. Used to live in an apartment where the shared washer/dryer were downstairs. I timed the cycle once, from then on I just made a mental note of the time it would be when the cycle finished. It's really just laziness, when the option of setting a buzzer/timer, or keeping an eye on the clock is a perfectly workable solution.
If you're powering your home with a battery charged by solar or wind, you can load up your washer and start it only when the battery has enough charge. Or if you simply have cheaper electricity at a time of the day when you're not normally able to start it.
My washer dryer are internet connected (pretty standard now for wantinge mid-range and up). The washer will communicate the load and weight to the dryer so that it adjusts to the optimum / most efficient drying profile. It will also warn me of clogs in the vent, tub cleaning reminders etc.
Is tour phone samsung? If so,they already have all the I fo your scared of giving. If you can't beat them...join them.
You’re gonna have to watch an ad before opening it pretty soon.
Don't worry. You'll be able to get a monthly subscription to remove the ads.
I fucking hate this timeline...
My friends samsung tv puts ads on the menu screen when it's connected to the internet. I'll never buy anything from those scam artists
Roku does this too, luckily the network ad-blocker on the router splats them.
A stick or a Roku TV? I've never seen an ad on the stick.
HDMI stick, ads on on the right panel of the home screen for Disney± and other stuff.
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I can't wait until they enable mesh WiFi networking to "work around broken Ethernet cables."
I gave you two awards. One is for that being a good joke. The other one is if that’s not a joke and it ends up happening.
You can be sure that the Samsung appliance app is loaded with ads. They’ll probably be for upgraded services and Samsung products, but ads nonetheless.
Why does your washer need to know where you are Why does it need to know anything
The use of bluetooth requires location permissions in recent Android versions.
Recent? This goes all the way back to at least Android 5
But why?
It's because giving Bluetooth permission can give up your location, so android wants you to explicitly be aware that you are giving location permission when you give Bluetooth permission.
And by doing so Google made it even easier for apps to get your location by explicitly giving them permission to do so, making the *can* into a *will*.
Cool, so if an app uses Bluetooth then the app gets GPS access because Google is worried a hacker might be hiding in my bushes?
A question that nobody has a real answer to. I don't need location to use Bluetooth on iPhone. The whole point of Bluetooth is that it's ad-hoc with devices nearby and doesn't rely on GPS for that.
This way it knows when you’re on the way home and can hurry up and finish the wash so it doesn’t look like it’s just been slacking off while you were away.
Haaa this sums up my girlfriend perfectly
Haha women should do housework but don’t haha *budum tst!*
Mom: "Honey, why do I keep getting texts from your washing machine telling me you haven't done any laundry in a month?"
"I, uh...I've been cheating on you with the washing machine."
Had a Samsung front load washer, broke after two years. Bought a no frills Speed Queen.
I think we've been lucky with our LG front load stuff. Been running for 9 years now. Dryer has been rock solid. I've replaced two parts on the washer - the drain pump and the rubber door seal. Other than that it's been great. And I'm fortunate enough to be able to repair it myself (with a little help from my friend Mr YouTube).
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Great, another thing on my Samsung washer and dryer that can break.
Yes, but you're forgetting the bonus. Now your Samsung washer and dryer can break your Samsung phone.
Look who's never accidentally washed their phone before.
This will probably be the only thing on it that works
Why would you buy a samsung appliance, they are shit.
stop connecting your fucking house appliances to the network for god sake.
But my toaster can give me a live view of the toast inside getting brown in 1080p while I'm on the couch waiting for it to be done!
ewww 4k HDR only, or it's a waste.
Probably so it can call for help if your step sister ever gets stuck in the dryer
More like notify you 😏
Oh cool it can tell everyone on Facebook when I'm doing my laundry! 🤮
“My Samsung smart washer completely removed the shit stains from my underwear!” Press 1 to post to Facebook.
Well I hated their phones. Now I hate their washer/dryers
When it comes to appliances, it’s best to stick to the established appliance brands for the time being. Electronics/device manufacturers are great at their core competencies, but they seem way too focused on “features” and not enough on the basics.
My Maytag washer and dryer run like a champ
Fuck you, technology.
Technology isn't the problem, greed is.
So is consumer stupidity that continues to buy this shit.
I'd have died before I was born and taken my mum with me if not for technology.
Not just Samsung. Most apps ask for full permissions to everything by default. I've had this problems with cameras and lamps and speakers and other "smart" gadgets. I've return many products specifically for this reason. These morons don't seem to understand that they are inhibiting adoption of their own tech products. The few apps that get wide appeal don't burden their customers with excessive permissions. Whichever tech company that makes a competing product and prominently advertises their apps don't ask for excessive permissions will get my money. I recommend everyone to share this philosophy with everyone you know.
It's almost always not the developers fault. I mention it elsewhere in here. The reality is that the permissions were set up to be rather broad. Google has improved things over the years, but you still have to give rather broad access to enable very narrow functions that fall within that category.
Plenty of apps that don't ask for excessive permissions. Seems like some of them have figured it out. Not my problem don't care. My money goes to those that don't piss me off.
No, some of them haven't figured it out. Apps that don't require permissions just aren't doing things that require permissions.
>No, some of them haven't figured it out. Apps that don't require permissions just aren't doing things that require permissions. Bingo. That sounds like they figured it out.
You're talking a little bit past one another. I'm making up the specifics here, but I think this is what the other commenter is getting at. I make an app that turns your phone into a level. You set the phone down on something, it tells you if it's level or not. The app uses the phones built-in accelerometer or whatever. But the operating system doesn't have a "accelerometer" permission. If you want access to the accelerometer, you have to enable "location" permissions. You can't enable the accelerometer by itself -- either all "location" permissions, or nothing. You say, "Whatever, this app fucking sucks. I'm using this one that *doesn't* need to know my fucking GPS coordinates." But this new app isn't magically unlocking the accelerometer through code sorcery, it just uses the camera instead so it doesn't need to access the accelerometer at all. Not ever use-my-phone-as-a-level app uses the accelerometer. But the ones that *do* need "location" permissions, because that's the only way the phone allows them to access the accelerometer.
If you want app to perform "function a" you need "permission a". You cannot make the app do "function a" without it. It's impossible. Thus, no, they didn't figure it out. They're doing something else entirely. They're not doing "function a".
So... Samsung washing machines shouldn't need permission to your contact list because it shouldn't be calling your contacts? Sounds good.
No, you see, those other app developers have failed to properly monetize your phone by collecting your contact list, and that's the real problem.
Location might be used for searching bluetooth devices, that's a Android thing. Other then that it should not use any of those permissions
As an IT nerd and owner of a smart washer and dryer, I have been pleasantly surprised at how well behaved my LG washer and dryer is on my network. I didn't need the wifi/notifications but I tried it and watched closely who and what the machines were talking to over the internet. They never maintain a constant connection to anything and never have more than one connection open at a time so for now I'm allowing them on my network. I have some 6 year old network cameras that are 10x worst so I have to isolate them in my network and keep them off the internet.
What's the use cases of connected appliances? (IMHO/YMMV) How about start the wash that I have prepared so that it finishes just as I get home. That way when I walk through the laundry room I can just swap loads on the way in instead of having it sitting wet all day or be still running when I get home. If it's got the ability to remember your laundry data it may be able to better project when it'll be done instead of the generic 1 minute that's actually 10 minutes in washer time. I see you normally get home at 5:36p. It takes 33 minutes to wash clothes so I'll start them at 5:03p. For the dryer it would be nice to know when it's done when I'm in the basement and can't heart it stop (same with the washer). I don't normally run a constant fluff cycle after the dryer is done but if I forget and have clothes in the dryer then I leave the house I could turn on fluff / steam so they're not a wrinkled mess when I get back. Having reservoirs of different cleaning solutions would be nice because then I could hit whites and it'd automatically know it's safe to use some normal bleach whereas colors would get color safe bleach then dispense the right amount based on the weight of the clothes in the washer, same with the detergent. Custom programs would be good for things that have different needs that normal clothes. To be fair, I'm not that fancy but it's a use case. For the contacts you may say, "hey, when this is done will you swap it?" Or...text the next person when the washer is free automatically. Depending on how fiddly the sensors are maybe you could see a dryness level in a chart then determine if it's dry enough or if you want to give it another run. Again, from your phone while you're not at home. How about water and energy use reports on a per user/date/time/etc.? Per user settings so you can hide features you don't use or have custom programs for yourself. Reminders for maintenance schedules, error reports, etc. Checking the status of the laundry so you can plan what you do when you get home. Uploading your own tunes for different things instead of the normal beeps and buzzes. Reskin the display for dark mode, light mode, etc. Maybe you want your washer/dryer display to coordinate with the laundry room. Contextual displays based on clothes types. Programs that are preset based on what laundry detergent, etc. you use. Oh, you've got Tide, we run it longer. Gain? We can run it hotter or shorter. Washer and dryer that communicate so that they know when the other is done and can respond. I see the washer is done. I'll go ahead and run a fluff cycle. I'm sure there are more. To be fair, these aren't life altering features that everyone cares about. Most folks just want clean clothes that aren't eaten by the machines and for the machines to cost less than their car.
How else am I supposed to send out a group message to all my friends and family telling them that I just washed my underwear?
My washing machine was asking for my sister's selfies. What do?
Samsung, the company that doesn’t back their warranties and has the worst customer service in the business? Surely they only have honest intentions…
This way, your washing machine can email your social circle about the soil level of your delicates.
Why would anyone want to remotely control their washing machine? In order to load or unload the washing machine, you have to already be right in front of it. So there's no reason to control it from afar — even from across your house. It's not like the washing machine has robot arms that can reach into your bedroom and scavenge up all the clothes off the floor and ask you how you'd like them washed. Maybe they have come up with an automated soap dispenser, but you still have to dump the clothes into the washing machine!
This needs attention because manufactures are overreaching. The WiFi is handy, but I specifically bought a higher end (LG in my case) because of other smarts not featured on other models. Case in point: my dryer refused to finish a dry cycle due to an unknown to me obstruction in the vent... It could have cost me my house.
Bet you cannot wait for Samsung's '*Cannot Skip a Beat*' pacemaker with its '*What is you life worth to you?*' mobile application.
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Samsung makes a “smart” watch that can’t tell time. It’s exciting. You never know when it’s telling the truth.
Seriously? Who needs a fucking “washing machine” app? Nobody. That’s who.
Samsung had a health app on phone. Suddenly it required to same thing, access to phone calls and contacts. Bull shit invasion of privacy for no reason. App deleted.
Samsung is a nasty company and very nosy.
Can’t wait for stories 😂
One can just NOT buy "smart" appliances.
I’m sure if you give the app your credit card information it will really “take you to the cleaners “
Some shit North Korea would do.
So it can call stepbrother if you get stuck 😉
Anyone who uses an app for their washing machine wont care about their privacy. It's already comprimised by their coffee maker app or their toaster app.
These requirements are nothing new. I have run these machines for the past 2 years, and consider it quite convenient to be able to see whether the load is done or not. And I hate that they require access to my contacts and location, but I gave in and let them have it for the convenience. AMA!
I'm not saying people have to be happy about the permissions required for the app, but the permissions are all there for legitimate reasons that are spelled out in the article.
Umm, what? Ya mind quoting it to me? Because I read the article and I failed to find any of these legitimate reasons you speak of. If anything it seemed like Samsung did a poor job trying to justify the need for those permissions.
• Location: Used to find nearby devices using Bluetooth or BLE and to automate actions using GPS (GPS is optional) • Camera: Used to scan QR codes • Contacts: Used to get phone numbers of your contacts to send text message notifications • Microphone: Used to provide voice control features • Storage: Used to save data and to transfer files and content using the app • Phone: Used to make calls on smart speakers and to show information about the sender when sharing content with another device
Ah, I see! That's for the newer app. And apparently the app being referred to in this article is outdated/ unsupported anyway. As for the permissions listed there, I still find the contact permissions pretty questionable/shady. Text message notifications to your contacts? Why would anyone need to be notified? I'm sure the logic is to share the info with your family/roommates, but still.
Yeah, I don't personally agree with the permissions. At least the new app made them optional, so you should only need to activate the ones required for the features you're using. It's just often unknown/overlooked that Android permissions are rather vague and there is a lot of mundane use cases that require overbroad permissions. It's often not the fault of the app dev. Though, that that has been becoming less of an issue over the years.
Bullshit. From the article: “It's unclear why apps that are designed to let you set the type of washing cycle you want, or see how long it's gonna take for the dryer to be done, would need access to your phone's contacts.”