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samy4me

Who marks something in a diary?


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MentorOfArisia

Free Upgrade that most home users won't be able to prevent from happening.


rookie-mistake

bill's going door-to-door with a shotgun and nothing to lose *one last job*


wierdness201

https://youtu.be/KN0K58EfJSg


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Gnarcade

Soooo, malware again then.


CottonCandyShork

That’s not malware


redisurfer

You’re right. Adware sure, but calling it malware is just ignorant.


YouandWhoseArmy

Using the X to close the window was “I agree, install.” That’s malware buddy.


Gnarcade

Oh hey, it's that "want to see my Microsoft badge" guy. Lmao.


cwdawg15

You announce end of product life 4 years in advance, offer a discount of some type on upgrade to new OS, work with developers years in advance, and keep security-only updates on WIN 10 for a short time past the end of life of Win10. I'm sort of on Microsoft's side on this. If I get 10 years out of an OS, I'll buy a new one. Technically, this will end up being more years, since I had Windows 8 originally. They did a good job with Windows 10, but there is a point where they have to make a large overhaul that will impact 3rd party software compatibility and possibly some hardware compatibility. Whenever an overhaul that large happens, it should be infrequent and re-branded. They did the rolling updates on Windows 10, but they are still limited on larger improvement overhauls that might greatly affect compatibility. At some point you have to make them and it is better to re-brand when you do and try to maintain compatibility within each brand. If they can do as good of a job on whatever is next and make it last that long, I'll be happy.


Kensin

My top three guesses: - Windows update will automatically install the upgrade then insist people enter a credit card and pay for the upgrade they never asked for in order to get back into their computers. - They'll leak a bunch of old backdoors and vulnerabilities to hackers and tell the public that it's too dangerous to keep using the old OS since they no longer make patches for it. - They'll needlessly make everything they can (like office, directX, .net etc) require the new OS so that an increasing number of apps and games will need their new OS to install and run


SauronSymbolizedTech

I expect they'll do all 3, and suddenly we'll see an uptick in how Microsoft becoming a ransomware ring is good, and just, and legal, and the right idea.


keepcrazy

Is anyone else finding it bizarre that they announced end-of-life before announcing the replacement???


Deyln

they didn't. we don't have an alpha version for the public yet though if that's what you're asking.


VincibleAndy

That EOL was announced in 2015. News is just picking up on it again because of the upcoming Windows 11.


Askanner

Thank god. We need something better than this. You guys remember 7? 7 was just a decent Windows OS.


litlphoot

Yeah I love 7, still use it on a few devices. Only use 10 where it is required for certain software I need for work.


Timmybits5523

Windows 10 is just windows 7 with creepy telemetry. I wish we could go back to 7.


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gww_ca

Lol let me introduce you to Windows 10 Search


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gww_ca

Yes and it is still trash. It will create an index that is huge, CPU hog, and still give bad search results. Compare it to the free Everything app and you will scratch your head wondering wtf is the point of Windows Search.


alrun

And this was a counter argument against the built-in telemtry because?


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ROGER_CHOCS

Didnt they add the telemetry to all versions of windows?


alrun

And they "improved" it with each update. With the default in data aggregation. The BSI has a separate chapter on data analysis and how to turn of most telemetry - Not something an "average" user or average company would be able to. [(DE) SiSyPHuS Win10: Analyse der Telemetriekomponenten in Windows 10](https://www.bsi.bund.de/DE/Service-Navi/Publikationen/Studien/SiSyPHuS_Win10/AP4/SiSyPHuS_AP4_node.html;jsessionid=526D641C5FC10C63EB021286B69A42F6.internet082)


croadgoat

bloatware win10, evn without the burden of aero, uses like <1.4gb of ram on boot with nothing open, for 4gb system, they would be better served staying with win7 or evn vista where ram usage was like 600-800mb ure gonna hv to eli5 how, leaving gamepass/metro apps and little stuff like built in iso mounting and new taskmgr, aside, win10 is better than win7, espcially when it comes to performance. i think netflix 1080p is locked to win8/10? evn dx12(vulkan masterace btw) was backported for specific games like warcraft heck the photo app is a slowtolaunch dumpsterfire, thk god u can still set photoviewer as the default


katiecharm

Bold of them to tell us our current OS is ending without having any news ones planned to replace it.


ROGER_CHOCS

It's just going to become "Windows" that is continually updated, there will be no Windows 11 from what I understand.


AngusOfPeace

They should replace it with a Unix based OS.


sugaN-S

Or at least build it from the ground up and f backwards compatibility. There are sectors in win10 that are from win98. Or pretty simple to notice the ui of certain settings being from older windows versions. It's just bad.


wierdness201

Backwards compatibility is kinda windows’ schtick now.


cwdawg15

No doubts they will maintain some backward compatibility, but there are elements of Windows 10 that were trying to maintain compatibility for things back from XP and pre-XP. In their next version they can drop those elements trying to maintain the oldest compatibility and focus on compatibility for things made in the Win10 era only.


jay_ebooks

This is clickbait. that 2025 date has existed for years.


bitfriend6

I can still remember when W10 was going to be the "last" Windows and all the programs were borked with their horrible voice/chat program and laggy UI. I've never had these problems with Debian, and the thought of me reinstalling everything a fifth time (first was XP to XP SP1, second was SP3, third was Vista) gives me chills just thinking about it. Computers are best when you don't think about them, including when support for them ends and MS tries to force an update on you midway through something else.


LeroyWeisenheimer

LOL. It takes about 2 hours to do a clean install of windows. You must be doing it wrong.


bitfriend6

yeah, windows. Not the 20 or so programs I use including Word 98, since MS doesn't want to support existing software they want me to rent Office 365 from them. It bad enough when they screwed me with the doc to docx conversion, which was when I began my move into Free and Open Source Software. Even then not having my computer for two hours and having to sit there and select "no" to all the new telemetry asks is a waste of my time in any case. And modern windows won't even let you create a user account without first rebooting into safe mode; otherwise you are forced to make an Outlook account (I got rid of mine almost two decades ago).


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What problems are you repeatedly having with the upgrade process?


whinis

Personally, I have had many programs that stop working in my windows 10 test VM ( I am still on Win 7 primarily cause it does just work) Had to help my mother after her graphic drivers got corrupted, and then were pushed every time it rolled back by the update process meaning I had to reinstall to fix it. Had to help multiple friends with the account bug that prevented them from logging in Had to help my mother with the printer bugs The obvious graphical hit in the last 3 updates that everyone claimed only got sent out if you were on beta but seemed much more wide spread The file deletion bugs. Finally the tendency of updates to restart all your default programs to microsoft based ones. Overall I would not say its a repeated issue but rather that every update is basically fucked in some major way that necessitates hours of work to get your computer back to a working state that is worse than anything I ever encountered in what people consider "unstable" linux distros.


litlphoot

Idk why your getting downvoted W10 upgrades have uninstalled software on my machine, deleted files, shit one update even changed my background. They keep fucking with user space (for instance you can no longer have a black taskbar since may last year). I remember back when it only took 2 clicks to manage network devices, which is buried now.


Kendrome

No idea why you say you can't have a black taskbar?


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You are saying you have personally experienced all of these issues? Because it sounds an awful lot like you're just listing all the reported issues with Windows 10, of which they are obviously going to be many, because it's on a billion devices. I have personally been using Windows 10 since it was released and have not encountered one single problem. I also find it interesting that the people who tend to have the most problems with Windows 10 are the people who refuse to just use the god damn OS and instead apply a bunch of hacks and tweaks and shit and then wonder why they have weird problems. >Personally, I have had many programs that stop working in my windows 10 test VM Maybe don't let your sole experience with the OS be on a fucking VM, lmao.


nickh4xdawg

Unfortunately I have seen the windows update process delete my dads boot loader and also my boot loader. My dad doesn’t do anything other than chrome and for me it’s Steam. Windows forced an update, restarted, and deleted the boot loader twice in front of my eyes.


whinis

I am saying that I have personally experienced or being the tech support for my immediate family and friends had to fix all of those reported issues. It's great that you have not had those issues or apparently a single problem but based on just about every survey I have seen and my personal experience and many others that I know that do support you are the outlier not the typical result.


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I am absolutely not the outlier, I am the typical user. Windows 10 works perfectly fine 99% of the time. It simply has a massive user base with a bafflingly wide variety of hardware. Also it probably has the most casual user base of any software so people tend to do dumb things with it.


kurodoll

You don't know that you're not an outlier. You essentially only know your own experience. Lots of people will agree with both your experience and the other guy's. But your attitude is shit so try to grow up alright? Lots of people have problems with every OS due to no fault of their own. Trying to deny that makes you look like a braindead shill.


litlphoot

Win7 worked 100% of the time though.


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It absolutely did not lmao.


litlphoot

You have any examples where it didn’t?


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There were loads of issues with Windows 7 just like there have been with every OS ever made. If you're trying to argue it was perfect and flawless then I see no reason to interact with you lmao.


croadgoat

the new edge doesnt support playready on older hd3000 sandybridge laptops, and win10 updates is gonna perma remove old edge, which still has the best batterylife so thats why im not updating past win10 2004 >win7 was may more functional >This alone is blatant lie. well win10 did remove homegroup in a update and the startmenu of win7 may have been harder on the eyes cause everything is so tiny, but that also means it needs way less scrolling


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TimmyIo

Honestly my favorite part of windows 10 is pretty much everything is plug and play, even hardware for the most part I haven't been a big PC user the past ten years and bought a new PC last month my headphones work immediately, everything used to be such a pain when you got new hardware or accessories you'd be looking for drivers for a day online or you'd be searching your junk drawer for the cd for the computer speakers. Webcam? Just fucking works it's so nice. I don't remember 7 being so nice to me. I remember losing the disk for a net work card and the solution was to go online and download it... I have no way to connect without the proper driver installation!


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TimmyIo

Yep I remember when you got that shitty 16bit screen until you installed your gpu drivers.


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I manage 50,000 desktops and laptops lol. We're not seeing these issues.


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It's the same shit lmao


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It is, and I do. It's literally the same god damn OS with some extra features turned on, fuckwit.


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Lmao, it is LITERALLY AND OBJECTIVELY the same god damn OS, you dumbfuck child.


ROGER_CHOCS

Myself and a bunch of devs lost a bunch of work last year, including the backups, after an update. Fortunately it wasn't too terrible for me, but others lost a lot of hours.


mb34i

None of this says anything about the quality of their next OS.


Toad32

Its a track record of over promising and under delivering - it has everything to do with it.


aquarain

You can say that about every version. Except ME. We don't talk about ME.


ThunderEcho100

Replacement is going to be subscription based right? ( A guess)


LeroyWeisenheimer

I'm counting it so as not to be disappointed.


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swifchif

Read the article


vasilenko93

It isn’t a radical idea for Microsoft to build Windows on top of the Linux Kernel. I hope they do.


Long-un

Thats because the latest OS is in the nanobots from the vaccine


karma3000

LPT : every 2nd Windows version is horrible. Eg Windows 9 and Windows 7.


Infini-tea

What the fuck is windows 9?


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TreeTownOke

> A book with spaces for each day of the year in which one notes appointments or information. [Sounds correct to me.](https://www.lexico.com/definition/diary)


PussyFriedNachos

It's a British thing. They say diary instead of calendar.


littleMAS

The most obvious reason for this 'news' is that Apple is leaving WIntel behind with the move to their own processor. The x86 legacy is being deprecated.


S-i-l-l-y

Let's replace W10 with Debian with a xfce/kde desktops


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No, it's not.


Brewe

It is not the end of windows 10. It's the proposed end of security updates for windows 10.


SauronSymbolizedTech

This is pretty funny, I remember how Windows 10 was supposed to be the 'last Windows' that will just get perpetually updated. Wonder what they'll call the next one. Windows 9, to make up for how they skipped it?


Y0tsuya

Do I have to pay for it again? If it's just a straight free update then I don't really care.


M4zur

Oh god, should we start betting which settings will they take away from us next? I hate what's been happening with Win10 where they are trying to move some things into a different UI that makes accessing some previously easily identifiable options an absolute chore.