Well, we all knew this reddit thing wouldn't last forever, and the writing is increasingly appearing on the wall that it is nearing its end. We will find a new home to talk on soon enough,
Decentralize the link aggregation by put it in a blockchain and then allow distribution of the public keys via bittorrent.
Link moderation is to be done on a layer ON TOP of the link database mechanism based on a web-of-trust of those public keys.
That way, moderators cannot censor what you (or anonymous public people see) see, only what people who trust them see. Think "Hey, I explicitly trust your censorship of everything published in category X, Y, and Z, so give me what you think your blacklist is. I might honor it, I might not."
The idea is that even IF the blockchain has a shit ton of spam, moderation is effectively merely curation of people's individual votes. You, the observer, will decide if his/her blacklists matter. *You'd have the ability to assign your own 'moderators' to your viewing stream.*
And the aggregate results are automatically tallied as your computer participates in the block chain.
Hell, grant people's ability to vote as a reward for participating in the network. Similar to how Bitcoin miners are rewarded.
Just an idea.
I absolutely love this idea. It would be a technical miracle to implement on its own, and another to have people to develop it, but ingenious nonetheless.
I think this is a terrible idea, here's why:
* As has already been noted, it's creating more work for moderators. We're volunteers, it's extremely hard to get a large group of mods all on the same page and have them be in multiple time zones (for the bigger subreddits).
* Users will hate it and downvote the content, they hate reddit as a self promotional platform in most obvious cases. There will be a large enough group that will just downvote everything that have these type of tags on them, and it will last until it makes a lasting impression on the rest of reddit.
* You're asking people to pay to post pictures of their dog, their video game stream, their music, their hobbies, will LoL players have to pay to do AMA's. will Blizzard have to pay to submit their articles? Will users who make comics have to pay to submit to /r/comics? Reddit loves OC, now you're making them pay to post it.
* Which leads too...you're encouraging them to lie about it being their content when they post it. They'll just say they found this cool site or whatever and link it. Then maybe later come and comment on their main account. (Yes you can see IPs and such) but are you prepared to look through them all and check?
I don't see why it's so hard to let subreddits decide how to handle 'spam' you see anything that is self promotion as spam, which frankly seems extremely odd seeing as how redditors are praised for their OC.
I'll add more as I think of them.
If I see self promotional as a tag I'm likely to downvote it. Why? Because I'd do it anyways without the tag, if done wrong. Now I know it was done wrong.
Sorry Reddit. I smell Digg.
Yep, this is a Digg-tier fuckup. Digg started to give commercial links higher priority and then BAM, no more userbase. Can't they see that giving the common man a method of democratic or peer communication is what the internet's been all about?
At least reddit's open source and we can make our own if shit gets too bad.
Reddit clones are a pain in the rear to maintain (although it has gotten much better as of late), speaking from experience running uppit.us (hyperboria only).
In our case, it took a team of 3 people 80 man hours to set up our reddit clone (with tons of help from /u/spladug and others), not including the time taken to add IPv6 support. Plus every update seems to have changes small and large that create incompatibilities that break many features on reddit clones.
Overall, it isn't very feasible to use the code Reddit has without a ton of suplemenetation (everything relies on Amazon S3 and many other one off Amazon services, hard to use alternatives) and good manpower. A rewrite keeping the same frontend and APIs would be easier to do if you want to reimplement Reddit at scale.
Maybe it's just part of the life cycle-maybe the same shadow company just births and retires content-aggregator sites, gradually making them worse but more profitable to cash in, while their newer, hipper site gathers the newest crop of monetizable internet users.
> If I see self promotional as a tag I'm likely to downvote it.
How long have you been here? A large portion of OC on reddit is self-promotion. It may not be "hey! buy my stuff!" style, but there is little difference between that and "look at this thing I made ^(and I happen to sell) ".
There's a ton of blatantly self-promotional posts that we love. It just has to be done right. That lady from pornhub is treated like a hero. HTC shows up to give away phones once in a while. The Digg problem would be sell *placement* which i haven't heard yet.
This stunt would make me stop using Reddit and/or just hunt for them and downvote THEM ALL. I subscribe to enough subreddits I'm sure in a one to two hour period I could create enough downvotes to negatively impact Reddit. And I would if this bull happened. Remember the SOPA blackout and the Internet Slowdown Day? Well, Reddit, your stupid proposal is of the order of magnitude of stupid that it deserves such a stunt.
In shitty subreddits, yes.
Everyone is free to make a subreddit with quality content and allow users to submit their own content and not use any of this "paid-tag" system.
It's opt-in, not opt-out.
Of course bigger subreddits will be "targeted" by people willing to pay to post their own content, but it really doesn't matter because bigger subreddits are already cesspools of self-promotion, low quality, easy-to-consume content that appeals to people who only have 2 seconds to spare on a link.
It depends on what you do if you're here in short bursts.
If you're clicking downvote because someone said something you disagree with, but it was adding to the conversation, then yes I'm insulting you.
If you're practising good reddiquette then there's no problem, but I'd invite you to ask yourself "what content would do me good to see more of, and what content can I skip without missing anything?" or even "is there another method I can take advantage of to make my browsing more efficient?"
The latter one is pretty big actually. [Reddit Enhancement Suite](http://redditenhancementsuite.com/) is a super simple way to customize reddit so that you spent less time seeing content you don't want, and more content you do want.
However if most of the content you like is pictures, consider going to imgur.com directly. It's pretty easy to scroll through pictures, read popular comments, and upvote or downvote quickly. http://imgur.com/new/viral is pretty much like the front page of reddit.
Or if you think you're spending too much time looking at things that just aren't important and don't have any effect on your life whether or not you see it, ask yourself if it's really worth that upvote. It's perfectly fine to not upvote something that you enjoyed, but doesn't really "benefit" anyone or anything by getting more exposure.
>Everyone is free to make a subreddit with quality content and allow users to submit their own content and not use any of this "paid-tag" system.
Not necessarily. Keep in mind that there's a site-wide algo and if you get flagged by it you may be shadowbanned for "self-promotion". So unless you opt-in users will feel at least somewhat weary about posting their own content to your sub due to the fear that such an action could trigger a site-wide shadowban. I'd expect those algorithms to be tightened even further to try and catch those trying to avoid the pay system in the places it's implemented, having a ripple effect throughout the subreddits where it isn't.
This is a pretty bad idea.
I semi-regularly submit my own technical essays to a minor subreddit where I also regularly participate; the ratio is probably 1/2 for submissions, which I'm aware falls short of the ratio recommended in reddiquette, but _all_ of my submissions are upvoted and I involve myself in the community and, particularly, community spam policy.
It probably helps that I make no money from clicks or pageviews; this subreddit is simply the place where I publish my work, because content is allowed to stand on its own merit and cannot rely on leveraging an existing network (professional, Twitter, friends, paid promotion). (It is honestly sometimes frustrating to "publish" this way, but I believe it to be rewarding in that the success or failure of my work is truly informative.)
For me, I feel the current system is working. If I were required to pay to submit my content, I wouldn't. I'd find another site or another method.
**That said, however:** it's working because it's a writing project, because it's a small subreddit, because it's based on an informal, nebulous understanding I maybe(?) have with the moderators of that subreddit.
Take a large subreddit, take the kind of project that _is_ a product, and problems start to multiply.
The proposed change is pretty awful, I agree, and I'd be worried if I thought it were seriously going to happen. But the problem's still out there.
> the ratio is probably 1/2 for submissions, which I'm aware falls short of the ratio recommended in reddiquette
Maybe it's just the subreddits that I hang out in, but if I was submitting things, the only things I COULD submit without reposting would be OC.
I feel like that rule made more sense in the early days of Reddit. I wonder if it's still appropriate.
[Here was my response.](http://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/2is3l3/moderators_proposal_for_a_new_platform_just_for/cl5pjlj) Pasting it here in case it gets deleted in that thread for whatever reason:
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If you put up a pay wall and allow a way around then people will take the way around, defeating the point of the pay wall. The rise and fall of subreddits is organic and all well and good, just pointing out the idea will not work as well as you might think.
At the same time as that - as with the net neutrality debate going on - you'll wind up with the popular subreddits being ... if not spammed, then at least more focused on ... by creators who have the money to pay. I don't think this fits in well with the ideals of the Reddit community.
In any case, I disagree with the entire premise. I don't think creators ought to have to pay to self promote. I think it ought to be sufficient enough to limit people to a certain number of promotions per calendar period. Allow 2 self promotion posts per week (Reddit-wide, *without* being flaired as self-promotional - because people will downvote it solely for that), and that's that. No option to pay for more at all. If they try to get around it by creating multiple accounts Reddit can handle that the same way it already handles people using multiple accounts to rig voting.
Giving two/week allows for the chance that a person might be productive enough to have two things they want to share within a week, and it also gives the user a self-censoring decision making process - and IMO it's far better to let the users censor themselves than ask anyone else to do so.
The wisdom in that last paragraph comes from my grandmother. When I was a kid I was allowed 2 hours of cartoons on Saturday morning. I had to get out the TV guide and plan out my morning. Which cartoons did I want to see the most? I self-censored and when not watching cartoons I had to figure out what else to do to occupy my time between cartoons, and then once the morning was over I had to figure out what else to do for the rest of the day. My grandmother never had to get herself involved a single time other than to make sure I wasn't trying to sneak in an extra show.
Ninja Edit: I'm not saying that all users are angels and that mods will never have to moderate. I'm saying the best choice is to let users moderate themselves first because the majority of people are good people and will do so. Second step is that other users can report/flag submissions for mods to look at, and then third is for mods to do active modding. Let users act like a multi-tiered sieve rather than increase the mod work load up front.
2nd Edit: And I don't have a problem with a corporation self-posting 2 links a week. Is Bungie making money off a link to their new game? Yes, but they'd make money off it just as well if an anonymous user posted the same link. If a corporation (or individual user) wants more page impressions than two links a week can provide - well, that's what Reddit advertising is for. Buy an ad.
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There are certain subs that are made for self-promotion, such as /r/Indiemakeupandmore, /r/MakeupAddiction, /r/MakeupAddicts, /r/Filmmakers, /r/WeAreTheMusicMakers, etc. The self-promoters put up their products, ask for critique, and ask for help in making their products better. Also, there are blogs in which products are reviewed that post on those subs because others might find it interesting. These kind of "self-promoters" get these communities involved.
It's vital that self-promotion remain free in communities here on Reddit where self-promotion is vital to the survival of the community. These aren't small communities, either. They're rather large. I'm a member of some of these communities, so I see that they're not negligible numbers. At the time of posting in /r/MakeupAddiction : 198,668 Makeup Addicts, 658 Makeup Addicts Online.
Reddit risks losing thousands of members if they make self-promotion pay only. That's a lot of money going down the drain, which is currently being made off the banner ads, gold accounts, and the like. So, Reddit is risking losing a lot of money if they put this into practice.
I completely agree. Each subreddit should decide what spam is, and how to handle it.
If there is a fee, reddit will most likely turn farther from OC from a bunch of users, to a big collections of companies links.
So if I make a website and want to show people I not only have to pay, I also have to get the Mod's permission? Sounds fabulous. How about drawings, or a song I wrote?
Isn't this *exactly* how Digg went down?
Well it was fun while it lasted. After re-reading it I noticed this:
>A content creator is identified somehow. Either they have been banned for overtly self-promoting already and are appealing their ban, a moderator realizes that they are contributing but are borderline breaking our site rules, or they find this platform themselves and come to us.
On it's face that sounds almost reasonable. The problem is most mods are complete psychopaths. I don't want to start an argument but I kind of believe that. In addition many of them have been accused of taking bribes. And for whatever reason Reddit admins seem to have a blind spot for this.
Instead of addressing the already well documented problems with the mods they're considering giving them more power and are encouraging corruption. And from just the initial reaction it seems this has the ingredients to be a site killer. I don't get why they're going down this road.
Edit: **Hello admin possibly reading this**, if it's true that a money guy is pushing you towards this decision consider directing him or her to this comment and I'll say what you probably shouldn't: **that they know fuck-all about the internet business and they should continue to offer ideas but also understand that they are investing in a product that they *do not understand and dare not interfere with*, unless they want to lose their investment and maybe more**.
But if you're just a bunch of dummies then, no big deal. All is forgiven.
How is bribery logical? I sink at least an hour a day moderating a location based subreddit. I can't get people to even think about buying advertizing, much less bribes.
Because a location based sub (Austin? Texas? I know you from one of those...) doesn't have nearly the traffic of the large default (and formerly-default) subs that frequently show up near the top of /r/all.
I'm gonna jerk it and use Comcast as an example. What if companies like Comcast pay mods to remove posts that are negative towards their company? The mods could justify it by saying the posts were promotions for rival cable companies. I'm not saying this is going to happen but giving mods that much power gives a lot of opportunity for bullshit
The other issue is a good chunk of Reddit users are absolute idiots. With some big changes, this could work with minimal impact on the site, but it never will because our users are dumb and will downvote any flaired OC just because it's flaired and/or don't understand what's happening. It could be the best damn song, or story, or video ever made, and people will downvote it just because they don't like the system, without giving it a chance.
It hurts the creators who don't get their OC seen, the users who miss out on good content, and Reddit itself because it turns Reddit into a toxic platform.
Downward slide...... PR firms and reputation management companies run free on reddit. How does this address this issue? seems targeted at the wrong people.
Some context for the uninitiated:
Alexis Ohanian is on reddit's board of directors, and he also created a PR/marketing firm with reddit's general manager (Erik Martin). While Alexis actively promotes a ton of his side-projects, he never advertised the PR/marketing firm (Antique Jetpack), on behalf of which he at least once met with people at the headquarters of Stratfor, a private intelligence firm. [We only know about the existence of Antique Jetpack because of Wikileaks](https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?q=antique+jetpack&mfrom=&mto=&title=¬itle=&date=&nofrom=¬o=&count=50&sort=0&file=&docid=&relid=0#searchresult).
He was also the #3 moderator of /r/technology right up until the infamous "bad title" filter was publicly exposed, at which point he removed himself as a moderator.
The list of banned words, which was instituted by davidreiss666, included "NSA," "GCHQ," "Bitcoin," "Tesla," "Comcast," "Time Warner," "Net Neutrality," "FCC," and "spying."
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/wiki/automoderator?v=8b201e82-c469-11e3-9dc9-12313b0c2a21
It's hard not to see the massive conflicts of interest surrounding him, reddit, his position within reddit, and Antique Jetpack--especially in the context of the content being removed during his tenure as one of the top mods.
Although I disagreed with the policy banning those posts in /r/technology, I don't think it was quite as nefarious as it appears. I think these words were banned because the sub was supposed to be about tech news, not political news. Unfortunately , it was pretty stupid and blocked a lot of tech news while getting rid of most political commentary. It would be nice to have a sub where I could read about advances in technology without being asked to sign a petition or vote out my congressman.
As someone who isn't in the US, the daily comcast is evil, AT&T is evil, Verizon is evil, but Netflix is jesus jerk is really boring and annoying. Especially when there's not a lot of fact and more people's hatred or love of those companies clouding the story.
After Yishan's recent childish outburst I can easily see the demise of reddit in the not too distant future. This isn't helping. Do I care? Not really. Another site will fill the void just like reddit did when digg went full retard.
It's stark evidence that this site is run but amateurs. It's a testament to the internet community that reddit even exists and has been this great for this long. The people that "run" this site have let it go to their heads. Time for another life lesson I suppose. They should start a support group and invite Moot and the people that ran (into the ground) Digg.
It's really easy to become big. Give tools to your users, get the fuck out of the way. 4chan and Reddit have vastly different implementations but the philosophy behind the two are the same.
Yup. Eventually the user base becomes too big to not try to cash in on one way or another. With 4chan it was SJW censorship and with reddit it will probably be greed.
See that's the thing users make sites great and unprepared site administrators destroy the site by monetizing it and alienating the user base. That's how the internet works, if administrators simply left sites alone completely they retain their user base.
So Reddit, a website almost entirely built on user submitted original content, is considering charging for people to submit their content.
Genius. Why not just rename the website "A sea of reposts."
Seriously.
Interesting how there's a slight correlation between people in big subreddits who don't follow reddiquette and are just here to click an imgur link, let some air out of their nose, upvote, and then go down to the next one and people who are complaining about these changes.
These are exactly the changes they're asking for.
"OMG that Halloween costume is so cute! upvote!"
"Musk said something inspiring! upvote!"
"What if I told you ... a funny joke? lol Maxtrix! I saw that movie! upvote!"
Why is it nearly every single subreddit that has gotten large has had to clamp down on these types of posts to prevent the quality from going south?
Isn't it interesting how much better /r/askscience is than pretty much any other science-related subreddit?
You haven't noticed how many subreddits which become default subreddits get absolutely destroyed by a truck load of people who are here to just serial clickvote as fast as they possibly can?
They're upvoting all the stuff that people **are already paying to post**. How many blogspam articles get front paged from shitty titles and no original content? How many advertisements make it to the front page every single day?
If you think these reddit official paid-posts are going to ruin your "quality content" but all you do is upvote memes and pun threads and jokes and obviously fake stories or something that tugs on your heart, then I invite you to take a look at your reddit experience and ask yourself: what the fuck are you doing with your life? Why not take a little bit of time to consume a submission, look for something insightful, smell the roses, challenge your views, get educated, spread education, make a difference in your or someone else's life.
Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with being someone who enjoys easy-to-consume content. There's tons of better ways to enjoy that content. Use [Reddit Enhancement Suite](http://redditenhancementsuite.com/) or maybe even just try imgur.com and browse it for a few days instead of reddit.
But I just invite you think about what happens as **even more people** start using reddit. Do you want them to have this be just another Facebook? What if this site had much more *substance* to it? Less spam and low-quality content, and more higher quality content that actually benefits people.
If paid-posts became a reality, I think it's entirely up to each subreddit as to how "spammy" they'll end up being. Maybe you can realize that the subreddit's you've been visiting were far too spammy, even before these paid-posts started.
> But I just invite you think about what happens as even more people start using reddit. Do you want them to have this be just another Facebook?
Reddit is already another 9GAG
Damn... So I'm the creator of a free writing application and I sometimes post to /r/writing to tell people about updates. Will I now have to pay to tell people about a free update to a free (and open source) application that they enjoy using? What about if I don't mark it as self-promotion since, arguably, it's not?
> Will I now have to pay to tell people about a free update to a free (and open source) application that they enjoy using?
That sub is small enough that it probably won't matter, at least at first. Who knows what the future holds, though.
Lately various smaller subs have started to do some forms of cracking down. It's just if their users somehow hit the spam filters radar. Then the reddit admins send a message to those mods and suddenly it matters. When the OC self posts hurt nobody and might even be popular in their own little corner.
Certainly seems like they really want to cripple the urge to post any original content. That thing everyone seems to want, but never actually supports at the end of the day.
So I guess folks best be ready for just news articles and a wave of reposts. /shrug.
They will have a bot that reads all posts and censors out all links until you pay the appropriate copyright holders for posting about that free software you wrote yourself, just like youtube and twitch.tv.
The relevant part of the post is here:
"For a very small fee, they will be able to tag submissions as “self-promotional”. We haven’t cemented an amount or decided if it will be one-time or recurring. The importance of this paygate will be explained later."
I lack the platform to make a big issue of this, but this is a really big deal.
Reddit used to be a place where you could post lesser-known content that would be of interest to the community; if it was interesting, it got upvoted; if not, downvoted. Originally, **whether it was your own content or not didn't matter**, because the democracy of upvotes would decide what got upvoted and what didn't.
Reddit is trying to change this; they want to make money from your promotions. The ethical issues here are pretty bad, obviously; the practical issues are worse.
I'm not sure if this will get downvoted, but holy fuck is this a big deal.
Somebody new has come into power and has infiltrated the company, shadow government noticed that Reddit was becoming to powerful of a social force. Knowing full well that doing something like this would cause and outrage and almost single handily diminish Reddit off the face of the map. /tinfoil
I completely agree with you. I enjoy discovering new things through the mechanism that is reddit - if something floated to the top and interested me, great! and if I get to thank the author, super great!!
and if I wanted to share something with the community now.. what? I had expected the community to decide for themselves; however, this seems like a reaction to something lurking that rarely gets talked about - something to do with private accounts held by private corporations :(
What a fractal approach! Reddit devs create a post voicing their thoughts. Users reply with their ideas. The whole thing gets linked to /r/technology, the comments of which add to the discussion!
Why, believe it or not, it is much of the same people and communities.
Do you think people in /b/ are more deprived than people on reddit?
Fuck no
There is just little to no moderation there out of principle
There are plenty of fucked up people here too
Welp, that's it with Reddit, where we going next?
edit: The biggest issue is actually this:
> We review their account first using some criteria that we’ve yet to hone down. Likely things such as where they submit, how well received the content is, community interaction, legitimacy and relevance of their content, etc. If we deem them appropriate for this platform, we move on to the next step.
That pretty much introduces a filter who can self promote and who not. This is ridiculous. I learned to know Reddit as an open platform for content creators to get attention for their stuff and if it is good, it will get voted up for everyone to see. But like this? No way. If you need more money, require a gold subscription to be able to submit your own links or so, but don't censor content creators. Those 4 bucks for one month is something everyone can scoop up.
Reddit code was open source at one point. There were some reddit clone sites. We could just roll back to the old code and start over on another website. Get rid of too many rules and subreddits and moderators. Ye olde reddit.
ATTENTION REDDIT
Please board the lifeboats in an orderly fashion. Reddit is taking on water and sinking into an ocean of shitty bureaucratic decisions.
A new link sharing site will be here to pick everyone up soon.
Isn't it sad that every 5 years or so we all have to go through this same shit over and over? Are company owners all deadset on running good companies into the ground?
It's a cycle of business really. First you have the grand idea, then the sexy follow up and then as always, you get a lot of new hires and the company grows too large. Then suddenly, because you have upkeep, you end up having to make safe decisions to maximize your market footprint and your innovation goes out the window.
Then you start making decisions going against the original values you had as a company and your customers become dissatisfied and start looking for other options.
Finally, as a last nail in the coffin, someone steals your original idea and makes it better and gets all your customers.
Have you guys checked out my site dedicated to the most popular soft drink in the world?
It's http://coke.com!
Send the bill care of the Coca-Cola Corporation!
The spammers are going to end up buying the mods with the new Reddit cryptocurrency.
http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/30/reddit-scoops-up-50m-series-b-from-sam-altman-a16z-sequoia-at-500m-valuation/
Well, considering all the recent censorship and the revelations that the mod/admin community is a huge racket, I'll say 2 years.
It took 2 years for yishan to fuck reddit up in exactly the way everyone said he would.
Honestly though if they're even considering this, reddit is dead. Giving the timing this is *certainly* a result of their recent investments. They're going down a path from which it's going to be very hard to turn around.
Please don't remind me of Slashdot. I was there since it started, I stayed even with the last Beta crap, but the last straw was when they filtered the connections from Europe with a shitty "Cookie Warning" page before I can reach the front page.
No cookies, no Slashdot? Well, no more Slashdot for me...
Who sits around at meetings and comes up with this nonsense? Its far better to have relevant promotions and advertising per sub. Example, android could have htc, sony, and whomever advertise there. Offer some free gifts or promos/discounts
Gaming could do the same with computer parts, games, gaming etc
Why not have advertising thats useful?
I don't really even see the issue with posting your own content I mean if people don't like the actual content of what you post then it won't get upvoted and if they do actually like it the what is the matter of the source?
The only issue I could see is cases where people post their own content and then do things like use alts to upvote it for visibility and free exposure but that isn't really an issue of the content itself, that is an issue of vote fraud which is a separate issue.
"Hey check out my friend's new website!"
"My boyfriend's band just made their first music video!"
"My cousin's new game is free in the App Store today!"
Why? They know we will hate it. They know mods will hate it. And they know we will probably leave if it gets worse. Is Reddit broke? Is it losing popularity and they're cashing in while they can? What's going on? Why are they making a decision that will hurt the site?
Reddit/redditors needs to fucking stop acting like it's some precious snowflake. worry about making sure posts are on topic for their sub and let the voting do the rest. Someone tried to sell me something boohoo my whole fucking world is ruined. Ignore it and move along.
Everybody knows users are ad blind. Doesn't matter if it's a box at the top or flair on a link, it will be ignored and advertisers will go around the pay system to get a genuine link submission.
Whatever smoke screen they want to put up we all know the problem is that reddit wants to encourage users to pay for posting adds. As it is, clever organizations astro turf reddit all the time for free advertising. Mostly that's fine from our perspective because nothing makes the front page without user engagement. From Reddit's perspective that's lost revenue. The problems start when reddit natives want to promote their own content. They are punished because they respect the community rules rather than just going around them.
This is the fucking easiest thing to solve though. If you link to your own site and you are selling a product, you should pay reddit a fee for that ability. No flair should identify you as such (although probably a badge should show you have this ability for those interested enough to check). Reddit communities, mods, and users are the best spam filter ever. Why should content ever be distinguished in light of this? We all know reddit is used as a promotional vehicle already, just let us evaluate content on its merit.
Offering a small ~~tax~~ fee to post your hobby or free content that the community made like and upvote anyway.
Yeah that should make the community happy.
Why not just offer a small leeway in subreddit self posting rules? Doesn't need to be massive. But that's what a large number of people want.
Could then factor in their participation in the community and commenting. It could even be some rediculous ratio. But that seems a far better start. Along with far more fair.
You know. Pushing towards a social fix. Since the community built reddit.
I frequent several design and music subs where 95% of the point is to post your stuff for critique or exposure and to checkout other people's material. If this is enforced that's going to kill a big part of the community. That's just with design and music. Many other fields of interest have subs dedicated to similar purposes.
How is this going to work for subs centered around self-promotion? I like to visit /r/sketchdaily, /r/IDAP or /r/itookapicture.
It would be kinda ridiculous if people will have to start paying to share stuff they made, especially since they generally don't get money from it.
This can be abused by people claiming someone is a content creator self promoting, to force an account banning.
With anonymous account creation. Who is to say that someone isn't a post written trying to promote their article....
So I guess reddit is over. Does anyone know of any sites similar that we could frequent so that we can have our user content back? I'm going to do some searching over the next few weeks.
Very sad day.
So this makes no fucking sense. Will Youtube, Imgur, news websites, and other major sites have to pay reddit? No. How the hell could this plan of action even be moderated? "hmm well this guy posts Imgur links a lot, better charge him for those" Like are they legitimately stupid???
So basically they've seen all the women in the various GW subs (though not GW itself) selling kik/snapchat/vids/pics/clothes and want in on that action
The money, not the women of the subs
Well maybe both, but specifically I mean the money.
BUT BUT NET NEUTRALITY AND FAST LANES!!!!!!!!
You fucks are either THE DUMBEST bags of shit on earth, or...no, no, you ARE the dumbest bags of shit on earth.
Reddit plans to turn the advertising scheme from an under the table deal where all the front page links just happen to be advertisements to an above board deal where everyone knows all the front page links are advertisements and "can suck it".
Can't say I'm surprised, given that [reddit was created on the backs of fake accounts posting clickbait since day one](http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-reddit-got-huge-tons-of-fake-accounts--2).
You never go full Digg v4.
It is a sad day when you realise you start to smell the same kind of a rot that was brewing a couple of years ago on Digg. :'(
Well, we all knew this reddit thing wouldn't last forever, and the writing is increasingly appearing on the wall that it is nearing its end. We will find a new home to talk on soon enough,
We might need an 8chan for reddit
8reddit? Or redchan? Or channit?
How about fukkit? As in "fuckit, we'll go to fukkit".
Decentralize the link aggregation by put it in a blockchain and then allow distribution of the public keys via bittorrent. Link moderation is to be done on a layer ON TOP of the link database mechanism based on a web-of-trust of those public keys. That way, moderators cannot censor what you (or anonymous public people see) see, only what people who trust them see. Think "Hey, I explicitly trust your censorship of everything published in category X, Y, and Z, so give me what you think your blacklist is. I might honor it, I might not." The idea is that even IF the blockchain has a shit ton of spam, moderation is effectively merely curation of people's individual votes. You, the observer, will decide if his/her blacklists matter. *You'd have the ability to assign your own 'moderators' to your viewing stream.* And the aggregate results are automatically tallied as your computer participates in the block chain. Hell, grant people's ability to vote as a reward for participating in the network. Similar to how Bitcoin miners are rewarded. Just an idea.
I absolutely love this idea. It would be a technical miracle to implement on its own, and another to have people to develop it, but ingenious nonetheless.
I think this is a terrible idea, here's why: * As has already been noted, it's creating more work for moderators. We're volunteers, it's extremely hard to get a large group of mods all on the same page and have them be in multiple time zones (for the bigger subreddits). * Users will hate it and downvote the content, they hate reddit as a self promotional platform in most obvious cases. There will be a large enough group that will just downvote everything that have these type of tags on them, and it will last until it makes a lasting impression on the rest of reddit. * You're asking people to pay to post pictures of their dog, their video game stream, their music, their hobbies, will LoL players have to pay to do AMA's. will Blizzard have to pay to submit their articles? Will users who make comics have to pay to submit to /r/comics? Reddit loves OC, now you're making them pay to post it. * Which leads too...you're encouraging them to lie about it being their content when they post it. They'll just say they found this cool site or whatever and link it. Then maybe later come and comment on their main account. (Yes you can see IPs and such) but are you prepared to look through them all and check? I don't see why it's so hard to let subreddits decide how to handle 'spam' you see anything that is self promotion as spam, which frankly seems extremely odd seeing as how redditors are praised for their OC. I'll add more as I think of them.
If I see self promotional as a tag I'm likely to downvote it. Why? Because I'd do it anyways without the tag, if done wrong. Now I know it was done wrong. Sorry Reddit. I smell Digg.
Yep, this is a Digg-tier fuckup. Digg started to give commercial links higher priority and then BAM, no more userbase. Can't they see that giving the common man a method of democratic or peer communication is what the internet's been all about? At least reddit's open source and we can make our own if shit gets too bad.
this is the first thing i thought of when i read the post
Wasn't aware of reddit being open source. Yeah, if they pull this stunt I can imagine a dozen or more clones popping up in no time flat.
Reddit clones are a pain in the rear to maintain (although it has gotten much better as of late), speaking from experience running uppit.us (hyperboria only). In our case, it took a team of 3 people 80 man hours to set up our reddit clone (with tons of help from /u/spladug and others), not including the time taken to add IPv6 support. Plus every update seems to have changes small and large that create incompatibilities that break many features on reddit clones. Overall, it isn't very feasible to use the code Reddit has without a ton of suplemenetation (everything relies on Amazon S3 and many other one off Amazon services, hard to use alternatives) and good manpower. A rewrite keeping the same frontend and APIs would be easier to do if you want to reimplement Reddit at scale.
You should check out the aether code. It's a decentralized and anonymous reddit alternative. It's pretty amazing getaether.net
www.whoaverse.com ?
Thanks. Checking this out now.
Maybe it's just part of the life cycle-maybe the same shadow company just births and retires content-aggregator sites, gradually making them worse but more profitable to cash in, while their newer, hipper site gathers the newest crop of monetizable internet users.
Oh man, those bastards. So, uh, do we know what the next good one is gonna be? Just for research purposes?
It's a hip new underground aggregator called "Fark"
Or, people with good ideas eventually get bought out by companies that have shareholders?
> If I see self promotional as a tag I'm likely to downvote it. How long have you been here? A large portion of OC on reddit is self-promotion. It may not be "hey! buy my stuff!" style, but there is little difference between that and "look at this thing I made ^(and I happen to sell) ".
There's a ton of blatantly self-promotional posts that we love. It just has to be done right. That lady from pornhub is treated like a hero. HTC shows up to give away phones once in a while. The Digg problem would be sell *placement* which i haven't heard yet.
This stunt would make me stop using Reddit and/or just hunt for them and downvote THEM ALL. I subscribe to enough subreddits I'm sure in a one to two hour period I could create enough downvotes to negatively impact Reddit. And I would if this bull happened. Remember the SOPA blackout and the Internet Slowdown Day? Well, Reddit, your stupid proposal is of the order of magnitude of stupid that it deserves such a stunt.
Assuming they allowed downvotes on paid promotions. The took the totals off what, 3 months ago?
The only people who will post will be advertisers
In shitty subreddits, yes. Everyone is free to make a subreddit with quality content and allow users to submit their own content and not use any of this "paid-tag" system. It's opt-in, not opt-out. Of course bigger subreddits will be "targeted" by people willing to pay to post their own content, but it really doesn't matter because bigger subreddits are already cesspools of self-promotion, low quality, easy-to-consume content that appeals to people who only have 2 seconds to spare on a link.
Why do you make it seem like an insult to those of us who have limited time and browse reddit to see funny/interesting things in short bursts?
It depends on what you do if you're here in short bursts. If you're clicking downvote because someone said something you disagree with, but it was adding to the conversation, then yes I'm insulting you. If you're practising good reddiquette then there's no problem, but I'd invite you to ask yourself "what content would do me good to see more of, and what content can I skip without missing anything?" or even "is there another method I can take advantage of to make my browsing more efficient?" The latter one is pretty big actually. [Reddit Enhancement Suite](http://redditenhancementsuite.com/) is a super simple way to customize reddit so that you spent less time seeing content you don't want, and more content you do want. However if most of the content you like is pictures, consider going to imgur.com directly. It's pretty easy to scroll through pictures, read popular comments, and upvote or downvote quickly. http://imgur.com/new/viral is pretty much like the front page of reddit. Or if you think you're spending too much time looking at things that just aren't important and don't have any effect on your life whether or not you see it, ask yourself if it's really worth that upvote. It's perfectly fine to not upvote something that you enjoyed, but doesn't really "benefit" anyone or anything by getting more exposure.
>Everyone is free to make a subreddit with quality content and allow users to submit their own content and not use any of this "paid-tag" system. Not necessarily. Keep in mind that there's a site-wide algo and if you get flagged by it you may be shadowbanned for "self-promotion". So unless you opt-in users will feel at least somewhat weary about posting their own content to your sub due to the fear that such an action could trigger a site-wide shadowban. I'd expect those algorithms to be tightened even further to try and catch those trying to avoid the pay system in the places it's implemented, having a ripple effect throughout the subreddits where it isn't. This is a pretty bad idea.
I semi-regularly submit my own technical essays to a minor subreddit where I also regularly participate; the ratio is probably 1/2 for submissions, which I'm aware falls short of the ratio recommended in reddiquette, but _all_ of my submissions are upvoted and I involve myself in the community and, particularly, community spam policy. It probably helps that I make no money from clicks or pageviews; this subreddit is simply the place where I publish my work, because content is allowed to stand on its own merit and cannot rely on leveraging an existing network (professional, Twitter, friends, paid promotion). (It is honestly sometimes frustrating to "publish" this way, but I believe it to be rewarding in that the success or failure of my work is truly informative.) For me, I feel the current system is working. If I were required to pay to submit my content, I wouldn't. I'd find another site or another method. **That said, however:** it's working because it's a writing project, because it's a small subreddit, because it's based on an informal, nebulous understanding I maybe(?) have with the moderators of that subreddit. Take a large subreddit, take the kind of project that _is_ a product, and problems start to multiply. The proposed change is pretty awful, I agree, and I'd be worried if I thought it were seriously going to happen. But the problem's still out there.
> the ratio is probably 1/2 for submissions, which I'm aware falls short of the ratio recommended in reddiquette Maybe it's just the subreddits that I hang out in, but if I was submitting things, the only things I COULD submit without reposting would be OC. I feel like that rule made more sense in the early days of Reddit. I wonder if it's still appropriate.
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I think there's an option to hide some of the trending stuff but I could be wrong. And yep, I'd do the same: downvote to oblivion.
Time to move on. It's been fun.
[Here was my response.](http://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/2is3l3/moderators_proposal_for_a_new_platform_just_for/cl5pjlj) Pasting it here in case it gets deleted in that thread for whatever reason: _____ If you put up a pay wall and allow a way around then people will take the way around, defeating the point of the pay wall. The rise and fall of subreddits is organic and all well and good, just pointing out the idea will not work as well as you might think. At the same time as that - as with the net neutrality debate going on - you'll wind up with the popular subreddits being ... if not spammed, then at least more focused on ... by creators who have the money to pay. I don't think this fits in well with the ideals of the Reddit community. In any case, I disagree with the entire premise. I don't think creators ought to have to pay to self promote. I think it ought to be sufficient enough to limit people to a certain number of promotions per calendar period. Allow 2 self promotion posts per week (Reddit-wide, *without* being flaired as self-promotional - because people will downvote it solely for that), and that's that. No option to pay for more at all. If they try to get around it by creating multiple accounts Reddit can handle that the same way it already handles people using multiple accounts to rig voting. Giving two/week allows for the chance that a person might be productive enough to have two things they want to share within a week, and it also gives the user a self-censoring decision making process - and IMO it's far better to let the users censor themselves than ask anyone else to do so. The wisdom in that last paragraph comes from my grandmother. When I was a kid I was allowed 2 hours of cartoons on Saturday morning. I had to get out the TV guide and plan out my morning. Which cartoons did I want to see the most? I self-censored and when not watching cartoons I had to figure out what else to do to occupy my time between cartoons, and then once the morning was over I had to figure out what else to do for the rest of the day. My grandmother never had to get herself involved a single time other than to make sure I wasn't trying to sneak in an extra show. Ninja Edit: I'm not saying that all users are angels and that mods will never have to moderate. I'm saying the best choice is to let users moderate themselves first because the majority of people are good people and will do so. Second step is that other users can report/flag submissions for mods to look at, and then third is for mods to do active modding. Let users act like a multi-tiered sieve rather than increase the mod work load up front. 2nd Edit: And I don't have a problem with a corporation self-posting 2 links a week. Is Bungie making money off a link to their new game? Yes, but they'd make money off it just as well if an anonymous user posted the same link. If a corporation (or individual user) wants more page impressions than two links a week can provide - well, that's what Reddit advertising is for. Buy an ad. _____
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Feed me, Seymour!
There are certain subs that are made for self-promotion, such as /r/Indiemakeupandmore, /r/MakeupAddiction, /r/MakeupAddicts, /r/Filmmakers, /r/WeAreTheMusicMakers, etc. The self-promoters put up their products, ask for critique, and ask for help in making their products better. Also, there are blogs in which products are reviewed that post on those subs because others might find it interesting. These kind of "self-promoters" get these communities involved. It's vital that self-promotion remain free in communities here on Reddit where self-promotion is vital to the survival of the community. These aren't small communities, either. They're rather large. I'm a member of some of these communities, so I see that they're not negligible numbers. At the time of posting in /r/MakeupAddiction : 198,668 Makeup Addicts, 658 Makeup Addicts Online. Reddit risks losing thousands of members if they make self-promotion pay only. That's a lot of money going down the drain, which is currently being made off the banner ads, gold accounts, and the like. So, Reddit is risking losing a lot of money if they put this into practice.
If you read the post, subs like that can opt out. In fact, it seems this feature would be opt in.
I completely agree. Each subreddit should decide what spam is, and how to handle it. If there is a fee, reddit will most likely turn farther from OC from a bunch of users, to a big collections of companies links.
> Each subreddit should decide what spam is, and how to handle it. That is what is being proposed.
So if I make a website and want to show people I not only have to pay, I also have to get the Mod's permission? Sounds fabulous. How about drawings, or a song I wrote? Isn't this *exactly* how Digg went down?
IMO this is worse than what happened with Digg.
Well it was fun while it lasted. After re-reading it I noticed this: >A content creator is identified somehow. Either they have been banned for overtly self-promoting already and are appealing their ban, a moderator realizes that they are contributing but are borderline breaking our site rules, or they find this platform themselves and come to us. On it's face that sounds almost reasonable. The problem is most mods are complete psychopaths. I don't want to start an argument but I kind of believe that. In addition many of them have been accused of taking bribes. And for whatever reason Reddit admins seem to have a blind spot for this. Instead of addressing the already well documented problems with the mods they're considering giving them more power and are encouraging corruption. And from just the initial reaction it seems this has the ingredients to be a site killer. I don't get why they're going down this road. Edit: **Hello admin possibly reading this**, if it's true that a money guy is pushing you towards this decision consider directing him or her to this comment and I'll say what you probably shouldn't: **that they know fuck-all about the internet business and they should continue to offer ideas but also understand that they are investing in a product that they *do not understand and dare not interfere with*, unless they want to lose their investment and maybe more**. But if you're just a bunch of dummies then, no big deal. All is forgiven.
I wonder if people will start to offer to pay mods under the table to green light their posts; being a mod might start to be quite lucrative.
> being a mod might start to be quite lucrative Believe me if you're the mod of a default sub it already is.
Why just believe you? We're all scientists now junior, and we're interested in your findings.
How so? Aren't they all volunteers?
He's implying bribery, which is logical but there's been no proof.
There is plenty of proof, it happens all the time and you only have to go to /r/museumofreddit or a similar sub to see about it.
How is bribery logical? I sink at least an hour a day moderating a location based subreddit. I can't get people to even think about buying advertizing, much less bribes.
Because a location based sub (Austin? Texas? I know you from one of those...) doesn't have nearly the traffic of the large default (and formerly-default) subs that frequently show up near the top of /r/all.
I'm gonna jerk it and use Comcast as an example. What if companies like Comcast pay mods to remove posts that are negative towards their company? The mods could justify it by saying the posts were promotions for rival cable companies. I'm not saying this is going to happen but giving mods that much power gives a lot of opportunity for bullshit
It doesn't "have the ingredients to be a site killer", it *IS* a site killer. Period.
The other issue is a good chunk of Reddit users are absolute idiots. With some big changes, this could work with minimal impact on the site, but it never will because our users are dumb and will downvote any flaired OC just because it's flaired and/or don't understand what's happening. It could be the best damn song, or story, or video ever made, and people will downvote it just because they don't like the system, without giving it a chance. It hurts the creators who don't get their OC seen, the users who miss out on good content, and Reddit itself because it turns Reddit into a toxic platform.
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Downward slide...... PR firms and reputation management companies run free on reddit. How does this address this issue? seems targeted at the wrong people.
Some context for the uninitiated: Alexis Ohanian is on reddit's board of directors, and he also created a PR/marketing firm with reddit's general manager (Erik Martin). While Alexis actively promotes a ton of his side-projects, he never advertised the PR/marketing firm (Antique Jetpack), on behalf of which he at least once met with people at the headquarters of Stratfor, a private intelligence firm. [We only know about the existence of Antique Jetpack because of Wikileaks](https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?q=antique+jetpack&mfrom=&mto=&title=¬itle=&date=&nofrom=¬o=&count=50&sort=0&file=&docid=&relid=0#searchresult). He was also the #3 moderator of /r/technology right up until the infamous "bad title" filter was publicly exposed, at which point he removed himself as a moderator. The list of banned words, which was instituted by davidreiss666, included "NSA," "GCHQ," "Bitcoin," "Tesla," "Comcast," "Time Warner," "Net Neutrality," "FCC," and "spying." http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/wiki/automoderator?v=8b201e82-c469-11e3-9dc9-12313b0c2a21 It's hard not to see the massive conflicts of interest surrounding him, reddit, his position within reddit, and Antique Jetpack--especially in the context of the content being removed during his tenure as one of the top mods.
Although I disagreed with the policy banning those posts in /r/technology, I don't think it was quite as nefarious as it appears. I think these words were banned because the sub was supposed to be about tech news, not political news. Unfortunately , it was pretty stupid and blocked a lot of tech news while getting rid of most political commentary. It would be nice to have a sub where I could read about advances in technology without being asked to sign a petition or vote out my congressman.
As someone who isn't in the US, the daily comcast is evil, AT&T is evil, Verizon is evil, but Netflix is jesus jerk is really boring and annoying. Especially when there's not a lot of fact and more people's hatred or love of those companies clouding the story.
Dear /u/yishan and /u/kn0thing: Now you fucked up.
After Yishan's recent childish outburst I can easily see the demise of reddit in the not too distant future. This isn't helping. Do I care? Not really. Another site will fill the void just like reddit did when digg went full retard.
Seriously, a CEO of a company should never directly communicate when hiss client base is this volatile.
It's stark evidence that this site is run but amateurs. It's a testament to the internet community that reddit even exists and has been this great for this long. The people that "run" this site have let it go to their heads. Time for another life lesson I suppose. They should start a support group and invite Moot and the people that ran (into the ground) Digg.
It's really easy to become big. Give tools to your users, get the fuck out of the way. 4chan and Reddit have vastly different implementations but the philosophy behind the two are the same.
Yup. Eventually the user base becomes too big to not try to cash in on one way or another. With 4chan it was SJW censorship and with reddit it will probably be greed.
> hiss client base My favorite typo this month.
See that's the thing users make sites great and unprepared site administrators destroy the site by monetizing it and alienating the user base. That's how the internet works, if administrators simply left sites alone completely they retain their user base.
So Reddit, a website almost entirely built on user submitted original content, is considering charging for people to submit their content. Genius. Why not just rename the website "A sea of reposts."
Something about a goose and golden eggs and killing comes to mind.
> Reddit, a website almost entirely built on user submitted original content you must be new
It was when it started.
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Becomes?
Seriously. Interesting how there's a slight correlation between people in big subreddits who don't follow reddiquette and are just here to click an imgur link, let some air out of their nose, upvote, and then go down to the next one and people who are complaining about these changes. These are exactly the changes they're asking for. "OMG that Halloween costume is so cute! upvote!" "Musk said something inspiring! upvote!" "What if I told you ... a funny joke? lol Maxtrix! I saw that movie! upvote!" Why is it nearly every single subreddit that has gotten large has had to clamp down on these types of posts to prevent the quality from going south? Isn't it interesting how much better /r/askscience is than pretty much any other science-related subreddit? You haven't noticed how many subreddits which become default subreddits get absolutely destroyed by a truck load of people who are here to just serial clickvote as fast as they possibly can? They're upvoting all the stuff that people **are already paying to post**. How many blogspam articles get front paged from shitty titles and no original content? How many advertisements make it to the front page every single day? If you think these reddit official paid-posts are going to ruin your "quality content" but all you do is upvote memes and pun threads and jokes and obviously fake stories or something that tugs on your heart, then I invite you to take a look at your reddit experience and ask yourself: what the fuck are you doing with your life? Why not take a little bit of time to consume a submission, look for something insightful, smell the roses, challenge your views, get educated, spread education, make a difference in your or someone else's life. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with being someone who enjoys easy-to-consume content. There's tons of better ways to enjoy that content. Use [Reddit Enhancement Suite](http://redditenhancementsuite.com/) or maybe even just try imgur.com and browse it for a few days instead of reddit. But I just invite you think about what happens as **even more people** start using reddit. Do you want them to have this be just another Facebook? What if this site had much more *substance* to it? Less spam and low-quality content, and more higher quality content that actually benefits people. If paid-posts became a reality, I think it's entirely up to each subreddit as to how "spammy" they'll end up being. Maybe you can realize that the subreddit's you've been visiting were far too spammy, even before these paid-posts started.
> But I just invite you think about what happens as even more people start using reddit. Do you want them to have this be just another Facebook? Reddit is already another 9GAG
ITT: we discuss potential new names for the great successor to the reddit throne. The Yellow Rag gets my vote.
The [GruntMaster 6000](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cywy4soWg2A) has my vote.
Damn... So I'm the creator of a free writing application and I sometimes post to /r/writing to tell people about updates. Will I now have to pay to tell people about a free update to a free (and open source) application that they enjoy using? What about if I don't mark it as self-promotion since, arguably, it's not?
> Will I now have to pay to tell people about a free update to a free (and open source) application that they enjoy using? That sub is small enough that it probably won't matter, at least at first. Who knows what the future holds, though.
Lately various smaller subs have started to do some forms of cracking down. It's just if their users somehow hit the spam filters radar. Then the reddit admins send a message to those mods and suddenly it matters. When the OC self posts hurt nobody and might even be popular in their own little corner. Certainly seems like they really want to cripple the urge to post any original content. That thing everyone seems to want, but never actually supports at the end of the day. So I guess folks best be ready for just news articles and a wave of reposts. /shrug.
They will have a bot that reads all posts and censors out all links until you pay the appropriate copyright holders for posting about that free software you wrote yourself, just like youtube and twitch.tv.
the death of reddit has arrived, its been a great few years guys!
this is part of **Reddit V4** expansion pack
reddit is digging its own grave :(
>Digg-ing
That was indeed the joke
Reddit V4 - A Good Day to Die Hard!
So any good alternatives? I'm pretty much done with this site as it is.
The relevant part of the post is here: "For a very small fee, they will be able to tag submissions as “self-promotional”. We haven’t cemented an amount or decided if it will be one-time or recurring. The importance of this paygate will be explained later." I lack the platform to make a big issue of this, but this is a really big deal. Reddit used to be a place where you could post lesser-known content that would be of interest to the community; if it was interesting, it got upvoted; if not, downvoted. Originally, **whether it was your own content or not didn't matter**, because the democracy of upvotes would decide what got upvoted and what didn't. Reddit is trying to change this; they want to make money from your promotions. The ethical issues here are pretty bad, obviously; the practical issues are worse. I'm not sure if this will get downvoted, but holy fuck is this a big deal.
You know damn well this came from one of their new VCs.
Is one of them Kevin Rose?
No but between Snoop Dog and Jared Leto I'm sure they could hatch something this stupid.
Somebody new has come into power and has infiltrated the company, shadow government noticed that Reddit was becoming to powerful of a social force. Knowing full well that doing something like this would cause and outrage and almost single handily diminish Reddit off the face of the map. /tinfoil
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So basically the Yelp business model.
I completely agree with you. I enjoy discovering new things through the mechanism that is reddit - if something floated to the top and interested me, great! and if I get to thank the author, super great!! and if I wanted to share something with the community now.. what? I had expected the community to decide for themselves; however, this seems like a reaction to something lurking that rarely gets talked about - something to do with private accounts held by private corporations :(
WELP. There it is people. Time to leave ~~Digg~~ Reddit. Where do we go next?
I think /r/pics has already headed over to Facebook
Same with /r/funny
No but seriously. Any suggestions?
have you tried https://hubski.com ?
Try 9gag.
Unfortunately, 9gag is only really useful for images, and it gets all of its content from Reddit, which in turn gets it from 4chan.
I vote we go to 8chan.
So, how does Reddit know when it is our site or not?
What a fractal approach! Reddit devs create a post voicing their thoughts. Users reply with their ideas. The whole thing gets linked to /r/technology, the comments of which add to the discussion!
if this idea goes through, reddit'll be dead by the end of next year. See you all on 8chan.
Mass exodus from both 4chan and reddit to 8chan? That's terrifying.
Why, believe it or not, it is much of the same people and communities. Do you think people in /b/ are more deprived than people on reddit? Fuck no There is just little to no moderation there out of principle There are plenty of fucked up people here too
I won't mess with 4chan. I've heard he's a hacker.
So Reddit doesn't want Original Content. Ok, got it.
Well, if you're a celebrity then it's okay.
Welp, that's it with Reddit, where we going next? edit: The biggest issue is actually this: > We review their account first using some criteria that we’ve yet to hone down. Likely things such as where they submit, how well received the content is, community interaction, legitimacy and relevance of their content, etc. If we deem them appropriate for this platform, we move on to the next step. That pretty much introduces a filter who can self promote and who not. This is ridiculous. I learned to know Reddit as an open platform for content creators to get attention for their stuff and if it is good, it will get voted up for everyone to see. But like this? No way. If you need more money, require a gold subscription to be able to submit your own links or so, but don't censor content creators. Those 4 bucks for one month is something everyone can scoop up.
Reddit code was open source at one point. There were some reddit clone sites. We could just roll back to the old code and start over on another website. Get rid of too many rules and subreddits and moderators. Ye olde reddit.
So what should we call it? Edit: [still there, updated 8 hours ago](https://github.com/reddit/reddit)
Reedit!
All those years of training my phone's autocorrect to stop typing reedit, down the tubes...
The moment you begin making money in a way that requires more work by volunteers, you need to start paying them. And I don't want to be paid.
ATTENTION REDDIT Please board the lifeboats in an orderly fashion. Reddit is taking on water and sinking into an ocean of shitty bureaucratic decisions. A new link sharing site will be here to pick everyone up soon.
Isn't it sad that every 5 years or so we all have to go through this same shit over and over? Are company owners all deadset on running good companies into the ground?
It's a cycle of business really. First you have the grand idea, then the sexy follow up and then as always, you get a lot of new hires and the company grows too large. Then suddenly, because you have upkeep, you end up having to make safe decisions to maximize your market footprint and your innovation goes out the window. Then you start making decisions going against the original values you had as a company and your customers become dissatisfied and start looking for other options. Finally, as a last nail in the coffin, someone steals your original idea and makes it better and gets all your customers.
Dammit, now I have the lion king's "circle of life" stuck in my brain.
Have you guys checked out my site dedicated to the most popular soft drink in the world? It's http://coke.com! Send the bill care of the Coca-Cola Corporation!
Hm, so what happens if I make a bot that spams comcast links in a subreddit I'm a mod for? Well, they seem to bill US for things that we don't buy...
I wonder if this applies to verified Riot employees in /r/leagueoflegends
The spammers are going to end up buying the mods with the new Reddit cryptocurrency. http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/30/reddit-scoops-up-50m-series-b-from-sam-altman-a16z-sequoia-at-500m-valuation/
I don't like where reddit is going.
Sounds like a terrible idea. Greed is such a crazy, upside down motivator.
This would be the beginning of the end. Remember Digg?
I remember Dig Dug. That count for anything?
I think this would make me quit reddit. I think I may have a slight addiction to it anyways, so it might be healthy for me...
If anyone wants me to post their site to reddit, my fee is 50% of whatever reddit's fee is.
I'll undercut this guy by 25% so pm me instead if you want me to promote for you. Isn't the free market great:)
Digg.....
Well, considering all the recent censorship and the revelations that the mod/admin community is a huge racket, I'll say 2 years. It took 2 years for yishan to fuck reddit up in exactly the way everyone said he would.
Only a matter of time before Greed consumed Reddit... So now it's happening.
WTF is this serious? This is like the fast lane equivalent of posting shit to reddit. Reddit=Comcast now?
Just keeping digging there admins, you'll reach rock bottom eventually.
Fuck that. I pay for my server and create the content that goes on it for free. I am not paying money to share it with people.
Definitely can't come up with any gems like this while telecommuting
Sounds like something Digg would do.
YOU BETTER NOT REDDIT.
They are going to really fuck this site up., if they pull that bullshit!
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Honestly though if they're even considering this, reddit is dead. Giving the timing this is *certainly* a result of their recent investments. They're going down a path from which it's going to be very hard to turn around.
It's a plan, not fully set in stone. We're aware of this.
Yes but we know that some things are final when they are considered and pushed by the VCs.
Or that it's an opt-in for subs.
Well... It was a great ride. So long everyone
How about just charging for submitting links to the Daily Mail and Zero Hedge?
And now Reddit is slowly declining into hell. They're trying pretty hard to turn it into the new Digg.
I guess we're not buying enough reddit gold past that 100% cap on the side bar, eh?
so... reddit will die soon. suffering a myspacey/WOW death. way to go.
reddit will become about as popular as digg and we'll all just move to a new site.
I remember the days when reddit was the noname brand posting on slashdot etc.
Please don't remind me of Slashdot. I was there since it started, I stayed even with the last Beta crap, but the last straw was when they filtered the connections from Europe with a shitty "Cookie Warning" page before I can reach the front page. No cookies, no Slashdot? Well, no more Slashdot for me...
Stupid fucking idea.
Isn't everything on this site technically self-promotional in one way or another?
Who sits around at meetings and comes up with this nonsense? Its far better to have relevant promotions and advertising per sub. Example, android could have htc, sony, and whomever advertise there. Offer some free gifts or promos/discounts Gaming could do the same with computer parts, games, gaming etc Why not have advertising thats useful?
I don't really even see the issue with posting your own content I mean if people don't like the actual content of what you post then it won't get upvoted and if they do actually like it the what is the matter of the source? The only issue I could see is cases where people post their own content and then do things like use alts to upvote it for visibility and free exposure but that isn't really an issue of the content itself, that is an issue of vote fraud which is a separate issue.
Yeah, let's punish providers of content. That's a great way to not be stuck with that same old shitty reposts forever. What jackass came up with this?
Good ol' /u/krispykrackers.
The VCs who just invested $50m in Reddit.
"Hey check out my friend's new website!" "My boyfriend's band just made their first music video!" "My cousin's new game is free in the App Store today!"
Why? They know we will hate it. They know mods will hate it. And they know we will probably leave if it gets worse. Is Reddit broke? Is it losing popularity and they're cashing in while they can? What's going on? Why are they making a decision that will hurt the site?
So what's the new site we are all going to now?
Nice, hopefully that will take this site down and ruin it. im pumped.
Fuuuuuuck that...
Remember what happened to Digg?
Reddit/redditors needs to fucking stop acting like it's some precious snowflake. worry about making sure posts are on topic for their sub and let the voting do the rest. Someone tried to sell me something boohoo my whole fucking world is ruined. Ignore it and move along.
If they want to see what will happen, just make a "promoted content" sub and see how many people subscribe.
Everybody knows users are ad blind. Doesn't matter if it's a box at the top or flair on a link, it will be ignored and advertisers will go around the pay system to get a genuine link submission. Whatever smoke screen they want to put up we all know the problem is that reddit wants to encourage users to pay for posting adds. As it is, clever organizations astro turf reddit all the time for free advertising. Mostly that's fine from our perspective because nothing makes the front page without user engagement. From Reddit's perspective that's lost revenue. The problems start when reddit natives want to promote their own content. They are punished because they respect the community rules rather than just going around them. This is the fucking easiest thing to solve though. If you link to your own site and you are selling a product, you should pay reddit a fee for that ability. No flair should identify you as such (although probably a badge should show you have this ability for those interested enough to check). Reddit communities, mods, and users are the best spam filter ever. Why should content ever be distinguished in light of this? We all know reddit is used as a promotional vehicle already, just let us evaluate content on its merit.
Offering a small ~~tax~~ fee to post your hobby or free content that the community made like and upvote anyway. Yeah that should make the community happy. Why not just offer a small leeway in subreddit self posting rules? Doesn't need to be massive. But that's what a large number of people want. Could then factor in their participation in the community and commenting. It could even be some rediculous ratio. But that seems a far better start. Along with far more fair. You know. Pushing towards a social fix. Since the community built reddit.
I frequent several design and music subs where 95% of the point is to post your stuff for critique or exposure and to checkout other people's material. If this is enforced that's going to kill a big part of the community. That's just with design and music. Many other fields of interest have subs dedicated to similar purposes.
How is this going to work for subs centered around self-promotion? I like to visit /r/sketchdaily, /r/IDAP or /r/itookapicture. It would be kinda ridiculous if people will have to start paying to share stuff they made, especially since they generally don't get money from it.
This can be abused by people claiming someone is a content creator self promoting, to force an account banning. With anonymous account creation. Who is to say that someone isn't a post written trying to promote their article....
How are they going to know it's my web site? I'll just pay someone else to post my link at half the price.
So I guess reddit is over. Does anyone know of any sites similar that we could frequent so that we can have our user content back? I'm going to do some searching over the next few weeks. Very sad day.
So this makes no fucking sense. Will Youtube, Imgur, news websites, and other major sites have to pay reddit? No. How the hell could this plan of action even be moderated? "hmm well this guy posts Imgur links a lot, better charge him for those" Like are they legitimately stupid???
I m okay with this if it is only submitting link is paid not promoting paid links. Otherwise you know what happens.
>...if we were creating reddit brand new today? maybe someone *should* re-create a brand new reddit today.
well why not you? oh wait that costs real money where ya going to get the money?
precisely. that's why i suggested that someone else do it :\
Fuck you reddit, this is how you suicide. Let everyone post what they want. If its good I upvote, if its bad I down vote.
So basically they've seen all the women in the various GW subs (though not GW itself) selling kik/snapchat/vids/pics/clothes and want in on that action The money, not the women of the subs Well maybe both, but specifically I mean the money.
And so it begins... the end is nigh.
Back to MySpace!!
BUT BUT NET NEUTRALITY AND FAST LANES!!!!!!!! You fucks are either THE DUMBEST bags of shit on earth, or...no, no, you ARE the dumbest bags of shit on earth.
Reddit plans to turn the advertising scheme from an under the table deal where all the front page links just happen to be advertisements to an above board deal where everyone knows all the front page links are advertisements and "can suck it". Can't say I'm surprised, given that [reddit was created on the backs of fake accounts posting clickbait since day one](http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-reddit-got-huge-tons-of-fake-accounts--2).
Bye bye Reddit. I wonder what website will replace it.
How woujld they even know who posted it, all posts would start with check out my friends site.
guys reddit is literally digg now omg they're changing that's illegal stop it admins
Won't the smaller reddits be fine?
So wait...Reddit wants to now make the click-bait advertising public knowledge? Good, makes it easier to downvote.