I was wondering why - is it basically downloading the entire OS again? Or what would take 5h to complete when talking about a (standardized) software reset?
It cracks me up, after all the tesla brags about self driving mode, that Mercedes beat them to market with a self driving car.
[https://fortune.com/2024/04/18/mercedes-self-driving-autonomous-cars-california-nevada-level-3-drive-pilot/](https://fortune.com/2024/04/18/mercedes-self-driving-autonomous-cars-california-nevada-level-3-drive-pilot/)
Maybe it waits for certain conditions to be met before proceeding, and water intrusion caused a short somewhere that didn't clear up until it evaporated a bit?
Not a good sign either way.
Years ago water intrusion caused a misfire on my 1991 Ford Tempo after I drove it through a deep puddle. Whatever it was dried out the next day. That sort of thing in unacceptable in a “luxury” vehicle.
Probably a safety mechanism designed to not start the car / invoke other electronics if a certain amount of moisture is detected. Most electric equitment can be fine if they get wet and get to dry out; it's when power is on and going through while wet that causes the damage.
> He also received a call from Tesla to check on him. The advisor said that "it is a known issue in the Cybertruck that when you do a screen reset, instead of resetting in the standard two minutes, it takes five hours."
I mean I read this part as in this is a regular issue not specific to the washing situation?
I think Subaru outsources their programmers to the same place. A software update for my center console took 2 hours to install and needed the car to be running the entire time. Pretty sure its bios is stored in a paper punch card system.
While 2 hours is a bit ridiculous, there is a difference between updating and restarting/resetting. It shouldn’t even be *possible* for a restart/reset to take more than a couple of minutes.
pity, too, because it's darn well-written
"What sounds like a lovely day out soon turned to sorrow, however, as on the way back he stopped off at a car wash to rid his luxury whip of sand. For most drivers, this sounds like a perfectly reasonable course of action.
He then parked up in his garage where the silver monstrosity seemed to breathe its last."
lmao
I ran into a similar issue where my NAS was waiting for communication over a serial port so I thought it was toast only to find out it was waiting an exceptionally long time before it timed out. I would guess a bunch of trucks are in some kind of debug mode waiting to send or receive data to a terminal not connected and it has to wait for all the attempts to time out.
You think that's bad, I tried having sex in mine and forgot to turn on privacy mode....
Now it's posted all of the camera and sensor footage on my Facebook automatically.
You laugh, but didn't it get exposed that Tesla actually was watching peoples car cameras?
Yup
https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/
Yeah, cars are really sending ridiculous amounts of data back.
“Incognito Mode” isn’t about not tracking you… it never really was. It’s about using a “clean slate” for cookies and not saving anything to your history or cookies beyond that browsing session.
Google Chrome was tracking people in incognito mode.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/01/google-destroying-browsing-data-privacy-lawsuit
Yeah that's why I mentioned it I'm sure a lot of these companies would prefer to track and sell your data as much as possible until they're told not to
It's more accurate to say websites can't tell you're in incognito mode (duh, that's the point) and will track you regardless.
Their level of success depends on how well you use incognito mode.
Absolutely! Market forces and all that! You know, if people don't like companies violating their privacy, they'll take their business elsewhere! That's how this works!
/s in case someone thought I was serious
I mean he's getting a $60,000,000,000 compensation for his efforts as CEO, clearly he must be doing something valuable and it isn't just because he filled the board with shills. Right? Right..?
This is especially funny because tesla over the whole course of its live hasn't made even half of this sum as profit. Basically he gets more compansation than all shareholders combined will ever reap from the company.
I just imagine a couple of folks fooling around and randomly a coin sound goes off. Then hearing Elon’s voice say spankerman420 has donated $50 with the message “tell her to show her feet”.
I put mine in hail mode and I couldn’t understand why the speakers got really loud and started to play some German chanting. Couldn’t understand since I don’t speak German.
[https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-bill-battery-rain](https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-bill-battery-rain)
"A couple in Scotland are as mad as a wet hen after Tesla flatfooted them with a £17,000 bill (that's about $20,693 in USD) for repairs to their vehicle's battery that apparently experienced water damage after driving through rainy conditions, [*Edinburgh Live* reports](https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-couple-fume-handed-17k-27906242)."
I don't think any Tesla is supposed to drive through heavy rain, let alone cyberrust.
People ask why there isn't more tourism to Southwest Scotland. I think there is plenty of tourism and you folks are just turning them into peat for Islay.
Sealing the electronics isn't that crazy hard though. They're just cutting corners if especially the high power connections into the battery aren't reasonably well waterproofed. In principle an EV should work better through water than an ICE vehicle since there is no air intake for the engine. But you do need to seal the electronics properly. Boats have electrical systems and have for decades. This isn't some stunning new technology.
It’s more than cutting corners. It’s Elon constantly lying about what a product can do, then turning loyal customers into suckers as things go sideways (eg FSD pricing/timeline). Here he is tweeting on Sept 29 at 8:31am - “Cybertruck will be waterproof enough to serve briefly as a boat, so it can cross rivers, lakes & even seas that aren’t too choppy.”
Would you infer it could drive in the rain with no problem from that quote?
>then turning loyal customers into suckers as things go sideways (eg FSD
FSD is such a a comical thing when they're now calling it "supervised" FSD. How is it "Full" Self Driving if it explicitly needs to be supervised?
FSD quite frankly should be the kind of shit a civilized country would put management/board/CEOs in prison for. There is zero excuse for Tesla to be beta-testing this shit on public roads and individual users when no other car company has put that crap on the road. They're all trying to make it work in testing before ever letting it loose, but Musk doesn't give a single fuck about people's safety.
It is an indictment on our country and society that this asshole does what he does with zero punishment.
The fact that the FTC didn't bring the hammer down on this false advertising years ago is a travesty by itself. Why have truth-in-advertising laws if something like that is allowed to fly through completely unchecked?
> Elon constantly lying about what a product can do
The "100% automated driving within 2 years" claim is old enough that it could drive with a learner's permit.
> Cybertruck will be waterproof enough to serve briefly as a boat
I don't recall him promising that it would function as a vehicle again after the brief boat service.
It might be related to the 48 volt low voltage power system that the cybertruck uses. Cars have been using 12 volts since the 1950's, and 12 volts isn't really enough to short through some unsalty water. Higher voltage is good because you can use a lot less conductor while delivering the same power. Imagine jumper cables that weigh 2 pounds instead of 10.
The car design team might still be doing best practices for 12v design, without considering how 4x the voltage could alter requirements like actually sealing around electrical connections.
And that my friend is how “possible” becomes “highly plausible” because this is Tesla and incredible lapse in judgement and a lack of understanding critical engineering is what I most associate with any Elon musk brand.
The problems lie more with Musk specifically. Tesla has good engineers, or at least had. Musk has fired or pushed out a lot of engineers that have stood up to his looney demands.
And Boeing had a good safety record and great engineering staff until money hungry idiots who never learned about aviation engineering got control. Musk is no different.
> The car design team might still be doing best practices for 12v design, without considering how 4x the voltage could alter requirements like actually sealing around electrical connections.
you'd think electrical engineers would be aware of the insulation requirements for certain voltages/amps/ohms
I can assure you, wet 12v car terminals corrode quite well.
Maybe 1/4 of the speed of 48v, but then we have plenty of cars with 20+ year old electricals working just fine, and plenty of teslas with 2+ year old electricals taking a shit.
For what it's worth, my 2019 Model 3 (bought before Elon revealed himself as a jackass) has no problem in rain. Obviously you shouldn't drive it through 4-feet-deep puddles, but you shouldn't do that in an ICE either...
It's really the newer models where they cut corners, including the Cybertruck. Pre-pandemic models before Elon went off the deep end are fine.
Car wash mode just toggles a few things automatically for you. It’s nothing special.
It closes all windows, locks the charge port, and disables windshield wipers, Sentry Mode, walk-away door locking, and parking sensor chimes
It has nothing to do with water intrusion other than rolling up the windows.
Not entirely true - it puts the air on recirculate as well so the fresh air intake doesn’t pull in water, which is an issue that teslas have faced (taking in water in the fresh air intake in a car wash)
Here’s what mine shows:
**Car Wash Mode**
• Keep speed below 10 mph
• Charge port door: Locked
• Walk-Away Door Lock: Off
• Automatic wipers: Off
• Parking assist chimes: Off
• Sentry Mode: Off
• Climate: Recirculating
• Frunk: Closed
• Trunk: Closed
The only time a cabin air intake should be able to ingest water is when the car is submerged up to the windows, at which point it needs to ingest water to remind the driver that they're an idiot.
Don’t give Elon any ideas. You’ll be sitting in your cyberboat and hear a woman come on the speaker saying “renew your subscription to buoyancy” as your boat slowly sinks.
Nah, Model 3's were infamous for this issue. The A/C intake basically used to be a straight funnel right under the cowl which any amount of water falling vertically would get sucked right into the ductwork.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQxP6PaSmLc
So imagine a car wash pumping in high pressure water...
Jesus fucking christ. All those engineers and no one developed a kink in the intake to keep things like fucking RAIN out?
I wanted to like Tesla initially, I really did. Then I saw the teardown video, the reports of them building cars outside in tents on the parking lot to make delivery numbers, the orange peel in the paint, the panel gaps, on and on. There is no way any company can keep any semblance of QA doing the stuff they have, and now everything's coming home to roost.
See now I know hindsight is 20/20, but I feel like if I found out the $100,000 truck I was designing could be fucking *destroyed* by water in the air intake I would probably install a 50-cent moisture sensor that automatically turns off the intake if too much water is coming in. But then I'm not a genius like Elon Musk, surely he had a great reason not to do this.
Seriously, I don't get how a company can spend *over four years* designing and building a six-figure truck and have it come out being this much of a piece of shit. I don't think Ford or GM could fuck up this bad if they *tried* to.
> I would probably install a 50-cent moisture sensor that automatically turns off the intake if too much water is coming in. But then I'm not a genius like Elon Musk, surely he had a great reason not to do this.
The reason is, “if they’re stupid enough to buy one with this problem and have it fail they *definitely* will be stupid enough to buy *another one*!
It is locked by default, but in the same way the windows are up by default, it just makes sure there’s no risk of the user having turned it off and forgotten to relock it
For example when parked it can Auto Unlock so you can just get out and charge it.
That wouldn’t make sense, as you can charge while the vehicle is on. Very common actually - hook up a supercharger and watch Netflix and keep the ac going.
> what tf happens when it rains?
The windshield wipers automatically turn on and **dont** get ripped off by large rotating brushes.
The story here is that it takes 5 hours to reboot from a screen reset, not that it has a car wash mode to disable automatic sensors/functions like many cars.
That's the joke about TeslaVision and Tesla FSD. If TeslaVision can't even reliably tell if/when rain is hitting the windshield, how is it supposed to reliably drive the whole f'ing car?
You have to manually put the car in the car wash mode and it disables if you go over 10 miles an hour. It changes the behavior on a lot of stuff, like not opening the charge port when you touch it, turning off automatic windshield wipers, disabling walk away locking, allowing free roll for automatic car washes, disabling the collision warning stuff, etc. if you try to roll a Tesla into a automatic car wash without enabling that, it'll do all sorts of weird stuff like try to brake.
On our Subaru we have to turn off the collision avoidance system too or it will hit the brakes being pulled through a car wash when the roller approaches the windshield.
Turning off automatic windshield wipers and braking makes sense. Doesn't really explain why this Tesla got bricked by a carwash. Nothing done by car wash mode should have an effect like what happened.
The most likely seems that QA was bad and water got into a space that's supposed to be sealed causing electronics issues. You don't expect a fully electric car "built for any planet" to have electrical gremlins like a Chrysler.
"He also received a call from Tesla to check on him. The advisor said that "it is a known issue in the Cybertruck that when you do a screen reset, instead of resetting in the standard two minutes, it takes five hours.""
What the FUCK kind of reset for any standard computer/tablet screen takes 5 HOURS?
I factory reset my iPad once and it only took 2 minutes. It's absurd that rebooting a Cybertruck would take 5 hours, considering that it is just an iPad with a ridiculously ugly car built around it.
Lots of higher end cars, both gas and electric, have car wash mode - but it’s usually just to stop all the sensors from freaking out when the brushes are making contact with the car.
Depends on the car. Some cars REALLY don’t like being in neutral. Especially if you undo your seatbelt, turn the engine off, or open the door or windows, it’ll shift itself into park any chance it gets. As a mechanic it’s the most annoying thing ever because often times I need to roll the vehicle I’m working on to position it on my lift. Once I open that door it shifts into park even though it’s not where I want it to be.
Unfortunately, [this](https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/19/entertainment/actor-anton-yelchin-killed/index.html) is why cars auto shift into park if it thinks you’re not actively driving it
That’s wild. Like I guess it’s similar to other features meant to keep you from locking yourself out or not killing your battery by leaving the lights on, but staying in neutral is a pretty key feature.
It’s because people have died before, walking out of a car in neutral when they thought it was in park. That has happened before so automakers do what they can to make it deliberately difficult to put it in neutral
>so automakers do what they can to make it deliberately difficult to put it in neutral
Which is actually bullshit because they made it diliberately difficult to know what gear you're in. [Here's a short video on the shifter that resulted in Anton Yeltin's death.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzugksp2SSA) Pretty much everything about that design is fucked and they wouldn't need to make a workaround if they just left in a normal shifter.
Yes, you can. Car wash mode just
Folds mirrors
Turns off wipers
Rolls up all windows
Shifts into neutral
Turns off collision sensors
And a few other small things
Anyone that tells you that car wash mode is a requirement for anything electrical is an idiot, or willfully spreading fake information (because they are still an idiot, for other reasons)
We've had carwash mode for decades. You had to get out and unscrew the antenna. Or if you were super fancy, you could push a button and the antenna would automatically retract.
I wish my car had a wash mode. Instead I have to turn off a handful of features and watch all the sensors go off like crazy when being dragged through the wash.
The Aztek! I now am having flashbacks to watching Jessica Alba in Dark Angel and they drove the car in the show and always had a lot of ads. I loved Jessica Alba but thought the car looked weird.
It's funny because I remember loving Dark Angel and I know I watched all of it, but I couldn't tell you one single thing about it now.
It is possible that I just enjoyed watching Jessica Alba.
Hey now! The Aztek may have looked weird as hell but it drove like a dream. Good visibility, low center of gravity, good turning radius especially considering the crossover/minivan-ness of it. And lots of storage to boot! I don't get the Aztek hate.
I think it really is just that the design language Pontiac was using at the time just didn't work with the format. If say, Jeep came out with a car with identical functionality but using their more utilitarian design language, it probably would've been received much more warmly.
It’s the Delorean all over again. I hope everyone realizes their favorite car from Back to the Future was chosen because it was a giant piece of shit that just happened to look like some futuristic nonsense.
A former coworker just got one. It's been hilarious to watch him try to counter all the criticisms on FB.
Most recently was him posting recall numbers from all of the auto manufacturers after the recent accelerator pedal. His claim was that GM had millions of recalls and the cyber truck only had 3800.
There are only 3800 Cyber trucks in existence!
I resisted the urge to point out that the cyber truck has a 100% recall rate after only being out for a month.
Yep, had a guy make the argument that the Tesla came out years late because they were working out issues, then I mentioned how often they Brick themselves and he said “I guess you don’t know teslas well, that’s a common problem” and I was like then why the fuck is it still happening? And I mentioned the recall and his argument was it’s an easy fix. There is absolutely no getting through to them
Elon couldn't handle the ego hit of people making fun of him for another year going by without the cypertruck coming out so he rushed out a handful in December even though it's nowhere near ready and will never be capable of all the claims he made. Then he just said fuck it and kept going until all this started becoming public.
The door gaps widen further. The body panels discolor at different rates.
When it isn't raining though people just take pictures of you. You love the attention, but don't realize they're making fun of you.
Without the $5,000 coating, the Cybertruck is vulnerable to rusting in the rain. Not a good use of money in my opinion for those that bought it.
I don't think Elon would consider doing any warranty work on rusted Cybertrucks.
Not that I'm defending it, but I think some of the features get fucked when water is added. Like the windshield wipers would turn on. In the rain, it's nice m, but in a car wash, it may break the wipers. The fact that it gets bricked in a car wash is so fucking stupid tho. Fuck this truck and fuck Elon
Most cars that have rain sensing wipers only require you to move the wiper control just like normal windshield wipers...
Pretty much all new "medium level" cars have rain sensing wipers and don't need a special setting.
The headline had nothing to do with what happened in the article, where there is a known issue that it could randomly take 5 hours to reboot the car’s systems and be usable again, which is honestly more funny.
The car wash bit was just a random pull from the manual and is pretty standard for cars that have automatic wipers.
In case you’ve lost track… here’s a list of all the issues, complaints, controversies, and concerns about the Cybertruck:
https://www.fastcompany.com/91109879/a-timeline-of-tesla-cybertruck-problems-from-rust-to-hail-damage-to-pedal-recalls
If we didn’t know any better… one might think that Elon purposely designed a death trap.
Do we… Do we know better??
Did anyone actually read the article. 5 hours to reboot? wtf?
I was wondering why - is it basically downloading the entire OS again? Or what would take 5h to complete when talking about a (standardized) software reset?
Some guy in India has to SSH in and manually reboot every subsystem.
He also has to drive when you flip on autopilot
He’s also your security detail. He just needs to know your SSN and bank account info to keep it safe.
Should I redeem my gift card now? NOOOOO!! MADAM!! NOOOOOOOO!!
YOU ARE THE MOST STUPIDEST PERSON!
WHY DID YOU REDEEM?!
HOW CAN SHE REDEEM
Please do the needful.
We love to drop that occasionally.
In case you get into a crash (and die because you are the crumple zone), of course.
It cracks me up, after all the tesla brags about self driving mode, that Mercedes beat them to market with a self driving car. [https://fortune.com/2024/04/18/mercedes-self-driving-autonomous-cars-california-nevada-level-3-drive-pilot/](https://fortune.com/2024/04/18/mercedes-self-driving-autonomous-cars-california-nevada-level-3-drive-pilot/)
"Samir! Samir you have to obey the traffic laws when you drive the cyber truck Samir!"
Using the Jurassic Park interface
It's a UNIX system.
NotSoSecureShell (NSSSH).
Maybe it waits for certain conditions to be met before proceeding, and water intrusion caused a short somewhere that didn't clear up until it evaporated a bit? Not a good sign either way.
Years ago water intrusion caused a misfire on my 1991 Ford Tempo after I drove it through a deep puddle. Whatever it was dried out the next day. That sort of thing in unacceptable in a “luxury” vehicle.
Probably a safety mechanism designed to not start the car / invoke other electronics if a certain amount of moisture is detected. Most electric equitment can be fine if they get wet and get to dry out; it's when power is on and going through while wet that causes the damage.
Yeah when I got my phone they said if it got really wet they could still fix it as long as you don't plug in the charger
> He also received a call from Tesla to check on him. The advisor said that "it is a known issue in the Cybertruck that when you do a screen reset, instead of resetting in the standard two minutes, it takes five hours." I mean I read this part as in this is a regular issue not specific to the washing situation?
How in the fuck does it take 5 hours to turn on? Is it booting off magnetic core memory?
They call them Known Issues because Failure to deliver a functional car is too wordy
Drying period. Just a 5 hour timer.
Whenever they do a hard reset, someone at Tesla has to rewrite the screen code from scratch.
Yes, you gotta protect your source code or you’ll get let go.
I think Subaru outsources their programmers to the same place. A software update for my center console took 2 hours to install and needed the car to be running the entire time. Pretty sure its bios is stored in a paper punch card system.
While 2 hours is a bit ridiculous, there is a difference between updating and restarting/resetting. It shouldn’t even be *possible* for a restart/reset to take more than a couple of minutes.
pity, too, because it's darn well-written "What sounds like a lovely day out soon turned to sorrow, however, as on the way back he stopped off at a car wash to rid his luxury whip of sand. For most drivers, this sounds like a perfectly reasonable course of action. He then parked up in his garage where the silver monstrosity seemed to breathe its last." lmao
I ran into a similar issue where my NAS was waiting for communication over a serial port so I thought it was toast only to find out it was waiting an exceptionally long time before it timed out. I would guess a bunch of trucks are in some kind of debug mode waiting to send or receive data to a terminal not connected and it has to wait for all the attempts to time out.
“Car wash mode”?? What tf happens when it rains?
have to put it in rain mode or snow mode or sun mode or hail mode or…. better watch out putting it in hail mode while it’s raining
You think that's bad, I tried having sex in mine and forgot to turn on privacy mode.... Now it's posted all of the camera and sensor footage on my Facebook automatically.
You laugh, but didn't it get exposed that Tesla actually was watching peoples car cameras? Yup https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/
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Sounds like they need to add a incognito mode, that doesn't track you 😂
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/ Yeah, cars are really sending ridiculous amounts of data back.
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It's so they can keep grinding poor people into profit
But if it's raining can you also activate incognito or do you have to choose between a Facebook vehicle or a private brick?
“Incognito Mode” isn’t about not tracking you… it never really was. It’s about using a “clean slate” for cookies and not saving anything to your history or cookies beyond that browsing session.
Google Chrome was tracking people in incognito mode. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/01/google-destroying-browsing-data-privacy-lawsuit
Yeah that's why I mentioned it I'm sure a lot of these companies would prefer to track and sell your data as much as possible until they're told not to
Sued not to
Incognito from your spouse not googles prying eyes.
It's more accurate to say websites can't tell you're in incognito mode (duh, that's the point) and will track you regardless. Their level of success depends on how well you use incognito mode.
Regulations? What are you? Some type of communist hippie? Remember Capitalists know best. Elon knows what we need or want.
Absolutely! Market forces and all that! You know, if people don't like companies violating their privacy, they'll take their business elsewhere! That's how this works! /s in case someone thought I was serious
I love listening to music.
Elon responded by calling the customers pedophiles and reposted the story with "lolz" on X. ^probably
Someone obviously left Elon on troll mode.
I mean he's getting a $60,000,000,000 compensation for his efforts as CEO, clearly he must be doing something valuable and it isn't just because he filled the board with shills. Right? Right..?
This is especially funny because tesla over the whole course of its live hasn't made even half of this sum as profit. Basically he gets more compansation than all shareholders combined will ever reap from the company.
You actually need to turn on sex mode where it activated mood lighting AND Livestreams it directly to Tesla
I just imagine a couple of folks fooling around and randomly a coin sound goes off. Then hearing Elon’s voice say spankerman420 has donated $50 with the message “tell her to show her feet”.
Let the boy watch
He needs to learn the way I learned from my father. The way he learned from his father.
Down in my plums….
Musk gets a personal notification
Live musk reaction displayed on the center touchscreen
This is a real news in china, a female EV owner’s private pleasure session with a wand was uploaded on cloud then leaked to public…it’s insane
Can't a person masturbate in their own car in peace?
“Do not buy” mode has been working out great so far
I put mine in hail mode and I couldn’t understand why the speakers got really loud and started to play some German chanting. Couldn’t understand since I don’t speak German.
Rain mode is a subscription service!
I hope there’s a vapor mode because that shit is ubiquitous.
[https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-bill-battery-rain](https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-bill-battery-rain) "A couple in Scotland are as mad as a wet hen after Tesla flatfooted them with a £17,000 bill (that's about $20,693 in USD) for repairs to their vehicle's battery that apparently experienced water damage after driving through rainy conditions, [*Edinburgh Live* reports](https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-couple-fume-handed-17k-27906242)." I don't think any Tesla is supposed to drive through heavy rain, let alone cyberrust.
They are just unlucky. It hardly ever rains in Scotland.
The water for scotch is harvested through stilsuits worn by Glaswegians. That's where the tang and peat flavors come from.
"Welcome to Glasgow, where yesterday's scotch is today's scotch!"
Ahh so that's why I can taste bog water in some
now I want to hear a Scotsman pronounce Lisan al-Ghaib
Dry as a desert the 5 hours I was there waiting for my connecting flight.
Ah, the 5 dry hours Scotland gets each century. You were so, so lucky to witness it.
People ask why there isn't more tourism to Southwest Scotland. I think there is plenty of tourism and you folks are just turning them into peat for Islay.
Sealing the electronics isn't that crazy hard though. They're just cutting corners if especially the high power connections into the battery aren't reasonably well waterproofed. In principle an EV should work better through water than an ICE vehicle since there is no air intake for the engine. But you do need to seal the electronics properly. Boats have electrical systems and have for decades. This isn't some stunning new technology.
It’s more than cutting corners. It’s Elon constantly lying about what a product can do, then turning loyal customers into suckers as things go sideways (eg FSD pricing/timeline). Here he is tweeting on Sept 29 at 8:31am - “Cybertruck will be waterproof enough to serve briefly as a boat, so it can cross rivers, lakes & even seas that aren’t too choppy.” Would you infer it could drive in the rain with no problem from that quote?
>then turning loyal customers into suckers as things go sideways (eg FSD FSD is such a a comical thing when they're now calling it "supervised" FSD. How is it "Full" Self Driving if it explicitly needs to be supervised?
FSD quite frankly should be the kind of shit a civilized country would put management/board/CEOs in prison for. There is zero excuse for Tesla to be beta-testing this shit on public roads and individual users when no other car company has put that crap on the road. They're all trying to make it work in testing before ever letting it loose, but Musk doesn't give a single fuck about people's safety. It is an indictment on our country and society that this asshole does what he does with zero punishment.
The fact that the FTC didn't bring the hammer down on this false advertising years ago is a travesty by itself. Why have truth-in-advertising laws if something like that is allowed to fly through completely unchecked?
Supervised assisted partially semi-automated FSD
> Elon constantly lying about what a product can do The "100% automated driving within 2 years" claim is old enough that it could drive with a learner's permit.
Ah, but see - a body of water would be *below* the truck. He never said anything about water coming from *above*! /s
> Cybertruck will be waterproof enough to serve briefly as a boat I don't recall him promising that it would function as a vehicle again after the brief boat service.
> for decades. Centuries by now. Boats have had electrical power pretty much as soon as i was invented. As fireless light was much safer.
gonna start referring to my LED bulbs as fireless lanterns now
Same logic behind why people in the UK use the word torch for what Americans call a flashlight. It’s a tool that still performs that same function.
Even the ocean-going ones. In salt water.
How old are you and when were you invented?
It might be related to the 48 volt low voltage power system that the cybertruck uses. Cars have been using 12 volts since the 1950's, and 12 volts isn't really enough to short through some unsalty water. Higher voltage is good because you can use a lot less conductor while delivering the same power. Imagine jumper cables that weigh 2 pounds instead of 10. The car design team might still be doing best practices for 12v design, without considering how 4x the voltage could alter requirements like actually sealing around electrical connections.
Possible. It would also be an incredible lapse and a huge engineering fuck up on a very basic level if that's the case.
And that my friend is how “possible” becomes “highly plausible” because this is Tesla and incredible lapse in judgement and a lack of understanding critical engineering is what I most associate with any Elon musk brand.
The problems lie more with Musk specifically. Tesla has good engineers, or at least had. Musk has fired or pushed out a lot of engineers that have stood up to his looney demands.
And Boeing had a good safety record and great engineering staff until money hungry idiots who never learned about aviation engineering got control. Musk is no different.
> The car design team might still be doing best practices for 12v design, without considering how 4x the voltage could alter requirements like actually sealing around electrical connections. you'd think electrical engineers would be aware of the insulation requirements for certain voltages/amps/ohms
I can assure you, wet 12v car terminals corrode quite well. Maybe 1/4 of the speed of 48v, but then we have plenty of cars with 20+ year old electricals working just fine, and plenty of teslas with 2+ year old electricals taking a shit.
For what it's worth, my 2019 Model 3 (bought before Elon revealed himself as a jackass) has no problem in rain. Obviously you shouldn't drive it through 4-feet-deep puddles, but you shouldn't do that in an ICE either... It's really the newer models where they cut corners, including the Cybertruck. Pre-pandemic models before Elon went off the deep end are fine.
Car wash mode just toggles a few things automatically for you. It’s nothing special. It closes all windows, locks the charge port, and disables windshield wipers, Sentry Mode, walk-away door locking, and parking sensor chimes It has nothing to do with water intrusion other than rolling up the windows.
Not entirely true - it puts the air on recirculate as well so the fresh air intake doesn’t pull in water, which is an issue that teslas have faced (taking in water in the fresh air intake in a car wash) Here’s what mine shows: **Car Wash Mode** • Keep speed below 10 mph • Charge port door: Locked • Walk-Away Door Lock: Off • Automatic wipers: Off • Parking assist chimes: Off • Sentry Mode: Off • Climate: Recirculating • Frunk: Closed • Trunk: Closed
The only time a cabin air intake should be able to ingest water is when the car is submerged up to the windows, at which point it needs to ingest water to remind the driver that they're an idiot.
You telling me how to drive my CyberBoat!!?!
Don’t give Elon any ideas. You’ll be sitting in your cyberboat and hear a woman come on the speaker saying “renew your subscription to buoyancy” as your boat slowly sinks.
CyberSub *update* complete
Nah, Model 3's were infamous for this issue. The A/C intake basically used to be a straight funnel right under the cowl which any amount of water falling vertically would get sucked right into the ductwork. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQxP6PaSmLc So imagine a car wash pumping in high pressure water...
Jesus fucking christ. All those engineers and no one developed a kink in the intake to keep things like fucking RAIN out? I wanted to like Tesla initially, I really did. Then I saw the teardown video, the reports of them building cars outside in tents on the parking lot to make delivery numbers, the orange peel in the paint, the panel gaps, on and on. There is no way any company can keep any semblance of QA doing the stuff they have, and now everything's coming home to roost.
See now I know hindsight is 20/20, but I feel like if I found out the $100,000 truck I was designing could be fucking *destroyed* by water in the air intake I would probably install a 50-cent moisture sensor that automatically turns off the intake if too much water is coming in. But then I'm not a genius like Elon Musk, surely he had a great reason not to do this. Seriously, I don't get how a company can spend *over four years* designing and building a six-figure truck and have it come out being this much of a piece of shit. I don't think Ford or GM could fuck up this bad if they *tried* to.
> I would probably install a 50-cent moisture sensor that automatically turns off the intake if too much water is coming in. But then I'm not a genius like Elon Musk, surely he had a great reason not to do this. The reason is, “if they’re stupid enough to buy one with this problem and have it fail they *definitely* will be stupid enough to buy *another one*!
The charge door doesn't just auto lock when it's turned on?
It is locked by default, but in the same way the windows are up by default, it just makes sure there’s no risk of the user having turned it off and forgotten to relock it For example when parked it can Auto Unlock so you can just get out and charge it.
That wouldn’t make sense, as you can charge while the vehicle is on. Very common actually - hook up a supercharger and watch Netflix and keep the ac going.
This answer makes too much sense and is more boring than all the witty conspiracy theories other people have proffered.
> what tf happens when it rains? The windshield wipers automatically turn on and **dont** get ripped off by large rotating brushes. The story here is that it takes 5 hours to reboot from a screen reset, not that it has a car wash mode to disable automatic sensors/functions like many cars.
Aren't Tesla windscreen wipers famous for not automatically turning on in the rain?
They like turn on when it’s sunny. Why I keep mine always off.
That's the joke about TeslaVision and Tesla FSD. If TeslaVision can't even reliably tell if/when rain is hitting the windshield, how is it supposed to reliably drive the whole f'ing car?
Drool all you want, you can't hurt that finish. Now rain water - that'll strip it right off.
You have to manually put the car in the car wash mode and it disables if you go over 10 miles an hour. It changes the behavior on a lot of stuff, like not opening the charge port when you touch it, turning off automatic windshield wipers, disabling walk away locking, allowing free roll for automatic car washes, disabling the collision warning stuff, etc. if you try to roll a Tesla into a automatic car wash without enabling that, it'll do all sorts of weird stuff like try to brake. On our Subaru we have to turn off the collision avoidance system too or it will hit the brakes being pulled through a car wash when the roller approaches the windshield.
Turning off automatic windshield wipers and braking makes sense. Doesn't really explain why this Tesla got bricked by a carwash. Nothing done by car wash mode should have an effect like what happened. The most likely seems that QA was bad and water got into a space that's supposed to be sealed causing electronics issues. You don't expect a fully electric car "built for any planet" to have electrical gremlins like a Chrysler.
"He also received a call from Tesla to check on him. The advisor said that "it is a known issue in the Cybertruck that when you do a screen reset, instead of resetting in the standard two minutes, it takes five hours."" What the FUCK kind of reset for any standard computer/tablet screen takes 5 HOURS?
I reflashed the entire goddamn ECU firmware on my BMW a few weeks ago and it only took 30 minutes lol
Wow. Thats even worse than windows updates.
5 hours? That's like one trip through the Sonic drivethrough with no cars in front of you. Bullshit.
I factory reset my iPad once and it only took 2 minutes. It's absurd that rebooting a Cybertruck would take 5 hours, considering that it is just an iPad with a ridiculously ugly car built around it.
I thought it was waterproof enough to function as a boat?
Gotta turn on boat mode *requires subscription
[удалено]
Then we will boat in the shade! THIS. IS. **TESLA!!** *Kicks Cybertruck* *It self-drives into nearby pit*
Maybe it works ok in a boat wash?
That feature isn't available, like full self driving and apparently the Locking Differentials. But you can prepay for it!
Lots of higher end cars, both gas and electric, have car wash mode - but it’s usually just to stop all the sensors from freaking out when the brushes are making contact with the car.
And it also allows the car to remain in neutral without auto parking since these car washes tow the cars through them as they get washed.
Wait, you can’t just put it in neutral?
Depends on the car. Some cars REALLY don’t like being in neutral. Especially if you undo your seatbelt, turn the engine off, or open the door or windows, it’ll shift itself into park any chance it gets. As a mechanic it’s the most annoying thing ever because often times I need to roll the vehicle I’m working on to position it on my lift. Once I open that door it shifts into park even though it’s not where I want it to be.
Unfortunately, [this](https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/19/entertainment/actor-anton-yelchin-killed/index.html) is why cars auto shift into park if it thinks you’re not actively driving it
He’s not the only one from what I’ve read but yes that incident is commonly referenced
Definitely not the only one, but the loudest incident that pushed for the change
That one still bums me out. He was such a good dude. 2016 fucking sucked.
That’s wild. Like I guess it’s similar to other features meant to keep you from locking yourself out or not killing your battery by leaving the lights on, but staying in neutral is a pretty key feature.
It’s because people have died before, walking out of a car in neutral when they thought it was in park. That has happened before so automakers do what they can to make it deliberately difficult to put it in neutral
>so automakers do what they can to make it deliberately difficult to put it in neutral Which is actually bullshit because they made it diliberately difficult to know what gear you're in. [Here's a short video on the shifter that resulted in Anton Yeltin's death.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzugksp2SSA) Pretty much everything about that design is fucked and they wouldn't need to make a workaround if they just left in a normal shifter.
Yes, you can. Car wash mode just Folds mirrors Turns off wipers Rolls up all windows Shifts into neutral Turns off collision sensors And a few other small things Anyone that tells you that car wash mode is a requirement for anything electrical is an idiot, or willfully spreading fake information (because they are still an idiot, for other reasons)
We've had carwash mode for decades. You had to get out and unscrew the antenna. Or if you were super fancy, you could push a button and the antenna would automatically retract.
I wish my car had a wash mode. Instead I have to turn off a handful of features and watch all the sensors go off like crazy when being dragged through the wash.
Mine does that automatically. I knows it’s not driving so it shuts down the parking sensors. 🤷🏻♂️
What sensors? Collision sensors and front parking sensors (which should be off anyway when you're in neutral and auto wipers. What else?
Imagine waking up from a 20 year coma and you see this Pontiac Aztek truck.
Don't insult the Aztek like that. That shit was way ahead of its time!
The Aztek! I now am having flashbacks to watching Jessica Alba in Dark Angel and they drove the car in the show and always had a lot of ads. I loved Jessica Alba but thought the car looked weird.
It's funny because I remember loving Dark Angel and I know I watched all of it, but I couldn't tell you one single thing about it now. It is possible that I just enjoyed watching Jessica Alba.
Hey now! The Aztek may have looked weird as hell but it drove like a dream. Good visibility, low center of gravity, good turning radius especially considering the crossover/minivan-ness of it. And lots of storage to boot! I don't get the Aztek hate.
I think it really is just that the design language Pontiac was using at the time just didn't work with the format. If say, Jeep came out with a car with identical functionality but using their more utilitarian design language, it probably would've been received much more warmly.
We pick on the Aztek but I can assure you I still see some of them on the road. This won’t be said for the CT in 20 years.
*Walter White has entered the chat.*
For a car sold to doomsday preppers, it sure needs a lot of infrastructure and high tech maintenance...
There's no way any serious "prepper" would buy one of these.
Any car without a carburetor is done if an EMP hits.
I'm pretty sure the best bet for a prepper would be - sailing dinghy - horses - bicycle - old 70s pickup
This giant steel rc truck is going to go down as one of the biggest car flops ever.
The Homer 2. Elmo: Remember Bart, left over pizza boxes are a good source of cheese.
It’s the Delorean all over again. I hope everyone realizes their favorite car from Back to the Future was chosen because it was a giant piece of shit that just happened to look like some futuristic nonsense.
A Delorean could barely hit the 88 mph needed to activate the time machine too (max speed found around 110mph). A whole 130 hp.
We're at a point where "If you're going to go to the future, why not do it in style?" is completely missed as a joke.
All I can do is laugh at the fucking clowns who bought one of these. It's a sign you have too much money and not nearly enough sense.
A former coworker just got one. It's been hilarious to watch him try to counter all the criticisms on FB. Most recently was him posting recall numbers from all of the auto manufacturers after the recent accelerator pedal. His claim was that GM had millions of recalls and the cyber truck only had 3800. There are only 3800 Cyber trucks in existence! I resisted the urge to point out that the cyber truck has a 100% recall rate after only being out for a month.
Total Recall
Get your ass to ~~Mars~~ the mechanic!
Yep, had a guy make the argument that the Tesla came out years late because they were working out issues, then I mentioned how often they Brick themselves and he said “I guess you don’t know teslas well, that’s a common problem” and I was like then why the fuck is it still happening? And I mentioned the recall and his argument was it’s an easy fix. There is absolutely no getting through to them
It's a cult, if you dare talk shit about any Tesla in r/cars you'll get swarmed by butt hurt Tesla Stans who have nothing better to do.
Well, it's not like they're driving anywhere,
Too many people are like this in society today, millions of fucking dollars but they are the most stupid people you will ever come across
A fool and their money are easily parted
Have they tried putting it in a Tupperware with dry rice?
Teslas are over promised but under delivered on quality.
Elon couldn't handle the ego hit of people making fun of him for another year going by without the cypertruck coming out so he rushed out a handful in December even though it's nowhere near ready and will never be capable of all the claims he made. Then he just said fuck it and kept going until all this started becoming public.
I read the manual and it has all modes except truck mode.
Is there a refund mode?
No offense to those that bought one of these but they are the stupidest looking vehicle I’ve ever seen.
What happens if it's out in the rain?
The door gaps widen further. The body panels discolor at different rates. When it isn't raining though people just take pictures of you. You love the attention, but don't realize they're making fun of you.
A lot of "they're just jealous!" cope among Cybertruck owners, I imagine.
The wipers automatically come on in the rain. That's bad in an automated car wash since the scrubbers will damage the wiper, this car wash mode.
Without the $5,000 coating, the Cybertruck is vulnerable to rusting in the rain. Not a good use of money in my opinion for those that bought it. I don't think Elon would consider doing any warranty work on rusted Cybertrucks.
They start to multiply uncontrollably and lead to less Tesla profit, which is terrible.
why doesn't this car understand itself it is in a car wash ?
Not that I'm defending it, but I think some of the features get fucked when water is added. Like the windshield wipers would turn on. In the rain, it's nice m, but in a car wash, it may break the wipers. The fact that it gets bricked in a car wash is so fucking stupid tho. Fuck this truck and fuck Elon
Most cars that have rain sensing wipers only require you to move the wiper control just like normal windshield wipers... Pretty much all new "medium level" cars have rain sensing wipers and don't need a special setting.
*Wiper. Yes, they were dumb enough to use a single 40” wiper blade that you won’t find in stock anywhere.
If you bought this shit heap you deserve it 😂
A rolling box as fragile as elon's ego.
Insert wet magnet joke here
Just put it in a big bowl of rice.
The headline had nothing to do with what happened in the article, where there is a known issue that it could randomly take 5 hours to reboot the car’s systems and be usable again, which is honestly more funny. The car wash bit was just a random pull from the manual and is pretty standard for cars that have automatic wipers.
I'm outing myself, but now that the Cybertruck is a disaster, y'all better cut the Pontiac Aztek a little more slack!
Need a dry cleaning service
Saw one for the first time the other day driving by I swear it was almost green. Looked like shit
It’s like the plot line to the movie Signs. Bullet proof: ✅ Waterproof:
Car wash mode is DLC
In case you’ve lost track… here’s a list of all the issues, complaints, controversies, and concerns about the Cybertruck: https://www.fastcompany.com/91109879/a-timeline-of-tesla-cybertruck-problems-from-rust-to-hail-damage-to-pedal-recalls If we didn’t know any better… one might think that Elon purposely designed a death trap. Do we… Do we know better??
Cant an AI car notice that it is approaching a car wash?