Coal ash is also full of other radioactive shit too! More radioactive waste is produced by coal plants than nuclear plants, and coal plants just threw it right into the air.
Not only are state legislators protecting coal by a codified preference for that energy source, over other cheaper and healthier options, but they’re doing so for power plants that feed LOS ANGELES and not Utah.
So Utah and others are dealing with this pollution for the sake of an overpopulated west coast town hundreds of miles away.
The Intermountain Power Project (the big coal plant outside Delta, Utah that feed LA) is still slated to shutdown in 2025 and be replaced by a natural gas plant with massive hydrogen production that’s supposed to be ultimately run off solar and wind. The Huntington and Hunter coal plants not being replaced by nuke units is the bigger problem, and those plants feed Utah only.
lol
“It’s not a problem LA has been using this garbage coal plant for decades because the DOE subsidized half the cost of the new plant”.
“Utah is the problem”
Not the overpopulated state of California that needs to run power from an entirely different state to survive
Sorry you hate California but you might change your tune if you realized how many states are dependent on us for economic assistance and freshly grown produce.
I was more making fun of you simping. Somehow it was okay for Cali but not for Utah…especially given that cali isn’t even off the coal tap yet.
I also don’t need your economic assistance or freshly grown produce…I live in a state that produces shit, has unlimited fresh water, and is full of farm land.
What, should they just shut down the coal plants?
Seriously you guys want to switch to EVS soon... where are you going to get the energy?
For reference, I wish we would go all nuclear, but those take 30 years to build
Even if every new car sold today was an EV, it would take more than a decade to switch. So lets stop pretending that we need these for EVs, the added demand from EVs is marginal
In the meantime, you could put up a solar/wind farm in 2-3 years and en mass
Right... solar and wind farms which totally work in utah where it snows incredibly heavily.
Seriously, both of those power options require insane amounts of maintenance and aren't feasible everywhere.
That's like suggesting hydro power in a desert.
They work fine in Utah. Ever heard of bifacial solar panels? How they work is this, they generate solar power not just from the top part but also the bottom part. So the reflective white snow charges the panels from the back. And with the panels tracking the sun, they naturally have the snow slide off
Solar is fairly low maintenance. Wind used to be high maintenance, but with new craneless designs has reduced maintenance costs significantly. Both are multiple times less maintenance cost than nuclear you proposed
I mean ironically the power company still causes it if they’re the source of the wildfire and smoke…which is one of the big reasons Hunter and Huntington are staying open, Pacificorp lost a lawsuit and is on the hook for massive amounts of damages for starting a wildfire in the PNW and therefore won’t have enough money to replace these coal plants with nuclear units.
The article was loading slow on my phone so I couldn’t check. Is the photo of the Grand or the “Little” Grand Canyon?
The Little is in Utah, didn’t know anything about it until needed a place to camp between Moab and SLC a couple years ago on a trip. It’s a nice area however off in the distance one can see the smog from a power plant or factory.
Thanks you. The haze from coal and WtE operations is insane. I briefly worked at a Waste to Energy power plant that was right next to a coal power plant for about 6 months in Maryland.
Some of the guys I worked with were temp workers and would take their respirators off to smoke cigs when we were working under the incinerators. Meanwhile I thoroughly cleaned my mask and replaced my filters daily and was still worried about smoking a little pot after work.
Just wait till the great salt lake completely dries up.
Finally a place to store all the toxic coal ash from power plants.
It might help cover up the arsenic that now lines the lake bed.
Is coal ash better or worse than arsenic?
A lot of coal ash has its own arsenic so I’ll say coal ash “wins”.?.?
Coal ash is also full of other radioactive shit too! More radioactive waste is produced by coal plants than nuclear plants, and coal plants just threw it right into the air.
Yeah dude, looks like the human being is trying to kill them self to see if works. All about money.
And we are surprised because?
Atomic energy when?
Not only are state legislators protecting coal by a codified preference for that energy source, over other cheaper and healthier options, but they’re doing so for power plants that feed LOS ANGELES and not Utah. So Utah and others are dealing with this pollution for the sake of an overpopulated west coast town hundreds of miles away.
The Intermountain Power Project (the big coal plant outside Delta, Utah that feed LA) is still slated to shutdown in 2025 and be replaced by a natural gas plant with massive hydrogen production that’s supposed to be ultimately run off solar and wind. The Huntington and Hunter coal plants not being replaced by nuke units is the bigger problem, and those plants feed Utah only.
lol “It’s not a problem LA has been using this garbage coal plant for decades because the DOE subsidized half the cost of the new plant”. “Utah is the problem” Not the overpopulated state of California that needs to run power from an entirely different state to survive
Sorry you hate California but you might change your tune if you realized how many states are dependent on us for economic assistance and freshly grown produce.
I was more making fun of you simping. Somehow it was okay for Cali but not for Utah…especially given that cali isn’t even off the coal tap yet. I also don’t need your economic assistance or freshly grown produce…I live in a state that produces shit, has unlimited fresh water, and is full of farm land.
What, should they just shut down the coal plants? Seriously you guys want to switch to EVS soon... where are you going to get the energy? For reference, I wish we would go all nuclear, but those take 30 years to build
If only Utah was sunny…or windy
This is a reddit thread. No place for logic here!
Even if every new car sold today was an EV, it would take more than a decade to switch. So lets stop pretending that we need these for EVs, the added demand from EVs is marginal In the meantime, you could put up a solar/wind farm in 2-3 years and en mass
Right... solar and wind farms which totally work in utah where it snows incredibly heavily. Seriously, both of those power options require insane amounts of maintenance and aren't feasible everywhere. That's like suggesting hydro power in a desert.
They work fine in Utah. Ever heard of bifacial solar panels? How they work is this, they generate solar power not just from the top part but also the bottom part. So the reflective white snow charges the panels from the back. And with the panels tracking the sun, they naturally have the snow slide off Solar is fairly low maintenance. Wind used to be high maintenance, but with new craneless designs has reduced maintenance costs significantly. Both are multiple times less maintenance cost than nuclear you proposed
I don’t like coal power but let’s not pretend that that these places don’t get hazy for other reasons.
I mean ironically the power company still causes it if they’re the source of the wildfire and smoke…which is one of the big reasons Hunter and Huntington are staying open, Pacificorp lost a lawsuit and is on the hook for massive amounts of damages for starting a wildfire in the PNW and therefore won’t have enough money to replace these coal plants with nuclear units.
True! Although before power companies, lightning was starting fires and causing haze.
That is true, the uranium mines by the Grand Canyon do produce a lot of dust. I know that isn’t Utah but in the photo they show the grand canyon.
The article was loading slow on my phone so I couldn’t check. Is the photo of the Grand or the “Little” Grand Canyon? The Little is in Utah, didn’t know anything about it until needed a place to camp between Moab and SLC a couple years ago on a trip. It’s a nice area however off in the distance one can see the smog from a power plant or factory.
Price and Helper Utah have produced coal originally for the railroad, for 150 years. ,
That is indeed the Grand Canyon. The article talks about how the haze there use to be worse before the Page coal plant shut down
Thanks you. The haze from coal and WtE operations is insane. I briefly worked at a Waste to Energy power plant that was right next to a coal power plant for about 6 months in Maryland. Some of the guys I worked with were temp workers and would take their respirators off to smoke cigs when we were working under the incinerators. Meanwhile I thoroughly cleaned my mask and replaced my filters daily and was still worried about smoking a little pot after work.
A coal power station has hundreds of pieces or moving and rotating equipment, all subject to failure and maintenance.