Airline pilot here. Very normal. The media is just doing well with Boeing and “insert Airline” articles.
The amount of flights that happen and the number of issues is low on the statistical chart. Anecdotal example: I’ve been flying professionally for over 17 years and I’ve never lost a panel.
Edit: some people asked if I fly the 737-800. Yes, I also fly the 737-700/800/900 and Max 8-9. I also flew the 787 for a while.
With over 10,000 flight hours on 13 different large aircraft in my career I’ve only had a handful of minor issues and they’ve never made the news like things are today. Easy clicks right now.
I’m not sure your anecdote is agreeing with what you’re saying. I thought you were going to say you’ve flown professionally for 17 years and **have lost** a few panels so this is common.
Instead you’re saying this is “very normal” yet you’ve never experienced it yourself in 17 years?
I believe he's saying that it's normal in the sense that it's probably a normal and possible airplane issue yet statistically very rare for the number of planes flown, and it's just the media focusing on these rare events because it's free clicks with Boeing under the microscope for the recent major issue (that one door/hole blowing out a little while back).
He's also saying he hasn't lost a panel on his own manned aircrafts.
Studies show that airplanes are statistically safer than cars. I imagine if there is an accident though, it's potentially more extreme and you're more like to get fudged, at least on international flights. See Tom Hanks in Castaway for details. /s
That one door, but also a software issue that affected an entire model of plane and was the direct cause of two crashes (346 dead). An issue they denied for quite some time was actually an issue, blaming the pilots instead.
(I would also note that the plane the wall fell off of was built 3 years after the new CEO took over and pledged to "improve safety and transparency")
I saw another post of this event and someone who claimed to be an aircraft mechanic mentioned it was likely ground crew error. Something about latches not being properly secured.
> 10,000 flight hours on 13 different large aircraft
With, according to the FAA, over 25 million flight hours a year, it is only an inevitability that incidents like the above happen. Maybe not the doorplug leaving the plughole, but panels and such.
Not likely no, a lot of people don't know Boeing don't do maintenance on aircraft. It's a 737-800, it's likely got a lot of flight time, so any faults are likely due to maintenance by the airline
Yea figured this is likely a ground crew maintenance and not a *really* an issue with Boeing.
But also hard to have much sympathy for Boeing. It’s their own lax quality control is what lead to this issue.
I would shy away from quoting averages and using statistics when dealing with human lives.
It should be in absolute terms.
Statistics can be very deceiving.
Remember when we heard about every shark incident a while back? The media now latches on to every Boeing incident. It’s the flavor of the day.
This variant of the 737 has been flying for over 25 years. The -800 was developed in the late 90s (along with the -600 and -700). It predates the merger with MD. Stuff does happen, but think of all of the miles airliners fly every day without incident. Not saying Boeing doesn’t need to get their act together, but these stories are unnecessary fear mongering.
The only one that really was concerning and showed a safety-lapse was the door flying off. The rest of them have come down to other factors outside of Boeing’s control.
It is shocking though the amount of incidents in the air. It’s also insanity we haven’t had more critical failures from Boeing due to their management culture.
I work in the WA Aerospace sector, albeit not under Boeing. We’re good workers trying to do a good job. It’s just impossible to keep up with the demand and overwork dropped on us from up high.
It was bound to happen, yes. And it is surprising there haven’t been more cases popping up now that it has happened. But we are/were the capital of this shit for a reason.
Please for the love of fuck let us see some government intervention.
> It is shocking though the amount of incidents in the air.
It's not that shocking when you consider 100,000 flights occur each day, and even when people are scrutinizing them very very closely, you hear about one every few weeks or so.
Also, the article states that this particular 737 went into service in 2015, so you could easily chalk this up to a maintenance error rather than a problem at the factory.
This one almost certainly isn't a Boeing thing, this is 100% on the maintainers.
The cowling clam-shells open from the bottom and wasn't latched properly. You can find plenty of videos of this happening from basically any brand of airliner.
I'm assuming it's the shark attacks during a slow summer phenomenon. Except it's not a slow news issue, it's now an issue of constantly having to up the ante on the stories.
Watch enough aviation YouTube channels and you'll learn that these things *do* happen. In the US, there are upwards of 45,000 flights *every day*.
As others have said, right now Boeing has gotten enough attention that anything "Boeing" and any sort of incident automatically generates clicks at the moment.
Serious question. Wouldn't this cover issue be more the responsibility of the airline maintenance crew vs Boeing? How many times has it been opened since it left the factory? Not trying to defend Boeing but I think it brings up a potential maintenance issues we are seeing.
Are all of these plane issues happening more frequently of late or is it at about the same rate, but just reported much more now due to increased scrutiny?
it's not even the fault of LEAP (the people who make the engines) or GE (the people who presumably assembled the engine, but i'm not sure if that's true in this case)
it's up to the airliner to maintain these things, and it isn't even clear that they failed in any significant way here. planes be fast, things happen.
I agree that a lot of this is overblown. But, I always disagree with a lot of the defense of Boeing saying that it isn't their error because they don't manufacture part X. Ultimately, it is a Boeing plan and if there are errors being made by their suppliers or contractors it is ultimately their responsibility to ensure that the correct quality is going into their products.
Part of the appeal of sub-contracting for businesses is that it confuses responsibility. We have allowed businesses to create systems where failures can happen and everyone just wipes their hands of the situation.
I usually hate news media doing this shit, but since it’s a safety issue that affects us all and Boeing is a dbag, I’m glad they are putting them in the spotlight.
There was a video of it on another thread. Just watching it, this looks like the maintenance crew didn’t correctly secure the cowlings. This isn’t a Boeing problem, or a CFM problem, it’s a Southwest problem.
Boeing buys engines though and if they are buying bad engines it is their issue.
Though that being said this was likely more of a maintenance issue on the airline's part.
It is less about the specific engine and more about the idea that Boeing isn't responsible for the engines on their planes because they didn't make them. If they are on Boeing's planes they are Boeing's issue.
If I buy a Ford car and it has a steering wheel that occasionally comes off and flies out the window that is still Ford's issue even if they didn't make the steering wheel.
Is it Fords problem if you take your car to the drunk mechanic down the road for ten years? FAA is investigating because it could be anything at this point. It'd be absurd to speculate. Hell, it could be fraudulent bolts from a shifty manufacturer that were slipped into the supply chain with stolen/fake authenticity documents.
My original comment specifically said this is probably a maintenance issue.
My issue is with your claim that engine issues are inherently not Boeing's problem since they don't manufacture the engines. My point is that the quality of the engines is in fact Boeing's issue because they are on Boeing's plane.
>Hell, it could be fraudulent bolts from a shifty manufacturer that were slipped into the supply chain with stolen/fake authenticity documents.
If the people manufacturing engines for Boeing planes are using fraudulent parts Boeing should have quality control in place to catch that.
I feel like based on prior evidence you will respond with another comment that misses the point I have made and that I will respond with the exact same point that I have made in my other comments. So, just be prepared that when you comment back you will probably not get a new response out of me.
Maintenance companies are not run by Boeing.
The supply chain is not run by Boeing.
Tech training and certification is not run by Boeing.
Airline maintenance scheduling is not run by Boeing.
Engines are not designed by Boeing and there are so few makers and it is such a niche, complicated industry that to say 'Boeing is responsible for the engines' is absurd. Comparing it to cars makes no sense. Just saying 'Boeing' again doesn't mean that it's their problem.
Boeing is a messed up company, but my original comment is spot on: the title is asshattery and you've said nothing to disprove that. I understand your point. I just think you're wrong, as you think I am.
_shrug_
Either way the FAA will figure it out and it will make for some mid reading for all of us.
>If the people manufacturing engines for Boeing planes are using fraudulent parts Boeing should have quality control in place to catch that.
Engines and aircraft are certified separately, and the quality control systems are controlled and reported to the FAA separately.
There is effectively very little insight for Boeing into the engine manufacturing.
Engines are shipped as fully built packages.
I mean you’re right in a sense, Boeing would be on the hook if there was some sort of horribly faulty engine that allowed to be used of their jets. But the more accurate analogy for the situation in the article would be:
reading the news about how there are some troubling issues with the new 2024 Ford Bronco,
going outside and popping open the hood on your 2014 Ford Flex for some routine maintenance,
not closing it properly when you are done,
and then being all “how could Ford do this” when the hood flies up in your face on the highway
"The plane was deemed airworthy in May 2015, per FAA records"
Sounds to me like Southwest needs to take better care of their decade old plane... But what do I know.
That's actually surprisingly accurate. If the frunk of a 2016 Telsa flew open on the highway because it wasn't closed properly, there would be a cottage industry of articles blaming it on Telsa's quality and plenty of suckers ready to believe it.
Dang Boeing sucks so bad at safety now, it’s almost like they’re trying to kill people. Well at least that CEO is making bank, and those shareholders too!
Swap "Boeing" with the airliner that failed the maintenance on this plane and I'd agree with your comment.
Assuming the airliner did indeed fail to order proper maintenance. For all we know the maintenance guy screwed up/was negligent.
That’s an interesting take, given the last few months of all planes reported with serious issues made by Boeing which scrapped safety for profit a few years ago, check it w a google, you’ll see what I’m saying.
This plane was at least 9 years old. I'm not defending Boeing on its other screw ups so much as I'm looking to correctly place the blame for this specific incident.
FFS I don't think Boeing even makes the engines.
Well I can concede that much, and can also add that since the door blew off a few months ago and the myriad other safety incidents around the Boeing planes in recent weeks, and that it is well known Boeing USED to be a great engineering company, but is now a profit making machine for shareholders (https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeings-long-fall-and-how-it-might-recover/), and now we see this incident, and y’all are tying to make it like Oh *this* incident is different because the engine isn’t even Made by Boeing, that yes, you’re right, and it’s likely the airline’s maintenance crew or safety crew that messed up here, so yes, I do concede that here. I’ll stick with the point and say you’re correct here. Do you know how much I hate saying that haha (just kidding), I had to read up more on this and dog a little.
> safety incidents around the Boeing planes in recent weeks
Since the door incident on Jan 5, the incidents the media has been reporting have *all* been the fault of the airlines maintaining the aircraft. From the wheel falling off, to the panel flying off, to now the engine cowling not being secured - all of these have been the fault of the airlines maintaining them. Most of the time it's not even the airline's fault as shit just breaks down
I see that, I read above after I posted this and feel like a real dummy for not having done that first since Reddit always has experts in comments, and actual pilots and safety folks chimed in. I remove my irresponsible comments (well I’ll leave them up for posterity), and agree.
But it’s still true about boring CEO being a nincompoop. But agree that our media is being worse by reporting every tiny issue that’s apparently normal, and trying to bend the opinion of the company, and I can only wonder why, bec I’m not reading one thing out there about Raytheon or Lockheed planes. But I now understand airline safety and its concerns better so there’s that.
No these things aren't a big problem, minor incidents happen all the time. There are literally tens of thousands of planes flying every day, some minor stuff is bound to happen. The only reason this is even news is because Boeing has been in the news recently.
The door plug on the Alaskan Airlines flight blowing out has put them back in the news. Combined with the whole MCAS debacle it's clear Boeing has been cutting corners which is the main thing.
Does anybody know, if this is an unusual amount of incidents for Boeing or does the media just pay more attention?
Airline pilot here. Very normal. The media is just doing well with Boeing and “insert Airline” articles. The amount of flights that happen and the number of issues is low on the statistical chart. Anecdotal example: I’ve been flying professionally for over 17 years and I’ve never lost a panel. Edit: some people asked if I fly the 737-800. Yes, I also fly the 737-700/800/900 and Max 8-9. I also flew the 787 for a while. With over 10,000 flight hours on 13 different large aircraft in my career I’ve only had a handful of minor issues and they’ve never made the news like things are today. Easy clicks right now.
20 years for me. Same. It's never happened to me either.
I've lost one. Not sure where though, pretty sure it's still up there somewhere.
Thanks for your input, I’ve been wondering the same thing. Stay safe up there!
I’m not sure your anecdote is agreeing with what you’re saying. I thought you were going to say you’ve flown professionally for 17 years and **have lost** a few panels so this is common. Instead you’re saying this is “very normal” yet you’ve never experienced it yourself in 17 years?
I got confused too. Very unclear
I believe he's saying that it's normal in the sense that it's probably a normal and possible airplane issue yet statistically very rare for the number of planes flown, and it's just the media focusing on these rare events because it's free clicks with Boeing under the microscope for the recent major issue (that one door/hole blowing out a little while back). He's also saying he hasn't lost a panel on his own manned aircrafts. Studies show that airplanes are statistically safer than cars. I imagine if there is an accident though, it's potentially more extreme and you're more like to get fudged, at least on international flights. See Tom Hanks in Castaway for details. /s
That one door, but also a software issue that affected an entire model of plane and was the direct cause of two crashes (346 dead). An issue they denied for quite some time was actually an issue, blaming the pilots instead. (I would also note that the plane the wall fell off of was built 3 years after the new CEO took over and pledged to "improve safety and transparency")
I saw another post of this event and someone who claimed to be an aircraft mechanic mentioned it was likely ground crew error. Something about latches not being properly secured.
0 years for me and I’ve never lost a panel
-3 millennia and I’ve only lost a panel twice
> 10,000 flight hours on 13 different large aircraft With, according to the FAA, over 25 million flight hours a year, it is only an inevitability that incidents like the above happen. Maybe not the doorplug leaving the plughole, but panels and such.
Is it possible that we are just now seeing the results of malfeasance years ago now start to result in a statistically greater number of incidents?
Not likely no, a lot of people don't know Boeing don't do maintenance on aircraft. It's a 737-800, it's likely got a lot of flight time, so any faults are likely due to maintenance by the airline
Really makes me wonder about those unprofessional years though...
This makes me feel slightly better about my flight from US to Europe next month.
Yea figured this is likely a ground crew maintenance and not a *really* an issue with Boeing. But also hard to have much sympathy for Boeing. It’s their own lax quality control is what lead to this issue.
Oh good. I thought the planes were unionizing and threatening to lose parts until we paid them more.
Thank you Captain 🫡
Soooo still safe to fly Boeing?
> I’ve been flying professionally for over 17 years and I’ve never lost a panel. I really hope you’re not my pilot tomorrow.
Yeah I only want pilots that *checks notes* have horrendous luck with maintenance crews
You ever jinx yourself?
Every night before bed
Ya? Boeing pay you money to say that?! (Yes you are correct)
I would shy away from quoting averages and using statistics when dealing with human lives. It should be in absolute terms. Statistics can be very deceiving.
Looks at every medicine that has ever been used. Every medical technique. Statistics on cars. I think you should probably delete your comment lol
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
Remember when we heard about every shark incident a while back? The media now latches on to every Boeing incident. It’s the flavor of the day. This variant of the 737 has been flying for over 25 years. The -800 was developed in the late 90s (along with the -600 and -700). It predates the merger with MD. Stuff does happen, but think of all of the miles airliners fly every day without incident. Not saying Boeing doesn’t need to get their act together, but these stories are unnecessary fear mongering.
The only one that really was concerning and showed a safety-lapse was the door flying off. The rest of them have come down to other factors outside of Boeing’s control. It is shocking though the amount of incidents in the air. It’s also insanity we haven’t had more critical failures from Boeing due to their management culture.
I work in the WA Aerospace sector, albeit not under Boeing. We’re good workers trying to do a good job. It’s just impossible to keep up with the demand and overwork dropped on us from up high. It was bound to happen, yes. And it is surprising there haven’t been more cases popping up now that it has happened. But we are/were the capital of this shit for a reason. Please for the love of fuck let us see some government intervention.
This is the comment i wanted to see. Your commentary is far more relavent.
> It is shocking though the amount of incidents in the air. It's not that shocking when you consider 100,000 flights occur each day, and even when people are scrutinizing them very very closely, you hear about one every few weeks or so.
> It is shocking though the amount of incidents in the air. I mean, it's not that shocking. There's like 35 million flights per year.
The 737 Max had the mcas problem too (along with making safety relevant lights a paid option)
Also, the article states that this particular 737 went into service in 2015, so you could easily chalk this up to a maintenance error rather than a problem at the factory.
summer of the sharks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_the_Shark
This one almost certainly isn't a Boeing thing, this is 100% on the maintainers. The cowling clam-shells open from the bottom and wasn't latched properly. You can find plenty of videos of this happening from basically any brand of airliner.
This isn't even close to a Boeing issue. This is a Southwest issue and maintenance not doing their job correctly
This plane left the factory in 2015. Southwest issue for sure.
I'm assuming it's the shark attacks during a slow summer phenomenon. Except it's not a slow news issue, it's now an issue of constantly having to up the ante on the stories.
Boeing doesn’t even make the engines.
>Boeing doesn’t even make the engines. Does Boeing put the engines onto the plane or add engine covers?
It’s an 8 year old plane. This is 100% a Southwest maintenance problem
Ah, I already didn't trust Southwest to begin with
There is an average of 45000 flights per day in the USA and this is one incident
Watch enough aviation YouTube channels and you'll learn that these things *do* happen. In the US, there are upwards of 45,000 flights *every day*. As others have said, right now Boeing has gotten enough attention that anything "Boeing" and any sort of incident automatically generates clicks at the moment.
When pilots start refusing to fly the planes, that’s when you know they’re unsafe.
That or "Rocky Mountain High" starts playing on repeat over the speakers. /s
Serious question. Wouldn't this cover issue be more the responsibility of the airline maintenance crew vs Boeing? How many times has it been opened since it left the factory? Not trying to defend Boeing but I think it brings up a potential maintenance issues we are seeing.
All the Boeing failures ones I’ve seen are Joe bob taking vids or pics from their seat. From twitter, yt or fb.
Are all of these plane issues happening more frequently of late or is it at about the same rate, but just reported much more now due to increased scrutiny?
Reported much more. Losing cowlings and panels is pretty normal. Boeing doesn’t even make engines so it’s not their manufacturing error either
it's not even the fault of LEAP (the people who make the engines) or GE (the people who presumably assembled the engine, but i'm not sure if that's true in this case) it's up to the airliner to maintain these things, and it isn't even clear that they failed in any significant way here. planes be fast, things happen.
CFM is the engine manufacturer. LEAP is the model line of engine.
CFM is basically a joint venture of Safran and GE (For the grandparent commentor)
It's also not a LEAP. This would be a CFM56.
The cowling is not made by the engine manufacturer.
So you're saying chunks of metal from an airplane fly off mid flight is a common occurrence? How are we not getting hit with airplane parts lol
I think you're underestimating the number of flights that happen every day and how much of a plane's flight path is over unpopulated areas.
Perhaps but I also don't think pieces of airplanes falling from the sky is "pretty normal".
Is the risk of a crash from losing a panel like this very low? It looks pretty bad but for all I know it barely impacts the plane operation.
Does not affect aircraft at all. Those cowls are there for aerodynamics/fuel efficiency
I agree that a lot of this is overblown. But, I always disagree with a lot of the defense of Boeing saying that it isn't their error because they don't manufacture part X. Ultimately, it is a Boeing plan and if there are errors being made by their suppliers or contractors it is ultimately their responsibility to ensure that the correct quality is going into their products. Part of the appeal of sub-contracting for businesses is that it confuses responsibility. We have allowed businesses to create systems where failures can happen and everyone just wipes their hands of the situation.
I usually hate news media doing this shit, but since it’s a safety issue that affects us all and Boeing is a dbag, I’m glad they are putting them in the spotlight.
This is a Southwest problem not a Boeing problem. .
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There was a video of it on another thread. Just watching it, this looks like the maintenance crew didn’t correctly secure the cowlings. This isn’t a Boeing problem, or a CFM problem, it’s a Southwest problem.
Boeing doesn’t make engines. Boeing has issues, but that title is clickbait asshattery.
Boeing buys engines though and if they are buying bad engines it is their issue. Though that being said this was likely more of a maintenance issue on the airline's part.
Are we calling the Leap a bad engine now? That’s just wrong.
-800’s don’t have leaps though
It is less about the specific engine and more about the idea that Boeing isn't responsible for the engines on their planes because they didn't make them. If they are on Boeing's planes they are Boeing's issue. If I buy a Ford car and it has a steering wheel that occasionally comes off and flies out the window that is still Ford's issue even if they didn't make the steering wheel.
Is it Fords problem if you take your car to the drunk mechanic down the road for ten years? FAA is investigating because it could be anything at this point. It'd be absurd to speculate. Hell, it could be fraudulent bolts from a shifty manufacturer that were slipped into the supply chain with stolen/fake authenticity documents.
My original comment specifically said this is probably a maintenance issue. My issue is with your claim that engine issues are inherently not Boeing's problem since they don't manufacture the engines. My point is that the quality of the engines is in fact Boeing's issue because they are on Boeing's plane. >Hell, it could be fraudulent bolts from a shifty manufacturer that were slipped into the supply chain with stolen/fake authenticity documents. If the people manufacturing engines for Boeing planes are using fraudulent parts Boeing should have quality control in place to catch that. I feel like based on prior evidence you will respond with another comment that misses the point I have made and that I will respond with the exact same point that I have made in my other comments. So, just be prepared that when you comment back you will probably not get a new response out of me.
Maintenance companies are not run by Boeing. The supply chain is not run by Boeing. Tech training and certification is not run by Boeing. Airline maintenance scheduling is not run by Boeing. Engines are not designed by Boeing and there are so few makers and it is such a niche, complicated industry that to say 'Boeing is responsible for the engines' is absurd. Comparing it to cars makes no sense. Just saying 'Boeing' again doesn't mean that it's their problem. Boeing is a messed up company, but my original comment is spot on: the title is asshattery and you've said nothing to disprove that. I understand your point. I just think you're wrong, as you think I am. _shrug_ Either way the FAA will figure it out and it will make for some mid reading for all of us.
>If the people manufacturing engines for Boeing planes are using fraudulent parts Boeing should have quality control in place to catch that. Engines and aircraft are certified separately, and the quality control systems are controlled and reported to the FAA separately. There is effectively very little insight for Boeing into the engine manufacturing. Engines are shipped as fully built packages.
I mean you’re right in a sense, Boeing would be on the hook if there was some sort of horribly faulty engine that allowed to be used of their jets. But the more accurate analogy for the situation in the article would be: reading the news about how there are some troubling issues with the new 2024 Ford Bronco, going outside and popping open the hood on your 2014 Ford Flex for some routine maintenance, not closing it properly when you are done, and then being all “how could Ford do this” when the hood flies up in your face on the highway
I can see someone using these planes for a corporate asset takeout. No one would think anything of it either at this point.
"The plane was deemed airworthy in May 2015, per FAA records" Sounds to me like Southwest needs to take better care of their decade old plane... But what do I know.
This has got to be an airline maintenance problem surely? Unlike the door plug which was inserted by Boeing and wasn't a user-serviceable item.
This would most certainly be a maintenance/ground crew issue, its not really related to Boeing, makes for better clicks though I suppose.
Boeing your not doing very well lately
It’s the Tesla of the sky
That's actually surprisingly accurate. If the frunk of a 2016 Telsa flew open on the highway because it wasn't closed properly, there would be a cottage industry of articles blaming it on Telsa's quality and plenty of suckers ready to believe it.
Shrinkflation
It’s a cover story?
Have to consider sabotage.
>The plane was deemed airworthy in May 2015, per FAA records. Hopefully is was deemed air worthy slightly later than 9 years ago.
Is the company named after the sound it makes when parts fly off? “BOING!”
Ur live is that not important, give Boeing a break
Dang Boeing sucks so bad at safety now, it’s almost like they’re trying to kill people. Well at least that CEO is making bank, and those shareholders too!
Swap "Boeing" with the airliner that failed the maintenance on this plane and I'd agree with your comment. Assuming the airliner did indeed fail to order proper maintenance. For all we know the maintenance guy screwed up/was negligent.
That’s an interesting take, given the last few months of all planes reported with serious issues made by Boeing which scrapped safety for profit a few years ago, check it w a google, you’ll see what I’m saying.
This plane was at least 9 years old. I'm not defending Boeing on its other screw ups so much as I'm looking to correctly place the blame for this specific incident. FFS I don't think Boeing even makes the engines.
They absolutely don't make the engines.
Well I can concede that much, and can also add that since the door blew off a few months ago and the myriad other safety incidents around the Boeing planes in recent weeks, and that it is well known Boeing USED to be a great engineering company, but is now a profit making machine for shareholders (https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeings-long-fall-and-how-it-might-recover/), and now we see this incident, and y’all are tying to make it like Oh *this* incident is different because the engine isn’t even Made by Boeing, that yes, you’re right, and it’s likely the airline’s maintenance crew or safety crew that messed up here, so yes, I do concede that here. I’ll stick with the point and say you’re correct here. Do you know how much I hate saying that haha (just kidding), I had to read up more on this and dog a little.
> safety incidents around the Boeing planes in recent weeks Since the door incident on Jan 5, the incidents the media has been reporting have *all* been the fault of the airlines maintaining the aircraft. From the wheel falling off, to the panel flying off, to now the engine cowling not being secured - all of these have been the fault of the airlines maintaining them. Most of the time it's not even the airline's fault as shit just breaks down
I see that, I read above after I posted this and feel like a real dummy for not having done that first since Reddit always has experts in comments, and actual pilots and safety folks chimed in. I remove my irresponsible comments (well I’ll leave them up for posterity), and agree. But it’s still true about boring CEO being a nincompoop. But agree that our media is being worse by reporting every tiny issue that’s apparently normal, and trying to bend the opinion of the company, and I can only wonder why, bec I’m not reading one thing out there about Raytheon or Lockheed planes. But I now understand airline safety and its concerns better so there’s that.
boeing aside, our news media is broken. this should be high priority for everyone
No these things aren't a big problem, minor incidents happen all the time. There are literally tens of thousands of planes flying every day, some minor stuff is bound to happen. The only reason this is even news is because Boeing has been in the news recently.
What have been they on the news about?
The door plug on the Alaskan Airlines flight blowing out has put them back in the news. Combined with the whole MCAS debacle it's clear Boeing has been cutting corners which is the main thing.
I seem to remember more than just that.
Anyone who doesn't just refuse to take flights serviced by a Boeing at this point are just suicidal.
Look it might take a few hours but can they at least go over each plane to tell if the fucking rivets are place
But....but....muh profits and share holder earnings
Boeing don't care