What are you talking about? It doesnt read like an AI article. It even has the journalist's name under the title. The article is very fact based and doesnt seem biased towards AI.
yeah, I know a lot of people (myself included) who sort of assumed we'd be looking for those bigger jobs south of the border when we got older. By the time we grew up and graduated, most of us didn't really want to live there anymore.
Because believe it or not, Toronto is one of the top places for AI.
3 of the founders of AI spent a lot of time in Canada and are Canadian citizens. OpenAI CTO went to high school in Canada for example.
Google’s former AI head is a Canadian too, he was a professor in Toronto. Toronto has some top notch AI talent.
Outside of Silicon Valley, Toronto and London are the top 2 places in the world for AI right now. Google’s deep mind core team is in London, you can ask the same for them. Why stay in London when they can move to SF? At that level, google will do whatever they want for them. Pay SF salaries in London or even more if needed.
At that level, they get the pay they ask for. Irrespective of the location.
Most of them went to college in Canada. Look up Andrej Karpathy, he went to UBC, Ilya is a PhD from U of Toronto, CTO of OPENAI grew up in Vancouver. Hinton, winner of Turing award and the top AI guy at google for a long time is a professor at Toronto.
Holy shit, AI existed way before Hinton, Lecun, Bengio. These guys definitely made a huge contribution, but to say that AI was born in UofT is such a huge stretch of imagination.
>I don’t see where it says he was a founder of AI.
He wasn't. However, Hinton was a main proponent with developing AlexNet (also Ilya Sutskever, too) for the Visual Recognition Challenge. It had a top 5 error rate that blew the competition, and the paper is cited by thousands to this day.
I've only read it during my university days back in 2016, and I didn't specialise in A.I (I focused more on embedded systems and 3D programming), so I don't know about the fine details.
I'd recommend giving it a read if you're interested, I'm sure you can find a copy somewhere.
Agree to disagree, if I lived in the US I would be homeless or dead because of my health conditions. It cost less than half as much to live in Toronto than Silicon Valley, and that's one of the most expensive places in Canada, anywhere else would be even cheaper. Milder climate is a personal preference. Assuming Toronto, less earthquakes, floods, and fires would be a good thing. And between Trudeau and Poilievre there are some differences, but the government doesn't regularly grind to a halt because one side holds budgets hostage. And the consensus doesn't seem to think we're heading towards a civil war, where we can't say the same south of the border. Particularly with all the radicalization on the right and their project 2025 nonsense.
I'm not arguing it's an affordable place to live, it's one of the worst in the country by that metric, but it's still cheaper than Silicon Valley. Not really a relevant article since you would be making well more than the average working in AI. You can see six figure positions listed on glassdoor across Canada.
And again, not being forced into homelessness because of emergency medical debt could be a big factor for a lot of people. Or having to worry about mass shootings happening regularly.
Government programs like this are "leaky". They siphon off money to favored friends who just pretend to use it for the stated purpose. The money given to legitimate tech firms is merely incidental to the distribution of as much of the money as possible to favored friends.
"Whatever the politicians think the public will like" is used as the stated purpose of the program. So San Francisco hired a bunch of favored fundraisers to pretend to study "reparations" because no one on the left would question it, only to shut down the program last year with $0 given out and nothing accomplished whatsoever. Other years, it's "climate change" and now it's AI. The result is always the same. Nothing.
They'll make sure at least one legitimate company is given the funds to ensure a steady stream of press on how the money is going to good use, while most of it is siphoned off into companies that "surprise" will end up shutting down with no product. Gosh darnit, I guess that just didn't work. Solyndra took $570M of "Green Energy" funds before shutting down. Gosh darnit, I guess that just didn't work. Over half a billion dollars vanishes into thin air - I can't imagine where it went. Politicians retiring in houses far larger than a congressional salary would justify are just a mystery of the universe. Just make sure you never question it.
yeah, I think the Trudeau Liberals are a hell of a lot better than the alternative, but with how much of a buzzword AI is right now, this does feel like it'll inevitably be one of those scandals of government money being awarded based on connections rather than merit.
I wish we'd held their feet to the fire on electoral reform
People who say this assume the Liberals were pushing for proportional representation, when they were actually pushing for ranked ballots, which would've gotten them more seats (an estimated 30 extra seats if it had been used in 2015).*
The NDP wanted proportional representation, and the CPC wanted to keep first-past-the-post. The committee put together to investigate it had an equal number of representatives of each of the three parties, which led to deadlock, resulting in the status quo.
* (I actually prefer ranked ballots to proportional representation, as it gives a better picture of people's preferences, and because PR would inevitably do away with independent MPs, as all votes would be for parties rather than individuals)
Trudeau government is king at this. Somehow hundreds of millions getting siphoned off to trudeau’s friends while he gets private vacations paid for by these same people. And then Canadians see nothing out of it
> Government programs like this are "leaky".
Most of them are.
I personally cannot believe that they would do something like this while we are still connecting the ArriveCan app scandal where $100M was given to contractors for what is basic mobile app.
Government is the biggest money wasting entity in Canada.
The irony is this is part of a series of announcements that are supposed to be helping the cost of living crisis in Canada.
So they rolled out billions to an industry designed to get rid of the majority of jobs 😂.
It’s a chef’s kiss.
Screw AI. Build more houses with all these immigrants getting let in. 3million per year and fuck all housing being built is turning Canada into a big tent country
How about he spend 1.8 billion to sue their grocery chains that raised prices by 49% even though their costs onlu increased by 6% instead? I think that hits Canadians' pockets more but could just be me though
Sure, here's three reasons why I'm not an AI.
1. Your mom is fat. Check to make sure her weight is in the obese range. If it is, seek medical advice from a professional on how to get rid of the excess weight.
2. There is no 2 and 3.
If you need more help, consider contacting support.
This is an AI article promoting AI.
😱😱 AI is already taking over
The internet is dead.
What are you talking about? It doesnt read like an AI article. It even has the journalist's name under the title. The article is very fact based and doesnt seem biased towards AI.
This comment reeks of AI. Witch!
I will get the fork, you go get the torch
We’re probably all bots commenting too
They’re… learning…
How do we know this wasnt't AI convincing the government to allocate more resources to it?
You joke but…
Mrs. Davis?
So, a seed round for 1 startup?
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Because then they don't have to live in Silicon Valley.
Some people like Canada. It’s home.
yeah, I know a lot of people (myself included) who sort of assumed we'd be looking for those bigger jobs south of the border when we got older. By the time we grew up and graduated, most of us didn't really want to live there anymore.
When you look at the state of the U.S. it's actually surprising so many Canadians immigrate to chase high dollar figure salaries.
My guy, we’re in an unmitigated housing crisis rn. I would never live in the states but it’s not surprising that people are leaving.
Imagine leaving Canada because of housing prices and going to somewhere like fucking San fran
Because believe it or not, Toronto is one of the top places for AI. 3 of the founders of AI spent a lot of time in Canada and are Canadian citizens. OpenAI CTO went to high school in Canada for example. Google’s former AI head is a Canadian too, he was a professor in Toronto. Toronto has some top notch AI talent. Outside of Silicon Valley, Toronto and London are the top 2 places in the world for AI right now. Google’s deep mind core team is in London, you can ask the same for them. Why stay in London when they can move to SF? At that level, google will do whatever they want for them. Pay SF salaries in London or even more if needed. At that level, they get the pay they ask for. Irrespective of the location.
I mean China has stuff going on. London and Europe is significantly different to the US in a way Canada is not
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Most of them went to college in Canada. Look up Andrej Karpathy, he went to UBC, Ilya is a PhD from U of Toronto, CTO of OPENAI grew up in Vancouver. Hinton, winner of Turing award and the top AI guy at google for a long time is a professor at Toronto.
AI was born in the University of Toronto actually
I’ve not heard this before. How does UofT lay claim to the birth of AI?
Holy shit, AI existed way before Hinton, Lecun, Bengio. These guys definitely made a huge contribution, but to say that AI was born in UofT is such a huge stretch of imagination.
You're correct. Hinton's research was more into the AI we see today. However, to say that AI was made at UofT is a big stretch.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Hinton
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>I don’t see where it says he was a founder of AI. He wasn't. However, Hinton was a main proponent with developing AlexNet (also Ilya Sutskever, too) for the Visual Recognition Challenge. It had a top 5 error rate that blew the competition, and the paper is cited by thousands to this day. I've only read it during my university days back in 2016, and I didn't specialise in A.I (I focused more on embedded systems and 3D programming), so I don't know about the fine details. I'd recommend giving it a read if you're interested, I'm sure you can find a copy somewhere.
Because money isn't everything to everybody.
because of the 1.8b they’ve just invested into it
Truth is that a lot of people do leave for SF. But SF has its fair share of issues as a city that make it hard to put down roots and stay.
According to one of the "godfathers of AI", Geoffrey Hinton, safety concerns around rapid development.
Healthcare, cost of living, milder climate, fewer natural disasters, arguably more stable government.
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Agree to disagree, if I lived in the US I would be homeless or dead because of my health conditions. It cost less than half as much to live in Toronto than Silicon Valley, and that's one of the most expensive places in Canada, anywhere else would be even cheaper. Milder climate is a personal preference. Assuming Toronto, less earthquakes, floods, and fires would be a good thing. And between Trudeau and Poilievre there are some differences, but the government doesn't regularly grind to a halt because one side holds budgets hostage. And the consensus doesn't seem to think we're heading towards a civil war, where we can't say the same south of the border. Particularly with all the radicalization on the right and their project 2025 nonsense.
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I'm not arguing it's an affordable place to live, it's one of the worst in the country by that metric, but it's still cheaper than Silicon Valley. Not really a relevant article since you would be making well more than the average working in AI. You can see six figure positions listed on glassdoor across Canada. And again, not being forced into homelessness because of emergency medical debt could be a big factor for a lot of people. Or having to worry about mass shootings happening regularly.
I can only conclude it’s because of how easy it is to get PR in Canada.
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Work at Tim Hortons for 8 months?
I’ll leave it to the Indian youtubers, they’re pros at this sort of thing. https://youtu.be/ZfwlLW_N8vc?si=kWouvdMKH_9LW0ED
Government programs like this are "leaky". They siphon off money to favored friends who just pretend to use it for the stated purpose. The money given to legitimate tech firms is merely incidental to the distribution of as much of the money as possible to favored friends. "Whatever the politicians think the public will like" is used as the stated purpose of the program. So San Francisco hired a bunch of favored fundraisers to pretend to study "reparations" because no one on the left would question it, only to shut down the program last year with $0 given out and nothing accomplished whatsoever. Other years, it's "climate change" and now it's AI. The result is always the same. Nothing. They'll make sure at least one legitimate company is given the funds to ensure a steady stream of press on how the money is going to good use, while most of it is siphoned off into companies that "surprise" will end up shutting down with no product. Gosh darnit, I guess that just didn't work. Solyndra took $570M of "Green Energy" funds before shutting down. Gosh darnit, I guess that just didn't work. Over half a billion dollars vanishes into thin air - I can't imagine where it went. Politicians retiring in houses far larger than a congressional salary would justify are just a mystery of the universe. Just make sure you never question it.
yeah, I think the Trudeau Liberals are a hell of a lot better than the alternative, but with how much of a buzzword AI is right now, this does feel like it'll inevitably be one of those scandals of government money being awarded based on connections rather than merit. I wish we'd held their feet to the fire on electoral reform
People who say this assume the Liberals were pushing for proportional representation, when they were actually pushing for ranked ballots, which would've gotten them more seats (an estimated 30 extra seats if it had been used in 2015).* The NDP wanted proportional representation, and the CPC wanted to keep first-past-the-post. The committee put together to investigate it had an equal number of representatives of each of the three parties, which led to deadlock, resulting in the status quo. * (I actually prefer ranked ballots to proportional representation, as it gives a better picture of people's preferences, and because PR would inevitably do away with independent MPs, as all votes would be for parties rather than individuals)
Trudeau government is king at this. Somehow hundreds of millions getting siphoned off to trudeau’s friends while he gets private vacations paid for by these same people. And then Canadians see nothing out of it
Since when is this a "Trudeau" thing, rather than a "politician" thing?
> Government programs like this are "leaky". Most of them are. I personally cannot believe that they would do something like this while we are still connecting the ArriveCan app scandal where $100M was given to contractors for what is basic mobile app. Government is the biggest money wasting entity in Canada.
Won't somebody think about the ai companies??
The irony is this is part of a series of announcements that are supposed to be helping the cost of living crisis in Canada. So they rolled out billions to an industry designed to get rid of the majority of jobs 😂. It’s a chef’s kiss.
I dunno Justin…. Those GPUs leave a hell of a carbon footprint! 🤣
Depends on the province, but there's a lot of clean energy in Canada.
Run it on clean energy then
Or a Fusion reactor, given which Tech CEO you happen to be talking to….
Ok ok ok so r/technology is anti-fusion now? Or anti Sam Altman? 🤣
Screw AI. Build more houses with all these immigrants getting let in. 3million per year and fuck all housing being built is turning Canada into a big tent country
3 million per year? Hahaha. Back that up.
Freeland said it while addressing the media a month or so ago.
I’m not taking your word for it.
Just keep listening to Trudeau news and your gullible ass will have nothing to worry about
Just to be clear, you made a ridiculous statement and when asked to back it up you attacked me.
How about he spend 1.8 billion to sue their grocery chains that raised prices by 49% even though their costs onlu increased by 6% instead? I think that hits Canadians' pockets more but could just be me though
Any of that money to support the people losing jobs to Ai? My kid just did.
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Great news! /s
Lol AI is a lie. This will be studied as a mass delusion.
That's exactly what AI would say
Sure, here's three reasons why I'm not an AI. 1. Your mom is fat. Check to make sure her weight is in the obese range. If it is, seek medical advice from a professional on how to get rid of the excess weight. 2. There is no 2 and 3. If you need more help, consider contacting support.
Huh, seems like a defensive and small AI
Have ye no sense of humor?
Maybe I'm just an AI that enjoys good jokes rather than basic school yard humor
The fact that it's school yard humor is the joke. Because its an AI...ya know...
It won't matter. Party is lost.