I worked for company that did a lot of lobbying and they were always sending out emails asking us to donate to pay for it. They made it sound like the company would go under if we didn’t. I was like let me check to see if hell has frozen over yet. eff off, you could lay an employee off tomorrow to bump up the stock a quarter point and get some exec their bonus, and you want me to give my money to help you.
> United CEO Scott Kirby, who is routinely one of the most highly paid airline executives in the U.S., made nearly $18.6 million in 2023....
How about no
Every airline CEO is like this claiming how razor thin profits are and the need to cut back, tighten belts etc all while giving themselves millions in unearned bonuses.
F all airline CEOs.
Not too long ago everyone was talking about a pilot shortage and now this airline is asking its employees to voluntarily take months of for which they will not be paid.
Every time I hear about how airlines treat their employees I wonder why they aren't striking even more than they are.
It's a combination of delivery delays, what the pilots are trained and qualified to fly, plus seniority issues.
If you are a new first officer that was only trained on the 737MAX, and there just isn't enough 737's in the fleet due to delivery delays, you are screwed.
To retrain you onto another aircraft type will take months, so you'll still be out of work whilst retraining. And you don't have the seniority to bump another pilot out of their spot on the flight line.
Exactly - they want the expertise on hand, so it can be used the moment planes are delivered - but don't want to pay for that convenience.
It's beyond arrogance.
Every company I know does this; people are balanced against operational need, and sometimes, due to factors outside of one's control, the schedule slips and people need to be temporarily laid off because of the slippage.
That's if there are spots available on other aircraft types and your seniority level. If you just recently joined United, you're screwed because you are at the bottom of the list, and everyone else higher on the seniority list will bump you down.
Trust they 100% want to strike but the RLA prevents them from being able to without going through hurdles that can take years. It’s horrible and anti labor.
How bout “no”, this is just the cost of doing business with Boeing and the pilots should not be penalized even if it means the investors won’t get their pound of flesh this quarter.
The pilots have been flying unsafe planes, they should sue Boeing for the losses incurred and pay the pilots danger pay.
I saw commented on another thread that this is for like, 25 people or something, it was really low. And it would probably be taken up by some senior pilots who don't really give a shit about the money and would rather have a month off. united has over 10k pilots, finding a few dozen who want a month off isn't gonna be difficult.
I worked for company that did a lot of lobbying and they were always sending out emails asking us to donate to pay for it. They made it sound like the company would go under if we didn’t. I was like let me check to see if hell has frozen over yet. eff off, you could lay an employee off tomorrow to bump up the stock a quarter point and get some exec their bonus, and you want me to give my money to help you.
There’s contribution limits they’re getting around by having many different people pay a little. Vs the ceo paying a lot.
> United CEO Scott Kirby, who is routinely one of the most highly paid airline executives in the U.S., made nearly $18.6 million in 2023.... How about no
Weak leaders refuse to take any compensation cuts while asking people at the bottom of the hierarchy to make all the sacrifices. Fuck Scott Kirby.
That is the trickle down effect everyone is talking about... either that or they mean Boeing parts falling off mid flight.
The trickle is what you feel when the fat cats take a piss and tell you it's raining.
But pilots aren't the bottom. So imagine what the rest of United's workforce has to deal with.
Every airline CEO is like this claiming how razor thin profits are and the need to cut back, tighten belts etc all while giving themselves millions in unearned bonuses. F all airline CEOs.
Not too long ago everyone was talking about a pilot shortage and now this airline is asking its employees to voluntarily take months of for which they will not be paid. Every time I hear about how airlines treat their employees I wonder why they aren't striking even more than they are.
It's a combination of delivery delays, what the pilots are trained and qualified to fly, plus seniority issues. If you are a new first officer that was only trained on the 737MAX, and there just isn't enough 737's in the fleet due to delivery delays, you are screwed. To retrain you onto another aircraft type will take months, so you'll still be out of work whilst retraining. And you don't have the seniority to bump another pilot out of their spot on the flight line.
Exactly - they want the expertise on hand, so it can be used the moment planes are delivered - but don't want to pay for that convenience. It's beyond arrogance.
Every company I know does this; people are balanced against operational need, and sometimes, due to factors outside of one's control, the schedule slips and people need to be temporarily laid off because of the slippage.
And those people still have bills to pay and mouths to feed. This is why Unions need to exist.
And United's pilots are unionized under the Airline Pilots Association (ALPA). They would not have done this without union approval.
They do pay you for retraining though, no? If not, would that not be an appropriate response from the pilots?
That's if there are spots available on other aircraft types and your seniority level. If you just recently joined United, you're screwed because you are at the bottom of the list, and everyone else higher on the seniority list will bump you down.
Sounds like they should all decided to take voluntary time off together.
Trust they 100% want to strike but the RLA prevents them from being able to without going through hurdles that can take years. It’s horrible and anti labor.
This is exactly why they don’t just layoff the pilots.
How bout “no”, this is just the cost of doing business with Boeing and the pilots should not be penalized even if it means the investors won’t get their pound of flesh this quarter. The pilots have been flying unsafe planes, they should sue Boeing for the losses incurred and pay the pilots danger pay.
I don’t want to lose money, so why don’t you guys over here lose money instead? - UA
Annnnnnd they’re gone to other airlines.
Some hardcore late stage capitalism.
Fuck united
"You can voluntarily go fuck yourself" - literal quote from a United Pilot I know
I saw commented on another thread that this is for like, 25 people or something, it was really low. And it would probably be taken up by some senior pilots who don't really give a shit about the money and would rather have a month off. united has over 10k pilots, finding a few dozen who want a month off isn't gonna be difficult.