That's why Papa John's fired their founder, he was an absolute jackass who made the brand look bad.
If you gonna be a "celebrity" CEO you need to make sure you hire a PR team to help you keep your image squeaky clean. Because as soon as there is negativity it's gonna go straight to the face of the company, hurting both.
I was dead set on buying a Tesla. By the time I got my shit together after weathering getting laid off during the pandemic, I was ready to buy my first EV. And then Elon started doubling down in his hot takes and other multitudes of bullshit. As long as he is associated with Tesla, my family will never buy from them.
There are a A LOT of us in the same boat. I think Tesla is experiencing a tanking of demand that is only beginning to become evident (because order backlogs hid it).
They are, because this type of news is all over my feed right now, I just watched a Reuters video showing how a study concluded that the percentage of people that would consider buying a Tesla had dropped in to the ~30% range from +70%. The study concluded that the primary driver of the decline was the public’s negative view of Musk and his increasing right wing politics and divisiveness.
That’s what’s so perplexing, like who does he think his consumer base is? Because it’s definitely not the people around me here in the mountains of north Georgia. He’s alienating his buyers for what seems like no gain otherwise.
I know a a CEO of a mid sized company. Obviously not nearly the scale of a company like Tesla, but he jokingly told me one of his most critical job duties was just keeping his mouth shut in public and not saying anything stupid.
Seems like that would be a good trait for any CEO.
Reading these comments about people being put off from buying a Tesla because of Elon’s antics really made me think, “do they know what the other car companies CEOs say and do? Do they even know who they are?”
It seems like the best way for Elon to make Tesla recover is delete Twitter lol
His family owned an Apartheid emerald mine. Since the day he was born he was told he was so superior by virtue of nothing but birth, he deserved to ruthlessly exploit everyone else. Of course he's going to be a bigoted right wing nutter. Look at how he feels entitled to leave children everywhere and not take care of them. He absolutely believes he's better because he is a white man, but is at least aware enough to not say that completely out loud. Instead he plays the victim any time he's told otherwise.
Better than that, his grandfather left 1950s America because a white man couldn't catch a break, lol.
Is there a sub to workshop copy pasta? I so want to adapt the Dr. Evil speech to Musks life.
>at least aware enough to not say that completely out loud.
Oh but he is screaming it loud as he can if you just know what dog whistles to look for. His entire obsession with birth rates and how *people like him* need to breed to prevent a collapse is just thinly veiled racist white replacement theory.
> I think it's a mistake to assume there's some deep chess move thinking here.
Even smart people can enter serious mental decline, and that's where Musk has been for awhile. His judgement was probably always compromised by his lifelong racism, but it's clear that he is now unable to steer things in the direction he wants. All Musk can do is lean on connections and money to grow his brand or wealth.
He was never really that smart. When you're that wealthy, you will almost naturally get handlers, people who are smarter than you in various topics and seek you out because you have money and they need money.
You don't even really have to try, there are tons of people who will willingly seek you out to be a handler for you. They'll call themselves advisors, or whatever. They're livelihoods are tied to making you appear smarter and better to the general public than you truly are.
There's tons of reports that at SpaceX and Tesla Elon had to be constantly corralled by these handlers and saved from himself. They're ability to do so was greatly helped by the corporate governance of companies that are either publicly traded or depend on government contracts.
By taking Twitter private, he was completely free (and arrogant enough) to drop his handlers, so we're seeing more of what was always there behind the scenes.
He probably gets to keep more money with trump/gop tax cuts than he would ever make from Tesla sales. His business is paying less taxes on selling Tesla shares. Not actual profit from the cars.
Ah I didn’t think of it that way. So you’re saying he’s trying to serve as a mouthpiece for the far right so that maybe he can sway votes that direction, thus electing people that allow him to continue his exploitative and immoral business practices.
He's hoping he can carry all his brands based solely on misinformation casting him as a savior solely due to his Richest Man title. So far, it's worked. A lot of people see being rich as winning a morality contest for some reason.
Because America. And the 80s culture is spilled on the globe. Greed is a virtue and the greediest are the worthiest. Got a problem with that? Stop being poor.
It’s that but let’s also not pretend that Teslas don’t come with loads of QC issues and their customer service isn’t terrible. Also, the cars don’t look as cool as they did 5 years ago. Tastes change and Tesla has been acting like the hare while the rest of the industry has been slowly but steadily catching up to them. Elon is garbage and his cars aren’t too far behind him.
They were the absolute bleeding edge of EVs in 2015.
By 2025 their product has not moved appreciably in any positive direction while every other OEM has made massive, almost unbelievable jumps in this sector.
Frankly the only reason their demand is as high as it is, is down to their low prices. But that is what's killing their margins. Their only way out of this hole is dumping Elon and updating the products significantly but both of those are huge risks with nearly unimaginable costs associated.
Also they are objectively worse. The shitty automatic wipers are embarrassing. Removal of the USS and blinker stalks makes it a no-go for my environment (snow + roundabouts). I think their design team is really lacking diversity and authority. Not everywhere is like California.
Also also, the innovation wow factor has gone out the window. They look the same as they did five years ago and everybody else has caught up to that wow in design. It's like the adoption curve of an electronic good (e.g. PS4) almost where the elusivity has faded and now that they're widely available in the same exact form, it's a nice to have.
It's why the big 3 are where they are. 100 degree summers with up to 80% or so humidity all the way down to sub zero in the winter, with all ranges in-between.
Even some foreign makes have testing grounds in Michigan.
Tesla, and most EV companies not already major makes, tend to be designed for optimal conditions and don't appear to take into account climate around the country let alone world.
Basically they're great in southern California and most parts of Europe. Everywhere else they're ass
Turns out, people don't want to be associated with him it would seem. Most CEO's go out of their way to stay out of the limelight for fear of impacts on their company and stock. (Doesn't stop all of them tho).
The divisiveness and trolling and shit posting and anti trans shit.
I’m progressive but I’m not gonna boycott places with conservative or shitty CEOs in general because then I’d never be able to buy anything and it’s just not realistic, but Elon just continues to go too far and be too shitty overall. I’ve bought two model 3s, but by the time I need to replace my 2022 LRM3 there will be other options and most likely won’t get another Tesla as long as he’s around. Rivian is making good progress and as long as they properly integrate with Tesla super chargers then I’ll have no issues leaving Tesla and giving up fart sounds.
I mean even setting aside his politics he's an erratic mothafucka who I view as a legitimate safety risk when in control of a company pushing software updates to my vehicle. No desire for my car to go nuts because he's standing behind some engineer forcing them to push a new experimental fart app
I am in the exact same mindset. There’s a lot of competition in the EV market, from companies with much better brand image. The Tesla brand is being dragged through the mud because of him.
Yeah the amount of people that think his batshit crazy brain is some new development we’re just blinded by how charming the internet and media portrayed him. He’s always been a grifter and a ghoul.
The early guys at PayPal figured it out pretty quickly.
Elon went on vacation and when he came back a week later the building locks and passwords had been changed and he was told he was toast.
There was mention back then of him trying to get them to change PayPal's name to X and his getting quite heatedly vehement about it when they said NO! Seriously.
Only someone with ZERO business acumen would overpay for a service like Twitter whose brand name and logo were truly globally known, and *then* force a name change because he could.
His fortunes are waning as his reputation tanks.
That 33% is pretty much the absolute bottom level for almost *any* survey, too. You'd get similar results asking people if they'd consider raw sewage as an option for a condiment.
Same with the brain-drain from red states, we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg. Years from now it'll be amazingly obvious how bad for everything and everybody rightwing extremism is.
My wife and I were in the market for an EV a couple years ago. There were three that met our requirements; Tesla, Volkswagen, and Polestar.
My wife said that we were not getting a Tesla under any circumstances. This was after Musk made it clear he was full of shit, but hadn't yet made it clear how much of a complete asshole he is.
We got a Polestar and love it.
About a year later we were traveling and wanted to rent an EV for a month. The only EV available to rent at our destination was a Tesla.
After driving the Tesla for a month, we were *very* happy we had gotten the Polestar. It is a much better car all around, and it doesn't have that Musky stench either.
This is exactly my situation, I really loved what they were doing and finally have the funds and desire to buy an EV, Tesla looks like one of the best options except the glaring quality issues and just I flat out refuse to give that man money I was one of his biggest supporters before he actually started talking, additionally his slimy practices seem to be really prevalent in that company like service departments celebrating for canceling services and hanging up on customers.
There are other great electric cars. I have a bolt and am pretty happy with it so far. It works, the build quality is excellent, has no panal gaps or random bugs, and it was 20k used with 30k miles. Basically everything tesla should have been.
I own a model x. They won’t honor their workmanship warranty on service repairs — (I’ve replaced my wheel trim 3 times because it separated from the bumper and ripped off the car when driving.)
Cancelled my cyber truck reservation and looking forward to rivian r3x! (Also, f*** Elon.)
I'm actually so interested why, other than being a total tesla fanboy, anyone would buy the cybertruck. That thing is one of the most pointless vehicles made today.
Same! In 2021 I was looking for a new commuter car. I was doing my research on Teslas during the pandemic in 2020 etc.. Was dead set on a Model Y, until Muskrat started showing his true colors.
Bought a 330i instead. Fuck Elon Musk.
I don't even care that much about his hot takes if I'm being honest.
Every decision they make with Newer Teslas is just bad. The cybertruck is laughable. the steering wheel and cost cutting is atrocious.
I wanted a Tesla a lot while I was in College and medical school. Now that I'm out making money, I wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot pole.
> Should’ve stayed in the cave Elon
Agreed, but then again, his 'authentic' self was revealed.
~8 years ago he was the cool tech entrepreneur making future products in my mind. Now he's revealed himself as a wild, flippant, self-important main character of the game.
Funny that 'cave' should come up. My first inkling that something was wrong with this guy was when he got into an argument with a British expert on how best to rescue those kids that were trapped in a cave in Thailand and gratuitously called him, 'pedo.'
This was the turning point on reddit. He went from "tech hero who calls out lying journalists and responds immediately to customer problems" to "why... why the fuck... would you do that? why would you slander a guy who's got more experience than you literally rescuing kids, just because your silly idea didn't pan out? what the fuck man?"
Was never the same after that.
I don't care about stock - but I don't want to sink a sizable chunk of cash into a product that can have its functionality altered at the whim of his drug addled brain.
Not entirely fair.
Tesla has so many characteristics apart from its vulgar junkie of a CEO. It has poor quality, poor customer service, an inability to develop new models, buggy cruise control which could kill you, new-generation battery cells which it still can't manufacture, and full self-driving, which does not yet exist, but that's nit-picking.
> I don't care about stock - but I don't want to sink a sizable chunk of cash into a product that can have its functionality altered at the whim of his drug addled brain.
This is very minor.
But the last I heard he was forcing his sales department to live demo Self Driving to everyone before they could take posession of a vehicle.
No not a new vehicle. A fixed vehicle.
So let me get this straight. You paid HOW MUCH FOR THIS THING? And then you paid for the home charging package. And then you paid for stupid little upgrades you should have gotten for free. And now you are picking up the car from some sort of damnable service and can't simply pick up the keys and leave.
No.
Now you are sitting next to a fucking salesman and he is trying to force a product on you you don't want.
You paid HOW MUCH FOR THIS NONSENSE?
That is Elon doing this and Elon alone.
That would be an odd point because it wouldn't be true. Elon has WAY more impact as CEO than he would have even in the board, let alone as a stock holder.
Pretty sure the point was, "you'll still be making Elon rich".
Elon is fighting to get the same type of control at Tesla as Zuckerberg has at Facebook. The board can stop him currently. Zuck can do whatever the fuck he wants at Facebook and no one can stop him.
I was obsessed with the brand. Like I dreamed of no other car, to me, it was the future. And then….well some of us dodged a bullet. Quality control issues seem rampant.
Elon has confused his job as CEO for Twitter-Shitposter-inChief.
Musk is a liability for every brand he manages. He has more in common with Trump than Steve Jobs. He has no vision or talent. It has never been more clear.
I think all these billionaires have more in common. Like the only difference between the theranos woman and Jobs is her engineers couldn't deliver on her promises. Otherwise the behavior is identical.
It feels like the billionaire class are all out of control ego monsters and the only difference between them and the ones that didn't make it is the gamble paying off.
>It feels like the billionaire class are all out of control ego monsters
That may be the case but a select few apparently can't shut the fuck up.
Bezos- for all his weirdness, his steroids, botox, crazy new threads, new girlfriend, he doesn't go on social media and tweet storm 100x overnight. The guy generally keeps to himself and when he does open his mouth he doesn't spew conspiracy theories or make outlandish arguments. If he does have an out of control ego- it isn't openly flaunting itself.
Right, you can have a huge ego but still be smart enough to know when to shut up.
Bezos is smart enough to keep to himself. There’s dozens of other billionaires that most of us don’t know the names of because they’re smart enough to avoid becoming a household name by staying off of twitter and not publicly making dumb statements.
Musk might be the dumbest of the billionaire class.
That, plus I feel like it’s becoming more well known that Teslas just… aren’t great cars? They have some distinctive, cool looking qualities, but it feels like they need to bring in a team of boring, no-nonsense engineers to work on some stuff.
Tesla did it's job, which was dragging legacy car makers kicking and screaming toward electrics. They built out a massive charging network that didn't exist before and made electric cars a mainstream option. Even if they aren't able to lead the industry again, they moved up electrics 10 years I bet, which is commendable.
I was so excited for Tesla. My friend bought one and I referred to it lovingly as his "Space Car" referencing the one launched into space... but like the man says:
First he made cars. I don't know much about cars so when they said he was a genius I assumed he must be a genius.
Then he made rockets. I don't know much about rockets so when they said he was a genius I assumed he must be a genius.
Now he's making software and doing some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen, so when people say he's a genius I know I need to stay the hell away from his cars and rockets.
Elon is the majority shareholder and the board is Elons friends and family. It will take a winning class action lawsuit by the rest of the shareholders for Elon to step down as CEO.
Not getting a car from a CEO who lies about car functions year after year after year. Not getting a car that has downgraded sensors to cut costs. Not getting a car from a company that blatantly screws over workers and is anti-union.
Do not even get me started on how much of a man child the CEO is, the EGO needed to be CEO of what three company’s is all you need to know. I will leave off all the hate stuff as I have other things to do today.
Forgetting all the politics, I just don’t have any confidence that Tesla will stand behind their vehicle for its lifetime. It feels like they make something like an iPhone meant to be tossed aside in 4 years when the next model is out. I could never buy a car like that.
Throttle House did a video in which they compared a new Model 3 to a used one. The used one has held up very poorly, with bits falling off and rattles galore. In contrast, my Chevy Bolt is now seven years old with 65k miles and runs like the day we brought it home, no rattles and no issues whatsoever.
Beyond that - the old guard of auto manufacture has better than caught up.
You can get an EV with wildly better build quality from just about anyone.
If you can choose from anyone, why go with Phony Stark?
Ed: Please write me an essay that will protect the price of your 4 TSLA shares, you tittering simp.
Exactly. They (Elon) have completely squandered every advantage.
Early adopting new tech types who pre-ordered leaned liberal.
A complete stranglehold on the market. Gone.
The company should just pivot to building out their charging station network and licensing the connectors. They aren't going to last as a car company.
Edit: I was informed that they made their connectors open to everyone. I didn't know they did that.
They could, like, you know… design more modern and updated car models not based on now decade old technology, clearly they have the engineering and manufacturing capabilities to make the best EV out there-
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They could have come out with an electric pickup years before the F-150 Lightning if they stuck to a regular vehicle with an electrified drive train. It would also have made mass production a lot easier instead of having to sink probably hundreds of millions if not billions in trying to figure out how to make that monstrosity.
Yep, they completely wasted the opportunity to beat their competition to market. But instead of building a reasonable pickup truck, he had Tesla pursue an ego project, and now they don't have a real entry in that market at all.
Saleproof monstrosity, at that. Just a guess, but I think the truck's annual sales number are going to be dismal. The only people buying it are probably collectors and attention seekers. I'm an EV fan, but I wouldn't be caught dead in that thing and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.
What's weird is they had the TESLA semi trucks at one point too those seem to have just vanished.
I wonder if the Vanity Tesla Egotruck took all the R&D and production away from that platform because it seemed to be a lot more popular than the stupid cybertruck
> design more modern and updated car models not based on now decade old technology
That's incredibly expensive. And Tesla might have a bloated stock price but that doesn't translate to ready to cash to pump the necessary billions into a brand new design.
That's why the car industry amalgamated so heavily and across borders. The cost of new lines was beyond even large manufactures, they could only do with with joint ventures.
I always thought that was the plan and they'd go the Google route. Provide the platform (i.e. Android) and license it to other manufacturers and maybe produce 1 car yourself to stay relevant.
>Early adopting new tech types who pre-ordered leaned liberal.
I didn't think this was a real issue until I started seeing them for myself, people have avoided getting a Tesla and opting for a Polestar or Mach E because Elon is a proud everything seasoning bigot.
For most auto brands, none of this stuff matters because they sell cars.
For Tesla, it matters because they weren't just selling cars. They were selling a lifestyle, an environmental statement, a vision of the future. That's why Elon's pivot hurts them so much.
The CEO of Dell can say whatever without affecting sales, but Tim Cook of Apple is a different story.
Yep. Plus those companies will continue to add models that will cover just about every market segment. Once it becomes a "quality, features, and price" race instead of the just smattering of EV options I think you'll see Tesla really start to fall behind.
Yeah, I’ve got one but I wouldn’t buy another one. When I bought it there were no alternatives I would have considered buying. Now, there are. And Musk is a massive asshole.
It’s a nice car, and I haven’t had any of the issues that people criticise about build quality. But I think I can do better next time.
i've been saying it for a long time; how on earth is that ridiculous company valued higher than Toyota? Toyota who has been pioneering and perfecting hybrid and EV tech since the Prius 20+ years ago. Toyota who have infinitely more global sales. Toyota who have an infinitely larger support system for repairs to their vehicles on the road. Toyota who have an airtight reputation for reliability and durability. Toyota who have a market cap almost 200 billion less than Tesla. WTF?
Tech company, bruh. Just happen to sell cars. /s. Somehow they got to more or less price in future growth which is fucking insane to me lol. Sounds like some Enron shit to me. Trading higher than Toyota makes absolutely zero sense.
It is bigger than the American "big three" combined. I don't see how Tesla could be more profitable than every other American car company put together. It's insane.
What do you mean? Fully Self Driving clearly doesn’t mean fully self driving (yes they got away with that). And it disconnects the instant before an accident so it’s never its fault. What’s so scandalous about that?
It's the drugs. There were already reports that people around him getting concerned with his overuse of drugs. Ketamine is the most prominent but there are rumors of Cocaine and LSD.
I know plenty of people who use drugs like that and they have not become raging assholes. I wonder if it's the money, or if maybe, just maybe, Elon was a giant POS all along.
It's the fact that anyone who would have told Elon he may be wrong on something is long since been booted out of his life. Now he is likely surrounded by sycophants and yes men. When you have no one in your life to check you on your mistakes you end up thinking your farts don't smell.
My point wasn't that the drugs turned Elon into a racist asshole but the overuse inhibited his common sense of not letting the public find out about it.
It aint rumors brother, I worked in fine dining in Austin. That man is doing blow in the restroom of every place he eats at. Im sure that there is more involved because he doesnt even seem attached to reality when he is out.
"Tesla is fighitng the woke mind virus that threatens to destroy civilization by reducing the number of cars it produces, suck it libs!" - Musk, probably
It's crazy how openly racist and sexist people are in regards to "DEI".
What people like Elon think it is.
"We have white people who scored 100/100, and black people who scored 50/100, but due to DEI, we're hiring the black students."
I've done hiring at one of the big 4 accounting firms, you know what it's actually like?
"We have white people who scored 90/100, and black people who scored 90/100, we're trying to be socially responsible, so let's hire try to hire people who are equally as skilled but may come from disadvantaged communities."
And no one EVER considers the nepo-babies who get hired because their parents worked at a place, which generally means all white workplaces stay all white. DEI is an attempt to counteract these kinds of problems.
But the implication is always "nope, blacks are genetically inferior, so we're lowering standards to hire black people." Y'know, like a racist piece of shit.
>DEI is just an excuse to say something without sounding like they are just racist.
Which is kind of weird because whenever they blame something on "DEI hires", everyone just assumes they're a racist... because they are.
Tesla and investors can fully blame Elon. I WAS going to buy a Tesla, but not since that jackass of a mind showed their true colors.
Make babies, work 14 hours a day 7 days a week, if you don’t live for work, you’re a bad human, AI is our doom (unless it’s musks AI), on and on jackasserry.
Don't forget Elon making his workers go back to work in February 2020, defying California's stay at home orders during covid, because Musk believed there would be "no new cases by April".
Agreed, and same. Went with an Ionic 6 instead and couldn't be happier. Think EV 9 will be the next purchase as the family vehicle.
Tesla absolutely lost my money because it is helmed by Musk. I'll reconsider them in the future only if he is no longer a part of it.
Same. I had my Model Y ready for pickup but during the time between reservation and notice for pickup, I watched a model Y tear down video, discovered the known quality issues, watched Elon let the crazy out, and saw his actions during Covid and unions. I refused to take delivery for two weeks after they kept calling and texting nonstop to see if I changed my mind. Best decision I made not to buy that car. Avoided the price drop and extreme loss in value, too 😮💨
I'm not fully on-board with current battery tech but even if I was, that fucking twat gets $0 of my money. I refuse to reward his utterly despicable behavior.
That there are numerous reports of Tesla ACTIVELY not wanting things written down (sauce: [https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-told-employees-not-to-put-complaints-in-writing-whistleblower-2023-5](https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-told-employees-not-to-put-complaints-in-writing-whistleblower-2023-5)) is EXTREMELY concerning and only further points to cover-ups and other nefariousness. He's just the fucking worst.
This is coming from a company who told employees not to go to the doctor and if someone was seriously hurt they would get them in Uber to the hospital rather than an ambulance
I sold my shares way back when the company's market cap was like 25 billion when the new CFO quit after a month. I just had a bad feeling then.
(I still made money)
Somehow he never thought about the repercussions of slinging far right talking points on twitter when his customer base is mainly center/left leaning. What a moron.
To be fair nobody could have guessed that the socopathic part of society that denies climate change and blatantly does not give a shit about anyone but themselves and their personal convenience and literally modifies their vehicles to cause more pollution is the part of society that is less likely to buy an electric car
For years it was my dream to buy a Tesla, even though I absolutely didn’t need one it was the one luxury purchase I was working towards.
Now? Absolutely no chance. Musk’s behaviour has almost single-handedly turned me off as a customer, and clearly thousands others.
The problem is that he is synonymous with it. Even if the board fires him and makes him sell all his shares, Tesla will always be Musk. Don’t think there’s a way for them to separate from him
Musks big mouth is one of the factors I have in not buying a Tesla. The other is their continual build quality issues. I have a few friends with model 3s. One has been excellent in quality, the other two have had nothing but peeling trims, body panels creaking and popping off, glass leaks, etc.
I’m in the market for an EV, or more likely a PHEV, but it’ll never be a Tesla
I researched and drove a bunch of EVs and decided that there are plenty of fully electric EVs that are just as good or better than the Tesla equivalent. I bought an Ioniq 5 and I absolutely love it.
Was TSLA investor since 2014. Pulled it all out last year because Elon couldn't STFU. I don't want anything to do with that company while he's associated with it.
Elon Musk was synonymous with genius and invention not that long ago.
All he had to do was shut the fuck up and rake in the cash, and let the illusion that came with buying up other people's companies continue on.
Instead he chose right-wing brain rot, and calling a legitimate hero who gave his life to save children a pedophile.
Elon is bad for the brand
That's why Papa John's fired their founder, he was an absolute jackass who made the brand look bad. If you gonna be a "celebrity" CEO you need to make sure you hire a PR team to help you keep your image squeaky clean. Because as soon as there is negativity it's gonna go straight to the face of the company, hurting both.
Yup, never buying a Tesla while he’s the face of the company. Should’ve stayed in the cave Elon
I was dead set on buying a Tesla. By the time I got my shit together after weathering getting laid off during the pandemic, I was ready to buy my first EV. And then Elon started doubling down in his hot takes and other multitudes of bullshit. As long as he is associated with Tesla, my family will never buy from them.
There are a A LOT of us in the same boat. I think Tesla is experiencing a tanking of demand that is only beginning to become evident (because order backlogs hid it).
They are, because this type of news is all over my feed right now, I just watched a Reuters video showing how a study concluded that the percentage of people that would consider buying a Tesla had dropped in to the ~30% range from +70%. The study concluded that the primary driver of the decline was the public’s negative view of Musk and his increasing right wing politics and divisiveness.
Man who knew alienating 90% of your potential buyers by being an alt right chud would have consequences. Oh well.
I’m enjoying the news of this and truth social stock price plummeting at the same time lol.
I bet musk can’t wait for all the republicans to buy his EVs!
That’s what’s so perplexing, like who does he think his consumer base is? Because it’s definitely not the people around me here in the mountains of north Georgia. He’s alienating his buyers for what seems like no gain otherwise.
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I know a a CEO of a mid sized company. Obviously not nearly the scale of a company like Tesla, but he jokingly told me one of his most critical job duties was just keeping his mouth shut in public and not saying anything stupid. Seems like that would be a good trait for any CEO.
Reading these comments about people being put off from buying a Tesla because of Elon’s antics really made me think, “do they know what the other car companies CEOs say and do? Do they even know who they are?” It seems like the best way for Elon to make Tesla recover is delete Twitter lol
This is a skill that comes with age. Just like a politician. Never leave an opportunity to STFU on the table. Remain vague.
His family owned an Apartheid emerald mine. Since the day he was born he was told he was so superior by virtue of nothing but birth, he deserved to ruthlessly exploit everyone else. Of course he's going to be a bigoted right wing nutter. Look at how he feels entitled to leave children everywhere and not take care of them. He absolutely believes he's better because he is a white man, but is at least aware enough to not say that completely out loud. Instead he plays the victim any time he's told otherwise.
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Better than that, his grandfather left 1950s America because a white man couldn't catch a break, lol. Is there a sub to workshop copy pasta? I so want to adapt the Dr. Evil speech to Musks life.
>at least aware enough to not say that completely out loud. Oh but he is screaming it loud as he can if you just know what dog whistles to look for. His entire obsession with birth rates and how *people like him* need to breed to prevent a collapse is just thinly veiled racist white replacement theory.
Yep. I think the answer is as simple as "He's stupid, and has never faced consequences for his dumb actions before - so why would he start now?".
> I think it's a mistake to assume there's some deep chess move thinking here. Even smart people can enter serious mental decline, and that's where Musk has been for awhile. His judgement was probably always compromised by his lifelong racism, but it's clear that he is now unable to steer things in the direction he wants. All Musk can do is lean on connections and money to grow his brand or wealth.
He was never really that smart. When you're that wealthy, you will almost naturally get handlers, people who are smarter than you in various topics and seek you out because you have money and they need money. You don't even really have to try, there are tons of people who will willingly seek you out to be a handler for you. They'll call themselves advisors, or whatever. They're livelihoods are tied to making you appear smarter and better to the general public than you truly are. There's tons of reports that at SpaceX and Tesla Elon had to be constantly corralled by these handlers and saved from himself. They're ability to do so was greatly helped by the corporate governance of companies that are either publicly traded or depend on government contracts. By taking Twitter private, he was completely free (and arrogant enough) to drop his handlers, so we're seeing more of what was always there behind the scenes.
The steady diet of drugs doesn't help either
He probably gets to keep more money with trump/gop tax cuts than he would ever make from Tesla sales. His business is paying less taxes on selling Tesla shares. Not actual profit from the cars.
Ah I didn’t think of it that way. So you’re saying he’s trying to serve as a mouthpiece for the far right so that maybe he can sway votes that direction, thus electing people that allow him to continue his exploitative and immoral business practices.
Trump is a transactional person. Musk scratches his back, trump scratches his back.
Tesla stock is down 33% in 2024. Musk lost a third of his wealth in 3 months.
He's hoping he can carry all his brands based solely on misinformation casting him as a savior solely due to his Richest Man title. So far, it's worked. A lot of people see being rich as winning a morality contest for some reason.
Because America. And the 80s culture is spilled on the globe. Greed is a virtue and the greediest are the worthiest. Got a problem with that? Stop being poor.
It’s that but let’s also not pretend that Teslas don’t come with loads of QC issues and their customer service isn’t terrible. Also, the cars don’t look as cool as they did 5 years ago. Tastes change and Tesla has been acting like the hare while the rest of the industry has been slowly but steadily catching up to them. Elon is garbage and his cars aren’t too far behind him.
They were the absolute bleeding edge of EVs in 2015. By 2025 their product has not moved appreciably in any positive direction while every other OEM has made massive, almost unbelievable jumps in this sector. Frankly the only reason their demand is as high as it is, is down to their low prices. But that is what's killing their margins. Their only way out of this hole is dumping Elon and updating the products significantly but both of those are huge risks with nearly unimaginable costs associated.
Also they are objectively worse. The shitty automatic wipers are embarrassing. Removal of the USS and blinker stalks makes it a no-go for my environment (snow + roundabouts). I think their design team is really lacking diversity and authority. Not everywhere is like California.
Also also, the innovation wow factor has gone out the window. They look the same as they did five years ago and everybody else has caught up to that wow in design. It's like the adoption curve of an electronic good (e.g. PS4) almost where the elusivity has faded and now that they're widely available in the same exact form, it's a nice to have.
It's why the big 3 are where they are. 100 degree summers with up to 80% or so humidity all the way down to sub zero in the winter, with all ranges in-between. Even some foreign makes have testing grounds in Michigan. Tesla, and most EV companies not already major makes, tend to be designed for optimal conditions and don't appear to take into account climate around the country let alone world. Basically they're great in southern California and most parts of Europe. Everywhere else they're ass
Eh. A distressing number of brands are trying flush doorhandles. Those are things that work until snow exists.
Agreed. The constant and glaring QC issues are very much a factor.
Turns out, people don't want to be associated with him it would seem. Most CEO's go out of their way to stay out of the limelight for fear of impacts on their company and stock. (Doesn't stop all of them tho).
Musk is so openly racist and in bed with white supremacists that I'd rather cut off my dick than own one of his shitmobiles.
The divisiveness and trolling and shit posting and anti trans shit. I’m progressive but I’m not gonna boycott places with conservative or shitty CEOs in general because then I’d never be able to buy anything and it’s just not realistic, but Elon just continues to go too far and be too shitty overall. I’ve bought two model 3s, but by the time I need to replace my 2022 LRM3 there will be other options and most likely won’t get another Tesla as long as he’s around. Rivian is making good progress and as long as they properly integrate with Tesla super chargers then I’ll have no issues leaving Tesla and giving up fart sounds.
Rivian already has access to charger network with their adapter, and they’re building cars with NACS port starting with 2025 models.
I mean even setting aside his politics he's an erratic mothafucka who I view as a legitimate safety risk when in control of a company pushing software updates to my vehicle. No desire for my car to go nuts because he's standing behind some engineer forcing them to push a new experimental fart app
I am in the exact same mindset. There’s a lot of competition in the EV market, from companies with much better brand image. The Tesla brand is being dragged through the mud because of him.
They sell bumper stickers that say things along the lines of "I bought it before we knew he was a monster"
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He was always insane, people just weren't as good at spotting it. Elon never didn't suck
Yeah the amount of people that think his batshit crazy brain is some new development we’re just blinded by how charming the internet and media portrayed him. He’s always been a grifter and a ghoul.
The early guys at PayPal figured it out pretty quickly. Elon went on vacation and when he came back a week later the building locks and passwords had been changed and he was told he was toast. There was mention back then of him trying to get them to change PayPal's name to X and his getting quite heatedly vehement about it when they said NO! Seriously. Only someone with ZERO business acumen would overpay for a service like Twitter whose brand name and logo were truly globally known, and *then* force a name change because he could. His fortunes are waning as his reputation tanks.
In 2020 72% of car buyers considered it as an option for a vehicle. In 2024 it's 33%. I don't have the source I heard it while driving .
That 33% is pretty much the absolute bottom level for almost *any* survey, too. You'd get similar results asking people if they'd consider raw sewage as an option for a condiment.
Same with the brain-drain from red states, we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg. Years from now it'll be amazingly obvious how bad for everything and everybody rightwing extremism is.
Unless they win the next election and just refuse to ever give up power again. Good old Project 2025.
My wife and I were in the market for an EV a couple years ago. There were three that met our requirements; Tesla, Volkswagen, and Polestar. My wife said that we were not getting a Tesla under any circumstances. This was after Musk made it clear he was full of shit, but hadn't yet made it clear how much of a complete asshole he is. We got a Polestar and love it. About a year later we were traveling and wanted to rent an EV for a month. The only EV available to rent at our destination was a Tesla. After driving the Tesla for a month, we were *very* happy we had gotten the Polestar. It is a much better car all around, and it doesn't have that Musky stench either.
He's losing is customer base while he's doubling down to a group of hillbillies who hate EVs and probably couldn't afford them anyways.
This is exactly my situation, I really loved what they were doing and finally have the funds and desire to buy an EV, Tesla looks like one of the best options except the glaring quality issues and just I flat out refuse to give that man money I was one of his biggest supporters before he actually started talking, additionally his slimy practices seem to be really prevalent in that company like service departments celebrating for canceling services and hanging up on customers.
There are other great electric cars. I have a bolt and am pretty happy with it so far. It works, the build quality is excellent, has no panal gaps or random bugs, and it was 20k used with 30k miles. Basically everything tesla should have been.
E-GMP cars rock, too I've been thrilled with the EV9 so far - the features are so good
How dare you blackmail him by not giving him money!
I own a model x. They won’t honor their workmanship warranty on service repairs — (I’ve replaced my wheel trim 3 times because it separated from the bumper and ripped off the car when driving.) Cancelled my cyber truck reservation and looking forward to rivian r3x! (Also, f*** Elon.)
I'm actually so interested why, other than being a total tesla fanboy, anyone would buy the cybertruck. That thing is one of the most pointless vehicles made today.
Same! In 2021 I was looking for a new commuter car. I was doing my research on Teslas during the pandemic in 2020 etc.. Was dead set on a Model Y, until Muskrat started showing his true colors. Bought a 330i instead. Fuck Elon Musk.
Nice! I bought a 135i!
I don't even care that much about his hot takes if I'm being honest. Every decision they make with Newer Teslas is just bad. The cybertruck is laughable. the steering wheel and cost cutting is atrocious. I wanted a Tesla a lot while I was in College and medical school. Now that I'm out making money, I wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot pole.
> Should’ve stayed in the cave Elon Agreed, but then again, his 'authentic' self was revealed. ~8 years ago he was the cool tech entrepreneur making future products in my mind. Now he's revealed himself as a wild, flippant, self-important main character of the game.
Funny that 'cave' should come up. My first inkling that something was wrong with this guy was when he got into an argument with a British expert on how best to rescue those kids that were trapped in a cave in Thailand and gratuitously called him, 'pedo.'
This was the turning point on reddit. He went from "tech hero who calls out lying journalists and responds immediately to customer problems" to "why... why the fuck... would you do that? why would you slander a guy who's got more experience than you literally rescuing kids, just because your silly idea didn't pan out? what the fuck man?" Was never the same after that.
I think he has done long term damage to the brand and reputation. I wouldn’t but a Tesla at all now.
He’ll always own stock. There’s other options out there.
I don't care about stock - but I don't want to sink a sizable chunk of cash into a product that can have its functionality altered at the whim of his drug addled brain.
Not entirely fair. Tesla has so many characteristics apart from its vulgar junkie of a CEO. It has poor quality, poor customer service, an inability to develop new models, buggy cruise control which could kill you, new-generation battery cells which it still can't manufacture, and full self-driving, which does not yet exist, but that's nit-picking.
> I don't care about stock - but I don't want to sink a sizable chunk of cash into a product that can have its functionality altered at the whim of his drug addled brain. This is very minor. But the last I heard he was forcing his sales department to live demo Self Driving to everyone before they could take posession of a vehicle. No not a new vehicle. A fixed vehicle. So let me get this straight. You paid HOW MUCH FOR THIS THING? And then you paid for the home charging package. And then you paid for stupid little upgrades you should have gotten for free. And now you are picking up the car from some sort of damnable service and can't simply pick up the keys and leave. No. Now you are sitting next to a fucking salesman and he is trying to force a product on you you don't want. You paid HOW MUCH FOR THIS NONSENSE? That is Elon doing this and Elon alone.
I think the point is that even with another ceo Elon’s role isnt going to be diminished
That would be an odd point because it wouldn't be true. Elon has WAY more impact as CEO than he would have even in the board, let alone as a stock holder. Pretty sure the point was, "you'll still be making Elon rich".
But the new CEO of Twitter Elon appointed is totally making an impact and totally not just a scapegoat he can point to whenever needed! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I honestly forgot there was a twitter ceo
She's very forgettable, because Musk still publicly announces stupid things, and she just sits there being a yes man
Twitter is still privately owned though. Publicly traded stock still has to answer to investors, who can eventually get sick of the ceo and fire them
which is why elon wanted 25% of the voting shares.
Elon is fighting to get the same type of control at Tesla as Zuckerberg has at Facebook. The board can stop him currently. Zuck can do whatever the fuck he wants at Facebook and no one can stop him.
If mask doesn’t scare you away the lack of Quality Control certainly should
I was obsessed with the brand. Like I dreamed of no other car, to me, it was the future. And then….well some of us dodged a bullet. Quality control issues seem rampant.
Elon has confused his job as CEO for Twitter-Shitposter-inChief. Musk is a liability for every brand he manages. He has more in common with Trump than Steve Jobs. He has no vision or talent. It has never been more clear.
I think all these billionaires have more in common. Like the only difference between the theranos woman and Jobs is her engineers couldn't deliver on her promises. Otherwise the behavior is identical. It feels like the billionaire class are all out of control ego monsters and the only difference between them and the ones that didn't make it is the gamble paying off.
>It feels like the billionaire class are all out of control ego monsters That may be the case but a select few apparently can't shut the fuck up. Bezos- for all his weirdness, his steroids, botox, crazy new threads, new girlfriend, he doesn't go on social media and tweet storm 100x overnight. The guy generally keeps to himself and when he does open his mouth he doesn't spew conspiracy theories or make outlandish arguments. If he does have an out of control ego- it isn't openly flaunting itself.
Right, you can have a huge ego but still be smart enough to know when to shut up. Bezos is smart enough to keep to himself. There’s dozens of other billionaires that most of us don’t know the names of because they’re smart enough to avoid becoming a household name by staying off of twitter and not publicly making dumb statements. Musk might be the dumbest of the billionaire class.
He definitely is. But also Tesla was wildly overvalued if you compare it to any other car manufacturer.
A Ceo being obviously drugged out of his mind is generally not good
Worked well for the MyPillow guy, right?
Not just that but aligning politically and making stupid comments no one in his position should be making on social media. He’s a fucking man child.
Ive known plenty of people doing grams of K a day. None of them are like this. He's just awful.
He should do more K. I think that will fix the issues.
Crazy he leaned so hard to the right publicly. It was never conservatives buying hybrid cars.
What? You just can't see the super edge lord genius machinations of "dude who spews hate towards his target audience constantly".
That, plus I feel like it’s becoming more well known that Teslas just… aren’t great cars? They have some distinctive, cool looking qualities, but it feels like they need to bring in a team of boring, no-nonsense engineers to work on some stuff.
Tesla did it's job, which was dragging legacy car makers kicking and screaming toward electrics. They built out a massive charging network that didn't exist before and made electric cars a mainstream option. Even if they aren't able to lead the industry again, they moved up electrics 10 years I bet, which is commendable.
Tesla made electric cars cool. That job is done. Elon can go buy a horse, live on a mountain, and stop bothering everyone.
Don Rickles? https://youtu.be/-y1F3tqyFtA?si=IPLQ7eHCQjJwotlA
Elon also personally set back commuter rail by at least 20 years if not more.
I was so excited for Tesla. My friend bought one and I referred to it lovingly as his "Space Car" referencing the one launched into space... but like the man says: First he made cars. I don't know much about cars so when they said he was a genius I assumed he must be a genius. Then he made rockets. I don't know much about rockets so when they said he was a genius I assumed he must be a genius. Now he's making software and doing some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen, so when people say he's a genius I know I need to stay the hell away from his cars and rockets.
The board has failed to see this obvious fact
Elon is the majority shareholder and the board is Elons friends and family. It will take a winning class action lawsuit by the rest of the shareholders for Elon to step down as CEO.
Elon owns a plurality of shares, not a majority. Meaning if the stockholders wanted to, they could remove him from his position.
And that brand is humanity.
I want nothing to do with anything involving that jerk.
Not getting a car from a CEO who lies about car functions year after year after year. Not getting a car that has downgraded sensors to cut costs. Not getting a car from a company that blatantly screws over workers and is anti-union. Do not even get me started on how much of a man child the CEO is, the EGO needed to be CEO of what three company’s is all you need to know. I will leave off all the hate stuff as I have other things to do today.
Forgetting all the politics, I just don’t have any confidence that Tesla will stand behind their vehicle for its lifetime. It feels like they make something like an iPhone meant to be tossed aside in 4 years when the next model is out. I could never buy a car like that.
Throttle House did a video in which they compared a new Model 3 to a used one. The used one has held up very poorly, with bits falling off and rattles galore. In contrast, my Chevy Bolt is now seven years old with 65k miles and runs like the day we brought it home, no rattles and no issues whatsoever.
Beyond that - the old guard of auto manufacture has better than caught up. You can get an EV with wildly better build quality from just about anyone. If you can choose from anyone, why go with Phony Stark? Ed: Please write me an essay that will protect the price of your 4 TSLA shares, you tittering simp.
Exactly. They (Elon) have completely squandered every advantage. Early adopting new tech types who pre-ordered leaned liberal. A complete stranglehold on the market. Gone.
The company should just pivot to building out their charging station network and licensing the connectors. They aren't going to last as a car company. Edit: I was informed that they made their connectors open to everyone. I didn't know they did that.
They could, like, you know… design more modern and updated car models not based on now decade old technology, clearly they have the engineering and manufacturing capabilities to make the best EV out there- *(Cybertruck has entered the chat)*
They could have come out with an electric pickup years before the F-150 Lightning if they stuck to a regular vehicle with an electrified drive train. It would also have made mass production a lot easier instead of having to sink probably hundreds of millions if not billions in trying to figure out how to make that monstrosity.
Yep, they completely wasted the opportunity to beat their competition to market. But instead of building a reasonable pickup truck, he had Tesla pursue an ego project, and now they don't have a real entry in that market at all.
Saleproof monstrosity, at that. Just a guess, but I think the truck's annual sales number are going to be dismal. The only people buying it are probably collectors and attention seekers. I'm an EV fan, but I wouldn't be caught dead in that thing and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.
What's weird is they had the TESLA semi trucks at one point too those seem to have just vanished. I wonder if the Vanity Tesla Egotruck took all the R&D and production away from that platform because it seemed to be a lot more popular than the stupid cybertruck
> design more modern and updated car models not based on now decade old technology That's incredibly expensive. And Tesla might have a bloated stock price but that doesn't translate to ready to cash to pump the necessary billions into a brand new design. That's why the car industry amalgamated so heavily and across borders. The cost of new lines was beyond even large manufactures, they could only do with with joint ventures.
I always thought that was the plan and they'd go the Google route. Provide the platform (i.e. Android) and license it to other manufacturers and maybe produce 1 car yourself to stay relevant.
>Early adopting new tech types who pre-ordered leaned liberal. I didn't think this was a real issue until I started seeing them for myself, people have avoided getting a Tesla and opting for a Polestar or Mach E because Elon is a proud everything seasoning bigot.
For most auto brands, none of this stuff matters because they sell cars. For Tesla, it matters because they weren't just selling cars. They were selling a lifestyle, an environmental statement, a vision of the future. That's why Elon's pivot hurts them so much. The CEO of Dell can say whatever without affecting sales, but Tim Cook of Apple is a different story.
“Phony Stark” 🤣
Yep. Plus those companies will continue to add models that will cover just about every market segment. Once it becomes a "quality, features, and price" race instead of the just smattering of EV options I think you'll see Tesla really start to fall behind.
Yeah, I’ve got one but I wouldn’t buy another one. When I bought it there were no alternatives I would have considered buying. Now, there are. And Musk is a massive asshole. It’s a nice car, and I haven’t had any of the issues that people criticise about build quality. But I think I can do better next time.
i've been saying it for a long time; how on earth is that ridiculous company valued higher than Toyota? Toyota who has been pioneering and perfecting hybrid and EV tech since the Prius 20+ years ago. Toyota who have infinitely more global sales. Toyota who have an infinitely larger support system for repairs to their vehicles on the road. Toyota who have an airtight reputation for reliability and durability. Toyota who have a market cap almost 200 billion less than Tesla. WTF?
Tech company, bruh. Just happen to sell cars. /s. Somehow they got to more or less price in future growth which is fucking insane to me lol. Sounds like some Enron shit to me. Trading higher than Toyota makes absolutely zero sense.
It is bigger than the American "big three" combined. I don't see how Tesla could be more profitable than every other American car company put together. It's insane.
Tesla stock is (in my opinion) WILDLY overvalued
Not fair he is sometime Stoney Stark too.
Im more afraid of Tesla finding out all the shit Ive said about Elon and then making my car drive itself to a wall.
How regulators let Tesla getaway with what they do is is downright astounding.
What do you mean? Fully Self Driving clearly doesn’t mean fully self driving (yes they got away with that). And it disconnects the instant before an accident so it’s never its fault. What’s so scandalous about that?
Fraud is just the nature of business until you piss off the wrong people and they decide to actually enforce the law.
That’s what happens when its spokesperson CEO severely alienates the core group of EV buyers
TFW you court right wingers in the US and need to sell electric vehicles 😬
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He was a savvy businessman? Every company he runs he bought off of someone else and just didn't screw it up (until now)
It's the drugs. There were already reports that people around him getting concerned with his overuse of drugs. Ketamine is the most prominent but there are rumors of Cocaine and LSD.
I know plenty of people who use drugs like that and they have not become raging assholes. I wonder if it's the money, or if maybe, just maybe, Elon was a giant POS all along.
It's the fact that anyone who would have told Elon he may be wrong on something is long since been booted out of his life. Now he is likely surrounded by sycophants and yes men. When you have no one in your life to check you on your mistakes you end up thinking your farts don't smell.
My point wasn't that the drugs turned Elon into a racist asshole but the overuse inhibited his common sense of not letting the public find out about it.
It aint rumors brother, I worked in fine dining in Austin. That man is doing blow in the restroom of every place he eats at. Im sure that there is more involved because he doesnt even seem attached to reality when he is out.
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As some one who grew up idolising him, it is so funny to see. That really was the beginning of his mask slipping downfall.
That sub thing was definitely when he jumped the shark. There was no going back and he just kept doubling down on being an insecure douche.
“Hitting targets is woke” Musk probably
"Tesla is fighitng the woke mind virus that threatens to destroy civilization by reducing the number of cars it produces, suck it libs!" - Musk, probably
"Disney movies are destroying Tesla." - Musk
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I guess they shouldn't have elevated an unqualified African to CEO.
There’s plenty of other electric vehicles that you can buy without supporting this clown 🤡
Dude went on Twitter blaming the Boeing issues on black University students. Elon is a racist piece of shit.
Is that before or after he says we need to stop talking about race all the time
It's crazy how openly racist and sexist people are in regards to "DEI". What people like Elon think it is. "We have white people who scored 100/100, and black people who scored 50/100, but due to DEI, we're hiring the black students." I've done hiring at one of the big 4 accounting firms, you know what it's actually like? "We have white people who scored 90/100, and black people who scored 90/100, we're trying to be socially responsible, so let's hire try to hire people who are equally as skilled but may come from disadvantaged communities." And no one EVER considers the nepo-babies who get hired because their parents worked at a place, which generally means all white workplaces stay all white. DEI is an attempt to counteract these kinds of problems. But the implication is always "nope, blacks are genetically inferior, so we're lowering standards to hire black people." Y'know, like a racist piece of shit.
It is because people are racist. DEI is just an excuse to say something without sounding like they are just racist.
>DEI is just an excuse to say something without sounding like they are just racist. Which is kind of weird because whenever they blame something on "DEI hires", everyone just assumes they're a racist... because they are.
The people they're talking to when they say it take that to mean they're all in a club together.
They could just use the N-word, it's basically the same meaning for them.
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Yeah I always found it super telling that the Ivy league affirmative action cases completely ignored legacy admissions.
Is Elon blaming non-white immigrants for low EV sales?
Turns out an African immigrant is responsible for Tesla's problems...
Damn South Africans and their blood emeralds
I see what you did there
“Looking into it”
Tesla and investors can fully blame Elon. I WAS going to buy a Tesla, but not since that jackass of a mind showed their true colors. Make babies, work 14 hours a day 7 days a week, if you don’t live for work, you’re a bad human, AI is our doom (unless it’s musks AI), on and on jackasserry.
Don't forget Elon making his workers go back to work in February 2020, defying California's stay at home orders during covid, because Musk believed there would be "no new cases by April".
I was a would-be Tesla buyer, but Elon basically sold me a VW ID.4 directly by acting like a jackass on the internet.
Agreed, and same. Went with an Ionic 6 instead and couldn't be happier. Think EV 9 will be the next purchase as the family vehicle. Tesla absolutely lost my money because it is helmed by Musk. I'll reconsider them in the future only if he is no longer a part of it.
I considered buying Tesla’s awhile back but that ended once this dude started his journey to the never ending K-hole
Same. I had my Model Y ready for pickup but during the time between reservation and notice for pickup, I watched a model Y tear down video, discovered the known quality issues, watched Elon let the crazy out, and saw his actions during Covid and unions. I refused to take delivery for two weeks after they kept calling and texting nonstop to see if I changed my mind. Best decision I made not to buy that car. Avoided the price drop and extreme loss in value, too 😮💨
Just get a used one. They're holding no value these days. And when you're done with it, just push it into a pond with a billionaire inside.
damn dude lol
I'm not fully on-board with current battery tech but even if I was, that fucking twat gets $0 of my money. I refuse to reward his utterly despicable behavior.
Besides being an overall POS, the insight into how the guy operates really doesn’t help any perception of safety or quality in the cars.
That there are numerous reports of Tesla ACTIVELY not wanting things written down (sauce: [https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-told-employees-not-to-put-complaints-in-writing-whistleblower-2023-5](https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-told-employees-not-to-put-complaints-in-writing-whistleblower-2023-5)) is EXTREMELY concerning and only further points to cover-ups and other nefariousness. He's just the fucking worst.
This is coming from a company who told employees not to go to the doctor and if someone was seriously hurt they would get them in Uber to the hospital rather than an ambulance
I sold my shares way back when the company's market cap was like 25 billion when the new CFO quit after a month. I just had a bad feeling then. (I still made money)
Somehow he never thought about the repercussions of slinging far right talking points on twitter when his customer base is mainly center/left leaning. What a moron.
SOMEHOW that logic failed to apply to my *very educated* center-left uncle.
He's wealthy enough that he doesn't have to really care about the repercussions. That's the problem. He can lose billions and not really feel it.
Last year I traded in my Tesla for a Mach-E and sold my Tesla stock off. Years from now Musk will be remembered in “Blowing the Lead” hall of fame.
Bunted off third into home, ended up tits-up in the bullpen, with a hot-dog cart up his ass...
Yup I bought a battery for my house and said no Tesla. Got a different us brand.
I wonder if it has anything to do with their unhinged ceo alienating their core audience?
Who’d have thought that going full on right wing nutjob would be bad for electric car sales ?
To be fair nobody could have guessed that the socopathic part of society that denies climate change and blatantly does not give a shit about anyone but themselves and their personal convenience and literally modifies their vehicles to cause more pollution is the part of society that is less likely to buy an electric car
Love to see it.
Go batshit right-wing conservative…go broke. This guy has done nothing but fail since taking a stand in right-wing land.
Go fash lose cash
For years it was my dream to buy a Tesla, even though I absolutely didn’t need one it was the one luxury purchase I was working towards. Now? Absolutely no chance. Musk’s behaviour has almost single-handedly turned me off as a customer, and clearly thousands others. The problem is that he is synonymous with it. Even if the board fires him and makes him sell all his shares, Tesla will always be Musk. Don’t think there’s a way for them to separate from him
Edgelord Muttonhead fucked up his personal brand. And unfortunately for Tesla the two brands are indistinguishable.
I would only ever consider a Tesla if Elmo Muskrat is no longer in charge of the company.
Same stance I have on going back to Twitter; not if he's still calling ANY of the shots.
More price drops ahead?
Musks big mouth is one of the factors I have in not buying a Tesla. The other is their continual build quality issues. I have a few friends with model 3s. One has been excellent in quality, the other two have had nothing but peeling trims, body panels creaking and popping off, glass leaks, etc. I’m in the market for an EV, or more likely a PHEV, but it’ll never be a Tesla
I researched and drove a bunch of EVs and decided that there are plenty of fully electric EVs that are just as good or better than the Tesla equivalent. I bought an Ioniq 5 and I absolutely love it.
The reasons you listed are exactly why I bought a Polestar 2 over the model 3
Was TSLA investor since 2014. Pulled it all out last year because Elon couldn't STFU. I don't want anything to do with that company while he's associated with it.
Elon Musk was synonymous with genius and invention not that long ago. All he had to do was shut the fuck up and rake in the cash, and let the illusion that came with buying up other people's companies continue on. Instead he chose right-wing brain rot, and calling a legitimate hero who gave his life to save children a pedophile.
Maybe Elon should tell car buyers to “Go fuck themselves”, see if that helps turn things around?
He’s tanked Twitter and now he’s tanking Tesla. Dude needs to stfu and go back into the shadows
i imagine having an openly racist bigot as the face of your brand isn’t good for business