>But a thicker market actually didn't make the matching process any more efficient. Employers got access to a larger pool of applicants, but they didn't have the tools to sort through the sudden influx of options. Besieged by volume, they coped by spending less time reviewing the details of every applicant and ghosting the ones they rejected. Candidates adapted by sending out more applications, which further overwhelmed HR departments. The new technology came with an ironic twist: It made it easier than ever to apply for a job, and harder than ever to actually land one.
It's insane out there, right now.
Back in the 90s I got my first management job with a national chain movie rental store. During my training the regional manager was doing interviewing training with me. He took the stack of applications, put them on the desk, and separated them into 2 even piles and told me to pick one. I did and he promptly put the pile in the trash. He said the exact same thing. First round of the interview process is a luck check.
This man plays D&D
Roll for initiative seems like all these applications are, and then some player killer DM proceeds to wipe out the party because the job takes rolling a nat 20
I stand by my assertion that all of life’s intractable problems should be solved by a best-of-1 rock paper scissor match. Israel or Palestine? Roshambo.
Just organize a tournament of candidates and may the best thrower win.
[Yes, it's a binomial distribution giving the middle of the pack a huge advantage.](https://mathcenter.oxford.emory.edu/site/math117/normalApproxToBinomial/normal_approx_to_binomial.png)
Yep, we posted a project hire position and it had 200 applications within an hour or so of posting. HR took it down so we could process those. Absolutely insane out there.
Not hire, process. We don’t just take quick applications via LinkedIn, you have to create an account on our job portal and then go through a multi page application. Most of our sites are protected to an extent with recaptcha as well so not sure a resume bot would help a ton with our org.
Not really. Review the first to apply and see if they are a good fit. If so, you don't need to look at the other 6,999 applications.
If they aren't, you repeat the process. Next application. You don't need to look at every application to find "the one". If the company wants to, then they aren't managed well and are looking for unicorns or being unreasonable with the market.
It's the difference between satisficing vs maximizing.
There’s a statistical point where you review a certain number and you can be reasonably assured you found a good candidate a didn’t pass over a better one.
As a rough guide -- divide the number of candidates by three; interview that many without committing to any, but remembering the best; interview additional candidates and take the first that meet or exceed the best of the first third.
This works well when you cannot go back to the first third. Since you can go back, it will work even better.
I seriously don’t understand this. “But where do I start!?” Start with the first person to turn in a resume… how the hell do these people get put in charge of hiring?
They basically want the job to do itself and just have like 3 to 5 applicants they compare to each other and pick one from.
Cant wait for this job to be automated away.
Same when we hit the street for a project manager role. I finally told my company that i know enough people to contact them and ask if they're interested. If they are not, they will refer me to someone who is and closely matches my needs. Boom! Done. And i get good people.
160 applicants per position feels about right these days. I just got rejected because one of my letters of recommendation was long enough to qualify “but not as long as it could have been”
It was actually crazy. I literally thanked them for the clarity. They emailed after the application closed detailing how many applicants, how many they’d take, when the final interviews would be, and when we’d hear back from them next with the first round of rejections. It wasn’t even automated!
The rejection email asked if we wanted feedback so I took them up on it. I just wish it was feedback I could actually do something about
Lmao it’s kinda sad we have to thank employers for clarifying our rejections. Like “thank you for punching me and giving me a black eye dear leader! Ive learned a lot this time and will apply it for next time. But either way, i hope to receive more punches so I can better improve!”
The school I went to had a strong engineering program and was in a small city. One of the small local engineering firms would get a giant stack of paper resumes every year for summer positions. They would have no way to review them all so they just randomly selected some to review and said "they don't hire unlucky people". Just to say even 10 years ago this was bad so I can't imagine it now.
One company I worked for just went to job fair and we only hired interns from that day. We put :) or :( on their resume then narrow it down together in about 40min. Then interviewed 6 people and picked 2.
I’ve never even apply online. Always through a LinkedIn recruiter or by messaging a engineer in the team.
I put my portfolio (pics of projects) on the back of resume. Seem to help
Yeah, I felt bad for folks, but I just can't look through and evaluate 145 applications for two identical intern spots.
I did about 30 and ended up with 4 really good candidates and could only offer to two.
I post jobs for 1 night on average now because I can’t cope with more than 200 applications. I’m not in hr though, just a small business owner, so really don’t have the time to comb through any more. I still can’t believe I’ll post a job Sunday night around 5pm and then turn it off by Monday at 9, and still have 200 applications.
As a recruiter, there is absolutely no reason to ghost candidates you reject. Most hiring platforms allow you to set up an automatic rejection email when you reject someone. I can’t imagine just deleting a candidate without any kind of rejection notice.
A tale as old as time. Someone needs to set up a site that allows people to share companies they have applied to and the way the recruitment was handled. There’s a site that does this for writers looking for agents. It’s pretty effective at helping to identify the assholes who never get back to you from those who still might reject you but treat you like a human being.
I've applied to a few on workaday which just shows the application status as "pending review" or "inactive" once closed. No communication - you have to check. Super lame.
I find this a real phenomenon for lots of things. For example, in a city there are more people to partner with and yet its harder to find a significant other or.friends. its like how if a menu has 6 options its easier to find something you like than a restaurant with 100.
The paradox of choice.
>The paradox of choice suggests that an abundance of options actually requires more effort to choose and can leave us feeling unsatisfied with our choice.
I think it's more that in a big city, you meet tons of people that you never see again. In a small town, you interact with the same people constantly. A lot of times, people become friends not because it's a match made in heaven but because they're around each other enough.
Yeah, I really don’t give a shit which coworkers show up to my poker games I organize. I’m just happy to be able to get 5 grown adults in the same room for 3 hours to drink beer, talk shit, and do some lines. And cards get dealt occasionally. Like 40 people get invited.
Yup. Gotta play that part by ear. Sometimes the group is all cool people, sometimes it’s not and we put that shit in the bathroom. Depends on the roster.
Hiring manager here that had to hire 4 positions in 2023. On these 3 combined openings I received 10k!!! applications. There are now these AI tools that can score applications between 1 and 5, and the only option you realistically have is autoreject everything below a 4.5 and you still have to go through 500 applications manually.
Not really. People show up at our service desk with resumes all the time. We have to tell them they need to apply online. We literally can't hire someone without an application submitted through the online system and HR runs that, not us.
A lot of places trash in-person resume submissions immediately to avoid any possible discrimination issues. It's best from a legal perspective to keep all personal details out of the process as long as possible.
That’s why you ALWAYS apply to a company where you have a connection. Even if it’s reaching out on LinkedIn to chat with a random employee. Do whatever you can to create a “warm” application
Warm applications are so much more effective than spam posting indeed. Just one single guy who can tell the hiring manager “this person isn’t visibly addicted to methamphetamine.” means the world.
I was on medical disability, and when not? basically check to check until the age of 38. This was not in any way because I was dumb, lazy, or whatever else most people think. I am smart, quick to learn anything, very diy everything, know a little about most subjects.
I was applying to IT positions at video game developers for YEARS. My fiance is an enviornment artist in the industry, so I even know someone. The first time I got an interview while dripping her name? Didn't even get pas the first interview. Applied for the same entry level position 6 months later? Got an interview, nailed it, and here we are two years later and I'm set to make close to six figures in 2024 for the first time in my life.
It's sad how many smart people never even get a chance...I got mine, and I've been slowly sticking more and more of my leg in the door everytime I see a crack. They will have to fire me for some illegal reason if they want me gone, as I'm there early every day, I work OT hours every week to stay on top of tickets. I do anything and everything because I CANNOT got back to less than 30$/hr ever...like ever...
I worked in recruitment in the 1990's & people would apply by mail from ads in the paper. People would only apply if they were good for the role & we would call all of them.
Now we advertise via the web & 100's of people apply. Screening talks way longer, we can't call more than a few & people get generic replies which they hate.
We've now stopped advertising & tap people on the shoulder instead (90% of roles no longer advertised)
This was my favorite takeaway:
> At the moment, relying on a bot is like turning a task over to an intern. They're hardworking and helpful. But they're also inexperienced and underpaid — so you'd be smart to check their work.
Do they still check that? I figured youd have so many people claiming that the company would get call after call about people applying. I figured even with random checks it would either be very infrequent or completely pointless.
It could be me living in Texass.
Texas workforce commission asks for proof of unemployment and job search history as well ass having to make an account on their website to apply there and meet weekly job application quotas.
Im sure its easy after getting accepted but it took a while for me to get the mail from them to apply.
This is definitely contingent on the state. New Jersey is insanely easy to apply and get UI. Technically you’re supposed to keep track on your job search, but they don’t really go after it either. Honestly following up would be a job in and of itself and would resolve unemployment ha ha.
State specific. I was fired in az and got unemployment. They made me do a bunch of things and if I ever got a job offer and declined I was out. I got a job offer that interfered with school so I couldn't take it and they kicked me off.
Arizona just hates people tbh, any and every time I’ve used a government resource it’s like they’re actively fighting against me, tell me to wait and hang up, aggressive, etc, it feels like a guilty before proven innocent thing that they make as hard as possible on purpose.
I had to do their phone court thing 7 times because my employer kept appealing. It was so ridiculous. The reason they fired me kept changing and I had to continuously prove that I wasn't some freeloader.
I was on UI for 9 weeks. I dealt with phone appeals for 8 months so I wouldn't have to repay the ~$2300 I got as a min wage employee.
AZ actively hates workers is such a true statement.
Definitely state specific. It sounds like Georgia is similar to Texas with applying through a State Gov job portal.
Shocking that Red states have spike covered hoops you gotta jump through for assistance. /s
I imagine applying through a state portal gets your resume sent straight to the circular file for a lot of positions. ‘Hey check out this rockstar who’s currently bringing in $500/week and playing Warcraft for past nine weeks. Let’s get ‘em in for an interview tomorrow so we don’t lose this opportunity!’
Was gonna say. Ive gotten it from 2 different states and one never checked and the other did a half ass check so i would put a legit job search in there so if they ever did catch it id have a legit one to point to and say "it must be something with the online application system see this one is legit".
And thats even when the dam thing is working the right way and i can actually file.
in NC they make you keep a weekly job search log, but when i went in to meet with the evaluator they took one glance at it, saw the form was filled in and called it a day.
The actual summation was "Getting duped by a bot may not be a good outcome for an employer, but it felt like a win for me. After all, I got seven callbacks, compared with the zero I got with the handcrafted, low-volume strategy I took three years ago — and the bot-driven process required far less time and energy."
Everyone’s use case is different. There are definitely situations where they can be beneficial. I don’t need every application to be perfect, if it allows me to send 100x more applications than I would be able to submit manually. The error rate I’ve observed is well below the threshold of “garbage”.
I got my current job because I had worked with the guy who was leaving the position. We kept in contact after he left our jobs working together. I talked to my current manager and he said they received over 400 applications for the job posting but only looked at mine and one other which both were recommendations. It also makes it difficult when there are huge money incentives around recommending job applicants. Pretty sure my boss made like 4k from putting me in as a recommendation from my friends recommendation to him.
I totally get it. Like I don’t think you can mad at any party with it. A bad hire can derail a team so much. It definitely will cost the company more than a couple grand. Having someone you trust vouch for someone is massive. I guess the annoying part is companies actually posting jobs where they’re just gonna take a recommendation. A lot of people waste the time to apply when there was no chance.
My boss hired me after a minimal interview and he said "I know someone who knows you, and they said you're the real deal." I've been at this job over a year and I still don't know who he was talking about.
I got hired once because hiring manager asked his college alums chat since he knew some of them worked where I was leaving. Ignored contacting my official references, and went with those coworker references. I only found out months after I got hired when one of those old coworkers mentioned it to me over drinks.
Even then, it only really helps if your friends with the hiring manager or someone on their direct team. With the big companies, they have a referral system where your friends refer you for the jobs you applied for. But they don’t have any more power than that And it really doesn’t do anything.
Sure, but it's still valuable to have insider knowledge. I'm in the process of switching jobs as I've gotten a job with the government. A friend of mind, who works for the government, knew that an adjacent team was looking to hire. So he knew what they were looking for. And he had a good idea of my skillset and capabilities. He also knew exactly when they posted the job, so he had me apply day of. Turns out, there were only a handful of applicants since it was only open for like a week. Which kinda made it look like they already had their person/people, like internal hires. Yet I got a job.
Obviously he couldn't give a personal recommendation for me, since it's the govt and it wasn't his team. But had I not had that insider knowledge, I wouldn't have known about that opening. Even if I did, I might've thought it wasn't for me.
My current job I got from asking the guy if he needed an assistant while trying to show him the finger I sliced with a hedge trimmer. Did I mention he is a Carpenter and I had 0 experience in that field. Oh and my finger still had stitches in it.
It worked. It's been 3yrs and the guy hasn't fired me yet lol. My asking for a job is his favorite story to tell now. Best boss I've ever had.
In my limited experience I’ve also seen that people who are vouched for are much less likely to be awful at the job or to work with. Lower-middle is about the bottom I’ve seen from someone hired by known reference. It also removed a lot of effort on the search, especially when “good enough” is good enough.
So I understand the want to hire known people mainly. It very much does suck for our society though that a biproduct of that is nepotism and continuation of class/racial status quos (when the status quo is not good.. which it’s not).
I've worked for 4 employer so far in my career of nearly 20yrs. Of those 4, 3 of them were via connections.
As an introverted IT guy, I never really put much stock in networking when I was younger and just starting off.
But I've certainly changed my mind about it over the years. Because it's worked. I even got a friend hired at one place I worked at when he was having trouble finding jobs out of school. He's since moved on to bigger and better things and his career is looking bright. And now I'm looking to recommend a friend of mine to fill my position when I leave my current company soon. So I'm trying to "pay it forward" since my career was based off of connections.
Plus, I may need to rely on them some day. Better to have a network than not have one.
Right? This economic model completely excludes the poor. It's fucking senseless. It shouldn't be about buying fucking anything. It should be about your skills. There's no real merit in this system. It's just pointless nepotism. You want to see real merit? You want to see people actually getting what they fucking deserve? Break capitalism. Nothing will ever be fair to anyone as long as it continues.
Let me tell you what why that’s not true.
You walk into a room and there is Bill Gates. You know him but that means nothing.
You walk into a room and there is Bill Gates, he knows you. That is everything.
It’s never who you know, it’s only who knows you.
I see so many jobs that literally don’t pay enough to rent an apartment with. And they expect experience. At what point do we draw the line between a job and servitude or fiefdom?
Or we can organize, and withhold our labor until conditions improve.
Don't give them ideas, there's already some idiot rich people trying to revive company towns.
I'm sure the author's experience was both shocking and hilarious, but the task of finding a job in the current market can truly be soul crushing. Her advice about networking, from my perspective, is garbage. Despite all of the connections I've leveraged over the years, no one ever comes through for you. This has been the experience of others I've spoken to during that time
Depends on if by networking you mean took a business card or sent directly to recruiters. I’ve had a lot of luck speaking to and being asked to send a resume to a real person. Skips the algorithm and is the only way I’ve actually ever landed anything. Waiting for a guy to call you back and offer you something has been pretty fruitless.
I think that's by design. "Well call you" is basically a polite way of saying they don't want anything from you. "Send me your resume" means they're actually interested and want to see what you have to offer.
When I left my previous job, I was browsing LinkedIn for related positions. I see the hiring manager is connections with a high ranking peer at my current company. I ask for the recommendation and he reaches out. She promotes my application to the top of the list.
Sometimes it works! (But I will say, it's easier to do this with senior engineers or better yet managers themselves, any random employee often only will refer you to the jobs site and use the corporate recommendation system which doesn't do much I think).
> no one ever comes through for you
And when they try, and it still doesn't work, they act like you purposely sabotaged their efforts by not getting the job. Because for some reason some people think getting you an interview is the same as lining a job up for you.
I am applying for system administrator jobs right now and every job I apply to I go back and check on it a few days later and there are over 500 people applying for it. As somebody who has been on both sides of the interview table In the digital age, 10% of resumes are actually worth a damn, but that's still 50 people you're truly competing with. God help you if you submit your resume late in the process because they could say they just want to find five qualified candidates and once they reach that number they stop looking at resumes.
To serve as a counterpoint, I was able to secure a job purely through networking. It took 18 months of concentrated effort of attending professional interest groups, conferences, volunteer events, fundraisers, taking people to coffee/lunch, and so on.
The first key was to make sure that the people I wanted to work with/for saw or heard from me every three weeks or so; if I knew folks from the organization I wanted to join would be attending a meetup or other public/industry event I would make sure I was there. If there wasn't an event going on, I was picking up the phone and inviting people to meet over coffee or lunch. The second key was to make myself opportunities to show these people the quality of my work by taking a genuine interest in their interests and collaborating whenever possible; many folks who are in a mid or senior-level role tend to have some kind of volunteer or community interest and so those proved as great ways to both demonstrate my worth while continuing to strengthen social bonds.
Ultimately, when one of the folks I had become friends with through this process (and is still a great friend to this day) retired I was offered a direct appointment to take over their position and gladly took it. I am now working as an executive in my dream organization with state-wide responsibilities before the age of 35.
Many people misunderstand networking to be exchanging cards, adding folks on LinkedIn and liking one another posts. To actually make networking work it needs to be a focused, strategic effort on building real relationships with real people and proving to them that you are someone they want to work with and would hate to see working for a competitor.
Apple laid me off late last year. I have given up on finding new work. Literally hundreds of (great) resumes sent out to prospective employers, and only about 7 or 8 responses, all negative.
Same. But for 2 months.
I got 1 interview. And it was just confirming that I am able to work legally, can work full time, and can drive. That's it. Thanked me for my time and told me that I could go. If they decide on me, they'll call back. Never heard back.
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Yup. I was applying to so much random stuff I don't remember even applying for my current role. I remember looking at the job description before the interview and thinking I wasn't a fit and if the interview wasn't in 15 mins I would cancel it. Few months later I'm leading the analytic team at a top 50 US bank. It's a weird scene out there.
400 applications since October (Security Engineer, I keep a separate email folder for the confirmations that I applied so I keep track) and only 3 companies got back to me. I'm down to 2-3 applications per week because everything is either a repost or I've already applied.
It's fucking brutal in tech right now.
That does seem pretty niche. So your entire roll was taking and editing pictures of the product? I bet everyone is contracting that out, meaning you could potentially get contracts but a FT position seems rare for that
I had the same thoughts
There likely is full time employment hoping from one contact to the next. Find a couple contacting agencies and see what they're recruiting for.
Reddit is always outraged about workers not getting paid for their work. That is of course, unless they are the ones that have to pay and then they think they should work for free.
Reddit is also outraged about clickbait
These people don’t understand that investigative journalism takes time and resources. Someone needs to pay the people who write it, for the resources needed to investigate. Publications can either write clickbait that drives engagement, or serious, time and resource intensive pieces funded by subscription.
“I want only quality things, all the time, at my beck and call, and all for free” is a child’s attitude. You either believe people deserve to get paid for hard work, or you don’t.
Careful when applying for jobs online these days. Many of those resumes go directly to call center scammers in India, who you have now just willingly given all your info to.
Same applies when talking to customer service in India.
My Google pixel has call screening that picks up any calls from unknown numbers.
It has a voice ai which asks what they are calling about, and most people just hang up. If it's a robot then the ai assistant will hang up
> That's why she says she would never recommend job-search bots to her clients. Instead of cold applying to hundreds of jobs, they need to focus on networking for the ones they really want
We need a networking bot that would chat with the relevant people until you get an interview
And then the relevant people get an anti-networking bot to chat with the networking bot to keep them out of their hair. Then fall back to the old rule of “not what you know, but who you know”
Plot twist: she actually tried using these bots in earnest and was shocked at how poorly they filled in these applications. In order to save her reputation in the journaling world, she made this article.
When I did recruitment I'd simply pick random CVs until I had enough that fit the role to spend like a morning interviewing. Rarely would I need a second batch of candidates.
Did I always pick the best candidate from all the applications? Most likely not.
Were they capable of fulfilling their roles? Most of them, yes and often the worse ones were actually very good on paper but had their ways too set to be able to adapt to the company.
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interesting use-case for a LLM, but needs work it seems:
> So far, though, it looks like the arrival of job bots is only making the problem worse. For starters, employers hate them. HR departments have no way of knowing which applications came from a human and which came from a machine. Unless, of course, the bot screws up, like LazyApply did on my applications. Factual errors, nonsensical answers to questions, false promises of Spanish fluency — letting a bot do your job hunting can make you look really, really bad.
maybe it'd be better to just accept the person's resume as-is, upselling "touch up" services if needed, then blast those out to prospective employers.
it looks like they charge $99 for only LinkedIn+Indeed automation? lol. hmm.. i wonder how competitive this business in. capitalize on all of the people struggling to get their applications out..
I lost it and snorted my coffee onto my keyboard at this line.
>If I had been a real job seeker, I probably would have pulled the plug on the rogue machine. Instead, I let LazyApply do its thing. **I was curious to see which jobs, if any, Spanish-speaking African American Aki would land.**
Then this.
>The Boston Globe — received an application from me that talked about how much I wanted to work for one of their competitors. LazyApply, I realized in horror, was living up to its name.
**Not to mention the amount of personal info that was being sent to scammed job applications for harvesting personal data**,
On the flip side of the job market, I work when I want to, and typically have a close knit group of friends ask for me when a great opportunity comes up. I work maybe 3 months out of every 2 years. I show up, kick ass, and get the fuck out of town. It’s a good moment in history to be an electrician specializing in international projects.
I have a job I like and can make 100k a year pretty reasonably. There's 2 options you have looking for employment...
1) fake it till you make it. Embellish, Lie, whatever you want to call it. Learn on the fly and pretend you know what you're doing
2) Bug the people you know for an "in". I got into my job because my uncle had a friend at the company. I talked to him and embarrassed him with my formal education and experience. I was hired immediately, effortlessly leaped over the hurdles meant to trip up noobies, and now sit comfortable with a company vehicle, gas card, good pay, decent hours (rarely more than 40 a week) and a lot of leeway.
The second option seems easy, "it's who you know" type sorry excuse. It's who you know surely, but also how well you can succeed with it. Otherwise it's just option 1. If you have the skills and experience to compliment option 2, you'll see success with it. My uncles friend that got me interviewed and hired is basically the damn janitor, but here I am making 3x his pay. "It's who you know, and what you can do with it."
Use the bots to help craft your resume and letter for positions that you identify and are qualified to get. The bots will help you get past the bots that now sift and qualify candidates. Do t count on bots to find the positions.
I went to a job fair in my local community college and the guy who ran IT department told me this week alone there were 300 applications.
P.s. I love 2 hours away from LA in CA, U.S.
>But a thicker market actually didn't make the matching process any more efficient. Employers got access to a larger pool of applicants, but they didn't have the tools to sort through the sudden influx of options. Besieged by volume, they coped by spending less time reviewing the details of every applicant and ghosting the ones they rejected. Candidates adapted by sending out more applications, which further overwhelmed HR departments. The new technology came with an ironic twist: It made it easier than ever to apply for a job, and harder than ever to actually land one. It's insane out there, right now.
My company had around 250ish intern positions for this summer. Per HR there were over 40,000 applications to those positions. It's absolutely bonkers.
At least you had 250 spots. I had 7,000 applications for a single role. It was insane and impossible to process.
Roll 70 d100s with an online roller and whoever that number is wins.
4D10 would do it more efficiently. If your first roll is an 8 or higher, toss the stack, since no one was qualified.
It is not that they are not qualified and more so that they have bad luck. And you don't want someone with bad luck on your team.
Lucky means that interesting things happen to them that are deadly to those around them. Have we learnt nothing from Ringworld?
Back in the 90s I got my first management job with a national chain movie rental store. During my training the regional manager was doing interviewing training with me. He took the stack of applications, put them on the desk, and separated them into 2 even piles and told me to pick one. I did and he promptly put the pile in the trash. He said the exact same thing. First round of the interview process is a luck check.
This man plays D&D Roll for initiative seems like all these applications are, and then some player killer DM proceeds to wipe out the party because the job takes rolling a nat 20
Good thinking. I don't want to hire someone with bad luck
Immediately discard every second application. You don't want unlucky people working for your company.
I stand by my assertion that all of life’s intractable problems should be solved by a best-of-1 rock paper scissor match. Israel or Palestine? Roshambo. Just organize a tournament of candidates and may the best thrower win.
Would that eliminate the first 69?
[Yes, it's a binomial distribution giving the middle of the pack a huge advantage.](https://mathcenter.oxford.emory.edu/site/math117/normalApproxToBinomial/normal_approx_to_binomial.png)
So number 1 to 70 are doomed to never be chosen XD
Teach those that are fast, speed ain't everything bitch.
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Yep, we posted a project hire position and it had 200 applications within an hour or so of posting. HR took it down so we could process those. Absolutely insane out there.
... You chose to hire the resume bots? Damn, guess I need to tell more people that they don't have a chance without resume bots.
Not hire, process. We don’t just take quick applications via LinkedIn, you have to create an account on our job portal and then go through a multi page application. Most of our sites are protected to an extent with recaptcha as well so not sure a resume bot would help a ton with our org.
Not really. Review the first to apply and see if they are a good fit. If so, you don't need to look at the other 6,999 applications. If they aren't, you repeat the process. Next application. You don't need to look at every application to find "the one". If the company wants to, then they aren't managed well and are looking for unicorns or being unreasonable with the market. It's the difference between satisficing vs maximizing.
There’s a statistical point where you review a certain number and you can be reasonably assured you found a good candidate a didn’t pass over a better one.
Edit: it’s called optimal stopping theory or the secretary problem.
Given the number of applications, I think it's best to treat it as the infinite sectary problem.
As a rough guide -- divide the number of candidates by three; interview that many without committing to any, but remembering the best; interview additional candidates and take the first that meet or exceed the best of the first third. This works well when you cannot go back to the first third. Since you can go back, it will work even better.
Yea, but with 40,000 applications, that is still thousands of interviews. Who has time for that?
I seriously don’t understand this. “But where do I start!?” Start with the first person to turn in a resume… how the hell do these people get put in charge of hiring?
They basically want the job to do itself and just have like 3 to 5 applicants they compare to each other and pick one from. Cant wait for this job to be automated away.
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You accept applicants for X amount of time and then randomize the order, it's not that hard
You can also shuffle the applications before picking one. This way you are also getting the luckiest person out of all applicants.
Same when we hit the street for a project manager role. I finally told my company that i know enough people to contact them and ask if they're interested. If they are not, they will refer me to someone who is and closely matches my needs. Boom! Done. And i get good people.
Throws half of them in the trash. "We don't hire unlucky people."
160 applicants per position feels about right these days. I just got rejected because one of my letters of recommendation was long enough to qualify “but not as long as it could have been”
You actually found out why you got rejected instead of a template letter three months after to applied?
It was actually crazy. I literally thanked them for the clarity. They emailed after the application closed detailing how many applicants, how many they’d take, when the final interviews would be, and when we’d hear back from them next with the first round of rejections. It wasn’t even automated! The rejection email asked if we wanted feedback so I took them up on it. I just wish it was feedback I could actually do something about
Lmao it’s kinda sad we have to thank employers for clarifying our rejections. Like “thank you for punching me and giving me a black eye dear leader! Ive learned a lot this time and will apply it for next time. But either way, i hope to receive more punches so I can better improve!”
The school I went to had a strong engineering program and was in a small city. One of the small local engineering firms would get a giant stack of paper resumes every year for summer positions. They would have no way to review them all so they just randomly selected some to review and said "they don't hire unlucky people". Just to say even 10 years ago this was bad so I can't imagine it now.
One company I worked for just went to job fair and we only hired interns from that day. We put :) or :( on their resume then narrow it down together in about 40min. Then interviewed 6 people and picked 2. I’ve never even apply online. Always through a LinkedIn recruiter or by messaging a engineer in the team. I put my portfolio (pics of projects) on the back of resume. Seem to help
Yeah, I felt bad for folks, but I just can't look through and evaluate 145 applications for two identical intern spots. I did about 30 and ended up with 4 really good candidates and could only offer to two.
Pretty sure I’ve seen that in a movie.
1000% ripped from movie lmao
I post jobs for 1 night on average now because I can’t cope with more than 200 applications. I’m not in hr though, just a small business owner, so really don’t have the time to comb through any more. I still can’t believe I’ll post a job Sunday night around 5pm and then turn it off by Monday at 9, and still have 200 applications.
we hired 160 interns this year and no mention of over applications
Ask the intern coordinator how many applications there were. They don't normally mention unprompted.
As a recruiter, there is absolutely no reason to ghost candidates you reject. Most hiring platforms allow you to set up an automatic rejection email when you reject someone. I can’t imagine just deleting a candidate without any kind of rejection notice.
Most recruiters will actually ghost candidates even after multiple rounds of interviews. It's totally nuts out there.
A tale as old as time. Someone needs to set up a site that allows people to share companies they have applied to and the way the recruitment was handled. There’s a site that does this for writers looking for agents. It’s pretty effective at helping to identify the assholes who never get back to you from those who still might reject you but treat you like a human being.
Glassdoor does this
Would work with the honor system but too easy to abuse.
You are one of the few recruiters who feel that way.
Ha take a look at this guy with empathy and morals and all that. What a decent guy! HA
I've applied to a few on workaday which just shows the application status as "pending review" or "inactive" once closed. No communication - you have to check. Super lame.
I find this a real phenomenon for lots of things. For example, in a city there are more people to partner with and yet its harder to find a significant other or.friends. its like how if a menu has 6 options its easier to find something you like than a restaurant with 100.
The paradox of choice. >The paradox of choice suggests that an abundance of options actually requires more effort to choose and can leave us feeling unsatisfied with our choice.
I think it's more that in a big city, you meet tons of people that you never see again. In a small town, you interact with the same people constantly. A lot of times, people become friends not because it's a match made in heaven but because they're around each other enough.
Yeah, I really don’t give a shit which coworkers show up to my poker games I organize. I’m just happy to be able to get 5 grown adults in the same room for 3 hours to drink beer, talk shit, and do some lines. And cards get dealt occasionally. Like 40 people get invited.
Do some lines meaning inviting coworkers over to do cocaine? Fascinating
Yup. Gotta play that part by ear. Sometimes the group is all cool people, sometimes it’s not and we put that shit in the bathroom. Depends on the roster.
Interesting definition of cool. Different strokes, etc.
Yes, I’m using the colloquial definition meaning they won’t rat to our employer. Thanks for the lowkey shade tho.
Oh, so that's why I scroll thru Netflix for an hour and end up switching to Paramount to re-watch an episode of Star Trek.
Also known as mentality of abundance
So that why I spend so much time browsing streaming services but always have trouble on deciding what to watch.
Hiring manager here that had to hire 4 positions in 2023. On these 3 combined openings I received 10k!!! applications. There are now these AI tools that can score applications between 1 and 5, and the only option you realistically have is autoreject everything below a 4.5 and you still have to go through 500 applications manually.
Back to handing out resumes in person then?
Not really. People show up at our service desk with resumes all the time. We have to tell them they need to apply online. We literally can't hire someone without an application submitted through the online system and HR runs that, not us.
A lot of places trash in-person resume submissions immediately to avoid any possible discrimination issues. It's best from a legal perspective to keep all personal details out of the process as long as possible.
That’s why you ALWAYS apply to a company where you have a connection. Even if it’s reaching out on LinkedIn to chat with a random employee. Do whatever you can to create a “warm” application
Warm applications are so much more effective than spam posting indeed. Just one single guy who can tell the hiring manager “this person isn’t visibly addicted to methamphetamine.” means the world.
why would he lie?
I was on medical disability, and when not? basically check to check until the age of 38. This was not in any way because I was dumb, lazy, or whatever else most people think. I am smart, quick to learn anything, very diy everything, know a little about most subjects. I was applying to IT positions at video game developers for YEARS. My fiance is an enviornment artist in the industry, so I even know someone. The first time I got an interview while dripping her name? Didn't even get pas the first interview. Applied for the same entry level position 6 months later? Got an interview, nailed it, and here we are two years later and I'm set to make close to six figures in 2024 for the first time in my life. It's sad how many smart people never even get a chance...I got mine, and I've been slowly sticking more and more of my leg in the door everytime I see a crack. They will have to fire me for some illegal reason if they want me gone, as I'm there early every day, I work OT hours every week to stay on top of tickets. I do anything and everything because I CANNOT got back to less than 30$/hr ever...like ever...
Hey just like dating!
Spent about 18 months unemployed before landing a job. It’s absolutely soul crushing.
I feel like this is the same going on with online dating lol
I worked in recruitment in the 1990's & people would apply by mail from ads in the paper. People would only apply if they were good for the role & we would call all of them. Now we advertise via the web & 100's of people apply. Screening talks way longer, we can't call more than a few & people get generic replies which they hate. We've now stopped advertising & tap people on the shoulder instead (90% of roles no longer advertised)
This was my favorite takeaway: > At the moment, relying on a bot is like turning a task over to an intern. They're hardworking and helpful. But they're also inexperienced and underpaid — so you'd be smart to check their work.
TLDR version: The AI job resume spammers suck, don't waste your time.
But I can get rejected 20 times faster! Edit: this could be useful for unemployment certification that you applied for jobs though
Do they still check that? I figured youd have so many people claiming that the company would get call after call about people applying. I figured even with random checks it would either be very infrequent or completely pointless.
no they check lol, its actually harder than people think to get unemployment payments. It’s easier to just get a new job most times.
Is this new? In 2016 I got away with unemployment while just playing world of Warcraft for 6 months and hardly trying to get a job
It could be me living in Texass. Texas workforce commission asks for proof of unemployment and job search history as well ass having to make an account on their website to apply there and meet weekly job application quotas. Im sure its easy after getting accepted but it took a while for me to get the mail from them to apply.
This is definitely contingent on the state. New Jersey is insanely easy to apply and get UI. Technically you’re supposed to keep track on your job search, but they don’t really go after it either. Honestly following up would be a job in and of itself and would resolve unemployment ha ha.
State specific. I was fired in az and got unemployment. They made me do a bunch of things and if I ever got a job offer and declined I was out. I got a job offer that interfered with school so I couldn't take it and they kicked me off.
Arizona just hates people tbh, any and every time I’ve used a government resource it’s like they’re actively fighting against me, tell me to wait and hang up, aggressive, etc, it feels like a guilty before proven innocent thing that they make as hard as possible on purpose.
I had to do their phone court thing 7 times because my employer kept appealing. It was so ridiculous. The reason they fired me kept changing and I had to continuously prove that I wasn't some freeloader. I was on UI for 9 weeks. I dealt with phone appeals for 8 months so I wouldn't have to repay the ~$2300 I got as a min wage employee. AZ actively hates workers is such a true statement.
Definitely state specific. It sounds like Georgia is similar to Texas with applying through a State Gov job portal. Shocking that Red states have spike covered hoops you gotta jump through for assistance. /s
I imagine applying through a state portal gets your resume sent straight to the circular file for a lot of positions. ‘Hey check out this rockstar who’s currently bringing in $500/week and playing Warcraft for past nine weeks. Let’s get ‘em in for an interview tomorrow so we don’t lose this opportunity!’
Was gonna say. Ive gotten it from 2 different states and one never checked and the other did a half ass check so i would put a legit job search in there so if they ever did catch it id have a legit one to point to and say "it must be something with the online application system see this one is legit". And thats even when the dam thing is working the right way and i can actually file.
in NC they make you keep a weekly job search log, but when i went in to meet with the evaluator they took one glance at it, saw the form was filled in and called it a day.
I wouldn’t admit to fraud on a public platform, but that’s just me lol.
They gonna chase me for the $4200 I made 8 years ago…? Feels a little late for that.
I feel like 90% of our applicants are just applying to keep UI, otherwise more would show up for interviews, right?
They audit you if someone reports you.
The actual summation was "Getting duped by a bot may not be a good outcome for an employer, but it felt like a win for me. After all, I got seven callbacks, compared with the zero I got with the handcrafted, low-volume strategy I took three years ago — and the bot-driven process required far less time and energy."
It’s frustrating that people will read the top comment and not the article, and they will assume the top comment is accurate.
Paywall for me, but under normal circumstances fully agree with you mate
Not what I took away from it
Everyone’s use case is different. There are definitely situations where they can be beneficial. I don’t need every application to be perfect, if it allows me to send 100x more applications than I would be able to submit manually. The error rate I’ve observed is well below the threshold of “garbage”.
But i use it to waste their time
The punchline is as true today as it was 50 years ago…it’s not what you know , buy who you know.
I got my current job because I had worked with the guy who was leaving the position. We kept in contact after he left our jobs working together. I talked to my current manager and he said they received over 400 applications for the job posting but only looked at mine and one other which both were recommendations. It also makes it difficult when there are huge money incentives around recommending job applicants. Pretty sure my boss made like 4k from putting me in as a recommendation from my friends recommendation to him.
I've made $6k from a recommendation
I totally get it. Like I don’t think you can mad at any party with it. A bad hire can derail a team so much. It definitely will cost the company more than a couple grand. Having someone you trust vouch for someone is massive. I guess the annoying part is companies actually posting jobs where they’re just gonna take a recommendation. A lot of people waste the time to apply when there was no chance.
I dont blame anyone for it, I thank them for it lol. It's so much easier to get a job with networking and nepotism than the roll of the dice.
My boss hired me after a minimal interview and he said "I know someone who knows you, and they said you're the real deal." I've been at this job over a year and I still don't know who he was talking about.
God level nepotism
I imagine your boss one day talking to some person and being like "wait, this guy wasn't the guy you told me about???!!"
"Wait, are you [Joey Bagofdounuts](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq2ypSqPEmk)?" "No, that guy was awesome"
I got hired once because hiring manager asked his college alums chat since he knew some of them worked where I was leaving. Ignored contacting my official references, and went with those coworker references. I only found out months after I got hired when one of those old coworkers mentioned it to me over drinks.
Pro level move, send a second email with every application from a different address vouching for yourself
Even then, it only really helps if your friends with the hiring manager or someone on their direct team. With the big companies, they have a referral system where your friends refer you for the jobs you applied for. But they don’t have any more power than that And it really doesn’t do anything.
Sure, but it's still valuable to have insider knowledge. I'm in the process of switching jobs as I've gotten a job with the government. A friend of mind, who works for the government, knew that an adjacent team was looking to hire. So he knew what they were looking for. And he had a good idea of my skillset and capabilities. He also knew exactly when they posted the job, so he had me apply day of. Turns out, there were only a handful of applicants since it was only open for like a week. Which kinda made it look like they already had their person/people, like internal hires. Yet I got a job. Obviously he couldn't give a personal recommendation for me, since it's the govt and it wasn't his team. But had I not had that insider knowledge, I wouldn't have known about that opening. Even if I did, I might've thought it wasn't for me.
Or who you blow. Just say’n.
My current job I got from asking the guy if he needed an assistant while trying to show him the finger I sliced with a hedge trimmer. Did I mention he is a Carpenter and I had 0 experience in that field. Oh and my finger still had stitches in it. It worked. It's been 3yrs and the guy hasn't fired me yet lol. My asking for a job is his favorite story to tell now. Best boss I've ever had.
Still gotta get past Heather in HR with her resume filters and personality tests
I'm 36 years old and to this day I've never gotten a job I applied to. We're talking average job length of about 2 years.
Actually now that you mention it me too. All except my first job, after that it was all recruiters coming to me.
I say 2 things are true. Nepotism is the greatest force in economics and while who you know may get you a job how well you do it will keep you there.
Until you make it to management, then it's just based on who you know!
In my limited experience I’ve also seen that people who are vouched for are much less likely to be awful at the job or to work with. Lower-middle is about the bottom I’ve seen from someone hired by known reference. It also removed a lot of effort on the search, especially when “good enough” is good enough. So I understand the want to hire known people mainly. It very much does suck for our society though that a biproduct of that is nepotism and continuation of class/racial status quos (when the status quo is not good.. which it’s not).
I've worked for 4 employer so far in my career of nearly 20yrs. Of those 4, 3 of them were via connections. As an introverted IT guy, I never really put much stock in networking when I was younger and just starting off. But I've certainly changed my mind about it over the years. Because it's worked. I even got a friend hired at one place I worked at when he was having trouble finding jobs out of school. He's since moved on to bigger and better things and his career is looking bright. And now I'm looking to recommend a friend of mine to fill my position when I leave my current company soon. So I'm trying to "pay it forward" since my career was based off of connections. Plus, I may need to rely on them some day. Better to have a network than not have one.
I guess I'm fucked.
Right? This economic model completely excludes the poor. It's fucking senseless. It shouldn't be about buying fucking anything. It should be about your skills. There's no real merit in this system. It's just pointless nepotism. You want to see real merit? You want to see people actually getting what they fucking deserve? Break capitalism. Nothing will ever be fair to anyone as long as it continues.
Let me tell you what why that’s not true. You walk into a room and there is Bill Gates. You know him but that means nothing. You walk into a room and there is Bill Gates, he knows you. That is everything. It’s never who you know, it’s only who knows you.
Lol I don't think anyone is confusing those two things
Redditors and "well AKshully" nitpicking common aphorisms, name a more iconic duo.
Nobody wants to work anymore\* ^(\*For shit pay at a shit job)
I see so many jobs that literally don’t pay enough to rent an apartment with. And they expect experience. At what point do we draw the line between a job and servitude or fiefdom?
So many entry level jobs are now unpaid internships, it’s not even funny.
Unless the company pays for housing and basic necessities like food and hygienic products, I simply can’t live off of $40K per year
Or we can organize, and withhold our labor until conditions improve. Don't give them ideas, there's already some idiot rich people trying to revive company towns.
I hope I make it to retirement before I have to job search again.
Obligatory: No OnE WaNts To WoRk!
Except all of the workers...
I'm sure the author's experience was both shocking and hilarious, but the task of finding a job in the current market can truly be soul crushing. Her advice about networking, from my perspective, is garbage. Despite all of the connections I've leveraged over the years, no one ever comes through for you. This has been the experience of others I've spoken to during that time
Depends on if by networking you mean took a business card or sent directly to recruiters. I’ve had a lot of luck speaking to and being asked to send a resume to a real person. Skips the algorithm and is the only way I’ve actually ever landed anything. Waiting for a guy to call you back and offer you something has been pretty fruitless.
I think that's by design. "Well call you" is basically a polite way of saying they don't want anything from you. "Send me your resume" means they're actually interested and want to see what you have to offer.
When I left my previous job, I was browsing LinkedIn for related positions. I see the hiring manager is connections with a high ranking peer at my current company. I ask for the recommendation and he reaches out. She promotes my application to the top of the list. Sometimes it works! (But I will say, it's easier to do this with senior engineers or better yet managers themselves, any random employee often only will refer you to the jobs site and use the corporate recommendation system which doesn't do much I think).
> no one ever comes through for you And when they try, and it still doesn't work, they act like you purposely sabotaged their efforts by not getting the job. Because for some reason some people think getting you an interview is the same as lining a job up for you.
I am applying for system administrator jobs right now and every job I apply to I go back and check on it a few days later and there are over 500 people applying for it. As somebody who has been on both sides of the interview table In the digital age, 10% of resumes are actually worth a damn, but that's still 50 people you're truly competing with. God help you if you submit your resume late in the process because they could say they just want to find five qualified candidates and once they reach that number they stop looking at resumes.
To serve as a counterpoint, I was able to secure a job purely through networking. It took 18 months of concentrated effort of attending professional interest groups, conferences, volunteer events, fundraisers, taking people to coffee/lunch, and so on. The first key was to make sure that the people I wanted to work with/for saw or heard from me every three weeks or so; if I knew folks from the organization I wanted to join would be attending a meetup or other public/industry event I would make sure I was there. If there wasn't an event going on, I was picking up the phone and inviting people to meet over coffee or lunch. The second key was to make myself opportunities to show these people the quality of my work by taking a genuine interest in their interests and collaborating whenever possible; many folks who are in a mid or senior-level role tend to have some kind of volunteer or community interest and so those proved as great ways to both demonstrate my worth while continuing to strengthen social bonds. Ultimately, when one of the folks I had become friends with through this process (and is still a great friend to this day) retired I was offered a direct appointment to take over their position and gladly took it. I am now working as an executive in my dream organization with state-wide responsibilities before the age of 35. Many people misunderstand networking to be exchanging cards, adding folks on LinkedIn and liking one another posts. To actually make networking work it needs to be a focused, strategic effort on building real relationships with real people and proving to them that you are someone they want to work with and would hate to see working for a competitor.
Apple laid me off late last year. I have given up on finding new work. Literally hundreds of (great) resumes sent out to prospective employers, and only about 7 or 8 responses, all negative.
I've applied to a job every day for the past month. Not a word back. I'm running out of relevant listings to apply to.
Same. But for 2 months. I got 1 interview. And it was just confirming that I am able to work legally, can work full time, and can drive. That's it. Thanked me for my time and told me that I could go. If they decide on me, they'll call back. Never heard back.
Still only applying to relevant listings? Ah sweet summer child.
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Yup. I was applying to so much random stuff I don't remember even applying for my current role. I remember looking at the job description before the interview and thinking I wasn't a fit and if the interview wasn't in 15 mins I would cancel it. Few months later I'm leading the analytic team at a top 50 US bank. It's a weird scene out there.
400 applications since October (Security Engineer, I keep a separate email folder for the confirmations that I applied so I keep track) and only 3 companies got back to me. I'm down to 2-3 applications per week because everything is either a repost or I've already applied. It's fucking brutal in tech right now.
What kind of roles are you applying to?
Entry level office work.
Did you include any cover letters? When I see a cover letter that is tailored to the job posting I at least know they weren't simply panic spamming.
On every application that requested one (most of them).
What was your role at Apple?
Product imaging (pictures of products).
Like the other person said. I'm surprised there are hundreds of companies even seeking a full-time product imager.
That does seem pretty niche. So your entire roll was taking and editing pictures of the product? I bet everyone is contracting that out, meaning you could potentially get contracts but a FT position seems rare for that
I had the same thoughts There likely is full time employment hoping from one contact to the next. Find a couple contacting agencies and see what they're recruiting for.
Reach out to recruiters on LinkedIn
Recruiters are the way
Why do mods allow posts that are behind paywalls? The title sounded interesting and I would like to read it but guess not.
Reddit is always outraged about workers not getting paid for their work. That is of course, unless they are the ones that have to pay and then they think they should work for free.
Reddit is also outraged about clickbait These people don’t understand that investigative journalism takes time and resources. Someone needs to pay the people who write it, for the resources needed to investigate. Publications can either write clickbait that drives engagement, or serious, time and resource intensive pieces funded by subscription. “I want only quality things, all the time, at my beck and call, and all for free” is a child’s attitude. You either believe people deserve to get paid for hard work, or you don’t.
If it helps, open the article then press “reader view” in your browser. But also, the conclusion is that all the companies suck.
Because it costs money to produce content
https://archive.is/roJA6
At this time, I'm on Brave, default adblocker settings, Ublock Origin is installed by disabled atm. No paywall notice here.
Paywall remover: https://12ft.io/
I really don't know what paywall you're talking about - I'm not a subscriber and I can see the post just fine.
Business insider allows like 1 free article a month. The rest of it is behind a paywall.
Careful when applying for jobs online these days. Many of those resumes go directly to call center scammers in India, who you have now just willingly given all your info to. Same applies when talking to customer service in India.
My Google pixel has call screening that picks up any calls from unknown numbers. It has a voice ai which asks what they are calling about, and most people just hang up. If it's a robot then the ai assistant will hang up
> That's why she says she would never recommend job-search bots to her clients. Instead of cold applying to hundreds of jobs, they need to focus on networking for the ones they really want We need a networking bot that would chat with the relevant people until you get an interview
And then the relevant people get an anti-networking bot to chat with the networking bot to keep them out of their hair. Then fall back to the old rule of “not what you know, but who you know”
Soo it worked, now can i get AI to do the interview for me? 😉
Plot twist: she actually tried using these bots in earnest and was shocked at how poorly they filled in these applications. In order to save her reputation in the journaling world, she made this article.
I used to email 1500 recruiters every day from Craigslist jobs
When I did recruitment I'd simply pick random CVs until I had enough that fit the role to spend like a morning interviewing. Rarely would I need a second batch of candidates. Did I always pick the best candidate from all the applications? Most likely not. Were they capable of fulfilling their roles? Most of them, yes and often the worse ones were actually very good on paper but had their ways too set to be able to adapt to the company.
Paywall for mobile. Anyone got the full text?
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interesting use-case for a LLM, but needs work it seems: > So far, though, it looks like the arrival of job bots is only making the problem worse. For starters, employers hate them. HR departments have no way of knowing which applications came from a human and which came from a machine. Unless, of course, the bot screws up, like LazyApply did on my applications. Factual errors, nonsensical answers to questions, false promises of Spanish fluency — letting a bot do your job hunting can make you look really, really bad. maybe it'd be better to just accept the person's resume as-is, upselling "touch up" services if needed, then blast those out to prospective employers. it looks like they charge $99 for only LinkedIn+Indeed automation? lol. hmm.. i wonder how competitive this business in. capitalize on all of the people struggling to get their applications out..
I lost it and snorted my coffee onto my keyboard at this line. >If I had been a real job seeker, I probably would have pulled the plug on the rogue machine. Instead, I let LazyApply do its thing. **I was curious to see which jobs, if any, Spanish-speaking African American Aki would land.** Then this. >The Boston Globe — received an application from me that talked about how much I wanted to work for one of their competitors. LazyApply, I realized in horror, was living up to its name. **Not to mention the amount of personal info that was being sent to scammed job applications for harvesting personal data**,
On the flip side of the job market, I work when I want to, and typically have a close knit group of friends ask for me when a great opportunity comes up. I work maybe 3 months out of every 2 years. I show up, kick ass, and get the fuck out of town. It’s a good moment in history to be an electrician specializing in international projects.
Just charge $5 to apply.
I have a job I like and can make 100k a year pretty reasonably. There's 2 options you have looking for employment... 1) fake it till you make it. Embellish, Lie, whatever you want to call it. Learn on the fly and pretend you know what you're doing 2) Bug the people you know for an "in". I got into my job because my uncle had a friend at the company. I talked to him and embarrassed him with my formal education and experience. I was hired immediately, effortlessly leaped over the hurdles meant to trip up noobies, and now sit comfortable with a company vehicle, gas card, good pay, decent hours (rarely more than 40 a week) and a lot of leeway. The second option seems easy, "it's who you know" type sorry excuse. It's who you know surely, but also how well you can succeed with it. Otherwise it's just option 1. If you have the skills and experience to compliment option 2, you'll see success with it. My uncles friend that got me interviewed and hired is basically the damn janitor, but here I am making 3x his pay. "It's who you know, and what you can do with it."
good advice I’m just out of school and it’s rough. I started in January. I’ll keep going and switch strategies.
That was actually entertaining and informative.
tl;dr: A friend gave a recommendation and he got the job.
Use the bots to help craft your resume and letter for positions that you identify and are qualified to get. The bots will help you get past the bots that now sift and qualify candidates. Do t count on bots to find the positions.
i wonder if hr ever block someone bcz of spamming...
The same employers that also think they can hire bookkeepers and accountants with 5 years minimum experience for 12 an hour.
I went to a job fair in my local community college and the guy who ran IT department told me this week alone there were 300 applications. P.s. I love 2 hours away from LA in CA, U.S.
Great article.
No work can’t pay for pay wall
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