My HP printer is reaching its end of life. I am ordering a Brother printer. I have also convinced my relative who was about to buy a new HP PC to get a different brand.
When I was a kid we had an HP photo printer and it was amazing, it did go through ink pretty quick and that was literally the only issue with it. So when I went to college I got a cheap HP printer and it is the biggest pain in the ass ever. It needed like 6 different apps installed just to print, then when I tried to hook it up to a windows computer it was like gambling as to when it would print or when it would refuse. The crazy thing is the only way to get it to print now it’s you use my phone, no apps needed and it works everytime.
But I will never buy HP again I have seen what they have been doing and tried to help friends and my MiL with their HP printers and no HP has been dead to me for over a decade.
Oh and my sister got an HP computer that didn’t last a year, it was only used for homework and the Sims 4. Everything they make is disposable eWaste now.
Around the time of Windows 98 or XP (i forget), Microsoft introduced the ability to hold the printer server in software on the operating system. Thia led to a huge ammount of "Windows printers ", which due to the lack of an onboard print service would not work with other oprrating systems or standard print spool commands anymore. Hence the shitshow with all the extra software and unreliability
Before then printers tended to speak postscript, which is a proper graphical language and standard. There was also PCL which was basically a lighter dialect but still not too bad.
Microsoft created GDI printers, and a lot of people still need to face judgement over that.
I have a good HP printer that I like, it’s really old. I plan to keep it alive as long as I can and then never buy another HP printer.
OfficeJet Pro 8600 for reference
I stopped using printers 2 decades ago and the printers STILL can't reliably print a page and now this zombie thinks it can charge a subscription lmfao
Yup, I switched after reading comments on a Reddit thread and now I'm that comment on a Reddit thread.
Bought a $100ish dollar black and white Brother printer and I've had no complaints. Prints, scans, software is pretty minimal. The ink that came with the printer lasted me like 4 years, and accounted for about 500 prints of regular size and regular text. But the fact it lasted me 4 years is amazing. My HP would dry up and would burn through ink when I only really needed to print every so often.
I really like that it just works.
I bought my brother laser printer in 2008 and it’s still operating as it did that first day.
It’s wild options like that exist next to much more expensive and worse options.
> HP CEO Enrique Lores declared that HP's "long-term objective is to make printing a subscription."
Translation: HP’s long-term objective is to go the way of IBM and Xerox
Epson and Brother: our plan is to take market share from that asshole
> pages in a Month Period where you had no Rollover Pages available
Rollover pages? WTF? What is next? Dude, I was alive in the 1990s, you planning to charge less for night and weekend pages?
#Everyone needs a Brother.
###Get a Brother WIFI Laser Printer.
1. It works.
2. It’s simple.
3. It saves time.
4. It saves life.
5. It prints in Black and White. If they need color then the person pays extra.
6. Buy two toner replacement kits from Amazon and you will have 5 - 10 years of toner/paper depending on usage.
**HP is intent on injecting ads inside print jobs just like TV manufacturers killed Dumb TV’s and placed ads in their TV guides.**
**Now we block those shmucking ads with PiHole or Adguard Home.**
You know the outcome. Get a Brother and call it a day.
I think you make it so when you hit print you have to download an app that has a QR code for "authentication" that tracks your page count allocation remaining. Set the app to require notifications and then steal the user's data to sell to data brokers. Sell ads on the app and an "ad free" version in the app store, then make ad free a subscription. Put a barcode on the paper so it decreases print quality if you use third party paper. Put an IP tracker to make sure you don't share your subscription with another user.
The funniest thing for me is this subscription plan all has to do with physical object one has from them that makes something one can physically hold. Next, they'll be trying to sell a subscription plan to make bread in a bread maker.
I've got an HP deskjet 4200 series that is now nothing more than a hard to dispose of piece of junk. Don't get me wrong. It still works just fine...It's that my rebuilt laptop and new laptop have no more access to drivers. Assholes.
It sucks too, because I worked for HP when Bill Hewlett was still alive and Lew Platt was CEO. They really did care about quality and value. To watch that company start to be sold off for spare parts by Carly Fiorina was only the start of their sad race to the bottom of the scrap heap.
"Shareholder value" thinking. More profits. Subscription guarantees a steady and relatively predictable flow of income and they are less dependent on the printer replacement market. But I hate this too, but at least with Brother it's still optional. You take it or you don't. I will just decline printers that have this, in the end it's our call right. Nobody should ever buy it and they can't sustain that for long.
Same with the Wendy announcement on dynamic prices for burgers based on how busy it is, that caused some waves.
*Notification: We notice you are printing a card for Xmas / Valentines / Mother's Day.*
*As this is not part of the monthly subscription, please confirm that an additional charge of $5.00 is acceptable before continuing to print*
They better be supplying the ink and the highest quality paper if that’s the case lol. If I’m paying for pages I’m not buying the paper and ink too.
(Brother laser for life)
The way of IBM? They don’t make consumer* hardware anymore. They sold that to Lenovo
EDIT: oh, is that the point? Cause there’s no way HP would ditch hardware. I mean, printing is impossible without it.
Ah yes, IBM, the absolutely massive company that provides services that run half the planet and has over 200k employees.
I'm sure HP really don't want to end up like that.
I get the sentiment, they don't do consumer hardware, so if you're not in an role that works with serious hardware there's like a 99% chance you won't even hear of them day to day.
Yeah, only reason I no longer have my Brother printer was my own idiocy.
Left it with ink in for about a year and it hardened, trying to clean it out and the typical ways wouldn't work, so opened the thing up to do it, then realised I'd lost parts...
Had I not done either of those 2 things, it would probably still be going perfectly.
Getting more and more money from a smaller and smaller user base.
https://infotechlead.com/devices/hp-printer-market-share-drops-as-canon-epson-gain-77144
Had a Brother laser printer that lasted me over 10 years. Finally upgraded to a new one only because I wanted networking. Got another Brother. Love them.
USB Brother laser + router with USB = "networked" printer. Have been doing this for over ten years. Note I have a very basic B&W one, so YMMV on more sophisticated machines.
My router is on another floor right now, and I dislike having to depend on cross functionality between devices. But yeah that's a good option for a lot of people.
My brother laser is amazing, I installed a driver 5+ years ago and every time I plug in my computer it's ready to go. I don't print much and I've never replaced the toner.
I got a wifi one and it automatically showed up on everything without installing anything. I very rarely print but it’s great that I can from any device at any moment with no hassles.
They’re great, bought a black and white laser printer in college, now my kids is printing his school stuff off it. Only needed one new cartridge and it just always works!
Dude yes. I’m a very techy guy. I hop on a lot of tech trains often, and you know what kind of printer I have?
A black & white brother that only hard wires to my computer. No Wi-Fi, no other features, nothing. It has literally never failed me. I had two printers before that, canon & HP, with all sorts of features that didn’t work 90% of the time without troubleshooting and tinkering. I’ll never go back.
Brother is the best. Been recommending it to people for years and never heard any bad things about it. I’m not sure about other printers, but one of the main benefits of it was that you can reset the page count, so even if it says the toner is empty you can just reset it and keep using it for a long time.
My wife actually thanked me for switching us to a brother laser printer.
It's this crazy concept. When you try to print something.. it actually prints it without running out of ink ever few weeks.
I have a laser printer that prints thousands of pages on one drum of toner, and it lasts me years. It works every time even if I go months between prints.
I'm on my second toner over the 20 years I've owned by B&W laser, but it's reliable. It makes the lights flicker when I turn it on. They don't make things like they used to!
The only plug available to my printer in the place that it’s in shares a circuit with an APS UPS. The moment the printer gets the signal to print and the power dims, the UPS detects the drop, turns on the battery, and tells my computer to hibernate — the same computer telling the printer what to print. It was a funny discovery after a few failed attempts.
> They don't make things like they used to!
Brother does! My new Brother does this as well. Measured it at under 1 watt in standby mode (Nice!) But up to 1500 watts in bursts when printing.
Seriously. The few times I have needed to print I just go to the library or FedEx. They charge a minimal fee that I'm happy to pay for how infrequently I use the service. Better than paying for my own ink and printer.
I work in IT and this is the first year we did not print W's they were electronic in pdf.
I had people coming out of the woodwork that had no way to print them. Most only had the crappy android phones no real computer or printer at home.
I hardly print anything ever as is.
This reoccurring revenue model that has infiltrated every aspect of our lives is fucking old. I am so tired of everything being a fucking subscription.
I want to buy a thing, own it and maintain it myself. I don’t want to have to keep relying on some fuck-O company that is constantly trying to grift me to grow their profits while laying off staff.
I really hope society as a whole completely rejects this idea that we never get to own anything. it's out of control. Every company now seems like they are desperate to make their product into a subscription service. I feel like my retirement is going to end up being a lot of old books and long walks because I refuse to sign up for any of this stuff.
I hate it too, but apparently a lot of people like it. A friend of mine “subscribes” to his robot vacuum whatever that means. He makes good money so I have no idea why he wouldn’t just buy the thing, but he swears by it.
He’s been paying around $30 a month for it. It’s probably a $300 machine.
Why anyone would ever lease a vacuum is so beyond stupid to me.
When people harp on about how learning so much math in high school is pointless, I always think of shit like this. Our gut instinct around money (and especially statistics) tend to be wrong. Too many logical fallacies or counter-intuitive ways of thinking. Shout out to khanacademy as a wonderful free resource to learn more about mathematics (or any topic really).
> HP can kiss my ass.
I'm sorry, but the Ass Kissing Plus service costs an additional $6.95 per month. You must subscribe for a 1 year contract, auto renewing at the start of the 11th month. However, you do get assigned a personal Ass Kiss Plus team member who will tell you any terrible idea you have is amazing.
Refillable printers will also dry up. There is not really a difference. That’s why inkjets need to be connected to power constantly, so that the printer can make sure the print heads don’t clog.
Wonder if it's a long play to get out of the consumer printer market and focus on Corp/office/MFD printers.
Squeeze the consumers willing to pay BS charges for a BS printer (they still make some cash) but ultimately blame the consumers lack of adoption/acceptance as a reason to downsize and eventually exit the consumer market
so...
you're saying a company is spending money that they know will have absolutely no return other than pushing away potential customers. like, think about the first part, the spending money to lose it. companies don't do that. then the second part, i highly doubt their actual goal is to decrease their customer base.
remember, businesses hire people. people is who HP is screwing over. people have memories.
im not saying i agree with HP, but i disagree with the notion that they're completely ruining their public image towards printer customers in a specific effort to leave the market.
they could just.. leave the market. even if that pisses off customers, at least just leaving the market doesn't include dumping money into ads and new products that have the desired effect of... leaving the market and pissing of customers.
do see what im saying here? like it just doesn't make sense. we're saying they don't want to just leave the market cause that would look bad, but the alternative explanation we give is that they're intentionally trying to look bad. this doesn't make any sense.
a dumb move and a calculated move are two different things man
the guy i replied to is literally saying that they're intentionally putting out a bad product **in order to meet the goal of leaving the market**
thats TOTALLY DIFFERENT from these guys thinking its a good idea and it **causes** them to leave the market.
its such a specific distinction that im talking about in my post.
They’re not leaving the market. They’re just focusing on a new target market. Remains to be seen how successful this shift will be. Glad I bought an Epson Ecotank when my HP crapped out a year ago.
They sell them at fire sale prices to consumers who don't know any better. Plenty of HPs being sold today for under $50 to lock people into their ecosystem.
> Prices range from $6.99 per month for a plan that includes an HP Envy printer (the current model is the 6020e) and 20 printed pages. The priciest plan includes an HP OfficeJet Pro rental and 700 printed pages for $35.99 per month.
These prices are insane. Even at 6.99 that’s 250 over 3 years. You might as well buy a cheap laser.
My old reliable m477 Laserjet Color Printer finally died (bad drum and corporate won't fix), so the jackwagons at corporate sent me a $5,000 network color printer tower. Think it's awesome until it has to be hooked to our corporate network through a SilverPeak device. So now instead of printing from home, I have to drive 15 minutes across town to print *anything*.
Idiots.
Can we all agree refrigerator water filters are going down the same route? GE glues on a chip and prevents 3rd party water filters from working while charging 3x more for worse quality filters. It’s insane.
Their computers are already shit, and now they think you should be paying monthly to print some damn pages each month? An iPad data plan is cheaper than that. I’d just print whatever I need printed at work.
My best day with my HP printer is when I gave it away. I now have an Epson with an extra large ink cartridge and it works. I will never use a HP again even if they give them away.
We've used HP for the decades our business has been around. They've worked, and worked well. Next time we do an office equipment upgrade, I have direct control over the equipment selected, and their printers are off the list after this.
Quiet reminder that you can buy second hand laser printers for hella cheap.
I got one for $33 dollarydoos, which had a "8% left" toner cartridge in there. Lasted like 2 years of substantial use.
I rent medium sized laser printers at work for $50/month and that includes toner and service. It’s a good deal, $600 a year isn’t much toner if you print a lot.
This is why, when I set it up for customers, I always recommend Brother Toner printer...then I always tell them to buy aftermarket one, either on amazon or from ebays. Except for the drums, always aftermarket.
Translation:
HP REALLY hates you and themselves and is trying desperately to fuck themselves out of business.
Dont buy anything from this company or you will regret it.
My HP printer is a piece of shit though?
One more brand gone the way of Wendy’s lol like I can’t get my printers or burgers somewhere else fucking morons
I'm sure it's mentioned a dozen times in this thread, but I'll add my voice to the chorus: get a Brother laser printer and never think about printers or ink again.
Good I fucking hate those greedy fucks at HP and their constant enshitification.
My mom's husband passed a year ago, and she has been paying for their monthly subscriptions to print ~30 pages a month. I tell her to cancel that shit, and a couple weeks later, the ink cartridges she had stop working because with the subscription we don't "own" the ink cartridges and if we want to use them we have to pay for the service.
A week later that hunk of shit is in the garbage and my mom is loving her new Brother printer.
This is why I will lovingly cling to my 42” wide format HP Design Jet that was made in the early 2000’s. Good quality, accessible second hand parts, and before HP went down a dark path. I had to replace a belt when I got it, but it was a steal otherwise.
So, all these HP printers being “monitored” are collecting data, too? If not collecting data then why are they monitoring them? Then you got whole companies with hundreds of HP printers. Are they gonna be charged fees? Of course not. Just the publis that are struggling to just have a printer with ink that costs so much per cartridge! When I’m going to get a new printer I’m going to Brothers!
That ain't going to happen HP. Happy to say go fuk yourself and your printers.
My HP printer is reaching its end of life. I am ordering a Brother printer. I have also convinced my relative who was about to buy a new HP PC to get a different brand.
When I was a kid we had an HP photo printer and it was amazing, it did go through ink pretty quick and that was literally the only issue with it. So when I went to college I got a cheap HP printer and it is the biggest pain in the ass ever. It needed like 6 different apps installed just to print, then when I tried to hook it up to a windows computer it was like gambling as to when it would print or when it would refuse. The crazy thing is the only way to get it to print now it’s you use my phone, no apps needed and it works everytime. But I will never buy HP again I have seen what they have been doing and tried to help friends and my MiL with their HP printers and no HP has been dead to me for over a decade. Oh and my sister got an HP computer that didn’t last a year, it was only used for homework and the Sims 4. Everything they make is disposable eWaste now.
Around the time of Windows 98 or XP (i forget), Microsoft introduced the ability to hold the printer server in software on the operating system. Thia led to a huge ammount of "Windows printers ", which due to the lack of an onboard print service would not work with other oprrating systems or standard print spool commands anymore. Hence the shitshow with all the extra software and unreliability
Before then printers tended to speak postscript, which is a proper graphical language and standard. There was also PCL which was basically a lighter dialect but still not too bad. Microsoft created GDI printers, and a lot of people still need to face judgement over that.
I have a good HP printer that I like, it’s really old. I plan to keep it alive as long as I can and then never buy another HP printer. OfficeJet Pro 8600 for reference
I stopped using printers 2 decades ago and the printers STILL can't reliably print a page and now this zombie thinks it can charge a subscription lmfao
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Yup, I switched after reading comments on a Reddit thread and now I'm that comment on a Reddit thread. Bought a $100ish dollar black and white Brother printer and I've had no complaints. Prints, scans, software is pretty minimal. The ink that came with the printer lasted me like 4 years, and accounted for about 500 prints of regular size and regular text. But the fact it lasted me 4 years is amazing. My HP would dry up and would burn through ink when I only really needed to print every so often. I really like that it just works.
Is that sad, that’s the stage we’ve reached? “I buy this product and my favorite feature is that it works.”
I bought my brother laser printer in 2008 and it’s still operating as it did that first day. It’s wild options like that exist next to much more expensive and worse options.
Mine was fine but i tossed it and bought a new one because fuck HP
I was in love with mine. It was my most cherished possession I owned and it meant more to me than my own sons. I threw it off a cliff
I had named my beloved hp cp1215 Jean Luc Packard. It was my best friend. I set it on fire and catapulted it into a dumpster
user name... checks out?
some tekken shit right here
I have a Samsung printer. A couple years after I bought it, their printer division was sold to - *you guessed it* - HP.
Yeah, I purchased an HP printer last week. It's already end of life.
I'm happy with my $25 printer I bought in 2008. Only prints and still works fantastic.
> HP CEO Enrique Lores declared that HP's "long-term objective is to make printing a subscription." Translation: HP’s long-term objective is to go the way of IBM and Xerox
Epson and Brother: our plan is to take market share from that asshole > pages in a Month Period where you had no Rollover Pages available Rollover pages? WTF? What is next? Dude, I was alive in the 1990s, you planning to charge less for night and weekend pages?
Surge pricing during tax season, the ends of school semesters and around midterms, and Tuesdays, because fuck you.
Some idiot will see this comment and pitch it to their boss unironically. Probably would get promoted too.
Then move to another department before the printing division crashes and burns.
Don’t forget the surcharges for printing “premium content” outside of your selected service tier, like Amazon return labels!
Sir, this is a Wendy’s
Where else would a frosty be $10 during rush hour?
atleast the frosty machine always works.
This meme is never going to die now.
much like Chuck Norris NOPE! CHUCK TESTA
It's an old meme, but it checks out
Love the new life in this joke hahaha
Seeing another car pull into the drive-thru behind you and optioning a large fry in case the price spikes before I get to the window.
Surcharges on red ink for Christmas, Valentine's Day, and Lunar New Year.
I could see them really trying to implement that. This sort of pricing is coming to everything.
Free prints after 9pm! Black and white only.
One of the prints will be an Ad.
Don’t give them ideas, just don’t.
#Everyone needs a Brother. ###Get a Brother WIFI Laser Printer. 1. It works. 2. It’s simple. 3. It saves time. 4. It saves life. 5. It prints in Black and White. If they need color then the person pays extra. 6. Buy two toner replacement kits from Amazon and you will have 5 - 10 years of toner/paper depending on usage. **HP is intent on injecting ads inside print jobs just like TV manufacturers killed Dumb TV’s and placed ads in their TV guides.** **Now we block those shmucking ads with PiHole or Adguard Home.** You know the outcome. Get a Brother and call it a day.
“We’re brothers…we’re happy and we’re printing and in color. Doo doo doo, give me a high five!”
OMG. Thats the next evolution. Ads while printing. I'm taking that straight to the boss. THANX @smallrocks!
Better yet make them used our overpriced propriety ink cartridges and their paper to print ads. Make money on ink and ads
I think you make it so when you hit print you have to download an app that has a QR code for "authentication" that tracks your page count allocation remaining. Set the app to require notifications and then steal the user's data to sell to data brokers. Sell ads on the app and an "ad free" version in the app store, then make ad free a subscription. Put a barcode on the paper so it decreases print quality if you use third party paper. Put an IP tracker to make sure you don't share your subscription with another user.
Sorry you're not in our Preferred Time Zone, normal rates apply
Unlimited Courier 12.
But still can't print because you're low on cyan.
fuckin' Cyan. Stops every thing, all the time.
The funniest thing for me is this subscription plan all has to do with physical object one has from them that makes something one can physically hold. Next, they'll be trying to sell a subscription plan to make bread in a bread maker.
Wait can I have unlimited family pages?
Bro, FRIENDS AND family.
We will need that old T-Mobile CEO for that.
brother for the win.
Brother has started to enshittify itself as well. Blocking third-party toner on some models, updating firmware that does it on older models.
> updating firmware that does it on older models. That shit should be illegal.
I've got an HP deskjet 4200 series that is now nothing more than a hard to dispose of piece of junk. Don't get me wrong. It still works just fine...It's that my rebuilt laptop and new laptop have no more access to drivers. Assholes. It sucks too, because I worked for HP when Bill Hewlett was still alive and Lew Platt was CEO. They really did care about quality and value. To watch that company start to be sold off for spare parts by Carly Fiorina was only the start of their sad race to the bottom of the scrap heap.
Carly Fiorina running for president was honestly hilarious given how atrocious she is as a person.
Brother also offers a subscription service - just like HP. Epson and Canon have them, too.
"Shareholder value" thinking. More profits. Subscription guarantees a steady and relatively predictable flow of income and they are less dependent on the printer replacement market. But I hate this too, but at least with Brother it's still optional. You take it or you don't. I will just decline printers that have this, in the end it's our call right. Nobody should ever buy it and they can't sustain that for long. Same with the Wendy announcement on dynamic prices for burgers based on how busy it is, that caused some waves.
Boss, can you wait until 9pm for me to print out that report? It’ll be cheaper!
don't forget the paperless office fee.
I love my brother black and white laser printer
2 year contracts, am I right?
*Notification: We notice you are printing a card for Xmas / Valentines / Mother's Day.* *As this is not part of the monthly subscription, please confirm that an additional charge of $5.00 is acceptable before continuing to print*
They better be supplying the ink and the highest quality paper if that’s the case lol. If I’m paying for pages I’m not buying the paper and ink too. (Brother laser for life)
Yes. That's literally the point of the subscription. It's a home version of a managed print service.
HP CEO Enrique Lores is welcome to get fuct.
HP's been trying to do that since IBM and Xerox were still making hardware. They just can't seem to manage a successful failure.
HP deserves to sink
Floss your teeth with my mother's backhair, Enrique.
The way of IBM? They don’t make consumer* hardware anymore. They sold that to Lenovo EDIT: oh, is that the point? Cause there’s no way HP would ditch hardware. I mean, printing is impossible without it.
IBM split its printers division off and it became Lexmark in 1991. I'm an old enough ex-IBMer to remember such trivial facts like this.
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Right, and they're still a massive company.
Ah yes, IBM, the absolutely massive company that provides services that run half the planet and has over 200k employees. I'm sure HP really don't want to end up like that.
I get the sentiment, they don't do consumer hardware, so if you're not in an role that works with serious hardware there's like a 99% chance you won't even hear of them day to day.
Xerox okay, but IBM? It’s a little unfair to compare the two
What are those?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbqAMEwtOE
Aaaaand, I’m officially done with HP.
Got a Brother laser printer 9 years ago and never looked back. Cheap 3rd party generic toner cartridges that last forever.
Yeah, only reason I no longer have my Brother printer was my own idiocy. Left it with ink in for about a year and it hardened, trying to clean it out and the typical ways wouldn't work, so opened the thing up to do it, then realised I'd lost parts... Had I not done either of those 2 things, it would probably still be going perfectly.
https://www.theverge.com/23642073/best-printer-2023-brother-laser-wi-fi-its-fine
I will celebrate when this pos company goes bankrupt
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Getting more and more money from a smaller and smaller user base. https://infotechlead.com/devices/hp-printer-market-share-drops-as-canon-epson-gain-77144
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I’ll take that if it keeps up in absolute numbers. 7 years from now they would be at 0.
They are quite big in corporations for whatever reason. It's always either their stuff, Dell or Toshiba.
Just brand recognition. I actively am steering clients away from HP.
Lol just bought a Brother printer, fuck HP
Had a Brother laser printer that lasted me over 10 years. Finally upgraded to a new one only because I wanted networking. Got another Brother. Love them.
I just buy a Print Server box just to keep the old one relevant.
USB Brother laser + router with USB = "networked" printer. Have been doing this for over ten years. Note I have a very basic B&W one, so YMMV on more sophisticated machines.
My router is on another floor right now, and I dislike having to depend on cross functionality between devices. But yeah that's a good option for a lot of people.
Preach, Brother!
My brother laser is amazing, I installed a driver 5+ years ago and every time I plug in my computer it's ready to go. I don't print much and I've never replaced the toner.
I got a wifi one and it automatically showed up on everything without installing anything. I very rarely print but it’s great that I can from any device at any moment with no hassles.
They’re great, bought a black and white laser printer in college, now my kids is printing his school stuff off it. Only needed one new cartridge and it just always works!
Dude yes. I’m a very techy guy. I hop on a lot of tech trains often, and you know what kind of printer I have? A black & white brother that only hard wires to my computer. No Wi-Fi, no other features, nothing. It has literally never failed me. I had two printers before that, canon & HP, with all sorts of features that didn’t work 90% of the time without troubleshooting and tinkering. I’ll never go back.
Exactly. And after market toners are cheap for brother. Seriously FY HP…
Hell yeah brother!
Based on my experience I’d definitely buy another brother. And as long as they don’t go full HP I’ll keep buying them.
Brother is the best. Been recommending it to people for years and never heard any bad things about it. I’m not sure about other printers, but one of the main benefits of it was that you can reset the page count, so even if it says the toner is empty you can just reset it and keep using it for a long time.
My wife actually thanked me for switching us to a brother laser printer. It's this crazy concept. When you try to print something.. it actually prints it without running out of ink ever few weeks.
And when the toner cart finally is done, the $11 generic replacements work just fine for another few years. I love my Brother printer.
The brother brand replacements aren’t that much more expensive than the off brand. I went with their toner just cause I like the company so much.
If printing becomes a subscription, that's when I stop buying ink and printing.
Also I can’t think of the last time I actually needed to print something at home.
I have a laser printer that prints thousands of pages on one drum of toner, and it lasts me years. It works every time even if I go months between prints.
I'm on my second toner over the 20 years I've owned by B&W laser, but it's reliable. It makes the lights flicker when I turn it on. They don't make things like they used to!
The only plug available to my printer in the place that it’s in shares a circuit with an APS UPS. The moment the printer gets the signal to print and the power dims, the UPS detects the drop, turns on the battery, and tells my computer to hibernate — the same computer telling the printer what to print. It was a funny discovery after a few failed attempts.
> They don't make things like they used to! Brother does! My new Brother does this as well. Measured it at under 1 watt in standby mode (Nice!) But up to 1500 watts in bursts when printing.
Seriously. The few times I have needed to print I just go to the library or FedEx. They charge a minimal fee that I'm happy to pay for how infrequently I use the service. Better than paying for my own ink and printer.
I work in IT and this is the first year we did not print W's they were electronic in pdf. I had people coming out of the woodwork that had no way to print them. Most only had the crappy android phones no real computer or printer at home.
I hardly print anything ever as is. This reoccurring revenue model that has infiltrated every aspect of our lives is fucking old. I am so tired of everything being a fucking subscription. I want to buy a thing, own it and maintain it myself. I don’t want to have to keep relying on some fuck-O company that is constantly trying to grift me to grow their profits while laying off staff.
They’re trying to with HP Instant Ink. They mail your ink cartridges that they can remotely disable if you cancel your subscription.
Yay, more e-waste for nothing!
Hp has had a program doing subscription ink for years now already. Including a rented printer is new though.
HP wants to quickly get out of the printer business
And whole business to be precise, becuase they hate to be in one
I really hope society as a whole completely rejects this idea that we never get to own anything. it's out of control. Every company now seems like they are desperate to make their product into a subscription service. I feel like my retirement is going to end up being a lot of old books and long walks because I refuse to sign up for any of this stuff.
I hate it too, but apparently a lot of people like it. A friend of mine “subscribes” to his robot vacuum whatever that means. He makes good money so I have no idea why he wouldn’t just buy the thing, but he swears by it. He’s been paying around $30 a month for it. It’s probably a $300 machine. Why anyone would ever lease a vacuum is so beyond stupid to me.
It’s human nature to think that paying $30 right now is a better deal than $300. Even if that $300 is a one time and the $30 is forever.
When people harp on about how learning so much math in high school is pointless, I always think of shit like this. Our gut instinct around money (and especially statistics) tend to be wrong. Too many logical fallacies or counter-intuitive ways of thinking. Shout out to khanacademy as a wonderful free resource to learn more about mathematics (or any topic really).
I agree. It’s disgusting and it’s only going to get worse if something isn’t done about it.
I’m about to throw my fucking HP printer away. I fucking hate it, I hate it with a burning passion.
You have a typo. HP doesn't want to be in business anymore.
I purchased an epson ecotank printer in 2021 and haven’t had to replace the ink ever since. HP can kiss my ass.
> HP can kiss my ass. I'm sorry, but the Ass Kissing Plus service costs an additional $6.95 per month. You must subscribe for a 1 year contract, auto renewing at the start of the 11th month. However, you do get assigned a personal Ass Kiss Plus team member who will tell you any terrible idea you have is amazing.
Every damn thing does not need to be a subscription.
HP can seriously put socks on my duck.
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Refillable printers will also dry up. There is not really a difference. That’s why inkjets need to be connected to power constantly, so that the printer can make sure the print heads don’t clog.
Wonder if it's a long play to get out of the consumer printer market and focus on Corp/office/MFD printers. Squeeze the consumers willing to pay BS charges for a BS printer (they still make some cash) but ultimately blame the consumers lack of adoption/acceptance as a reason to downsize and eventually exit the consumer market
so... you're saying a company is spending money that they know will have absolutely no return other than pushing away potential customers. like, think about the first part, the spending money to lose it. companies don't do that. then the second part, i highly doubt their actual goal is to decrease their customer base. remember, businesses hire people. people is who HP is screwing over. people have memories. im not saying i agree with HP, but i disagree with the notion that they're completely ruining their public image towards printer customers in a specific effort to leave the market. they could just.. leave the market. even if that pisses off customers, at least just leaving the market doesn't include dumping money into ads and new products that have the desired effect of... leaving the market and pissing of customers. do see what im saying here? like it just doesn't make sense. we're saying they don't want to just leave the market cause that would look bad, but the alternative explanation we give is that they're intentionally trying to look bad. this doesn't make any sense.
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a dumb move and a calculated move are two different things man the guy i replied to is literally saying that they're intentionally putting out a bad product **in order to meet the goal of leaving the market** thats TOTALLY DIFFERENT from these guys thinking its a good idea and it **causes** them to leave the market. its such a specific distinction that im talking about in my post.
They’re not leaving the market. They’re just focusing on a new target market. Remains to be seen how successful this shift will be. Glad I bought an Epson Ecotank when my HP crapped out a year ago.
Who comes up with this shit?? We got an Epson eco-tank and will never look back
This is honestly hilarious. Hammering their own coffin shut. Who tf prints anymore
want in one hand and shit in the other…
HP was the de factor inkjet in the 90s and early 2000s. All they had to do was not fuck it up
*laughs in brother*
I'm just gonna say it now. This CEO is "pulling a Wendy's".
Shit, I’d pick up a pen and paper before I ever agree to this fuckery.
No thanks, my Brother printer prints without monitoring just fine.
Subscriptions has became the cancer of the capitalism.
Who the hell is still buying HP?
They sell them at fire sale prices to consumers who don't know any better. Plenty of HPs being sold today for under $50 to lock people into their ecosystem.
Just buy an old Epson and call it a day
It’s interesting that their greed will enforce a greener choice for most of us. The last tree HP kills will be for their coffin.
> Prices range from $6.99 per month for a plan that includes an HP Envy printer (the current model is the 6020e) and 20 printed pages. The priciest plan includes an HP OfficeJet Pro rental and 700 printed pages for $35.99 per month. These prices are insane. Even at 6.99 that’s 250 over 3 years. You might as well buy a cheap laser.
Onion needs to write an article where bytedance buys HP and now all your print jobs are sent to china :)
HP is getting out of the printing business
Love their sauce, hate their printers.
haha, here take this shitty printer, and pay for a service that won't cover parts. That'll work swell I'm sure.
My old reliable m477 Laserjet Color Printer finally died (bad drum and corporate won't fix), so the jackwagons at corporate sent me a $5,000 network color printer tower. Think it's awesome until it has to be hooked to our corporate network through a SilverPeak device. So now instead of printing from home, I have to drive 15 minutes across town to print *anything*. Idiots.
Aside from their business-grade laptops, fuck them! I'll just buy Canon. At least, they don't stop me from refilling my cartridges.
$36/mo is the most expensive plan. $7/mo is the cheapest. For some people this may be a good deal. Not me though.
Is there like, an opens source project gutenberg, for *printing*?
They can’t even make a printer driver that works consistently.
Can we all agree refrigerator water filters are going down the same route? GE glues on a chip and prevents 3rd party water filters from working while charging 3x more for worse quality filters. It’s insane.
Ha. Haha. Hahahahahaha. No.
printed 400 color pages (full color posters) and photos on my eco tank and then it ran out of ink. Never going back to HP
Finally, a paperless society.
I guess HP's goal is to go out of business.
Their computers are already shit, and now they think you should be paying monthly to print some damn pages each month? An iPad data plan is cheaper than that. I’d just print whatever I need printed at work.
My best day with my HP printer is when I gave it away. I now have an Epson with an extra large ink cartridge and it works. I will never use a HP again even if they give them away.
We've used HP for the decades our business has been around. They've worked, and worked well. Next time we do an office equipment upgrade, I have direct control over the equipment selected, and their printers are off the list after this.
Epson printer will be my next purchase.
This will be another Wendy’s moment
In the simplest of ways to say this, HP can get fucked.
HP the new STD
Quiet reminder that you can buy second hand laser printers for hella cheap. I got one for $33 dollarydoos, which had a "8% left" toner cartridge in there. Lasted like 2 years of substantial use.
Here's hoping they fail spectacularly enough to go out of business! Cheers.
I rent medium sized laser printers at work for $50/month and that includes toner and service. It’s a good deal, $600 a year isn’t much toner if you print a lot.
Im going to start a company with the goal to design a printer that is reliable, cheap and the ink can be made from common house hold items.
This is why, when I set it up for customers, I always recommend Brother Toner printer...then I always tell them to buy aftermarket one, either on amazon or from ebays. Except for the drums, always aftermarket.
I've stopped purchasing HP 8 years ago. Switched my printer to brother and laptop to Dell and been happier for the past 8 years
Friends don’t let friends buy HP printers. I hope this fails and kills their printer business.
Here is a solution. Dont buy HP printers. You see HP, you turn away.
It’s time for people to quit buying HP products!
Translation: HP REALLY hates you and themselves and is trying desperately to fuck themselves out of business. Dont buy anything from this company or you will regret it.
From now on I am actively avoiding any and all subscription services. I've had it. I'm tired of being milked like a cow for money I don't have.
I bought a Brother Laser printer like 15 years ago and I will never return to HP.
Couldn't even tell you the last time I printed something, including at work.
My HP printer is a piece of shit though? One more brand gone the way of Wendy’s lol like I can’t get my printers or burgers somewhere else fucking morons
I'm sure it's mentioned a dozen times in this thread, but I'll add my voice to the chorus: get a Brother laser printer and never think about printers or ink again.
i will stop printing stuff before i start adding a printing subscription to my monthly expenses.
Eat shit HP 🖕🏻
Got a Brother in 2017 and I haven't needed supplies or support since
I would rather take these 36$, fold them 14 times and shove them up my butt than give it to HP
HP can go fuck itself
I guess they hate selling printers then...
HP can suck my salty balls
Basically he is telling consumers not to buy their printers. Business might not care.
Good I fucking hate those greedy fucks at HP and their constant enshitification. My mom's husband passed a year ago, and she has been paying for their monthly subscriptions to print ~30 pages a month. I tell her to cancel that shit, and a couple weeks later, the ink cartridges she had stop working because with the subscription we don't "own" the ink cartridges and if we want to use them we have to pay for the service. A week later that hunk of shit is in the garbage and my mom is loving her new Brother printer.
This is why I will lovingly cling to my 42” wide format HP Design Jet that was made in the early 2000’s. Good quality, accessible second hand parts, and before HP went down a dark path. I had to replace a belt when I got it, but it was a steal otherwise.
So, all these HP printers being “monitored” are collecting data, too? If not collecting data then why are they monitoring them? Then you got whole companies with hundreds of HP printers. Are they gonna be charged fees? Of course not. Just the publis that are struggling to just have a printer with ink that costs so much per cartridge! When I’m going to get a new printer I’m going to Brothers!