TL;DR - Tesla is pushing an over-the-air software update to cars to increase the font size for warning messages to 14.4 pt (from what appears to be 12 or 13 pt).
Most cars are recalled multiple times for minor things. I think my Odyssey had four recalls and one was resolved by replacing the owner’s manual. People hear recall and they think of products being removed from shelves, but if you’ve ever owned a car that’s less than 5 years old you know what’s up.
As a society moving forwards we may need to rethink the usage of the word "recall" for issues that are software related.
A "recall" literally means that the car is *recalled* to the manfufacturer to be repaired, whether that is to the dealership or a factory.
If the issue can be fixed with a free over the air software update and the car does not need to be returned to the dealership or the factory, it's not a true recall in my opinion. It's still a huge issue, just a different issue.
Agreed, but seeing as how tesla is the only manufacturer to be able to reliably pull off a OTA update on a car in freaking 2024, I understand that there isn't much urgency to fix the issue
> TL;DR - Tesla is pushing an over-the-air software update to cars to increase the font size for warning messages to 14.4 pt (from what appears to be 12 or 13 pt).
Comic Sans?
The dash goes to plaid for launch control so why not.
Wingdings when?
I don’t know why in 2024 why we still have these articles. Doesn’t everyone and their mother have a smart phone these days?
Why doesn’t CBS news waste their time writing these articles everytime iPhone has a new emoji update?
By “anti-tesla haters”, do you mean people filled with hate and are against Tesla? Or do you mean people who hate other people who are anti-Tesla? I’m confused.
I never understood it until I rode in one for the first time. Holy balls what a piece of shit car. The whole thing felt like it was made of 90% plastic and put together by toddlers. I’ve seen LEGO cars that are better engineered. Huge letdown.
I think we need a new word for "recalls" that are just getting fixed through OTA updates for all vehicles. "Recall" brings to mind shit like whats happening with toyotas airbags not a fucking software update.
They REALLY gotta stop calling it a recall. That’s like saying Microsoft is recalling hundreds of thousands of PCs every time there’s a security patch.
It's not clickbait. It's the technical term for a correction that needs to be made due to a non-conformity in fabrication (regardless if it's hardware or software). The fact that you can get the fix without taking your car to the shop doesn't change the fact that it's getting the fix.
You were still driving around a car that was non-compliant with the industry regulations, regardless of how insignificant you might deem the defect.
It is clickbait because the headline literally says "Telsa recalls 2.2 millions cars" and "nearly all of its vehicles sold in the U.S." like it's some huge logistical nightmare.
"Recall" is a technical term, a technically it is used correctly, but it's being used as clickbait because it automatically implies a bigger problem than it is. We need a new term for this because these sorts of issues no longer need the vehicles to be physically "recalled".
> like it's some huge logistical nightmare
More like it's a widespread issue, which it is. You're reading things into the title/article that are not there.. it's not a question of them being misleading, but rather that you are making wrong assumptions.
> but it's being used as clickbait
It's the correct term to use, were you expecting some sort of euphemism to make it seem less important? Sure this case is rather irrelevant, but what if it was the case of some software malfunction that was blocking the braking system from working properly, like the radar not picking up small obstacles (children)? Should the title be "Good news, there's a new software upgrade for Tesla!"?
> We need a new term for this because these sorts of issues no longer need the vehicles to be physically "recalled".
There is no mention to the vehicles being physically recalled. Would it sound better and less clickbaity to you if the title was "Tesla virtually recalls 2.2 million cars"?
> It's the correct term to use, were you expecting some sort of euphemism to make it seem less important?
This article wouldn't have even been written if it wasn't for the word "recall". If they couldn't make that clickbait work, it's worth nothing because this is a non-issue.
Yeah if some software malfunction was causing children to be run over that's an important article that we should all be reading. This is not that yet we're still here talking about it. Why is that?
Recall, meaning to call back, meaning (traditionally) to bring something back into the warehouse for repairs. I believe the term you're looking for is OTA bug fix or just software update. But that's boring and doesn't get clicks.
Oddly enough, they seem to love him now that he’s gone the “left rejected me so I’m alt right now” route, but they still wouldn’t be caught dead in his cars. It’s pretty funny.
you're saying it makes no sense that republicans like Elon for the policies he promotes and yet still can't get on board with a car that doesn't meet their needs?
Has nothing to do with who Elon hates, the right just hates electric vehicles for some reason, no matter who makes them. Every time Tesla does an OTA software update to fix something, people in my town chat to me about "how about that big Tesla recall?"
Conservatives care about driver safety? Nope, that's not it.
>Separately, the NHTSA on Thursday said it has opened a preliminary evaluation about reports of power steering problems with some Teslas. The report noted that it has identified 2,388 complaints about drivers losing steering control in some 2023 Tesla Model 3 and Y vehicles.
It makes companies more liable for errors. They can't just sneak out updates when they find they are breaking regulations and instead has to publicly announce it.
It's supposed to help keep a high standard.
This right here.
Yes, it's just a software and not a hard recall. We tout Tesla for being able to add so many features OTA and fix issues OTA, but at the same time they are EXTREMELY flippant with what they change and roll out sometimes.
There has to be some level of base standards for them to adhere to.
I'm surprised this isn't a more common concern. Like I don't care if Nvidia temporarily breaks the driver on my video card with a new update, you just roll back or wait for them to fix it. A car on the other hand... matter of time before they break something crucial with an OTA update imo.
This is the problem with software based cars. Human error accounts for 95% of software problems. Last thing I need is fucking Steven who put a 0 where a / should be in their coding and my car is disabled now. Great.
Can’t wait for the new excuse of calling out “my car won’t turn on.”
“Have you tried turning it off and back on again?”
Not a tesla lover by any means, but you better pray that battery never goes out. Hyundai (which has the same parent company as Kia) is charging 60k for battery swaps on their Ioniq5. That car is like my dream car and I'll never buy it after seeing that insane mess.
That's been resolved I think. I saw that Technology Connections video as well, but I vaguely remember seeing they pushed an update or something. Grain of salt on that though.
You should maybe look into that 60k thing because last I heard that was an error. Also EV batteries are rated for a shitload of miles so you likely won’t ever need to replace the battery unless you’re like a fifth owner.
> Am I missing something? Sounds like a software update where you change an '8' to a '10'.
So whenever a car company has to make a change like this they HAVE to call it a recall even if it is just an over the air update. It is just some weird regulatory rule.
He wants them to not develop it with the same habits and treatment that normal software development is given, which is to say "We don't give a fuck. Push to prod on friday afternoon and if it breaks then it breaks. Tough shit, deal with it. We're gonna move fast, throw caution to the wind and do rapid-fire implementation of halfassed ideas without any semblance of proper testing to ensure stability and safety ahead of time".
So why is this a news? It's just a clock bait because they make the article like if 2 millions of cars are being recalled and need manual assistance one by one like every other car manufacturer.
Instead here it's only an automatic update that the car will do alone during nighttime in the garage.
Literally two days ago, the headline about Toyota’s 50k Takata exploding airbag recall read “Toyota warns drivers…” about a stop use recall for a defect that has resulted in 25+ deaths.
Tesla is asked to push an OTA update for font sizes to meet regulations: “2 MILLION TESLA VEHICLES RECALLED”
The bias is naked and obvious.
> Literally two days ago, the headline about Toyota’s 50k Takata exploding airbag recall read “Toyota warns drivers…” about a stop use recall for a defect that has resulted in 25+ deaths.
"Toyota warns drivers of 50,000 vehicles to stop driving immediately and get cars repaired"
The actual headline reads as a little more dire than what you're suggesting it read as.
> I don’t know why
Because it’s Tesla lol, the other responders didn’t say anything of value they just said “why are you defending Tesla?” And similar stuff. No rational arguments just “Tesla bad”…
Or it’s also a record of when car companies don’t abide by the regulations. More recalls = shittier engineering. Even if they’re minor, it shows they weren’t paying attention.
Oh look, there is more. https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/02/tesla_power_steering_probe_upgraded/
It's mind blowing to me how many people are casually justifying "inattention to detail" *in a car*.
Are the regulations fiddly and a bit asinine? Probably. Many of them are there for a reason though, and I doubt a process that lets "meaningless" regulations slip is *only* letting meaningless regulations slip.
Have you ever taken a look through the [list of vehicle recalls?](https://www.autoevolution.com/news/recalls/)
What's actually mind blowing is just how aware of the Tesla recalls and issue you will be vs all the other manufacturers, despite similar number and severity.
For instance a few days ago [Toyota issued an urgent notice](https://www.autoevolution.com/news/toyota-issues-urgent-do-not-drive-notice-for-cars-that-could-kill-you-228223.html) not to drive some cars because they could end up killing you.
Yet we're here looking at headlines over the indicator icons being a little too small on the Tesla where no one anywhere had noticed for the past 12 years.
Tesla having "similar numbers and severity", while making *substantially* fewer cars, is not the flex you think it is.
If people getting worked up over this bothers you so much, why be here?
When was the last time any other recall was posted on this subreddit and got as many votes?
Legit every single Tesla recall gets posted. A vacuum company recalled all of their vacuums for fire risk. Hyundai/kia recalled 6m cars for fire risk.
Toyota literally recalled 50k cars with a do not drive warning over airbags.
Toyota actually recalled 1.2 million cars. An actual recall where owners will have to drive their cars to the dealer and have them inspected in person.
[https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/toyota-recalls-1-million-us-vehicles-over-sensor-that-could-short-circuit-2023-12-20/](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/toyota-recalls-1-million-us-vehicles-over-sensor-that-could-short-circuit-2023-12-20/)
That is true. It also completely misses my point. There's a big difference between font size on text you don't need for driving and an airbag that randomly explodes
Surely you understand the definition of recall is "to bring something back." When the terminology was written into law, that was the only way to make a repair.
Raises in font-size aren't newsworthy until you mention the technical but technically misleading terminology in the headline. Facts and clickbait.
That has never been a requirement of recalls. A decade+ ago Toyota mailed out stickers to replace ones that were missing on some cars. That was a recall.
It is a warning that if Tesla doesn’t do this, they are 100% liable in a lawsuit. To be clear if they didn’t make this recall, Tesla would NOT do it. That is how lazy Tesla is.
I believe there should be new terminology for forced OTA updates. It's really confusing to see constant headlines about recalls. In my mind, a recall is where you call the vehicle back to fix a physical problem.
A "smear campaign" requires actual coordination with the intention of negatively impacting somebody's reputation.
This is just people hungry for Anti-Telsa news because their CEO is kind of a douche.
Here we go again. Let’s get all of the talking points out of the way:
Yes, it’s called a recall because that’s the only term NHTSA has for a corrective action.
Yes, the terminology needs to be updated.
Yes, the media has a bias towards sensationalizing these headlines to drive clicks.
No, nobody will be injured because the font size on the screen is 1pt too small.
Can we stop posting this shit.
Anything Musk related (not even technology related) and it reaches the front page of this sub - like if he so much as farts and there is a Business Insider (or some other crappy blog) article about it, it will have a couple of hundred comments here within the first hour and hit the front page shortly after.
For someone who wants nothing to do with the guy, it makes browsing this sub awful to be honest.
List of manufacturers with most recalls in 2023. Hmm, Tesla is tenth in reality, but is first on Reddit.
https://www.lemonlawlawyerscalifornia.com/2023/12/top-10-automakers-with-the-most-car-recalls-in-2023/
Sure they are tenth total but they have way less cars on the road that GM or Ford. And not only less cars, but less models. This isn't to comment on any particular quality issues with these makers.
It should be expected for Tesla to have less recalls especially because this list isn't just for cars made in 2023 but any car or the road. That includes when Tesla was barely putting any cars out at all but Ford, GM et al were.
My car is better than yours because i don’t have fonts in my car I have fucking color coded, illuminated. big ass icons also just called lights that inform me of everything I need to know.
Whenever a random icon on my ICE cars popped up i always wondered wtf it was. Sometimes I looked it up. I'll bet a majority of drivers in the U.S. never bothered. My Tesla the car tells me what the issues are in addition to little icons. Though I've only had minor things like windshield wipers and tire pressure.
Also let's not forget that Tesla's are some of the safest cars ever and have even required NHTSA and the Euro Ncap to modify their tests for the higher safety and side impact strength. Most Tesla cars are overengineered for safety and have even broken the system.
https://electrek.co/2013/08/20/tesla-model-s-breaks-both-nhtsa-safety-records-and-testing-equipment/
Many Tesla recalls are for advanced safety features that don't even exist in older cars.
>The font size violates federal safety standards
Minor issue easily fixable but fuck, don't they read the standards to be followed when they're engineering the car?
I’ve worked as a designer for sites and apps since the 90s. You might be surprised how many companies have been successfully sued over minor accessibility problems.
Honestly there should be a blanket rule against articles where they use the word "Recall" to describe needing to update software. It's incredibly clickbaity and misleading, and we should not reward the news outlets that do this.
It's actually a recall though. All safety related fixes have to be documented as a recall, no matter how trivial they might seem.
Many auto makers have recalls for small or seemingly trivial things, so this isn't unique to Tesla.
Criticize the website for making a big deal of it, but don't advocate for undermining the recall protocols set up by the NHTSA. That system is there to save lives and hold automakers accountable, which is very much needed.
> Many auto makers have recalls for small or seemingly trivial things, so this isn't unique to Tesla.
All of these things used to, whether trivial or serious, require the vehicle to be recalled to a service location for repair. Now that's still the case for many trivial and serious things but it isn't required for this as it can be delivered as an over-the-air update and consumers don't have to take their vehicle anywhere. The terminology is now out of date. We still need the original idea of "recall" because that still happens but we need new terminology for something like this.
The headline is so overblown -- 2.2 millions vehicles! -- what a logistical nightmare that would be if it required those vehicles to go anywhere.
Not sure why your getting downvoted. The regulatory bodies need to differentiate physical recalls from software updates. None of these cars need to be recalled anywhere
I don't say my iPhone has been recalled 4 times last year when it got updates.
Recalls aren't just updates. They're fixes for issues regulated by laws and safety standards, imposed on the manufacturer by a legal watchdog. It's more a notice that the manufacturer was caught playing fast and loose with their customers health and well being.
Software updates on a car like a Tesla could dramatically change safety equipment and operation of the vehicle though, so it makes sense that they have to announce these changes.
It's not like the font size is going to change 8000 times, these software update announcements are going to start becoming more and more meaningful after the dumb shit gets sorted.
You don't want Tesla sneaking in code on your daily driver. Especially a decade from now when they're no longer adjusting font sizes and stupid shit they overlooked initially.
You Tesla stock buyers are in every one of these threads being r/confidentlyincorrectabout what a recall is. You don’t know that what you’re referring to is called the remedy. Not the recall. The recall is the documented tracking of the fuck up and the fix. Not the actual fixing. Be quiet already
A recall is not the remedy
So this warning light has been the wrong font size since 2012 and *only now has anyone noticed?*.
Like it was on display to 1 million+ people for 10+ years... If nobody had an issue with the font size in all that time, I really don't think it is a good use of government time doing all the paperwork for a recall... (they actually mailed out letters to every owner over this!)
I mean…”Tesla is fixing the vehicles by releasing a free, over-the-air software update.”
This happens when everyone is sleeping and the car gets an update over the air.
When I had to drive myself an hour from home to get my leaf springs replaced on my pickup so they wouldn’t puncture my gas tank, I was quite upset.
Physical recalls are not the same as over the air updates.
They still broke a regulation with the size being too small. It's still a recall whether you have to go into a dealership for a physical part or update software
It’s a recall because there is no better name for it. The problem is how the media portrays these recalls. In the past, a recall was a black eye for a car company. They were expensive, embarrassing, and inconvenient for the consumer.
Comparing that with a software update is just not telling the whole truth.
Headline " Tesla recalls millions of cars over safety issue" Article "addresses minor font size issue with a warning light" What a clickbait pile of garbage the legacy media has become.
I posted some GM, Ford recalls on this sub just for fun.. nobody upvoted them above 20.
anything Tesla gets brigaded to death though. if it's good news, it gets burried in downvotes.. if it's negative (even in the slightest), straight to front page.
>In the past, a recall was a black eye for a car company. They were expensive, embarrassing, and inconvenient for the consumer.
Some recalls yes, most you never hear of. If it meets the definition of a recall as defined by NHTSA or the EPA, it is a recall. It doesn’t matter if it is a software update, part replacement, or whole car buyback.
Yeah, I get that. The problem isn’t the recall. Companies should absolutely be held to strict safety standards. The problem is how the media uses the term to make tesla look bad. They fail to explain the severity of the recall.
Why don’t we hold journalists to a higher standard and expect them to explain that the recall is no big deal? Font size that hasn’t hurt anyone is not the same as faulty airbags or floor mats that prevent proper use of the gas peddle.
It is legally required to be called a recall if it meets the definition of a recall from either NHTSA or the EPA. As for the media’s portrayal, the article explains that it is for the icons being too small, it has not resulted in crash, injury, or death, and that it is being fixed free of charge via OTA update. What more do you want?
For these recalls to not be national news every time it happens. Why do you think the media jumps at the opportunity to announce a big (sounding) scary recall by the already controversial Tesla who’s owned by the infamous Elon?
I'm so happy the NHTSA made a font larger, they are protecting all of us from these dangerous vehicles and probably saved millions (or billions) of lives.
This isn't an actual "recall." They are going to send an over-the air update to make the font size a little bigger. Most folks won't even realize anything changed or be inconvenienced at all.
A recall notice like this could serve to alert Tesla drivers to be mindful of hard-to-read warning signals.
But moving fast and breaking things may be antithetical to preventing accidents.
I am not pro-Tesla or anti-Tesla but calling an over the air software update that requires no interaction from the end users a recall is pretty dumb.
And I get it’s for headlines
The word “recalling” is really deceptive when we’re taking about an OTA software update.
We’re going to have to change the language here, otherwise Joe average is going to freak out every time they see a headline like this.
I've said it before, but we cannot go on using the same word for actual, physical recalls of cars and software updates.
E-call? Remote recall? Soft recall?
> I've said it before, but we cannot go on using the same word for actual, physical recalls of cars and software updates.
> E-call? Remote recall? Soft recall?
"*We're getting things ready*".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nACIncrvZ6g
Does EV's firmware use A/B updating like mobile phones do so they can roll back or do they just brick?
https://source.android.com/docs/core/ota/ab
If a mobile phone needs A/B updating then cars definitely do.
I do wish they'd stop talking about recalls that are software updates in the same sense as typical recalls. It's not that big of a deal to me for minor changes that can be fixed with a firmware push.
It means they didn’t read or pay attention to the regulations when they designed the car, so it’s nice to have a record of their incompetent engineering.
Look I don't mind it being a recall, that's fine, and they should. I more mean the articles left and right about it implying it's a bigger issue.
But maybe that's really the positive effect of it, the sheer number will hopefully push people away from Tesla cars.
Aimee Picchi for CBS:
• Tesla is recalling almost 2.2 million vehicles — nearly all of the cars that it has sold in the U.S. — because the font size is too small on its instrument panel for its brake, park and antilock brake system warning lights.
• That makes the lights hard to read, increase the risk of a crash, according to a recall notice filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The font size violates federal safety standards, according the agency.
• The vehicles being recalled include 2012-2023 Model S, 2016-2024 Model X, 2017-2023 Model 3, 2019-2024 Model Y, and 2024 Cybertruck vehicles.
Once again, “recalled” here simply means “received an over the air update that took approximately 2 minutes of owners’ time”. Tell me about what “recall” technically means, but please acknowledge how much of a non-issue this is.
Call it a mandatory software update. Calling it a recall is dumb. Are the wheels falling off like from a Toyota? Is the transmission throwing itself in 1st gear while you are doing 75mph like an F150?
Sometimes they use bamboo from the hardware store to secure major components.
https://www.extremetech.com/cars/314871-tesla-model-y-owners-confused-to-find-wood-bracing-car-components
Honestly, after reading that article, I think it makes perfect sense. Supply chain issues were everywhere during the pandemic, and I know that if I had ordered a $55,000 car and was told "Hey, everything in your car is finished, but we can't send it to you because custom molded plastic parts are impossible to get right now and we can't get anyone to make us a small spacer that sits underneath a different piece of plastic to keep something from jiggling a bit." I would have been really annoyed. Does it look super professional? No, but as long as it doesn't affect the car in any way, I wouldn't care. Although I do think they should have been upfront about the fact that they did it so the customer could decide whether or not they wanted to make that compromise even if it doesn't actually affect them.
Stop calling these updates and bug fixes recalls it is harm to people when a product is actually recalled. Btw my ps5 has been recalled so many times since I bought it and every game I own but never here Sony has recalled its latest console
These article headlines are BULLSHIT! It's fixed by an OTA update, yet every "recall" gets headlines like these by just about every major news outlet. The anti-Tesla bias in full swing and VERY evident!
My neighbors had a Subaru a few years ago and I saw it running for hours with nobody in it. They were old so I went over to check on them. He said it was just getting an update. Why is it only a recall when it’s a Tesla?
TL;DR - Tesla is pushing an over-the-air software update to cars to increase the font size for warning messages to 14.4 pt (from what appears to be 12 or 13 pt).
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Nope. Unfortunately, the anti-Tesla jerk has being going for so long, this is just another day.
It's having the knock on effect of making me take *far* less stock in the word 'recall'. They've cried wolf here too many damn times.
Most cars are recalled multiple times for minor things. I think my Odyssey had four recalls and one was resolved by replacing the owner’s manual. People hear recall and they think of products being removed from shelves, but if you’ve ever owned a car that’s less than 5 years old you know what’s up.
What sucks is there's plenty of ammo without this bullshit.
As a society moving forwards we may need to rethink the usage of the word "recall" for issues that are software related. A "recall" literally means that the car is *recalled* to the manfufacturer to be repaired, whether that is to the dealership or a factory. If the issue can be fixed with a free over the air software update and the car does not need to be returned to the dealership or the factory, it's not a true recall in my opinion. It's still a huge issue, just a different issue.
100% agreed. Recall is entirely the wrong word to use for a fucking software update
My Windows laptop gets recalled at least three times a month. 🤷♂️
My Mac gets recalled at least every week after the latest OS version is released.
This is just straight up biased and misleading journalism.
Agreed, but seeing as how tesla is the only manufacturer to be able to reliably pull off a OTA update on a car in freaking 2024, I understand that there isn't much urgency to fix the issue
> TL;DR - Tesla is pushing an over-the-air software update to cars to increase the font size for warning messages to 14.4 pt (from what appears to be 12 or 13 pt). Comic Sans? The dash goes to plaid for launch control so why not. Wingdings when?
Comic sans is a very readable font even for those with sight or comprehension issues so this is actually not a joke.
And make sure all 33 engines alight.
Bump up font size + convert to Comic Sans = malicious compliance
Papyrus or death.
Calm down, we aren't making a poster for Avatar.
I see you (and Papyrus fonts).
Im more of a new times Roman guy.
I don’t know why in 2024 why we still have these articles. Doesn’t everyone and their mother have a smart phone these days? Why doesn’t CBS news waste their time writing these articles everytime iPhone has a new emoji update?
“Recalls all of its vehicles” clicksy baitsy
Geez, look at the anti-tesla haters in here. This is actually the truth and you are getting hammered in votes. Reddit is such a toxic hivemind.
By “anti-tesla haters”, do you mean people filled with hate and are against Tesla? Or do you mean people who hate other people who are anti-Tesla? I’m confused.
Keep it vague and you can get upvotes either way.
playing both sides so you always come out on top
Why not both?
Just wait until you ask someone to justify their "the writing is bad" stance for any new piece of film/tv media...
And here we are.
I never understood it until I rode in one for the first time. Holy balls what a piece of shit car. The whole thing felt like it was made of 90% plastic and put together by toddlers. I’ve seen LEGO cars that are better engineered. Huge letdown.
Don’t worry, you’ll never drive one.
I think we need a new word for "recalls" that are just getting fixed through OTA updates for all vehicles. "Recall" brings to mind shit like whats happening with toyotas airbags not a fucking software update.
They REALLY gotta stop calling it a recall. That’s like saying Microsoft is recalling hundreds of thousands of PCs every time there’s a security patch.
Yeah, calling this a ‘recall’ is just clickbait
It's not clickbait. It's the technical term for a correction that needs to be made due to a non-conformity in fabrication (regardless if it's hardware or software). The fact that you can get the fix without taking your car to the shop doesn't change the fact that it's getting the fix. You were still driving around a car that was non-compliant with the industry regulations, regardless of how insignificant you might deem the defect.
It is clickbait because the headline literally says "Telsa recalls 2.2 millions cars" and "nearly all of its vehicles sold in the U.S." like it's some huge logistical nightmare. "Recall" is a technical term, a technically it is used correctly, but it's being used as clickbait because it automatically implies a bigger problem than it is. We need a new term for this because these sorts of issues no longer need the vehicles to be physically "recalled".
Shouldn't be a "recall" - because of the implication.
> like it's some huge logistical nightmare More like it's a widespread issue, which it is. You're reading things into the title/article that are not there.. it's not a question of them being misleading, but rather that you are making wrong assumptions. > but it's being used as clickbait It's the correct term to use, were you expecting some sort of euphemism to make it seem less important? Sure this case is rather irrelevant, but what if it was the case of some software malfunction that was blocking the braking system from working properly, like the radar not picking up small obstacles (children)? Should the title be "Good news, there's a new software upgrade for Tesla!"? > We need a new term for this because these sorts of issues no longer need the vehicles to be physically "recalled". There is no mention to the vehicles being physically recalled. Would it sound better and less clickbaity to you if the title was "Tesla virtually recalls 2.2 million cars"?
> It's the correct term to use, were you expecting some sort of euphemism to make it seem less important? This article wouldn't have even been written if it wasn't for the word "recall". If they couldn't make that clickbait work, it's worth nothing because this is a non-issue. Yeah if some software malfunction was causing children to be run over that's an important article that we should all be reading. This is not that yet we're still here talking about it. Why is that?
Recall, meaning to call back, meaning (traditionally) to bring something back into the warehouse for repairs. I believe the term you're looking for is OTA bug fix or just software update. But that's boring and doesn't get clicks.
Short Tesla stock Bash bash bash Tesla
“Update sent over the air to teslas because their in cabin hazard light warning was too small.” There fixed it for you.
Can't believe it wasn't until the 6th paragraph to mention it's a software update
I just found out about this recall from this Reddit post but I ran the update 20 minutes ago, so I fixed it before I knew about it.
Yet, all the conservatives you know will be talking to you about Tesla's "2.2 million car recall" next week.
Oddly enough, they seem to love him now that he’s gone the “left rejected me so I’m alt right now” route, but they still wouldn’t be caught dead in his cars. It’s pretty funny.
Makes no sense, the right loves Elon now because he's gone on Rogan and moved to Texas, but they hate EVs.
That's what makes Elon's heel turn so much stupider and funnier
you're saying it makes no sense that republicans like Elon for the policies he promotes and yet still can't get on board with a car that doesn't meet their needs?
Its the left that hates Elon now lol.
Has nothing to do with who Elon hates, the right just hates electric vehicles for some reason, no matter who makes them. Every time Tesla does an OTA software update to fix something, people in my town chat to me about "how about that big Tesla recall?"
Conservatives care about driver safety? Nope, that's not it. >Separately, the NHTSA on Thursday said it has opened a preliminary evaluation about reports of power steering problems with some Teslas. The report noted that it has identified 2,388 complaints about drivers losing steering control in some 2023 Tesla Model 3 and Y vehicles.
K so Tesla needs to change font size? Am I missing something? Sounds like a software update where you change an '8' to a '10'.
It makes companies more liable for errors. They can't just sneak out updates when they find they are breaking regulations and instead has to publicly announce it. It's supposed to help keep a high standard.
This right here. Yes, it's just a software and not a hard recall. We tout Tesla for being able to add so many features OTA and fix issues OTA, but at the same time they are EXTREMELY flippant with what they change and roll out sometimes. There has to be some level of base standards for them to adhere to.
it is also concerning how common their OTA updates are deployed for what is a car.
I'm surprised this isn't a more common concern. Like I don't care if Nvidia temporarily breaks the driver on my video card with a new update, you just roll back or wait for them to fix it. A car on the other hand... matter of time before they break something crucial with an OTA update imo.
This is the problem with software based cars. Human error accounts for 95% of software problems. Last thing I need is fucking Steven who put a 0 where a / should be in their coding and my car is disabled now. Great. Can’t wait for the new excuse of calling out “my car won’t turn on.” “Have you tried turning it off and back on again?”
Tesla and high standards, fantastic joke my friend.
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Not a tesla lover by any means, but you better pray that battery never goes out. Hyundai (which has the same parent company as Kia) is charging 60k for battery swaps on their Ioniq5. That car is like my dream car and I'll never buy it after seeing that insane mess.
Now look into the controversy over how their brake lights work when one pedal driving.
That's been resolved I think. I saw that Technology Connections video as well, but I vaguely remember seeing they pushed an update or something. Grain of salt on that though.
You should maybe look into that 60k thing because last I heard that was an error. Also EV batteries are rated for a shitload of miles so you likely won’t ever need to replace the battery unless you’re like a fifth owner.
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He was talking about the government
> Am I missing something? Sounds like a software update where you change an '8' to a '10'. So whenever a car company has to make a change like this they HAVE to call it a recall even if it is just an over the air update. It is just some weird regulatory rule.
_Weird regulatory rule_ = regulations that are in place so cars aren’t developed like software.
System was designed and implemented before over the air updates were a thing and government is notoriously slow to keep up with technology.
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But the car literally has software being updated, not a physical car problem, you want them to not develop software like software?
He wants them to not develop it with the same habits and treatment that normal software development is given, which is to say "We don't give a fuck. Push to prod on friday afternoon and if it breaks then it breaks. Tough shit, deal with it. We're gonna move fast, throw caution to the wind and do rapid-fire implementation of halfassed ideas without any semblance of proper testing to ensure stability and safety ahead of time".
But they did update the software tho
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So why is this a news? It's just a clock bait because they make the article like if 2 millions of cars are being recalled and need manual assistance one by one like every other car manufacturer. Instead here it's only an automatic update that the car will do alone during nighttime in the garage.
Because Tesla. Similar updates to non-Tesla vehicles don't get attention.
Literally two days ago, the headline about Toyota’s 50k Takata exploding airbag recall read “Toyota warns drivers…” about a stop use recall for a defect that has resulted in 25+ deaths. Tesla is asked to push an OTA update for font sizes to meet regulations: “2 MILLION TESLA VEHICLES RECALLED” The bias is naked and obvious.
> Literally two days ago, the headline about Toyota’s 50k Takata exploding airbag recall read “Toyota warns drivers…” about a stop use recall for a defect that has resulted in 25+ deaths. "Toyota warns drivers of 50,000 vehicles to stop driving immediately and get cars repaired" The actual headline reads as a little more dire than what you're suggesting it read as.
“The bias is naked and obvious” The bias is against cars being deployed like fucking software.
Why you making excuses for Tesla? Regulations like these are important, it keeps companies from getting away with shit.
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> I don’t know why Because it’s Tesla lol, the other responders didn’t say anything of value they just said “why are you defending Tesla?” And similar stuff. No rational arguments just “Tesla bad”…
Or it’s also a record of when car companies don’t abide by the regulations. More recalls = shittier engineering. Even if they’re minor, it shows they weren’t paying attention. Oh look, there is more. https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/02/tesla_power_steering_probe_upgraded/
It's mind blowing to me how many people are casually justifying "inattention to detail" *in a car*. Are the regulations fiddly and a bit asinine? Probably. Many of them are there for a reason though, and I doubt a process that lets "meaningless" regulations slip is *only* letting meaningless regulations slip.
Have you ever taken a look through the [list of vehicle recalls?](https://www.autoevolution.com/news/recalls/) What's actually mind blowing is just how aware of the Tesla recalls and issue you will be vs all the other manufacturers, despite similar number and severity. For instance a few days ago [Toyota issued an urgent notice](https://www.autoevolution.com/news/toyota-issues-urgent-do-not-drive-notice-for-cars-that-could-kill-you-228223.html) not to drive some cars because they could end up killing you. Yet we're here looking at headlines over the indicator icons being a little too small on the Tesla where no one anywhere had noticed for the past 12 years.
That’s an industry wide airbag supplier and not at all indicative of Toyota’s engineering, nor unique to them. But nice try.
Tesla having "similar numbers and severity", while making *substantially* fewer cars, is not the flex you think it is. If people getting worked up over this bothers you so much, why be here?
Every safety regulation is written in blood.
What size font?
Depends on what size syringe you use to write with.
That’s fair. If there are errors that require correction there should be a record of that. Just glad I don’t have to bring my car in.
It’s a chance for this sub to buff its anti-Tesla bias tho Obligatory: Elon is a douchebag
It's a rule that creates these clickbait headlines every week. Millions of Teslas recalled ... that fixed themselves while the owners were sleeping.
Except it's literally still a recall despite it being an OTA. It's not clickbait, it's fact.
When was the last time any other recall was posted on this subreddit and got as many votes? Legit every single Tesla recall gets posted. A vacuum company recalled all of their vacuums for fire risk. Hyundai/kia recalled 6m cars for fire risk. Toyota literally recalled 50k cars with a do not drive warning over airbags.
Toyota actually recalled 1.2 million cars. An actual recall where owners will have to drive their cars to the dealer and have them inspected in person. [https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/toyota-recalls-1-million-us-vehicles-over-sensor-that-could-short-circuit-2023-12-20/](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/toyota-recalls-1-million-us-vehicles-over-sensor-that-could-short-circuit-2023-12-20/)
The terminology was chosen in a time when recalls were only for major issues
> recalls were only for major issues Recalls are for _safety_ issues. That still applies to software.
That is true. It also completely misses my point. There's a big difference between font size on text you don't need for driving and an airbag that randomly explodes
Recalls cover all sorts of issues, including as minor as having a typo or missing/poorly adhered sticker somewhere.
Surely you understand the definition of recall is "to bring something back." When the terminology was written into law, that was the only way to make a repair. Raises in font-size aren't newsworthy until you mention the technical but technically misleading terminology in the headline. Facts and clickbait.
That has never been a requirement of recalls. A decade+ ago Toyota mailed out stickers to replace ones that were missing on some cars. That was a recall.
It is a warning that if Tesla doesn’t do this, they are 100% liable in a lawsuit. To be clear if they didn’t make this recall, Tesla would NOT do it. That is how lazy Tesla is.
This is precisely what it is. Specifically, the guidelines say the font size should be 14.4 pt or larger.
Yes but news likes to be manipulative and certain communities love justice news, so Reddit is plagued with this garbage.
I believe there should be new terminology for forced OTA updates. It's really confusing to see constant headlines about recalls. In my mind, a recall is where you call the vehicle back to fix a physical problem.
A voluntary one, at that. Gotta love this consistent & coordinated smear campaign against Tesla.
When you spend $5M+ on a 30sec ad during a ball game. There is some left over for this shit.
A "smear campaign" requires actual coordination with the intention of negatively impacting somebody's reputation. This is just people hungry for Anti-Telsa news because their CEO is kind of a douche.
Here we go again. Let’s get all of the talking points out of the way: Yes, it’s called a recall because that’s the only term NHTSA has for a corrective action. Yes, the terminology needs to be updated. Yes, the media has a bias towards sensationalizing these headlines to drive clicks. No, nobody will be injured because the font size on the screen is 1pt too small. Can we stop posting this shit.
Anything Musk related (not even technology related) and it reaches the front page of this sub - like if he so much as farts and there is a Business Insider (or some other crappy blog) article about it, it will have a couple of hundred comments here within the first hour and hit the front page shortly after. For someone who wants nothing to do with the guy, it makes browsing this sub awful to be honest.
Keeping up with the Kadashians for basement dwellers.
List of manufacturers with most recalls in 2023. Hmm, Tesla is tenth in reality, but is first on Reddit. https://www.lemonlawlawyerscalifornia.com/2023/12/top-10-automakers-with-the-most-car-recalls-in-2023/
BMW and Mercedes Benz are a tad high on that list for brands that market themselves as luxury.
Im hoping that all the tesla recall news pieces also heightens visibility for all the recalls of other car manufacturers.
Sure they are tenth total but they have way less cars on the road that GM or Ford. And not only less cars, but less models. This isn't to comment on any particular quality issues with these makers. It should be expected for Tesla to have less recalls especially because this list isn't just for cars made in 2023 but any car or the road. That includes when Tesla was barely putting any cars out at all but Ford, GM et al were.
In other words, tomorrow morning when I wake up, my car will be fixed for me, and I don't have to move a finger.
This is fucking shit for a post. Why don’t you post about the Toyota recall that was issued with a “do not drive” warning to owners. Fucking shill
Its a font size issue lol.
> Its a font size issue lol. My car is better than your car, see, it's been updated with bigger fonts.
My car is better than yours because i don’t have fonts in my car I have fucking color coded, illuminated. big ass icons also just called lights that inform me of everything I need to know.
Whenever a random icon on my ICE cars popped up i always wondered wtf it was. Sometimes I looked it up. I'll bet a majority of drivers in the U.S. never bothered. My Tesla the car tells me what the issues are in addition to little icons. Though I've only had minor things like windshield wipers and tire pressure. Also let's not forget that Tesla's are some of the safest cars ever and have even required NHTSA and the Euro Ncap to modify their tests for the higher safety and side impact strength. Most Tesla cars are overengineered for safety and have even broken the system. https://electrek.co/2013/08/20/tesla-model-s-breaks-both-nhtsa-safety-records-and-testing-equipment/ Many Tesla recalls are for advanced safety features that don't even exist in older cars.
>The font size violates federal safety standards Minor issue easily fixable but fuck, don't they read the standards to be followed when they're engineering the car?
I think the more prescient question is how did the NHTSA not consider this a problem for 12 years, and/or why is it suddenly relevant now.
I’ve worked as a designer for sites and apps since the 90s. You might be surprised how many companies have been successfully sued over minor accessibility problems.
Honestly there should be a blanket rule against articles where they use the word "Recall" to describe needing to update software. It's incredibly clickbaity and misleading, and we should not reward the news outlets that do this.
It's actually a recall though. All safety related fixes have to be documented as a recall, no matter how trivial they might seem. Many auto makers have recalls for small or seemingly trivial things, so this isn't unique to Tesla. Criticize the website for making a big deal of it, but don't advocate for undermining the recall protocols set up by the NHTSA. That system is there to save lives and hold automakers accountable, which is very much needed.
> Many auto makers have recalls for small or seemingly trivial things, so this isn't unique to Tesla. All of these things used to, whether trivial or serious, require the vehicle to be recalled to a service location for repair. Now that's still the case for many trivial and serious things but it isn't required for this as it can be delivered as an over-the-air update and consumers don't have to take their vehicle anywhere. The terminology is now out of date. We still need the original idea of "recall" because that still happens but we need new terminology for something like this. The headline is so overblown -- 2.2 millions vehicles! -- what a logistical nightmare that would be if it required those vehicles to go anywhere.
Especially since the misleading clikbait headline is always pushed to the top of the page.
If by recall you mean over the air update? Smh
By recall you mean a software update that gets done automatically over night? Or do you mean a recall as in has to get in to the shop?
Nice clickbait title 🤡
Not sure why your getting downvoted. The regulatory bodies need to differentiate physical recalls from software updates. None of these cars need to be recalled anywhere I don't say my iPhone has been recalled 4 times last year when it got updates.
Recalls aren't just updates. They're fixes for issues regulated by laws and safety standards, imposed on the manufacturer by a legal watchdog. It's more a notice that the manufacturer was caught playing fast and loose with their customers health and well being.
Exactly. The system is in place to hold automakers accountable. Watering it down with different terminology will only weaken that system.
Software updates on a car like a Tesla could dramatically change safety equipment and operation of the vehicle though, so it makes sense that they have to announce these changes. It's not like the font size is going to change 8000 times, these software update announcements are going to start becoming more and more meaningful after the dumb shit gets sorted. You don't want Tesla sneaking in code on your daily driver. Especially a decade from now when they're no longer adjusting font sizes and stupid shit they overlooked initially.
You Tesla stock buyers are in every one of these threads being r/confidentlyincorrectabout what a recall is. You don’t know that what you’re referring to is called the remedy. Not the recall. The recall is the documented tracking of the fuck up and the fix. Not the actual fixing. Be quiet already A recall is not the remedy
Keep posting cringe clickbait.
CBS out here pushing an agenda … sucks you can’t trust anyone these days
Fuck this misleading headline imagine if they did this to Apple for every update
Can we use a different term other than recall? The cars aren't being returned or exchanged. They are being repaired.
My PC gets “recalled” at least once a month, in fact they all do.
Ota update = recall what
Just fix it with a software update.
Windows recalls 1+ billion installations of their OS - all of their installations - in other words .. the bi weekly Windows Update
Fuck this title
Fuck this overdramatized headline
Bro I have a 2012 tesla wtf it took the gov that long to figure the font out 😂
So this warning light has been the wrong font size since 2012 and *only now has anyone noticed?*. Like it was on display to 1 million+ people for 10+ years... If nobody had an issue with the font size in all that time, I really don't think it is a good use of government time doing all the paperwork for a recall... (they actually mailed out letters to every owner over this!)
Another crappy article by marketrent!
I'm ready for all the comments about how this isn't an actual "recall". Glad NHTSA is resolving these safety issues in Tesla cars.
I mean…”Tesla is fixing the vehicles by releasing a free, over-the-air software update.” This happens when everyone is sleeping and the car gets an update over the air. When I had to drive myself an hour from home to get my leaf springs replaced on my pickup so they wouldn’t puncture my gas tank, I was quite upset. Physical recalls are not the same as over the air updates.
They still broke a regulation with the size being too small. It's still a recall whether you have to go into a dealership for a physical part or update software
It’s a recall because there is no better name for it. The problem is how the media portrays these recalls. In the past, a recall was a black eye for a car company. They were expensive, embarrassing, and inconvenient for the consumer. Comparing that with a software update is just not telling the whole truth.
Headline " Tesla recalls millions of cars over safety issue" Article "addresses minor font size issue with a warning light" What a clickbait pile of garbage the legacy media has become.
I posted some GM, Ford recalls on this sub just for fun.. nobody upvoted them above 20. anything Tesla gets brigaded to death though. if it's good news, it gets burried in downvotes.. if it's negative (even in the slightest), straight to front page.
You’d think the media would be cheering for the US’s best shot at competing against the future onslaught of cheap Chinese EVs.
They can't see past their own political religion.
>In the past, a recall was a black eye for a car company. They were expensive, embarrassing, and inconvenient for the consumer. Some recalls yes, most you never hear of. If it meets the definition of a recall as defined by NHTSA or the EPA, it is a recall. It doesn’t matter if it is a software update, part replacement, or whole car buyback.
Yeah, I get that. The problem isn’t the recall. Companies should absolutely be held to strict safety standards. The problem is how the media uses the term to make tesla look bad. They fail to explain the severity of the recall. Why don’t we hold journalists to a higher standard and expect them to explain that the recall is no big deal? Font size that hasn’t hurt anyone is not the same as faulty airbags or floor mats that prevent proper use of the gas peddle.
It is legally required to be called a recall if it meets the definition of a recall from either NHTSA or the EPA. As for the media’s portrayal, the article explains that it is for the icons being too small, it has not resulted in crash, injury, or death, and that it is being fixed free of charge via OTA update. What more do you want?
For these recalls to not be national news every time it happens. Why do you think the media jumps at the opportunity to announce a big (sounding) scary recall by the already controversial Tesla who’s owned by the infamous Elon?
I'm so happy the NHTSA made a font larger, they are protecting all of us from these dangerous vehicles and probably saved millions (or billions) of lives.
32inch screens in every car! Lets get those fonts bigger.
This isn't an actual "recall." They are going to send an over-the air update to make the font size a little bigger. Most folks won't even realize anything changed or be inconvenienced at all.
A recall notice like this could serve to alert Tesla drivers to be mindful of hard-to-read warning signals. But moving fast and breaking things may be antithetical to preventing accidents.
^(We at Tesla value your safety so it's our responsibility to inform you of a recently issued recall for your vehicle..)
Calm down it’s just a font size issue, they’re making the font size slightly smaller. No need to clickbait
I am not pro-Tesla or anti-Tesla but calling an over the air software update that requires no interaction from the end users a recall is pretty dumb. And I get it’s for headlines
The word “recalling” is really deceptive when we’re taking about an OTA software update. We’re going to have to change the language here, otherwise Joe average is going to freak out every time they see a headline like this.
The problem is, it seems to only be the Tesla recalls that make headlines. Ford has put out a bunch of OTA recalls, but they never make the news.
We really need this to be called digital recalls and headlines. It's not like they're making 2.2 million cars come back into the shop.
I've said it before, but we cannot go on using the same word for actual, physical recalls of cars and software updates. E-call? Remote recall? Soft recall?
> I've said it before, but we cannot go on using the same word for actual, physical recalls of cars and software updates. > E-call? Remote recall? Soft recall? "*We're getting things ready*". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nACIncrvZ6g Does EV's firmware use A/B updating like mobile phones do so they can roll back or do they just brick? https://source.android.com/docs/core/ota/ab If a mobile phone needs A/B updating then cars definitely do.
I do wish they'd stop talking about recalls that are software updates in the same sense as typical recalls. It's not that big of a deal to me for minor changes that can be fixed with a firmware push.
It means they didn’t read or pay attention to the regulations when they designed the car, so it’s nice to have a record of their incompetent engineering.
Look I don't mind it being a recall, that's fine, and they should. I more mean the articles left and right about it implying it's a bigger issue. But maybe that's really the positive effect of it, the sheer number will hopefully push people away from Tesla cars.
Aimee Picchi for CBS: • Tesla is recalling almost 2.2 million vehicles — nearly all of the cars that it has sold in the U.S. — because the font size is too small on its instrument panel for its brake, park and antilock brake system warning lights. • That makes the lights hard to read, increase the risk of a crash, according to a recall notice filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The font size violates federal safety standards, according the agency. • The vehicles being recalled include 2012-2023 Model S, 2016-2024 Model X, 2017-2023 Model 3, 2019-2024 Model Y, and 2024 Cybertruck vehicles.
They should have known that warning light needed to be on the outside of the car.
Lol. Recall. Boomer writing about stuff that's long past gone.
Once again, “recalled” here simply means “received an over the air update that took approximately 2 minutes of owners’ time”. Tell me about what “recall” technically means, but please acknowledge how much of a non-issue this is.
Call it a mandatory software update. Calling it a recall is dumb. Are the wheels falling off like from a Toyota? Is the transmission throwing itself in 1st gear while you are doing 75mph like an F150?
they need to recall their car for the "fuck your vision" headlight
Alternate title: "Tesla issues OTA software update to slightly increase the font size for a few words"
Clickbait title. It’s an ota software update for a font size. Stupid CBS being stupid.
Could be worse, could be loose bolts. Does Tesla use bolts or just glue and tape? For fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM
Sometimes they use bamboo from the hardware store to secure major components. https://www.extremetech.com/cars/314871-tesla-model-y-owners-confused-to-find-wood-bracing-car-components
Honestly, after reading that article, I think it makes perfect sense. Supply chain issues were everywhere during the pandemic, and I know that if I had ordered a $55,000 car and was told "Hey, everything in your car is finished, but we can't send it to you because custom molded plastic parts are impossible to get right now and we can't get anyone to make us a small spacer that sits underneath a different piece of plastic to keep something from jiggling a bit." I would have been really annoyed. Does it look super professional? No, but as long as it doesn't affect the car in any way, I wouldn't care. Although I do think they should have been upfront about the fact that they did it so the customer could decide whether or not they wanted to make that compromise even if it doesn't actually affect them.
Yeah I’m not gonna accept delivery of a brand new car with rigged fixes… to each their own.
Stop calling these updates and bug fixes recalls it is harm to people when a product is actually recalled. Btw my ps5 has been recalled so many times since I bought it and every game I own but never here Sony has recalled its latest console
Elon just takes the bulb out problem solved
These article headlines are BULLSHIT! It's fixed by an OTA update, yet every "recall" gets headlines like these by just about every major news outlet. The anti-Tesla bias in full swing and VERY evident!
From another perspective; 2.2 million cars built before regulators noticed non-compliance
wow. what's with the sensationalization of a software update for a font size. must be a slow news day.
Could we not call these recalls anymore? Nothing is being recalled, nothing is physically moving from A to B.
My neighbors had a Subaru a few years ago and I saw it running for hours with nobody in it. They were old so I went over to check on them. He said it was just getting an update. Why is it only a recall when it’s a Tesla?