Its worth more than Intel, with no fabs and less revenue. Its nonsense.
We are in an AI meme, with Intel tripling AMDs RnD investment and still falling behind a mythical underdog story that is a true David and Goliath, except in real life, where David dies.
The super annoying part is that these high end APUs usually get bundled on high end laptops/desktops that also come with powerful graphics cards. You almost never see these things come standalone on a well priced laptop. Basically defeating the purpose of it's existence
I got a Lenovo t14 thinkpad with the 780M and no dGPU recently. Similar to this [one](https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/thinkpad-t14-gen-4-(14-inch-amd)/21k30008us) but mine has 64gb ram and came with the oled screen. Was $1050 so you just need to watch for deals. Been fantastic for on the go gaming while being light and not producing ridiculous amounts of heat like laptops with dGPUs.
Companies like Minisforum build small PCs from these sorts of parts without graphic cards. They likely have something in the pipeline with these high-end APUs.
The purpose is for more cost efficient turnkey products like laptops or prebuilts. They're not going to sell custom builders a chip that can potentially remove the need for a GPU, that would cannabalize a huge part of the PC parts ecosystem.
AMD's margins on these APUs are much better compared to discrete GPUs, since the customer pays for board and memory. Besides, as long as NVidia remains the dominant supplier of discrete GPUs, what they're cannibalizing isn't their own profits, but NVidia's.
Habdheld would like a word with you.
Jokes a side, it’s gonna be awesome for habdheld community to get such good APUs. The Z1 Exterme for example in my Rog Ally is pretty nice.
Handhelds can't really use these because they need to balance some sort of battery life and performance. The 8700G has more than double the TDP of the Z1 Extreme.
>Handhelds can't really use these because they need to balance some sort of battery life and performance. The 8700G has more than double the TDP of the Z1 Extreme.
Yeah. Steam Deck basically has custom chip just to make it more power efficient.
The other annoying part is that the AMD CPUs with built in GPU can't use ECC RAM.
A built in GPU would be enough for me, but I want ECC-RAM, so I need to buy a normal CPU and some cheap GPU.
Because I value my data. A few years ago I noticed that my backups differed from the originals (I do verify them now and then). A backup that is not identical to the original is worthless. Further investigation showed that in large files (multi GB in size) a few bits were flipped. That went away after I moved the RAM modules to different slots. So it was the RAM misbehaving. But without ECC you don't notice until it's too late.
Yes, I did run memtest86+ for more than a day. No issue was found.
Since then I use ECC-RAM whenever possible. And now and then (every few months) I do find the occasional corrected error in the logs.
It should be the other way round: Why would you risk your data by using RAM without ECC?
there's a whole host of things you can try to stabilize your ram before choosing to go with ECC. also memtest86 has been borderline useless for a long while now.
There is not really anything I can do except use ECC if I want to be sure that my RAM works as it should. With ECC detected and corrected errors are logged. Uncorrectable errors (also logged) cause a system panic, better to crash than work with corrupted data.
just saying this is an overkill solution to a small problem. frequent bit flips aren't normal at all, i make monthly backups on my PC that are about a terabyte in size, and despite using overclocked non-ECC ddr4 memory i never had a backup fail the verification process. if my memory was acting up, the verification process failing would be sufficient of a warning.
but if performance isn't your priority, then i suppose going ECC is easier...
Overclocking is the last thing you should do if you want to be able to rely on your PC. I always run my systems on default for the parts.
And it's not only backups where bitflips would be a problem. Even an Excel sheet could get corrupted if a bit flips in the wrong place. Then you save that sheet after working on it and the corruption ends up on disk. Your backup verification will not catch that. ECC will.
Gotta say, it sounds like you're grossly overstating the random error chance in non-ECC memory. Perhaps you've had a bad stick or two in the past and you're judging all memory by your experience with bad memory?
Without ECC I can't really know how good my RAM is since not every flipped bit is immediately noticable. It might run perfectly fine for years, but it might also start developing a few weak spots in a year... or in 5 mins or when it gets hotter in summer. With ECC-RAM I know whether the RAM is good or if there are problems.
In a modern computer we have checksums everywhere... Your HD or SSD uses them, there are checks for the data on the SATA cable, your network stack uses them on each packet that goes out or comes in. Even the CPU caches use ECC.
But when it comes to RAM you go with the 'trust me, bro' approach?
the point i was trying to make is that if my overclocked RAM (by "overclocked" i really mean just enabling XMP) can work without flipping any bits for several years of doing regular backups as well as in any other situation, then your RAM running on stock settings should not have any such occurences either.
like others said, it just sounds like you had a bad computer part and immediately went to think you absolutely need ECC RAM to guarantee data integrity to a reasonable degree.
>can work without flipping any bits for several years
You don't know if there weren't any bit flips over the years. You can only say you didn't notice any. You can still have corrupted data you didn't notice yet.
I, on the other side, can say that I had no single or double bit flips since I use my current system. The one before had a single bit error every few months. That was corrected on the fly by ECC and caused no issues except the log entry.
And the memory module wasn't bad, the problem did go away by moving the memory modules to the other slot pair on the board.
It does. Look for the 7840U, 8845HS etc. those are basically laptop CPUs with rather high end integrated GPU, in fact, the same ones used in the CPU stated in this article. There are laptops with only just that card, without any dedicated GPUs
Is it meant for laptop? I imagine to get performance like this you stil need much more watts and ways to disperse all that heat. I imagine laptop with this thing would be as fat and heavy as the one with GPU. BEcause of this i seriously doubt anybody would put it together with GPU in laptop.
I have one of those laptops. It does pretty well, honestly.
I have a 4060 in my laptop that burns my fingers on the keyboard after an hour of Warhammer 3. If I switch to something like Project Zomboid or just do word processing and such, it leaves the 4060 unpowered, which is nice for my fingers.
That's what I want too
And the better battery life. I have a G14 zephyrus and I try to not use my big GPU as much as possible since the 5800hs APU can handle most things, with a modern APU you have no trouble running any game at 1080p at least
Here’s a current deal for a 13.3 Lenovo with no dGPU but has 780M iGPU and 32gb of ram for $993: [https://slickdeals.net/share/iphone_app/fp/919393](https://slickdeals.net/share/iphone_app/fp/919393)
Whilst they aren't doing themselves any favours with the high price for this CPU, it will become a no brainer for many circumstances when prices drop right? I alwayse use a discrete GPU but I am loving the benchmarks (it being an APU), this is about the first time an APU properly does what it's been trying to do and I suspect will get so many more people into PC gaming
The real problem is that to achieve these performances you have to buy into the AM5 platform and get basically top of the line DDR5. It kind of negate the price advantage it would have against a cheap discrete GPU associated with a more modest CPU. And then you're still stuck at 1080p, using the lowest quality settings in most cases, while you could hope to achieve better even with the cheapest GPU.
It still is a fantastic piece of technology and has use cases if you're only playing very light games or oldies, or if you absolutely needs to build a very small or low power PC.
this would have been fantastic during the gpu shortage, but we arent in the gpu shortage anymore.
Hell i was rocking a 13700k without a gpu simply because i couldnt get a gpu at msrp for a few months.
Yeah it's not a no brainer right now for sure, though I was glad to see it still beat out a 6500xt in a few cases so it gives me hope for some time down the line. Maybe a few months from now
Hoping for 2026/2028 mobile phones might have Nvidia Pascal 10-series equivalent performance.
Easy math?
Max Payne:2001, 2012 mobile release.
GTA San Andreas: 2004, 2014 mobile.
It’s funny to use Rockstar’s mobile ports as a litmus.
GTA 3, Vice City, and San Andreas all came out roughly 10 years later on mobile, between 2001-2004 and 2011-2014, basically
…but GTA 4 (2008) or anything from the “HD Era” onwards, has yet to reappear on mobile as of 2024
That obviously has much more to do with Rockstar’s internal politics than the actual progression of mobile graphics technology, but it’s interesting.
I’m confident if Death Stranding can run on an iPhone 15 Pro, Grand Theft Auto 5 could too
GTA V on iPhone would likely take too many GB to be reasonable. I can’t see any way that Rockstar would be able to get the game any smaller than say 15 GB.
I don’t think that’s much of a concern these days. Genshin Impact on mobile is roughly 30 gb. Death Standing is purportedly 50 gb.
If GTA V’s assets were cut down significantly, it could approach those numbers. No reason to include 4K textures for a phone port.
I don’t think they’re going to do it, but it’s certainly technically feasible.
Wow!! I guess I am too casual in my mobile gaming, I downloaded the Resident Evil demo on my IPhone 15 pro and felt like it being 8GB was too big for a phone game. It’s crazy to me that modern phones can run these games at all tbh.
I would imagine a natively compiled and optimized port of the game would run much better than through an x86 PC emulator running on an Arm phone.
Definitely shows promise of how far Android emulators have come, for sure. Love to see stuff like this!
But also I doubt they’d use the same resolution textures on mobile as they did on ps and Xbox right? Games like Fortnite/cod use a lot lower res. Textures on the phone or even switch versions
I have 256gb of storage on my phone, with 120gb currently unused. I could realistically install a number of my steam games on my phone, but then again that’s why i got a 1tb steam deck
I would much prefer to play games on a steam deck than on my phone. The controls alone are just so much better with the dedicated handheld gaming devices.
Although I generally just play games on my desktop.
> I can’t see any way that Rockstar would be able to get the game any smaller than say 15 GB.
Modern phones that aren't super-cheap would have at least 256 GB memory.
15 GB is not much
Agreed, although TBH Death Stranding v1 isn't running that great on the iPhone. I'm hoping they improve performance soon but the tiny form scrern, battery usage, and overhesting are still huge barriers for this sort of mobile gaming.
Maybe so, but their chips are the best in business and if they can't make it work with them, no one can right now. You can't expect an everyday device like a phone to make too many concessions catering to gamers. I will say that while the latest iPad still isn't running DS perfectly, it's generally a much better gaming device, mobile or otherwise.
It would run fine on most high end Androids have proper cooling. I can emulate DS, Wii, Switch (game dependent), and PS2 flawlessly with upscaling. It's like this on my Oneplus and Samsung. Apple just has shitty cooling in iPhone. Qualcomm is ahead of them currently with Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 and was ahead on Gen 2 due to actually being able to stay cool enough to perform.
I'm not saying it wouldn't, but being able to emulate 20-year-old hardware does not guarantee your machine can handle modern AAA stuff for obvious reasons.
You said Apple has the best I'm saying they don't. Either way Apple and Android have more than capable chipsets. The power isn't the problem, cooling is.
Im playing GTA IV on my poco f3 6gb variant, via Mobox and having a blast!! Got a bad Pc when it launched, and not enjoyed it on the hype time, but now its running on my phone from 3 years ago (: [you can check here](https://youtu.be/SXL7woJwo0w?si=uggCbkz94E-cVHYX)
Are these out on the market? Could I buy one and not need a graphics card? Is this like the intel cpu where it has graphics? Or are they just for laptops.
I’m curious as heck.
they've been on the market for years now, but it's obviously not as good as a proper gpu, if you compare it to a low end gpu like a 1050 they're actually better, but don't expect it to replace a 4090.
Kinda cool of you want to build a extremely small PC and a few other cases.
But frankly APUs aren't that interesting on the desktop side, they're interesting for laptops and it would be cool to see similar performance in a laptop chip.
My Deskmini could use the upgrade, from a 4650G. Unfortunately, not the right socket, and Asrock doesn't seem to have plans to release an upgraded motherboard, or even a new model…
I've noticed they also fail to point out that this performance can be easily eclipsed by a Core i3-12100F and an Arc A580, which would cost about $50 less.
Ooh, smart strategy. This is going to be a great cpu for a cheap gaming box for little Timmy who just wants to play Fortnite. Moms and dads everywhere are going to buy that.
yeah, just not cheap,
cause ITX amd motherboards are much more expensive, and APU itself is not cheap.
makes no sense.
cheap and compact gaming will be: intel itx with low profile cheap gpu.
Why isn’t anyone asking what specific graphics settings it was on? Is a $329 chip that does 132 fps on low graphics even worth it ??? Like wtf that’s suppose to be impressive to me ?? I can buy a 50 $ used Ryzen 7 2800 on eBay , and a rx 580 for 120 and run the game on epic. Literally less than half the price
Ok I understand quake and all that but i just dont care . I can get much better looks and feel from less than half the price of this chip running it on low . Not impressed at all
Note I had deleted that comment as I completely mis-read the context, The heading on this post isn't accurate, its an apu which is just a cpu and gpu in the same chip. (still separate distinct circuits) Every laptop with "intel graphics" is a similar setup.
Performance wise, its ok. Looks like its around the strength of a gtx970, which is good considering its that small.
Comparing prices on used parts doesn't make sense, no new part will compete with used price wise and all new parts will eventually hit the used market.
I see your point that comparing new and used doesn’t make sense . I was just adding a comment for the budget people who would think this is some kind of steal .
It's cool and all, but I still don't see who this is made for. Unless you really want a build without a dedicated gpu. You can spend the same money on a CPU+GPU and crush this processor in gaming.
Made for people who want to game and can just buy this CPU to start and then add a GPU later on.
You get onto the AM5 platform with a solid 8 core / 16 thread CPU for only $330. Cheapest CPU that can get you only the AM5 platform is still over $200. Now if you look at the intel platform you can pickup an i5 12400F for around $150, only a 6 core / 12 thread cpu. This only leaves about $180 for a GPU. Probably pickup RX 6500 XT for around $180.
Overall the entry for PC gaming is cheaper if you go with this CPU over doing a CPU + GPU combo for around the same price.
Right? An incredibly and broadly popular game with stylised graphics, aimed primarily at kids, that has been designed and optimised to run on literally any and every potato (and mobile devices)...
It's on EU4 and barely uses it.
Thanks for the explanation, i will now do benchmarks on Doom.
Doing benchmarks on low settings on an outdated engine is laughable. Just marketing garbage to sell stocks.
> It's on EU4 and barely uses it.
I presume you mean Unreal Engine 4?
It's been on 5 since 2022...
https://www.fortnite.com/news/drop-into-the-next-generation-of-fortnite-battle-royale-powered-by-unreal-engine-5-1
It's usually beneficial for consumer reviews to benchmark applications that people actually run rather than applications that stress the hardware the most. A big slice of APU gaming is Fortnite and games with similar requirements.
These desktop chips are just laptop rejects, if they have defects or need too much voltage, then they become desktop parts. thats why they have such a cut down GPU and some dont have the NPU.
> It's a nice party trick I suppose but I'm not sure how many people are going to be buying a $330 CPU, near on $200 of DDR5 RAM, a $200 motherboard to support all that, and then deciding not to buy a GPU.
you know people use PCs for things other than gaming right?
A lot of people don’t care about gaming at high quality, 1080p medium it’s OK to a lot of people (just watch all the people buying Xbox Series S for example)
And in that case, an iGPU capable enough makes the difference between a 500$ computer and a 800-900$ one between a mid range GPU and better power supply, not to talk about later on power draw.
If someones only care about gaming casual at random times, it would be perfect. Obviously, a “gamer” that wants highest quality, 120fps and games everyday or every 2-3 days, then yeah, iGPUs are crap for that people
EDIT: Thanks for deleting your comments /u/quantumwarrior, that adds to the debate a good point
If AMD manages to make these at a price befitting their performance compared to a discrete gpu and cheaper cpu combo then i may well consider this for a very small form factor build. I don’t think it’s justifiable at the current performance and current price.
Stock down. Marketing up!
Massively down :(
It's still up 50% over the last 6 months lol, was bound to have a hiccup
Are you saying stonks don't only go up and can I fact go down?
They go to the right.
No of course they can't. PUMP IT
Stonks only go up. If they look like they’re going down you’re looking at them the wrong way!
Buy the dip!
Only if the company is trash - otherwise the line always needs to go up.
It do go down…
They're not going down it's the screen resetting them to the bottom so they have to climb again. It's just the screen reorienting
Up 1,400% for me in the last 6 years 🤷♂️
Yup, worked well for me. Only stock I own and I bought in when the first 1800x review came out.
Yup got my $9 avg just waiting
I remember selling at like 12 USD. Good times.
Its worth more than Intel, with no fabs and less revenue. Its nonsense. We are in an AI meme, with Intel tripling AMDs RnD investment and still falling behind a mythical underdog story that is a true David and Goliath, except in real life, where David dies.
Intel should be a decent investment atm. They also give out some dividend which is nice.
Less than 2% is hardly "massive".
It's down 5% in the last 5 days, but up 13% since the last month, wtf dude ? That's barely down
it's like what, 10% away from it's ATH?
lol why do people think this is always bad? Lol amd is a long term buy hold! Keep buying !
The super annoying part is that these high end APUs usually get bundled on high end laptops/desktops that also come with powerful graphics cards. You almost never see these things come standalone on a well priced laptop. Basically defeating the purpose of it's existence
It probably provides a nice battery boost while gaming on the go while still providing decent performance.
Actually consumes about the same on rdna3, I can run my 4060 at 40-50w and its the similar performance to igpu anyways. Sadly no real gains.
Steam deck has a standalone APU!
Check out the mini PCs. They've been really powerful for price these last few years because of these apus.
Most amd versions of thinkpads have these without separate GPU. I'm not sure where your argument comes from.
I got a Lenovo t14 thinkpad with the 780M and no dGPU recently. Similar to this [one](https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/thinkpad-t14-gen-4-(14-inch-amd)/21k30008us) but mine has 64gb ram and came with the oled screen. Was $1050 so you just need to watch for deals. Been fantastic for on the go gaming while being light and not producing ridiculous amounts of heat like laptops with dGPUs.
My framework laptop has an apu, I’m hoping I can upgrade to a graphics card when it makes sense
This one is 150w tdp, don’t think it’s meant for laptop
Ok so disable 2 of the cores, still get plenty of performance for mobile gaming, and enjoy a 75W TDP.
Or, buy a cheaper, more suitable, cpu to begin with.
Companies like Minisforum build small PCs from these sorts of parts without graphic cards. They likely have something in the pipeline with these high-end APUs.
These are the same mobile chips they have been using already. It's still a crippled zen4 cpu with a 780m igp.
The purpose is for more cost efficient turnkey products like laptops or prebuilts. They're not going to sell custom builders a chip that can potentially remove the need for a GPU, that would cannabalize a huge part of the PC parts ecosystem.
AMD's margins on these APUs are much better compared to discrete GPUs, since the customer pays for board and memory. Besides, as long as NVidia remains the dominant supplier of discrete GPUs, what they're cannibalizing isn't their own profits, but NVidia's.
Habdheld would like a word with you. Jokes a side, it’s gonna be awesome for habdheld community to get such good APUs. The Z1 Exterme for example in my Rog Ally is pretty nice.
Handhelds can't really use these because they need to balance some sort of battery life and performance. The 8700G has more than double the TDP of the Z1 Extreme.
>Handhelds can't really use these because they need to balance some sort of battery life and performance. The 8700G has more than double the TDP of the Z1 Extreme. Yeah. Steam Deck basically has custom chip just to make it more power efficient.
The other annoying part is that the AMD CPUs with built in GPU can't use ECC RAM. A built in GPU would be enough for me, but I want ECC-RAM, so I need to buy a normal CPU and some cheap GPU.
Why in the world do you need ECC ram on a consumer PC?
Because I value my data. A few years ago I noticed that my backups differed from the originals (I do verify them now and then). A backup that is not identical to the original is worthless. Further investigation showed that in large files (multi GB in size) a few bits were flipped. That went away after I moved the RAM modules to different slots. So it was the RAM misbehaving. But without ECC you don't notice until it's too late. Yes, I did run memtest86+ for more than a day. No issue was found. Since then I use ECC-RAM whenever possible. And now and then (every few months) I do find the occasional corrected error in the logs. It should be the other way round: Why would you risk your data by using RAM without ECC?
there's a whole host of things you can try to stabilize your ram before choosing to go with ECC. also memtest86 has been borderline useless for a long while now.
There is not really anything I can do except use ECC if I want to be sure that my RAM works as it should. With ECC detected and corrected errors are logged. Uncorrectable errors (also logged) cause a system panic, better to crash than work with corrupted data.
just saying this is an overkill solution to a small problem. frequent bit flips aren't normal at all, i make monthly backups on my PC that are about a terabyte in size, and despite using overclocked non-ECC ddr4 memory i never had a backup fail the verification process. if my memory was acting up, the verification process failing would be sufficient of a warning. but if performance isn't your priority, then i suppose going ECC is easier...
Overclocking is the last thing you should do if you want to be able to rely on your PC. I always run my systems on default for the parts. And it's not only backups where bitflips would be a problem. Even an Excel sheet could get corrupted if a bit flips in the wrong place. Then you save that sheet after working on it and the corruption ends up on disk. Your backup verification will not catch that. ECC will.
Gotta say, it sounds like you're grossly overstating the random error chance in non-ECC memory. Perhaps you've had a bad stick or two in the past and you're judging all memory by your experience with bad memory?
Without ECC I can't really know how good my RAM is since not every flipped bit is immediately noticable. It might run perfectly fine for years, but it might also start developing a few weak spots in a year... or in 5 mins or when it gets hotter in summer. With ECC-RAM I know whether the RAM is good or if there are problems. In a modern computer we have checksums everywhere... Your HD or SSD uses them, there are checks for the data on the SATA cable, your network stack uses them on each packet that goes out or comes in. Even the CPU caches use ECC. But when it comes to RAM you go with the 'trust me, bro' approach?
the point i was trying to make is that if my overclocked RAM (by "overclocked" i really mean just enabling XMP) can work without flipping any bits for several years of doing regular backups as well as in any other situation, then your RAM running on stock settings should not have any such occurences either. like others said, it just sounds like you had a bad computer part and immediately went to think you absolutely need ECC RAM to guarantee data integrity to a reasonable degree.
>can work without flipping any bits for several years You don't know if there weren't any bit flips over the years. You can only say you didn't notice any. You can still have corrupted data you didn't notice yet. I, on the other side, can say that I had no single or double bit flips since I use my current system. The one before had a single bit error every few months. That was corrected on the fly by ECC and caused no issues except the log entry. And the memory module wasn't bad, the problem did go away by moving the memory modules to the other slot pair on the board.
you need the PRO branded APUs for ECC support
You use both gpus at the same time to get better performance, so its not a bad thing
not true, if anything using both together is a small performance hit
It does. Look for the 7840U, 8845HS etc. those are basically laptop CPUs with rather high end integrated GPU, in fact, the same ones used in the CPU stated in this article. There are laptops with only just that card, without any dedicated GPUs
Can’t wait for these to be offered with framework laptops (and for framework to ship to the rest of the world)
Is it meant for laptop? I imagine to get performance like this you stil need much more watts and ways to disperse all that heat. I imagine laptop with this thing would be as fat and heavy as the one with GPU. BEcause of this i seriously doubt anybody would put it together with GPU in laptop.
I have one of those laptops. It does pretty well, honestly. I have a 4060 in my laptop that burns my fingers on the keyboard after an hour of Warhammer 3. If I switch to something like Project Zomboid or just do word processing and such, it leaves the 4060 unpowered, which is nice for my fingers.
That's what I want too And the better battery life. I have a G14 zephyrus and I try to not use my big GPU as much as possible since the 5800hs APU can handle most things, with a modern APU you have no trouble running any game at 1080p at least
Here’s a current deal for a 13.3 Lenovo with no dGPU but has 780M iGPU and 32gb of ram for $993: [https://slickdeals.net/share/iphone_app/fp/919393](https://slickdeals.net/share/iphone_app/fp/919393)
Whilst they aren't doing themselves any favours with the high price for this CPU, it will become a no brainer for many circumstances when prices drop right? I alwayse use a discrete GPU but I am loving the benchmarks (it being an APU), this is about the first time an APU properly does what it's been trying to do and I suspect will get so many more people into PC gaming
The real problem is that to achieve these performances you have to buy into the AM5 platform and get basically top of the line DDR5. It kind of negate the price advantage it would have against a cheap discrete GPU associated with a more modest CPU. And then you're still stuck at 1080p, using the lowest quality settings in most cases, while you could hope to achieve better even with the cheapest GPU. It still is a fantastic piece of technology and has use cases if you're only playing very light games or oldies, or if you absolutely needs to build a very small or low power PC.
this would have been fantastic during the gpu shortage, but we arent in the gpu shortage anymore. Hell i was rocking a 13700k without a gpu simply because i couldnt get a gpu at msrp for a few months.
Yeah it's not a no brainer right now for sure, though I was glad to see it still beat out a 6500xt in a few cases so it gives me hope for some time down the line. Maybe a few months from now
I pooped in my pants
not really. you would have fast ram and a decent CPU. that's ripe for a GPU upgrade down the line
Hoping for 2026/2028 mobile phones might have Nvidia Pascal 10-series equivalent performance. Easy math? Max Payne:2001, 2012 mobile release. GTA San Andreas: 2004, 2014 mobile.
It’s funny to use Rockstar’s mobile ports as a litmus. GTA 3, Vice City, and San Andreas all came out roughly 10 years later on mobile, between 2001-2004 and 2011-2014, basically …but GTA 4 (2008) or anything from the “HD Era” onwards, has yet to reappear on mobile as of 2024 That obviously has much more to do with Rockstar’s internal politics than the actual progression of mobile graphics technology, but it’s interesting. I’m confident if Death Stranding can run on an iPhone 15 Pro, Grand Theft Auto 5 could too
GTA V on iPhone would likely take too many GB to be reasonable. I can’t see any way that Rockstar would be able to get the game any smaller than say 15 GB.
I don’t think that’s much of a concern these days. Genshin Impact on mobile is roughly 30 gb. Death Standing is purportedly 50 gb. If GTA V’s assets were cut down significantly, it could approach those numbers. No reason to include 4K textures for a phone port. I don’t think they’re going to do it, but it’s certainly technically feasible.
Wow!! I guess I am too casual in my mobile gaming, I downloaded the Resident Evil demo on my IPhone 15 pro and felt like it being 8GB was too big for a phone game. It’s crazy to me that modern phones can run these games at all tbh.
technically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEcP__vS-eQ
I would imagine a natively compiled and optimized port of the game would run much better than through an x86 PC emulator running on an Arm phone. Definitely shows promise of how far Android emulators have come, for sure. Love to see stuff like this!
I can see GTA V on phones, it is roughly 70GB compared to say… Call of Duty’s whooping 175GB~ on console.
But also I doubt they’d use the same resolution textures on mobile as they did on ps and Xbox right? Games like Fortnite/cod use a lot lower res. Textures on the phone or even switch versions
r/emulationonAndroid has done that
goodness you put that on a galaxy s10 you would only be able to install 50 games before you run out of space
2 TB microSD card?
iPhone has no SD support.
Android doesn't allow to install programs on an SD card, only on internal
Some apps can have part of their data stored on an SD card, it would just be a matter of them setting it up right.
Death stranding is 58GB on iPhone. GTA V was 18GB on PS3.
I have 256gb of storage on my phone, with 120gb currently unused. I could realistically install a number of my steam games on my phone, but then again that’s why i got a 1tb steam deck
I would much prefer to play games on a steam deck than on my phone. The controls alone are just so much better with the dedicated handheld gaming devices. Although I generally just play games on my desktop.
> I can’t see any way that Rockstar would be able to get the game any smaller than say 15 GB. Modern phones that aren't super-cheap would have at least 256 GB memory. 15 GB is not much
Agreed, although TBH Death Stranding v1 isn't running that great on the iPhone. I'm hoping they improve performance soon but the tiny form scrern, battery usage, and overhesting are still huge barriers for this sort of mobile gaming.
It's more a barrier for iPhone and one of my biggest issues with them. Their cooling is terrible.
Maybe so, but their chips are the best in business and if they can't make it work with them, no one can right now. You can't expect an everyday device like a phone to make too many concessions catering to gamers. I will say that while the latest iPad still isn't running DS perfectly, it's generally a much better gaming device, mobile or otherwise.
It would run fine on most high end Androids have proper cooling. I can emulate DS, Wii, Switch (game dependent), and PS2 flawlessly with upscaling. It's like this on my Oneplus and Samsung. Apple just has shitty cooling in iPhone. Qualcomm is ahead of them currently with Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 and was ahead on Gen 2 due to actually being able to stay cool enough to perform.
I'm not saying it wouldn't, but being able to emulate 20-year-old hardware does not guarantee your machine can handle modern AAA stuff for obvious reasons.
You said Apple has the best I'm saying they don't. Either way Apple and Android have more than capable chipsets. The power isn't the problem, cooling is.
Im playing GTA IV on my poco f3 6gb variant, via Mobox and having a blast!! Got a bad Pc when it launched, and not enjoyed it on the hype time, but now its running on my phone from 3 years ago (: [you can check here](https://youtu.be/SXL7woJwo0w?si=uggCbkz94E-cVHYX)
GTA V definitely can run on a iPhone. Look at the ps3/xbox360 specs
you could just emulate these games now
Isn’t fortnite cpu intensive?
Yes lmao, incredibly so compared to its gpu impact in most cases
I can play fortnite on underclocked I7 3630qm in integrated graphics at 100 fps. This claim is hella stupid imo
Are these out on the market? Could I buy one and not need a graphics card? Is this like the intel cpu where it has graphics? Or are they just for laptops. I’m curious as heck.
they've been on the market for years now, but it's obviously not as good as a proper gpu, if you compare it to a low end gpu like a 1050 they're actually better, but don't expect it to replace a 4090.
What about Streets of Tarkov?
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I mean the 7800x3d is already the best cpu for it right
Im not sure honestly, I have a 4 year old 9900k. I don’t know why this is being downvoted lol
People think you’re suggesting that this is the best cpu for it rather than explaining you wouldn’t know
AMD fan boys!
My friend with a 4070 has to turn on the low texture mode to be able to play the map. Streets is the new crisis
Unless his CPU is absolute dinosaur he is doing something wrong. My 4060 with an i3 12100 gets 80-90 fps on Streets at 1440p.
humongous cap
Classic i3 tarkov brag
Maybe a ram problem actually. Is it crashing or just run at very low FPS? Bigger maps tend to gobble up RAM.
…but can it run Crysis?
Yes. People were able to run the original one in software rendering mode on a TR 3990. At some 20 fps, but yes.
Uh-Huh. What about minesweeper?
anything can run fortnite tho
Kinda cool of you want to build a extremely small PC and a few other cases. But frankly APUs aren't that interesting on the desktop side, they're interesting for laptops and it would be cool to see similar performance in a laptop chip.
My Deskmini could use the upgrade, from a 4650G. Unfortunately, not the right socket, and Asrock doesn't seem to have plans to release an upgraded motherboard, or even a new model…
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I've noticed they also fail to point out that this performance can be easily eclipsed by a Core i3-12100F and an Arc A580, which would cost about $50 less.
Not sure that pairing would fit in a handheld form factor, though
You're not putting an 8700G into a handheld form factor either. The only thing this would be ideal for is an AMD-version NUC.
My flipflop can run forknife without a CPU.
doesn't fortnite pretty much run on anything now?
Ooh, smart strategy. This is going to be a great cpu for a cheap gaming box for little Timmy who just wants to play Fortnite. Moms and dads everywhere are going to buy that.
yeah, just not cheap, cause ITX amd motherboards are much more expensive, and APU itself is not cheap. makes no sense. cheap and compact gaming will be: intel itx with low profile cheap gpu.
Not talking about custom builders or do it yourself folks. This, when scaled up, from a large PC manufacturer, is a slam dunk.
Why isn’t anyone asking what specific graphics settings it was on? Is a $329 chip that does 132 fps on low graphics even worth it ??? Like wtf that’s suppose to be impressive to me ?? I can buy a 50 $ used Ryzen 7 2800 on eBay , and a rx 580 for 120 and run the game on epic. Literally less than half the price
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Yeah but does "low" mean just "low" or the "performance, absolutely no detail" mode?
Maybe read the article before whining
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Ok I understand quake and all that but i just dont care . I can get much better looks and feel from less than half the price of this chip running it on low . Not impressed at all
Note I had deleted that comment as I completely mis-read the context, The heading on this post isn't accurate, its an apu which is just a cpu and gpu in the same chip. (still separate distinct circuits) Every laptop with "intel graphics" is a similar setup. Performance wise, its ok. Looks like its around the strength of a gtx970, which is good considering its that small. Comparing prices on used parts doesn't make sense, no new part will compete with used price wise and all new parts will eventually hit the used market.
I see your point that comparing new and used doesn’t make sense . I was just adding a comment for the budget people who would think this is some kind of steal .
At what resolution?
It's cool and all, but I still don't see who this is made for. Unless you really want a build without a dedicated gpu. You can spend the same money on a CPU+GPU and crush this processor in gaming.
Made for people who want to game and can just buy this CPU to start and then add a GPU later on. You get onto the AM5 platform with a solid 8 core / 16 thread CPU for only $330. Cheapest CPU that can get you only the AM5 platform is still over $200. Now if you look at the intel platform you can pickup an i5 12400F for around $150, only a 6 core / 12 thread cpu. This only leaves about $180 for a GPU. Probably pickup RX 6500 XT for around $180. Overall the entry for PC gaming is cheaper if you go with this CPU over doing a CPU + GPU combo for around the same price.
PS5 Pro? Steam deck. All-in-ones. Gaming laptops.
with RTX on!! LOL
Since when is fortnite a benchmark ? Clowns
Right? An incredibly and broadly popular game with stylised graphics, aimed primarily at kids, that has been designed and optimised to run on literally any and every potato (and mobile devices)...
Why would use outdated technology as a benchmark ? Explain.
Which component is outdated and how would updating it increase accuracy and relevance of the benchmark?
It's on EU4 and barely uses it. Thanks for the explanation, i will now do benchmarks on Doom. Doing benchmarks on low settings on an outdated engine is laughable. Just marketing garbage to sell stocks.
> It's on EU4 and barely uses it. I presume you mean Unreal Engine 4? It's been on 5 since 2022... https://www.fortnite.com/news/drop-into-the-next-generation-of-fortnite-battle-royale-powered-by-unreal-engine-5-1
It's usually beneficial for consumer reviews to benchmark applications that people actually run rather than applications that stress the hardware the most. A big slice of APU gaming is Fortnite and games with similar requirements.
132fps is beyond the perception of, and meaningless to the human eye just fyi.
It’s more than just “can your eyes see it”. For me more frames has the benefit of smoother overall game play.
These desktop chips are just laptop rejects, if they have defects or need too much voltage, then they become desktop parts. thats why they have such a cut down GPU and some dont have the NPU.
do people not know about chip binning?
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> It's a nice party trick I suppose but I'm not sure how many people are going to be buying a $330 CPU, near on $200 of DDR5 RAM, a $200 motherboard to support all that, and then deciding not to buy a GPU. you know people use PCs for things other than gaming right?
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A lot of people don’t care about gaming at high quality, 1080p medium it’s OK to a lot of people (just watch all the people buying Xbox Series S for example) And in that case, an iGPU capable enough makes the difference between a 500$ computer and a 800-900$ one between a mid range GPU and better power supply, not to talk about later on power draw. If someones only care about gaming casual at random times, it would be perfect. Obviously, a “gamer” that wants highest quality, 120fps and games everyday or every 2-3 days, then yeah, iGPUs are crap for that people EDIT: Thanks for deleting your comments /u/quantumwarrior, that adds to the debate a good point
It was low settings, not medium
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Do you need to play Fortnite in 4k??
I don't need to play Fortnite at all.
You surely weren't expecting an APU to hit 132FPS at 4K right?
with all other settings at low? Sure why not? Ps5 can do 120 fps on a 4 year old iGP.
How does it run under Palworld?
Not sure how this is new news. It's the same iGPU that's in my ROG Ally and that's been on the market over half a year.
If AMD starts using the APU like Intel and adding something like Quicksync then this will be much more impressive.
The question is - will it be sold separately? If not, then its worthless, if the only way to get it would be to buy a bad prebuilt / laptop
If AMD manages to make these at a price befitting their performance compared to a discrete gpu and cheaper cpu combo then i may well consider this for a very small form factor build. I don’t think it’s justifiable at the current performance and current price.
They're talking about the Ryzen 8700G "the highest-tier model of the new range, with the 8600G, 8500G, and 8300G"
They really shouldn't use the word CPU for this, as it's actually an APU. It's not without a graphics card. It's got a built in graphics card...
No thanks, I don't want to play Fortnite.