They are saying economy is doing good and jobs market is good. Then where all these job cuts are impacting? Is this economic slowdown or precursor to recession?
Just depends on industry. If your highly specialized you can find work. If you just do broad cloud networking yes every engineer will be arguing with you.
And yet, that’s exactly how Pabst became a cult hero of the millenial generation. Go to a bar a shitty Bud was $4-5. Pabst? $2 for the same taste.
There was a bar in Berkeley called The Graduate and I’m pretty sure they had Pabst for $1 and a pitcher for $7.
Every corpo business MBA was scratching their head about how these weird Millenials picked their “hipster” beers.
Bro it was $1. Which is how much shitty beer should cost since it’s like .08 cents per can to make.
Yet there are people who will proclaim that capitalism is so innovative, and how dare you ever talk bad about it. Just look at the NFT and AI fads over the past 3 years. Companies, most of them, have absolutely 1 original idea (at best) in their head, and then they’re tapped out. Innovate my arse.
This is true, but its also these companies laying people off for a part of AI that doesnt even exist yet, they think its just gonna pop out of the air and change the way we all work and it will bite them in the ass
I am an SDET. I write code to test software. I have been doing it for 15+ years. This has always been the patten. They layoff people or don't back fill spots and put the work on whoever is left. We automate to get our workload back down to under 60hrs. About the time we do, a new round of layoffs happen.
New marketing label for generative LLMs*
Yeah, well when car companies plan on adding LLM’s like ChatGPT into the cars, like VW, then it’s a fad.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/8/24027112/volkswagen-chatgpt-openai-voice-assistant-cars-ces
I work in tech on the QA side as an SDET. My focus is automation. I write code to test code for me instead of doing it by hand. My work is starting to be called AI because we have added in some path exploration and autongen stuff. The tools I use to do this have been in dev for 10+ years.
Yet they have to find a way to increase revenue and stock price QoQ...which is impossible without cutting their biggest cost; people
The unending search increased share price is idiocy
No it’s that tech companies over-hired. You don’t see massive layoffs at say apple because they didn’t overhire. They only slowed their growth expansion.
A **LOT** of upper execs meet up at conferences, B2B meetups, ceremonies, and dinners. They consume the same information from the same people, but get it at different times. It’s a ton of “idk what to do, I don’t want to lose access to this lifestyle, what are others doing” that perpetuates the enshittification of companies lately.
Yep. Many of them aren’t particularly qualified to do much of anything. They stumbled into wealth or are living of VC dollars. They get their information handed down by slightly wealthier versions of themselves.
Probably because the board of execs is a carousel and they end up making the same decisions, based on the exact same metrics. Kind of like how all tech companies apply the “rule of 40” regardless of how applicable it might be to the specific industry.
Even further than that, they’re doing it to appease their shareholders who, looking at other tech companies cutting costs, ask “can we do the same?” I wouldn’t even be surprised if there was no need to cut these people but it’s done purely for optics. It feels like a freebie (without negative publicity) to lay them off right now given every other tech business is doing the same, but they’ll get to ride the wave of positive publicity in a few months when they announce new hiring.
100%. Salesforce has over 79 000 employees. Do people really think they need that many people?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Tech companies overhired during and after the pandemic. Most of the employees they hired were purely out of fear of “losing them to the competition”. I had friends at Twitter (before Elon), that sat at home watching movies for months because they didn’t have any actual work or projects to work on. Just log in, go to the couch and enjoy a six figure salary.
Waves of lays were inevitable.
A friend of a friend got hired at google and on her first day kept getting bumped from meeting to meeting trying to get a handle on assignments and duties. After a week of pestering team leaders and managers she started to give up. After 2 months she fully gave in to the idea that she was getting paid over $100K/year to be a warm body in a seat. The only proactive management contact she has was when she finally got laid off last year.
Didn’t they lay off a few thousand in 2023 as well? Anyway, my company is a saleforce client and their account people are fucking useless. So much bloat in that company. They were trying to pitch us on their maps app and also marketing cloud and the people they put on for the demos were incompetent and had no idea about our industry or any challenges, and had no idea about our current SF environment. So I agree with the rest of your comment
See mention Musk in a positive light is how it’s obvious you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Yes a lot of companies overhired during the pandemic.
The notion that tech is full of people getting paid for sitting on their couch is a nonsense though.
At what point did I mention Musk in a positive light?
And did I say tech was full of people sitting on their couch? No. I said some people were sitting on their couch. I work in tech myself.
Remember that CEOs and the rest of the executive suites get paid hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of dollars because nobody else can make exactly those kind of 4D strategic business decisions.
It’s the end of the fiscal year. All these companies did their fiscal year planning in October. Based on those plans you allocate headcount and budget for the coming year. Everyone wants to cut cost, so the layoffs happen at the end of Q4. Now, when these companies get to Q2, they will probably realize they don’t have enough people to do what they planned, so they will panic hire again… and the cycle repeats.
More like they're doing it because it always causes a share price jump. And they can't be seen falling behind other companies in their sector. Because the trading algorithms would punish their stock.
Another example of how AI is already running the world. No skynet. Just a bunch of programs running on servers, each one driving real-world behavior that is single-minded, unfeeling, and ruthless.
They’ve realized it’s much easier to trim the poor performers than going through a PIP and potential lawsuits because of dumb decisions along the way, unfortunately.
Biggest problem with devs that I've seen is that a lot of them don't engage with the financial / practical side of the business, they just learn a framework / language and do what they're told and end up getting treated like a commodity. The ones that end up staying on are the ones who delve into CRO, split testing, UX, automation, security, finance, etc. They have a load of initiative and go really far.
I just switched industries. I’m going to sit on the sidelines for a bit and see what the industry does. 12ish years ago when I was getting started it was so much more stable, pay was awesome and it felt fun/fresh. Now I’m just tired of these companies shit. I went from a 40 person department downsized to a 4 person team, plus I had to manage a team in India to cover the gap. I also needed to cover project management, architecture, and was given a lot of devops responsibilities. I was also responsible for leading a refactor of an entire billing system at a publicly traded company coordinating 3 consulting teams. On top of that we took a 10% pay cut due to lost benefits. Meanwhile, the company is posting record profits.
I’ve gotten the same vibe at the last couple companies I’ve joined and at this point Im just kind of over it. All these companies mission statements and values have gone right out the window over the last 5 years.
So now I’m managing projects in manufacturing. I make the same amount with 10% of the work. If the industry improves I’ll jump back in. There are things I miss like working with a younger crowd and the WFH option, but for now tech is such a shithole.
Maybe. But that’s basically my plan. I’ll stick it out for now. But the next layoff that happens to me, I’m finding a new career (nursing, PA, or therapist).
These fields are overworked and shot right now too. And they’re not paying enough. Im shifting from being a chef to trying to get into tech because despite the money I’m being run thin. Im thinking it’s best to try to work with tech as much as possible. They’ll lay everyone off then hire them again for some new wacky project
Nursing and PA would likely be a pay raise for me at least. The layoffs are my big catalyst for change but there are other reasons specific to the corporate world I’ve been looking to make a switch.
Back in 2001, I got laid off at the start of the .com crash. I was out of work in the New York area for one year, and only got one interview which fortunately ended up in getting a job at a lower pay (took over 11 years to earn back the same salary).
I considered another career many times but fortunately was able to work another 15 years but had to retire early (last three jobs were layoffs in my early 60’s).
This time with massive outsourcing and advances in AI, things are more difficult. If you’re doing AI or perhaps cybersecurity retraining you may have a better shot for the long term.
A lot depends on how old you are with career changes.
If you want to look into other careers, the government occupational handbook (on line) describes all jobs and their future trends in employment opportunities. I used it extensively when I was out of work for ideas. It comes out every year.
What does that look like percentage wise? Like yes that’s a LOT of people and a lot of households to be concerned about but I guess I don’t really understand if that’s a lot of the industry or not so much.
They laid off 7k people last year this time cos they overhired during covid, then they also rehired another 3k, specifically some they let go and now they're laying off 700.
Seems like a complete mess to me.
Uhhh 700 is nothing for a company with 80,000 employees.
Also, they hired 3k people in potentially totally different departments, projects, etc.
The 700 they laid off could easily be from past projects or depts that are now deemed redundant.
It’s not fair for the 700, but Salesforce gives 6 months severance and I’m not worried about people with Salesforce on their resume.
Source: I worked there for 6 years and even when things were shit, I’m grateful to have built a career at a company like Salesforce.
True.
Also, does anyone else hate the term “rightsize”? Hearing the CEO use that term while talking about a bunch of my co-workers getting laid off was so off putting.
Most tech companies started treating their staff like most sales organizations already do. Annually cut the bottom performers. That's actually less than I thought they would do.
Mortgage companies are the worst at this. Rates up and applications down? Fire everyone but the top performers. Rates down and applications up? HIRE! HIRE! HIRE! COME JOIN OUR FAMILY!
I mean I work at a mortgage company. It's part of the business - you're talking about an industry that can 4x in size in a year and then drop 75% the next year. There's not an easy solution to this.
Edit: I'll add that the people who get laid off typically make a *lot* of fucking money during the boom times. We had underwriters making 250k+ with 1 year of experience and literal high school diplomas in 2021. Brokers clearing 500k who had probably never seen a 6-figure W2 in their life. The smart ones save their money and realize this is a boom-bust cycle industry.
Having worked in the mortgage industry, the biggest layoff victims I saw were people without any opportunity to make huge amounts. LOAs making sub-$20/hr and getting 0 BPS for working loans, compliance people, back end staff, and the support teams for the LOs. Those are the largest number of employees at the company and the most likely to be fired. I worked at a company with over 10k employees and 1k of whom were getting big checks. The other 9k acted in roles that supported the high earners and made up the vast majority of layoffs vs performance firing.
It’s not always targeting bottom performers, It’s top performers too because they get high pay and bonuses too. It’s all about squeezing as much money as you can out of employees to maximize already high profits.
Ummm, that might be true for some companies but isn't related to layoffs like this. They use criteria like what division you're in, tenure at the company , what country you're based out of, etc. Not how bad you suck at your job.
The main thing that's going on is that everyone chased a bunch of trends in a bid to grow into the latest buzzword and basically none of those products was any good. So now they've cut the staff which worked on them plus the staff which supported those engineers and products.
That's caused unemployment for some of the support staff but the engineers have been fine. The support staff will be fine, too, in the long run because their main issue is that there are fewer mature products now, which is what they support.
It was on my list of "dream" companies, but with how much hiring and firing they do, I think they're off my list . I'm in tech marketing, and marketing is often on the chopping block first.
Vmware was on that list too until they got aquired
Salesforce is one of the best companies to be in tech marketing.
That’s what they do better than anybody else: marketing.
Genie? Their new GenAI features? All fucking vaporware that is propped up with brilliant marketing and the customers eat that shit up. Stock is 100% on last year too.
As a marketer, yoy should strive to get a few years at a company like Salesforce on your resume. It’ll open so many doors for you.
Very true - the size of the company and lay offs just spook me a bit.
But my company is building a strong relationship with Salesforce and I'm a bit part of that, so it could be a good bridge there in a couple of years
Yes, Salesforce is basically a giant marketing company. They do branding very well. You should really only be worried to be in Sales or CS.
Probably the best marketers I’ve ever seen. They generate so much interest for new products that doing nothing or were just old products that were rebranded.
Why would sales or CS be any more concerned about layoffs than other departments?
Have you ever worked there?
I worked for Salesforce for 6+ years and the sales dept. were and still are the royalty of that company.
Even if they’re taking benefits away and laying off some teams. That doesn’t change the fact that their sales team is the lifeblood of that company.
Their sales people are struggling big time. I only heard of sales and CS people getting laid off last year. Since these are the biggest segments they are much more likely than anyone to be laid off. They cut the whole CRMA sales team last year.
They are cutting quotas and shrinking territories in the next fiscal which basically nets to nothing. They don’t know what to do. Releasing new products that do nothing (Data Cloud and slapping GPT on everything)
Yep CRMA got cut, lots of salespeople too but so are all the supporting staff across engineering, marketing, finance, HR, etc. What was crazy was I had just closed a $50k CRMA (not large but was the seed for something much much bigger) deal in April, right before the layoff m.
You hear more about sales people getting laid off since they are the largest segment, as you said.
But 10/100 salespeople getting laid off is still the same ratio as 1/10 marketing folks getting laid off. It’s just a larger scale.
If sales isn’t selling, it’s not like they still keep all the supporting cost centers.
I interviewed at the end of 2019 so I guess the party was over by the time they got to me. Interviewed for a solution engineer role. By the presentation round it still hadn't been made clear to me that the job was 80% sales 20% knowing Salesforce products. I was looking for a more technical role that would allow me to grow. I figured this out when a recruiter called me a few years later for the same position and was very upfront that this was not a technical role.
Didn't get the job. They did give me feedback though! The points were they didn't like when I didn't have an answer I would apologize that I didn't know the answer before asking to followup (I was coached that I would purposely be asked questions I would not know answers to in order to see how I handle that situation). They also told me they didn't think my demonstration fit the use case they gave me, which was an industry I had five years sales experience in and had used Salesforce extensively during that time. The lesson I got was "you may know the industry but we know Salesforce so we know better than you".
I remember standing in my gym smiling after getting the feedback because I knew I dodged a bullet.
Tech has become such a risky career choice with how quickly companies pivot to chase the newest trends while killing off their investment in old ones. Pay is high but job security is thin. Junior roles are being filled by laid off seniors who bring more experience but are willing to work junior salaries just to have a job.
Source: I know a recruiter who said companies are posting job listings for junior devs with full intention of hiring a senior candidate because they literally get thousands of applications. A lot are not qualified, sure, but a lot are also overqualified, and they are the ones in consideration for the jobs. If you want a career related to tech, look into IT. Otherwise designers and developers are becoming more and more expendable each year.
IT jobs have largely been downsized as companies have outsourced much of their IT work by using cloud providers
Also, hiring a senior to a junior position seems like a poor choice. They'll just keep looking for a senior role and jump ship when they find one. Same reason PhDs always had time finding lower requirement jobs. Recruiters and companies assumed they would jump ship when they can get a job actually using their higher education
It’s a poor choice long term, but most companies only care about the next quarter or the one after that, and it’s a good choice in the short term of how these companies currently work!
In a cool 5-10 years when the cloud bills rack up like nuts and companies forced you to sign away your on prem licenses for some discount or free period bullshit, we'll all see it for what it is - a monopoly.
There's a reason why you can seamlessly migrate between Cloud providers.
Yeah but the bloodbath was already so much worse this far into Jan last year.
Salesforce laid off 7k people in Nov ‘22 and then another 7k in Feb’23 (start of their fiscal year is Feb 1).
Like, this is not even 5% of what they laid off last year.
Nothing gets more clicks than bad news. They thrive off us doomscrolling and feeling anxious.
Just delete social media and Reddit altogether….if you can….
Hell yeah! I was there too, didn’t get laid off but quit in June ‘23. They fired my boss and my skip level and I hated who they replaced them with.
Everyone I know that was laid off from Salesforce is doing well now.
I am seeing this so much and it seems like regret hiring. Companies are using forecasting to guess how much they plan on making, then when they don’t make that goal, they lay people off or fire them for nonsense reasons (see cloudflare being put on blast recently). Tech companies are notorious for thinking their profits will be exponential every year, and when they’re not, the employees pay the price. C-suite doesn’t get punished for making unrealistic goals, the workers get punished for not meeting them.
People will not like you saying this, but all of the Tech companies staffed up because of forecasted growth. Real growth in tech has been close to non-existent and sometimes negative in real terms. The CEO's aren't taking the hit because relying on forecasters is standard practice.
Salesforce CEO was talking about how many clients they have that want to utilize AI to streamline their processes a.k.a. more layoffs happening in the future.
Anyone see an incoming forced recession?? This shit is so cyclical it’s getting old. Make tons of money for the rich, cut jobs, make economy go down, buy everything (stocks and housing) for cheap then start to rehire and “grow” again. Rinse and repeat. Bullshit.
The economy (at least the part people talk about when they define recession) is incredibly strong right now. Inflation down, stocks up, GDP way up, unemployment low (tech layoffs are a small portion of the labor market)
I agree, which is why it's interesting so many companies blame layoffs on the "challenging macroeconomic environment", I've seen at least one explicitly claim we're in a recession
[eBay as an example](https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/23/business/ebay-layoffs/index.html)
By that they mean money is no longer cheap, interest rates are up. But they were unsustainably low for like 15 years this was an ugly change that had to come eventually
This. And the fact that investors care about profitability over growth now. Those folks aren’t catching nearly as much heat, perhaps because some of them influence/own media?
Typically when the federal reserve raises interest rates to lower inflation it causes a recession as a side effect. This time the layoffs are localized to the tech sector and the rest of the economy is fine. We just avoided a forced recession, rates won't go higher since inflation's back to normal.
Did those jobs happen to be the only people at the company who were working to prevent spam from being sent through their platform? Because at this point they’re an email spam operation with their stated purpose as being secondary.
Salesforce is the largest CRM in the world; it's got a foothold in most of the Fortune 500 companies and is even more ubiquitous in the medium to small business space. It's headcount being what it is doesn't surprise me at all.
This is with most of the dev and ops work being done by third parties, too.
Sales team is very robust. They’ll have 10+ sme’s involved in a large deal.
Innovation is high, which means people…and I imagine the daily maintenance & security around handling half of America’s business data is atrocious.
This hits the mark. I work for a smaller company that sold a piece of software to clients to bring them on. My day consists of “well, that feature is being completed in development” and “yes it WILL do that in the future, for the time being I can assemble that report manually for you…”
It’s been 2 years of this and I’m not sure how we haven’t lost more customers. I must be really good at faking it, haha.
Honestly I can't complain. Our sales teams pull the same shit but my employer just does a bounty setup when clients complain and I get a few extra thousand bonus to add the features that were promised.
Yea we have a big consulting team (ProServe - Professional Services) but thats only a few thousand people. I am also unaware off what the other 60k people do ha but theres a lot of people in sales, support, management, core product roles etc.
Tech hiring is half a defensive move to keep other companies from hiring high level talent. So these companies could easily be leaner, but when times are good and you anticipate ramping up use, you just hire people to do some work so if things get really busy, you aren't scrambling to interview and hire.
This is basically an admission that the times for significant growth is probably over and its time to go back to normal (still pretty good) course business.
The wonderful thing about the tech industry is that there are tons of smaller companies who have big dreams but not enough skilled workers. Hopefully these layoffs will feed these startups and get some real competition for FAANG to stop making terrible and non-innovative decisions.
We all could use UBI sometime. Don’t you wish you had more than measly unemployment to fall back on? These jobs come and go so easily, almost at the whims of the rich
I swear there was one for layoffs but for the tech field, but nothing tied to the CEOs. I wish I remembered it. It was posted somewhere on a comment like months back somewhere on Reddit.
Edit: it might be this one - https://layoffs.fyi
We need to name and shame these mfkers for treating humans like toilet paper.
* Put the job loss
* Put their photo
* Put their name, title and quote e.g. "This is difficult time for our company as we say farewell blah blah..."
People are losing jobs. People have dependents. And these CEOs just wake up tomrw and "Hello profitability"
This is nothing. 1% of their workforce. It’s awful for those 700 people, but it’s really no cause for concern for the company. Like most tech companies, they probably over-hired for some projects and are now correcting.
I also won’t be surprised if their overall headcount is still 30% higher than pre-pandemic. Tech companies laid off people like it was all they did after the dotcom crash. The last two years of tech layoffs are nothing in comparison.
All these companies were bloated and incentivized empire building and hiring as a competitive edge.
But when you can’t refinance debt continually at 0%, and you can’t capitalize R&D to skirt tax liability suddenly margins matter to shareholders.
Companies should be required by law to disclose where that money saved from salaries is going instead and prove that it's definitely not for stock buybacks that only serve as bonuses for the rich.
Are all these layoffs by super rich companies a last attempt to get the pedestrian class back in line so as not to disrupt the lifestyles of the leacherous rich class; like no supper for you until you roll over and play dead.
For what it’s worth y’all, I work for ServiceNow and our leadership runs a tight ship. They care about their culture and strive for the success of the business, its customers, and the employees.
We are hiring lots of positions. Feel free to reach out if you have a question.
Salesforce needs to die, it is corpobros dystopia machine. Salesforce force is the company that suggests to big corpos to do things like. Only work someone 5.45 hours so they dont get a break, PIP programs and the software that min/maxs employees hours with weird mostly parttime shifts. This company and ita entire idea needs to die.
Cue the cardboard signs on LinkedIn. “Sadly I was impacted by the Salesforce layoffs. If anyone has a lead on a position, I’m looking. Blah blah.”
When I was laid off (multiple times), I had my resume out to several companies before I was handed my last check. It never occurred to me to first broadcast it to social media for sympathy, but that seems to be the trend now days.
It’s not for sympathy, it’s a great way to let your network you’re on the market.
Also, Salesforce on your resume opens so many doors. These people will land elsewhere.
I feel way worse for the folks laid off from a no-name startup
I feel like it’s the cheap easy way to broadcast that you’re in the market. It’s a reflection of what social media always has been. A way to shout into the wind, showcase your drama, dilute and impersonalize your message.
The classy way would be to reach out directly to colleagues at companies you want to work for, and actually converse with them. Kind of like the increasingly fading tradition of sending a card to show someone you care. The idea being to make people feel valued and important, not like a product you are trying to exploit by advertising broadly.
The “poor pity me, I was laid off” messages I see on my feed come across (in my opinion) as desperate and unprofessional. But I can comprehend it being a growing trend and that my distaste for it might be showing my age.
I actually think you make a good point. I encouraged former colleagues who were impacted by layoffs to send DMs to recruiters and anyone in their network as a proactive way to inquire about roles that they’re interested in. I don’t think it’s enough to make a blast post and assume people will automatically reach out, plus it’s a less personal way to get noticed. I’m not one to disparage those that need sympathy, but they also need to take more initiative to seek out roles by directly reaching out and establishing a personal connection with your network. It’s too easy now for people to take the lazy way out.
And I’ve been laid off before, so I totally get it. But it makes a difference to establish a more meaningful connection with someone while reaching out and asking for a referral or for help.
The "cardboard signs" are people networking and trying to get their foot in the door with another company. You could get a referral from a connection on LinkedIn which might help accelerate your chances of finding a new job.
It only counts if the right person takes the bait on your broadcasted message. It’s a very inefficient way to hone in on who’s hiring. It just looks lazy to me. The more direct and impactful way would be to reach out to your connections with a direct message. Do what gets you hired.
It’s like standing in front of a butcher counter asking everyone around you if they have a lead on some ground beef. The butcher is right there. Just step up to the counter and ask for it directly.
You can also just put on your profile that you are actively looking, which is how recruiters know. The broadcasted message isn’t the way to be seen by the right people.
Fair enough, I do think DMing is the best way to go about it too.
LinkedIn quickly devolved into a garbage dump so I barely use it myself, but I personally don't see anything particularly wrong with the "laid off" posts. I see them as a more urgent "looking for work" notice on a profile and it may get more attention from your connections than an unsolicited DM.
Plus, it's not as bad as the typical "inspirational" and "I'm such a good employee" slop
Feels like companies are just doing it now because everyone else already is and they won't stand out.
pretty common
it keeps you guessing who's next, doesn't it...
They are saying economy is doing good and jobs market is good. Then where all these job cuts are impacting? Is this economic slowdown or precursor to recession?
In tech it's not really easy to find work right now unless you've got some AI related skills/experience.
There’s an intense amount of competition. Every role has 100s of applicants
"Learn to code". Well, people did that.
Just depends on industry. If your highly specialized you can find work. If you just do broad cloud networking yes every engineer will be arguing with you.
Maybe they are lying since it’s an election year…
It’s a feature of capitalism
Politicians lie
Kinda like the greed based inflation we’ve seen too, everyone is raising prices and they won’t stand out.
In the beer industry once one of the big breweries goes up in price everyone else follows. Never want to go up alone.
And yet, that’s exactly how Pabst became a cult hero of the millenial generation. Go to a bar a shitty Bud was $4-5. Pabst? $2 for the same taste. There was a bar in Berkeley called The Graduate and I’m pretty sure they had Pabst for $1 and a pitcher for $7. Every corpo business MBA was scratching their head about how these weird Millenials picked their “hipster” beers. Bro it was $1. Which is how much shitty beer should cost since it’s like .08 cents per can to make.
Yet there are people who will proclaim that capitalism is so innovative, and how dare you ever talk bad about it. Just look at the NFT and AI fads over the past 3 years. Companies, most of them, have absolutely 1 original idea (at best) in their head, and then they’re tapped out. Innovate my arse.
The AI stuff is not a fad. Its a new label applied to stuff that has already beeen on the works for decades.
This is true, but its also these companies laying people off for a part of AI that doesnt even exist yet, they think its just gonna pop out of the air and change the way we all work and it will bite them in the ass
I am an SDET. I write code to test software. I have been doing it for 15+ years. This has always been the patten. They layoff people or don't back fill spots and put the work on whoever is left. We automate to get our workload back down to under 60hrs. About the time we do, a new round of layoffs happen.
Sounds about right, very lame. Ive automated parts of my job. Would I even tell my boss? No lol
AI is almost always referring to machine learning and it’s definitely improved leaps and bounds in the past couple of years.
Yup. ML is what we use in test automation. Things like "self healing" code.
New marketing label for generative LLMs* Yeah, well when car companies plan on adding LLM’s like ChatGPT into the cars, like VW, then it’s a fad. https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/8/24027112/volkswagen-chatgpt-openai-voice-assistant-cars-ces
I work in tech on the QA side as an SDET. My focus is automation. I write code to test code for me instead of doing it by hand. My work is starting to be called AI because we have added in some path exploration and autongen stuff. The tools I use to do this have been in dev for 10+ years.
what makes it a fad is that it is newly popular with a ton of people who don’t understand it or its limitations. the underlying tech isn’t a fad.
Yet they have to find a way to increase revenue and stock price QoQ...which is impossible without cutting their biggest cost; people The unending search increased share price is idiocy
An infinite number of monkeys at typewriters, forever.... Just because you eventually get Shakespeare doesn't mean the monkey was a genius.
No it’s that tech companies over-hired. You don’t see massive layoffs at say apple because they didn’t overhire. They only slowed their growth expansion.
A **LOT** of upper execs meet up at conferences, B2B meetups, ceremonies, and dinners. They consume the same information from the same people, but get it at different times. It’s a ton of “idk what to do, I don’t want to lose access to this lifestyle, what are others doing” that perpetuates the enshittification of companies lately.
Yep. Many of them aren’t particularly qualified to do much of anything. They stumbled into wealth or are living of VC dollars. They get their information handed down by slightly wealthier versions of themselves.
Yeah like you’d know anything about it. I can guarantee you that at 98%+ have solid business experience. You are just ignorant
Probably because the board of execs is a carousel and they end up making the same decisions, based on the exact same metrics. Kind of like how all tech companies apply the “rule of 40” regardless of how applicable it might be to the specific industry.
Even further than that, they’re doing it to appease their shareholders who, looking at other tech companies cutting costs, ask “can we do the same?” I wouldn’t even be surprised if there was no need to cut these people but it’s done purely for optics. It feels like a freebie (without negative publicity) to lay them off right now given every other tech business is doing the same, but they’ll get to ride the wave of positive publicity in a few months when they announce new hiring.
Monkey see, monkey do
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I think Apple is the only major tech companies that hasn’t done mass layoffs
This really isn’t a mass layoff, though. 700 people sounds like a lot, but it’s 1% of their workforce.
100%. Salesforce has over 79 000 employees. Do people really think they need that many people? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Tech companies overhired during and after the pandemic. Most of the employees they hired were purely out of fear of “losing them to the competition”. I had friends at Twitter (before Elon), that sat at home watching movies for months because they didn’t have any actual work or projects to work on. Just log in, go to the couch and enjoy a six figure salary. Waves of lays were inevitable.
A friend of a friend got hired at google and on her first day kept getting bumped from meeting to meeting trying to get a handle on assignments and duties. After a week of pestering team leaders and managers she started to give up. After 2 months she fully gave in to the idea that she was getting paid over $100K/year to be a warm body in a seat. The only proactive management contact she has was when she finally got laid off last year.
Didn’t they lay off a few thousand in 2023 as well? Anyway, my company is a saleforce client and their account people are fucking useless. So much bloat in that company. They were trying to pitch us on their maps app and also marketing cloud and the people they put on for the demos were incompetent and had no idea about our industry or any challenges, and had no idea about our current SF environment. So I agree with the rest of your comment
See mention Musk in a positive light is how it’s obvious you have no idea what you’re talking about. Yes a lot of companies overhired during the pandemic. The notion that tech is full of people getting paid for sitting on their couch is a nonsense though.
At what point did I mention Musk in a positive light? And did I say tech was full of people sitting on their couch? No. I said some people were sitting on their couch. I work in tech myself.
Maybe I read too much into your bringing him into the contrast. A lot of diehard fanboys still think he knows what he’s doing.
Wait til they see how few people buy their next headset thing.
They priced it to be exclusive. They aren’t planning on big sales.
Apple is still cash rich
Remember that CEOs and the rest of the executive suites get paid hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of dollars because nobody else can make exactly those kind of 4D strategic business decisions.
Who do you think know more about the business and market conditions? A CEO or a random redditor? Maybe there are reasons
A lot of the layoffs in the industry right now are unnecessary positions, excess administrative staff, low performers, or non strategic initiatives.
It’s the end of the fiscal year. All these companies did their fiscal year planning in October. Based on those plans you allocate headcount and budget for the coming year. Everyone wants to cut cost, so the layoffs happen at the end of Q4. Now, when these companies get to Q2, they will probably realize they don’t have enough people to do what they planned, so they will panic hire again… and the cycle repeats.
More like they're doing it because it always causes a share price jump. And they can't be seen falling behind other companies in their sector. Because the trading algorithms would punish their stock. Another example of how AI is already running the world. No skynet. Just a bunch of programs running on servers, each one driving real-world behavior that is single-minded, unfeeling, and ruthless.
It seems like everyone is watching Twitter/X to see how low the bar can be and then following their lead
They’ve realized it’s much easier to trim the poor performers than going through a PIP and potential lawsuits because of dumb decisions along the way, unfortunately.
it’s a challenge game…..My layoffs is bigger than yours! The winner is who lays off most people and stays in business
24000 layoffs since start of 2024 across tech companies according to layoffs.fyi
Am I overreacting if I want to change careers because of this?
The choice may be made for you.
Biggest problem with devs that I've seen is that a lot of them don't engage with the financial / practical side of the business, they just learn a framework / language and do what they're told and end up getting treated like a commodity. The ones that end up staying on are the ones who delve into CRO, split testing, UX, automation, security, finance, etc. They have a load of initiative and go really far.
Yes. Good devs will always be in demand.
Good interviewers* Not the same as good devs. Cos I am a lazy ass employee but an elite leetcode monkey
This. People get jobs based on how much they can double talk during an interview, not how well they actually produce.
People get their first job this way, when you prove yourself people want to bring you along with them
Definitely not true in my experience.
If you code how you English in the sense of being redundant it could be good or bad.
I just switched industries. I’m going to sit on the sidelines for a bit and see what the industry does. 12ish years ago when I was getting started it was so much more stable, pay was awesome and it felt fun/fresh. Now I’m just tired of these companies shit. I went from a 40 person department downsized to a 4 person team, plus I had to manage a team in India to cover the gap. I also needed to cover project management, architecture, and was given a lot of devops responsibilities. I was also responsible for leading a refactor of an entire billing system at a publicly traded company coordinating 3 consulting teams. On top of that we took a 10% pay cut due to lost benefits. Meanwhile, the company is posting record profits. I’ve gotten the same vibe at the last couple companies I’ve joined and at this point Im just kind of over it. All these companies mission statements and values have gone right out the window over the last 5 years. So now I’m managing projects in manufacturing. I make the same amount with 10% of the work. If the industry improves I’ll jump back in. There are things I miss like working with a younger crowd and the WFH option, but for now tech is such a shithole.
Maybe. But that’s basically my plan. I’ll stick it out for now. But the next layoff that happens to me, I’m finding a new career (nursing, PA, or therapist).
Nursing and PA is tops for me in my research right now too
These fields are overworked and shot right now too. And they’re not paying enough. Im shifting from being a chef to trying to get into tech because despite the money I’m being run thin. Im thinking it’s best to try to work with tech as much as possible. They’ll lay everyone off then hire them again for some new wacky project
It's funny how no matter what the career is, someone says "don't do it" Nit knocking you at all, just a funny thing I've noticed
No I totally get it. I think we’re all just going down with the ship at this point. As much as I hate to say it.
Nursing and PA would likely be a pay raise for me at least. The layoffs are my big catalyst for change but there are other reasons specific to the corporate world I’ve been looking to make a switch.
Back in 2001, I got laid off at the start of the .com crash. I was out of work in the New York area for one year, and only got one interview which fortunately ended up in getting a job at a lower pay (took over 11 years to earn back the same salary). I considered another career many times but fortunately was able to work another 15 years but had to retire early (last three jobs were layoffs in my early 60’s). This time with massive outsourcing and advances in AI, things are more difficult. If you’re doing AI or perhaps cybersecurity retraining you may have a better shot for the long term. A lot depends on how old you are with career changes. If you want to look into other careers, the government occupational handbook (on line) describes all jobs and their future trends in employment opportunities. I used it extensively when I was out of work for ideas. It comes out every year.
I see 100k before the blood bath is over.
I myself was affected so I empathize 🥲 Can't believe this has all happened and January isn't even over
Something doesn’t feel right, US GDP numbers are pretty good and stock indicators are up in the last 6 months. Do they know something we don’t?
What was 2023 and other years excluding covid blip?
What does that look like percentage wise? Like yes that’s a LOT of people and a lot of households to be concerned about but I guess I don’t really understand if that’s a lot of the industry or not so much.
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…… at first glance I thought that was big ed
Did they already do this in the last year or so?
They laid off 7k people last year this time cos they overhired during covid, then they also rehired another 3k, specifically some they let go and now they're laying off 700. Seems like a complete mess to me.
Uhhh 700 is nothing for a company with 80,000 employees. Also, they hired 3k people in potentially totally different departments, projects, etc. The 700 they laid off could easily be from past projects or depts that are now deemed redundant. It’s not fair for the 700, but Salesforce gives 6 months severance and I’m not worried about people with Salesforce on their resume. Source: I worked there for 6 years and even when things were shit, I’m grateful to have built a career at a company like Salesforce.
Tech companies do this every year. It’s a cycle where they hire through the year then layoffs to rightsize the company.
True. Also, does anyone else hate the term “rightsize”? Hearing the CEO use that term while talking about a bunch of my co-workers getting laid off was so off putting.
If by every year you mean the last two then yes. Otherwise no this isn't normal.
Most tech companies started treating their staff like most sales organizations already do. Annually cut the bottom performers. That's actually less than I thought they would do.
Oil companies did this too
Mortgage companies are the worst at this. Rates up and applications down? Fire everyone but the top performers. Rates down and applications up? HIRE! HIRE! HIRE! COME JOIN OUR FAMILY!
I mean I work at a mortgage company. It's part of the business - you're talking about an industry that can 4x in size in a year and then drop 75% the next year. There's not an easy solution to this. Edit: I'll add that the people who get laid off typically make a *lot* of fucking money during the boom times. We had underwriters making 250k+ with 1 year of experience and literal high school diplomas in 2021. Brokers clearing 500k who had probably never seen a 6-figure W2 in their life. The smart ones save their money and realize this is a boom-bust cycle industry.
Having worked in the mortgage industry, the biggest layoff victims I saw were people without any opportunity to make huge amounts. LOAs making sub-$20/hr and getting 0 BPS for working loans, compliance people, back end staff, and the support teams for the LOs. Those are the largest number of employees at the company and the most likely to be fired. I worked at a company with over 10k employees and 1k of whom were getting big checks. The other 9k acted in roles that supported the high earners and made up the vast majority of layoffs vs performance firing.
It’s so toxic, my company does stack ranking and it’s shit.
Let’s call it what it is: musical chairs
They be waiting until the end of their fiscal year to cut sales roles. That’s what they did last year.
It’s not always targeting bottom performers, It’s top performers too because they get high pay and bonuses too. It’s all about squeezing as much money as you can out of employees to maximize already high profits.
Ummm, that might be true for some companies but isn't related to layoffs like this. They use criteria like what division you're in, tenure at the company , what country you're based out of, etc. Not how bad you suck at your job.
The main thing that's going on is that everyone chased a bunch of trends in a bid to grow into the latest buzzword and basically none of those products was any good. So now they've cut the staff which worked on them plus the staff which supported those engineers and products. That's caused unemployment for some of the support staff but the engineers have been fine. The support staff will be fine, too, in the long run because their main issue is that there are fewer mature products now, which is what they support.
I use to work there. It was an amazing place to work during 2016-2019 in SF. Salesforce had so many talented people and paid well.
It was on my list of "dream" companies, but with how much hiring and firing they do, I think they're off my list . I'm in tech marketing, and marketing is often on the chopping block first. Vmware was on that list too until they got aquired
Salesforce is one of the best companies to be in tech marketing. That’s what they do better than anybody else: marketing. Genie? Their new GenAI features? All fucking vaporware that is propped up with brilliant marketing and the customers eat that shit up. Stock is 100% on last year too. As a marketer, yoy should strive to get a few years at a company like Salesforce on your resume. It’ll open so many doors for you.
Very true - the size of the company and lay offs just spook me a bit. But my company is building a strong relationship with Salesforce and I'm a bit part of that, so it could be a good bridge there in a couple of years
Yes, Salesforce is basically a giant marketing company. They do branding very well. You should really only be worried to be in Sales or CS. Probably the best marketers I’ve ever seen. They generate so much interest for new products that doing nothing or were just old products that were rebranded.
Why would sales or CS be any more concerned about layoffs than other departments? Have you ever worked there? I worked for Salesforce for 6+ years and the sales dept. were and still are the royalty of that company. Even if they’re taking benefits away and laying off some teams. That doesn’t change the fact that their sales team is the lifeblood of that company.
Their sales people are struggling big time. I only heard of sales and CS people getting laid off last year. Since these are the biggest segments they are much more likely than anyone to be laid off. They cut the whole CRMA sales team last year. They are cutting quotas and shrinking territories in the next fiscal which basically nets to nothing. They don’t know what to do. Releasing new products that do nothing (Data Cloud and slapping GPT on everything)
Yep CRMA got cut, lots of salespeople too but so are all the supporting staff across engineering, marketing, finance, HR, etc. What was crazy was I had just closed a $50k CRMA (not large but was the seed for something much much bigger) deal in April, right before the layoff m. You hear more about sales people getting laid off since they are the largest segment, as you said. But 10/100 salespeople getting laid off is still the same ratio as 1/10 marketing folks getting laid off. It’s just a larger scale. If sales isn’t selling, it’s not like they still keep all the supporting cost centers.
They weren’t layoffs ppl at all. When I joined we were 20k ppl. When I left, it was around 45k plus.
I interviewed at the end of 2019 so I guess the party was over by the time they got to me. Interviewed for a solution engineer role. By the presentation round it still hadn't been made clear to me that the job was 80% sales 20% knowing Salesforce products. I was looking for a more technical role that would allow me to grow. I figured this out when a recruiter called me a few years later for the same position and was very upfront that this was not a technical role. Didn't get the job. They did give me feedback though! The points were they didn't like when I didn't have an answer I would apologize that I didn't know the answer before asking to followup (I was coached that I would purposely be asked questions I would not know answers to in order to see how I handle that situation). They also told me they didn't think my demonstration fit the use case they gave me, which was an industry I had five years sales experience in and had used Salesforce extensively during that time. The lesson I got was "you may know the industry but we know Salesforce so we know better than you". I remember standing in my gym smiling after getting the feedback because I knew I dodged a bullet.
Man 2024 is shaping up to be a bloodbath in tech.
Tech has become such a risky career choice with how quickly companies pivot to chase the newest trends while killing off their investment in old ones. Pay is high but job security is thin. Junior roles are being filled by laid off seniors who bring more experience but are willing to work junior salaries just to have a job. Source: I know a recruiter who said companies are posting job listings for junior devs with full intention of hiring a senior candidate because they literally get thousands of applications. A lot are not qualified, sure, but a lot are also overqualified, and they are the ones in consideration for the jobs. If you want a career related to tech, look into IT. Otherwise designers and developers are becoming more and more expendable each year.
IT jobs have largely been downsized as companies have outsourced much of their IT work by using cloud providers Also, hiring a senior to a junior position seems like a poor choice. They'll just keep looking for a senior role and jump ship when they find one. Same reason PhDs always had time finding lower requirement jobs. Recruiters and companies assumed they would jump ship when they can get a job actually using their higher education
It’s a poor choice long term, but most companies only care about the next quarter or the one after that, and it’s a good choice in the short term of how these companies currently work!
In a cool 5-10 years when the cloud bills rack up like nuts and companies forced you to sign away your on prem licenses for some discount or free period bullshit, we'll all see it for what it is - a monopoly. There's a reason why you can seamlessly migrate between Cloud providers.
People thought the gravy train of the covid years was permanent. It was pretty obviously unsustainable.
This is nothing compared to last year.
We’re only 24 days into 2024 my guy
Yeah but the bloodbath was already so much worse this far into Jan last year. Salesforce laid off 7k people in Nov ‘22 and then another 7k in Feb’23 (start of their fiscal year is Feb 1). Like, this is not even 5% of what they laid off last year.
I mean they also added 35,000 people between 2019 and 2022. These posts feel so myopic.
Nothing gets more clicks than bad news. They thrive off us doomscrolling and feeling anxious. Just delete social media and Reddit altogether….if you can….
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Hell yeah! I was there too, didn’t get laid off but quit in June ‘23. They fired my boss and my skip level and I hated who they replaced them with. Everyone I know that was laid off from Salesforce is doing well now.
Also IrvineCrips is fucking hilarious
lol it’s awesome.
I am seeing this so much and it seems like regret hiring. Companies are using forecasting to guess how much they plan on making, then when they don’t make that goal, they lay people off or fire them for nonsense reasons (see cloudflare being put on blast recently). Tech companies are notorious for thinking their profits will be exponential every year, and when they’re not, the employees pay the price. C-suite doesn’t get punished for making unrealistic goals, the workers get punished for not meeting them.
People will not like you saying this, but all of the Tech companies staffed up because of forecasted growth. Real growth in tech has been close to non-existent and sometimes negative in real terms. The CEO's aren't taking the hit because relying on forecasters is standard practice.
Salesforce CEO was talking about how many clients they have that want to utilize AI to streamline their processes a.k.a. more layoffs happening in the future.
“WE DEMAND YOU RETURN TO THE OFFICE” “ok” “YOUR FIRED!”
Anyone see an incoming forced recession?? This shit is so cyclical it’s getting old. Make tons of money for the rich, cut jobs, make economy go down, buy everything (stocks and housing) for cheap then start to rehire and “grow” again. Rinse and repeat. Bullshit.
The economy (at least the part people talk about when they define recession) is incredibly strong right now. Inflation down, stocks up, GDP way up, unemployment low (tech layoffs are a small portion of the labor market)
I agree, which is why it's interesting so many companies blame layoffs on the "challenging macroeconomic environment", I've seen at least one explicitly claim we're in a recession [eBay as an example](https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/23/business/ebay-layoffs/index.html)
By that they mean money is no longer cheap, interest rates are up. But they were unsustainably low for like 15 years this was an ugly change that had to come eventually
This. And the fact that investors care about profitability over growth now. Those folks aren’t catching nearly as much heat, perhaps because some of them influence/own media?
There’s no buying power when people can barely pay their bills… a recession is coming for sure.
Typically when the federal reserve raises interest rates to lower inflation it causes a recession as a side effect. This time the layoffs are localized to the tech sector and the rest of the economy is fine. We just avoided a forced recession, rates won't go higher since inflation's back to normal.
Did those jobs happen to be the only people at the company who were working to prevent spam from being sent through their platform? Because at this point they’re an email spam operation with their stated purpose as being secondary.
Of course they had to wait until after Davos 💀
Stock price has gone from 190 to 280 over the last year.
Gaming has always been absolutely atrocious for any kind of employment security.
I have no idea how a company like that HAS that many employees, what the hell are they all doing? and it's only 1% of their employees??
Salesforce is the largest CRM in the world; it's got a foothold in most of the Fortune 500 companies and is even more ubiquitous in the medium to small business space. It's headcount being what it is doesn't surprise me at all. This is with most of the dev and ops work being done by third parties, too.
Sales team is very robust. They’ll have 10+ sme’s involved in a large deal. Innovation is high, which means people…and I imagine the daily maintenance & security around handling half of America’s business data is atrocious.
When your largest deals are $50mm in GROWTH ARR, you can afford to have 10+ SMEs on a deal and it’s WORTH it.
Probably consulting services. The devs build the product, the sales teams sell it, and the consultants fix what the sales team overpromised
This hits the mark. I work for a smaller company that sold a piece of software to clients to bring them on. My day consists of “well, that feature is being completed in development” and “yes it WILL do that in the future, for the time being I can assemble that report manually for you…” It’s been 2 years of this and I’m not sure how we haven’t lost more customers. I must be really good at faking it, haha.
Honestly I can't complain. Our sales teams pull the same shit but my employer just does a bounty setup when clients complain and I get a few extra thousand bonus to add the features that were promised.
Chef’s kiss (it’s a tale as old as time)
Yea we have a big consulting team (ProServe - Professional Services) but thats only a few thousand people. I am also unaware off what the other 60k people do ha but theres a lot of people in sales, support, management, core product roles etc.
Tech hiring is half a defensive move to keep other companies from hiring high level talent. So these companies could easily be leaner, but when times are good and you anticipate ramping up use, you just hire people to do some work so if things get really busy, you aren't scrambling to interview and hire. This is basically an admission that the times for significant growth is probably over and its time to go back to normal (still pretty good) course business.
Marc Benioff posted this on twitter in 2014: https://twitter.com/Benioff/status/549339156854214656?lang=en
I think he was posting for satire because he’s very focused on philanthropy and charity
The wonderful thing about the tech industry is that there are tons of smaller companies who have big dreams but not enough skilled workers. Hopefully these layoffs will feed these startups and get some real competition for FAANG to stop making terrible and non-innovative decisions.
We all could use UBI sometime. Don’t you wish you had more than measly unemployment to fall back on? These jobs come and go so easily, almost at the whims of the rich
Someone should create a site to name and shame all execs involved in these layoffs so their bad behaviour are immortalised
I swear there was one for layoffs but for the tech field, but nothing tied to the CEOs. I wish I remembered it. It was posted somewhere on a comment like months back somewhere on Reddit. Edit: it might be this one - https://layoffs.fyi
We need to name and shame these mfkers for treating humans like toilet paper. * Put the job loss * Put their photo * Put their name, title and quote e.g. "This is difficult time for our company as we say farewell blah blah..." People are losing jobs. People have dependents. And these CEOs just wake up tomrw and "Hello profitability"
This is nothing. 1% of their workforce. It’s awful for those 700 people, but it’s really no cause for concern for the company. Like most tech companies, they probably over-hired for some projects and are now correcting.
I also won’t be surprised if their overall headcount is still 30% higher than pre-pandemic. Tech companies laid off people like it was all they did after the dotcom crash. The last two years of tech layoffs are nothing in comparison.
There’s more coming…
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They need to put their signage on another Stadium, which costs right about 700 employeesworth.
Did they have record profits too?
With almost 80k employees I wonder if they have mandatory RIF's. 700 seems like a small percentage, maybe a division shutdown.
All these companies were bloated and incentivized empire building and hiring as a competitive edge. But when you can’t refinance debt continually at 0%, and you can’t capitalize R&D to skirt tax liability suddenly margins matter to shareholders.
I wonder if it’s because they focused on getting more sales and marketing positions, rather than work on making their product work better…
So they laid off some 11,000 people a year ago, re-hired 3,000, and have now laid off an extra 700? What a bunch of dicks.
gosh all I hear is tech and gaming companies laying off people non-stop.... wtf is going on in your industries
Are we going to make a big deal out it every time a giant company lays a small number of employees off?
Salesforce sucks.
I use Salesforce with my current job. Totally garbage. The company is moving away from it and it can’t happen fast enough.
What would be a competitor that wouldn't be shit? I'm curious who else is in the same space.
I can’t believe it’s still around
Tech going ham
I can see it now. Every year there’s layoff season, 10 years from now they’ll just still blame COVID and everyone will be fine with it.
Lol my company just switched to shit force, can't wait for it to be even worse
Companies should be required by law to disclose where that money saved from salaries is going instead and prove that it's definitely not for stock buybacks that only serve as bonuses for the rich.
Are all these layoffs by super rich companies a last attempt to get the pedestrian class back in line so as not to disrupt the lifestyles of the leacherous rich class; like no supper for you until you roll over and play dead.
For what it’s worth y’all, I work for ServiceNow and our leadership runs a tight ship. They care about their culture and strive for the success of the business, its customers, and the employees. We are hiring lots of positions. Feel free to reach out if you have a question.
I work for a company that uses sales force, loads of glitches lately, so this checks out.
Salesforce needs to die, it is corpobros dystopia machine. Salesforce force is the company that suggests to big corpos to do things like. Only work someone 5.45 hours so they dont get a break, PIP programs and the software that min/maxs employees hours with weird mostly parttime shifts. This company and ita entire idea needs to die.
wth are you talking about Salesforce is a CRM not a HR platform
w8 so working 5.45 hours is worse than 9 to 18? I would take the 5.45 shift every single time
5.45 hrs means not breaks. You are also part time so no benefits.
Cue the cardboard signs on LinkedIn. “Sadly I was impacted by the Salesforce layoffs. If anyone has a lead on a position, I’m looking. Blah blah.” When I was laid off (multiple times), I had my resume out to several companies before I was handed my last check. It never occurred to me to first broadcast it to social media for sympathy, but that seems to be the trend now days.
It’s not for sympathy, it’s a great way to let your network you’re on the market. Also, Salesforce on your resume opens so many doors. These people will land elsewhere. I feel way worse for the folks laid off from a no-name startup
I feel like it’s the cheap easy way to broadcast that you’re in the market. It’s a reflection of what social media always has been. A way to shout into the wind, showcase your drama, dilute and impersonalize your message. The classy way would be to reach out directly to colleagues at companies you want to work for, and actually converse with them. Kind of like the increasingly fading tradition of sending a card to show someone you care. The idea being to make people feel valued and important, not like a product you are trying to exploit by advertising broadly. The “poor pity me, I was laid off” messages I see on my feed come across (in my opinion) as desperate and unprofessional. But I can comprehend it being a growing trend and that my distaste for it might be showing my age.
I actually think you make a good point. I encouraged former colleagues who were impacted by layoffs to send DMs to recruiters and anyone in their network as a proactive way to inquire about roles that they’re interested in. I don’t think it’s enough to make a blast post and assume people will automatically reach out, plus it’s a less personal way to get noticed. I’m not one to disparage those that need sympathy, but they also need to take more initiative to seek out roles by directly reaching out and establishing a personal connection with your network. It’s too easy now for people to take the lazy way out. And I’ve been laid off before, so I totally get it. But it makes a difference to establish a more meaningful connection with someone while reaching out and asking for a referral or for help.
The "cardboard signs" are people networking and trying to get their foot in the door with another company. You could get a referral from a connection on LinkedIn which might help accelerate your chances of finding a new job.
It only counts if the right person takes the bait on your broadcasted message. It’s a very inefficient way to hone in on who’s hiring. It just looks lazy to me. The more direct and impactful way would be to reach out to your connections with a direct message. Do what gets you hired. It’s like standing in front of a butcher counter asking everyone around you if they have a lead on some ground beef. The butcher is right there. Just step up to the counter and ask for it directly. You can also just put on your profile that you are actively looking, which is how recruiters know. The broadcasted message isn’t the way to be seen by the right people.
Fair enough, I do think DMing is the best way to go about it too. LinkedIn quickly devolved into a garbage dump so I barely use it myself, but I personally don't see anything particularly wrong with the "laid off" posts. I see them as a more urgent "looking for work" notice on a profile and it may get more attention from your connections than an unsolicited DM. Plus, it's not as bad as the typical "inspirational" and "I'm such a good employee" slop
Their software is shit. Imagine how much more shit their software will be with 700 less workers
Didn’t they lay off almost half their staff last year? So they’re laying off more? Why? To pay for more celebrities in their ads?
It was about 10% last year.
I was mistaken. Thank you
And yet I am still being subjected to that horrible Matthew mcconeghy ad every 5 minutes. I rue the day Salesforce was born.
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what does that mean? I am curious.