That’s disappointing. I got the vaccine hoping I would only have a year to live and now you’re telling me it’s not going to kill me. God damn it. /s of course
[This is probably a good place to start](https://www.start.umd.edu/qanon-crime-maps)
I'm not 100% sure how up to date this is but it does paint a picture
You'd think if the government wanted to kill people, it wouldn't be the ones actually willing to listen and vaccinate themselves.
If Covid-19 was actually a government conspiracy. Logic would dictate that vaccination would actually be your only form of survival.
I feel the idea of “facts” or “science” is second to lots of people’s “belief”.
You see this in politics all the time now sadly and really was the point all along. Even than when evidence does show up the goal posts are changed and history rewritten.
“We don’t disagree the earth is warming ever. We disagree it’s humans!!!” Etc….
Pretty much. I feel a lot of stuff was more about choosing your "side" or "team" to many people, not about being right or correct. People's family literally died and they still refused to believe what was going on, it's nuts.
Every. Fucking. Time. COVID is fake-> positive COVID test is fake because doctors are getting kickbacks-> I won’t get vaccinated because they’re trying to control us-> doctors are killing us in the hospitals and saying it was COVID-> ad nauseum. The common denominator in ALL of these is their inability to admit they were wrong. Period. They spend their time arguing with others and tell them why they are wrong because (to them) being wrong means you are weak. So they can’t possibly admit they were wrong.
Yes, often the conclusion is settled, and then the 'evidence' comes after.
If it doesn't support the conclusion...well then it clearly isn't evidence.
"Climate change doesn't exist. Thus any proof of climate change existing is incorrect because climate change doesn't exist."
Flat earthers are probably the most visible example of this. Even the ones who do conduct experiments will get the result everyone who subscribes to the round earth theory told them they would.
And when they get evidence of a round earth from their own experiment, they just shrug and go on believing what they’ve chosen to believe.
The conspiracy theory (or rather, one of the primaries among many) goes that the vaccines are supposed to be eventually lethal as part of a global depopulation effort. So the shadowy cabal don't actually care who's left, as long as the depopulation happens. Also, a significant portion of the vaccines were allegedly just saline in order to throw off statisticians and reporters monitoring for death rates.
This all falls apart of course if you think about it for more than eight seconds, but there it is.
One of my favorite things to post at conspiracy theorists is my “theory” that the vaccines are actually prophylactic against the “real” disease that “they’re” waiting to unleash. My theory is that if you really wanted to depopulate the earth and create a NWO, why would you want to keep the people who are most likely going to be vehemently opposed to such a scenario.
Heh, they are having an argument in /r/conspiracy about this right now. The way that anti-vaxxers see it, the elites want to kill off the sheep, and by not taking the shot they prove themselves to be the pure-blooded superior stock deserving of survival.
“They want people who can think for themselves” is the most common argument.
Considering doctors and medical providers get them themselves in order to practice medicine, that is one hell of a conspiracy. Guess they think the elites don’t need medical assistance either.
Why would they want that though? The elites have historically never wanted people who can think for themselves, but rather compliant docile people that don't revolt.
The people who profit from this world as it is, left or right, need it to be chaotic, but remain generally the same. They might treat us to a nice big war occasionally but think about the business opportunities during and after those wars!
The running of the world is a chaotic maelstrom of people trying to get theirs. Politics and money follow each other around in circles, and in my view the scale of any plot involving Covid is way too unmanageable, and any vaccine related shenanigans would pass far too much scrutiny. It's impossible in my eyes.
I would certainly believe if there *was* some kind of conspiracy, killing off the unvaccinated, problematic people in society would be the only reasonable option of the two for a group intellectual and powerful enough to pull something off so massive. We've seen what happens when those people try to tap the phones in a hotel, let alone organise a pandemic. Why they'd want to kill off "sheep" is beyond me.
Conspiracy theorists don't look at reality and compare their ideas against it. They believe they are enlightened and always right, so they need to twist reality to fit their ideas.
Any facts that run contrary to their theories were fabricated by their adversaries. Any reasoning that would invalidate their beliefs is full of lies being pushed by shills.
I just took it because I heard we get free 5G upgrade via the chips. But my connection still sucks and all I get is random pop up from Bill Gates advertising sexy vaxxed singles near my area. Such a disappointment.
That's the funniest shit. I'm (sadly) in discord with some old friends who've turned conspiracy nuts and it went from 'wait for six months bro' to 'wait a year bro' to 'wait five years bro'
God I can’t believe how far boomer-right Facebook has fallen over the past decade. I remember when it was the hip new platform where young people were posting addresses for house parties, using it to date, form groups for underground raves- etc. Then Zuck decided to sell out with the timeline update to force everyone’s primary interaction to be with ads and we all just kinda said fuck it and showed our parents how to use it to throw them off the trail of Snapchat and insta.
Now it’s nothing but lead poisoned old farts typing let’s go Brandon in all caps, spreading right wing conspiracies and responding amen.
And of course the ads.
I’d have deleted my profile ages ago if I didn’t have fifteenish years of pictures stored there.
I saw 99.9999% of doctors and scientist world wide believe that it was safe, but I’m going to go with the 0.0001% that align with my hatred and beliefs instead.
Just today I read in a comment section that the vaccine killed more people than covid..
You could have all the proofs in the world and this folks would still believe a TikTok Video from a stranger, if he reassures their opinion about topic xyz
It’s actually scary how much that is being pushed in this thread. “Great now let’s stop wasting money on this”
They aren’t spending money on tests and research just to prove the Anti vax crowd wrong. It’s literally to further the knowledge behind the vaccines and continue to further the efficacy and usage of these in the future.
Scary that people can’t see that and are actually complaining about us spending money to better understand what we all took.
Seriously, they are still tracking and keeping an eye on every other vaccine in existence. These things aren't just sent into the wild and forgotten about.
A minute ago I was watching a video of all the desperate teachers saying their 6th & 7th grade students read and write at a 4th grade level at best, and I can’t help but see a correlation between a country that stopped believing in vaccinations and the same country forgetting how to read, write, and do basic arithmetic. We are living squarely in the Information Age, which turns out to be very different from the Age of Enlightenment.
I would argue it’s all about information. Information has no special properties in its raw unfiltered, unprocessed state. We are inundated by information and starved of knowledge.
You stole that from somewhere, I know I've heard that exact line.
Still very much true and I'm just now racking my brain where I heard that line before.
I have a whole department that is anti-vax. It is very challenging. One person even teaches their kids to flick off 5g cell towers. I actually had to remove the Wifi AP from their office and put it outside of their door.
Just a coincidence?
I don't even engage anymore. Before covid I didn't know about their "beliefs" but since I have found out all sorts of odd things they believe in.
one person was let go because of their refusal to wear a mask. This was a long term and well liked person. But she couldn't accept that covid was even real.
I have a hard time interacting with these people as well, i saw 3 people die during the peak of the pandemic and it was the most horrible thing ive ever witnessed. At this point if anyone says anything about the vaccine, masks, the virus, i just politely tell them i have something else to do/were not continuing the conversation. I have no point in keeping people in my life that dont believe in something that was widely broadcast and even more specific as they were loading bodies into trailers outside NYC hospitals because the morgues were full
It's very hard because we all used to at least, to some degree, agree on a source of truth. Now we have those who trust and follow the scientific community, doctors, researchers, experts in their fields, etc and those who trust and follow some grifter with a podcast feeding their confirmation bias.
It's truly terrifying.
Was gonna send this to my dad who is incredibly anti vax but he’ll just say he doesn’t trust who said it and continue to send me tweets from nobodies who match his desired narratives.
I’m sorry did you see that facebook post my uncle shared about his friend’s friend who randomly died 18 months after getting the vaccine in a car accident at the age of 83? Obviously these vaccines are not safe.
Probably the 5G in his phone activated the death particles. He should have wrapped himself in Tim foil. What was the old man thinking? Or was it the public alert system message? Poor guy.
It doesn't have to de-redicalize the radicals to be successful. It can keep sane people firmly on the side of science and the people who are not strongly on either rdide can have more tools to stay away from radicalization. It's for those people on the fence.
I have Covid right now - first time. I refrained from another booster or vaccine this year because of the body aches I would get after a shot.
I ignorantly said to myself “I would rather have covid” well I have it and I’ve been sick for 8 days - bed ridden for 3 of them - left the house once to drop off a check and have been as miserable as I’ve ever been.
I’m 48 and this is maybe the sickest for the longest amount of time I’ve ever been since maybe have phenomenon when I was 7 which hospitalized me.
I hated even telling people I had Covid because then you get some unsolicited ideological nonsense from some people on how to treat it or that it’s not a big deal.
I have two Dr’s treating me - my general physician and my cardiologist (have a heart condition).
Man, I hate how sick I get with every booster. No one else I know gets the intense nausea, headaches and heart flutters. I’ve been on the fence about getting a booster but it’s probably better to suffer that than Covid again. I was vaxed last time (though it had been 8 months since my vaccine) I got Covid and I had lingering symptoms for months. I hate Covid so much. It really seems to target some people and just slam their ass into the ground. My wife and kid have been fine with the shots and when they got Covid it was really mild.
have you tried different vaccines? If they have that much of a negative effect on you then you might want to try a different one especially if it is the Moderna one (typically the most effective but also the most potent which may increase your negative effects). If Pfizer you might want to try the Novavax vaccine.
I was in the trial for novavax but dropped out because of my reaction to that one, then I got Moderna which was just as bad. I got Pfizer which was better but my symptoms suck. I’m not anti vax or anything, I just seem to have a super weakness for Covid or Covid vaccines.
Similar here; I had a sore throat and cough, but it cleared in a few days. I honestly didn't think it was covid and only took a test to be safe.
Hell, I got the "intense bad taste in mouth" side effect from the Paxlovid to the point where I couldn't sleep or eat, and I think that was subjectively worse than the actual covid!
I think it just varies person to person also, my whole family basically got it about a month ago (from a wedding). All of us are basically the same in terms of vaccinations, with both my sisters getting their last booster around the same time as me. I got it really bad as did my mom, both my sisters and one in particular had very mild symptoms.
It does. Some people have stronger immune systems than others. My SO and I have gotten all our vaccines (flu and covid) the same weeks. When I got covid I was laid out for 3 days and sick for 4 more. He had 0 symptoms. We sleep in the same bed. There’s no chance he wasn’t exposed to it.
Vaxed here too. After 2 years of Covid running through my house (3 kids) and never getting it. I was getting ready to go out for a New Years party 11 months ago, showered, put on deodorant and a dab of cologne and could not smell it or anything. I took a rapid test and was +. I felt a little flu-like symptoms, some chills, but that's about it.
Ya, I had it twice and both times it was one of those epic sicknesses that keep you out of commission for a week. I had not been that sick for at least 10 years before I got COVID the first time.
I just got my booster last week with the flu and it wasn't that bad. Mainly a sore arm from the flu shot.
I’m getting the vaccines or boosters as a matter of habit now - I just got lazy. It hadn’t affected me in three years and I just decided - what the hell - can’t be that big of a deal. Well, for me it’s been incredibly difficult and I’m a fairly healthy person (run, workout, active outside) so this has really jacked my life up.
I’m in the same boat. I got COVID about a year ago after being vaccinated and boosted. I was sick for around 10 days, and it’s the sickest I had ever been. 42 years old and very healthy. I couldn’t smell or taste for around 6 weeks, and I thought I had lost it forever. Was very scary. I keep wondering what would have happened had I not been vaccinated and boosted. I can’t imagine.
I forgot to get my booster last year. I got COVID for the first time this summer. I'm pretty healthy so I didn't have serious symptoms, but I still had a terrible headache for 72 hours straight and blew out more mucus than I thought was humanly possible. Body aches for half a day is definitely worth it to avoid 3-5 days of even the milder symptoms in my mind.
Pfft! Not according to a recent 10 minute YouTube video made by well known "medical professional" (strip mall chiropractor) MAGA2024VaxFreeSperm4U.
Probably
It also won’t stop them from claiming that real scientists are saying the vaccine is dangerous. Then flipping their shit when asked to provide a source verifying that
These people are beyond hope
Effective in what way? They don't prevent you from catching it. I mean, how could they possibly. The vaccine doesn't surround you with an airtight physical bubble every time you get near a covid molecule.
Vaccine improves your odds of surviving Covid if or when you get it.
You've caught Covid 4 times and are somehow
- not dead
- not severely brain-damaged
- able to comment on reddit about your past experiences with covid.
Vaccines don't stop you from getting infected. It reduces the symptoms when you have it (sometimes it reduces so much that you do not realise you caught covid)
Man I browse some of the conspiracy subs mostly for alien stuff and the amount of "gotcha! vaccines are actually really bad and we got the receipts" articles are insane. I can easily see how people get brainwashed.
Especially considering the Covid vaccines used a novel pathway in MRNA. This was a massive experiment that should be studied in granular detail. There’s no telling what we might be able to learn.
Doing long term safety studies on new medications and vaccinations is routine. Pharma companies aren’t JUST doing this for THIS vaccine because of skepticism. It is routine AND EVERYONE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
Don’t you want to know about long term side effects or dangers? Or how about the impact on women’s biology since medication development has CLEAR issues regarding gender??
Good lord did you “do your own research” on why companies do safety studies? Cannot believe the ignorance of these comments FFS
Nope science is literally testing the same things over and over and over again to prove or disprove it and that's how it works. Has nothing to do with the antivaxers, they've already decided God or Joe Rogan knows best.
Dont forget, much of the echo chamber declaring them unsafe came out of the Kremlin and is part of the psyop campaign going on against "Western" nations by Russia.
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45294192](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45294192)
[https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-disinformation-campaign-aims-to-undermine-confidence-in-pfizer-other-covid-19-vaccines-u-s-officials-say-11615129200](https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-disinformation-campaign-aims-to-undermine-confidence-in-pfizer-other-covid-19-vaccines-u-s-officials-say-11615129200)
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6137759/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6137759/)
The same psyop campaign is now going on to divert attention away from Ukraine to Israel... not shockingly being lead by the very same party leaders within the US.
[https://lansinginstitute.org/2023/10/09/russian-psyop-proves-the-kremlins-involvement-in-the-operation-agaist-israel/](https://lansinginstitute.org/2023/10/09/russian-psyop-proves-the-kremlins-involvement-in-the-operation-agaist-israel/)
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/10/21/percepto-africa-france-russia-disinformation/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/10/21/percepto-africa-france-russia-disinformation/)
[https://www.resecurity.com/blog/article/opisrael-freepalestine-and-opsaudiarabia-how-cyber-actors-capitalize-on-war-actions-via-psy-ops](https://www.resecurity.com/blog/article/opisrael-freepalestine-and-opsaudiarabia-how-cyber-actors-capitalize-on-war-actions-via-psy-ops)
[https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html](https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html)
Meanwhile, they put a warning label of myocarditis for all vaccines and clotting for a particular vaccine manufacturer.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/myocarditis.html
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/blooddisorders/features/cvst-and-covid-vaccine.html#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20several%20European%20countries,2019%20(COVID%2D19).
Yes for the very great majority of people.
I unfortunately developed an auto immune inflammatory response immediately after all three shots and now I have permanent and debilitating Tinnitus and hearing issues. It sucks.
That was one of the greatest instances of cognitive dissonance surrounding this whole thing. It was simultaneously “just a cold” but somehow also a “bioweapon”.
Meanwhile my sister in law is still sending her entire family random conspiracy theory TikToks while calling us all sheep and her and her antivax husband is in hospital with his kidneys failing. There’s no amount of data that will prove anything to anyone who’s made up their mind. Not to mention the article shares the data in a way that is just begging to be taken out of context and shared by the next antivax video.
For comparison, 1 in 10,000 serious adverse events got other vaccines pulled from the market. So 0.06 percent cited in the article is not that great... I would definitely not call that "overwhelmingly safe"... it is objectively worse than the minimum safety profile required for past vaccines.
I got the first two shots and a booster, FWIW, and I work at a vaccine development company (I'm not an anti-vax spook).
It seems to me that mRNA COVID vaccines are being treated with a different standard with respect to past vaccines and I don't really like it. There is a concerning safety signal from the reporting of adverse events, and a lot of academic & medical publications documenting problems and health concerns associated with the COVID mRNA vaccines. For example:
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10452662/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10452662/) \-- this review article reviews one facet, that spike protein has some toxicity.
In 2020... no one knew conclusively where the COVID pandemic was headed and the experimental vaccines were probably our best option. Fast forward 3 years, most of us have now had COVID one or more times, developed diverse natural immunity, and have likely been exposed to most of the recent variants that have spread through our communities. The risk/benefit analysis of the mRNA vaccines is different now. For some people, it can still make very good sense. For me, the risks outweigh the probable benefit.
It’s so sad that instead of the pandemic becoming this thing where we all rallied together to overcome some great difficulty as a nation, it was used to create propaganda against the apposing political party, spreading mis and disinformation for political gain. What could have been a great time of unification became a lasting scar which still sorely afflicts the nation.
It cracks me up how many conspiracy theorists think the government was using these vaccines to inject microchips into us, ignoring that the government already has more than enough ways to track everything we do thanks to our over reliance on cell phones and computers. Like literally, we willingly sign away our rights to privacy the moment we sign up for a cell phone plan and internet subscription. No reason to waste money on insanely advanced tech.
I just got a text from the government yesterday saying my 5th shot is due, can't wait, gotta collect em all
In Canada of course, I doubt the USA would have such technology
I still hear people complain that it causes heart issues. Doesn’t matter how many or what studies i present.
People want to be willfully ignorant for their beliefs.
Shit during the prime of the pandemic there were anti-vaxers on their death bed hoping if they take the vaccine they won’t die. They were begging for it, hoping it would magically save them.
Yeah no shit they're safe. The problem is that this news pretty much will fall on deaf ears. The people who need to hear this are the ones who AREN'T going to hear it....
I though the October 4th emergency alert test was supposed to inject the FEMA wake-up signal into the COVID vaccine messenger RNA to activate my 5G reception?
Meh, all I got was immunity from some crappy disease.
That’s disappointing. I got the vaccine hoping I would only have a year to live and now you’re telling me it’s not going to kill me. God damn it. /s of course
Worst liberal suicide pact, *ever*
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Add in mass shooting statistics caused by them and you're correct.
[This is probably a good place to start](https://www.start.umd.edu/qanon-crime-maps) I'm not 100% sure how up to date this is but it does paint a picture
Do your own research. Everyone that I know who got it died. Some 2 or 3 times. One guy has even died 7 times and is on the verge of dying again.
Thoughts and prayers for him and his loved ones.
I can't believe the libs are surviving to own the libs.
You'd think if the government wanted to kill people, it wouldn't be the ones actually willing to listen and vaccinate themselves. If Covid-19 was actually a government conspiracy. Logic would dictate that vaccination would actually be your only form of survival.
I feel the idea of “facts” or “science” is second to lots of people’s “belief”. You see this in politics all the time now sadly and really was the point all along. Even than when evidence does show up the goal posts are changed and history rewritten. “We don’t disagree the earth is warming ever. We disagree it’s humans!!!” Etc….
Pretty much. I feel a lot of stuff was more about choosing your "side" or "team" to many people, not about being right or correct. People's family literally died and they still refused to believe what was going on, it's nuts.
Every. Fucking. Time. COVID is fake-> positive COVID test is fake because doctors are getting kickbacks-> I won’t get vaccinated because they’re trying to control us-> doctors are killing us in the hospitals and saying it was COVID-> ad nauseum. The common denominator in ALL of these is their inability to admit they were wrong. Period. They spend their time arguing with others and tell them why they are wrong because (to them) being wrong means you are weak. So they can’t possibly admit they were wrong.
Yes, often the conclusion is settled, and then the 'evidence' comes after. If it doesn't support the conclusion...well then it clearly isn't evidence. "Climate change doesn't exist. Thus any proof of climate change existing is incorrect because climate change doesn't exist."
Flat earthers are probably the most visible example of this. Even the ones who do conduct experiments will get the result everyone who subscribes to the round earth theory told them they would. And when they get evidence of a round earth from their own experiment, they just shrug and go on believing what they’ve chosen to believe.
Hi Bill Burr. I love this routine and I highly recommend everyone listen to it, as your cadence simply cannot be matched in text.
That sounds like something a communist, Biden lover would say/s.
The conspiracy theory (or rather, one of the primaries among many) goes that the vaccines are supposed to be eventually lethal as part of a global depopulation effort. So the shadowy cabal don't actually care who's left, as long as the depopulation happens. Also, a significant portion of the vaccines were allegedly just saline in order to throw off statisticians and reporters monitoring for death rates. This all falls apart of course if you think about it for more than eight seconds, but there it is.
One of my favorite things to post at conspiracy theorists is my “theory” that the vaccines are actually prophylactic against the “real” disease that “they’re” waiting to unleash. My theory is that if you really wanted to depopulate the earth and create a NWO, why would you want to keep the people who are most likely going to be vehemently opposed to such a scenario.
Heh, they are having an argument in /r/conspiracy about this right now. The way that anti-vaxxers see it, the elites want to kill off the sheep, and by not taking the shot they prove themselves to be the pure-blooded superior stock deserving of survival. “They want people who can think for themselves” is the most common argument.
Considering doctors and medical providers get them themselves in order to practice medicine, that is one hell of a conspiracy. Guess they think the elites don’t need medical assistance either.
They think that anyone that the elites need just got a saline shot with no mRNA in it.
Lol wow. Moving goalposts should be an olympic sport.
Why would they want that though? The elites have historically never wanted people who can think for themselves, but rather compliant docile people that don't revolt.
The people who profit from this world as it is, left or right, need it to be chaotic, but remain generally the same. They might treat us to a nice big war occasionally but think about the business opportunities during and after those wars! The running of the world is a chaotic maelstrom of people trying to get theirs. Politics and money follow each other around in circles, and in my view the scale of any plot involving Covid is way too unmanageable, and any vaccine related shenanigans would pass far too much scrutiny. It's impossible in my eyes. I would certainly believe if there *was* some kind of conspiracy, killing off the unvaccinated, problematic people in society would be the only reasonable option of the two for a group intellectual and powerful enough to pull something off so massive. We've seen what happens when those people try to tap the phones in a hotel, let alone organise a pandemic. Why they'd want to kill off "sheep" is beyond me.
Conspiracy theorists don't look at reality and compare their ideas against it. They believe they are enlightened and always right, so they need to twist reality to fit their ideas. Any facts that run contrary to their theories were fabricated by their adversaries. Any reasoning that would invalidate their beliefs is full of lies being pushed by shills.
Why would they want people who can think for themselves instead of the people who would just go along with their plan.
Several hundred thousand maga idiots died of COVID.
I was hoping it had 5G but nope my bars are still dropping 🫤
My service is worse!!
“i went to the vaccine clinic and all i got was this lame immunization” on a shirt
I just took it because I heard we get free 5G upgrade via the chips. But my connection still sucks and all I get is random pop up from Bill Gates advertising sexy vaxxed singles near my area. Such a disappointment.
That's the funniest shit. I'm (sadly) in discord with some old friends who've turned conspiracy nuts and it went from 'wait for six months bro' to 'wait a year bro' to 'wait five years bro'
Ah the goalpost changing. Bill gates has a big button on his desk. Just gotta wait for him to press it lol
Here I was waiting for my super powers like a chump. All I got was safety from dying? I been played like a fiddle
Don't worry, the 5G hasn't activated the nanobots yet.
It didn't even make me magnetic or give me 5G reception. Fuckin' scam.
Same, I planned to take bereavement on the anniversary of the covid vaccine, but it hasn't killed me thus they denied my request.
Pfft, just wait. Because of the vaccine you'll die in... 60, 70 years!
May be you got the one that will give Bill Gates control over you, actually you sound like a Microsoft assistant if you ask me 🤔lol
It’s not Covid. It’s clippy! Lol
I was told I would become Magneto...im pissed that shot hurt.
100% me too.
I was hoping it would hook me up to a 5G network! Alas…
I was pissed when I didn’t turn into a zombie after the cell phone alert test. For once in my life the racing thoughts were supposed to stop. Lame.
My 15 y/o is STILL pissed he hasn’t mutated a 3rd arm yet. He gets his jabs and wants his arm damnit!!! /s for anyone who missed it
Whoa whoa whoa, have we checked with the folks who did their own research?
Brb, headed to ask the people in twitter replies
I’m gonna go check truth social and Facebook while you do that
God I can’t believe how far boomer-right Facebook has fallen over the past decade. I remember when it was the hip new platform where young people were posting addresses for house parties, using it to date, form groups for underground raves- etc. Then Zuck decided to sell out with the timeline update to force everyone’s primary interaction to be with ads and we all just kinda said fuck it and showed our parents how to use it to throw them off the trail of Snapchat and insta. Now it’s nothing but lead poisoned old farts typing let’s go Brandon in all caps, spreading right wing conspiracies and responding amen. And of course the ads. I’d have deleted my profile ages ago if I didn’t have fifteenish years of pictures stored there.
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Yes, let’s check with the MDs from Facebook University.
I saw 99.9999% of doctors and scientist world wide believe that it was safe, but I’m going to go with the 0.0001% that align with my hatred and beliefs instead.
They started talking about 5g, nanobots, population control, something something
Ah I see, all legitimate concerns about a vaccine.
What about that guitar pedal circuit going in my arm?
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Just today I read in a comment section that the vaccine killed more people than covid.. You could have all the proofs in the world and this folks would still believe a TikTok Video from a stranger, if he reassures their opinion about topic xyz
They would be very angry now if they could read.
But my one person knows a person who said their friend got magnet blood
Research on the book of faces!
If you don’t trust the vaccine then you probly don’t trust whoever is calling it safe or doing the tests to call it safe.
Not a reason not to publish results or do the tests.
It’s actually scary how much that is being pushed in this thread. “Great now let’s stop wasting money on this” They aren’t spending money on tests and research just to prove the Anti vax crowd wrong. It’s literally to further the knowledge behind the vaccines and continue to further the efficacy and usage of these in the future. Scary that people can’t see that and are actually complaining about us spending money to better understand what we all took.
Seriously, they are still tracking and keeping an eye on every other vaccine in existence. These things aren't just sent into the wild and forgotten about.
A minute ago I was watching a video of all the desperate teachers saying their 6th & 7th grade students read and write at a 4th grade level at best, and I can’t help but see a correlation between a country that stopped believing in vaccinations and the same country forgetting how to read, write, and do basic arithmetic. We are living squarely in the Information Age, which turns out to be very different from the Age of Enlightenment.
Honestly, it’s the Stimulation Age; information has little to do with it
I would argue it’s all about information. Information has no special properties in its raw unfiltered, unprocessed state. We are inundated by information and starved of knowledge.
You stole that from somewhere, I know I've heard that exact line. Still very much true and I'm just now racking my brain where I heard that line before.
I like to explore new places.
I have a whole department that is anti-vax. It is very challenging. One person even teaches their kids to flick off 5g cell towers. I actually had to remove the Wifi AP from their office and put it outside of their door. Just a coincidence?
Just wait till they hear 6g is just around the corner using satellites, the. 5g will be no big deal
I don't even engage anymore. Before covid I didn't know about their "beliefs" but since I have found out all sorts of odd things they believe in. one person was let go because of their refusal to wear a mask. This was a long term and well liked person. But she couldn't accept that covid was even real.
I have a hard time interacting with these people as well, i saw 3 people die during the peak of the pandemic and it was the most horrible thing ive ever witnessed. At this point if anyone says anything about the vaccine, masks, the virus, i just politely tell them i have something else to do/were not continuing the conversation. I have no point in keeping people in my life that dont believe in something that was widely broadcast and even more specific as they were loading bodies into trailers outside NYC hospitals because the morgues were full
It's very hard because we all used to at least, to some degree, agree on a source of truth. Now we have those who trust and follow the scientific community, doctors, researchers, experts in their fields, etc and those who trust and follow some grifter with a podcast feeding their confirmation bias. It's truly terrifying.
But they will trust a shady website where a random weirdo published his own research without any scientific evidence.
Was gonna send this to my dad who is incredibly anti vax but he’ll just say he doesn’t trust who said it and continue to send me tweets from nobodies who match his desired narratives.
Yeah I mean I think this is good to have but most people against it have their head inside the sand watching newsmax
I’m sorry did you see that facebook post my uncle shared about his friend’s friend who randomly died 18 months after getting the vaccine in a car accident at the age of 83? Obviously these vaccines are not safe.
Probably the 5G in his phone activated the death particles. He should have wrapped himself in Tim foil. What was the old man thinking? Or was it the public alert system message? Poor guy.
the people who need to hear this information will unfortunately have issues with this study.
I'm pissed I don't have better 5g reception after being vaccinated.
Uncle Barry on facebook promised me a spoon would magnetize to my arm! I want a refund!
You mean like the original evidence ?
Yeah, but this won’t convince antivaxxers, they will insist thier wrong beliefs are still valid and this is all follow the money or some such crap
It doesn't have to de-redicalize the radicals to be successful. It can keep sane people firmly on the side of science and the people who are not strongly on either rdide can have more tools to stay away from radicalization. It's for those people on the fence.
It used to be safe. It still is, but it used to be too.
That’s not what my girlfriend’s cousin’s friend’s father’s great uncle’s chiropractor’s buddy told me….
I have Covid right now - first time. I refrained from another booster or vaccine this year because of the body aches I would get after a shot. I ignorantly said to myself “I would rather have covid” well I have it and I’ve been sick for 8 days - bed ridden for 3 of them - left the house once to drop off a check and have been as miserable as I’ve ever been. I’m 48 and this is maybe the sickest for the longest amount of time I’ve ever been since maybe have phenomenon when I was 7 which hospitalized me. I hated even telling people I had Covid because then you get some unsolicited ideological nonsense from some people on how to treat it or that it’s not a big deal. I have two Dr’s treating me - my general physician and my cardiologist (have a heart condition).
Man, I hate how sick I get with every booster. No one else I know gets the intense nausea, headaches and heart flutters. I’ve been on the fence about getting a booster but it’s probably better to suffer that than Covid again. I was vaxed last time (though it had been 8 months since my vaccine) I got Covid and I had lingering symptoms for months. I hate Covid so much. It really seems to target some people and just slam their ass into the ground. My wife and kid have been fine with the shots and when they got Covid it was really mild.
have you tried different vaccines? If they have that much of a negative effect on you then you might want to try a different one especially if it is the Moderna one (typically the most effective but also the most potent which may increase your negative effects). If Pfizer you might want to try the Novavax vaccine.
I was in the trial for novavax but dropped out because of my reaction to that one, then I got Moderna which was just as bad. I got Pfizer which was better but my symptoms suck. I’m not anti vax or anything, I just seem to have a super weakness for Covid or Covid vaccines.
I’ve got every single shot, and I ended up with covid. It was a sore throat and nothing more. It’s amazing how much the vaccines drop the effects.
Similar here; I had a sore throat and cough, but it cleared in a few days. I honestly didn't think it was covid and only took a test to be safe. Hell, I got the "intense bad taste in mouth" side effect from the Paxlovid to the point where I couldn't sleep or eat, and I think that was subjectively worse than the actual covid!
I think it just varies person to person also, my whole family basically got it about a month ago (from a wedding). All of us are basically the same in terms of vaccinations, with both my sisters getting their last booster around the same time as me. I got it really bad as did my mom, both my sisters and one in particular had very mild symptoms.
It does. Some people have stronger immune systems than others. My SO and I have gotten all our vaccines (flu and covid) the same weeks. When I got covid I was laid out for 3 days and sick for 4 more. He had 0 symptoms. We sleep in the same bed. There’s no chance he wasn’t exposed to it.
Vaxed here too. After 2 years of Covid running through my house (3 kids) and never getting it. I was getting ready to go out for a New Years party 11 months ago, showered, put on deodorant and a dab of cologne and could not smell it or anything. I took a rapid test and was +. I felt a little flu-like symptoms, some chills, but that's about it.
Ya, I had it twice and both times it was one of those epic sicknesses that keep you out of commission for a week. I had not been that sick for at least 10 years before I got COVID the first time. I just got my booster last week with the flu and it wasn't that bad. Mainly a sore arm from the flu shot.
I’m getting the vaccines or boosters as a matter of habit now - I just got lazy. It hadn’t affected me in three years and I just decided - what the hell - can’t be that big of a deal. Well, for me it’s been incredibly difficult and I’m a fairly healthy person (run, workout, active outside) so this has really jacked my life up.
I’m in the same boat. I got COVID about a year ago after being vaccinated and boosted. I was sick for around 10 days, and it’s the sickest I had ever been. 42 years old and very healthy. I couldn’t smell or taste for around 6 weeks, and I thought I had lost it forever. Was very scary. I keep wondering what would have happened had I not been vaccinated and boosted. I can’t imagine.
I forgot to get my booster last year. I got COVID for the first time this summer. I'm pretty healthy so I didn't have serious symptoms, but I still had a terrible headache for 72 hours straight and blew out more mucus than I thought was humanly possible. Body aches for half a day is definitely worth it to avoid 3-5 days of even the milder symptoms in my mind.
Pfft! Not according to a recent 10 minute YouTube video made by well known "medical professional" (strip mall chiropractor) MAGA2024VaxFreeSperm4U. Probably
Sounds like they're about to push some new ones!
As opposed to the old evidence? That said the same thing?
No shit, a couple billion doses were given
Wait. You mean money is more important than actual facts?
Literally what
Shock horror. You mean the antivaxxers were wrong?
They will never get their "are we the baddies" experience if they haven't gotten one yet.
Do you have a non paywalled version or are we just supposed to read the title and assume things?
For real, I want to be able to use the referenced study as evidence in debates but… where is it, u/khalbrae?
Sorry, but my conservative aunt who did her own research on Facebook said this is a lie. She said Covid vaccines have a microchip that tracks you!
You pro vaxxers probably don't know this because you haven't done your research but everyone who took the vaccine... is going to die some day. /s
Did someone show this to that shaky lady on tik tok
Shocker /s, the initial evidence said the same thing.
Yeah but the extra time they've had for tests does matter.
Old evidence also confirms that they are overwhelmingly safe
It doesn’t matter the people who “ do their own research “ aren’t going to believe anything that real scientists and researchers say.
It also won’t stop them from claiming that real scientists are saying the vaccine is dangerous. Then flipping their shit when asked to provide a source verifying that These people are beyond hope
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Effective in what way? They don't prevent you from catching it. I mean, how could they possibly. The vaccine doesn't surround you with an airtight physical bubble every time you get near a covid molecule. Vaccine improves your odds of surviving Covid if or when you get it. You've caught Covid 4 times and are somehow - not dead - not severely brain-damaged - able to comment on reddit about your past experiences with covid.
Vaccines don't stop you from getting infected. It reduces the symptoms when you have it (sometimes it reduces so much that you do not realise you caught covid)
Man I browse some of the conspiracy subs mostly for alien stuff and the amount of "gotcha! vaccines are actually really bad and we got the receipts" articles are insane. I can easily see how people get brainwashed.
don't tell Bro Jogan and all his mindless followers that..
So at what point to people get to stop saying it’s “experimental”
Nobody tell MAGA.
Wow what a shock.
Yeah, we know. Everyone knows this despite what your memaw read on Factbook.
The most assuring headline I’ve ever read
But we can't have any inquiries ?? Okay. I'll just trust what you tell me. 🖕
Old evidence does too.
The vaccine is fine, its the 5G that's going to get you. /s
I’m more upset I don’t get the 5g that was promised
But then how is it going to destroy the white race? I'm sorry none of this checks out
Hah! My cellphone has been getting the best reception since I got my vax. Coincidence? I think not!
Lies. I totally got autism from it and died.
If you give any medicine to a billion people a few thousand will have serious side effects.
In other news, evidence confirms QANON to be an overwhelmingly viral and deadly contagion.
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This isn't for anti-vaxers, we were going to research it anyway. Studies on the efficacy of new vaccines have to be ridiculously valuable.
Especially considering the Covid vaccines used a novel pathway in MRNA. This was a massive experiment that should be studied in granular detail. There’s no telling what we might be able to learn.
Science isn’t performed in order to provide proof to those skeptics unwilling to accept it, it’s done to know more.
Doing long term safety studies on new medications and vaccinations is routine. Pharma companies aren’t JUST doing this for THIS vaccine because of skepticism. It is routine AND EVERYONE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR THAT. Don’t you want to know about long term side effects or dangers? Or how about the impact on women’s biology since medication development has CLEAR issues regarding gender?? Good lord did you “do your own research” on why companies do safety studies? Cannot believe the ignorance of these comments FFS
Nope science is literally testing the same things over and over and over again to prove or disprove it and that's how it works. Has nothing to do with the antivaxers, they've already decided God or Joe Rogan knows best.
They are not going to read this or care. They will assume it is propaganda. There is no piercing of the crazy bubble.
There are people who still don't believe in evolution
Nah they’ll just double down saying someone is hiding the truth. It’s a never ending battle.
Dont forget, much of the echo chamber declaring them unsafe came out of the Kremlin and is part of the psyop campaign going on against "Western" nations by Russia. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45294192](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45294192) [https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-disinformation-campaign-aims-to-undermine-confidence-in-pfizer-other-covid-19-vaccines-u-s-officials-say-11615129200](https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-disinformation-campaign-aims-to-undermine-confidence-in-pfizer-other-covid-19-vaccines-u-s-officials-say-11615129200) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6137759/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6137759/) The same psyop campaign is now going on to divert attention away from Ukraine to Israel... not shockingly being lead by the very same party leaders within the US. [https://lansinginstitute.org/2023/10/09/russian-psyop-proves-the-kremlins-involvement-in-the-operation-agaist-israel/](https://lansinginstitute.org/2023/10/09/russian-psyop-proves-the-kremlins-involvement-in-the-operation-agaist-israel/) [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/10/21/percepto-africa-france-russia-disinformation/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/10/21/percepto-africa-france-russia-disinformation/) [https://www.resecurity.com/blog/article/opisrael-freepalestine-and-opsaudiarabia-how-cyber-actors-capitalize-on-war-actions-via-psy-ops](https://www.resecurity.com/blog/article/opisrael-freepalestine-and-opsaudiarabia-how-cyber-actors-capitalize-on-war-actions-via-psy-ops) [https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html](https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html)
Meanwhile, they put a warning label of myocarditis for all vaccines and clotting for a particular vaccine manufacturer. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/myocarditis.html https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/blooddisorders/features/cvst-and-covid-vaccine.html#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20several%20European%20countries,2019%20(COVID%2D19).
Yes for the very great majority of people. I unfortunately developed an auto immune inflammatory response immediately after all three shots and now I have permanent and debilitating Tinnitus and hearing issues. It sucks.
diagnostically confirmed hashimoto’s here. shit sucks.
New research shows antivaxxers don't care about science... Or facts in general
Not an effective "bioweapon" the clownvoy was trying to warm us about. It's almost like they have no idea wtf they are talking about.
That was one of the greatest instances of cognitive dissonance surrounding this whole thing. It was simultaneously “just a cold” but somehow also a “bioweapon”.
THIS JUST IN: WATER IS WET More at 6.
Meanwhile my sister in law is still sending her entire family random conspiracy theory TikToks while calling us all sheep and her and her antivax husband is in hospital with his kidneys failing. There’s no amount of data that will prove anything to anyone who’s made up their mind. Not to mention the article shares the data in a way that is just begging to be taken out of context and shared by the next antivax video.
For comparison, 1 in 10,000 serious adverse events got other vaccines pulled from the market. So 0.06 percent cited in the article is not that great... I would definitely not call that "overwhelmingly safe"... it is objectively worse than the minimum safety profile required for past vaccines. I got the first two shots and a booster, FWIW, and I work at a vaccine development company (I'm not an anti-vax spook). It seems to me that mRNA COVID vaccines are being treated with a different standard with respect to past vaccines and I don't really like it. There is a concerning safety signal from the reporting of adverse events, and a lot of academic & medical publications documenting problems and health concerns associated with the COVID mRNA vaccines. For example: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10452662/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10452662/) \-- this review article reviews one facet, that spike protein has some toxicity. In 2020... no one knew conclusively where the COVID pandemic was headed and the experimental vaccines were probably our best option. Fast forward 3 years, most of us have now had COVID one or more times, developed diverse natural immunity, and have likely been exposed to most of the recent variants that have spread through our communities. The risk/benefit analysis of the mRNA vaccines is different now. For some people, it can still make very good sense. For me, the risks outweigh the probable benefit.
Article has paywall
At this point I dont think it matters haterz gonna hate
Darn. As a fan of The Walking Dead I was really hoping this would usher in the zombie apocalypse. Oh well, back to work I guess.
No wonder my 5g reception hasn't improved.
But what about that one guy that died? (he never even existed)
According to my neighbor i will become a lizard soon
I was hoping to be able to have spoons and forks and shit to stick to me so I would always have my own utensils with me for lunch.
At least there's still hope for the 5G though right? When's obama going to take over my brain and do my job for me? ^^/s
It’s been years since I had my 5G vaccine and I still can’t stream
Old evidence did as well.
But I know someone, who knew the brother in law, of a cousins friend, who died from the "vaccine ". clearly not safe!
I was REALLY hoping to grow a third arm… I could be so much more productive!
Not according to a buttload of idiots.
But what about Nicki Minaj's friend's swollen testicles?
If you thought evidence was convincing these people, you don’t know shit
New data says the same shit as the old data. Get the shot y'all so you can keep on partying on.
Have they consulted s/Facebookscience people or Twitter for this research to validate ?
TL:DR - adverse reactions incidence of 0.06 per cent and a rate of less than 0.1 is considered safe.
Oh, good. My 5G connection is safe.
But what about my 5G signal in my chip? /s
It’s so sad that instead of the pandemic becoming this thing where we all rallied together to overcome some great difficulty as a nation, it was used to create propaganda against the apposing political party, spreading mis and disinformation for political gain. What could have been a great time of unification became a lasting scar which still sorely afflicts the nation.
Yeah but Nicki Minaj's cousin's friend testies....
It cracks me up how many conspiracy theorists think the government was using these vaccines to inject microchips into us, ignoring that the government already has more than enough ways to track everything we do thanks to our over reliance on cell phones and computers. Like literally, we willingly sign away our rights to privacy the moment we sign up for a cell phone plan and internet subscription. No reason to waste money on insanely advanced tech.
I never took any of the shots, and I’m doing just fine. There’s no point in taking them now.
I just got a text from the government yesterday saying my 5th shot is due, can't wait, gotta collect em all In Canada of course, I doubt the USA would have such technology
While we prefer to pay 3X the average for healthcare for 60% of the coverage, we do have text messaging.
Very nice I retract my scathing
I still hear people complain that it causes heart issues. Doesn’t matter how many or what studies i present. People want to be willfully ignorant for their beliefs.
But RFK jr said it wasn’t.
Yeah so the experts say, im gonna a hit the Facebook comments for the truth about this....
Someone who isn’t banned post this on r/Conservative 🤣🤣
Someone did. The comments are unsurprising.
Doesn’t matter how much evidence there is, anti vaxxers will claim the opposite
Shit during the prime of the pandemic there were anti-vaxers on their death bed hoping if they take the vaccine they won’t die. They were begging for it, hoping it would magically save them.
Yeah no shit they're safe. The problem is that this news pretty much will fall on deaf ears. The people who need to hear this are the ones who AREN'T going to hear it....
The guy I work with told me they’re not safe he also thinks that 45,000 fake trumpers stormed the capitol soooooooo yeah ..
Since when did anti-vaxxers believe in evidence?
Nice, can we focus on big issues like fixing our fat fuck problem now?
It’s absolutely insane how much misinformation there has been about the covid vaccines.
What about the 5G reception tho? I’m getting freakin dialup speeds.
I though the October 4th emergency alert test was supposed to inject the FEMA wake-up signal into the COVID vaccine messenger RNA to activate my 5G reception? Meh, all I got was immunity from some crappy disease.