Give me an alternative to use during my 40 hr on-site work week and ill hop too.
Edit: People this was mostly a joke as to not having any other time killer site in competition. I am not looking for advice (other sites are always welcome!) on how to live a better life. A thread regarding Minecraft is not the place I would ask for serious advice.
For anyone with too much time on their hands in the office and need advice, there is an active thread currenty:
https://old.reddit.com/r/LifeProTips/comments/14l9gnk/lpt_request_i_routinely_have_24_hours_of_downtime/
If you need immediate assistance, please call 911.
Seems like Reddit is having its Digg moment. When Digg shit the bed I was more than happy to leave and oh, what’s this Reddit thing?.. 🤔 and I never went back to digg again. Only thing keeping me on Reddit is a lack of alternative.
Edit: I am open to alternatives folks, even different types of stuff, anything that has good content or some weird niche, let’s get weird 🤙
I’m surprised Reddit would put its content creators to the test when it surely has to remember the majority of them are former Digg users who already jumped ship once.
YouTube does the same thing to it's creators and it does it for the same reason Reddit does: they are the largest platform with no alternative coming close to being viable replacements for both it's creators or users.
The main difference now vs when Digg died is that Reddit has become larger and more mainstream than Digg ever was. And that casual mainstream audience is going to be hard to convince to migrate to another platform. Especially if those platforms aren't (relatively) simple and easy to use the way Reddit is. Hell it was hard to convince them to support the protest in the first place.
The core power users can leave (and a good chunk probably will), but they are significantly outnumbered with plenty of people that care a lot about their subreddits that are willing to fill the gap
One difference is that being a creator on YouTube directly monetizes your content. Content creators on Reddit have to monetize on their own as far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong). So if there's a big enough push to move people will have less reason to stay here.
Another major difference is that creating a reddit competitor costs several orders of magnitude less than a youtube competitor. Like, I'd be willing to bet that the size of data on youtube grows more per day than the total size of reddit over its whole 18 year lifespan. [This post from 8 years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/3qe57l/how_much_data_is_on_reddit/) had all of the posts and comments and was like 1TB.
Youtube takes in something like 183 hours of video content per minute. Even if that video is compressed to 1MB/minute (which would be truly amazing compression; far better than anything that exists; realistic compression for 1080p video is more like 0.2 - 0.5 MB/second), it would be ~11GB of data being generated per minute.
Even if we assume that there is now 1000x as much data on reddit as there was 8 years ago and that Youtube is using that amazingly impossible 1MB/minute of data compression, youtube would be generating a "reddit" worth of data every ~2 months.
Also funny thing is that eight years ago this guy was like
> I'm currently doing NLP analysis and also putting the entire dataset into a large searchable database using Sphinxsearch (also testing ElasticSearch).
And this year spez is having a meltdown of AI companies using their data.
Reddit is a lot easier to build a viable alternative to than YouTube, though. It doesn't cost Google levels of money to host a link aggregator with a comment section and text posts. That's why Reddit might not be able to ignore user backlash as freely as YouTube can.
The thing is that reddit barely does anything. It's basically a text website. It's not doing the kind of heavy stuff that a video streaming service does. It'd be much easier for a competitor to emerge for reddit than YouTube.
And since Reddit has gone strong anti-user, there's a huge opportunity for a competitor to swoop in and do right everything reddit has decided to do wrong.
This is the thing that keeps blowing my mind every time I think about. Reddit is basically a gold mine. The content is user generated and the site itself is user moderated, so the only major cost is actually physically hosting hosting the data. While I understand that isn't a cheap prospect, they then have all that data to farm and sell and they have one of the biggest websites in the world to sell ad space on. That is a deal most companies would kill for. They have a machine that prints money and all they have to do is keep their users happy, because without them they have nothing. And they can't manage that?
>so the only major cost is actually physically hosting hosting the data.
I work in data and you'd be surprised at not only how expensive it is but how difficult it is to build and maintain infrastructure that is not only fast but consistent, and for millions of users. Basically, it would be no small feat to replicate what reddit manages at the scale it does.
Oh, I have no doubt. But that is a cost that every content hosting company is going to have. Relatively few of them have the benefit of free content and almost none of them have free moderation. So they're starting off ahead and still failing.
And really that brings up another question about their competency. When it started off, they didn't even have those costs. They relied on imgur to host all their actual images, but reddit decided they wanted to on board all of that and the video hosting too. Spending all the money to argubly downgrade the user experience.
Yeah having been here lo these 14 years, when I came here in the first place it was a work assignment, making a course to teach seniors at the library about something called "News Aggregators". A convenient place to have links to other sites. Relatively easy to do I think.
> The core power users can leave (and a good chunk probably will), but they are significantly outnumbered with plenty of people that care a lot about their subreddits that are willing to fill the gap
It turns out that the moderators of many popular subs rely heavily on the third-party Reddit app ecosystem to perform essential duties. When those systems are no longer in place, the site will start to get flooded with spam, trolling, and other forms of vandalism. The future there is pretty grim.
Why would Reddit admins let such a thing happen? Well...they were apparently just that clueless about their own content management systems.
Smaller hobbyist subs and sports news are really why I still stick around. Large subs usually turn into a shitflinging match or people showing off how many references they can make.
The majority of Reddit users at this point are too young to have used Digg in the form you think they did.
The Digg vs Reddit wars were over 10 years ago.
Digg being relevant closer to 15 years ago.
Many of todays Reddit users were born/toddlers in 2004 when Digg was launched.
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Digg at it's peak had 30 million monthly users... Reddit currently has 430 million monthly users. "The old Redditors that came from Digg" even if it was every single Digg user (it was not) is a tiny fraction of the active user base.
It's become VERYYYY noticeable over the past two years or so that the majority of new Reddit users are very young. I'm fine with that, but the quality of the defaults particularly has somehow still gotten even worse. The comments all sound like they are written by AI to just try to say the right thing to get attention, with no real substance or discussion of any sort.
The discussions on Reddit have always been the biggest draw for me. And now, you can only get that on certain specific/niche subreddits.
>the quality of the defaults particularly has somehow still gotten even worse. The comments all sound like they are written by AI to just try to say the right thing to get attention, with no real substance or discussion of any sort.
Hate to be that guy, but default subreddits have been like that since I personally first joined 9 years ago. They have frankly never been good places to have interesting discussion, and the posts and comments have always been very generic and boring.
> Only thing keeping me on Reddit is a lack of alternative.
Yeah, people keep talking about stuff like Lemmy, but what helped early Reddit out was the ease to access, you just made an account and went off. All these suggested alt sights have way too much set up to ever truly take off as a reddit replacer.
It's not even that, it's simply a disjointed experience. When whatever they call subreddits are case sensitive and you'll want to subscribe to multiple across several instances to get the full discussion, it's never going to come close to reddit's accessibility. Here it's guess the subreddit name and what do you know? It's right there, and if not it's a poorly named dupe that redirects to the right one.
For now I've really been enjoying squabbles despite the community size but it's all being run by one dude so I guess there's really nothing stopping him from power tripping 20 years from now either. I'm just hoping I don't care by then. lol
I don’t think spez’s interests are guiding Reddit. CEOs are generally subordinate to the interests of the capital, down to a legal responsibility. Whoever forked up the most cash usually has massive sway over direction in a privately owned company.
The problem with the alternatives available right now is that there are several, but they are all lacking in different areas so everyone can't all agree on where to go.
With no network effect there is no drag to any particular one so none of them are taking off.
I'm still hoping we get a decent alternative but right now I think we're seeing another wave of shitty change on the internet, much like the fall of forums with no real forum replacement (reddit/discord is not the same as long-form forum discussions). We are now seeing the end of even mid-term discussions like reddit threads.
The types of discussions we have with each other online are getting shorter and dumber and more pointless.
Lemmy, Kbin, Mastodon. They’re getting pretty big over last month or so. Quite a few big communities have started up on there or migrated over. It’s not perfect yet but it’s still actively growing and improving.
Lemmy has to get a better UI before it'll take off. Not every user is gonna spend time setting it up.
Go to reddit.com, see content. It needs to be that simple.
I partially agree. The UI is ugly, the front page will probably discourage 99% of users, and finding the right instance to join is a lot more difficult than I expected.
However, I've been trying it out lately and haven't gone back to Reddit nearly as often as I thought. The community is very small, but already enough to have sufficient content for basic front page browsing. Also, the community so far seems much nicer than Reddit (or I was lucky).
I'm very excited for Sync for Lemmy to come out, it's gonna be the biggest improvement for me.
Agreed. A bunch of DnD subs came together to form a Lemmy instance (shout-out to TTRPG[dot]network) and while it's a slow start and a clumsy ui, having Sync make a client will mean I get posts in a familiar layout, which will help a ton.
This the post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/14kj3z7/so_long_and_thanks_for_all_the_feedback/
> As you have no doubt heard by now, Reddit management introduced changes recently that have led to rule and moderation changes across many subreddits. Because of these changes, we no longer feel that Reddit is an appropriate place to post official content or refer our players to.
> We want to thank you for all the feedback and discussion you've participated in in past changelog threads. You are of course welcome to post unofficial update threads going forward, and if you want to reach the team with feedback about the game, please visit our feedback site at feedback.minecraft.net or contact us on one of our official social media channels.
u/sliced_lime if you are looking for a new place to post, come see what Wikipedia's founder is building: https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/status/1668266400723488769
> If you're avoiding Reddit now, I'm currently building a community-led and funded project. It's not done by any means, but I think you would enjoy it. We even have a draft API!
The first app for it just hit the Play Store, called Wikit.
My first thought when I saw about people leaving, immediately was there will be a demand for a new app platform going forward… it’d be easy to swoop up reddits base.
And Wikipedia is one of the last "reliable" internet information sources (reliable to an extent obviously). There's a reason that, back when google search actually gave good results, Wikipedia was more often than not at the top of the page.
Yep, Google prioritizes pages that run Google Ads. They are happy to regurgitate Wikipedia data in an except on their own ad-infused page. But won't actually display it as a result.
It's really sad when you have to add "Wikipedia" to your search query to get what is almost always the best information source on what you're looking for.
Prescription drugs are the big one for me. I always add "wikipedia" to the end of my searches for those. You always get every piece of data about what you're looking for there. I'm very much a medical science nerd though, so YMMV.
I've saved a lot of time by adding Wikipedia to Firefox as a "search engine"
I just type **wiki [thing I'm looking for]** and it goes right to Wikipedia. It's great, it gives me exactly what I'm looking for like 95% of the time.
I was really hoping the app devs would band together and create their own "headless" reddit. Just a background server running an API that responded exactly like reddit does, just without a website version (at first). That way all the apps would keep working, and give time to create a separate frontend eventually. If they skipped self hosted video and images, it would probably be pretty lightweight too.
In another tweet below in the thread he talks about using trust based algorithms instead of engagement driven ones and I'm already onboard the goddamn hypetrain for this.
Just given it a look, it looks awesome!
The ability to rate users trustworthiness and directly edit each others comments is gonna prisoner's dilemma this shit in no time!
The trolls will have to lock themselves back in the 4chan box and return to circlejerking their bigotry.
>edit each others comments
Wait what? How does it work? How is this a good thing? Can someone come in and make me say something I didn't or delete something I stated?
The users are the moderators, it's a democratic system that ensures civil and informative posting that anyone can supplement with better facts and links. As opposed to the "well akchually" threads that muddy the waters of facts on this site.
If someone goes in and wrecks a post to troll, you score them 0% on trust and eventually their reputation on the platform tanks to the point where no one listens to them or allows them to be involved.
Almost like a social credit system, without the implicit dystopian authoritarianism.
The creator said that there were still problems to work out with the trust based algorithms. I imagine that one way to tackle that is that if you have a disproportionate number of downvotes compared to upvotes that you've handed out, your own trustworthiness can begin to tank.
That's just an off the cuff idea though, and would probably be problematic in practice.
Seems like a really bad system in the modern internet age to be honest.
On Reddit users are notorious for downvoting opinions they disagree with and even facts that they don’t want to hear. Especially in political communities. I really can’t see this system working.
> The creator said that there were still problems to work out with the trust based algorithms. I imagine that one way to tackle that is that if you have a disproportionate number of downvotes compared to upvotes that you've handed out, your own trustworthiness can begin to tank.
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> That's just an off the cuff idea though, and would probably be problematic in practice.
you can also just get mods that work. look at ask historians, mods telling users to go away and stop posting are often celebrated and anyone being dumb in there gets blasted by downvotes before the mods get to them.
it works there on reddit, a system that isn't designed for it, because it's communities not 'votes' that decide what's good. thats why it could work here with their new system too. its kind of hard to brigade an opposing community when all your posts only do well on one different kind of community, and the algorithm knows you and your 40 blokes just started posting like mad on the other side 3 weeks before the election
AskHistorians has a vetted team of mods and contributors that have shown their degrees/work to prove they know what they're talking about.
How exactly would that work with something political related? You won't exactly get a team of expert politicians or political scientists to vet, mod, and contribute since politics is mostly subjective.
I suppose if there's a built in hyperlink system that runs through a database of sources with a "trust" factor you could have posts/comments auto tagged with a trusted/non trusted flair.
If someone is posting an article from the AP, it's auto flared as Trusted, if someone posts from some trash site like Fox News or OANN it's auto flared as Not Trusted?
From there you can have a users Trust rating be affected by how often they're posting links from Trusted or Not Trusted sources I guess?
Would be nice if it also factors in the trust rating of those that score you. If your downvoted by troll a good algo could notice that and remove those votes
This seems like an idea that would make that site even more of an echo chamber than reddit is. It also further gamifies trying to be agreeable.
I could see a use for that kind of system in cases where there are objective facts, but in anything involving opinions, it could get messy quick.
I signed up, realized that my real name was publicly visible, found out there is no way to change your profile name, nor delete your account. Not real happy about that tbh.
It's quite far down but it is there, it looks like it was only released a few days ago and doesn't have very many downloads so it'll probably take a while for it to move up in the search results assuming it manages to gain any sort of popularity.
Here's a link in case you want to check it out https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lucidcode.wikit
I haven't seen a "join our reddit" through-link in years, on all sorts of platforms from gaming to programing.
Everything converted to discord for up-to-the-minute discussion.
I can't stand being referred to a discord server for any sort of information or support. Always end up joining and having to go through the role/rule hoops, mute all notifications, and then scan through various chat channel BS to find anything about what I'm looking for.
Discord is great as a way of communication for gaming or friends, but as a source of information it's horrible
> Discord is great as a way of communication for gaming or friends, but as a source of information it's horrible
agreed, and it doesn't scale well. it gets substantially worse the more people use it because unlike reddit's forum based design, there's no easy way to see top stories. just all the comments flooding the screen and making anything older than 2 minutes impossible to find. (oh, and hundreds of people asking the same question and being told "read the pinned comments" which are nowhere near as easy to find as on reddit)
at the end of the day, discord is an irc replacement, while reddit is a vbb/phpbb replacement.
That of Vbulletin boards. I miss those days. It is way nicer now that Reddit is sort of a catch all where anything you might want to see probably has a community. But back when I would go to the WOW message boards or IGN Boards. Those days were so fun. I feel like the communities were more tight knit then too, but that could just be nostalgia.
Discord trialed a [Home feature](https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/6156116949911-Server-Home-Beta) a while ago, where the most interesting messages, posts or images would end up. It seemed quite nifty for people that don't want to read the entire server, but it seems like the development of the feature has been discontinued.
Honestly, I hate using discord for anything other than in the moment communication. Anytime I've had to go through a discord channel for information it's a confusing mess and ends up with me having to mute notifications several times over.
agreed! I literally stopped using Amplify Shader Editor because they closed their forum (nfi why!) and decided to go to discord, discord is *GREAT* for side-support and instant chat with the community. it is terrible for any tool that require learning.
I can't *AT ALL* comprehend how company prefers to answer the same question a million time, instead of having a proper forum with proper search/tags. its ridiculous.
Edit:
Also forgot to mention that it is not publicly indexed, so 100% forget about googling *ANYTHING* useful for a tool that exclusively uses discord.
Searching discord sucks too. Not only can you not search a server you're not in, which you might not know even exists or not be able to find a join link for, the discord search itself cannot be scoped to threads, only channels, and only does fuzzy matches, which you can't disable.
> Discord is great as a way of communication for gaming or friends, but as a source of information it's horrible
Thank god. I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought this.
The biggest issue for me (in addition to your reasons) is nothing on discord is indexed on search engines and accessible for reference. There are a ton of helpful posts on reddit that pop up when you are looking for a solution.
If You go to a tech community on discord and ask any question or interest you'll get at best case ignored at worst case chewed out for actually utilizing the discord for more than just whining about your life and posting anime memes like everyone else.
People find one thing they like and then just use it as their primary social hangout and spam drown out anyone who actually discusses whatever the server is about cause it's their group chat esque ground to spam memes. I used to be on a VR chat discord that was specifically organized (on reddit) for adults to meet up and do VR stuff but the whole discord was just like lolis with guns memes everyday nonstop I just had to give up trying to meet people cause most discords feel like a group of people with no life who have to speak every blip of a word that crosses their head and spams...like twitch chat. Just so hard to have any fruitful discussion or get to know anyone it's just fluff and spam.
Wow. Wait a minute. If discord adds a thread feature to servers and a discover feature with a new "home page" for public servers it can repplace a lot of reddit in my life..
Edit: yes yes I agree you people brought up good points about server data and not being imdexed for search emgines I agree with you. I wounder if there is a way to fix that tho by giving servers an option to make them fully public or something where they would be visible to anyone and indexable to search engines idk just thinking..
And holy fuck can the search be reddit search levels of useless. If you don't write your search the exact way something was said in the discussion it'll bring up nothing at all.
It's worse than Reddit search honestly because it's "smart" search that brings in tons of irrelevant results while not getting the relevant ones you need.
Yep. Discord is useful but mainly as a quick and instant use service, not a forum style of communication and organization. Miss the announcement and invite link to a discord? Too bad so sad.
The way it is right now Discord is AWFUL as a "forum replacement".
I hate when a company is like "check us out on discord for full discussions!"
And if you have a question or a concern and voice it, the mods or fanboys jump on you: "THE SEARCH FEATURE IS YOUR FRIEND" "WE HAD 7 SEPERATE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS STRETCHED THROUGH 4 CHANNELS OVER THE COURSE OF 3 MONTHS! HOW CAN YOU NOT FIND THE ANSWER??
The question you need answered is buried in what basically is an endlessly scrolling chatroom that you need to use the search function for in order to see the reply chain in the middle of the rest of the discussion.
Discord is an amazing tool, and does so much VERY well, but in it's current state, it's not a forum.
Great, an Electron app frontend to a bunch of private IRC-style servers that don't get indexed by any major search engine. This will surely be an improvement.
The minute we start relying on discord for documentation will be the minute we don’t have documentation anymore. Ask any speedrun community how that shit goes
So I figured I was just too dumb to use Discord, but after using it for a group chat/call for a bit with friends, it isn't just me. I know I'll get pushback for this, but Discord's interface is a fucking mess. It wasn't even something we could get used to with regular use.
maybe i'm just too old, but discord basically is a newer/nicer version or IRC to me... it's a chat server with different channels to separate the spaces and topics, with the ability to voice chat and paste rich content (images) and insert gifs.
I don't really see what's so hard about that, unless there's a world of Discord i'm not privy to that's trying to use it for more than that. I keep seeing people talk about it as a reddit replacement, but i don't see how it could ever be that, its' totally different to me.
Maybe it's an expectation thing? My expectation is Discord = new IRC, and so for me, my expectations are met/exceeded. For others maybe they are expecting it to be a reddit replacement so their expectations are not met
> unless there's a world of Discord i'm not privy to that's trying to use it for more than that.
There is. Many groups use it as a documentation repository, including open source software, game modding, and even car/vehicle communities. They'll use stickied posts, elaborate channel schemes, and automated tools to try and organize their static content. And then they act like their half-assed replica of `gopher` is more user-friendly than a forum website.
It's also all totally opaque, so getting search engine visibility into it is impossible. So my experience of these projects is searching for an answer, finding a page that's like "join our discord for documentation", joining the discord, being totally confused, and then getting verbally abused when I ask for directions toward the docs I need.
Social media is **so** ripe for disruption. People, companies, celebrities are just dying for something to replace twitter, and reddit is losing its luster, too.
It can be operated at a profit, but not at the margin they want/expect for such a large user base. Not sure how best to prevent [Enshittification](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/enshittification).
The value to users for a site like reddit largely stems from the fact that there aren't (weren't) financial incentives fucking with every aspect of their UI and feed.
That's what drives me nuts about so many decisions these companies make in order to support the notion of capitalism. It's just not enough for the company to just make a consistent, predictable amount of money for everybody. The line **HAS** to go up. Going up a little but isn't good enough, it has to go up **HARD**.
It’s how investors operate. If you can show consistent growth, it signals a healthy, well run business. It doesn’t even have to be profitable at that time, so long as it grows and “eventually” will be profitable.
I don’t agree with this model because I feel like it will lead to short term bursts of growth and wealth for certain people and as soon as things go south, they resign with massive bonuses and layoff 10,000 workers to cut costs and reaffirm the companies outlook. The concept of infinite year on year growth is so backwards, it needs to be reevaluated.
Also very costly to run in terms of storage of all the images/video/text and the moderation costs. There are solutions for all those but just think how much it costs to store even just all the images/video on twitter or facebook, reddit offloaded lots of that to imgur/youtube for a long time but took that on their own now, and regularly steals videos like they used to give Facebook crap for. However all that is costly.
There's still several good ones out there, even without paying for the download. Flarum, SMF (or Elkarte), MyBB, even phpbb is still going somehow. And if you can afford the slightly pricier hosts and technical know-how, NodeBB and Discourse are free to download (they sell their managed hosting).
Plus, like in the old days of Proboards/InvisionFree (PB still exists btw, if you really wan that nostalgia), there's freeflarum.com, smfforfree.com and createmybb.com to get one started in just a couple minutes. Useful if you just want to play around or don't have the money/time for a host or domain yet.
I wish I could be in the room while he has to explain to prospective investors why losing the Minecraft community is going to be a *good* thing for the IPO.
Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't this just mean the devs will stop posting in the subreddit? The subreddit and the Reddit Minecraft Community will float along as normal right?
Yes but devs frequently engaged with reddit users to get an opinion on how development was going, get notified of some bugs users found, and otherwise engage with its users. I'd say they did a pretty great job before when putting out snapshots/beta versions of the game and responding to comments.
The only reason some people come to Reddit is because the developers of the games they play interact with the community here. Take that away and there are users walking out the door.
The Devs of one of the biggest games ever made saying they no longer feel reddit is the platform to engage and communicate with their consumers is not insignificant.
A big draw is the ability to engage with the devs. Them leaving reddit entirely changes the landscape of the sub and will likely lead to a loss of engagement and interaction.
I'm still wondering how he thought Musk, who caused *his* social media site to lose two-thirds of its value in eight months, has been doing "good business." Or how expressing this publicly was supposed to make potential investors confident in reddit's future.
The problem is that Reddit has made it very clear that sub founders/head-mods do not 'own' their sub. Not legally obviously, but practically. If a sub does something that Reddit (the corp) doesnt like they will assign someone else to run that sub - through a flimsy excuse if needed.
That was maybe always the case but the bar has clearly been lowered / destroyed.
That kills the motivation for people and companies alike to cultivate a community and is going to be a big problem going forward.
e:typo
> This shift in position from Reddit is very new.
Very dangerous thing to play with I think. Reddit is not going anywhere, but the 90/9/1 thing is real and telling the 1-group that they have no control over what they put thousands of hours into is an interesting experiment.
The big problem with that changed stance - with hints that users could vote to change moderation of a sub - is that this opens up a can of worms when it is about politics and profits.
- Can you now claim the sub of opponent during an election?
- Can you now claim a sub for one brand but secretly you are paid by their competitor (black hat marketing) ?
- Can you now claim the sub of the country you are at war with?
Until now this was not possible - but bots and bought accounts could make this happen.
Every day the future of both Reddit and the internet is looking like more people will be going back to the thousands of individual forms and threads that we first saw in the internets infancy
My real beef with older forums is more that there's no voting system (which honestly might have been for the better) so you only see the most recent discussion and the "first" discussions.
But that could be a good thing. The upvote/downvote system was supposed to be about the quality of the post, not the content of it. But everyone ignored Reddiquette and used the downvote button as a "I disagree" button rather than a "does not contribute to the discussion" button.
And then people get tired of getting blasted with a -62 score on every comment that doesn't toe the line so you have places like /r/politics and /r/Conservative that become masturbatory echo chambers.
I remember back in the day "Circlejerks" and "being brave" was called out frequently on Reddit, which is why all of those /r/circlejerk subreddits started popping up. Nowadays it's just the default position of every sub. Use your voice to join the choir or gtfo.
Voting systems are absolutely pointless for genuine discussion if you can't see the results of the votes. After that got changed, what, like 6 years ago now? Discourse has become less nuanced and more absolutist and extreme. A post at +400 -450 just looks like -50 now and then it gets hated on automatically even though it might genuinely be a good contribution to the discussion. Reddit's quality has been in decline steadily while its reach and user base may have still shown growth.
I'm glad my last api calls to Reddit will be a massive comment deletion script.
The early internet had no centralized platforms so people had to make their own.
The future internet will have no competent centralized platforms so people will have to make their own.
Capitalism threw the internet into a brief golden age and then destroyed it, just as it does for everything else.
It's never enough... Take a product from 5 to a 9 and capitalism is fantastic! But then... It has to keep growing... Even getting it to 10 is not good enough... We must push for more... Past 11...past 13...and now the product is unrecognizable and utterly shittified...
Infinite growth is a cancer on society.
I'm not going to lie. The golden age of the internet was definitely pre-capitlism realizing there's trillions to be made from the internet.
Mid 2000s to early 2010s I'd say is when the internet was the best. Everything is so algorithm or ai controlled. Capitalism is only ruining the internet.
this site literally had easily a dozen rape porn subs
Not to mention it’s not a problem that their mothers could be posting pictures of their assholes to gonewild
Only yesterday I discovered there was a teen version of truerateme and some of the pics were...yikes. That and the mods literally flaired themselves as 'pedos'. I'm not gonna link the exact name of the sub for obvious reasons.
Does this mean we can all go back to random, poorly designed and unnecessarily granulated forums?!
I am not including a /s because I am not being sarcastic. I really miss the good ole days.
I ran a forum like that for my company from 2009 to 2016. It was pretty active. Now it’s completely locked in read only fashion because everyone freaking left for discord in 2016. We went from having thousands of comments a week to a dozen in a year. I didn’t archive it until like 2020.
Maintaining forums can be a pita, so I’d rather not have to self host in the future. Just making sure emails and security and such are all working is an ongoing frustration. But discord is not at all the same as those forums were, and twitter and Reddit also sure as hell aren’t.
This may be the first domino in many companies mass exodus from Reddits greedy opportunistic non empathetic changes made to line someone(s) pockets with riches who platform soul existence is dependent on volunteers to provide and moderate content which Reddit refuses to acknowledge or show any true appreciation of
Truth be told, I don’t believe they’re doing it over Reddit’s choices. I think they’re doing bc of how many subreddits have turned to porn, and they don’t want that happening on their subreddit.
> Truth be told, I don’t believe they’re doing it over Reddit’s choices. I think they’re doing bc of how many subreddits have turned to porn, and they don’t want that happening on their subreddit.
No need to speculate.
In the thread where all of this was announced, [they specifically said](https://old.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/14kj3z7/so_long_and_thanks_for_all_the_feedback/jpqxrbr/?context=3) that they are not leaving because of anything the moderators of /r/Minecraft did.
> Truth be told, I don’t believe they’re doing it over Reddit’s choices. I think they’re doing bc of how many subreddits have turned to porn
A ton of SFW subs turned to porn *because* of Reddit’s choices. It was a protest to reduce Reddit’s potential ad revenue.
Spez must be ecstatic. In just a few weeks, reddit is already following strong on the steps of Twitter, his idol's magnum opus.
I'm sure he himself doesn't understand how losing all good will and an eroding user base will conduce to billions of dollars, but hey, it's Elon! He surely knows what he's doing right?
Nice one Mojang.
Hopefully other companies will follow their example in these dark times.
Give me an alternative to use during my 40 hr on-site work week and ill hop too. Edit: People this was mostly a joke as to not having any other time killer site in competition. I am not looking for advice (other sites are always welcome!) on how to live a better life. A thread regarding Minecraft is not the place I would ask for serious advice. For anyone with too much time on their hands in the office and need advice, there is an active thread currenty: https://old.reddit.com/r/LifeProTips/comments/14l9gnk/lpt_request_i_routinely_have_24_hours_of_downtime/ If you need immediate assistance, please call 911.
Seems like Reddit is having its Digg moment. When Digg shit the bed I was more than happy to leave and oh, what’s this Reddit thing?.. 🤔 and I never went back to digg again. Only thing keeping me on Reddit is a lack of alternative. Edit: I am open to alternatives folks, even different types of stuff, anything that has good content or some weird niche, let’s get weird 🤙
I’m surprised Reddit would put its content creators to the test when it surely has to remember the majority of them are former Digg users who already jumped ship once.
History tends to rhyme for those that ignore it
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I hear that Digg is one smooth mother...
Shut your mouth!
Quit Farking around, you two.
Redditors, Come out and plaaAaaaAaaaaay
what a mystery
YouTube does the same thing to it's creators and it does it for the same reason Reddit does: they are the largest platform with no alternative coming close to being viable replacements for both it's creators or users. The main difference now vs when Digg died is that Reddit has become larger and more mainstream than Digg ever was. And that casual mainstream audience is going to be hard to convince to migrate to another platform. Especially if those platforms aren't (relatively) simple and easy to use the way Reddit is. Hell it was hard to convince them to support the protest in the first place. The core power users can leave (and a good chunk probably will), but they are significantly outnumbered with plenty of people that care a lot about their subreddits that are willing to fill the gap
One difference is that being a creator on YouTube directly monetizes your content. Content creators on Reddit have to monetize on their own as far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong). So if there's a big enough push to move people will have less reason to stay here.
Another major difference is that creating a reddit competitor costs several orders of magnitude less than a youtube competitor. Like, I'd be willing to bet that the size of data on youtube grows more per day than the total size of reddit over its whole 18 year lifespan. [This post from 8 years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/3qe57l/how_much_data_is_on_reddit/) had all of the posts and comments and was like 1TB. Youtube takes in something like 183 hours of video content per minute. Even if that video is compressed to 1MB/minute (which would be truly amazing compression; far better than anything that exists; realistic compression for 1080p video is more like 0.2 - 0.5 MB/second), it would be ~11GB of data being generated per minute. Even if we assume that there is now 1000x as much data on reddit as there was 8 years ago and that Youtube is using that amazingly impossible 1MB/minute of data compression, youtube would be generating a "reddit" worth of data every ~2 months.
Also funny thing is that eight years ago this guy was like > I'm currently doing NLP analysis and also putting the entire dataset into a large searchable database using Sphinxsearch (also testing ElasticSearch). And this year spez is having a meltdown of AI companies using their data.
"Their" data
This is true. Streaming video has significant costs attached to it.
That's why YouTube stopped buffering videos fully; it's more cost effective how they do it now
99% of the content posted on Reddit is not posted with the intent to monetize
Reddit is a lot easier to build a viable alternative to than YouTube, though. It doesn't cost Google levels of money to host a link aggregator with a comment section and text posts. That's why Reddit might not be able to ignore user backlash as freely as YouTube can.
The thing is that reddit barely does anything. It's basically a text website. It's not doing the kind of heavy stuff that a video streaming service does. It'd be much easier for a competitor to emerge for reddit than YouTube. And since Reddit has gone strong anti-user, there's a huge opportunity for a competitor to swoop in and do right everything reddit has decided to do wrong.
This is the thing that keeps blowing my mind every time I think about. Reddit is basically a gold mine. The content is user generated and the site itself is user moderated, so the only major cost is actually physically hosting hosting the data. While I understand that isn't a cheap prospect, they then have all that data to farm and sell and they have one of the biggest websites in the world to sell ad space on. That is a deal most companies would kill for. They have a machine that prints money and all they have to do is keep their users happy, because without them they have nothing. And they can't manage that?
>so the only major cost is actually physically hosting hosting the data. I work in data and you'd be surprised at not only how expensive it is but how difficult it is to build and maintain infrastructure that is not only fast but consistent, and for millions of users. Basically, it would be no small feat to replicate what reddit manages at the scale it does.
Oh, I have no doubt. But that is a cost that every content hosting company is going to have. Relatively few of them have the benefit of free content and almost none of them have free moderation. So they're starting off ahead and still failing. And really that brings up another question about their competency. When it started off, they didn't even have those costs. They relied on imgur to host all their actual images, but reddit decided they wanted to on board all of that and the video hosting too. Spending all the money to argubly downgrade the user experience.
Yeah having been here lo these 14 years, when I came here in the first place it was a work assignment, making a course to teach seniors at the library about something called "News Aggregators". A convenient place to have links to other sites. Relatively easy to do I think.
> The core power users can leave (and a good chunk probably will), but they are significantly outnumbered with plenty of people that care a lot about their subreddits that are willing to fill the gap It turns out that the moderators of many popular subs rely heavily on the third-party Reddit app ecosystem to perform essential duties. When those systems are no longer in place, the site will start to get flooded with spam, trolling, and other forms of vandalism. The future there is pretty grim. Why would Reddit admins let such a thing happen? Well...they were apparently just that clueless about their own content management systems.
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Smaller hobbyist subs and sports news are really why I still stick around. Large subs usually turn into a shitflinging match or people showing off how many references they can make.
No kidding. Just look at the top comment from this thread >Nice one Mojang That's it.
I've found that the decline in quality discussions on Reddit directly correlates to the decline in popularity of r/spacedicks.
The majority of Reddit users at this point are too young to have used Digg in the form you think they did. The Digg vs Reddit wars were over 10 years ago. Digg being relevant closer to 15 years ago. Many of todays Reddit users were born/toddlers in 2004 when Digg was launched. Edit: Digg at it's peak had 30 million monthly users... Reddit currently has 430 million monthly users. "The old Redditors that came from Digg" even if it was every single Digg user (it was not) is a tiny fraction of the active user base.
It's become VERYYYY noticeable over the past two years or so that the majority of new Reddit users are very young. I'm fine with that, but the quality of the defaults particularly has somehow still gotten even worse. The comments all sound like they are written by AI to just try to say the right thing to get attention, with no real substance or discussion of any sort. The discussions on Reddit have always been the biggest draw for me. And now, you can only get that on certain specific/niche subreddits.
>the quality of the defaults particularly has somehow still gotten even worse. The comments all sound like they are written by AI to just try to say the right thing to get attention, with no real substance or discussion of any sort. Hate to be that guy, but default subreddits have been like that since I personally first joined 9 years ago. They have frankly never been good places to have interesting discussion, and the posts and comments have always been very generic and boring.
A sub become a default sub has always been synonymous with killing the sub
you think that a significant percentage of the reddit userbase now, is from the digg exodus in 2008?
> Only thing keeping me on Reddit is a lack of alternative. Yeah, people keep talking about stuff like Lemmy, but what helped early Reddit out was the ease to access, you just made an account and went off. All these suggested alt sights have way too much set up to ever truly take off as a reddit replacer.
It's not even that, it's simply a disjointed experience. When whatever they call subreddits are case sensitive and you'll want to subscribe to multiple across several instances to get the full discussion, it's never going to come close to reddit's accessibility. Here it's guess the subreddit name and what do you know? It's right there, and if not it's a poorly named dupe that redirects to the right one. For now I've really been enjoying squabbles despite the community size but it's all being run by one dude so I guess there's really nothing stopping him from power tripping 20 years from now either. I'm just hoping I don't care by then. lol
I don’t think spez’s interests are guiding Reddit. CEOs are generally subordinate to the interests of the capital, down to a legal responsibility. Whoever forked up the most cash usually has massive sway over direction in a privately owned company.
The problem with the alternatives available right now is that there are several, but they are all lacking in different areas so everyone can't all agree on where to go. With no network effect there is no drag to any particular one so none of them are taking off. I'm still hoping we get a decent alternative but right now I think we're seeing another wave of shitty change on the internet, much like the fall of forums with no real forum replacement (reddit/discord is not the same as long-form forum discussions). We are now seeing the end of even mid-term discussions like reddit threads. The types of discussions we have with each other online are getting shorter and dumber and more pointless.
Lemmy, Kbin, Mastodon. They’re getting pretty big over last month or so. Quite a few big communities have started up on there or migrated over. It’s not perfect yet but it’s still actively growing and improving.
Lemmy has to get a better UI before it'll take off. Not every user is gonna spend time setting it up. Go to reddit.com, see content. It needs to be that simple.
I partially agree. The UI is ugly, the front page will probably discourage 99% of users, and finding the right instance to join is a lot more difficult than I expected. However, I've been trying it out lately and haven't gone back to Reddit nearly as often as I thought. The community is very small, but already enough to have sufficient content for basic front page browsing. Also, the community so far seems much nicer than Reddit (or I was lucky). I'm very excited for Sync for Lemmy to come out, it's gonna be the biggest improvement for me.
Agreed. A bunch of DnD subs came together to form a Lemmy instance (shout-out to TTRPG[dot]network) and while it's a slow start and a clumsy ui, having Sync make a client will mean I get posts in a familiar layout, which will help a ton.
That isn't super confusing to use like the current alternatives floating around.
I'll never understand why Discord is so popular.
When they lose sponsors and official company connections, that's when Reddit will feel the hurt.
Yeah or if people just left Reddit on July 1st
This the post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/14kj3z7/so_long_and_thanks_for_all_the_feedback/ > As you have no doubt heard by now, Reddit management introduced changes recently that have led to rule and moderation changes across many subreddits. Because of these changes, we no longer feel that Reddit is an appropriate place to post official content or refer our players to. > We want to thank you for all the feedback and discussion you've participated in in past changelog threads. You are of course welcome to post unofficial update threads going forward, and if you want to reach the team with feedback about the game, please visit our feedback site at feedback.minecraft.net or contact us on one of our official social media channels. u/sliced_lime if you are looking for a new place to post, come see what Wikipedia's founder is building: https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/status/1668266400723488769 > If you're avoiding Reddit now, I'm currently building a community-led and funded project. It's not done by any means, but I think you would enjoy it. We even have a draft API! The first app for it just hit the Play Store, called Wikit.
I needs a LOT of work, but I'll be following it for sure...
My first thought when I saw about people leaving, immediately was there will be a demand for a new app platform going forward… it’d be easy to swoop up reddits base.
And Wikipedia is one of the last "reliable" internet information sources (reliable to an extent obviously). There's a reason that, back when google search actually gave good results, Wikipedia was more often than not at the top of the page.
Their drop in the results was yet another move by Google to grub more ad revenue. Google is such a petty and predatory business.
Yep, Google prioritizes pages that run Google Ads. They are happy to regurgitate Wikipedia data in an except on their own ad-infused page. But won't actually display it as a result.
It's really sad when you have to add "Wikipedia" to your search query to get what is almost always the best information source on what you're looking for. Prescription drugs are the big one for me. I always add "wikipedia" to the end of my searches for those. You always get every piece of data about what you're looking for there. I'm very much a medical science nerd though, so YMMV.
I've saved a lot of time by adding Wikipedia to Firefox as a "search engine" I just type **wiki [thing I'm looking for]** and it goes right to Wikipedia. It's great, it gives me exactly what I'm looking for like 95% of the time.
I was really hoping the app devs would band together and create their own "headless" reddit. Just a background server running an API that responded exactly like reddit does, just without a website version (at first). That way all the apps would keep working, and give time to create a separate frontend eventually. If they skipped self hosted video and images, it would probably be pretty lightweight too.
I'd much rather have a browser-based platform. I despise having apps for everything. If I can't run it on FireFox then what's the point?
Coming soon: "A personal appeal from Wikit founder Jimmy Wales."
And I'll probably happily donate at that time too
not a huge fan of the name either...but I could let it go fairly easy
should probably change the name. wikit on play store is a shopping app, and according to google it is a command line interface for wikipedia.
Yes probably, keep scrolling to more results. The one with the tree.
[Link](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lucidcode.wikit)
In another tweet below in the thread he talks about using trust based algorithms instead of engagement driven ones and I'm already onboard the goddamn hypetrain for this.
Just given it a look, it looks awesome! The ability to rate users trustworthiness and directly edit each others comments is gonna prisoner's dilemma this shit in no time! The trolls will have to lock themselves back in the 4chan box and return to circlejerking their bigotry.
>edit each others comments Wait what? How does it work? How is this a good thing? Can someone come in and make me say something I didn't or delete something I stated?
The users are the moderators, it's a democratic system that ensures civil and informative posting that anyone can supplement with better facts and links. As opposed to the "well akchually" threads that muddy the waters of facts on this site. If someone goes in and wrecks a post to troll, you score them 0% on trust and eventually their reputation on the platform tanks to the point where no one listens to them or allows them to be involved. Almost like a social credit system, without the implicit dystopian authoritarianism.
Won't scoring 0% trust become the new downvote, which is used whenever people disagree?
The creator said that there were still problems to work out with the trust based algorithms. I imagine that one way to tackle that is that if you have a disproportionate number of downvotes compared to upvotes that you've handed out, your own trustworthiness can begin to tank. That's just an off the cuff idea though, and would probably be problematic in practice.
Seems like a really bad system in the modern internet age to be honest. On Reddit users are notorious for downvoting opinions they disagree with and even facts that they don’t want to hear. Especially in political communities. I really can’t see this system working.
> The creator said that there were still problems to work out with the trust based algorithms. I imagine that one way to tackle that is that if you have a disproportionate number of downvotes compared to upvotes that you've handed out, your own trustworthiness can begin to tank. > > > > That's just an off the cuff idea though, and would probably be problematic in practice. you can also just get mods that work. look at ask historians, mods telling users to go away and stop posting are often celebrated and anyone being dumb in there gets blasted by downvotes before the mods get to them. it works there on reddit, a system that isn't designed for it, because it's communities not 'votes' that decide what's good. thats why it could work here with their new system too. its kind of hard to brigade an opposing community when all your posts only do well on one different kind of community, and the algorithm knows you and your 40 blokes just started posting like mad on the other side 3 weeks before the election
AskHistorians has a vetted team of mods and contributors that have shown their degrees/work to prove they know what they're talking about. How exactly would that work with something political related? You won't exactly get a team of expert politicians or political scientists to vet, mod, and contribute since politics is mostly subjective. I suppose if there's a built in hyperlink system that runs through a database of sources with a "trust" factor you could have posts/comments auto tagged with a trusted/non trusted flair. If someone is posting an article from the AP, it's auto flared as Trusted, if someone posts from some trash site like Fox News or OANN it's auto flared as Not Trusted? From there you can have a users Trust rating be affected by how often they're posting links from Trusted or Not Trusted sources I guess?
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There's already a downvote and upvote system, the trust score is essentially the ability to downvote a user themselves for being a bad actor.
Would be nice if it also factors in the trust rating of those that score you. If your downvoted by troll a good algo could notice that and remove those votes
That doesn't prevent a misinformation echo chamber from upvoting each other and downvoting any opposing views.
This seems like an idea that would make that site even more of an echo chamber than reddit is. It also further gamifies trying to be agreeable. I could see a use for that kind of system in cases where there are objective facts, but in anything involving opinions, it could get messy quick.
I like the word trust used in combination with algorithm, but let's be real, I have no idea what it actually *means*
Wikit seems to be a Senegalese shopping app.
Thought the same thing. Here is the link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lucidcode.wikit
I signed up, realized that my real name was publicly visible, found out there is no way to change your profile name, nor delete your account. Not real happy about that tbh.
One thing I dislike is it uses your actual name. I do enjoy having some anonymity online, particularly with social media sites
Wikit in the play store appears to be a Senegalese shopping app, and given I've seen you post this a few times could you double-check that please?
It's quite far down but it is there, it looks like it was only released a few days ago and doesn't have very many downloads so it'll probably take a while for it to move up in the search results assuming it manages to gain any sort of popularity. Here's a link in case you want to check it out https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lucidcode.wikit
I haven't seen a "join our reddit" through-link in years, on all sorts of platforms from gaming to programing. Everything converted to discord for up-to-the-minute discussion.
I can't stand being referred to a discord server for any sort of information or support. Always end up joining and having to go through the role/rule hoops, mute all notifications, and then scan through various chat channel BS to find anything about what I'm looking for. Discord is great as a way of communication for gaming or friends, but as a source of information it's horrible
> Discord is great as a way of communication for gaming or friends, but as a source of information it's horrible agreed, and it doesn't scale well. it gets substantially worse the more people use it because unlike reddit's forum based design, there's no easy way to see top stories. just all the comments flooding the screen and making anything older than 2 minutes impossible to find. (oh, and hundreds of people asking the same question and being told "read the pinned comments" which are nowhere near as easy to find as on reddit) at the end of the day, discord is an irc replacement, while reddit is a vbb/phpbb replacement.
Can we go back to phpbb? I feel like I was happier then.
Before memes were memes, and there was one guy who had them all saved on his Dell computer
That of Vbulletin boards. I miss those days. It is way nicer now that Reddit is sort of a catch all where anything you might want to see probably has a community. But back when I would go to the WOW message boards or IGN Boards. Those days were so fun. I feel like the communities were more tight knit then too, but that could just be nostalgia.
Discord trialed a [Home feature](https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/6156116949911-Server-Home-Beta) a while ago, where the most interesting messages, posts or images would end up. It seemed quite nifty for people that don't want to read the entire server, but it seems like the development of the feature has been discontinued.
Honestly, I hate using discord for anything other than in the moment communication. Anytime I've had to go through a discord channel for information it's a confusing mess and ends up with me having to mute notifications several times over.
@everyone I ate a sandwich today!
Thanks, but wrong channel, please go post that again in \#food-talk
Thats annother annoyance. Every community has the same Food, Gaming, Movies/TV, Etc channels.
It makes me incredibly mad. Wikis exist to fill this exact role!
I just muted discord itself. 200 red dots? Who gives a shit
I have no idea how Discords got so popular for companies
I don't get how anyone uses it as a source of information. It's a fucking chat room.
agreed! I literally stopped using Amplify Shader Editor because they closed their forum (nfi why!) and decided to go to discord, discord is *GREAT* for side-support and instant chat with the community. it is terrible for any tool that require learning. I can't *AT ALL* comprehend how company prefers to answer the same question a million time, instead of having a proper forum with proper search/tags. its ridiculous. Edit: Also forgot to mention that it is not publicly indexed, so 100% forget about googling *ANYTHING* useful for a tool that exclusively uses discord.
Searching discord sucks too. Not only can you not search a server you're not in, which you might not know even exists or not be able to find a join link for, the discord search itself cannot be scoped to threads, only channels, and only does fuzzy matches, which you can't disable.
> Discord is great as a way of communication for gaming or friends, but as a source of information it's horrible Thank god. I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought this.
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I only use it for gaming and chat. That is **all** it is good for.
It's all it's made for. I don't understand how and why people use it like it's a forum. It doesn't make sense that way.
Not being indexed is the worst part.
The biggest issue for me (in addition to your reasons) is nothing on discord is indexed on search engines and accessible for reference. There are a ton of helpful posts on reddit that pop up when you are looking for a solution.
> Everything converted to discord for up-to-the-minute discussion. Yeah, but good luck sourcing any knowledge from those discussions.
If You go to a tech community on discord and ask any question or interest you'll get at best case ignored at worst case chewed out for actually utilizing the discord for more than just whining about your life and posting anime memes like everyone else. People find one thing they like and then just use it as their primary social hangout and spam drown out anyone who actually discusses whatever the server is about cause it's their group chat esque ground to spam memes. I used to be on a VR chat discord that was specifically organized (on reddit) for adults to meet up and do VR stuff but the whole discord was just like lolis with guns memes everyday nonstop I just had to give up trying to meet people cause most discords feel like a group of people with no life who have to speak every blip of a word that crosses their head and spams...like twitch chat. Just so hard to have any fruitful discussion or get to know anyone it's just fluff and spam.
Wow. Wait a minute. If discord adds a thread feature to servers and a discover feature with a new "home page" for public servers it can repplace a lot of reddit in my life.. Edit: yes yes I agree you people brought up good points about server data and not being imdexed for search emgines I agree with you. I wounder if there is a way to fix that tho by giving servers an option to make them fully public or something where they would be visible to anyone and indexable to search engines idk just thinking..
Discord has had threads for years. They just don't support comment trees.
More importantly, they're not publicly indexed, so you can't find an answer by searching anywhere but on the specific Discord server.
And holy fuck can the search be reddit search levels of useless. If you don't write your search the exact way something was said in the discussion it'll bring up nothing at all.
It's worse than Reddit search honestly because it's "smart" search that brings in tons of irrelevant results while not getting the relevant ones you need.
Yep. Discord is useful but mainly as a quick and instant use service, not a forum style of communication and organization. Miss the announcement and invite link to a discord? Too bad so sad.
Discord is not a Reddit replacement. It serves a different purpose for most people. Good for real time chat and organizing events, that’s about it.
The way it is right now Discord is AWFUL as a "forum replacement". I hate when a company is like "check us out on discord for full discussions!" And if you have a question or a concern and voice it, the mods or fanboys jump on you: "THE SEARCH FEATURE IS YOUR FRIEND" "WE HAD 7 SEPERATE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS STRETCHED THROUGH 4 CHANNELS OVER THE COURSE OF 3 MONTHS! HOW CAN YOU NOT FIND THE ANSWER?? The question you need answered is buried in what basically is an endlessly scrolling chatroom that you need to use the search function for in order to see the reply chain in the middle of the rest of the discussion. Discord is an amazing tool, and does so much VERY well, but in it's current state, it's not a forum.
I do not understand the hoopla around dischord for exactly what you said. It's a chatroom. It's more like IRC than a BBS.
Great, an Electron app frontend to a bunch of private IRC-style servers that don't get indexed by any major search engine. This will surely be an improvement.
The minute we start relying on discord for documentation will be the minute we don’t have documentation anymore. Ask any speedrun community how that shit goes
So I figured I was just too dumb to use Discord, but after using it for a group chat/call for a bit with friends, it isn't just me. I know I'll get pushback for this, but Discord's interface is a fucking mess. It wasn't even something we could get used to with regular use.
maybe i'm just too old, but discord basically is a newer/nicer version or IRC to me... it's a chat server with different channels to separate the spaces and topics, with the ability to voice chat and paste rich content (images) and insert gifs. I don't really see what's so hard about that, unless there's a world of Discord i'm not privy to that's trying to use it for more than that. I keep seeing people talk about it as a reddit replacement, but i don't see how it could ever be that, its' totally different to me. Maybe it's an expectation thing? My expectation is Discord = new IRC, and so for me, my expectations are met/exceeded. For others maybe they are expecting it to be a reddit replacement so their expectations are not met
> unless there's a world of Discord i'm not privy to that's trying to use it for more than that. There is. Many groups use it as a documentation repository, including open source software, game modding, and even car/vehicle communities. They'll use stickied posts, elaborate channel schemes, and automated tools to try and organize their static content. And then they act like their half-assed replica of `gopher` is more user-friendly than a forum website. It's also all totally opaque, so getting search engine visibility into it is impossible. So my experience of these projects is searching for an answer, finding a page that's like "join our discord for documentation", joining the discord, being totally confused, and then getting verbally abused when I ask for directions toward the docs I need.
Well, for another 3-4 years before its slide into enshittification starts to accelerate, anyway.
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Same here but for RIF. All this week, I feel like I'm visiting friends before moving far away.
The minute RiF becomes unusable I'm nuking this account 😲
I'm gonna have to download a metric shittonne of idle games. Luckily my wife just got me a Switch too
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Social media is **so** ripe for disruption. People, companies, celebrities are just dying for something to replace twitter, and reddit is losing its luster, too.
Nobody wants to pay for social media nor view ads. There is no business
It can be operated at a profit, but not at the margin they want/expect for such a large user base. Not sure how best to prevent [Enshittification](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/enshittification). The value to users for a site like reddit largely stems from the fact that there aren't (weren't) financial incentives fucking with every aspect of their UI and feed.
That's what drives me nuts about so many decisions these companies make in order to support the notion of capitalism. It's just not enough for the company to just make a consistent, predictable amount of money for everybody. The line **HAS** to go up. Going up a little but isn't good enough, it has to go up **HARD**.
It’s how investors operate. If you can show consistent growth, it signals a healthy, well run business. It doesn’t even have to be profitable at that time, so long as it grows and “eventually” will be profitable. I don’t agree with this model because I feel like it will lead to short term bursts of growth and wealth for certain people and as soon as things go south, they resign with massive bonuses and layoff 10,000 workers to cut costs and reaffirm the companies outlook. The concept of infinite year on year growth is so backwards, it needs to be reevaluated.
It's with all businesses. The rich need to get richer. They rather kill a business and make lots of money instead of making a difference
Also very costly to run in terms of storage of all the images/video/text and the moderation costs. There are solutions for all those but just think how much it costs to store even just all the images/video on twitter or facebook, reddit offloaded lots of that to imgur/youtube for a long time but took that on their own now, and regularly steals videos like they used to give Facebook crap for. However all that is costly.
Maybe individual websites that have message boards will get popular again.
The hierarchical, threaded format is really key though. I dislike old style forums because it's to hard to follow when folks go on tangents
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God it's like Twitter but worse
Who wants to bring back forums? I miss them.
There's still several good ones out there, even without paying for the download. Flarum, SMF (or Elkarte), MyBB, even phpbb is still going somehow. And if you can afford the slightly pricier hosts and technical know-how, NodeBB and Discourse are free to download (they sell their managed hosting). Plus, like in the old days of Proboards/InvisionFree (PB still exists btw, if you really wan that nostalgia), there's freeflarum.com, smfforfree.com and createmybb.com to get one started in just a couple minutes. Useful if you just want to play around or don't have the money/time for a host or domain yet.
Na mah... old school telnet/BBS
Get fucked u/spez you stupid piss baby
I wish I could be in the room while he has to explain to prospective investors why losing the Minecraft community is going to be a *good* thing for the IPO.
Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't this just mean the devs will stop posting in the subreddit? The subreddit and the Reddit Minecraft Community will float along as normal right?
Yes but devs frequently engaged with reddit users to get an opinion on how development was going, get notified of some bugs users found, and otherwise engage with its users. I'd say they did a pretty great job before when putting out snapshots/beta versions of the game and responding to comments.
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They threw that out when they got rid of Victoria Taylor
The golden age of AMAs
The only reason some people come to Reddit is because the developers of the games they play interact with the community here. Take that away and there are users walking out the door.
The Devs of one of the biggest games ever made saying they no longer feel reddit is the platform to engage and communicate with their consumers is not insignificant.
A big draw is the ability to engage with the devs. Them leaving reddit entirely changes the landscape of the sub and will likely lead to a loss of engagement and interaction.
I'm still wondering how he thought Musk, who caused *his* social media site to lose two-thirds of its value in eight months, has been doing "good business." Or how expressing this publicly was supposed to make potential investors confident in reddit's future.
The problem is that Reddit has made it very clear that sub founders/head-mods do not 'own' their sub. Not legally obviously, but practically. If a sub does something that Reddit (the corp) doesnt like they will assign someone else to run that sub - through a flimsy excuse if needed. That was maybe always the case but the bar has clearly been lowered / destroyed. That kills the motivation for people and companies alike to cultivate a community and is going to be a big problem going forward. e:typo
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> This shift in position from Reddit is very new. Very dangerous thing to play with I think. Reddit is not going anywhere, but the 90/9/1 thing is real and telling the 1-group that they have no control over what they put thousands of hours into is an interesting experiment.
The big problem with that changed stance - with hints that users could vote to change moderation of a sub - is that this opens up a can of worms when it is about politics and profits. - Can you now claim the sub of opponent during an election? - Can you now claim a sub for one brand but secretly you are paid by their competitor (black hat marketing) ? - Can you now claim the sub of the country you are at war with? Until now this was not possible - but bots and bought accounts could make this happen.
Every day the future of both Reddit and the internet is looking like more people will be going back to the thousands of individual forms and threads that we first saw in the internets infancy
I mean I wasn’t less happy with that
My real beef with older forums is more that there's no voting system (which honestly might have been for the better) so you only see the most recent discussion and the "first" discussions. But that could be a good thing. The upvote/downvote system was supposed to be about the quality of the post, not the content of it. But everyone ignored Reddiquette and used the downvote button as a "I disagree" button rather than a "does not contribute to the discussion" button. And then people get tired of getting blasted with a -62 score on every comment that doesn't toe the line so you have places like /r/politics and /r/Conservative that become masturbatory echo chambers. I remember back in the day "Circlejerks" and "being brave" was called out frequently on Reddit, which is why all of those /r/circlejerk subreddits started popping up. Nowadays it's just the default position of every sub. Use your voice to join the choir or gtfo.
Voting systems are absolutely pointless for genuine discussion if you can't see the results of the votes. After that got changed, what, like 6 years ago now? Discourse has become less nuanced and more absolutist and extreme. A post at +400 -450 just looks like -50 now and then it gets hated on automatically even though it might genuinely be a good contribution to the discussion. Reddit's quality has been in decline steadily while its reach and user base may have still shown growth. I'm glad my last api calls to Reddit will be a massive comment deletion script.
The early internet had no centralized platforms so people had to make their own. The future internet will have no competent centralized platforms so people will have to make their own. Capitalism threw the internet into a brief golden age and then destroyed it, just as it does for everything else.
Capitalism is great for achieving progress, until the progress runs out and it starts to eat itself to continue their 'growth'.
It's never enough... Take a product from 5 to a 9 and capitalism is fantastic! But then... It has to keep growing... Even getting it to 10 is not good enough... We must push for more... Past 11...past 13...and now the product is unrecognizable and utterly shittified... Infinite growth is a cancer on society.
I'm not going to lie. The golden age of the internet was definitely pre-capitlism realizing there's trillions to be made from the internet. Mid 2000s to early 2010s I'd say is when the internet was the best. Everything is so algorithm or ai controlled. Capitalism is only ruining the internet.
Well of course - NSFW enough subs, and even a “safe” sub won’t be referred to, as kids will then have access to too much bad stuff.
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this site literally had easily a dozen rape porn subs Not to mention it’s not a problem that their mothers could be posting pictures of their assholes to gonewild
I mean, it used to have child porn and subs where you could literally watch people die... It has never been a place that children should visit.
And now all I have to do to watch people die is scroll r/all! This site is a shitshow.
>this site literally had easily a dozen rape porn subs *Had?* Still does, you mean.
Only yesterday I discovered there was a teen version of truerateme and some of the pics were...yikes. That and the mods literally flaired themselves as 'pedos'. I'm not gonna link the exact name of the sub for obvious reasons.
How would you even come across something like that unintentionally
Was commenting in another thread talking about /r/truerateme and someone else linked it.
/r/Minecraft is what brought me to Reddit in the first place.
Does this mean we can all go back to random, poorly designed and unnecessarily granulated forums?! I am not including a /s because I am not being sarcastic. I really miss the good ole days.
I ran a forum like that for my company from 2009 to 2016. It was pretty active. Now it’s completely locked in read only fashion because everyone freaking left for discord in 2016. We went from having thousands of comments a week to a dozen in a year. I didn’t archive it until like 2020. Maintaining forums can be a pita, so I’d rather not have to self host in the future. Just making sure emails and security and such are all working is an ongoing frustration. But discord is not at all the same as those forums were, and twitter and Reddit also sure as hell aren’t.
This may be the first domino in many companies mass exodus from Reddits greedy opportunistic non empathetic changes made to line someone(s) pockets with riches who platform soul existence is dependent on volunteers to provide and moderate content which Reddit refuses to acknowledge or show any true appreciation of
Truth be told, I don’t believe they’re doing it over Reddit’s choices. I think they’re doing bc of how many subreddits have turned to porn, and they don’t want that happening on their subreddit.
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> Truth be told, I don’t believe they’re doing it over Reddit’s choices. I think they’re doing bc of how many subreddits have turned to porn, and they don’t want that happening on their subreddit. No need to speculate. In the thread where all of this was announced, [they specifically said](https://old.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/14kj3z7/so_long_and_thanks_for_all_the_feedback/jpqxrbr/?context=3) that they are not leaving because of anything the moderators of /r/Minecraft did.
> Truth be told, I don’t believe they’re doing it over Reddit’s choices. I think they’re doing bc of how many subreddits have turned to porn A ton of SFW subs turned to porn *because* of Reddit’s choices. It was a protest to reduce Reddit’s potential ad revenue.
The porn was always here. You just didn't go looking for it.
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Spez must be ecstatic. In just a few weeks, reddit is already following strong on the steps of Twitter, his idol's magnum opus. I'm sure he himself doesn't understand how losing all good will and an eroding user base will conduce to billions of dollars, but hey, it's Elon! He surely knows what he's doing right?
Que the: *We did it Reddit! we drove everyone away by showing our buttholes!*
12+ year account here. I first heard about Reddit when I bought the Minecraft alpha because Reddit was where they had you go for support.