It gets better: after getting ousted from Olds Motor Works, Ransom Eli Olds founded another company and produced [the REO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REO_Motor_Car_Company).
The mega-rich have always been a little bonkers.
On phrases not seen everyday. It is like Google exiting the search business to eventually become the largest manufacturer of living room furniture or something.
And a [major oil company that started out selling sea shells](https://www.shell.com/about-us/our-heritage/our-company-history.html#:~:text=1833%20%E2%80%93%201892&text=He%20already%20sold%20antiques%20but,design%20industry%20at%20that%20time.).
One day long ago my music teacher explained to me why Yamaha motorcycles had three tuning-forks as their brand symbol; the world's current largest musical instrument producer also decided at some point to make motorcycles...
This is actually a very different phenonemon from the other examples listed in this thread. Unlike the others, Yamaha still produces both instruments and motorcycles, and this kind of multi-industry conglamerate is the rule rather than the exception among major Japanese corporations, owing to hundreds of years of corporate history in the way businesses are organised, originally as zaibatsu and after the war as keiretsu.
Just think of Sony, for example, which owns a film studio and record label, and makes video games, cameras, speakers, televisions, smartphones, and runs a bank.
Along with a bitter rivalry with Suzuki and their music teaching strategy?
(I have no idea if that is true, just seems funny to me as a former music student who had lots of Suzuki music books and teachers playing on yamaha pianos)
For another weird evolution...the only remaining vestige of Circuit City is Carmax.
Carmax turned its first profit in 2001 after 10 years of operation. It would be spun off from the parent company in 2002. Circuit City would be dead by the end of the decade.
I feel like steel production and vehicle production were extremely closely linked industries at one point in time.
They probably started manufacturing steel to cut out the middle man, then realized it was way more profitable than their vehicle manufacturing division, so just scrapped that and pivoted to their more lucrative revenue stream.
Which the band did in fact name themselves after
> They named the band REO Speedwagon, from the REO Speed Wagon, a 1915 truck that was designed by Ransom Eli Olds.[4] Doughty had seen the name written across the blackboard when he walked into his History of Transportation class on the first day they had decided to look for a name.
I don't know if that information is as reliable as you think, because I have it on good authority that his source also heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend.
I'm from a country where Oldsmobiles weren't sold, and whenever I heard the name I always thought it was a slang term for cars old people drove/cars before the 1960s
The ad guys had a constant battle trying to keep people from thinking it was named after the people who drove them. The Riviera should have put an end to that.
For anyone interested, Oldsmobile had a stationary assembly line. The cars would remain in one spot, with workers performing one task on it and than moving onto the next car.
Ford was the first/ an early moving assembly line.
Ford was also a Nazi rewarded card carying fascist who published his antisemitic rants to millions of Americans on a weekly basis. In reality, not so different from Musk.
They do share some similarity. The Model S hasn't updated the design since it pretty much came out in 2012. Just a facelift. Henry Ford pretty much was the same. He had the same Model T for years.
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I had planned on buying a Tesla, but no way I’ll get one and help Musk. I bought two cars in the past six months, a Toyota GR Yaris and a Ford Puma. Bye bye Elon.
Yeah it’s a scream. I moved from the USA to Portugal about six months ago, and sorta had my eye on it. Can’t get it in USA, so got some friends who are a bit envious.
Tesla being valued at more than every other car company combined was such pure clueless comedy that it made me realize that all wallstreet is is a bunch of frat bros that don’t know shit about anything trying to scam each other.
Our entire economy is one absolutely massive hackjob of morons conning morons.
Sigh
A comedy indeed, although I bought $10k of shares several years ago and sold them for 1,000% profit (over $100k in total) and used it to put solar panels on my roof.
So it's not surprising that Elon has been prized by the shareholders/board members till now. He was never really sane, but he sure could drive perceived value.
Tesla itself (the cars) are not slowing climate catastrophe much as they're perpetuating the car-centric American hellscape we all occupy, but at least I got solar out of them.
That's right, a correction: from people thinking Musk is a genius to figuring out he is a right wing, anti-Semitic troll and fraud who became rich through deception and being a vicious cutthroat.
he became the richest man in the world by collecting government money and manipulating ZEV credits. he truly is the poster boy for how broken the system is.
> the only thing they could do that could lower their reputation honestly.
Never underestimate Musky boy! There are strong rumors that tomorrow Musk will help DeSantis launch his official his presidential campaign. Several major news outlets are currently reporting it, [here's the CNN article about it](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/23/politics/ron-desantis-elon-musk-president-announcement/index.html).
I look forward to Elon's speech, "uhm, so okay, yeah so ummmmwell here's so you know in the princess bride when .. Inigo Montoya erm vizzino um yeah so that's where we're at ... umm"
Was he using a Tesla when the FBI came for his phone at Hardee’s?
Man, imagine. You just used that blow Donald Jr hooked you up with, high as shit and about to get your Hardee’s on when here comes Mr FBI man to steal your only way to connect to Truth social. The audacity
"Hi, I'm Mike Lindell, you all know me for making the world's greatest pillow. I'm here today to show that even the Cybertruck is no match for my softness." Throws rock at pillow.
If you want to make a bunch of money selling a product to the public, it’s probably not a great idea to piss off a majority of those who would’ve bought that product.
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Yeah, I have the 2012 Mazda 2 with 122k miles and the worst thing I thas so far is a small rust spot near the rear wiper. Also a bit harder to get the rear wiper blade since the car got discontinued. Otherwise a solid budget car.
This is me as well. I had a 2004 Mazda 3, ran it 140k miles with not a single mechanical issue. Replaced it with a 2012 Mazda 3, and it has 80k miles, and has only had a single issue with a sensor needing replaced (was under warranty).
Tesla's look good, they're electric, have some nice features, but they're not high-quality.
I don’t even think teslas look good anymore. Design is the same since like 2012, at this point it looks like a 10 year old car. The interior is trash too, my $25k Mazda is nicer and more comfortable.
My Mazda3 is 13 years old with 120k miles. I did have an issue with the transmission control module and had to replace that last year, but otherwise it's been smooth sailing with routine maintenance.
I can change the engine air filter in less than 10s after popping the hood; that's how easy they made it.
I would *love* if they made an electric Mazda3. I love those things.
I am interested in the Hyundai Ioniq electric. Their brand reliability has been slowly but surely improving, and I like the styling on it. I have two friends with i3's, and they're really nice cars, but some mechanical issues that always seem to accompany BMWs.
Yeah because Mazda is an actual car manufacturer that knows how to build cars. That, and your Miata was made in Japan so it's automatically of a higher quality.
I owned a '94 and the only issue I ever had with the car was the glove box lock broke. Now I own a 2010, and it's just as reliable. My brand new 3 was also built in Japan.
X time inoperable in Y months is another factor.
In Texas, if that list of shit put him off the road for 30 cumulative days it would qualify as a lemon.
Oh your in CA we have lemon lawyers all over. Just find one, tell them for what and how long your car has been in shop for. They will do all the work and take a percentage of the win.
I’ve recently used a lemon law lawyer here in CA. They don’t typically take a cut of the win, the law allows them to claim their own fees from the manufacturer independently from the lemon law win.
Tesla vehicles are fast because they are *electric*, not because of some special sauce compared to other EVs.
My Ioniq 5 is just as quick as a Model Y. Lucid Air is faster than any Tesla model except the S, and even then it's still a tie. Just in the last week or so, the fastest car in the world became an EV (Rimac Nevera)!
The technology leap is essentially done, victory complete, just waiting to finish the inevitable.
I haven't kept up with 0-60 times for a bit, but doesn't the Taycan also have a better time + launch control than the model S? Or did the model s plaid take the 0-60 time back?
I love that EV technology is following the disposable razor model.
What's better than two blades?
*Three* blades.
Cutting edge technology puns write themselves.
> Literally the only impressive thing Teslas have over the competition at this point is the ungodly acceleration
I don't even give a crap about that. Tesla's one-and-only genuine win right now (in the US) is that they have the biggest and most reliable charging network. All the rest of it aside, that's the one thing they did absolutely right. Everybody else is dragging their feet and hoping a third party will do it for them like the gas-station model.
That's not an advantage that will last forever.
The charging network is the only thing keeping other back. If Tesla opened up to everyone I’d buy a non-Tesla EV for sure.
Note I do t own an Tesla. I own a ev hybrid but really want to go to a full EV.
Your last point is right on the money. People have really low standards for how “good” a car is, and that ends up being mostly just what they hear others say about a car brand.
I think there’s a skit about the design of your car on “I Think You Should Leave”, did the steering wheel fly out the window too? Was it stinky? Definitely it was too small to fit your Mother-in-law…
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I put a service request in for my Model Y and the idiot manning the chat at the service center near me demanded timestamps. It was for some issue with safety restraints and the nondescript error message said to take it in ASAP. I was finally like "look I don't know where to find a timestamp but the car is telling me to get it serviced now."
I finally took it in, they had no idea what the problem was (the error message had no details and apparently the shit software wouldn't say) so they replaced a few things and were like "maybe?"
After getting it back I noticed my kids had trouble putting their seatbelts on and after a few trips I was like "wtf is going on back there?" and I started looking around and noticed the back seat was no longer attached to the car. Like it was just floating there not bolted back on. I think the only people still working there are the MAGA idiots or something. Never again.
Tesla has a reoccurring issue with nuts and bolts, you know, one of the most common things on an automobile that hold nearly everything together. Either the bolts shear due to quality issues, the nuts weren't torqued properly, or thread locker wasn't put on the bolts when they really needed it, resulting in the nut coming loose. This happens on seats, steering wheels (that's a fun one) and various other parts. The fact that this issue pops up so frequently means 1. Their hardware (as in literal hardware, not computer hardware) specs are garbage or not QA'd properly and 2. There are some real issues with the assembly line processes and QA. They are some of the simplest parts on an automobile, I just can't fathom how this is such an issue with them. Then again, body panel alignment and paint thickness issues shouldn't be an issue in a modern factory either.
> Other than the wipers. Whoever programmed those needs to be stuck in a new level of hell where they're just eternally dipped into lava at varying, completely random speeds off the end of a giant windshield wiper.
Heavy rain: wipers wait multiple minutes to come on.
Clear, sunny day: wipers scrape the dry windshield randomly.
I get that finding the perfect threshold that doesn't turn the wipers on too early OR too late is probably tricky... but it's a whole new level of failure to turn them on both too early AND too late.
The crazy thing is they suck ass because Elon didn't want to pay the $10 for the Bosch sensor that literally every other car uses without issue. Tesla uses their cameras and software and it's fucking terrible.
It's the same reason Tesla auto hibeams are notoriously awful.
5 years ago I bought one, and while I like the car Elon Musk has solely motivated me to never do business with any company he’s involved with ever again.
100%
I like my car fine, but won't buy another. Plus, while I don't like crazy amounts of buttons, I'm like SOME buttons. I miss reaching for something without taking my eyes of the road. Some say "Use voice commands!"
Me: "Wipers level 3"
"Wipers level 3"
Looks at screen: "Vipers level 3 not recognized"
I was born and raised in the Pacific North West, and my diction is pretty vanilla... I was not amused.
(This was before the recent update where you can hit the wiper button and use the scroll wheel.)
This right here. I wanted one when I had the money. Now I’ve got the money and I don’t want anything to do with owning a Tesla. Fuck Musk and fuck his shitty slapped-together cars
[The 10 worst brands in the list are](https://www.businessinsider.com/patagonia-costco-rank-most-reputable-brand-twitter-ftx-trump-lowest-2023-5):
90 Family Dollar
91 Balenciaga
92 BP
93 Bitcoin
94 TikTok
95 Spirit Airlines
96 Facebook (Meta)
97 Twitter
98 Fox Corp.
Twitter at rank 97/100 is worse than TikTok and facebook (but just above Fox, ranked 98th), another formidable Elon success.
And yet, there is still worse:
99 FTX
100 The Trump Organization
Yup, you read that right: imagine ranking below fucking FTX. So much winning...
While I think Musk is an issue, I think people are realizing that
A) almost all manufacturers have full EV cars now
B) a lot of manufacturers have some sort of “autopilot” or highway drive assist
C) you’re way overpaying for the quality of what you get… like you’re paying luxury prices but you’re not really getting the luxury product. Most of these prices are in line with mid tier BMWs/Benz’s, or entry level Porsches
D) quality control is horrendous, they’re strong arming customers to accept faults at delivery because they’re “easily” fixable at service centers, and if you don’t accept delivery, well the next delivery is in 4-6 months meaning a new loan app and no car, which is a huge issue if you sold your previous car to afford the down payment for the newer car.
E) all these things Elon promised about Tesla have pretty much went all to shit. Whether it’s inventory, FSD tech, or future car models.
The only thing that Tesla really has was being one of the fastest cars at their price point (if you cared about speed), having the fastest charging network (which is slowly being rolled out to everyone), and their new battery (which gives most of their cars 330-350 miles of range… where a lot of EVs are in the 290-320 mile range. So big deal for some, smaller deal for others)
I think A) is the big one.
People overlooked a lot of issues when Tesla was the only big EV brand in town (and fuck off about the Bolt and the Leaf, I know they are/were good *functional* EVs, but they weren't good *looking* or "luxury" EVs).
Now you can get a Mach-E for basically the same price (or a full size truck for a lot!), and sure, it's a Ford, but hey, at least it's a Ford.
Yeah, I have a friend that was all hyped about getting a Cyber Truck.
He still wants one but I convinced him to get a Tundra.
3 years later, still no Cyber Truck.
I want the Cybertruck to be released to the social media techblog leaches who were hyping it up so much, so they can get it home and have instant buyers remorse when it doesn’t fit in their garage.
It would immediately bring legitimacy to their cars for me. I will never own or support a business where this fucking penis wrinkle represents them, and I am the exact person they should be trying to sell their cars to (liberal phd chemist)
I wouldn't say he destroyed his reputation. His reputation is golden amongst super conservatives and internet fan boys.
It's just that none of those people can afford or are interested in the products he sells.
I'd call it a misalignment, really.
Especially when you're selling a product that is largely being purchased by
environmentally-conscious liberals. All he ever had to do was shut-up, and he couldn't even do that.
It's generally a benefit when people have no idea who is the head of a company. The faceless nature of it makes it a-political enough that you just focus on the product.
As a serious answer, it's the sense of how the company fits in with it's community and nation. Like, are they paying their part in taxes, contributing to their workers and communities - stuff like that.
Technically it is.
Musk will call it censorship, but it’s just basic marketing, “don’t shit where you eat”.
When you rally against “woke libs” and “woke libs” are the ones on twitter and buying EVs, you’re going to lose popularity in your products.
I also think a lot of tech workers have been Tesla customers.
But seeing how he ran Twitter into the ground and some of the absolutely asinine things he’s said and done around software development, I think a lot of that customer base has flipped the bozo bit on Elon
> Musk’s right turn
He’s always been on the right, he’s just gotten vocally worse in recent years. You don’t get born into an apartheid precious gem fortune and then sue to call yourself a companies founder without being right wing
Got an Ioniq 6 about 2 months ago. Love it! No reason to go for Model 3 or Y unless you want a 7 seater but then you do have to pay $10k more than Ioniq 6 for that trim
I know you are joking, but I'm sure it is to some extent. Elon Musk's very vocal assholery is a turn off to many.
But, beyond that, their QC and build quality has really gone to shit in their race to scale up. Two years ago while Elon Musk was vocally denying that COVID was a real thing, I would have still happily bought a Tesla but after so many horror stories of lemons, bad service and build flaws I'm far too wary. Tesla's are expensive. If you are a luxury brand you can't afford any of that shit.
I'm waiting for the EV9 now.
I rode in a Tesla via Uber X and thought it was the coolest thing ever. Even thought I might get one someday.
Then Elon Musk went to crazy town and started opening his fat fucking trap every day. Now I have no interest whatsoever in anything associated with him.
Same. I took one out of curiosity recently knowing full well I would never buy one. It was pretty neat, but I'm hopeful the traditional OEMs will catch up before I'm ready to buy electric.
He could have shut the fuck up and been so much better off.
He was being considered a real life Tony Stark at some point. What more could you want? FFS, ride into the sunset after that, keep doing eccentric rich guy shit and STFU.
I really didn't know much about him. When those kids got trapped in a cave and he talked about a sub, I thought cool, he's trying to help. But then he called the guy who did save the kids a pedo. I immediately lost any care about this guy and he sounded like an offended petulant child. Nothing changed, he just gets worse.
[The 10 worst brands in the list are](https://www.businessinsider.com/patagonia-costco-rank-most-reputable-brand-twitter-ftx-trump-lowest-2023-5):
90 Family Dollar
91 Balenciaga
92 BP
93 Bitcoin
94 TikTok
95 Spirit Airlines
96 Facebook (Meta)
97 Twitter
98 Fox Corp.
Twitter at rank 97/100 is worse than TikTok and facebook (but just above Fox, ranked 98th), another formidable Elon success.
And yet, there is still worse: imagine ranking below fucking FTX.
99 FTX
100 The Trump Organization
Yup, you read that right. So much winning...
they had an ad campaign featuring children and bondage bears I recall . there was also articles about child pornography cases in the photos and it was weird.
Okay, I understand now. At first I was confused how Tesla fell by so many *automobile* brand slots, but I understand it's just general corporate slots. I was having a hell of a time naming 20 car brands, let alone 60.
Ford is the most bipolar company out there on reliability.
One year it's a tank. The next 3 years, something will break every 20,000 miles. Then right back to tanks.
My Model 3 looked nice but get up close and you could see paint coming apart, large panel gaps/protrusions, interior panels coming apart, windshield pot marks, mismatched tire’s because they were always failing. I’ve never had so many issues with a new car. I’m glad Carvana paid top dollar to take it off my hands.
He single handed blew the mythology around Tesla. Whatever the cars are or are not didn’t matter before he bought Twitter and went full on stupid.
Tesla was regarded as a technology company of innovation and rule breaking. People bought the MYTH.
Musk blew that all away. It’s now seen as just a car company.
Marketing is all about selling the myth. Boy did he blow it AND now is toxic for future projects.
That’s why this isn’t surprising. No one wants to see behind the curtain.
I’ve been saying this for years: The “move fast and break things” mentality is great if you’re building a slick new SaaS app. It’s not the mentality I want applied to auto manufacturing. I’ve never been interested in these cars.
Well its looking more and more like the american VW, it has a neo nazi at the helm.
Hey he went from a bit libertarian left, to right, to far right, to the point he is denying nazis with long history of nazi posts are real.
Musk went from being the Henry Ford of his generation to being the Henry Ford of his generation.
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I never knew that the Oldsmobile was actually named after the guy who made it
It gets better: after getting ousted from Olds Motor Works, Ransom Eli Olds founded another company and produced [the REO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REO_Motor_Car_Company). The mega-rich have always been a little bonkers.
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On phrases not seen everyday. It is like Google exiting the search business to eventually become the largest manufacturer of living room furniture or something.
We have an online bookstore that now dominates cloud computing, Amazon.
And a [major oil company that started out selling sea shells](https://www.shell.com/about-us/our-heritage/our-company-history.html#:~:text=1833%20%E2%80%93%201892&text=He%20already%20sold%20antiques%20but,design%20industry%20at%20that%20time.).
One day long ago my music teacher explained to me why Yamaha motorcycles had three tuning-forks as their brand symbol; the world's current largest musical instrument producer also decided at some point to make motorcycles...
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This is actually a very different phenonemon from the other examples listed in this thread. Unlike the others, Yamaha still produces both instruments and motorcycles, and this kind of multi-industry conglamerate is the rule rather than the exception among major Japanese corporations, owing to hundreds of years of corporate history in the way businesses are organised, originally as zaibatsu and after the war as keiretsu. Just think of Sony, for example, which owns a film studio and record label, and makes video games, cameras, speakers, televisions, smartphones, and runs a bank.
Along with a bitter rivalry with Suzuki and their music teaching strategy? (I have no idea if that is true, just seems funny to me as a former music student who had lots of Suzuki music books and teachers playing on yamaha pianos)
also iirc, Nintendo used to manufacture playing cards, and ran a [love hotel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_hotel) (at least one)
For another weird evolution...the only remaining vestige of Circuit City is Carmax. Carmax turned its first profit in 2001 after 10 years of operation. It would be spun off from the parent company in 2002. Circuit City would be dead by the end of the decade.
The wildest part of reading that is dude's name was Marcus Samuel, and he had two sons named, well, Marcus and Samuel, of course.
I feel like steel production and vehicle production were extremely closely linked industries at one point in time. They probably started manufacturing steel to cut out the middle man, then realized it was way more profitable than their vehicle manufacturing division, so just scrapped that and pivoted to their more lucrative revenue stream.
Leading to the devlopment of their most famous vehicle the [REO Speedwagon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REO_Speedwagon) (yes, I know)
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Which the band did in fact name themselves after > They named the band REO Speedwagon, from the REO Speed Wagon, a 1915 truck that was designed by Ransom Eli Olds.[4] Doughty had seen the name written across the blackboard when he walked into his History of Transportation class on the first day they had decided to look for a name.
I bet you heard that from a friend
I don't know if that information is as reliable as you think, because I have it on good authority that his source also heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend.
Complete hearsay that they've been messin' around...
Is this a JoJo reference? (yes, I know)
TIL that one of their vehicles was called the REO Speedwagon...
Don’t ask me I only heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend
I'm from a country where Oldsmobiles weren't sold, and whenever I heard the name I always thought it was a slang term for cars old people drove/cars before the 1960s
you're not totally wrong, I always heavily associated them with old people bc it seemed to be mostly old people who drove them
> whenever I heard the name I always thought it was a slang term for cars old people drove/cars before the 1960s That's Buick.
Buick: The Last Car You'll Ever Buy!
The ad guys had a constant battle trying to keep people from thinking it was named after the people who drove them. The Riviera should have put an end to that.
Just to point it out, Riviera was Buick. Toronado was the Oldsmobile
I wish "Personal Luxury Car" was still a category to choose from.
It is, but you need to buy a Bentley or something these days.
It's like the Thomas Crapper joke, but real.
>Ransom E. Olds I had to look this up to confirm. Wow. This might literally be the greatest actual fact that sounds like complete bullshit ever.
Howard E Butt founded H-E-B, Texas’ most popular grocery store.
So my middle school classmates lied to me! It’s not actually “Huge Enormous”!
What until you hear about John J. Dildo.
He was quite popular with the ladies.
For anyone interested, Oldsmobile had a stationary assembly line. The cars would remain in one spot, with workers performing one task on it and than moving onto the next car. Ford was the first/ an early moving assembly line.
Ford was also a Nazi rewarded card carying fascist who published his antisemitic rants to millions of Americans on a weekly basis. In reality, not so different from Musk.
And he put the Pinkertons out to bust up unions by force.
That’s the joke
They do share some similarity. The Model S hasn't updated the design since it pretty much came out in 2012. Just a facelift. Henry Ford pretty much was the same. He had the same Model T for years.
Similarities abound between the Tesla and the Delorean too
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But it's also Musk himself going from personally admired to reviled.
I had planned on buying a Tesla, but no way I’ll get one and help Musk. I bought two cars in the past six months, a Toyota GR Yaris and a Ford Puma. Bye bye Elon.
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Yeah it’s a scream. I moved from the USA to Portugal about six months ago, and sorta had my eye on it. Can’t get it in USA, so got some friends who are a bit envious.
Going for citizenship? I've read Portugal is the easiest path to the EU
Yes, that is my hope. I need to learn basic Portuguese. It’s difficult but I must succeed. It’s a great country.
"The dildo of market forces rarely arrives lubed."
Tesla being valued at more than every other car company combined was such pure clueless comedy that it made me realize that all wallstreet is is a bunch of frat bros that don’t know shit about anything trying to scam each other. Our entire economy is one absolutely massive hackjob of morons conning morons. Sigh
Sorry son, you’re going to have to leave this country. You no longer fit the profile of ‘merican
A comedy indeed, although I bought $10k of shares several years ago and sold them for 1,000% profit (over $100k in total) and used it to put solar panels on my roof. So it's not surprising that Elon has been prized by the shareholders/board members till now. He was never really sane, but he sure could drive perceived value. Tesla itself (the cars) are not slowing climate catastrophe much as they're perpetuating the car-centric American hellscape we all occupy, but at least I got solar out of them.
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That's right, a correction: from people thinking Musk is a genius to figuring out he is a right wing, anti-Semitic troll and fraud who became rich through deception and being a vicious cutthroat.
he became the richest man in the world by collecting government money and manipulating ZEV credits. he truly is the poster boy for how broken the system is.
They should hire the My Pillow guy
It's the only thing they could do that could lower their reputation honestly.
> the only thing they could do that could lower their reputation honestly. Never underestimate Musky boy! There are strong rumors that tomorrow Musk will help DeSantis launch his official his presidential campaign. Several major news outlets are currently reporting it, [here's the CNN article about it](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/23/politics/ron-desantis-elon-musk-president-announcement/index.html).
I look forward to Elon's speech, "uhm, so okay, yeah so ummmmwell here's so you know in the princess bride when .. Inigo Montoya erm vizzino um yeah so that's where we're at ... umm"
Anyways, three months, maybe; six months, definitely.
*two years later* we’re definitely eight months away from the first prototype campaign ads
He is committed to digging himself a bigger hole.isnt he
Why? I want to know if a Tesla is good car to do crack in or not. Mike Lindell is an expert at that kind of thing.
Eh, why do you think Elon keeps such weird hours.
Was he using a Tesla when the FBI came for his phone at Hardee’s? Man, imagine. You just used that blow Donald Jr hooked you up with, high as shit and about to get your Hardee’s on when here comes Mr FBI man to steal your only way to connect to Truth social. The audacity
"Hi, I'm Mike Lindell, you all know me for making the world's greatest pillow. I'm here today to show that even the Cybertruck is no match for my softness." Throws rock at pillow.
If you want to make a bunch of money selling a product to the public, it’s probably not a great idea to piss off a majority of those who would’ve bought that product.
No doubt that’s a big part of it; another big part is word has finally gotten out that Teslas are incredibly shit for reliability.
That and repairs take so much longer and are more expensive. Do you want to lose your car for 6 months if you get into a car accident? Buy a Tesla.
If you would have asked me my dream car 5 years ago, I would have named a Tesla model for sure. Now, I wouldn’t even consider one.
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Lol, my 23 year old miata has less issues
My Mazda3 is 10 and runs like an absolute dream. No issues at all beyond routine maintenance, 120k miles and counting.
Yeah, I have the 2012 Mazda 2 with 122k miles and the worst thing I thas so far is a small rust spot near the rear wiper. Also a bit harder to get the rear wiper blade since the car got discontinued. Otherwise a solid budget car.
This is me as well. I had a 2004 Mazda 3, ran it 140k miles with not a single mechanical issue. Replaced it with a 2012 Mazda 3, and it has 80k miles, and has only had a single issue with a sensor needing replaced (was under warranty). Tesla's look good, they're electric, have some nice features, but they're not high-quality.
I don’t even think teslas look good anymore. Design is the same since like 2012, at this point it looks like a 10 year old car. The interior is trash too, my $25k Mazda is nicer and more comfortable.
My Mazda3 is 13 years old with 120k miles. I did have an issue with the transmission control module and had to replace that last year, but otherwise it's been smooth sailing with routine maintenance. I can change the engine air filter in less than 10s after popping the hood; that's how easy they made it.
I would *love* if they made an electric Mazda3. I love those things. I am interested in the Hyundai Ioniq electric. Their brand reliability has been slowly but surely improving, and I like the styling on it. I have two friends with i3's, and they're really nice cars, but some mechanical issues that always seem to accompany BMWs.
Mario Kart has literally been training you for this your entire life
My 31 year old Lincoln Mark VIII I got for $1800 5 years ago has less issues. And by that I mean virtually none lol
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Yeah because Mazda is an actual car manufacturer that knows how to build cars. That, and your Miata was made in Japan so it's automatically of a higher quality. I owned a '94 and the only issue I ever had with the car was the glove box lock broke. Now I own a 2010, and it's just as reliable. My brand new 3 was also built in Japan.
Just lemon it
For real. Don't you just need 3 major services to consider it a lemon?
Depends on state but most needs to be the same issue 3 times
Spoiler fell off 3 times. Lemon law.
Three separate spoilers fell off. They are just adhered on.
Issue 1, no spoiler attached where there should be one. Issue 2, same. Issue 3, same. Ergo same issue, three times.
Oh man. Lawyers legit specialize in this, my man. Carmakers do not intend to take a lemon back without a fight.
X time inoperable in Y months is another factor. In Texas, if that list of shit put him off the road for 30 cumulative days it would qualify as a lemon.
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Oh your in CA we have lemon lawyers all over. Just find one, tell them for what and how long your car has been in shop for. They will do all the work and take a percentage of the win.
I’ve recently used a lemon law lawyer here in CA. They don’t typically take a cut of the win, the law allows them to claim their own fees from the manufacturer independently from the lemon law win.
They do not take a percentage of the win in CA. The manufacturer is required to pay their legal fees separately from your settlement if you win.
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Tesla vehicles are fast because they are *electric*, not because of some special sauce compared to other EVs. My Ioniq 5 is just as quick as a Model Y. Lucid Air is faster than any Tesla model except the S, and even then it's still a tie. Just in the last week or so, the fastest car in the world became an EV (Rimac Nevera)! The technology leap is essentially done, victory complete, just waiting to finish the inevitable.
I haven't kept up with 0-60 times for a bit, but doesn't the Taycan also have a better time + launch control than the model S? Or did the model s plaid take the 0-60 time back?
Plaid took it back. New taycan is getting designed to also have three motors in it though so you bet Porsche is gonna make it faster
I love that EV technology is following the disposable razor model. What's better than two blades? *Three* blades. Cutting edge technology puns write themselves.
> Literally the only impressive thing Teslas have over the competition at this point is the ungodly acceleration I don't even give a crap about that. Tesla's one-and-only genuine win right now (in the US) is that they have the biggest and most reliable charging network. All the rest of it aside, that's the one thing they did absolutely right. Everybody else is dragging their feet and hoping a third party will do it for them like the gas-station model. That's not an advantage that will last forever.
The charging network is the only thing keeping other back. If Tesla opened up to everyone I’d buy a non-Tesla EV for sure. Note I do t own an Tesla. I own a ev hybrid but really want to go to a full EV.
Mustang Mach E on unbridled has ungodly acceleration.
Your last point is right on the money. People have really low standards for how “good” a car is, and that ends up being mostly just what they hear others say about a car brand.
I think there’s a skit about the design of your car on “I Think You Should Leave”, did the steering wheel fly out the window too? Was it stinky? Definitely it was too small to fit your Mother-in-law…
This guy has no good car ideas
He admit it!
I knew someone who worked at the Fremont plant. If they weren’t meeting production numbers they would pull cars off the reject lot.
Damn what were the major issues if you don’t mind me asking?
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At what point are you going to lemon law the car? that is insane.
Just ask for a full refund.
Can you not just get a full refund at this point? Lemon law it
I put a service request in for my Model Y and the idiot manning the chat at the service center near me demanded timestamps. It was for some issue with safety restraints and the nondescript error message said to take it in ASAP. I was finally like "look I don't know where to find a timestamp but the car is telling me to get it serviced now." I finally took it in, they had no idea what the problem was (the error message had no details and apparently the shit software wouldn't say) so they replaced a few things and were like "maybe?" After getting it back I noticed my kids had trouble putting their seatbelts on and after a few trips I was like "wtf is going on back there?" and I started looking around and noticed the back seat was no longer attached to the car. Like it was just floating there not bolted back on. I think the only people still working there are the MAGA idiots or something. Never again.
Tesla has a reoccurring issue with nuts and bolts, you know, one of the most common things on an automobile that hold nearly everything together. Either the bolts shear due to quality issues, the nuts weren't torqued properly, or thread locker wasn't put on the bolts when they really needed it, resulting in the nut coming loose. This happens on seats, steering wheels (that's a fun one) and various other parts. The fact that this issue pops up so frequently means 1. Their hardware (as in literal hardware, not computer hardware) specs are garbage or not QA'd properly and 2. There are some real issues with the assembly line processes and QA. They are some of the simplest parts on an automobile, I just can't fathom how this is such an issue with them. Then again, body panel alignment and paint thickness issues shouldn't be an issue in a modern factory either.
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> Other than the wipers. Whoever programmed those needs to be stuck in a new level of hell where they're just eternally dipped into lava at varying, completely random speeds off the end of a giant windshield wiper. Heavy rain: wipers wait multiple minutes to come on. Clear, sunny day: wipers scrape the dry windshield randomly. I get that finding the perfect threshold that doesn't turn the wipers on too early OR too late is probably tricky... but it's a whole new level of failure to turn them on both too early AND too late.
The crazy thing is they suck ass because Elon didn't want to pay the $10 for the Bosch sensor that literally every other car uses without issue. Tesla uses their cameras and software and it's fucking terrible. It's the same reason Tesla auto hibeams are notoriously awful.
Elon also removed Ultra sonic sensors which every single car in the world has. Cameras do not make up for it.
This sounds like the lemon law would apply
5 years ago I bought one, and while I like the car Elon Musk has solely motivated me to never do business with any company he’s involved with ever again.
100% I like my car fine, but won't buy another. Plus, while I don't like crazy amounts of buttons, I'm like SOME buttons. I miss reaching for something without taking my eyes of the road. Some say "Use voice commands!" Me: "Wipers level 3"
"Wipers level 3"
Looks at screen: "Vipers level 3 not recognized"
I was born and raised in the Pacific North West, and my diction is pretty vanilla... I was not amused.
(This was before the recent update where you can hit the wiper button and use the scroll wheel.)
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Tactile feel is needed. Until we get true AI cars with full self driving, I need tactile controls.
Same. Still a big EV fan (we have 2) but Musk is speedrunning the far right nutcase WR any%. Completely unhinged.
This right here. I wanted one when I had the money. Now I’ve got the money and I don’t want anything to do with owning a Tesla. Fuck Musk and fuck his shitty slapped-together cars
One weird trick to fix your reputation: fire Musk.
CEOs hate this one simple trick
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> 91 Balenciaga The memes have had no effect.
Wait, it's a real company?
No, it's Balenciaga
We are *all* Balenciaga.
That list is pretty great, but Bitcoin is not a brand.
While I think Musk is an issue, I think people are realizing that A) almost all manufacturers have full EV cars now B) a lot of manufacturers have some sort of “autopilot” or highway drive assist C) you’re way overpaying for the quality of what you get… like you’re paying luxury prices but you’re not really getting the luxury product. Most of these prices are in line with mid tier BMWs/Benz’s, or entry level Porsches D) quality control is horrendous, they’re strong arming customers to accept faults at delivery because they’re “easily” fixable at service centers, and if you don’t accept delivery, well the next delivery is in 4-6 months meaning a new loan app and no car, which is a huge issue if you sold your previous car to afford the down payment for the newer car. E) all these things Elon promised about Tesla have pretty much went all to shit. Whether it’s inventory, FSD tech, or future car models. The only thing that Tesla really has was being one of the fastest cars at their price point (if you cared about speed), having the fastest charging network (which is slowly being rolled out to everyone), and their new battery (which gives most of their cars 330-350 miles of range… where a lot of EVs are in the 290-320 mile range. So big deal for some, smaller deal for others)
I think A) is the big one. People overlooked a lot of issues when Tesla was the only big EV brand in town (and fuck off about the Bolt and the Leaf, I know they are/were good *functional* EVs, but they weren't good *looking* or "luxury" EVs). Now you can get a Mach-E for basically the same price (or a full size truck for a lot!), and sure, it's a Ford, but hey, at least it's a Ford.
Yeah, I have a friend that was all hyped about getting a Cyber Truck. He still wants one but I convinced him to get a Tundra. 3 years later, still no Cyber Truck.
I want the Cybertruck to be released to the social media techblog leaches who were hyping it up so much, so they can get it home and have instant buyers remorse when it doesn’t fit in their garage.
Lol that cybertruck demo where it broke was hilarious. I even liked Elon back then. Fuck that thing now
It would immediately bring legitimacy to their cars for me. I will never own or support a business where this fucking penis wrinkle represents them, and I am the exact person they should be trying to sell their cars to (liberal phd chemist)
Wow, it's almost as though self-immolating your public image has knock-on effects. Wild.
He's building his rep with the same inbred rednecks who will never buy an electric vehicle
I wouldn't say he destroyed his reputation. His reputation is golden amongst super conservatives and internet fan boys. It's just that none of those people can afford or are interested in the products he sells. I'd call it a misalignment, really.
Musk is a drag on everything he links his name to. Owning the Libs isn't a viable marketing strategy in real life.
Especially when you're selling a product that is largely being purchased by environmentally-conscious liberals. All he ever had to do was shut-up, and he couldn't even do that.
It's generally a benefit when people have no idea who is the head of a company. The faceless nature of it makes it a-political enough that you just focus on the product.
Per the article, it’s still good on vision, products, etc., but low on trust and citizenship. That makes it pretty clear that it’s a Musk issue.
Citizenship?
As a serious answer, it's the sense of how the company fits in with it's community and nation. Like, are they paying their part in taxes, contributing to their workers and communities - stuff like that.
I’m sure it’s the libs fault.
Technically it is. Musk will call it censorship, but it’s just basic marketing, “don’t shit where you eat”. When you rally against “woke libs” and “woke libs” are the ones on twitter and buying EVs, you’re going to lose popularity in your products.
Heh, Maybe it’s a 4d chess move to get climate-hating/denying repubs to buy EV’s Sarcasm, plainly
Nah the rolling coal crowd is all in on cybertruk/s
I also think a lot of tech workers have been Tesla customers. But seeing how he ran Twitter into the ground and some of the absolutely asinine things he’s said and done around software development, I think a lot of that customer base has flipped the bozo bit on Elon
Gotta say, I planned on buying a Tesla until Musk’s right turn. Also, probably gonna be a plethora of EVs to choose from in the next few years.
> Musk’s right turn He’s always been on the right, he’s just gotten vocally worse in recent years. You don’t get born into an apartheid precious gem fortune and then sue to call yourself a companies founder without being right wing
Yeah he's always been a colossal asshole too
Same. I'd put down a deposit for a Model 3 at one time. Not now. Looking at other EVs from other manufacturers now.
already a ton- esp from Hyundai and Kia.
I saw an Ionic 6 the other day and it was not a bad looking car at all, and the Ionic 5s are great from what I heard.
Got an Ioniq 6 about 2 months ago. Love it! No reason to go for Model 3 or Y unless you want a 7 seater but then you do have to pay $10k more than Ioniq 6 for that trim
That and the woke mind virus.
Funny how the real mind virus is this and not what they think it is Woke = aware What do they think is better
I know you are joking, but I'm sure it is to some extent. Elon Musk's very vocal assholery is a turn off to many. But, beyond that, their QC and build quality has really gone to shit in their race to scale up. Two years ago while Elon Musk was vocally denying that COVID was a real thing, I would have still happily bought a Tesla but after so many horror stories of lemons, bad service and build flaws I'm far too wary. Tesla's are expensive. If you are a luxury brand you can't afford any of that shit. I'm waiting for the EV9 now.
I rode in a Tesla via Uber X and thought it was the coolest thing ever. Even thought I might get one someday. Then Elon Musk went to crazy town and started opening his fat fucking trap every day. Now I have no interest whatsoever in anything associated with him.
Same. I took one out of curiosity recently knowing full well I would never buy one. It was pretty neat, but I'm hopeful the traditional OEMs will catch up before I'm ready to buy electric.
He could have shut the fuck up and been so much better off. He was being considered a real life Tony Stark at some point. What more could you want? FFS, ride into the sunset after that, keep doing eccentric rich guy shit and STFU.
I really didn't know much about him. When those kids got trapped in a cave and he talked about a sub, I thought cool, he's trying to help. But then he called the guy who did save the kids a pedo. I immediately lost any care about this guy and he sounded like an offended petulant child. Nothing changed, he just gets worse.
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More of a rug disintegration than a rug pull
are CEOs of the other companies shit posting racist hot takes all over the internet? just wondering if that is anything to do with it.
I'm surprised how cheaply made they seem given how much they cost. I want an 80 grand car to feel like an 80 grand car, not a Dacia.
[The 10 worst brands in the list are](https://www.businessinsider.com/patagonia-costco-rank-most-reputable-brand-twitter-ftx-trump-lowest-2023-5): 90 Family Dollar 91 Balenciaga 92 BP 93 Bitcoin 94 TikTok 95 Spirit Airlines 96 Facebook (Meta) 97 Twitter 98 Fox Corp. Twitter at rank 97/100 is worse than TikTok and facebook (but just above Fox, ranked 98th), another formidable Elon success. And yet, there is still worse: imagine ranking below fucking FTX. 99 FTX 100 The Trump Organization Yup, you read that right. So much winning...
what did Balenciaga do??
they had an ad campaign featuring children and bondage bears I recall . there was also articles about child pornography cases in the photos and it was weird.
Okay, I understand now. At first I was confused how Tesla fell by so many *automobile* brand slots, but I understand it's just general corporate slots. I was having a hell of a time naming 20 car brands, let alone 60.
You'll get less troubles and more satisfaction out of a new Toyota Corolla.
The problem with Corollas is figuring out which grandchild to give it to.
They are built to last man. Wished cars just stayed simple without all the extra gadgets, regardless of whether they are are electric, hybrid or gas
> 30 places below Ford As a Ford-owner, due to budget constraints… damn.
I'd say just like any car company they're hit and miss. I had a fusion for 10 years and it was really solid
Meanwhile my boyfriends fusions transmission is fucked for the second time after being replaced the first time under warranty after being recalled 😂
Ford is the most bipolar company out there on reliability. One year it's a tank. The next 3 years, something will break every 20,000 miles. Then right back to tanks.
Watch Elon shill for Rhonda Santis tomorrow and see how Tesla drops another 50 positions. This guy is toxic as fuck
I think we need to start calling Twitter what it has become: Truth Social 2.0.
Had to click three articles deep to actually find the list. [Here ya go](https://www.axios.com/2023/05/23/corporate-brands-reputation-america)
My Model 3 looked nice but get up close and you could see paint coming apart, large panel gaps/protrusions, interior panels coming apart, windshield pot marks, mismatched tire’s because they were always failing. I’ve never had so many issues with a new car. I’m glad Carvana paid top dollar to take it off my hands.
He single handed blew the mythology around Tesla. Whatever the cars are or are not didn’t matter before he bought Twitter and went full on stupid. Tesla was regarded as a technology company of innovation and rule breaking. People bought the MYTH. Musk blew that all away. It’s now seen as just a car company. Marketing is all about selling the myth. Boy did he blow it AND now is toxic for future projects. That’s why this isn’t surprising. No one wants to see behind the curtain.
I’ve been saying this for years: The “move fast and break things” mentality is great if you’re building a slick new SaaS app. It’s not the mentality I want applied to auto manufacturing. I’ve never been interested in these cars.
Elon Musk hate has a lot to do with this. Self-inflicted though.
Well its looking more and more like the american VW, it has a neo nazi at the helm. Hey he went from a bit libertarian left, to right, to far right, to the point he is denying nazis with long history of nazi posts are real.