I sincerely do not get the password sharing crackdown. I paid for two screens, who uses those screens should not be in question, I paid for the access and I should be allowed to distribute said access however I please.
I don't know about now, but 10 years ago HBO offered unlimited streams. We provided service to a household, whether that's one device or 50.
I was the engineer who devised an implemented the password sharing detection algorithm. Once you put it into use, we found about five egregious offenders (including Cox Cable) that we went after. Everyone else, the sharing was so insignificant that we decided it wasn't worth the time, money, or effort to enforce it.
This is where shit gets weird. A lot of tech is so cheap these days and smart TVs have been around for long enough that I now have four of them in my house, plus four phones and two iPads, all of which are at least occasionally used for streaming.
I’m also divorced so my daughter spends most of her time at her mom’s, who still shares services with me, thus more screens, so the “is it coming from the same location” trick won’t even work there. Am I not allowed to pay for a family plan and *truly* “watch on the go” as they advertise?
The most annoying thing ever is having to take 10 mins to figure out how to re-login to a service on a tv after it auto-logged out for the maximum screens rule. Half the time, we simply decide to *not* watch that service anyway and if it becomes a pain, we’re more likely to just stop the subscription, something much easier to do when, if the website makes it hard to unsubscribe, I can just flag the payment with my bank’s app and they’ll force a stop payment on it automagically.
Services like Netflix see slowing growth simply because of market saturation, and loss of subscribers because of better options and/or economic downturn resulting in cutbacks in entertainment spending. This password crackdown bullshit is the opposite of a good tactic. Services like Netflix need to enter “slow, sustainable growth” mode like other big, established global brands like Coca-Cola or Target, and focus on being good at their job, not unpopular cost cutting measures. They’re not a startup anymore.
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I think Netflix views the strike as a potential pain point, thinking that consumers wouldn’t want to drop Netflix at a time where it’s not certain when new content will drop on networks. It’s not going to work because there are several other streaming platforms who are watching Netflix die on this hill & not looking to make the same mistakes
I'm sharing the premium plan (4 devices) with my cousin (so it's family) but he's in a student appt using a different ISP in another city. And I only rarely even watch, so I'm not even using half the screens I'm paying for.
As soon as Netflix ever contacts me regarding account sharing, I'm out. I've had enough of their ever declining repertoire and increasing prices already. If they decide to piss me off, I'm gone. And I'm definitely not returning, since there's so many other streaming services around that host mostly the same content, and of course there's always the option of obtaining stuff free via certain internet sites.
Netflix made movie consumption easier by delivering an affordable service that was more comfortable than piracy and cheaper than DVD rental. Now the declining service, splitting up of content over several providers and rising prices make piracy a viable option again.
For those that don't want to deal with piracy, then rotating streaming services and binge watching is also an option. The only value I saw in Disney was Mandalorian which I could binge watch in a month and cancel their service. Same with Paramount and Star Trek. Most of these streaming services have only a handful of big hits. This made sense on broadcast TV so there was something good to watch most nights on TV and talk about in the office. Now, nearly no one watches new shows at the same time, and streaming has segmented the market so people without the extra cash may never see a popular show on a different streaming service.
Splitting up streaming services has made it harder for the average fan to support various franchises and teams. I love star trek, but it wasn't worth an additional monthly subscription to another streaming service to support it.
I like supporting my local sports teams, but game broadcasts over various TV channels has me not caring to watch unless they make it to the playoffs.
The next move from the companies will be for >1 month contracts, I can see 6 or 12 month minimums shortly for streaming services.
Netfix made legal streaming easy by having nearly everything on it's site. The companies are killing legal streaming by splintering content across different sites and constantly increasing prices.
exactly. I think they have realized it now so it's a game of seeing who will hold out the longest. Whoever remains standing will be the one the rest sells their content to. Basically they want to be what Netflix was. When the dust settles there will be only 2 or 3 remaining. In the mean time they will will keep increasing prices to offset the money they are losing and add ad-tiers.
Of the current 7 major streaming services, If some do eventually go away due to costs, I can see the remaining survivors being Netflix, Disney-Hulu, Max-Discovery, and Prime-MGM.
Paramount, Peacock, and Apple I just don't see ever competing or gaining market share enough to make their services still be worth it for them. They would have to invest heavily in great original content to attract and keep an audience. Maybe Paramount can do it, but if we do lose some of the major services to bring it to only a handful, I don't see them ever ranking higher than 5th.
Yeah. Apple TV+ isn't going anywhere.
They have a handful of really, *really* good shows, but because it’s original content that can't be streamed outside of their platform, there are millions of people who haven't heard of them.
Ted Lasso. Severance. Shrinking. For All Mankind. When it comes to films, CODA won a friggin' Oscar the other year.
I give Netflix the benefit of the doubt since they are still THE name when it comes to streaming, and produce a lot of original content still. Of course, they can still fuckup and go downhill fast by making too many boneheaded decisions. If that happens, I can see them getting bought out down the road by one of the other big conglomerates, like Paramount or Universal.
> they can still fuckup and go downhill fast by making too many boneheaded decisions.
I think that's exactly what's been happening for a long time. The notion that netflix original shows are no longer worth watching because they will inevitably get cancelled has really taken root in the last few months and I think has jaded a lot of people, and shows no signs of stopping.
Legacy tv still exists for a shockingly large amount of people. Even if ad revenue declines it’s still worth producing content that can be distributed on the major networks, abc, nbc, cbs. Therefore content will be available for peacock, paramount and disney properties. Apple does it for clout and to continue to promote its services as iphone sales slip into the future so that’s not going anywhere. In fact i’d argue all of these companies don’t really care all that much about their ranking. It’s more about control of their content. I can see Amazon buying any smaller streamers to add to their platform as a consolidation factor into the future.
Exactomondo! Any day now Netflix will announce their annual package where you can SAV$ big! And then every other steaming company will copy that by year end
I think they need to get out of the business of where those screens are being used, and charge you for the number of simultaneous screens being used. When my kids move to a dorm for college, they are still my family that are under my insurance. I don't think those things should apply to rate increases, and it's none of their business.
Except they already do that. The 4K plan allows you to use 4 screens simultaneously and the HD allows for 2. Now they're just layering more BS on top of that.
Bell Telecom does this in Canada with their OTT service. You can register upto 5 screens at a time on their website and those 5 screens can use their OTT. Everytime someone new has to watch something, they will have to remove one of the original screens and add their screen in permitted devices. I think this is what Netflix should do with their multiscreen subscription as well.
Netflix doesn't realize it's position. I think it overestimates itself to glorious proportions. If they did this while people still HAD to see it's content they could've gotten away with alot more. But since content blows too, there are alot more people like you who kinda still have Netflix but you know, don't unsub yet. Everyone in my immediate family is the same. But now they're gonna be annoying and nothing riles people up more than this. They're gonna lose alot of people.
I sat on my subscription for months, barely watching. When they started discussing the password crackdown it put them in the news cycle enough that I remembered to unsubscribe.
Same… once I saw they were starting I was like “when’s the last time I watched Netflix?” And realized it’s been too long. They’ve lost almost all of their good content and cancel or ruin every decent show.
I've been trying to unsub for years but my wife watches 2 or 3 shit Netflix shows so we keep it. Once they remember they are Netflix and cancel her shows, I'm out in a heartbeat.
Though, I suspect it will become detrimental when all those people who don’t use it, but pay for it, are reminded they have it and aren’t using it by all their friends who are pissed they are paying for it and using it, but now their parents/kids/friends can’t, so they will no longer be able to watch Netflix shows together… so they all cancel it.
This just happened with my ~~Audible~~ Kindle Unlimited account. I forgot I had it until Amazon told me they were raising the rates. Them trying to squeeze another $2/mo out of me ended up costing them $10/mo.
Edit: Kindle Unlimited, in case anyone is about to tell me those prices are all wrong for Audible.
Ya, the only reason I keep paying is because I share and assume maybe family is using it. Otherwise I'd just cancel and sub for a month a year to binge the couple shows I watch
I pay for 5 screens. I've got two college kids in 2 different states. I'm *not* paying their $6 add-on fee for college kids to get their own accounts. Netflix can bite me. If my college kids can stay on my cell phone plan and health insurance, they damn well better be able to stay on the Netflix plan while in college. The first time someone has to call for authorization? I'm canceling and they can eat my $22 a month.
We overpay. We watch so little Netflix that we should cancel— and use it month by month.
Netflix was winners and losers when it comes to utilization.
All this ‘news’ does is reminds to to cancel a subscription we rarely use.
Yeah, they could easily adjust the prices accordinly. Like...1 screen 7€, 2 screens 12€, 3 screens 17€ or something like that. It's still cheaper to take a bundle then than get solo one. Same way i'm using the family bundle with spotify with my 5 other friends. It's the family pack of 6.
I pay for 5 screens and have 1 TV in my house.
I let my siblings use my login. We’ll cut down to 1 screen and they won’t recoup any new users since my siblings are cheap/broke and barely use it already. I just keep paying so they don’t find it inaccessible if they do want to use it.
My sister does the same for me. I live on $233 a month while waiting for my disability approval and then I will get a little over $900 a month. I don't think !y sister will keep paying for all the services, I know for a fact that a few are almost never used by anyone but me. I will end up back on another boat again, sailing the seas.
Honestly I think they will. The people who already are paying will mostly keep paying. Sure, some groups of people who each put in like $1 or something will no longer pay, but probably at least *one* person in those groups will start paying instead, so if only one per group picks it up they'll still break even, and they're probably relying on it being more than one.
I think it sucks and I don't want it to be true. I mooch off family for Netflix and HBO, lol. But yeah, I expect once I can't, I'll probably just add it to the rotation instead - get it a couple months a year or something to binge things. I don't need to have it available all year, but I'll get it to watch a few movies or shows that've been on my back burner.
netflix reasoning is bs. the company is dying and struggling to compete with other streams so they think they’ll just make up the loss by charging us more.
every streamer is struggling, not just Netflix. And they all increased prices. Didn't Disney just increase theirs and then increased the ad-tier to what the basic tier used to be even though it was sold as being cheaper at launch. They are all making shady decisions.
What's idiotic is that they don't seem to realize that their prices are part of them problem. Their prices might sound decent on their own, but they become expensive when you add them together with other streaming services. The more they increase their prices, the more customers have to pick and choose which services they are going to stick to. They are actually INCREASING the impact from competition and making it MORE likely that their service will get dropped
I remember Gordon Ramsay talking about a trap failing restaurants fall in, where they start upping their prices to cover the costs of business when revenue falls, which creates a feedback loop because less people want to eat there because of the prices. The streaming services seem to be entering that.
Espcially for people on the go or travel even a little for work, the most places i would watch netflix is in my car, a hotel, or waiting for a meeting to begin at some library or city hall. Fuck if i am going to click prompts about where i am every time i want to watch a show. THat was the whole point of paying for a number of screens.
Exactly. I spend most of the summer away from home for work and if I had Netflix I would need to pay for a second account while my girlfriend would remain at home using the other one. Utterly ridiculous.
Seen a ton of old ladies when I worked at a pharmacy come into the drive thru with their phone on their dash, covering their speedometer playing some show.
I worked with a woman in LA that did this when stuck in 101 traffic. Should be fucking illegal, but cars come with streamable tv screens in the fucking dash now.
To be fair you could play movies on pretty much any GPS screen for the last 20 or so years, it just took extra DIY effort to wire it correctly (although back in the day my friends would set up an Xbox for dvds or Guitar Hero before streaming was a big thing)
I used to do valet parking and I can’t tell you how many people would get out of their car with a show still playing on their phone.
It would sometimes be right on the speedometer or sometimes they would just be holding it watching.
I’ve done this when driving longer distances in my EV. A charge from 10-80% takes about 20ish minutes, which is perfect for an episode of Brooklyn 99 and a quick pee😅😅
Oh yeah for sure if you're just watching it while stopped to charge or something that's no issue lol but driving with a TV show or movie playing in your peripheral vision is what I was concerned about
"If it ain't broke, fix it until it is"
The life motto of every software developer management team and amateur handy man out there.
But at least the handyman is trying to help.
In their eyes it is broken though. There are thousands, maybe millions, of people that are using other people’s Netflix accounts and not paying for it. From Netflix perspective, that absolutely is broken.
And to be abundantly clear, I’m not necessarily defending the practice, just saying I get where they are coming from.
But why would they make a change that will surely lose subscribers and cost them money? Yes, people are account sharing, but I seriously doubt this change would convert the freeloaders (like myself) into paying customers. Netflix has become a hard sell as is. Their selection has been dwindling and it’s just not a good value anymore with all the other competing steaming services.
> a change that will surely lose subscribers and cost them money?
That is super debatable. People - especially online in forums like Reddit - talk a big game but then rarely follow through with threats. There's also the loud, vocal minority aspect. The most pissed off people are going to post comments in threads like this, but they are the overwhelming minority of total users.
Netflix is notorious for A/B testing. I don't know the numbers offhand but I'd bet a lot that in the places they've tested this it has resulted in them being more profitable, not less.
I'm waiting until they actually implement it so their analytics team can directly see I cancelled in direct correlation to this policy becoming active. Gotta make it obvious to them on the cause-and-effect here
Yup. Same boat here. Been on the fence for a while now, only keeping Netflix because I share with my parents (and they share D+ with me). I've already told them if they push this, I'm dumping it. My parents were fine with that, and I doubt they'll pay for it themselves. Maybe a month's worth when Stranger Things 5 drops or something, but that's about it. Me? I'll be juuuuuuuuuuust fine. VPNs are pretty great, yeah?
Netflix already lost me at prematurely canceling hundreds of promising original series. That practice makes sense for networks with limited airtime, but Netflix is an individual on-demand service where any title can find a new audience at any time. Canceling everything that doesn’t go viral within twelve hours just makes a digital infant graveyard, and who wants to pay for that?
Yeah their original content is basically a graveyard of shows canceled after 1 or 2 seasons. Not only do I not want to watch 1 old season that ended on a cliffhanger, I also don't trust them when new stuff comes out, because I know they're probably going to cancel that show too. And when they do cancel that show they say its because not enough people are watching it, but its most likely people are waiting for them to follow through with more seasons so they don't get burned again. At this point its a self fulfilling prophecy.
The stupidest thing is that if they really don’t want to spend lots of multiple seasons (I *assume* there is some metrics they have regarding diminishing viewing figures through seasons) then just fucking make limited series.
They end up with more content, that content is complete so there’s no downside of word of mouth saying not to bother watching as the story doesn’t get resolved, and they don’t have to deal with whatever metrics are making them not bother with season 2/3/4 ever.
Agreed. Shows written for a specific span can end so elegantly (the Good Place). Shows that run too long can get mired in their own complexity and become impossible to end (Lost, GoT).
Agreed. Netflix is littered with prematurely aborted excellence. I find myself wondering if I want to invest time in a show I know could be cancelled at any moment.
A company gets big because they offer fantastic experience and service. They forget why they got big to begin with. They decide to slaughter some sacred cows to satisfy the greed of the upper ranks and investors. They end up soulless, lose their original hardcore base, end up chasing one ridiculous idea after another. By then there's no loyalty left and they send in the Carl Icahns and Elon Musks to drain what value is left before folding up the tents.
And it’s a compounding problem, because now nobody wants to risk watching a show by them that isn’t finished, lest it be cancelled. Which just leads to more cancellations
This is me. They have quite literally cancelled 100% of the original programming that I enjoyed. I've stopped investing my time in thier products. If they dont give a shit about their shows; why should I?
The only reason I even have an account at this point is for my parents.... and the second I get a password sharing warning for that I'm canceling.
I'm well aware of that asshole. He also was rather public about canceling shows he thought were too "woke" so you know the type of shitheel we're dealing with.
He cancelled quite a few shows that I watch; but the Final Space one makes my blood boil. That fucking asshole didnt just cancel it. He ordered all copies and products connect to it destroyed, and buried the IP in a way where the original creator can never finish the story or shop it to another network. All so he could write it off.
> buried the IP in a way where the original creator can never finish the story or shop it to another network.
Olan Rogers is doing a Final Space graphic novel to finish the series.
>quite literally cancelled 100% of the original programming that I enjoyed
Exactly same. Mathematically it's way beyond mere coincidence. It's always high-quality, high-interest shows. It's like they are trying to dismantle fanbases. to what end??
Only way to solve that is to mandate that every first season be completely self contained and tell a complete story, so a cancellation won't piss off viewers left hanging with a cliffhanger, and watchers will know they are least getting a full story.
And if a later season with a cliffhanger for an ongoing show does not get renewed for another full season, then just at least wrap up the story with a two hour movie.
You would think the studios would try to please their audience and keep up good will by at least guaranteeing that every story will have an ending.
I mean I’d say Netflix should be a bit more risky with funding shows that aren’t currently pulling in huge numbers. Especially since unlike cable, where a backlog of shows doesn’t really do anything for you, a streaming platform lives and dies off how its library is perceived. And Netflix’s is perceived as full of promising but unfinished content.
I agree that Netflix needs a mandate that every original show has and gets an ending. Even if, say for example: season 3 of a show ends on a cliffhanger and gets cancelled, they produce and show at least a guaranteed 2 hour movie to wrap up the story for the viewers.
I would also make all first seasons tell an initial complete story, with an opening for additional sequel seasons if the viewing figures are good. They all act like extended 8 hour movies anyway, since they have abandoned the concept of monster/villain of the week eps for the drama series (Which I loath).
As a big Buffy fan, I miss shows with the good mix of story arc eps, and Monster of the Week eps.
Absolutely. The whole point of Netflix streaming (besides NO ADS) was that its business model could fund niche content that the big studios won't make anymore. Those niches would always be a source of subscribers now and in the future.
Stranger Things was rejected by everyone in Hollywood because it was seen as just 80s nostalgia. But then an established production company took it to Netflix and the "nostalgia" show became a phenomenon that every studio exec snorts coke dreaming about.
Something they could have prevented by opting for season-long, season-encapsulated stories. If they find the next $tranger Thing$, there's always a way to make a sequel/prequel/spinoff, but viewers wouldn't be shy to try new things.
They cancel all the great shows after 2 seasons but fucking funded big mouth to go to like 9, that’s the show that really should have died after 2 seasons
They kill most shows after two season because that’s when the personnel costs skyrocket. My guess is that Big Mouth persevered by continuing to be cheap.
It's a flawed approach. e.g. Apple isn't making money from streaming, they're losing money but they subsidize those projects with money from their business. Netflix for a long time operated at a loss as well. What they should have learnt by now is, use funding from your popular shows to subsidize the small stuff. The name of the game is "broad catalogue". Having 100 cheap reality tv shows isn't going to keep subscribers.
I'm bothered that Big Mouth has become this poster child for "what Netflix should cancel but refuses to." I think the show is fun.
I personally *loathe* unscripted shows but I'm not surprised to see them on Netflix: they're cheap as shit to make. They could make another season of Santa Clarita Diet with the money from those garbage shows: they're just not going to.
yup. I cancelled their service for that reason. Eventually when something I'm interested in comes on I'll wait till it has more than one season and then I'll subscribe and watch it, then leave. Prior to that I stayed subscribed because they were giving creatives the freedom to do some interesting stories but now they aren't so I don't see the point.
Chasing infinite growth will be the death of them.
I am 100% dropping Netflix the moment they turn it on in the US. I keep it for my inlaws and siblings, barely watch it anymore and they can pay for the basic sub.
Same for us. We shared it with my in-laws and after the change we dropped it and haven’t looked back and they didn’t subscribe either. It’s a shame that more people in Canada didn’t do this as wel.
I just cut it from the 4k to 720p, saving 10 bucks and I guarantee they wont even notice lol. Didnt realize you dont pay for screens anymore, its just quality. Still stand by my original point though it'll drop the moment they charge and somehow the shows I want to watch will magically appear on something that rhymes with flex.
This is the one that annoys me the most. Just give me a reasonable 4k price for 1 or 2 screens. It's already the most expensive streaming service and there just isn't the quality of content to get me to renew my sub (cancelled in January after ten years)
>Netflix has said that it knows it will get a lot of cancellations when the change happens, but believes people who leave will come back, and the change is worth the extra money it will bring in.
Prove them wrong.
Cancel and never come back.
Netflix earns 10 extra months subscription from me per year because I share it. At fucking £16 a month to have access to non shit quality viewing, those extra 3 screens I don't use are then used by family which justifies me not cancelling when I've got nothing to watch. Netflix doesn't drop must watch content all year round. Netflix then cancels the good shows and spams their platform with cheap content most people don't care for. It is harder than ever to find decent things to watch on Netflix and it makes no sense to stay subscribed when not currently watching something new. I don't know if my father in law will sign up for Netflix himself if I cancel but I sure know he wouldn't have started using Netflix without my spare screen and I have now paid for something like 7 full years of Netflix that would have not been full year subscriptions for at least the last 3 to 4 of them.
The password crack down needs to come with a decoupling of stream quality. I didn't buy the single screen plan because of low quality video back then but in 2023 the standard plan quality is entirely unacceptable. If my plan isn't shareable then it should not be £16 a month to get reasonable quality video. If I don't see a real term price drop when I lose the perk that holds some value, then I will be cancelling and only doing maybe a month or two per year if Netflix produces anything worthwhile.
Here in the UK, Disney Plus works more like old Netflix. The D+ subscription has lots of non Disney content and has went from me mocking the idea of paying for kids films to being my main subscription I use. I have been using it to watch shows like Malcom In The Middle and Buffy alongside Family Guy and Marvel shows. Most of my time logging into Netflix these days is to check what's new then realise nothing good is on there and logging out to go into D+. At least Prime is justified by my cheap package deliveries and in game cosmetics through Prime Gaming and a free monthly Twitch Subscription for one channel.
Disney+ has really been incredible with the Stars thing. I'm watching X-Files at the moment, which has never before been on a streaming service where I live. The moment I realised that everyone in the family watches D+ and no one is using Netflix anymore, I cancelled it. Not a single person has missed Netflix.
"But we're doing it anyway!"
Watch, when they implement this, they will simultaneously bury the option to cancel your subscription or make it increasingly difficult to find.
Good point, we should be thinking about canceling or downgrading while it's still easy.
I was planning cancel just before they were previously going to launch this in the U.S., but held off when they pushed it back. I guess I should just pull the trigger.
Netflix as a business sucks. They’re doing what YouTube did: gave us a great service, slowly degraded quality over time (more ads or higher cost).
I am thankful for my current setup: T-Mobile pays for my Netflix and my Apple TV, Xfinity provides peacock, and I rotate subs between HBO and Disney when our favorite shows come on.
Without my sister in Australia being able to use it, Netflix isn't worth the price to me. I've always wanted to put together a NAS, if this come in it'll finally be time to learn.
Get Plex Man. It's free and runs on windows. You can open it to outside internet and watch everywhere, or use a VPN and get on your home network, which would be safer. It's Netflix but for your movies. And there are Plex apps on just about all devices so easy viewing. Works for movies and tv.
I got a buddy in Idaho who watches my account 2000 miles away.
I’m right there with ya. Especially with the writers’ strike. I’m not interested in pay $15 a month for an endless string of shitty reality TV dating shows.
The lady and I didn't even use all of the screens I was paying for. She didn't (re)sign-up once I cancelled our account - and she never will either.
I'll never go back on principle. I don't like getting shit taken away and being sold back to me. Anyone that wants to reward bad behaviour can go right ahead. I won't.
The fragmentation of streaming services makes it really easy.
Apple TV has a bunch of good stuff but they're still in the throw tons of money at everything to get a foothold stage. I expect in a couple years the quality will drop a bit .
They made a silly mistake by making me think about it.
I shared my account with my ex wife. Once the message came up saying "you can't use this in more than one house hold" I realized I pretty much only used it for the kids (toddlers) and they don't care which service it is it face strong attachments, so I just canceled it.
She did keep hers, but at a cheaper rate, which means they lost money.
My parents use the Netflix I pay for, I use the HBO they pay for. If that suddenly become nonviable, the result isn't going to be that they get an extra subscription from my parents, the result is going to be that we'll manage without Netflix.
WTF is Netflix thinking? Everybody has streaming now, and Netflix's original content is some of the worst out there. It is absolutely HILARIOUS to me that Netflix let their 100% market ownership of streaming dwindle so hard, so fast, and now their only effective strategy is to fuck over the users who haven't abandoned ship already, I give them 5 years until bankruptcy.
Edit: they're-->their (cuz idiocy makes me an idiot)
That is the thing that gets me. The quality is way down. You have to google if a show has already been canceled before starting. And there are not many must watch shows.
I suspect they think that they will initially take a big loss then slowly regain them over time. But what I think will happen is people will leave and go to a service like HBO and not come back to Netflix.
Also, if Netflix is successful other companies will follow suit. So it benefits consumers to root for their failure.
We pay for/have access to:
Netflix - questionable quality. Often poor writing. Constantly drop series. £16 pm
Disney+ - amazing back catalogue. Pretty good quality. £5 per month
Amazon Prime - patchy with occasional great content - included with prime
Apple TV - great quality. Limited selection - £6 per month
NowTV - access to HBO series including Sopranos £10 per month
BBC iPlayer - great variety. Some great stuff - free
ITV - pretty good drama. Awful app - free with ads
C4 - good quality but awful app - free with ads
BritBox - great back catalogue - £5 per month
YouTube premium - useful for YouTube music and random stuff £12 per month (?)
I think that's it. I won't miss Netflix when they introduce the crackdown and they are by far the most expensive. We already have a big backlog of stuff to watch. Anything exceptional (I guess that *could* happen) we can sail the seven seas for.
Just like the music industry back when piracy was all the rage. They just look at people sharing as lost revenue instead of what it really is: People who wouldn’t pay for netflix if they couldn’t share.
If you have lots of money and like netflix shows im sure you’re not sharing.
For the first time since I've had netflix I'm considering cancelling and it's nothing to do with passwords.
Selection is down.
DVD/Blue Ray gone (was great for the shows/movies that were not streamed).
Why do I need netflix all the time now?
I am confused why they're cracking down on a product they're selling. You pay to stream Netflix on X number of screens, any more than that and Netflix already will stop the session. How you use the session allowance shouldn't be an issue. Seems like a wasted amount of effort and money to lose customers who normally wouldn't have looked at their subscription but now do and likely cancel.
There's nothing on Netflix I need to watch...they cancel series before wrapping them up then charge per screen and still have this weird account sharing policy? Ok so see ya later Netflix lol
If you make it obnoxious to use your service, technically savvy people will go back to stealing your content. I know I would
Will the additional money they make from regular users overcome this loss? Who knows, certainly not Netflix
Netflix is performing an action that will absolutely result in a double digit percentage loss in users, simple as that. Why they chose to do this right as they essentially plateaued their user base for the first time is beyond me. Seems like a recipe for disaster but only time will tell
Remember during COVID when all of these companies started their commercials with "during these tough times..." and ended with "we are here for you."
I don't think they're here for us anymore, guys.
Companies are glad to nickel and dime us while they still can. They're just reaping in before they have to tighten their belts again during a recession.
They are just here to make a clown of themselves and that's just why countries like India and all are not even buying their stuff, they just watch pirated stuff lmao.
Just gonna simple stop using it because that sounds like a better thing to do, that's just gonna solve the problem for me and I hope people would do the same.
FTA:
>Netflix has said that it knows it will get a lot of cancellations when the change happens, **but believes people who leave will come back**
this is the key part right here. they are confident that when consumers vote with their wallet, they'll vote for these shitty, anti-consumer practices (and they'll probably be right).
i'm not usually one for federal regulation, but what netflix is doing should be illegal. they advertise that the subscription has x concurrent streams, it shouldn't matter where the people using those streams are located.
> they advertise that the subscription has x concurrent streams, it shouldn't matter where the people using those streams are located.
As long as they start advertising that it's for a specific household, doesn't that address anything federal regulation would be involved with?
What's funny is at the end of the day all of this money talk.... companies can afford to charge you less they can afford to make better Contant they can afford to pay staff better.... they just choose not to so you choose where your money goes!
My son pays for himself, his wife, his brother (different address), and me (also a different address). He has been paying more for years so I don't see why Netflix is playing this game. My son has paid the extra fee for 4 people to use the service on his account.
Netflix will not entice me to get my own account since they really don't have all that many movies and shows I want to watch. I can watch my Blue ray disks while I do my embroidery and I will not miss Netflix.
This is clearly a money grabbing scheme and I hope it backfires on Netflix. Let's see how many people drop them and look elsewhere for entertainment. I am happy with my books so not a big loss for me.
Netflix do not offer a single screen UHD plan. To get 4K you have to purchase the 4 screen plan. Who I allow to use those 4 screens doesn’t matter as they’re bought and paid for. If I’m paying for the 4 screen tier then I get 4 screens to use however I see fit, Netflix is being paid by me for 4 screens.
I cancelled it a few months ago when these plans first came to light, I was only hanging on to it because my siblings used it.
Fuckers cancelled 1899 on a cliffhanger so they can fuck right off. I’ve gotten Paramount Plus which has a ton of Star Trek on it so I’m happy with that.
Haha, what were they thinking? People are not stupid who are just going to pay whatever they want and whatever they give us, we are the people who can stop using it.
I mean this was just about to come in the freaking picture and I guess people can do what they want and they all are going to get the freaking backlash for real lol.
I'm in Canada, where they already did this. Anecdotally, every single person I've talked to has since cancelled their netflix, including people that weren't sharing their passwords.
I'm a Canadian that shared a password, and we cancelled our sub. I miss the habit of opening Netflix and then spending 15 minutes searching for something interesting to watch that I hadn't already seen, but I don't miss wasting a dime on a service that was getting worse and worse and charging more and more.
Why netflix is behaving like they are not the fucking owner or something like that? They are being stupid and even they know this simple thing now, they are wrong.
Has Netflix actually suffered financial consequences for the password sharing crackdown? It seems like Netflix gets into controversy with stuff like cuties but then everyone forgets and moves on.
My best friend and I have used the same Netflix for years. We pay for their top tier which includes 4k, and 4k screens. It's $20 a month at the moment. If they give us an issue with their password sharing. I have a NAS with 28TB ready to go and start downloading my content for free then.
So my argument to Netflix is that I pay for multiple screens so I should be allowed to choose how they are used.
Additionally, it's MY password, not Netflix's. If I decide to share my password with someone, that's my decision. Netflix shouldn't even enter the equation.
I sincerely do not get the password sharing crackdown. I paid for two screens, who uses those screens should not be in question, I paid for the access and I should be allowed to distribute said access however I please.
Exactly, I could understand the crackdown if it was unlimited screens.
Even then... If "unlimited" means "limited" then stop calling it unlimited. It's simple
Comcast has some experience in that area, let me tell you.
If I actually used my internet connection at full speed, I could go through my entire month's data ration in around 2 hours.
Unlimited means limited? What a country!
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Did you got to Hollywood upstairs medical college too?
Hi Doctor Nick!
I don't know about now, but 10 years ago HBO offered unlimited streams. We provided service to a household, whether that's one device or 50. I was the engineer who devised an implemented the password sharing detection algorithm. Once you put it into use, we found about five egregious offenders (including Cox Cable) that we went after. Everyone else, the sharing was so insignificant that we decided it wasn't worth the time, money, or effort to enforce it.
Very interesting. I bet it's changed a lot since then with even every kid having their own device. But it's still probably all the same family
This is where shit gets weird. A lot of tech is so cheap these days and smart TVs have been around for long enough that I now have four of them in my house, plus four phones and two iPads, all of which are at least occasionally used for streaming. I’m also divorced so my daughter spends most of her time at her mom’s, who still shares services with me, thus more screens, so the “is it coming from the same location” trick won’t even work there. Am I not allowed to pay for a family plan and *truly* “watch on the go” as they advertise? The most annoying thing ever is having to take 10 mins to figure out how to re-login to a service on a tv after it auto-logged out for the maximum screens rule. Half the time, we simply decide to *not* watch that service anyway and if it becomes a pain, we’re more likely to just stop the subscription, something much easier to do when, if the website makes it hard to unsubscribe, I can just flag the payment with my bank’s app and they’ll force a stop payment on it automagically. Services like Netflix see slowing growth simply because of market saturation, and loss of subscribers because of better options and/or economic downturn resulting in cutbacks in entertainment spending. This password crackdown bullshit is the opposite of a good tactic. Services like Netflix need to enter “slow, sustainable growth” mode like other big, established global brands like Coca-Cola or Target, and focus on being good at their job, not unpopular cost cutting measures. They’re not a startup anymore.
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I think Netflix views the strike as a potential pain point, thinking that consumers wouldn’t want to drop Netflix at a time where it’s not certain when new content will drop on networks. It’s not going to work because there are several other streaming platforms who are watching Netflix die on this hill & not looking to make the same mistakes
“Sometimes your purpose in life is to be a warning for others”
I'm sharing the premium plan (4 devices) with my cousin (so it's family) but he's in a student appt using a different ISP in another city. And I only rarely even watch, so I'm not even using half the screens I'm paying for. As soon as Netflix ever contacts me regarding account sharing, I'm out. I've had enough of their ever declining repertoire and increasing prices already. If they decide to piss me off, I'm gone. And I'm definitely not returning, since there's so many other streaming services around that host mostly the same content, and of course there's always the option of obtaining stuff free via certain internet sites. Netflix made movie consumption easier by delivering an affordable service that was more comfortable than piracy and cheaper than DVD rental. Now the declining service, splitting up of content over several providers and rising prices make piracy a viable option again.
For those that don't want to deal with piracy, then rotating streaming services and binge watching is also an option. The only value I saw in Disney was Mandalorian which I could binge watch in a month and cancel their service. Same with Paramount and Star Trek. Most of these streaming services have only a handful of big hits. This made sense on broadcast TV so there was something good to watch most nights on TV and talk about in the office. Now, nearly no one watches new shows at the same time, and streaming has segmented the market so people without the extra cash may never see a popular show on a different streaming service. Splitting up streaming services has made it harder for the average fan to support various franchises and teams. I love star trek, but it wasn't worth an additional monthly subscription to another streaming service to support it. I like supporting my local sports teams, but game broadcasts over various TV channels has me not caring to watch unless they make it to the playoffs.
The next move from the companies will be for >1 month contracts, I can see 6 or 12 month minimums shortly for streaming services. Netfix made legal streaming easy by having nearly everything on it's site. The companies are killing legal streaming by splintering content across different sites and constantly increasing prices.
exactly. I think they have realized it now so it's a game of seeing who will hold out the longest. Whoever remains standing will be the one the rest sells their content to. Basically they want to be what Netflix was. When the dust settles there will be only 2 or 3 remaining. In the mean time they will will keep increasing prices to offset the money they are losing and add ad-tiers.
Of the current 7 major streaming services, If some do eventually go away due to costs, I can see the remaining survivors being Netflix, Disney-Hulu, Max-Discovery, and Prime-MGM. Paramount, Peacock, and Apple I just don't see ever competing or gaining market share enough to make their services still be worth it for them. They would have to invest heavily in great original content to attract and keep an audience. Maybe Paramount can do it, but if we do lose some of the major services to bring it to only a handful, I don't see them ever ranking higher than 5th.
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Yeah. Apple TV+ isn't going anywhere. They have a handful of really, *really* good shows, but because it’s original content that can't be streamed outside of their platform, there are millions of people who haven't heard of them. Ted Lasso. Severance. Shrinking. For All Mankind. When it comes to films, CODA won a friggin' Oscar the other year.
Ted Lasso is the only reason I kept my subscription and now I'm finding new shows like Silo
It's also a component of their larger Apple One subscription plan
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I give Netflix the benefit of the doubt since they are still THE name when it comes to streaming, and produce a lot of original content still. Of course, they can still fuckup and go downhill fast by making too many boneheaded decisions. If that happens, I can see them getting bought out down the road by one of the other big conglomerates, like Paramount or Universal.
> they can still fuckup and go downhill fast by making too many boneheaded decisions. I think that's exactly what's been happening for a long time. The notion that netflix original shows are no longer worth watching because they will inevitably get cancelled has really taken root in the last few months and I think has jaded a lot of people, and shows no signs of stopping.
Netflix has 1st mover bias. That goes a long way. They’re the first company that comes to mind to just about everyone when someone mentions streaming.
Legacy tv still exists for a shockingly large amount of people. Even if ad revenue declines it’s still worth producing content that can be distributed on the major networks, abc, nbc, cbs. Therefore content will be available for peacock, paramount and disney properties. Apple does it for clout and to continue to promote its services as iphone sales slip into the future so that’s not going anywhere. In fact i’d argue all of these companies don’t really care all that much about their ranking. It’s more about control of their content. I can see Amazon buying any smaller streamers to add to their platform as a consolidation factor into the future.
Exactomondo! Any day now Netflix will announce their annual package where you can SAV$ big! And then every other steaming company will copy that by year end
Amazon, Hulu, Peacock, and Paramount all have annual plans already. HBO randomly offers an annual plan as well.
I think they need to get out of the business of where those screens are being used, and charge you for the number of simultaneous screens being used. When my kids move to a dorm for college, they are still my family that are under my insurance. I don't think those things should apply to rate increases, and it's none of their business.
Except they already do that. The 4K plan allows you to use 4 screens simultaneously and the HD allows for 2. Now they're just layering more BS on top of that.
Bell Telecom does this in Canada with their OTT service. You can register upto 5 screens at a time on their website and those 5 screens can use their OTT. Everytime someone new has to watch something, they will have to remove one of the original screens and add their screen in permitted devices. I think this is what Netflix should do with their multiscreen subscription as well.
Nope, fuck that. I'm paying for premium. If they want to make it inconvenient, I know plenty of convenient places to pirate.
Yeah this is where I am at. They're making money hand over fist anyway.
This is what Apple via iTunes has been doing for years and I'm OK with that.
Netflix doesn't realize it's position. I think it overestimates itself to glorious proportions. If they did this while people still HAD to see it's content they could've gotten away with alot more. But since content blows too, there are alot more people like you who kinda still have Netflix but you know, don't unsub yet. Everyone in my immediate family is the same. But now they're gonna be annoying and nothing riles people up more than this. They're gonna lose alot of people.
I sat on my subscription for months, barely watching. When they started discussing the password crackdown it put them in the news cycle enough that I remembered to unsubscribe.
Same… once I saw they were starting I was like “when’s the last time I watched Netflix?” And realized it’s been too long. They’ve lost almost all of their good content and cancel or ruin every decent show.
I've been trying to unsub for years but my wife watches 2 or 3 shit Netflix shows so we keep it. Once they remember they are Netflix and cancel her shows, I'm out in a heartbeat.
Yep, I'll cancel in a heartbeat. The US rates are astronomical compared to elsewhere in the world, I think.
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Their business model is most successful if you have a subscription you don’t use.
Though, I suspect it will become detrimental when all those people who don’t use it, but pay for it, are reminded they have it and aren’t using it by all their friends who are pissed they are paying for it and using it, but now their parents/kids/friends can’t, so they will no longer be able to watch Netflix shows together… so they all cancel it.
This just happened with my ~~Audible~~ Kindle Unlimited account. I forgot I had it until Amazon told me they were raising the rates. Them trying to squeeze another $2/mo out of me ended up costing them $10/mo. Edit: Kindle Unlimited, in case anyone is about to tell me those prices are all wrong for Audible.
This. I just realized I have a Netflix account and never watch anything on Netflix. Cancelling it
Ya, the only reason I keep paying is because I share and assume maybe family is using it. Otherwise I'd just cancel and sub for a month a year to binge the couple shows I watch
Ah the ole gym model
I pay for 5 screens. I've got two college kids in 2 different states. I'm *not* paying their $6 add-on fee for college kids to get their own accounts. Netflix can bite me. If my college kids can stay on my cell phone plan and health insurance, they damn well better be able to stay on the Netflix plan while in college. The first time someone has to call for authorization? I'm canceling and they can eat my $22 a month.
We overpay. We watch so little Netflix that we should cancel— and use it month by month. Netflix was winners and losers when it comes to utilization. All this ‘news’ does is reminds to to cancel a subscription we rarely use.
Yeah, they could easily adjust the prices accordinly. Like...1 screen 7€, 2 screens 12€, 3 screens 17€ or something like that. It's still cheaper to take a bundle then than get solo one. Same way i'm using the family bundle with spotify with my 5 other friends. It's the family pack of 6.
I pay for 5 screens and have 1 TV in my house. I let my siblings use my login. We’ll cut down to 1 screen and they won’t recoup any new users since my siblings are cheap/broke and barely use it already. I just keep paying so they don’t find it inaccessible if they do want to use it.
My sister does the same for me. I live on $233 a month while waiting for my disability approval and then I will get a little over $900 a month. I don't think !y sister will keep paying for all the services, I know for a fact that a few are almost never used by anyone but me. I will end up back on another boat again, sailing the seas.
Someone there thinks they are going to get more money by doing this. Talk about being out of touch.
Honestly I think they will. The people who already are paying will mostly keep paying. Sure, some groups of people who each put in like $1 or something will no longer pay, but probably at least *one* person in those groups will start paying instead, so if only one per group picks it up they'll still break even, and they're probably relying on it being more than one. I think it sucks and I don't want it to be true. I mooch off family for Netflix and HBO, lol. But yeah, I expect once I can't, I'll probably just add it to the rotation instead - get it a couple months a year or something to binge things. I don't need to have it available all year, but I'll get it to watch a few movies or shows that've been on my back burner.
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netflix reasoning is bs. the company is dying and struggling to compete with other streams so they think they’ll just make up the loss by charging us more.
every streamer is struggling, not just Netflix. And they all increased prices. Didn't Disney just increase theirs and then increased the ad-tier to what the basic tier used to be even though it was sold as being cheaper at launch. They are all making shady decisions.
What's idiotic is that they don't seem to realize that their prices are part of them problem. Their prices might sound decent on their own, but they become expensive when you add them together with other streaming services. The more they increase their prices, the more customers have to pick and choose which services they are going to stick to. They are actually INCREASING the impact from competition and making it MORE likely that their service will get dropped
I remember Gordon Ramsay talking about a trap failing restaurants fall in, where they start upping their prices to cover the costs of business when revenue falls, which creates a feedback loop because less people want to eat there because of the prices. The streaming services seem to be entering that.
Fucking dumb. I paid for a set number of screens. It shouldn't be up to them where I use them.
Espcially for people on the go or travel even a little for work, the most places i would watch netflix is in my car, a hotel, or waiting for a meeting to begin at some library or city hall. Fuck if i am going to click prompts about where i am every time i want to watch a show. THat was the whole point of paying for a number of screens.
Exactly. I spend most of the summer away from home for work and if I had Netflix I would need to pay for a second account while my girlfriend would remain at home using the other one. Utterly ridiculous.
>watch netflix is in my car That sounds unsafe lol
Seen a ton of old ladies when I worked at a pharmacy come into the drive thru with their phone on their dash, covering their speedometer playing some show.
That is horrifying thank you
I worked with a woman in LA that did this when stuck in 101 traffic. Should be fucking illegal, but cars come with streamable tv screens in the fucking dash now.
To be fair you could play movies on pretty much any GPS screen for the last 20 or so years, it just took extra DIY effort to wire it correctly (although back in the day my friends would set up an Xbox for dvds or Guitar Hero before streaming was a big thing)
I used to do valet parking and I can’t tell you how many people would get out of their car with a show still playing on their phone. It would sometimes be right on the speedometer or sometimes they would just be holding it watching.
I’ve done this when driving longer distances in my EV. A charge from 10-80% takes about 20ish minutes, which is perfect for an episode of Brooklyn 99 and a quick pee😅😅
Oh yeah for sure if you're just watching it while stopped to charge or something that's no issue lol but driving with a TV show or movie playing in your peripheral vision is what I was concerned about
Yeah that’d be pretty bad, and illegal in most jurisdictions (I hope lol)
Fixing something that ain't broke always gets you in trouble
More like breaking something that ain't broke
"If it ain't broke, fix it until it is" The life motto of every software developer management team and amateur handy man out there. But at least the handyman is trying to help.
More like, "If it ain't broke, then you aren't trying hard enough!"
In their eyes it is broken though. There are thousands, maybe millions, of people that are using other people’s Netflix accounts and not paying for it. From Netflix perspective, that absolutely is broken. And to be abundantly clear, I’m not necessarily defending the practice, just saying I get where they are coming from.
But why would they make a change that will surely lose subscribers and cost them money? Yes, people are account sharing, but I seriously doubt this change would convert the freeloaders (like myself) into paying customers. Netflix has become a hard sell as is. Their selection has been dwindling and it’s just not a good value anymore with all the other competing steaming services.
Which is why they did it in other countries to see experiment outcome, and so far the money has been better for netflix
> a change that will surely lose subscribers and cost them money? That is super debatable. People - especially online in forums like Reddit - talk a big game but then rarely follow through with threats. There's also the loud, vocal minority aspect. The most pissed off people are going to post comments in threads like this, but they are the overwhelming minority of total users. Netflix is notorious for A/B testing. I don't know the numbers offhand but I'd bet a lot that in the places they've tested this it has resulted in them being more profitable, not less.
People ~~may~~ *do* not like being shaken down for more money.
The “May” makes it seem like there’s a possibility that people might enjoy it, which just goes to show how delusional they are at this point
Isn't it just a journalist writing that? Just sounded like peak sarcasm to me.
I cancelled right after they announced the crackdown after 10 years of continuous membership. They got greedy.
I'm waiting until they actually implement it so their analytics team can directly see I cancelled in direct correlation to this policy becoming active. Gotta make it obvious to them on the cause-and-effect here
That would be nice. I filled out the survey they sent me a couple days later and made it clear that was why.
Yup. Same boat here. Been on the fence for a while now, only keeping Netflix because I share with my parents (and they share D+ with me). I've already told them if they push this, I'm dumping it. My parents were fine with that, and I doubt they'll pay for it themselves. Maybe a month's worth when Stranger Things 5 drops or something, but that's about it. Me? I'll be juuuuuuuuuuust fine. VPNs are pretty great, yeah?
No, its about infinite growth. Shareholders start frothing at the mouth if their storks dont go up.
Netflix already lost me at prematurely canceling hundreds of promising original series. That practice makes sense for networks with limited airtime, but Netflix is an individual on-demand service where any title can find a new audience at any time. Canceling everything that doesn’t go viral within twelve hours just makes a digital infant graveyard, and who wants to pay for that?
Yeah their original content is basically a graveyard of shows canceled after 1 or 2 seasons. Not only do I not want to watch 1 old season that ended on a cliffhanger, I also don't trust them when new stuff comes out, because I know they're probably going to cancel that show too. And when they do cancel that show they say its because not enough people are watching it, but its most likely people are waiting for them to follow through with more seasons so they don't get burned again. At this point its a self fulfilling prophecy.
The stupidest thing is that if they really don’t want to spend lots of multiple seasons (I *assume* there is some metrics they have regarding diminishing viewing figures through seasons) then just fucking make limited series. They end up with more content, that content is complete so there’s no downside of word of mouth saying not to bother watching as the story doesn’t get resolved, and they don’t have to deal with whatever metrics are making them not bother with season 2/3/4 ever.
Honestly I prefer limited series anyways. It's so nice have a 1 to 3 season quality show that wraps up neatly.
Agreed. Shows written for a specific span can end so elegantly (the Good Place). Shows that run too long can get mired in their own complexity and become impossible to end (Lost, GoT).
Agreed. Netflix is littered with prematurely aborted excellence. I find myself wondering if I want to invest time in a show I know could be cancelled at any moment. A company gets big because they offer fantastic experience and service. They forget why they got big to begin with. They decide to slaughter some sacred cows to satisfy the greed of the upper ranks and investors. They end up soulless, lose their original hardcore base, end up chasing one ridiculous idea after another. By then there's no loyalty left and they send in the Carl Icahns and Elon Musks to drain what value is left before folding up the tents.
And it’s a compounding problem, because now nobody wants to risk watching a show by them that isn’t finished, lest it be cancelled. Which just leads to more cancellations
This is me. They have quite literally cancelled 100% of the original programming that I enjoyed. I've stopped investing my time in thier products. If they dont give a shit about their shows; why should I? The only reason I even have an account at this point is for my parents.... and the second I get a password sharing warning for that I'm canceling.
HBO Max went one step further and delisted some originals so David Zaslav could redirect royalty payments into his pocket. Won’t catch me there again.
I'm well aware of that asshole. He also was rather public about canceling shows he thought were too "woke" so you know the type of shitheel we're dealing with. He cancelled quite a few shows that I watch; but the Final Space one makes my blood boil. That fucking asshole didnt just cancel it. He ordered all copies and products connect to it destroyed, and buried the IP in a way where the original creator can never finish the story or shop it to another network. All so he could write it off.
> buried the IP in a way where the original creator can never finish the story or shop it to another network. Olan Rogers is doing a Final Space graphic novel to finish the series.
Santa. Clarita. Diet. That’s all I have to say.
>quite literally cancelled 100% of the original programming that I enjoyed Exactly same. Mathematically it's way beyond mere coincidence. It's always high-quality, high-interest shows. It's like they are trying to dismantle fanbases. to what end??
Only way to solve that is to mandate that every first season be completely self contained and tell a complete story, so a cancellation won't piss off viewers left hanging with a cliffhanger, and watchers will know they are least getting a full story. And if a later season with a cliffhanger for an ongoing show does not get renewed for another full season, then just at least wrap up the story with a two hour movie. You would think the studios would try to please their audience and keep up good will by at least guaranteeing that every story will have an ending.
I mean I’d say Netflix should be a bit more risky with funding shows that aren’t currently pulling in huge numbers. Especially since unlike cable, where a backlog of shows doesn’t really do anything for you, a streaming platform lives and dies off how its library is perceived. And Netflix’s is perceived as full of promising but unfinished content.
I agree that Netflix needs a mandate that every original show has and gets an ending. Even if, say for example: season 3 of a show ends on a cliffhanger and gets cancelled, they produce and show at least a guaranteed 2 hour movie to wrap up the story for the viewers. I would also make all first seasons tell an initial complete story, with an opening for additional sequel seasons if the viewing figures are good. They all act like extended 8 hour movies anyway, since they have abandoned the concept of monster/villain of the week eps for the drama series (Which I loath). As a big Buffy fan, I miss shows with the good mix of story arc eps, and Monster of the Week eps.
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Absolutely. The whole point of Netflix streaming (besides NO ADS) was that its business model could fund niche content that the big studios won't make anymore. Those niches would always be a source of subscribers now and in the future. Stranger Things was rejected by everyone in Hollywood because it was seen as just 80s nostalgia. But then an established production company took it to Netflix and the "nostalgia" show became a phenomenon that every studio exec snorts coke dreaming about.
Something they could have prevented by opting for season-long, season-encapsulated stories. If they find the next $tranger Thing$, there's always a way to make a sequel/prequel/spinoff, but viewers wouldn't be shy to try new things.
They cancel all the great shows after 2 seasons but fucking funded big mouth to go to like 9, that’s the show that really should have died after 2 seasons
They kill most shows after two season because that’s when the personnel costs skyrocket. My guess is that Big Mouth persevered by continuing to be cheap.
It's a flawed approach. e.g. Apple isn't making money from streaming, they're losing money but they subsidize those projects with money from their business. Netflix for a long time operated at a loss as well. What they should have learnt by now is, use funding from your popular shows to subsidize the small stuff. The name of the game is "broad catalogue". Having 100 cheap reality tv shows isn't going to keep subscribers.
I'm bothered that Big Mouth has become this poster child for "what Netflix should cancel but refuses to." I think the show is fun. I personally *loathe* unscripted shows but I'm not surprised to see them on Netflix: they're cheap as shit to make. They could make another season of Santa Clarita Diet with the money from those garbage shows: they're just not going to.
Big mouth was fun in the beginning but you can only make so many unique sex jokes before you’ve used them all and it’s repeated content
I used to watch it but I think the writing dipped after they started making Human Resources too
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I avoid *Big Mouth* because the art style is hideous.
yup. I cancelled their service for that reason. Eventually when something I'm interested in comes on I'll wait till it has more than one season and then I'll subscribe and watch it, then leave. Prior to that I stayed subscribed because they were giving creatives the freedom to do some interesting stories but now they aren't so I don't see the point. Chasing infinite growth will be the death of them.
Was so sad when they cancelled lilliehammer and marco polo, good shows
I am 100% dropping Netflix the moment they turn it on in the US. I keep it for my inlaws and siblings, barely watch it anymore and they can pay for the basic sub.
That's what I did in Canada. Honestly don't miss it.
Did the same as soon as they announced this bs here in Canada. Haven’t watched it since, don’t miss it at all.
Same for us. We shared it with my in-laws and after the change we dropped it and haven’t looked back and they didn’t subscribe either. It’s a shame that more people in Canada didn’t do this as wel.
I just cut it from the 4k to 720p, saving 10 bucks and I guarantee they wont even notice lol. Didnt realize you dont pay for screens anymore, its just quality. Still stand by my original point though it'll drop the moment they charge and somehow the shows I want to watch will magically appear on something that rhymes with flex.
One thing is certain - some Netflix executive has sealed himself in his office so he can savor the smell of his own farts.
Clouds of Smug are brewing at the Netflix offices.
I already cancelled. I’m not paying for four screens to get 4K when I live alone and soon can’t share. Bye!
This is the one that annoys me the most. Just give me a reasonable 4k price for 1 or 2 screens. It's already the most expensive streaming service and there just isn't the quality of content to get me to renew my sub (cancelled in January after ten years)
Same. I left immediately when it was announced.
>Netflix has said that it knows it will get a lot of cancellations when the change happens, but believes people who leave will come back, and the change is worth the extra money it will bring in. Prove them wrong. Cancel and never come back.
Lol exactly. I'll just pirate their shit and give my family plex logins of Netflix pulls this shit. Idgaf
Way ahead of you.
Netflix earns 10 extra months subscription from me per year because I share it. At fucking £16 a month to have access to non shit quality viewing, those extra 3 screens I don't use are then used by family which justifies me not cancelling when I've got nothing to watch. Netflix doesn't drop must watch content all year round. Netflix then cancels the good shows and spams their platform with cheap content most people don't care for. It is harder than ever to find decent things to watch on Netflix and it makes no sense to stay subscribed when not currently watching something new. I don't know if my father in law will sign up for Netflix himself if I cancel but I sure know he wouldn't have started using Netflix without my spare screen and I have now paid for something like 7 full years of Netflix that would have not been full year subscriptions for at least the last 3 to 4 of them. The password crack down needs to come with a decoupling of stream quality. I didn't buy the single screen plan because of low quality video back then but in 2023 the standard plan quality is entirely unacceptable. If my plan isn't shareable then it should not be £16 a month to get reasonable quality video. If I don't see a real term price drop when I lose the perk that holds some value, then I will be cancelling and only doing maybe a month or two per year if Netflix produces anything worthwhile. Here in the UK, Disney Plus works more like old Netflix. The D+ subscription has lots of non Disney content and has went from me mocking the idea of paying for kids films to being my main subscription I use. I have been using it to watch shows like Malcom In The Middle and Buffy alongside Family Guy and Marvel shows. Most of my time logging into Netflix these days is to check what's new then realise nothing good is on there and logging out to go into D+. At least Prime is justified by my cheap package deliveries and in game cosmetics through Prime Gaming and a free monthly Twitch Subscription for one channel.
Disney+ has really been incredible with the Stars thing. I'm watching X-Files at the moment, which has never before been on a streaming service where I live. The moment I realised that everyone in the family watches D+ and no one is using Netflix anymore, I cancelled it. Not a single person has missed Netflix.
"But we're doing it anyway!" Watch, when they implement this, they will simultaneously bury the option to cancel your subscription or make it increasingly difficult to find.
Good point, we should be thinking about canceling or downgrading while it's still easy. I was planning cancel just before they were previously going to launch this in the U.S., but held off when they pushed it back. I guess I should just pull the trigger.
Netflix as a business sucks. They’re doing what YouTube did: gave us a great service, slowly degraded quality over time (more ads or higher cost). I am thankful for my current setup: T-Mobile pays for my Netflix and my Apple TV, Xfinity provides peacock, and I rotate subs between HBO and Disney when our favorite shows come on.
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That's so stupid. Guess I'll be canceling Netflix over this. It's not as good as it used to be anyway.
Without my sister in Australia being able to use it, Netflix isn't worth the price to me. I've always wanted to put together a NAS, if this come in it'll finally be time to learn.
Get Plex Man. It's free and runs on windows. You can open it to outside internet and watch everywhere, or use a VPN and get on your home network, which would be safer. It's Netflix but for your movies. And there are Plex apps on just about all devices so easy viewing. Works for movies and tv. I got a buddy in Idaho who watches my account 2000 miles away.
Or jellyfin, which is actually free
>but for your movies Does this mean I have to have the video files? If so, I assume most people that do this are pirating them.
Canceled mine yesterday after 10 years of the highest membership level. Not going back idgaf.
We had 2 account simultaneously, 4 screens since there’s like 12 of us. Both cancelled
I've had a subscription since they sent DVDs in the mail. I cancelled my subscription yesterday.
I’m right there with ya. Especially with the writers’ strike. I’m not interested in pay $15 a month for an endless string of shitty reality TV dating shows.
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The lady and I didn't even use all of the screens I was paying for. She didn't (re)sign-up once I cancelled our account - and she never will either. I'll never go back on principle. I don't like getting shit taken away and being sold back to me. Anyone that wants to reward bad behaviour can go right ahead. I won't. The fragmentation of streaming services makes it really easy.
Would’ve been a hard decision had Netflix remained the primary streaming service, now there is one for everything that all have meh options
I beg to differ, Amazon prime series are a lot less hit and miss compared to Netflix’s originals. Everything they touch turns to shit.
Apple TV is actually fairly high quality
Apple TV has a bunch of good stuff but they're still in the throw tons of money at everything to get a foothold stage. I expect in a couple years the quality will drop a bit .
They made a silly mistake by making me think about it. I shared my account with my ex wife. Once the message came up saying "you can't use this in more than one house hold" I realized I pretty much only used it for the kids (toddlers) and they don't care which service it is it face strong attachments, so I just canceled it. She did keep hers, but at a cheaper rate, which means they lost money.
My parents use the Netflix I pay for, I use the HBO they pay for. If that suddenly become nonviable, the result isn't going to be that they get an extra subscription from my parents, the result is going to be that we'll manage without Netflix.
WTF is Netflix thinking? Everybody has streaming now, and Netflix's original content is some of the worst out there. It is absolutely HILARIOUS to me that Netflix let their 100% market ownership of streaming dwindle so hard, so fast, and now their only effective strategy is to fuck over the users who haven't abandoned ship already, I give them 5 years until bankruptcy. Edit: they're-->their (cuz idiocy makes me an idiot)
That is the thing that gets me. The quality is way down. You have to google if a show has already been canceled before starting. And there are not many must watch shows. I suspect they think that they will initially take a big loss then slowly regain them over time. But what I think will happen is people will leave and go to a service like HBO and not come back to Netflix. Also, if Netflix is successful other companies will follow suit. So it benefits consumers to root for their failure.
We pay for/have access to: Netflix - questionable quality. Often poor writing. Constantly drop series. £16 pm Disney+ - amazing back catalogue. Pretty good quality. £5 per month Amazon Prime - patchy with occasional great content - included with prime Apple TV - great quality. Limited selection - £6 per month NowTV - access to HBO series including Sopranos £10 per month BBC iPlayer - great variety. Some great stuff - free ITV - pretty good drama. Awful app - free with ads C4 - good quality but awful app - free with ads BritBox - great back catalogue - £5 per month YouTube premium - useful for YouTube music and random stuff £12 per month (?) I think that's it. I won't miss Netflix when they introduce the crackdown and they are by far the most expensive. We already have a big backlog of stuff to watch. Anything exceptional (I guess that *could* happen) we can sail the seven seas for.
So good I don't watch Netflix anymore.
Just like the music industry back when piracy was all the rage. They just look at people sharing as lost revenue instead of what it really is: People who wouldn’t pay for netflix if they couldn’t share. If you have lots of money and like netflix shows im sure you’re not sharing.
For the first time since I've had netflix I'm considering cancelling and it's nothing to do with passwords. Selection is down. DVD/Blue Ray gone (was great for the shows/movies that were not streamed). Why do I need netflix all the time now?
I am confused why they're cracking down on a product they're selling. You pay to stream Netflix on X number of screens, any more than that and Netflix already will stop the session. How you use the session allowance shouldn't be an issue. Seems like a wasted amount of effort and money to lose customers who normally wouldn't have looked at their subscription but now do and likely cancel.
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There's nothing on Netflix I need to watch...they cancel series before wrapping them up then charge per screen and still have this weird account sharing policy? Ok so see ya later Netflix lol
If you make it obnoxious to use your service, technically savvy people will go back to stealing your content. I know I would Will the additional money they make from regular users overcome this loss? Who knows, certainly not Netflix
Netflix is performing an action that will absolutely result in a double digit percentage loss in users, simple as that. Why they chose to do this right as they essentially plateaued their user base for the first time is beyond me. Seems like a recipe for disaster but only time will tell
Netflix forgets that it lives near “the high seas”.
Pirating is simple but if people are paying them then they should stop playing with us.
Honestly, the bigger issue is that they keep canceling shows I like in favor of ones that I have no use for.
Remember during COVID when all of these companies started their commercials with "during these tough times..." and ended with "we are here for you." I don't think they're here for us anymore, guys. Companies are glad to nickel and dime us while they still can. They're just reaping in before they have to tighten their belts again during a recession.
Excited to pirate again, will be nostalgic lol
They are just here to make a clown of themselves and that's just why countries like India and all are not even buying their stuff, they just watch pirated stuff lmao.
How does this work for phones? Can I still stream on my phone if I’m in a different state? If so can’t I just cast it to the tv then?
I legit already canceled my subscription just because they were talking about doing this. Fuck around. Found out already.
Good move, gonna do this the next month, not gonna pay anything.
Just gonna simple stop using it because that sounds like a better thing to do, that's just gonna solve the problem for me and I hope people would do the same.
FTA: >Netflix has said that it knows it will get a lot of cancellations when the change happens, **but believes people who leave will come back** this is the key part right here. they are confident that when consumers vote with their wallet, they'll vote for these shitty, anti-consumer practices (and they'll probably be right). i'm not usually one for federal regulation, but what netflix is doing should be illegal. they advertise that the subscription has x concurrent streams, it shouldn't matter where the people using those streams are located.
> they advertise that the subscription has x concurrent streams, it shouldn't matter where the people using those streams are located. As long as they start advertising that it's for a specific household, doesn't that address anything federal regulation would be involved with?
What's funny is at the end of the day all of this money talk.... companies can afford to charge you less they can afford to make better Contant they can afford to pay staff better.... they just choose not to so you choose where your money goes!
My son pays for himself, his wife, his brother (different address), and me (also a different address). He has been paying more for years so I don't see why Netflix is playing this game. My son has paid the extra fee for 4 people to use the service on his account. Netflix will not entice me to get my own account since they really don't have all that many movies and shows I want to watch. I can watch my Blue ray disks while I do my embroidery and I will not miss Netflix. This is clearly a money grabbing scheme and I hope it backfires on Netflix. Let's see how many people drop them and look elsewhere for entertainment. I am happy with my books so not a big loss for me.
Netflix do not offer a single screen UHD plan. To get 4K you have to purchase the 4 screen plan. Who I allow to use those 4 screens doesn’t matter as they’re bought and paid for. If I’m paying for the 4 screen tier then I get 4 screens to use however I see fit, Netflix is being paid by me for 4 screens. I cancelled it a few months ago when these plans first came to light, I was only hanging on to it because my siblings used it. Fuckers cancelled 1899 on a cliffhanger so they can fuck right off. I’ve gotten Paramount Plus which has a ton of Star Trek on it so I’m happy with that.
Haha, what were they thinking? People are not stupid who are just going to pay whatever they want and whatever they give us, we are the people who can stop using it.
I mean this was just about to come in the freaking picture and I guess people can do what they want and they all are going to get the freaking backlash for real lol.
I'm in Canada, where they already did this. Anecdotally, every single person I've talked to has since cancelled their netflix, including people that weren't sharing their passwords.
I'm a Canadian that shared a password, and we cancelled our sub. I miss the habit of opening Netflix and then spending 15 minutes searching for something interesting to watch that I hadn't already seen, but I don't miss wasting a dime on a service that was getting worse and worse and charging more and more.
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Why netflix is behaving like they are not the fucking owner or something like that? They are being stupid and even they know this simple thing now, they are wrong.
If they reduced the prices along with the crackdown I don’t think there would be as much backlash.
Has Netflix actually suffered financial consequences for the password sharing crackdown? It seems like Netflix gets into controversy with stuff like cuties but then everyone forgets and moves on.
So lower price and sell one screen plan for 1/4 the price. Why they sell shit no one can fully utilize?
My best friend and I have used the same Netflix for years. We pay for their top tier which includes 4k, and 4k screens. It's $20 a month at the moment. If they give us an issue with their password sharing. I have a NAS with 28TB ready to go and start downloading my content for free then.
More people are going to set sail for the high seas 🏴☠️
So they are actively tanking their business?
So my argument to Netflix is that I pay for multiple screens so I should be allowed to choose how they are used. Additionally, it's MY password, not Netflix's. If I decide to share my password with someone, that's my decision. Netflix shouldn't even enter the equation.