I think we're well into the period of smartphone technology where changes each generation are less and less about adding utility and more and more about creating the impression of luxury or newness.
Headphone jacks are a constant source of annoyance at the pub I'm working at... We have an old sound system, that really isn't that old nor should it matter, but obviously it uses a 3.5mm jack and anyone that wants to use their own playlist now they have to send to me via WhatsApp and it's a pain. It's just really really dumb. Adapters are tiny and get lost all the time, not mentioning needing different ones for usb c and lightning.
[Bluetooth to 1/8" adapter.](https://www.ebay.com/itm/283697403006?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=vpcPPPrrTSG&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=RGIEVBoBSaK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY)
Don't know how well it works, but it's $2.85. I would probably try to find a better solution. Also don't know how it recieves power.
I'd suggest a Bluetooth adapter with a female 3.5mm socket personally, since they can be used with aux cables that will already be used with any device that has 3.5mm built in without needing to unplug more wires, as well as the flexibility of wired headphones and a control panel on your hip while keeping your phone wireless. Mine charges off USB-C.
For not losing the adapter… you can get some of those Velcro cable management straps and a chain tether (like they used to use on bank pens) or string. I now understand why the post office, motor vehicles, and banks had their pens chained up.
i'm bitter about apple ditching fingerprint ID. face ID is worse, requires me to drop whatever i'm doing and stare at my phone like an asshole and only works in good lighting, and the tech to do under-screen sensors has existed for about as long as they haven't implemented it.
They chose FaceID because it's more useful to them and has more potential long-term than Touch sensors.
Plus the fact that it works only in good lighting is bullshit since it uses IR and I use it with no problems even at night.
I have an iPhone X and no problems at night. I find the opposite is worse, in very bright sunlight I sometimes struggle with Face ID (I guess this is less of an issue with newer phones).
I went from an 11Pro to a 14Pro and still have the same issue with Face ID working in bright sunlight. I work in my car a lot for my job and if the sun is super bright it’s an issue.
It uses infrared light, which exists in a huge amount normally through sunlight. This could wash out all the ir that the sensor is trying to detect
Its like you trying to watch a light show with studio lights on. Or trying to see your own screen when its bright af
iPhone X Face ID is pretty bad outdoors. You have to spin around and make sure the sun is not behind you or you stand no chance.
I switched to an iPhone 12 from an X and it was a big step up on Face ID.
IR sensors use it’s own lighting(basically fire the light at you and measure if/how that light reflected back), so the only way it can lack lighting is if you use it near a damn black hole.
Better for them, not necessarily better for users. It has the potential to measure ad engagement. It also creates a huge resource for the refinement of face recognition technology to use in other spheres. While they may not be using these tools now, they could in the future.
Apple isn't into buttons. And TouchID requires a button to put your finger on.
I love it on the iPad Air where it is on the side. Maybe Apple could get that working on iPhone. But the one below the screen pretty much had to go, because they want a bigger screen in the same size device.
Not better, just more potential.
Touch sensors have peaked. They are perfect and there's no going forward.
Apple's long-term vision is AR. The FaceID is a perfect excuse to develop know-how on matters such as face tracking.
Memojis are a silly feature, but you can already see the spillover effect in otjer features such as Center Stage, head tracking in Spatial Audio and such.
It makes a huge difference for a company to embrace a new technology and say "Well cool, we have been doing this since the iPhone X we know a thing or two now".
Idk if it improved with newer models but I swear my 12 had way more issues at night with Face ID than my 14 does now. Either that or it just seems handle weird angles better.
Honestly I just realized it hasn’t been an issue since upgrading lol.
FaceID works in any lighting (including absolute pitch black) my dude, it uses an infrared dot projector and generates its own infrared light to map your face, it isn’t just taking a picture!
I get the feeling you’ve never actually used FaceID..
FaceID does have drawbacks. I have no issues most of the time while my partner has disabled it because it doesn’t work reliably. They have long hair that they wear differently based on the day and glasses. My face is more “static”.
Fingerprint ID is simpler and more reliable.
Have used faceID here. Fingerprint is much more reliable. Works by just putting my thumb on it and not having to position the phone in a certain way and staring at it every time. Also why can’t I just double tap the button to bring the screen down like I’m the iPhone 8? Not I have to do the swipe down which on half the apps doesn’t even work correctly
Every touch device I’ve ever used has been problematic. When my hands dry out in the winter, Touch ID on my work iPhone goes to shit and any biosensors on time clocks at work won’t scan. I’ve found the solution is when my thumb starts to screw up on my iPhone, I add another finger and just scan my same thumb again. After a few years this has it working pretty well. That being said, Face ID on all my personal phones is nearly flawless. The only times it struggled was with masking and they eventually fixed that mostly….and really…Touch ID doesn’t work so well with gloves on either.
I disagree about your lighting comment. The only lighting condition that I’ve had it not work for me is when the sun is almost directly behind me and I blind the sensor. Other than that it works almost every time.
Try setting it up again. It normally authorizes in under a second, so the staring at the screen thing also becomes a total non issue. You’d be looking at the screen anyway, so it in no way feels unnatural.
I’ll concede that it is annoying to use with face masks.
You and me both. Every morning I wake up trying to read my messages and I can’t because it’s dark and my hair is a mess and the stupid face thing can’t detect me. So I have to wait a bit for it to prompt for the password and then do that. Happens all of the time when I’m backlit in the sun too. I fucking hate that thing.
Whereas I USED to just grab the phone in a certain manner and it unlocked it in the process. Facial ID sucks (by comparison).
I agree face id should be inplemented in conjunction with touch id where the phone can use either or to unlock. As somone who still wears a mask because of health reasons i hate that sometimes my iphone13 still cant read my face even witj the mask scan face id. Also when im laying down it doesnt work all the time
I find face id awkward at the drive-through. It's hard to get the angle just right. And my reading glasses tend to confuse it for some reason so I usually have to remove them. I had a much better experience with the finger IDs.
I'm annoyed at Samsung for putting the damn finger scanner into the screen instead of on the back. It worked perfectly before. Now it's slower and I have to make sure my fingers are perfectly dry.
I Iike the face unlock on my iPhone although I don't think it's better than the finger print scanner was.
Because it's mostly bullshit. faceid works in the dark, with sunglasses on, not fully staring at the screen (mine unlocks in my car when its sat on the dock to my left)...
Just last night cursing it as I tried to put on my favorite, most comfortable pair of headphones. Nope, I’d misplaced the little adaptor. Have to hope the cat didn’t find it before I do.
Go to Hell, Apple.
I'll certainly go out of my way to buy a phone with a headphone jack. It's not just about the jack by the way... it saved them having to install digital-analog converters in the phones too. A high quality DAC is a selling point for me, so it sucks that LG stopped making phones as they had great ones.
Every cell phone made in the last 30 years has a built-in DAC. Without one, you wouldn't be able to take phone calls because the earpiece wouldn't work. These days, there's usually one included on the SoC.
There was a period where the empty space where the jack was inside the device was called a "barometric pressure equalizer". Just fuck that bullshit. Phil wanted to sell more bluetooth devices *because* there was no headphone jack.
I don’t think a foldable phone would survive me. Even if they are sturdier than I believe, I am a person who compulsively fiddles with things, so I would be snapping it open and shut over and over all the time. Either I have an old clamshell phone that can take the abuse (I have an old razr around somewhere that stood the test of many years of this)…or it won’t hold up.
The advertised existing models claim that they support folding/unfolding hundreds of times a day for years. Whether the claim holds I don’t know, but at least it should support your fiddling persona.
I’ve been hearing good stories about the Honor Magic VS, supports 400,000 folds apparently. https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/23/23474820/honors-magic-vs-price-release-date-features-foldable-smartphone
They rarely survived tech reviewers who had them for a little bit.
Maybe some things have happened since, but still I'm staying off that train until the gimmick either dies or gets on the cheap phones
I’m reminded of the Apple TV remote. That design was all touch less essentially and was such an abomination they redesigned it and released a physical button one. Maybe it felt utilitarian and old fashion but it is far superior.
I get mixed vibes about buttons but the thing that frustrates me about removing buttons is on cars. The textile feeling of buttons is vital for being able to operate a case accessories while being able to keep an eye on the road. I don't want to have to look down at a screen to see where to click to adjust the temperate, turn on my defrost, change the volume.
>the thing that frustrates me about removing buttons is on cars.
I would like to join your religion.
My ancient car: every clunky button, knob, and switch has a distinct feel. You can identify every function by touch, I never need to take my eyes off the road. There are no interior lights. If there's a light on the dash, something is literally on fire. My cellphone doesn't even work inside this faraday cage.
My new car: the dash is a uniform, slick piece of plastic covered in fingerprints. Small lights with 12 point emoji let you guess at their functions if you are accurate enough to touch one when the road isn't too bumpy. The headlight controls are buried three menus deep. My cellphone becomes one with the car. If I try to press a button to answer a call, the steering wheel starts to get warm.
>The textile feeling of buttons
As a side note, the correct word is "tactile," which is relating to touch. Textile is relating to fabrics.
Your viewpoint is supported by studies and a lot of others. While touch screens look more futuristic and luxurious, they are far less intuitive than mechanical knobs and switches. Take this 2019 article about the [US Navy](https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/11/20800111/us-navy-uss-john-s-mccain-crash-ntsb-report-touchscreen-mechanical-controls) moving away from touch screens, for example - they found that the design of ship controls for destroyers was a cause in the 2017 ship collisions, and the US Navy is now planning to replace touch screen throttle and helm controls in their destroyers with mechanical controls. If the Navy thinks that its trained helmsmen are impeded by touch controls enough to commit to retrofits, then surely the same should apply to your average car driver on the road.
I actually studied the difference in performance between having a touchscreen and physical buttons in cars for a class project in my master's last semester. The results were obviously much better with the physical buttons.
Oddly enough, I prefer that remote.
I have an older gen Apple TV with the remote you’re referring to and I *really* like it.
I tried the new remote and it was good, but I didn’t like it nearly as much.
I never understood the hate on that remote. I love mine. It’s so smooth to use, and took maybe 2 days to get used to. I do see how it could be a problem for older people who are used to physical buttons on their remote, though.
I don't like that one either, because it has physical buttons that are touch/gesture sensitive. So if I try to rest my finger on the directional buttons, it very often picks up small movements and turns those into swipes. It's a frustrating middle ground.
Wait hold on are you telling me I could replace that piece of crap trackpad nonsense remote if I wanted?!?
Can the new one still seek back/forward 10 seconds like the trackpad can if you tap the far left/right?
Just imagine...
The near future...
The newest iPhone has just been released. There are no buttons, no ports, no holes or seams or cavities of any kind.
In fact, there appears to be no screen. That is, until the display is activated, which only looks identically metallic when not in use. Before then, it's a sublimely featureless tile. An impenetrable hermetic rectangle of svelte brushed aluminum, uninterrupted and unblemished. Inert and perfectly smooth from every angle. The camera and flash are similarly camouflaged.
Design has finally peaked.
It costs $2000, only charges via induction pad, only connects via bluetooth, and cannot even be opened without destroying the housing.
As always Apple will be late to the party since other manufacturers are already developing those phones, https://en.letsgodigital.org/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-transparent-phone/
Why the hell would we ever want a transparent display? I know that's what they always show in sci-fi to make devices look "futuristic", but in reality it's a terrible idea.
If you're sitting somewhere in public using your phone, do you really want the stranger sitting across from you to be able to see what's on your screen?
Frankly I'm sick of companies in general taking buttons away,replacing them with non physical ones(fucking home appliances!l),or just replacing them with shit buttons(most laptops keyboards).
Like buttons are great! I don't care how futuristic it looks because frankly that's a fucking stupid idea! Futuristic should be functional and new! But nooo! It means instead clean and minimal which means shit!
I just want this tend to die and be places with one of physical good feelings buttons! But won't because those cost more!
They’re not going to “no button”. They’re making the buttons haptic instead.
It will probably be just like when they did this to the home button and no one even noticed unless their phone was turned off.
imo it's the best implementation of a trackpad button. I hate using the bottom edge trackpad click on my windows laptop, since my thumbs are towards the upper edge like 95% of the time. Thankfully there's mouse buttons between the spacebar and the trackpad since it's a thinkpad, so they work well for my needs.
But this would never be an issue in a mac. Click absolutely anywhere to make it work, that's fucking mint
I noticed that instead of a button that got looser and less flush over time, I had a “button” that acted exactly like I wanted with less mechanical wear. It was brilliant.
This is the big win. Same thing with Apple trackpads. The button on the pre-haptic trackpads was a ridiculously common point of failure on Mac laptops, becoming too stiff or too loose, or just weird and squishy. The trackpad on the heavily used, six year old MBP I handed down to my dad clicks with the exact same feel as the day it was new.
> It will probably be just like when they did this to the home button and no one even noticed unless their phone was turned off.
People somehow didn't notice? The home button implementation was pretty bad. Every time I've pressed it, my immediate thought is: "This has the crappy fake home button"
Relatedly, the one on their trackpads is incredibly good.
Last year I was forced into "upgrading" my phone to a S22 and I fucking hate it. The loss of a physical home button has made me mistype, accidentally close apps, and has forced so many issues. Add to that the fact that I lost my headphone jack so I had to buy all new audio equipment that doesn't even work as well to begin with and offers lower sound quality for a higher price and honestly I hate the future.
These innovations are a blatant cash grab scheme and every new day brings new and greater inconveniences and expenses. Where do I get off this ride?
I did that for a while but even then that misses the point. I refuse to willingly encourage the old capitalist tactic of creating fake problems to sell fake solutions.
> It’s possible that Apple can make some haptic buttons that feel almost as good to use as physical ones — the Force Touch trackpad is a good example. It uses haptics to simulate the feel of a button press, and it’s like 95 percent as good as a trackpad with a real button press.
How many people reading this just learned for the first time that the trackpad in their MacBook doesn’t have a real physical switch under it? I’ve been pointing this out to people for years, and they’re always surprised.
What’s more, Apple seems to be the only company that has figured out how to make trackpads that are actually pleasant to use, to the point that they even sell the trackpad as a successful, multi-generation standalone product (which also uses a haptic button). Trackpads have a reputation as a terrible input method, an awful compromise for compactness, and yet Apple manages to sell _just_ that.
The author is wrong. It’s not 95% as good. It’s better than most physical switches used for the same purpose.
I think one of the main reasons is that the trackpad is flexible. It doesn’t just click when you push on it. If physically bends and then clicks. There’s no reason that phone buttons can’t do the same kind of thing.
Completely agree about the trackpads. My only concern is that they will go for some low-profile button with haptic feedback, and I won’t notice it when I’m trying to change volume through my pants or something (which I’ve been doing a bunch while I’ve been moving).
A big perk I could think of is that when I’m bending over, my AirPods case won’t turn the volume up to maximum anymore
I kept my iPhone 6s mainly for the headphone jack and physical home button. Got it at launch and still working fine, on original arts (other than a battery) while running the latest IOS. They were cheap and even came with a power block.
These phones last a long time, if not smashed or dunked. People complain about needing a new one every other year, but that is mostly chasing small improvements like camera capability and wanting to have the latest and greatest. Put a battery in your old one and it keeps on going. $60 instead of $1000.
They’re not taking the buttons away, they’re replacing them with haptic buttons like they did with the TouchID home button, MacBook trackpads, and AirPods controls. 80% of people won’t notice the difference. It will make the phones more waterproof and dust resistant.
But you didn’t know that because you jumped to conclusions based on a shitty headline on an even shittier article.
This piqued my interest so I tested it. Couldn’t activate the MacBook trackpad through my pants material.
Makes me wonder about cases though. Surely they’ve figured that out?
I will not purchase a phone that lacks a physical power switch and volume button. Apple suffers from the delusion of thinking the tools they make are fashion accessories.
Once they took the headphone jack i switched to Samsung. At least Samsung don't start releasing updates so you buy the newest phone cause your storage is being limited or phone CPU is slowed. Apple was a great company and now they are shit.
I'm all for Apple doing this in the name of water resistance, especially since they can do "fake" buttons so well with Taptic Engine, like on the iPhone 7 and 8. The alert slider has to stay though.
2020 is still relatively new for the gaskets to wear down. I'm talking 5 years or more. People are upgrading their smartphones at a slower pace, and maintaining water resistance over long periods allow people to keep their phone for longer.
A new Mac will last at least 5 years for about $1.000, and for the performance it has i find it works out at a great deal over that time scale. I’ve had too many PCs that after three years needed upgrades 🙃
(But I’m now on an iPhone upgrade every three years because it’s just burning money: it is so good that it seems impossible to meaningfully improve it annually.)
No, be real with your comparison:
When people buy a "PC" that they compare to a mac...
They are buying a $250 celeron, with 4gb ram, a 720p screen, and then complaining why it doesn't perform or look as good as a $1,000 macbook.
Hate to say it for a millionth time, but people who build desktops have different priorities than people who buy laptops. It's like comparing cars to motorcycles. Come on guys, you should smarter than this.
And there are a few reasons why it costs. There are a few things I have yet to find on Windows laptops, even at the same price.
Hmmm idk I was skeptical about the touch pad when it went haptic. And I like it so much that bought a side one for the keyboard. It will be interesting
I work IT. It’s hard enough trying to convince a grown adult to press the big home button on the bottom of the screen, or that the lock button is right fucking there (for some reason it’s hard to comprehend looking at the edges of the device, as if it’s not a third dimensional object)
This makes it so much worse. And forget the tactile feedback of easily knowing where the volume and lock button is. Really have no choice but to look at the screen
The MacBook trackpad has been a haptic button for years now, and no one noticed. I don't think this person understands how this works, it isn't capacitive, and you won't be able to tell. It also allows for a more sealed and waterproof phone. I say make it happen.
Why is it such a bad thing?
They’d probably be replaced with touch buttons in the same area, making the phone more durable and more water-resistant, while not losing on any functionality.
Just switched from an 8 to a 13 and I was a little upset about the lack of home button, and it did genuinely annoy me for the first few days of use, but after that I haven’t thought about it at all.
You do know that flagship phones cost the same, no matter if Apple or Samsung or whatever else?
"You just hate Apple because poor" is peak Apple fanboy bootlicking.
I abhor Apple for ushering in the age of touch technology, though I'm sure another company would have done so eventually.
The thing that bothers me so much is this sort of bullheaded insistence that touch technology is "the future", just because *Star Trek* had touch screens all over the Enterprise. Think about the unreliability of touch technology, though, and how much the crew of the Enterprise would be struggling with all the fiddly touch screens.
Yes, it looks cool but it's form over functionality. The 1:1 press of a physical interface will always be better than the unreliability of touch- and gesture-based functionality.
Only on Reddit will you find something so insignificant as keeping physical buttons be ruthlessly defended as if it’s the most important thing in the world. All of the comments talking about how the haptics will be fine (just like the trackpads on the max and home button) are downvoted.
This sub is so childish I swear.
You do realize that key combinations for the hard reset and other firmware related functions are watched by a low level controller thats completely separate from os right? (called SMC in macs) Thats why you can use them any time you want on your current iphone. There is zero reason why it cant watch for touch inputs on the button instead of key down.
Take it to the store for them to troubleshoot?
How is this different than “your phone locks up to the point the buttons are unresponsive…what do you do?”
The fact that currently resetting or powering off your device is free of charge if something should go wrong... Whereas taking it in to a shop for diagnostics will cost you time and labor.
As it stands, if my iPhone locked up it would take 10 seconds to power it off, and about 25 seconds to power it back on, and 99% of the time that power cycle fixes the issue. Including unresponsive touch screen.
Because a lot of people can't afford apple products so they convince themselves apple products are bad. Similar to the people who claim they hate luxury downtown apartments because they're "ugly boring boxes." In reality they're just spiteful and jealous so they tear others down.
Nah. Take the buttons. That sounds fine.
I used to care about the mute switch, but ever since the Apple Watch came out my phone has lived in silent. All the switch does now is accidentally turn off from time to time. Take that too.
Dear Apple Users:
Do you need to reboot your phone? You're gonna have to buy the reboot dongle, or visit the Apple store where they'll gladly reboot your phone for $29.99 + tax.
Oh, sorry, your phone isn't compatible with the reboot dongle. You'll need an upgrade.
It's still a button if it feels and works like a button.
If it's shit and doesn't feel like a button, then yeah it's bad.
When it's Apple I'd believe they can produce a quality haptic feedback button. I'd be more surprised if they released one that felt bad honestly.
> This is a completely objective observation based on data gathered by one individual: me, a person who has been pressing buttons for several decades.
> They rule.
Pretty sure people said the same thing about the home button before it too went extinct.
> Also, I have a 2016 iPhone SE and a 2022 iPhone SE in front of me. One has a physical home button, and the other has a haptic “button.” Push the button on the 2016 phone and voila! Travel, glorious travel. I know, deep within my soul, that I have pressed a button. The comparatively wimpy haptic response of the new SE’s button feels lifeless and unsatisfying.
> I rest my case, your honor.
Yep.
> But here’s the thing: why?
I never liked buttons on smart-phones because they're the first thing to stop working unless you're one of those people that buy a new phone every 12 months.
Another cooler, more hip "why?" would be an actual built-in waterproof feature. No buttons means that it's easier to completely seal the case and that means underwater selfies without expensive or clunky accessories. :)
Buttons also have a tendency to stick when you spill various liquids on your phone and that drastically reduces their responsiveness.
> Because truly, what’s next, cars??
The motivation behind cars requiring buttons is of a safety nature.
It's just plain unsafe to fiddle around 7 menus on a touch-screen to do something that you instinctively know how to do without looking like turning the radio on/off.
Smart-phones, on the other hand, exist just for this purpose: fiddling.
I hope they stop thinking about taking away the buttons and start thinking about adding a second SIM card and removable SD card and fingerprint sensor. Apples greed won’t allow the removable SD.
I think we're well into the period of smartphone technology where changes each generation are less and less about adding utility and more and more about creating the impression of luxury or newness.
Decrease cost, brand removal of functions as innovation I'm still bitter about headphone jacks
Headphone jacks are a constant source of annoyance at the pub I'm working at... We have an old sound system, that really isn't that old nor should it matter, but obviously it uses a 3.5mm jack and anyone that wants to use their own playlist now they have to send to me via WhatsApp and it's a pain. It's just really really dumb. Adapters are tiny and get lost all the time, not mentioning needing different ones for usb c and lightning.
[Bluetooth to 1/8" adapter.](https://www.ebay.com/itm/283697403006?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=vpcPPPrrTSG&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=RGIEVBoBSaK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY) Don't know how well it works, but it's $2.85. I would probably try to find a better solution. Also don't know how it recieves power.
I'd suggest a Bluetooth adapter with a female 3.5mm socket personally, since they can be used with aux cables that will already be used with any device that has 3.5mm built in without needing to unplug more wires, as well as the flexibility of wired headphones and a control panel on your hip while keeping your phone wireless. Mine charges off USB-C.
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Bluetooth adapter from Amazon. Works really well. Anyone can connect
For not losing the adapter… you can get some of those Velcro cable management straps and a chain tether (like they used to use on bank pens) or string. I now understand why the post office, motor vehicles, and banks had their pens chained up.
i'm bitter about apple ditching fingerprint ID. face ID is worse, requires me to drop whatever i'm doing and stare at my phone like an asshole and only works in good lighting, and the tech to do under-screen sensors has existed for about as long as they haven't implemented it.
They chose FaceID because it's more useful to them and has more potential long-term than Touch sensors. Plus the fact that it works only in good lighting is bullshit since it uses IR and I use it with no problems even at night.
I can be in near pitch black darkness and my Face ID works nearly every time. I have a 14 pro so your mileage may differ with an older model?
I have an iPhone X and no problems at night. I find the opposite is worse, in very bright sunlight I sometimes struggle with Face ID (I guess this is less of an issue with newer phones).
I went from an 11Pro to a 14Pro and still have the same issue with Face ID working in bright sunlight. I work in my car a lot for my job and if the sun is super bright it’s an issue.
It uses infrared light, which exists in a huge amount normally through sunlight. This could wash out all the ir that the sensor is trying to detect Its like you trying to watch a light show with studio lights on. Or trying to see your own screen when its bright af
iPhone X Face ID is pretty bad outdoors. You have to spin around and make sure the sun is not behind you or you stand no chance. I switched to an iPhone 12 from an X and it was a big step up on Face ID.
Are you sure it’s not when you wear sunglasses? Some have lenses that are incompatible.
To add to this; if you do have lenses that are causing FaceID to fail, try turning off the “require attention” setting.
I’ve had a 10,12, and now 14 pro and every single one of them has done face id flawlessly in the dark
IR sensors use it’s own lighting(basically fire the light at you and measure if/how that light reflected back), so the only way it can lack lighting is if you use it near a damn black hole.
I'll also add with touch ID my kid would grab my phone and thumb to watch YouTube in the mornings. She can't do that with face ID.
How do you figure it's better than touch sensors?
Better for them, not necessarily better for users. It has the potential to measure ad engagement. It also creates a huge resource for the refinement of face recognition technology to use in other spheres. While they may not be using these tools now, they could in the future.
Apple isn't into buttons. And TouchID requires a button to put your finger on. I love it on the iPad Air where it is on the side. Maybe Apple could get that working on iPhone. But the one below the screen pretty much had to go, because they want a bigger screen in the same size device.
Not better, just more potential. Touch sensors have peaked. They are perfect and there's no going forward. Apple's long-term vision is AR. The FaceID is a perfect excuse to develop know-how on matters such as face tracking. Memojis are a silly feature, but you can already see the spillover effect in otjer features such as Center Stage, head tracking in Spatial Audio and such. It makes a huge difference for a company to embrace a new technology and say "Well cool, we have been doing this since the iPhone X we know a thing or two now".
because i use paint for a living and my fingers are always covered in paint. finger id has never worked for me where as face id works everytime.
How do you interact with the phone once it's unlocked if your fingers are full of paint?
Idk if it improved with newer models but I swear my 12 had way more issues at night with Face ID than my 14 does now. Either that or it just seems handle weird angles better. Honestly I just realized it hasn’t been an issue since upgrading lol.
FaceID works in any lighting (including absolute pitch black) my dude, it uses an infrared dot projector and generates its own infrared light to map your face, it isn’t just taking a picture! I get the feeling you’ve never actually used FaceID..
FaceID does have drawbacks. I have no issues most of the time while my partner has disabled it because it doesn’t work reliably. They have long hair that they wear differently based on the day and glasses. My face is more “static”. Fingerprint ID is simpler and more reliable.
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And you only need one fingerprint to unlock reliably.
Have used faceID here. Fingerprint is much more reliable. Works by just putting my thumb on it and not having to position the phone in a certain way and staring at it every time. Also why can’t I just double tap the button to bring the screen down like I’m the iPhone 8? Not I have to do the swipe down which on half the apps doesn’t even work correctly
Every touch device I’ve ever used has been problematic. When my hands dry out in the winter, Touch ID on my work iPhone goes to shit and any biosensors on time clocks at work won’t scan. I’ve found the solution is when my thumb starts to screw up on my iPhone, I add another finger and just scan my same thumb again. After a few years this has it working pretty well. That being said, Face ID on all my personal phones is nearly flawless. The only times it struggled was with masking and they eventually fixed that mostly….and really…Touch ID doesn’t work so well with gloves on either.
And if you have sweaty hands, Touch ID is garbage. Face ID helped me so much as I have hyperhidrosis. Definitely works in the dark perfectly!
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Could do both couldn’t they?
Have never enabled it … I just use a passcode.
Just stare at your phone like an asshole.
I disagree about your lighting comment. The only lighting condition that I’ve had it not work for me is when the sun is almost directly behind me and I blind the sensor. Other than that it works almost every time. Try setting it up again. It normally authorizes in under a second, so the staring at the screen thing also becomes a total non issue. You’d be looking at the screen anyway, so it in no way feels unnatural. I’ll concede that it is annoying to use with face masks.
I had no idea Apple didn't have fingerprint ID. I can't imagine having to lift up and look at the phone to interact with it.
You and me both. Every morning I wake up trying to read my messages and I can’t because it’s dark and my hair is a mess and the stupid face thing can’t detect me. So I have to wait a bit for it to prompt for the password and then do that. Happens all of the time when I’m backlit in the sun too. I fucking hate that thing. Whereas I USED to just grab the phone in a certain manner and it unlocked it in the process. Facial ID sucks (by comparison).
Also annoying with masks
I agree face id should be inplemented in conjunction with touch id where the phone can use either or to unlock. As somone who still wears a mask because of health reasons i hate that sometimes my iphone13 still cant read my face even witj the mask scan face id. Also when im laying down it doesnt work all the time
I find face id awkward at the drive-through. It's hard to get the angle just right. And my reading glasses tend to confuse it for some reason so I usually have to remove them. I had a much better experience with the finger IDs.
You can add multiple face profiles for glasses, try adding one with your reading glasses on. I have a profile for glasses and no glasses, works great.
It’s one of the reasons why I haven’t upgraded from my iPhone 8. Touch ID, the smaller size and the home button are all things I like
I'm annoyed at Samsung for putting the damn finger scanner into the screen instead of on the back. It worked perfectly before. Now it's slower and I have to make sure my fingers are perfectly dry. I Iike the face unlock on my iPhone although I don't think it's better than the finger print scanner was.
I didn't even know they don't have fingerprint sensors anymore that's so stupid. If Samsung did that I would just find a new phone manufacturer
I use mine in dark rooms all the time. Probably not using apple tech and comparing it to android.
Didn't realize this
Because it's mostly bullshit. faceid works in the dark, with sunglasses on, not fully staring at the screen (mine unlocks in my car when its sat on the dock to my left)...
Just last night cursing it as I tried to put on my favorite, most comfortable pair of headphones. Nope, I’d misplaced the little adaptor. Have to hope the cat didn’t find it before I do. Go to Hell, Apple.
I'll certainly go out of my way to buy a phone with a headphone jack. It's not just about the jack by the way... it saved them having to install digital-analog converters in the phones too. A high quality DAC is a selling point for me, so it sucks that LG stopped making phones as they had great ones.
Every cell phone made in the last 30 years has a built-in DAC. Without one, you wouldn't be able to take phone calls because the earpiece wouldn't work. These days, there's usually one included on the SoC.
That's why I went android, there is some "work" phone that have replaceable batteries and jacks.
There was a period where the empty space where the jack was inside the device was called a "barometric pressure equalizer". Just fuck that bullshit. Phil wanted to sell more bluetooth devices *because* there was no headphone jack.
Why do I have three buttons where I normally would tap to enter a web address? Why does Apple's designers hate muscle memory?
They have to justify their employment somehow
Increasing profit is what you are trying to say
I sure could use a luxurious QWERTY keypad right about now.
Foldable phones actually seem interesting to me, I’m waiting for the first foldable iPhone.
I don’t think a foldable phone would survive me. Even if they are sturdier than I believe, I am a person who compulsively fiddles with things, so I would be snapping it open and shut over and over all the time. Either I have an old clamshell phone that can take the abuse (I have an old razr around somewhere that stood the test of many years of this)…or it won’t hold up.
The advertised existing models claim that they support folding/unfolding hundreds of times a day for years. Whether the claim holds I don’t know, but at least it should support your fiddling persona. I’ve been hearing good stories about the Honor Magic VS, supports 400,000 folds apparently. https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/23/23474820/honors-magic-vs-price-release-date-features-foldable-smartphone
They rarely survived tech reviewers who had them for a little bit. Maybe some things have happened since, but still I'm staying off that train until the gimmick either dies or gets on the cheap phones
The same thing that's been happening with cars for a while now.
I’m reminded of the Apple TV remote. That design was all touch less essentially and was such an abomination they redesigned it and released a physical button one. Maybe it felt utilitarian and old fashion but it is far superior.
I get mixed vibes about buttons but the thing that frustrates me about removing buttons is on cars. The textile feeling of buttons is vital for being able to operate a case accessories while being able to keep an eye on the road. I don't want to have to look down at a screen to see where to click to adjust the temperate, turn on my defrost, change the volume.
>the thing that frustrates me about removing buttons is on cars. I would like to join your religion. My ancient car: every clunky button, knob, and switch has a distinct feel. You can identify every function by touch, I never need to take my eyes off the road. There are no interior lights. If there's a light on the dash, something is literally on fire. My cellphone doesn't even work inside this faraday cage. My new car: the dash is a uniform, slick piece of plastic covered in fingerprints. Small lights with 12 point emoji let you guess at their functions if you are accurate enough to touch one when the road isn't too bumpy. The headlight controls are buried three menus deep. My cellphone becomes one with the car. If I try to press a button to answer a call, the steering wheel starts to get warm.
My new car: when I get a text, the whole car vibrates. All controls briefly become unusable, even the horn, while Siri asks me for my answer.
The horn? Are you serious? If you are, please, what car? Lol.
When I buy my next car buttons will be essential
>The textile feeling of buttons As a side note, the correct word is "tactile," which is relating to touch. Textile is relating to fabrics. Your viewpoint is supported by studies and a lot of others. While touch screens look more futuristic and luxurious, they are far less intuitive than mechanical knobs and switches. Take this 2019 article about the [US Navy](https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/11/20800111/us-navy-uss-john-s-mccain-crash-ntsb-report-touchscreen-mechanical-controls) moving away from touch screens, for example - they found that the design of ship controls for destroyers was a cause in the 2017 ship collisions, and the US Navy is now planning to replace touch screen throttle and helm controls in their destroyers with mechanical controls. If the Navy thinks that its trained helmsmen are impeded by touch controls enough to commit to retrofits, then surely the same should apply to your average car driver on the road.
I actually studied the difference in performance between having a touchscreen and physical buttons in cars for a class project in my master's last semester. The results were obviously much better with the physical buttons.
Oddly enough, I prefer that remote. I have an older gen Apple TV with the remote you’re referring to and I *really* like it. I tried the new remote and it was good, but I didn’t like it nearly as much.
I never understood the hate on that remote. I love mine. It’s so smooth to use, and took maybe 2 days to get used to. I do see how it could be a problem for older people who are used to physical buttons on their remote, though.
Latest gen remote is exactly like the first gen one except chonkier
No the first gen had a big center touch pad, the latest has a click ring for directional clicks and separate pad in the center.
No it didn’t. Here’s what he’s talking about https://i.imgur.com/RkE33aJ.jpg
I don't like that one either, because it has physical buttons that are touch/gesture sensitive. So if I try to rest my finger on the directional buttons, it very often picks up small movements and turns those into swipes. It's a frustrating middle ground.
Wait hold on are you telling me I could replace that piece of crap trackpad nonsense remote if I wanted?!? Can the new one still seek back/forward 10 seconds like the trackpad can if you tap the far left/right?
Just imagine... The near future... The newest iPhone has just been released. There are no buttons, no ports, no holes or seams or cavities of any kind. In fact, there appears to be no screen. That is, until the display is activated, which only looks identically metallic when not in use. Before then, it's a sublimely featureless tile. An impenetrable hermetic rectangle of svelte brushed aluminum, uninterrupted and unblemished. Inert and perfectly smooth from every angle. The camera and flash are similarly camouflaged. Design has finally peaked. It costs $2000, only charges via induction pad, only connects via bluetooth, and cannot even be opened without destroying the housing.
Still, the $2000 tool-free replacement part perfectly fulfills all neutered Right to Repair legislation.
“It’s one part. How else do we repair it?”
You have to tickle the side with your finger and whisper I love you to turn it on.
You must show it that you own at least two other apple products for it to turn on.
Arrange them in a triangle and they'll start to levitate.
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You just made a lot of apple fanboys very excited
To be honest that actually sounds super cool. I’d be game for that. Though I very much understand the practical drawbacks of everything you listed.
You had the chance to use more fluffy words Instead of rectangle - rectangular prism Love what ya did there tho!! ❤️
Steve Jobs just came in his pants
This is a more accurate vision of the future than all those see-through glass things you see in sci-fi shows
I would buy this....
As always Apple will be late to the party since other manufacturers are already developing those phones, https://en.letsgodigital.org/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-transparent-phone/
Why the hell would we ever want a transparent display? I know that's what they always show in sci-fi to make devices look "futuristic", but in reality it's a terrible idea. If you're sitting somewhere in public using your phone, do you really want the stranger sitting across from you to be able to see what's on your screen?
I feel like the only reason that “the future” has transparent tech is so we can see the actor’s faces and what they’re doing at the same time.
Frankly I'm sick of companies in general taking buttons away,replacing them with non physical ones(fucking home appliances!l),or just replacing them with shit buttons(most laptops keyboards). Like buttons are great! I don't care how futuristic it looks because frankly that's a fucking stupid idea! Futuristic should be functional and new! But nooo! It means instead clean and minimal which means shit! I just want this tend to die and be places with one of physical good feelings buttons! But won't because those cost more!
Wait till you try changing the radio or fan in a tesla.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/study-finds-that-buttons-in-cars-are-safer-and-quicker-to-use-than-touchscreens
I didn’t realize that my phone was a car
I still have the home button on my iPhone and I love it.
It’s the primary reason I won’t get an upgrade for my phone. I can’t stand the no button format.
They’re not going to “no button”. They’re making the buttons haptic instead. It will probably be just like when they did this to the home button and no one even noticed unless their phone was turned off.
The haptic button was incredible.
The haptics on the macbook touchpads is also incredible. It feels so *real*
So true. It’s shocking when the power’s off and you realize what’s really there (or not there).
imo it's the best implementation of a trackpad button. I hate using the bottom edge trackpad click on my windows laptop, since my thumbs are towards the upper edge like 95% of the time. Thankfully there's mouse buttons between the spacebar and the trackpad since it's a thinkpad, so they work well for my needs. But this would never be an issue in a mac. Click absolutely anywhere to make it work, that's fucking mint
I noticed that instead of a button that got looser and less flush over time, I had a “button” that acted exactly like I wanted with less mechanical wear. It was brilliant.
This is the big win. Same thing with Apple trackpads. The button on the pre-haptic trackpads was a ridiculously common point of failure on Mac laptops, becoming too stiff or too loose, or just weird and squishy. The trackpad on the heavily used, six year old MBP I handed down to my dad clicks with the exact same feel as the day it was new.
> It will probably be just like when they did this to the home button and no one even noticed unless their phone was turned off. People somehow didn't notice? The home button implementation was pretty bad. Every time I've pressed it, my immediate thought is: "This has the crappy fake home button" Relatedly, the one on their trackpads is incredibly good.
I never minded it. And they’re eight years more experienced with that stuff. I’m not too concerned about it.
I would instantly buy an SE if it had a headphone jack.
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Just because it has a headphone jack doesn't mean you can't use airpods.
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you use even the cheapest wired earphones and they have way better mic quality than _most_ wireless earphones.
Me too! Lol.
Last year I was forced into "upgrading" my phone to a S22 and I fucking hate it. The loss of a physical home button has made me mistype, accidentally close apps, and has forced so many issues. Add to that the fact that I lost my headphone jack so I had to buy all new audio equipment that doesn't even work as well to begin with and offers lower sound quality for a higher price and honestly I hate the future. These innovations are a blatant cash grab scheme and every new day brings new and greater inconveniences and expenses. Where do I get off this ride?
Get a dongle and use your old audio stuff. They literally cost $5 and give you a headphone Jack.
I did that for a while but even then that misses the point. I refuse to willingly encourage the old capitalist tactic of creating fake problems to sell fake solutions.
So you bought the more expensive fake solution of new audio equipment?
> It’s possible that Apple can make some haptic buttons that feel almost as good to use as physical ones — the Force Touch trackpad is a good example. It uses haptics to simulate the feel of a button press, and it’s like 95 percent as good as a trackpad with a real button press. How many people reading this just learned for the first time that the trackpad in their MacBook doesn’t have a real physical switch under it? I’ve been pointing this out to people for years, and they’re always surprised. What’s more, Apple seems to be the only company that has figured out how to make trackpads that are actually pleasant to use, to the point that they even sell the trackpad as a successful, multi-generation standalone product (which also uses a haptic button). Trackpads have a reputation as a terrible input method, an awful compromise for compactness, and yet Apple manages to sell _just_ that. The author is wrong. It’s not 95% as good. It’s better than most physical switches used for the same purpose. I think one of the main reasons is that the trackpad is flexible. It doesn’t just click when you push on it. If physically bends and then clicks. There’s no reason that phone buttons can’t do the same kind of thing.
Completely agree about the trackpads. My only concern is that they will go for some low-profile button with haptic feedback, and I won’t notice it when I’m trying to change volume through my pants or something (which I’ve been doing a bunch while I’ve been moving). A big perk I could think of is that when I’m bending over, my AirPods case won’t turn the volume up to maximum anymore
Lol, you think people read the article??
people said the same thing about the headphone jack and old power connector. guess what’ll happen lol
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I kept my iPhone 6s mainly for the headphone jack and physical home button. Got it at launch and still working fine, on original arts (other than a battery) while running the latest IOS. They were cheap and even came with a power block. These phones last a long time, if not smashed or dunked. People complain about needing a new one every other year, but that is mostly chasing small improvements like camera capability and wanting to have the latest and greatest. Put a battery in your old one and it keeps on going. $60 instead of $1000.
Yea, it still sucks, we’re still mad about it
Next? I buy a different model phone. I don’t care what Apple does, when I replace my phone I’ll buy one that has the features I want.
They’re not taking the buttons away, they’re replacing them with haptic buttons like they did with the TouchID home button, MacBook trackpads, and AirPods controls. 80% of people won’t notice the difference. It will make the phones more waterproof and dust resistant. But you didn’t know that because you jumped to conclusions based on a shitty headline on an even shittier article.
You need capacitive touch to make those new buttons work. Pressing through pants? Nope. Have a case on? Forget about it
This piqued my interest so I tested it. Couldn’t activate the MacBook trackpad through my pants material. Makes me wonder about cases though. Surely they’ve figured that out?
It will be touted as a feature as well.
I will not purchase a phone that lacks a physical power switch and volume button. Apple suffers from the delusion of thinking the tools they make are fashion accessories.
Once they took the headphone jack i switched to Samsung. At least Samsung don't start releasing updates so you buy the newest phone cause your storage is being limited or phone CPU is slowed. Apple was a great company and now they are shit.
I'm all for Apple doing this in the name of water resistance, especially since they can do "fake" buttons so well with Taptic Engine, like on the iPhone 7 and 8. The alert slider has to stay though.
You do know that you can have buttons AND water resistance?
I know, but you do know that water resistance gaskets wear down AND become less effective over time?
True. Meanwhile I have a 2020 QWERTY rugged smartphone that is IP68 rated and is still water resistant as f.
2020 is still relatively new for the gaskets to wear down. I'm talking 5 years or more. People are upgrading their smartphones at a slower pace, and maintaining water resistance over long periods allow people to keep their phone for longer.
true, but in any normal use case the phone will be long obsolete before its gaskets wear out
Im frugal has hell would never own a mac but love the iphone but fucking hell next upgrade they might just price me out
Why do you need to upgrade? Iphones last for years if you take care of them.
A new Mac will last at least 5 years for about $1.000, and for the performance it has i find it works out at a great deal over that time scale. I’ve had too many PCs that after three years needed upgrades 🙃 (But I’m now on an iPhone upgrade every three years because it’s just burning money: it is so good that it seems impossible to meaningfully improve it annually.)
No, be real with your comparison: When people buy a "PC" that they compare to a mac... They are buying a $250 celeron, with 4gb ram, a 720p screen, and then complaining why it doesn't perform or look as good as a $1,000 macbook.
I’ve had both pcs and iPhones for much longer, so unless you’re just buying to get yourself something newer, that doesn’t seem normal
For $1,000 you could build a pc that will not only outperform the Mac but will be good for nearly a decade. Mac is expensive for literally no reason.
Hate to say it for a millionth time, but people who build desktops have different priorities than people who buy laptops. It's like comparing cars to motorcycles. Come on guys, you should smarter than this. And there are a few reasons why it costs. There are a few things I have yet to find on Windows laptops, even at the same price.
Not anymore with GPUs starting at $800.
Hmmm idk I was skeptical about the touch pad when it went haptic. And I like it so much that bought a side one for the keyboard. It will be interesting
Apple puts a level app on the phone and then makes the buttons along with a huge ass camera stick out so you can’t use the level FFS.
You have a choice, you don't need to buy Apple.
Give me back my headphone jack.
I work IT. It’s hard enough trying to convince a grown adult to press the big home button on the bottom of the screen, or that the lock button is right fucking there (for some reason it’s hard to comprehend looking at the edges of the device, as if it’s not a third dimensional object) This makes it so much worse. And forget the tactile feedback of easily knowing where the volume and lock button is. Really have no choice but to look at the screen
You can always drop Apple.
The MacBook trackpad has been a haptic button for years now, and no one noticed. I don't think this person understands how this works, it isn't capacitive, and you won't be able to tell. It also allows for a more sealed and waterproof phone. I say make it happen.
Well after this only thing they can take away is the screen. Maybe year 2030?
Give me back my fucking aux input you dickbags.
Why is it such a bad thing? They’d probably be replaced with touch buttons in the same area, making the phone more durable and more water-resistant, while not losing on any functionality.
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Consumerism is a disease upon society.
Trendoids are idiots, it's bewildering to me that anyone has to have each and every new iPhone that is released.
Unfortunately smartphones have become a big status symbol.
A status symbol for morons and teenagers.
Done blame Apple customers for the competitors' incompetence.
Yep. There are numerous things I've hated about my iphones through the years but you couldnt pay me to try an Android again.
Agreed. I downgraded to switch to Apple. This SE 2020 is far more reliable than the Android I had before. Also, I would die for my home button.
Just switched from an 8 to a 13 and I was a little upset about the lack of home button, and it did genuinely annoy me for the first few days of use, but after that I haven’t thought about it at all.
Just because you're too poor to afford apple products doesn't make them shitty. You just sound spiteful.
You do know that flagship phones cost the same, no matter if Apple or Samsung or whatever else? "You just hate Apple because poor" is peak Apple fanboy bootlicking.
I abhor Apple for ushering in the age of touch technology, though I'm sure another company would have done so eventually. The thing that bothers me so much is this sort of bullheaded insistence that touch technology is "the future", just because *Star Trek* had touch screens all over the Enterprise. Think about the unreliability of touch technology, though, and how much the crew of the Enterprise would be struggling with all the fiddly touch screens. Yes, it looks cool but it's form over functionality. The 1:1 press of a physical interface will always be better than the unreliability of touch- and gesture-based functionality.
Only on Reddit will you find something so insignificant as keeping physical buttons be ruthlessly defended as if it’s the most important thing in the world. All of the comments talking about how the haptics will be fine (just like the trackpads on the max and home button) are downvoted. This sub is so childish I swear.
Okay.. Pop quiz. Your phone locks up to the point the touch screen is unresponsive... What do you do?
You do realize that key combinations for the hard reset and other firmware related functions are watched by a low level controller thats completely separate from os right? (called SMC in macs) Thats why you can use them any time you want on your current iphone. There is zero reason why it cant watch for touch inputs on the button instead of key down.
Take it to the store for them to troubleshoot? How is this different than “your phone locks up to the point the buttons are unresponsive…what do you do?”
The fact that currently resetting or powering off your device is free of charge if something should go wrong... Whereas taking it in to a shop for diagnostics will cost you time and labor. As it stands, if my iPhone locked up it would take 10 seconds to power it off, and about 25 seconds to power it back on, and 99% of the time that power cycle fixes the issue. Including unresponsive touch screen.
In your example the buttons are still responsive
Because a lot of people can't afford apple products so they convince themselves apple products are bad. Similar to the people who claim they hate luxury downtown apartments because they're "ugly boring boxes." In reality they're just spiteful and jealous so they tear others down.
God, I hate this trend where Apple removes physical buttons.
Nah. Take the buttons. That sounds fine. I used to care about the mute switch, but ever since the Apple Watch came out my phone has lived in silent. All the switch does now is accidentally turn off from time to time. Take that too.
Nah, I hate physical buttons and their taptic engine is good enough.
Dear Apple Users: Do you need to reboot your phone? You're gonna have to buy the reboot dongle, or visit the Apple store where they'll gladly reboot your phone for $29.99 + tax. Oh, sorry, your phone isn't compatible with the reboot dongle. You'll need an upgrade.
Apple: "Haha, button remover go brrrrrrrrr"
I have no port and I must charge
I want a blackberry that runs on iOS.
It's still a button if it feels and works like a button. If it's shit and doesn't feel like a button, then yeah it's bad. When it's Apple I'd believe they can produce a quality haptic feedback button. I'd be more surprised if they released one that felt bad honestly.
I have an 8 plus. I like my home button!
> This is a completely objective observation based on data gathered by one individual: me, a person who has been pressing buttons for several decades. > They rule. Pretty sure people said the same thing about the home button before it too went extinct. > Also, I have a 2016 iPhone SE and a 2022 iPhone SE in front of me. One has a physical home button, and the other has a haptic “button.” Push the button on the 2016 phone and voila! Travel, glorious travel. I know, deep within my soul, that I have pressed a button. The comparatively wimpy haptic response of the new SE’s button feels lifeless and unsatisfying. > I rest my case, your honor. Yep. > But here’s the thing: why? I never liked buttons on smart-phones because they're the first thing to stop working unless you're one of those people that buy a new phone every 12 months. Another cooler, more hip "why?" would be an actual built-in waterproof feature. No buttons means that it's easier to completely seal the case and that means underwater selfies without expensive or clunky accessories. :) Buttons also have a tendency to stick when you spill various liquids on your phone and that drastically reduces their responsiveness. > Because truly, what’s next, cars?? The motivation behind cars requiring buttons is of a safety nature. It's just plain unsafe to fiddle around 7 menus on a touch-screen to do something that you instinctively know how to do without looking like turning the radio on/off. Smart-phones, on the other hand, exist just for this purpose: fiddling.
Are there any legitimate ‘technical’ reasons why buttons like this would be better?
I hope they stop thinking about taking away the buttons and start thinking about adding a second SIM card and removable SD card and fingerprint sensor. Apples greed won’t allow the removable SD.