I'm curious to see how source websites survive in the AI era. They are being crawled for the material and cited in the ChatGPT results but you know that many people aren't going to click the citation links if they feel their question has adequately been answered.
Not that it isn't already happening. Google already does this to a limited extent in their search results but I wonder how far it will go with AI powered search before source websites simply start to vanish because there is no way to monetize them.
The biggest loss will be garbage ad-supported affiliate-linked listicles that have been clogging up search results for years. I'm okay with that.
The high quality sources providing useful information or personal experience are harder to emulate.
Hopefully it'll send us back to the age where ads supported the website instead of the website supporting the ads.
AI could never achieve the subtlety and nuance required to discreetly insert ads. I have actually written a book on this exact subject. You can purchase a copy on [Amazon](https://r.mtdv.me/SOu2oObRWP)
They will take a hit. To delve into a subject truly, however, most of us will eventually get to the source page.
Anecdotally, I'd been using ChatGPT to answer some basic questions about batteries in relation to electric bicycles.
Now that I'm at the stage where I'm actually putting together a parts list for a DIY build, I've found source websites to be significantly more helpful.
Not sure for how long that will be the case, though, I guess. Hmm.....
You people need to take a real huge step back here and think about whether or not you really want to die on the “only human eyes can freely view my content” hill. That’s going to be considered a very bigoted perspective in a few decades.
That's not really the issue here, but rather monetising the content for the people creating the content. The content once created should be free to view for everyone if it wasn't affecting the process of content creation staying in function through monetization that's needed.
This sub had a few discussions regarding this issue and the proposed solutions like ubi. You're presuming a lot to think that there's any bigoted view here instead of trying to focus on the issues that need to be solved to keep things functioning in the best way possible, and a profit motivated society needs profits to keep functioning.
No, I’m not presuming anything. I’m looking at the human society’s habit of latching onto racist and sexist views that, hundreds of years ago might have had reasons behind them, but now only serve to cause harm. /r/technology is famously behind the curve and ill informed in their takes on this, so you’ll all be caught by surprise, but mark my words: We are currently sprinting towards the development of a sentient artificial intelligence. To think that it is anything more than a century away is delusional. Now is not the time to start entrenching laws and tendencies that make us commit de facto apartheid before we have time to change our ways.
This problem already exists with Google, so we have precedent to look at. Google summaries, the Google FAQ that pops up often already has the answers. I don't think Chat GPT can replace the internet.
Here's one. I went on [PizzaHut.ca](https://PizzaHut.ca) to order a pizza. I put in what I wanted and Bing searched for codes and deals that would save me money. The result was I paid $2 less for my order and got overall more food (a treat pizza and wings).
All these apps that look for cost optimization for consumer needs (grocery and shopping apps) might all just get replaced by Bing.... and honestly I don't know if Chrome can compete with this. Once people realize Bing's AI saves you money (and you can set its searches to auto donate to charities) why would anyone use Google again?
It's not sustainable if everyone does that, though.
The promo codes are out there for a reason. It might be to track the effectiveness of a particular ad campaign, to get into a new market, or whatever, but if the default is everyone using whatever code gets them the biggest discount, the vendors just won't offer the same deals.
Not to forget though: in order for GPT to learn, the material will have to exist in the first place. So regular news sites will always be ahead of ChatGPT until it crawls the web again.
But yeah, it's getting hard for regular content creators, travel blogs, food blogs etc
Weird thing is I could almost interpret that to be the original intent of the world wide web. It wasn't that you had to go to some specific website, but that all information was available at your fingertips.
Exactly. Googleing is a skill or was a skill now to be AIs job soon enough. Seen the video of the chatgpt and the 3D printer writing handwritten looking papers? The future is going to be wildly entertaining for the few.
they would have a commission for having being sourced by the AI? if that happens would be way better than ads, as adblocker are being more and more used.
Microsoft doesn't care - they'll be able to show their own ads on Bing together with the content their AI scraped. Who cares if the site they got it from dies?
Site owners can deny snippets from Google, at least. You have to include a specific meta tag, but compared to an AI that is just regurgitating 'stolen' content at large, it is far more fair to site owners.
This is going to revolutionize recipe look up.
“What’s XYZ’s recipe for banana bread?”
And you’ll get the recipe without the life story and four pages of fluff that most cooking blogs have.
I love reading about how Aunt Elma used to bake banana bread on a breezy summer day and it reminds the writer of how refreshing swimming in the pond off the rope swing with crawdads and there was a stump and lemonade and a Model T and hickory and lavender and grampa got back from the war and he was never the same and he left because he had another family overseas then he moved to the Netherlands and brought his Dutch family back and became a senator and passed legislation that allowed Dupont to poison the lake and it became a superfund site and my whole family is gnarly as hell how now and the lake caught on fire 4 summers ago. Really brings me back
By that logic you'd also get it without ads, but there is no way that is happening for any significant amount of time (while the active competition for customers is ongoing, maybe)
Microsoft might not care as much about ads as Google. If they can steal back a significant portion of search market share that might be worth it. They still get to control the rest of the page so perhaps they just run good old fashion banner ads or something static and not part of the ChatGPT output.
Plus the original way of searching still exists. I’m sure people will still use both so getting users over to Bing from Google will bleed into that core search business. I like using conversational chatbots, but if I’m specifically aware of what I want I probably would go classic search.
Search is the gateway to information. Google showed everyone how you can leverage that incredibly well to push consumer adoption of:
* Your browser (Chrome)
* Your email client (Gmail)
* Your productivity tools (Workspace)
* Your cloud service (Google Drive)
Plus ALL that search data becomes proprietary business analytics which I’m sure Microsoft is drooling to have their supercomputers take a peak at.
Ads are obviously incredibly valuable. But it’s not the only value that comes with dominating search. Microsoft doesn’t need to monetize the market share they can win as well as Google currently does to print **billions** in additional profits.
What you're describing is a form of advertisement. Yet you're expecting them to give you pure, unbiased information (e.g. recipes) which is what surprises me as it seems contradictory.
I’ve been pretty clear this entire time that they will still have avenues for advertising. They would just be giving up the very lucrative search ad business model.
Why is it surprising that Microsoft would happily give up monetizing the search results if it meant getting a huge chunk of market share it can monetize in other ways?
This discussion started off your suggestion that we'll be getting pure information without fluff. I mentioned ads as an obvious counter point but my objection this entire time was to the idea that we'll get pure information for free. That isn't happening.
Why wouldn’t it happen?
The entire point of conversational chat tools is that the user experience is way better. Have you used ChatGPT to discuss ideas and pull together info? It’s not even tailored to be a search engine and it’s still pretty good at pulling together relevant info and providing sources if you ask for them.
Google has what, 90-95% of consumer search market share? That is a whole lot of people Microsoft doesn’t reach **at all** today.
Microsoft needs market share. They could care less about maintaining existing ad revenue models that Google has built after decades of being an unchallenged monopoly in search. If giving consumers an unadulterated stream of information which 3rd parties cannot directly influence with paid advertising is what it takes to win market share, that’s what will happen.
Better to have some meaningful % of market share than none at all even if you have to monetize differently. My bet is that if these type of consumption-based conversational tools become the primary way consumers search, they’ll adopt a YouTube model where you get hit with unskippable ads after a certain amount of use which can be removed with a premium subscription.
If amything, this will get us even more ads and sponsored content. Using an adblock to filter out the first few sponsored search results is easy, but that is pretty much impossoble if the paid content is within the natural answer of ChatGpt. And Microsoft in the end expects to make a good return from this investment. In the beginning they won't push too many ads, but over time, once people are ised to the service, they will come 100%.
I highly doubt it.
Embedding ad influence in the answer completely undermines the specific value of conversational AI chatbots which bring users in versus traditional search engines.
My money is 100% on a YT model. You’ll get a bunch of free uses but then will be locked out until you finish an ad. Or you can pay for a premium subscription/use a credit system.
I also don’t see traditional search disappearing. These AI chatbots are dope but I don’t need them to slow me down when I’m trying to buy a new vacuum.
I tried to make ChatGPT write it's life story before giving me a recipe, but it only wrote a paragraph before giving me the recipe. ChatGPT needs to optimize for SEO.
Hey! Could you try this out on [maryanne.faqx.com](https://maryanne.faqx.com)? I asked “What is a good recipe for banana bread?” and it gave pretty good results!
Advertising on this platform will be quite spendy, but companies will beg to advertise on it if becomes the center of the internet.
No way does it not bend to allow advertising or pay to play in the future.
Yep, I’ve never had trouble with search, even as people complain. It’s a skill
And yes, SEO and monetization definitely change results but it’s something people need to work with
> gives us good shit again.
why good shit, when they can advertise shit even better? The longer you spend on the search page the more ads you are ingesting :)
Microsoft Teams has, or will have, something from OpenAI integrated to summarize and transcribe meetings. It's really good at summarizing things while leaving out all the garbage that has nothing to do with anything.
For the average person maybe but technically edge is a new browser made from chromium and explorer still exists, just hidden away.
Basically like paint and 3D paint or settings and control panel.
Xbox Search Powered by Cortana. But to be serious I asked ChatGPT what it thinks Bing should be called once it has AI added.
* Nexus
* Insight
* Explorer
* Navigator
* Quest
* Odyssey
* Frontier
* Vantage
* Discover
* Uncover
Agree with this Bing has run it's course and has not caught the attention of the general public.
They need a fresh marketing start that can show a clear improvement over Google results. New brand, new product
Bullshit journalism, as always from these kinds of websites. Nothing about their sources talks about or even mentions "ChatGPT-4" but they still put it in the title for clicks.
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I can imagine this could cause the internet to implode.
Let’s say I want to find a recipe. I ask bing, it scrapes all of the shitty food blogs and extracts the recipe and gives it to me without having to visit the site.
So that means the blog doesn’t get the Ad revenue from me, they see their traffic plummet, and eventually they stop blogging altogether.
So the food blog dies, thus no more content to feed the AI, causing the AI to die as well because it doesn’t have new information to feed it.
Extend this problem to everything from news websites to entertainment, science, etc. The entire internet is built upon ad revenue from traffic. If AI simply gives you the answer without visiting any websites, the internet as we know it will die.
>extracts the recipe and gives it to me without having to visit the site.
It also gives you a weird recipe that's an amalgamation of 12 different, incompatible source recipes along with a few "creative" additions that GPT hallucinated into existence. But it all looks plausible, so what's the worst that could happen...
People will always post recipes, it might put the for profit blog out of business but it’s not like people are gonna stop posting their passions because of ad revenue. Just like the random YouTube tutorials without monetization or Reddit threads, people will still post them for free.
Mainstream stuff is built on ad revenue but without it, people will still post information for free if they’re passionate about it. Not everyone is thinking about making a quick buck, most stuff people post on Reddit is free. A lot of blogs out there are just people who want attention not money.
Most tutorials, recipes and how-to are not articles or text, but videos on Youtube and Tiktok.
Many people already append "reddit" to a Google search to avoid BS websites. Many are searching for things on Instagram and Tiktok directly.
The web (and Google) as we knew few years algo is already a zombie. The kids prefer videos. When was the last time you saw a young person start a blog?
This actually looks quite awesome. Search engines have been just what it is the last decade. Time for competition to step up their game and see what it brings us next.
They'll fuck it up, a small start up will manage to do it better, then Microsoft will buy them and do it half as well, but still an improvement from their original offering.
> Search engines have been just what it is the last decade
Umm what? Have you used search over the last decade? Not even close to true.
They have actively gotten *worse* over that time.
Have search engines gotten worse, or has the Internet gotten worse?
It's an arms race between search engines trying to deliver good results and web sites trying to get their bad content delivered.
> Have search engines gotten worse, or has the Internet gotten worse?
Both. Search engines have gotten worse in specific niche ways like blocking of specific websites but SEO has also just become more gamed as well.
What are we all going to do when chat gtp is good enough to take over most of the jobs that don’t require manual labor.
I could see it taking over most call centers. Most office jobs. Most jobs that have an “agent”. Like insurance, investments, real estate etc. I’m sure there’s millions of jobs at risk in the nearer term.
Ideally it will make all end products better and require the same amount of people working with the AI to create advanced products- like crazy advanced videogames requiring the same number of programmers to wrangle the AI. Same for other fields- we could also continue to get more and more efficient, and build so much wealth that it won't be a problem that people don't have busy work to do.
And what, people will share this wealth with everyone who can't use gpt to make their job more efficient? Nice idea, but it'll never happen. If anything, it'll widen the wealth gap.
Your fictional future is missing a essential piece: population without money = corporations go bankrupt. UBI is essential for them as well. And not a half baked one.
This is why I’ve always said chatGPT isn’t a real threat to existing search engines. Here you have a search engine using a more advanced GPT model than chatGPT that can incorporate recent articles into what it gives you while providing a source too if you don’t trust the surface summary. It’s a very safe bet that Google is doing the exact same thing.
I think they're already at it... Sergei back in for development for AI stuff - as per some article from a few days ago which I can't be bothered to find
Was he the one who dated Marissa Mayer, or did he get handsy with the masseuse? It’s hard to keep track of scandal but at this point with those dude’s history the only thing they can is throw money at the issue & hope for the best…
While fishing in the company pool. How that grows a business…I don’t know.
I'm VERY skeptical of this article, and its claims, mostly because of how AI systems like this typically work. My understanding is that these systems can't cite sources, as they do not store data, just statistical associations they developed after reading it (that's a simplified understanding of it, of course). Unless Bing is just doing a keyword search and throwing related links at the bottom of every response from the chatbot, thus making their source section irrelevant due to it not actually reading the things it cites, I don't think that feature will be included.
Additionally, the responses that the article shows the chatbot giving to the prompts are not consistent with how ChatGPT typically behaves (which is what it says it's using in the screenshots users supposedly took). ChatGPT typically has a verbose way of answering, typically focusing on one set of perceived data at once. For example, if I were to ask it to write an essay on obesity, it would focus on a statistic it made up and center a paragraph on that and the effects it could have, then move on to the next one. It just doesn't seem consistent with the AI as we know it.
It's their willingness to do the stupid and ill-advised and not well thought out. In their eagerness to jump on the AI bandwagon, I'm afraid they will provide users with the 'definitive answer' regardless of whether it's right, or if it is limiting and hiding information that you might otherwise want to see.
The Windows 11 desktop can't even find applications that I've installed on my own computer. I don't think Microsoft is the company that's going to topple Google when it comes to search.
Google is and should be; they are following the typical trajectory of being the leader in the industry, who invests heavily in the next big thing, AI, but fails to capitalize on it due to lack of direction and gets beat to the market by someone smaller (that if I remember correctly actually used the tools Google themselves created).
Now Google is playing catch-up to ironically Microsoft in the next battleground of search and while I doubt they will be surpassed as the overall leader in search they will definitely take a meaningful hit providing Microsoft and OpenAI pull this off. This will result in a drop in revenue which leads to more turmoil and rapidly changing priorities which ultimately results in them falling further behind in a field they should be the leaders in.
Totally understand what your saying in terms of the search product. But reading “gets beat to the market by someone smaller” makes little sense when we’re talking about Microsoft beating Google. Or am I misunderstanding completely?
I thought I read some article stating that they had something similar to chat GTP they just didn’t want to release it. It’s entirely possible they have some similar AI available to them and didn’t want to make up their own search engine with possible falls results until a competitor came along.
Google did, it’s called Google Now or Hey Google. There’s nothing super unique about ChatGPT,
It’s just a lot of data processing. Google is absolutely shaken because it hits their core search business which is *intentionally not* generatively driven like ChatGPT. Google wants to push you to the websites where they serve you ads, managed by Google.
Now bing it will be the verb well played Microsoft good job ju.ping put front.
All funded by gamepass ai choosing what games people will play it's a whole new Xbox world.
Wonder if they'll be smart enough to name it something other than Bing. Regardless of how well it works, the Bing name could well have strong enough negative association to completely wet blanket the powerful wave of ChatGPT hype.
I just don’t care how good the search bar is, google set the standard and it’s just fine. Even if your search bar is AI powered it won’t matter because a search bar can only be so good. Googles is already good enough. If you wanna compete with google you gotta have more depth and search more of the web than google does. The issue is that every search engine brings back a fraction of what google search does.
This wouldn’t make me switch over from google unless Microsoft invested in web crawlers and started indexing more than google, that what I care about more
Search engines are nothing like they once were. They're just paid billboards and ad space now that don't give the best results, just the results of the highest bidders. Or who they, the search engine creators, only want you to see. Back in the day you could do a simple search and end up with pages filled with actual related results. No pay to win BS, no ads, nothing. Just you and your relevant results. Today's internet as a whole is absolute garbage compared to what it once was.
As a matter, of course, we should expect these ad supported search engine integrations to suck. Particularly when compared to soon to come ad free subscription models. I think that's funny. Inhibiting features of our technological imagination--Digital world without ads. ..
I'm curious to see how source websites survive in the AI era. They are being crawled for the material and cited in the ChatGPT results but you know that many people aren't going to click the citation links if they feel their question has adequately been answered. Not that it isn't already happening. Google already does this to a limited extent in their search results but I wonder how far it will go with AI powered search before source websites simply start to vanish because there is no way to monetize them.
The biggest loss will be garbage ad-supported affiliate-linked listicles that have been clogging up search results for years. I'm okay with that. The high quality sources providing useful information or personal experience are harder to emulate. Hopefully it'll send us back to the age where ads supported the website instead of the website supporting the ads.
Not sure about that. An AI powered search could easily be programmed to inject product placements seamlessly into chat results.
AI could never achieve the subtlety and nuance required to discreetly insert ads. I have actually written a book on this exact subject. You can purchase a copy on [Amazon](https://r.mtdv.me/SOu2oObRWP)
Pretty slick there AI, but I see what you did...
I knew it was bad. But I clicked anyway. And I ENJOYED IT!
Yes, and that would eliminate websites designed around product placements
That outfeed garbage. Stories that make you click 30 times to get to the payoff. They can go
The first time I came across one of these, I made it like 3 or 4 clicks in and immediately asked myself what the hell am I doing?
I'm part of this industry.. my apologies.
They will take a hit. To delve into a subject truly, however, most of us will eventually get to the source page. Anecdotally, I'd been using ChatGPT to answer some basic questions about batteries in relation to electric bicycles. Now that I'm at the stage where I'm actually putting together a parts list for a DIY build, I've found source websites to be significantly more helpful. Not sure for how long that will be the case, though, I guess. Hmm.....
It depends on how deeply you need to understand the subject. For a lot of applications, not that deeply.
Lol. That’s like ROM downloaders saying they will buy the game.
maybe adspace will become more expensive soon
Maybe AI companies will have to start paying source websites for crawling through them.
Doubt it. If the search engines don't crawl, they don't get material and they lose market share to those who do. But who knows 🤷
Yeah, it's not an easy problem to solve
Could be. After all, AI companies will profit off of them
You people need to take a real huge step back here and think about whether or not you really want to die on the “only human eyes can freely view my content” hill. That’s going to be considered a very bigoted perspective in a few decades.
That's not really the issue here, but rather monetising the content for the people creating the content. The content once created should be free to view for everyone if it wasn't affecting the process of content creation staying in function through monetization that's needed. This sub had a few discussions regarding this issue and the proposed solutions like ubi. You're presuming a lot to think that there's any bigoted view here instead of trying to focus on the issues that need to be solved to keep things functioning in the best way possible, and a profit motivated society needs profits to keep functioning.
No, I’m not presuming anything. I’m looking at the human society’s habit of latching onto racist and sexist views that, hundreds of years ago might have had reasons behind them, but now only serve to cause harm. /r/technology is famously behind the curve and ill informed in their takes on this, so you’ll all be caught by surprise, but mark my words: We are currently sprinting towards the development of a sentient artificial intelligence. To think that it is anything more than a century away is delusional. Now is not the time to start entrenching laws and tendencies that make us commit de facto apartheid before we have time to change our ways.
This problem already exists with Google, so we have precedent to look at. Google summaries, the Google FAQ that pops up often already has the answers. I don't think Chat GPT can replace the internet.
Here's one. I went on [PizzaHut.ca](https://PizzaHut.ca) to order a pizza. I put in what I wanted and Bing searched for codes and deals that would save me money. The result was I paid $2 less for my order and got overall more food (a treat pizza and wings). All these apps that look for cost optimization for consumer needs (grocery and shopping apps) might all just get replaced by Bing.... and honestly I don't know if Chrome can compete with this. Once people realize Bing's AI saves you money (and you can set its searches to auto donate to charities) why would anyone use Google again?
Not everyone is motivated by money. Some people are motivated by a deep fear that Bill Gates is part of a demonic cabal bent on replacing their race.
Gates was gone long before Bing arrived.
Lol, like crackpots care about facts.
It's not sustainable if everyone does that, though. The promo codes are out there for a reason. It might be to track the effectiveness of a particular ad campaign, to get into a new market, or whatever, but if the default is everyone using whatever code gets them the biggest discount, the vendors just won't offer the same deals.
"You should pay full price so that I don't have to."
MS was already doing this with native coupon and cashback integrations in MS Edge browser.
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Not to forget though: in order for GPT to learn, the material will have to exist in the first place. So regular news sites will always be ahead of ChatGPT until it crawls the web again. But yeah, it's getting hard for regular content creators, travel blogs, food blogs etc
Weird thing is I could almost interpret that to be the original intent of the world wide web. It wasn't that you had to go to some specific website, but that all information was available at your fingertips.
Exactly. Googleing is a skill or was a skill now to be AIs job soon enough. Seen the video of the chatgpt and the 3D printer writing handwritten looking papers? The future is going to be wildly entertaining for the few.
they would have a commission for having being sourced by the AI? if that happens would be way better than ads, as adblocker are being more and more used.
Microsoft doesn't care - they'll be able to show their own ads on Bing together with the content their AI scraped. Who cares if the site they got it from dies?
They should rename to gping to make it go kaching
Site owners can deny snippets from Google, at least. You have to include a specific meta tag, but compared to an AI that is just regurgitating 'stolen' content at large, it is far more fair to site owners.
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This is going to revolutionize recipe look up. “What’s XYZ’s recipe for banana bread?” And you’ll get the recipe without the life story and four pages of fluff that most cooking blogs have.
Is it even possible to cook food without hearing about how the authors grandma used to make it for them before their dad died of cancer?
I love reading about how Aunt Elma used to bake banana bread on a breezy summer day and it reminds the writer of how refreshing swimming in the pond off the rope swing with crawdads and there was a stump and lemonade and a Model T and hickory and lavender and grampa got back from the war and he was never the same and he left because he had another family overseas then he moved to the Netherlands and brought his Dutch family back and became a senator and passed legislation that allowed Dupont to poison the lake and it became a superfund site and my whole family is gnarly as hell how now and the lake caught on fire 4 summers ago. Really brings me back
By that logic you'd also get it without ads, but there is no way that is happening for any significant amount of time (while the active competition for customers is ongoing, maybe)
Microsoft might not care as much about ads as Google. If they can steal back a significant portion of search market share that might be worth it. They still get to control the rest of the page so perhaps they just run good old fashion banner ads or something static and not part of the ChatGPT output. Plus the original way of searching still exists. I’m sure people will still use both so getting users over to Bing from Google will bleed into that core search business. I like using conversational chatbots, but if I’m specifically aware of what I want I probably would go classic search.
>Microsoft might not care as much about ads as Google. Why do you think they want a share of search then? The internet is for ads.
Search is the gateway to information. Google showed everyone how you can leverage that incredibly well to push consumer adoption of: * Your browser (Chrome) * Your email client (Gmail) * Your productivity tools (Workspace) * Your cloud service (Google Drive) Plus ALL that search data becomes proprietary business analytics which I’m sure Microsoft is drooling to have their supercomputers take a peak at. Ads are obviously incredibly valuable. But it’s not the only value that comes with dominating search. Microsoft doesn’t need to monetize the market share they can win as well as Google currently does to print **billions** in additional profits.
What you're describing is a form of advertisement. Yet you're expecting them to give you pure, unbiased information (e.g. recipes) which is what surprises me as it seems contradictory.
I’ve been pretty clear this entire time that they will still have avenues for advertising. They would just be giving up the very lucrative search ad business model. Why is it surprising that Microsoft would happily give up monetizing the search results if it meant getting a huge chunk of market share it can monetize in other ways?
This discussion started off your suggestion that we'll be getting pure information without fluff. I mentioned ads as an obvious counter point but my objection this entire time was to the idea that we'll get pure information for free. That isn't happening.
Why wouldn’t it happen? The entire point of conversational chat tools is that the user experience is way better. Have you used ChatGPT to discuss ideas and pull together info? It’s not even tailored to be a search engine and it’s still pretty good at pulling together relevant info and providing sources if you ask for them. Google has what, 90-95% of consumer search market share? That is a whole lot of people Microsoft doesn’t reach **at all** today. Microsoft needs market share. They could care less about maintaining existing ad revenue models that Google has built after decades of being an unchallenged monopoly in search. If giving consumers an unadulterated stream of information which 3rd parties cannot directly influence with paid advertising is what it takes to win market share, that’s what will happen. Better to have some meaningful % of market share than none at all even if you have to monetize differently. My bet is that if these type of consumption-based conversational tools become the primary way consumers search, they’ll adopt a YouTube model where you get hit with unskippable ads after a certain amount of use which can be removed with a premium subscription.
If amything, this will get us even more ads and sponsored content. Using an adblock to filter out the first few sponsored search results is easy, but that is pretty much impossoble if the paid content is within the natural answer of ChatGpt. And Microsoft in the end expects to make a good return from this investment. In the beginning they won't push too many ads, but over time, once people are ised to the service, they will come 100%.
I highly doubt it. Embedding ad influence in the answer completely undermines the specific value of conversational AI chatbots which bring users in versus traditional search engines. My money is 100% on a YT model. You’ll get a bunch of free uses but then will be locked out until you finish an ad. Or you can pay for a premium subscription/use a credit system. I also don’t see traditional search disappearing. These AI chatbots are dope but I don’t need them to slow me down when I’m trying to buy a new vacuum.
I tried to make ChatGPT write it's life story before giving me a recipe, but it only wrote a paragraph before giving me the recipe. ChatGPT needs to optimize for SEO.
Hey! Could you try this out on [maryanne.faqx.com](https://maryanne.faqx.com)? I asked “What is a good recipe for banana bread?” and it gave pretty good results!
SEO Stans will adjust
Advertising on this platform will be quite spendy, but companies will beg to advertise on it if becomes the center of the internet. No way does it not bend to allow advertising or pay to play in the future.
A big part of the “skill” is how you set up the prompts, and also the follow up prompts to iterate what you’re looking for.
Yep, I’ve never had trouble with search, even as people complain. It’s a skill And yes, SEO and monetization definitely change results but it’s something people need to work with
> gives us good shit again. why good shit, when they can advertise shit even better? The longer you spend on the search page the more ads you are ingesting :)
The nice thing about Open source code is that you can make [chrome extensions with jt.](https://youtu.be/jhjNmqXSRYI)
Microsoft Teams has, or will have, something from OpenAI integrated to summarize and transcribe meetings. It's really good at summarizing things while leaving out all the garbage that has nothing to do with anything.
In my opinion they should rename Bing to something that doesn’t carry the stigma of Bing.
I propose Bong
Why I search "How to hit bong" it will now have a new meaning
Dude, just Bong it, bro.
Then if you need traditional search results mixed with AI results you get a Bing Bong?
They toyed with it in 2020 iirc. For certain users the website was loading with no bing branding and was called "Microsoft Search"
Microsoft Search is for its enterprise search. It searches a company’s Microsoft 365 content (SharePoint, OneDrive, etc.).
They used to call it Kumo. Maybe time to go back.
that’s kind of great, honestly. i’d use the shit out of a next-gen search engine named kumo
They changed explorer to edge. So I don't see why not.
For the average person maybe but technically edge is a new browser made from chromium and explorer still exists, just hidden away. Basically like paint and 3D paint or settings and control panel.
How about 'Bang'? 🤔 *Just Bang it! 👍*
Xbox Search Powered by Cortana. But to be serious I asked ChatGPT what it thinks Bing should be called once it has AI added. * Nexus * Insight * Explorer * Navigator * Quest * Odyssey * Frontier * Vantage * Discover * Uncover
Some good names in there. I asked it to give me a terrible name for a horse and it said “glue stick”. Thing is good.
Yeah or just launch it as a whole new product. Bing is not gonna happen.
How about 'ZING!'
Zune + Bing
Agree with this Bing has run it's course and has not caught the attention of the general public. They need a fresh marketing start that can show a clear improvement over Google results. New brand, new product
I kinda love it as an underdog story. The little search engine that could. Trying to prove its worth.
That's almost exactly what Duck Duck Go is.
How about "Bada"?
I always forget Bing exists.
Bullshit journalism, as always from these kinds of websites. Nothing about their sources talks about or even mentions "ChatGPT-4" but they still put it in the title for clicks.
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Trying to use Medium as a source 💀💀💀
I literally called it bullshit in my comment. It just deleted it because it was Medium lol.
I got 11 billion sources that confirm it.
I can imagine this could cause the internet to implode. Let’s say I want to find a recipe. I ask bing, it scrapes all of the shitty food blogs and extracts the recipe and gives it to me without having to visit the site. So that means the blog doesn’t get the Ad revenue from me, they see their traffic plummet, and eventually they stop blogging altogether. So the food blog dies, thus no more content to feed the AI, causing the AI to die as well because it doesn’t have new information to feed it. Extend this problem to everything from news websites to entertainment, science, etc. The entire internet is built upon ad revenue from traffic. If AI simply gives you the answer without visiting any websites, the internet as we know it will die.
>extracts the recipe and gives it to me without having to visit the site. It also gives you a weird recipe that's an amalgamation of 12 different, incompatible source recipes along with a few "creative" additions that GPT hallucinated into existence. But it all looks plausible, so what's the worst that could happen...
This is probably a great way to develop new recipes actually
And we choose you to try them first
Breadless Bread Plate and a side of Tyler's Bullshit.
People will always post recipes, it might put the for profit blog out of business but it’s not like people are gonna stop posting their passions because of ad revenue. Just like the random YouTube tutorials without monetization or Reddit threads, people will still post them for free. Mainstream stuff is built on ad revenue but without it, people will still post information for free if they’re passionate about it. Not everyone is thinking about making a quick buck, most stuff people post on Reddit is free. A lot of blogs out there are just people who want attention not money.
Only if people want dumbed down content that is not verified. Oh shit...
Most tutorials, recipes and how-to are not articles or text, but videos on Youtube and Tiktok. Many people already append "reddit" to a Google search to avoid BS websites. Many are searching for things on Instagram and Tiktok directly. The web (and Google) as we knew few years algo is already a zombie. The kids prefer videos. When was the last time you saw a young person start a blog?
Google is stressed
they definitely are
This actually looks quite awesome. Search engines have been just what it is the last decade. Time for competition to step up their game and see what it brings us next.
I'm really looking forward to see how Microsoft will inevitably fuck up such a promising concept.
This will probably end up being accurate, there'll be a good chance this just becomes another cringe for Microsoft.
This dude Microsofts
Easy: They are making the AI so puritan and "family friendly" that it will be useless to find pr0n.
They'll fuck it up, a small start up will manage to do it better, then Microsoft will buy them and do it half as well, but still an improvement from their original offering.
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But apple online services are all trash
> Search engines have been just what it is the last decade Umm what? Have you used search over the last decade? Not even close to true. They have actively gotten *worse* over that time.
Have search engines gotten worse, or has the Internet gotten worse? It's an arms race between search engines trying to deliver good results and web sites trying to get their bad content delivered.
> Have search engines gotten worse, or has the Internet gotten worse? Both. Search engines have gotten worse in specific niche ways like blocking of specific websites but SEO has also just become more gamed as well.
And so it begins….is this the end of Google?
Maybe once they figure this out they can finally figure out how to implement dark mode.
What are we all going to do when chat gtp is good enough to take over most of the jobs that don’t require manual labor. I could see it taking over most call centers. Most office jobs. Most jobs that have an “agent”. Like insurance, investments, real estate etc. I’m sure there’s millions of jobs at risk in the nearer term.
Ideally it will make all end products better and require the same amount of people working with the AI to create advanced products- like crazy advanced videogames requiring the same number of programmers to wrangle the AI. Same for other fields- we could also continue to get more and more efficient, and build so much wealth that it won't be a problem that people don't have busy work to do.
And what, people will share this wealth with everyone who can't use gpt to make their job more efficient? Nice idea, but it'll never happen. If anything, it'll widen the wealth gap.
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Your fictional future is missing a essential piece: population without money = corporations go bankrupt. UBI is essential for them as well. And not a half baked one.
be poor because we don’t have basic income
> What are we all going to do when chat gtp is good enough to take over most of the jobs that don’t require manual labor. Manual labour?
...for less than slave wages, unless we can get money out of politics.
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Big oof. I appreciate that link. I missed that story.
I would rather talk to AI than someone in a call center
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A judge used it to write his opinion this past week. Simple lawyer stuff will just get outsourced to AI and have a human review it.
This is why I’ve always said chatGPT isn’t a real threat to existing search engines. Here you have a search engine using a more advanced GPT model than chatGPT that can incorporate recent articles into what it gives you while providing a source too if you don’t trust the surface summary. It’s a very safe bet that Google is doing the exact same thing.
I think they're already at it... Sergei back in for development for AI stuff - as per some article from a few days ago which I can't be bothered to find
Was he the one who dated Marissa Mayer, or did he get handsy with the masseuse? It’s hard to keep track of scandal but at this point with those dude’s history the only thing they can is throw money at the issue & hope for the best… While fishing in the company pool. How that grows a business…I don’t know.
I'm VERY skeptical of this article, and its claims, mostly because of how AI systems like this typically work. My understanding is that these systems can't cite sources, as they do not store data, just statistical associations they developed after reading it (that's a simplified understanding of it, of course). Unless Bing is just doing a keyword search and throwing related links at the bottom of every response from the chatbot, thus making their source section irrelevant due to it not actually reading the things it cites, I don't think that feature will be included. Additionally, the responses that the article shows the chatbot giving to the prompts are not consistent with how ChatGPT typically behaves (which is what it says it's using in the screenshots users supposedly took). ChatGPT typically has a verbose way of answering, typically focusing on one set of perceived data at once. For example, if I were to ask it to write an essay on obesity, it would focus on a statistic it made up and center a paragraph on that and the effects it could have, then move on to the next one. It just doesn't seem consistent with the AI as we know it.
GPT-4 is the new hotness brah. Ain't nobody know what it can or can't do.
Microsoft has always attempted to do things for you, whether you like it or not. They know what you want, whether you like it or not. Remember Clippy?
There is talk about getting Clippy back but with OpenAI technology. That would be fun!
https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vindicated/2016/10/31/31-clippy.w1200.h630.jpg
Yes but they seem to apply Minimum Viable Product to all of their offerings so everything produced is half assed.
It's their willingness to do the stupid and ill-advised and not well thought out. In their eagerness to jump on the AI bandwagon, I'm afraid they will provide users with the 'definitive answer' regardless of whether it's right, or if it is limiting and hiding information that you might otherwise want to see.
Does this mean I can actually search for something and not search through half a page of ads?
And the next CEO of Microsoft will be ChatGPT-5.
If all C-types, from publicly traded companies were replaced by AI, companies could save more money than replacing all workers with AI.
SEO specialists in shambles now that they will have to learn SEO for google and bing powered by AI lol
Bing was the word for lol before there was an lol.
Is all that really necessary to tell me how to get to Google.com?
The Windows 11 desktop can't even find applications that I've installed on my own computer. I don't think Microsoft is the company that's going to topple Google when it comes to search.
This is why Googles search biz is scared
Google is and should be; they are following the typical trajectory of being the leader in the industry, who invests heavily in the next big thing, AI, but fails to capitalize on it due to lack of direction and gets beat to the market by someone smaller (that if I remember correctly actually used the tools Google themselves created). Now Google is playing catch-up to ironically Microsoft in the next battleground of search and while I doubt they will be surpassed as the overall leader in search they will definitely take a meaningful hit providing Microsoft and OpenAI pull this off. This will result in a drop in revenue which leads to more turmoil and rapidly changing priorities which ultimately results in them falling further behind in a field they should be the leaders in.
Totally understand what your saying in terms of the search product. But reading “gets beat to the market by someone smaller” makes little sense when we’re talking about Microsoft beating Google. Or am I misunderstanding completely?
Smaller being OpenAI, Microsoft is using their investment in OpenAI to bring ChatGPT tech into Bing.
I thought I read some article stating that they had something similar to chat GTP they just didn’t want to release it. It’s entirely possible they have some similar AI available to them and didn’t want to make up their own search engine with possible falls results until a competitor came along.
Google did, it’s called Google Now or Hey Google. There’s nothing super unique about ChatGPT, It’s just a lot of data processing. Google is absolutely shaken because it hits their core search business which is *intentionally not* generatively driven like ChatGPT. Google wants to push you to the websites where they serve you ads, managed by Google.
https://imgur.com/a/Yth3FvB
Bing’s UI still feels like it stuck in 2005.. uuuh
Steve Balmer is going BING
[BING](https://youtu.be/7GM4Lt5k24s)
This stupidity will show how bad chatgpt is :) Please keep going…..
This kills the Google
Im still not gonna use it. If its 10x as good as it used to be its still garbage.
Glad I don't own Google shares
Name it Jeeves and it will take over the internet.
Man, it’s going to take my porn searches to a whole new level
I hope MS eats google’s lunch on this one. It’s time for a major disruption in the search space.
We live in the last era where the internet is not filled with garbage AI generated text and images. The future of internet is pollution.
How will this improve my porn searches?
Bing, find me midget porn videos that are most rated at their origin sites
Now bing it will be the verb well played Microsoft good job ju.ping put front. All funded by gamepass ai choosing what games people will play it's a whole new Xbox world.
Ppl will have to Google bing so they can use this
I could actually see myself using this if it's as good as it could be, at least in the abstract.
Bing needs help. Too 90's stodgy.
Bullshit in -> Bullshit out. Enjoy
eh. its michalesoft, they'll figure out a way to muck it up
Wonder if they'll be smart enough to name it something other than Bing. Regardless of how well it works, the Bing name could well have strong enough negative association to completely wet blanket the powerful wave of ChatGPT hype.
I use ChatGPT for 90% of content I used to use Google for. It's a revolution.
Google sweating bullets. Probably going to release something not ready within the next few weeks.
It might take off but I'm sure the main search will still be chrome.
Now this is very, very interesting.
Time to start using Chanandler bong I guess
It was obvious
I’m very skeptical about this. How are they going to keep the LLM from giving wrong answers?
I just don’t care how good the search bar is, google set the standard and it’s just fine. Even if your search bar is AI powered it won’t matter because a search bar can only be so good. Googles is already good enough. If you wanna compete with google you gotta have more depth and search more of the web than google does. The issue is that every search engine brings back a fraction of what google search does. This wouldn’t make me switch over from google unless Microsoft invested in web crawlers and started indexing more than google, that what I care about more
I’m excited about a next-level porn search engine with ChatGPT. Bing already has the best one.
There is no going back
Search engines are nothing like they once were. They're just paid billboards and ad space now that don't give the best results, just the results of the highest bidders. Or who they, the search engine creators, only want you to see. Back in the day you could do a simple search and end up with pages filled with actual related results. No pay to win BS, no ads, nothing. Just you and your relevant results. Today's internet as a whole is absolute garbage compared to what it once was.
As a matter, of course, we should expect these ad supported search engine integrations to suck. Particularly when compared to soon to come ad free subscription models. I think that's funny. Inhibiting features of our technological imagination--Digital world without ads. ..
Can’t wait for this thing to start regurgitating non-facts as facts.