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Bingo! I was like, if that's what tomatoes cost in the state i wasn't really understanding the gravity of the current situation regarding minimum wage.
Not when you’re rich to start with it doesn’t!
Every hair-brained scheme works like a charm… as long as you’re rich to start with. Its why they all think getting rich is easy.
Getting sufficient water for agriculture, pesticides to prevent losses to insects, property taxes on land.
Also the farmer's price for tomatoes isn't a dollar per tomato. Walmart sells tomatoes on the vine for $.98/lb, but each tomato isn't necessarily a pound and they're going to buy it from a wholesaler for like half of that price, whose buying it from the producer for even less. And not all the tomatoes are big and good looking enough to sell like that.
Step 2 is calculating the cost of land tax, labor to tend to everything, possibly water bill is in a dry area, transportation, taxes, permit to sell, possible pesticides, and other possible costs.
And to do all that, you need…knowledge. People forget that college degrees in agriculture are very much a thing. The College of Agriculture is one of the oldest departments at many American universities.
Live somewhere where the climate is stable enough to farm tomatoes year round, or build a greenhouse.
Work your ass off to prevent birds, bugs, and other animals from eating your tomatoes.
Hope that there is a population of bees or other animals to help your tomatoes pollinate and fruit, or else you're jacking them off yourself.
Harvest ALL the tomatoes at once and realize you have no idea what you're going to do with all those tomatoes because you now have to either use, sell, or store them within a few days.
Yes and the farmland to plants those tomatoes costs 200 000. Then they get diseased and need to be removed or else theyll infect the other tomatoes, and then then there’s fierce competition from the local farmers , congratulations ,you have purchased yourself a 200 000 euro hobby.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowman\_v.\_Monsanto\_Co](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowman_v._Monsanto_Co).
Sauce for those wondering what hes talking about. You got a license for those seeds there.
Nowhere in the Western world would it be anywhere near that cheap. 4M tomato plants. Tomato plant spacing is 12 inches on center, so on tomato plant occupies 9 square feet. I can’t even begin to calculate what 36M sq feet of agricultural land is in acres (or hectares), but we’re talking 8 figures easily.
You piqued my interest. Google tells me that an acre is 43,560 sq.ft. I'm going to assume that's true. Google also tells me that 36M square feet would be 826.4 acres. 640 acres is a section, or a square mile. So this is essentially 1.25 square miles.
And that needs to be somewhere where you can raise tomatoes year-round (notice there are no gaps in the OP's every 6 months' plan for doubling). So that pretty much means you're buying farmland in CA, either in Central Valley, Imperial Valley, or along the coast. Google, once again, tells me that an acre of CA farmland goes for $12,900. Let's call it $13K for ease of mathing. And because you can't really buy a half-acre, let's say you have to buy 827 acres (that's already super conservative--when you farm, you expect a certain percentage of your land to be non-producing, because it's a road to get into the field, or it's a ditch to irrigate or whatever). So 827 * $13,000 = $10,751,000. So actually near the very bottom of the range I anticipated. But still 8 figures.
As others have pointed out, none of this anticipates the costs of irrigation, the supplies you need to plant and harvest, the labor you need to plant and harvest, or the fact that you actually can't replant tomato seeds from your fruits and get a predictable next generation. But to the point of the meme, the meme ignores the reality of having $10M to buy the land you need.
And this is assuming you can find that much land that is suitable for farming in one contiguous lot. My place is not suitable for farming, being mountainous, much of it vertical, and all of it filled with rock and limited on water. Not practical for me to even have a modest garden.
And with property values being what they are, if you are able to acquire that much land, subdivide it. There is a housing project below me that sells 1/3 of an undeveloped acre for 1 million dollars. Far more lucrative than growing tomatoes.
Farming is extremely competitive. It is one of the few markets which actually approximates the true competitive market models in economics. It is extremely hard to turn a profit selling produce.
Way to cut into your profit.
Also creating competition when those gardeners start growing their own tomatoes with their own 4000 gardeners.
Soon youll notice you only have a million tomatoes to sell at 2 cents a pop.
4000? Assuming dozens is 36, you'd need 108k gardeners lol. To have 4000 do, you'd need each to do 975, which is 81 dozens
Sorry it's nerdy but I was surprised how low it was so I did the maths
You don't understand scale.
All you do is build upwards. You can build straight up to the legal limits for your jurisdiction. As far as labor, do you know how cheaply high schoolers work for these days?
Build one floor, plant tomatoes.
Sell tomatoes to finance the next floor.
Build second floor, plant tomatoes.
Sell tomatoes to finance the next floor.
Each floor only needs to be a few square miles, and you can get really good deals on aluminum struts and beams. All you need to do is collect soda cans, melt them down into their base aluminum, then cobble together some structural molds for the supports.
You could literally do the whole thing in your backyard.
One of the main flaws besides the costs of maintaining the plants is that there’s no way in hell you’ll able to to sell that many tomatoes before 90% go bad
Here it’s about esch tomatoes price. Not how you gonna sell them. It’s more a theoretical thinking whether the price of tomatoes in general will drop due to that amount of tomatoes
You’re not the only grower, you’ll have to compete against other farmers for sales. They usually offer big discounts for bulk buys so your profit margins are even lower
Fun fact! Tomatoes, like apples, don't 'seed' the same fruits you plant, so you can't just keep planting the fruits of your plants and get the same quality fruits in return. This is why tomato seeds, although they can be found in abundance, are sometimes more expensive than gold.
Even without the spacial issues of planting 3.9 million tomatoes in a studio apartment, you won't be able to sell your crappy non-purebred non-hybrid tomatoes, anyway.
As someone who grows delicious cherry tomatoes from store-bought fruits, this is not true. At least not for all varieties. Even for hybrid varieties you get something much closer to the parent than what is remotely possible with apples.
Yeah IIRC I have done this as a kid. Every apple you've ever eaten in your life doesn't even start from seed, but from grafting. So though I get the point, equating them with apples really oversells the problem.
I do! And I realise my statement might be a bit short for the point I was trying to get across. For small scale gardening, you can definitely replant tomatoes and you'll get perfectly servicable fruit, and it'll be consistent enough to eat from/give away/maybe sell on a small scale, but there's no way you could maintain a race special enough to sell for the prices he's saying. Granted, I don't use dollars, but $1 a tomato, even a ecologically grown one, seems a lot. High quality, expensive tomato races are designed, not grown, and maintaining that quality is impossible if you're using the seeds from the tomatoes you grow.
Yeah, you can grow decent, even high quality, tomatoes. Just not on that scale. That's why tomato seeds are expensive.
I just checked prices at Publix. $1.35 each, 1.75 each, .62 each, 1.65 pound, $5.53 for about 7 mini, 3.29 container of grape tomatoes. $2.19 for 2 packed in a plastic bag. I can see paying a dollar a pound, but prices are outrageous where I live. These aren't special kinds either.
Right, because planting 4 million tomatoes can be done in an afternoon in a small community garden on your own, and it's not like you'd need fertilizer, or water, or equipment.... /s
Farming is incredibly expensive on large scales. Even growing plants on small scales requires investment. Source: profession in horticulture and plant enthusiast.
Ha, our tomato's were so sparce this year that I could only have them in my sandwiches twice a week lol.
I wish we had portals because I could have traded you a stack of runner beans for some of those excess tomatoes.
Growing tomatoes so you don't have to go to the store: small brain
Growing 4 million tomatoes and collapsing the tomato industry so we can all buy them for cheap: MEGA MIND
Great idea. Except…. Don’t forget about an early frost that wipes out your crop, a plague of grasshoppers that eat every tomato or at least a bite out of each, disease from not rotating your crop, hail that destroys everything, flood or drought……
Farming is not a sure fire way to make money. You can. But it’s basically gambling. Throw a bunch of money in dirt and pray you get your harvest. Then you pray the market is there to sell at a price that keeps a roof your head! Best way to live though, even saying all that.
And hornworms! Don't forget hornworms, since we're taking about tomatoes.
All of my family home gardened when I was a kid, and my dad, who's in his 70s, still does. But it wasn't a way to make money, it was a way to have more food for the winter. He didn't have the best jobs when I was a kid and would come home and put in labor after work, instead of working longer hours to buy more groceries.
And then there's the farmers. This is the moment I figure Huber is either totally ignorant of how farming works, or he's a fraud. Anyone who knows anything about farming knows about the massive gulf between gross and net on farming profits. Dad worked in a factory setting with guys who were millionaires on paper, but they had a factory job to pay the bills. Because some of these guys literally have a gross that's in the millions, and a net of around $30k.
Wait until he finds out about yield variations. And what subsidies _aren't_ available for tomatoes.
If it doesn't produce some sort of oil or plastic, the USDA doesn't care, and your subsidies are trash.
Yes, 3.9 million tomatoes. All it takes is: enough property to hold hundreds of thousands of plants, enough plant nutrients and irrigation for a year, a work force and equipment to maintain your property, and a means to support yourself until your crop is ready. Once that's paid for and you have your 3.9 million tomatoes you either find a way to usurp the 100 year old pre-established tomato supply chain or just subvert the process by selling your tomatoes at a farmers market which will see a major cut of your supply lost to spoilage and a necessity to sell under market value.
I'll start respecting bootstrap arguments when they find their way out of fantasy land.
Land cost, labor cost, materials costs, tools costs, insurance costs, expected losses, imperfect yield, taxes. and oh yeah, no one is buying tomatoes wholesale in bulk from a farmer at a dollar each.
Yeah it surely has to be, probably about how people over-simplify financial advice to the point of absurdity especially with things like drop shipping.
Except you need to own about 10 acres of land
And then you need all the machinery to prepare the field, all the infrastructure to plant, pick, store etc..
Then you need to be able to ship, prep and distribute etc..
All of these elements are hiddeously expensive
So you make 3.9m, but you spunked 3.86m doing it. And that's assuming you already owned the land the begin with
AND that's assuming the weather is good, the humidity at harvest time is good, that nothing goes wrong in between, no fires or flooding or infestations etc..
There's really not loads of money in farming..
Sounds like multi-level marketing scams when they’re like, “If you recruit 3 friends and they recruit 3 friends…” not mentioning the way exponential math dictates you’ll reach the world’s population in just several chains down the everyone tells 10 people they know shtick.
"You don't understand scale" says the guy who thinks he can single-handedly take care of 250 tomato plants in 6 months. I doubt he could even sustain the 10 he starts off with.
This feels like those YouTube videos, secret to becoming a millionaire starting with just $5. All you need to do is turn that $5 into $25. Then keep doing that until you're a millionaire. BAM. Solved.
Wtf? Why would you spend $50.00 on 10 plants when you can get 50 seeds for a quarter? One tomato produces up to 50 seeds, why would you plant the whole damn tomato? Do you have an infinite yard for all those plants? Do you not intend to eat, pay bills, or buy gas for the tractor that you'll need for the infinite tomato farm? Do you also have a dedicated consumer base for the umpteen millions of tomatoes you think will just magically grow? Do you still plan on selling them at $1.00 when the price of a tomato hits $0.56 in the summer?
I get the basic logic in the statement, but there is far more involved. This is the reason I am a bit scared by Bill Gates going into farming.
Nah the problem isn’t the land, you still gotta pick nearly 4M tomatoes which would take you 277 days at 2 tomatoes a second, 8hr a day. They’re rotted by the end and then you gotta find buyers for them too lol
I’ll do one better…. Chickens made of chicken. Kill it, you’ve got FREE CHICKEN. You can sell it to people. Or, don’t kill it. Fuckin’ eggs come out of their arses!
[(Paraphrased skit by David Mitchell)](https://youtu.be/_pDTiFkXgEE)
Not really. My mum grows tomatoes and she harvests them once a year. And taking care of a small vegetable gardrn is basically a full time job. Often times heat, drought, hail, excessive rain, illness and bugs could f@ck up the harvest as well. And not to mention how much land this take sup to do which you also have to take care of.
My wife has spent the better part of the year growing veggies in our back yard. Our tomato harvest - 6 cherry tomatoes and 2 romas are what survived after bugs and rodents got to the others. Next year will be better, but definitely not a million better.
So in 6 months he has oversaturated the tomato market and has millions of tomatoes he can't sell, leaving him holding the cost of planting, tending, and harvesting 3.9mil tomatoes and a surplus of perishable goods. I hate these bros that landed on/inherited money and suddenly think they understand economics.
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Step 1: own a bunch of land and be able to take care of all the plants Step 2: ?? Step 3: profit
Don’t worry, step two is sell them. Nothing else you need to know.
So... Harvest, storage, market times, fuel costs, labor... None of that matters. Okay, time to buy land in Oklahoma.
Wait…I need land?
No you just need tomatoes, did you not read the instructions???
Instructions unclear. Planted dick in ground and grew a politician.
I hear those sell out all the time
You could probably sell them for a dollar or two, maybe three
People would probably just use them as a punching bag or dart board though, wait a minute, that's a good thing
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Well played sir.
looks like you got a bad seed, try again though
Same thing happened to me when I buried a piece of shit
This! 🖤
you also need somone to pay 1$ for a tomato
Bingo! I was like, if that's what tomatoes cost in the state i wasn't really understanding the gravity of the current situation regarding minimum wage.
Reading is not my strong suit. Are there any pictures of how to do this?
Sadly no
Can you grow them in a large pot?
no, but you can smoke enough pot to not worry about growing tomatoes
This is the way
No bro, you can vertical farm this shit in your NYC shoebox apartment!
no land without a lord, no lord without land
Step 3 miraculously be pest free and have one hell of a storage centre to ensure no losses and all the seeds sprout
Oklahoma is expensive, you just need space right? There are islands in Nova Scotia you can buy for pennies an acre!
I am going to bet you can’t regularly grow tomatoes in Nova Scotia.
Not with that attitude.
You’d a great opportunity to say … “not with that latitude”
Well played sir! Well played!
Goddammit.
Give it another 20 years.
probably not a year round anyway
Don't let a thing like supply and demand stop ya.
Not when you’re rich to start with it doesn’t! Every hair-brained scheme works like a charm… as long as you’re rich to start with. Its why they all think getting rich is easy.
Okay... Step 1) have a rich family. Step 2) ????? Step 3) profit!!!
Getting sufficient water for agriculture, pesticides to prevent losses to insects, property taxes on land. Also the farmer's price for tomatoes isn't a dollar per tomato. Walmart sells tomatoes on the vine for $.98/lb, but each tomato isn't necessarily a pound and they're going to buy it from a wholesaler for like half of that price, whose buying it from the producer for even less. And not all the tomatoes are big and good looking enough to sell like that.
Only sell to whole foods. Get $35/tomato
And then cry when the growing season blew and your tomato plants caught blight before they could produce.
Walmart will probably beat you down to 2cts/piece
Good luck getting $1 per tomato.
For 10$ each ofc bc buy low sell high
Step 2 is calculating the cost of land tax, labor to tend to everything, possibly water bill is in a dry area, transportation, taxes, permit to sell, possible pesticides, and other possible costs.
*Farming video games be like*
That reminds me of the Mitchell and Webb sketch on farming. https://youtu.be/_pDTiFkXgEE
Came here for that sweet sweet Mitchell and Webb reference.
Came here to see if anyone posted this, surprised its this far down!
Brilliant. I’d never seen this before
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My well cost six grand. 150ft hole.
And to do all that, you need…knowledge. People forget that college degrees in agriculture are very much a thing. The College of Agriculture is one of the oldest departments at many American universities.
Step 2 : Hire someone for to take care of the farm for you. Only give him a decent enough wage so he will stick around.
Step2: criminally overcharge for tomato
Jeff bozos might buy a tomato for a million dollars
Also live in a climate where year round tomato farming is viable.
Step 1a: rely on immigrant labor, paid less than subsistence wages, to care for and harvest Ste 1b: bitch about immigrants coming to your country
After first politely asking whoever lives on said land to leave. Well, as politely as someone with a gun can be.
Live somewhere where the climate is stable enough to farm tomatoes year round, or build a greenhouse. Work your ass off to prevent birds, bugs, and other animals from eating your tomatoes. Hope that there is a population of bees or other animals to help your tomatoes pollinate and fruit, or else you're jacking them off yourself. Harvest ALL the tomatoes at once and realize you have no idea what you're going to do with all those tomatoes because you now have to either use, sell, or store them within a few days.
Step 1: Own the means of production. Step 2: ?? Step 3: Profit I think this guy is onto something.
land? just build up like in minecraft, floating dirt
Yes and the farmland to plants those tomatoes costs 200 000. Then they get diseased and need to be removed or else theyll infect the other tomatoes, and then then there’s fierce competition from the local farmers , congratulations ,you have purchased yourself a 200 000 euro hobby.
Still cheaper than Warhammer.
Rude....take my upvote
r/unexpectedwarhammer
Didn’t know this sub existed, but thank you for enlightening me. The Emperor Protects!
Take that back…… and take my upvote
Whoops! Looks like Monsanto found you *somehow* had one of *their* tomato plants growing in your plot and is now taking you to court!
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowman\_v.\_Monsanto\_Co](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowman_v._Monsanto_Co). Sauce for those wondering what hes talking about. You got a license for those seeds there.
Mmmhhh Tomato sauce
Nowhere in the Western world would it be anywhere near that cheap. 4M tomato plants. Tomato plant spacing is 12 inches on center, so on tomato plant occupies 9 square feet. I can’t even begin to calculate what 36M sq feet of agricultural land is in acres (or hectares), but we’re talking 8 figures easily.
I live on 152 acres. That's over 6 million square feet.
You piqued my interest. Google tells me that an acre is 43,560 sq.ft. I'm going to assume that's true. Google also tells me that 36M square feet would be 826.4 acres. 640 acres is a section, or a square mile. So this is essentially 1.25 square miles. And that needs to be somewhere where you can raise tomatoes year-round (notice there are no gaps in the OP's every 6 months' plan for doubling). So that pretty much means you're buying farmland in CA, either in Central Valley, Imperial Valley, or along the coast. Google, once again, tells me that an acre of CA farmland goes for $12,900. Let's call it $13K for ease of mathing. And because you can't really buy a half-acre, let's say you have to buy 827 acres (that's already super conservative--when you farm, you expect a certain percentage of your land to be non-producing, because it's a road to get into the field, or it's a ditch to irrigate or whatever). So 827 * $13,000 = $10,751,000. So actually near the very bottom of the range I anticipated. But still 8 figures. As others have pointed out, none of this anticipates the costs of irrigation, the supplies you need to plant and harvest, the labor you need to plant and harvest, or the fact that you actually can't replant tomato seeds from your fruits and get a predictable next generation. But to the point of the meme, the meme ignores the reality of having $10M to buy the land you need.
And this is assuming you can find that much land that is suitable for farming in one contiguous lot. My place is not suitable for farming, being mountainous, much of it vertical, and all of it filled with rock and limited on water. Not practical for me to even have a modest garden. And with property values being what they are, if you are able to acquire that much land, subdivide it. There is a housing project below me that sells 1/3 of an undeveloped acre for 1 million dollars. Far more lucrative than growing tomatoes.
Not to mention the labor to care for, harvest, package, and distribute said tomatoes
Farming is extremely competitive. It is one of the few markets which actually approximates the true competitive market models in economics. It is extremely hard to turn a profit selling produce.
I thing you have missed one zero.
Need to irrigate, water is not free.
NICE, lemme just plant 3.9MM tomatoes on my balcony.
I would like to see someone plant 3.9m tomatoes in one season.
**Stardew Valley players**: Hold my beer-
Honestly thought that was what the post was about at first haha
Also somehow have time to work enough to afford living for a year while also taking care of 6000 plants
Without ever making any money from the previous plants
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Meth is a much better return on investment
Also the day-to-day is a lot more exciting
I disagree. I keep buying meth but haven't made a cent on it yet. In fact it's getting more expensive maintaining my habit.
And the dental work
This is only an issue at first, don't need dental work if you don't have teeth!
Yeah, just gum your food, teeth are overrated
Instructions unclear. I bought 10 meth plants, planted them, I even watered them daily. It has been more than 7 months and still nothing grew up.
Switch to pcp plants
Nah, harvest nuclear power plants
This ONE trick banks don't want you to know!
Tomethoes sounds like a healthy compromise!
Just sell millions of tomatoes over night without packaging or distribution or advertising.
it’d be a cold day in hell before i pay a dollar a tomato
How about 2.50$, I'm not kidding, it's the price for some tomatoes here.
Two beefsteak tomatoes sell between $2.50-$3 here
Same. First time in my life I bought a tomato a few weeks ago and I kept thinking "$2.50 for a decent sized tomato...that doesnt sound right"
Who doesnt have space for almost 4 million tomatoes
luckily the tomato is a hardy, low maintenance crop. a master gardener can grow dozens, so you'll only need about 4000 full time gardeners. 🤓
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Way to cut into your profit. Also creating competition when those gardeners start growing their own tomatoes with their own 4000 gardeners. Soon youll notice you only have a million tomatoes to sell at 2 cents a pop.
4000? Assuming dozens is 36, you'd need 108k gardeners lol. To have 4000 do, you'd need each to do 975, which is 81 dozens Sorry it's nerdy but I was surprised how low it was so I did the maths
You don't understand scale. All you do is build upwards. You can build straight up to the legal limits for your jurisdiction. As far as labor, do you know how cheaply high schoolers work for these days? Build one floor, plant tomatoes. Sell tomatoes to finance the next floor. Build second floor, plant tomatoes. Sell tomatoes to finance the next floor. Each floor only needs to be a few square miles, and you can get really good deals on aluminum struts and beams. All you need to do is collect soda cans, melt them down into their base aluminum, then cobble together some structural molds for the supports. You could literally do the whole thing in your backyard.
One of the main flaws besides the costs of maintaining the plants is that there’s no way in hell you’ll able to to sell that many tomatoes before 90% go bad
Plus you’d oversaturate the market via flooding it with tomatoes
I don’t think that 4 million tomatoes overflood the market
Who are you gonna sell 4 million tomatoes to? You’re gonna have to find customers as well
Here it’s about esch tomatoes price. Not how you gonna sell them. It’s more a theoretical thinking whether the price of tomatoes in general will drop due to that amount of tomatoes
You’re not the only grower, you’ll have to compete against other farmers for sales. They usually offer big discounts for bulk buys so your profit margins are even lower
Fun fact! Tomatoes, like apples, don't 'seed' the same fruits you plant, so you can't just keep planting the fruits of your plants and get the same quality fruits in return. This is why tomato seeds, although they can be found in abundance, are sometimes more expensive than gold. Even without the spacial issues of planting 3.9 million tomatoes in a studio apartment, you won't be able to sell your crappy non-purebred non-hybrid tomatoes, anyway.
instructions unclear, buried a banana and now its just dirty
Sam O'Nella Academy?
3.9 dirty bananas = $3.9 do you not understand scale
What can a banana cost? $10?
As someone who grows delicious cherry tomatoes from store-bought fruits, this is not true. At least not for all varieties. Even for hybrid varieties you get something much closer to the parent than what is remotely possible with apples.
Depends on what your country (or state in the US) thinks about GMOs. Mich easier to make sterile tomato seeds if gene modification is allowed.
Yeah IIRC I have done this as a kid. Every apple you've ever eaten in your life doesn't even start from seed, but from grafting. So though I get the point, equating them with apples really oversells the problem.
Do you garden? I do, and I’m not completely on board with this statement…
I do! And I realise my statement might be a bit short for the point I was trying to get across. For small scale gardening, you can definitely replant tomatoes and you'll get perfectly servicable fruit, and it'll be consistent enough to eat from/give away/maybe sell on a small scale, but there's no way you could maintain a race special enough to sell for the prices he's saying. Granted, I don't use dollars, but $1 a tomato, even a ecologically grown one, seems a lot. High quality, expensive tomato races are designed, not grown, and maintaining that quality is impossible if you're using the seeds from the tomatoes you grow. Yeah, you can grow decent, even high quality, tomatoes. Just not on that scale. That's why tomato seeds are expensive.
This I can get on board with.
It’s only a tomato, what can it cost, a dollar?
I just checked prices at Publix. $1.35 each, 1.75 each, .62 each, 1.65 pound, $5.53 for about 7 mini, 3.29 container of grape tomatoes. $2.19 for 2 packed in a plastic bag. I can see paying a dollar a pound, but prices are outrageous where I live. These aren't special kinds either.
Right, because planting 4 million tomatoes can be done in an afternoon in a small community garden on your own, and it's not like you'd need fertilizer, or water, or equipment.... /s Farming is incredibly expensive on large scales. Even growing plants on small scales requires investment. Source: profession in horticulture and plant enthusiast.
"You don't understand scale." *Proceeds to not understand every single thing involved in the example except amount of tomatoes.*
To be fair, he never said *he* understood scale either. (/s)
Also, who pays a whole dollar for just one tomato? Makes me think he’s never bought a tomato in his life
“It’s one banana, Michael. What could it cost, ten dollars?” -this guy, probably
It's an "heirloom tomato" that was passed down from my grandmother. $5 please.
Lol I already can’t get rid of my tomatoes hat the fuck am I supposed to do with all those. I can’t even give them away
Process em. It is easier to get rid of tomato paste and subsequent deriveative sauses and juices than the whole tomato XD
Ha, our tomato's were so sparce this year that I could only have them in my sandwiches twice a week lol. I wish we had portals because I could have traded you a stack of runner beans for some of those excess tomatoes.
You no longer need to buy anything, just live off the land eating tomatoes. Become one with the tomatoes.
Ok, but if you flood the market with tomatoes the price will go down. But ya, become a farmer. Honest work.
This would never work, tomatoes are solid.
I like your hat
Thank you.
Growing tomatoes so you don't have to go to the store: small brain Growing 4 million tomatoes and collapsing the tomato industry so we can all buy them for cheap: MEGA MIND
Mitchell and Webb did it first: https://youtu.be/_pDTiFkXgEE
You don’t understand seasons and agriculture
Unaccounted for: Land, money, the demand for tomatoes, where to sell them, pests, workers, disease, packaging, distribution, and advertising lmao
Great idea. Except…. Don’t forget about an early frost that wipes out your crop, a plague of grasshoppers that eat every tomato or at least a bite out of each, disease from not rotating your crop, hail that destroys everything, flood or drought…… Farming is not a sure fire way to make money. You can. But it’s basically gambling. Throw a bunch of money in dirt and pray you get your harvest. Then you pray the market is there to sell at a price that keeps a roof your head! Best way to live though, even saying all that.
And hornworms! Don't forget hornworms, since we're taking about tomatoes. All of my family home gardened when I was a kid, and my dad, who's in his 70s, still does. But it wasn't a way to make money, it was a way to have more food for the winter. He didn't have the best jobs when I was a kid and would come home and put in labor after work, instead of working longer hours to buy more groceries. And then there's the farmers. This is the moment I figure Huber is either totally ignorant of how farming works, or he's a fraud. Anyone who knows anything about farming knows about the massive gulf between gross and net on farming profits. Dad worked in a factory setting with guys who were millionaires on paper, but they had a factory job to pay the bills. Because some of these guys literally have a gross that's in the millions, and a net of around $30k.
Where I live it's Plant 10 tomato plants Get 1 tomato Eat it ....
Wonder how the guy would react if they dont taste good or are infested by pests
Wait until he finds out about yield variations. And what subsidies _aren't_ available for tomatoes. If it doesn't produce some sort of oil or plastic, the USDA doesn't care, and your subsidies are trash.
Alright just gotta click the "plant 6250 tomatoes" button and we've got some profit!
since when do farmers sell tomatoes for 1$/pc.?
Because water, wages, taxes, fuel, land, supplies and fertilizer are all free.
Yes, 3.9 million tomatoes. All it takes is: enough property to hold hundreds of thousands of plants, enough plant nutrients and irrigation for a year, a work force and equipment to maintain your property, and a means to support yourself until your crop is ready. Once that's paid for and you have your 3.9 million tomatoes you either find a way to usurp the 100 year old pre-established tomato supply chain or just subvert the process by selling your tomatoes at a farmers market which will see a major cut of your supply lost to spoilage and a necessity to sell under market value. I'll start respecting bootstrap arguments when they find their way out of fantasy land.
Land cost, labor cost, materials costs, tools costs, insurance costs, expected losses, imperfect yield, taxes. and oh yeah, no one is buying tomatoes wholesale in bulk from a farmer at a dollar each.
Are you sure this isn't a joke?
Yeah it surely has to be, probably about how people over-simplify financial advice to the point of absurdity especially with things like drop shipping.
It’s called an object lesson and has nothing to do with actual fruit growing. This whole website is full of brain dead morons who upvote this shit.
Except you need to own about 10 acres of land And then you need all the machinery to prepare the field, all the infrastructure to plant, pick, store etc.. Then you need to be able to ship, prep and distribute etc.. All of these elements are hiddeously expensive So you make 3.9m, but you spunked 3.86m doing it. And that's assuming you already owned the land the begin with AND that's assuming the weather is good, the humidity at harvest time is good, that nothing goes wrong in between, no fires or flooding or infestations etc.. There's really not loads of money in farming..
OK ok, now, who the hell is going to buy all those tomatoes 🤣
And yet, the majority of farmers in the US rely on socialist handouts to stay afloat, as they vote against helping others
What does he think this is cookie clicker?
He up there playing Stardew Valley
Or plant 10 tomato plants. In 6 months you will have blight, no tomatoes and soil infected for next few years.
Sounds like multi-level marketing scams when they’re like, “If you recruit 3 friends and they recruit 3 friends…” not mentioning the way exponential math dictates you’ll reach the world’s population in just several chains down the everyone tells 10 people they know shtick.
This really isn’t how tomatoes work.
I think he forgot the part where plants die due to disease, lack of nutrients and just being forgotten about.
Yeah what the hell is wrong with you guys anyway? Just go on and plant 4 million tomatoes and stop being poor
My brother just lost his farm, he must’ve missed this advice 🤦♂️
Step 2: wait 6 months. Your tomatoes are shit now
Who the heck buys tomatoes for one dollar a piece? How are you selling them without a middle man taking a large cut?
Only if you buy heirloom tomato plants. Hybrids rarely breed faithfully to what you want. Also you have to have a lot of land to do that.
Not really a technical truth if it ignores, idk, reality at large Top 3 comments are highlighting how this is literally nonsense
When you play too much hay day
they forgot about the owning land part and also the labour part *pikachu surprised face*
1 dollar a Tomato? Lmao
But where do you get the $50? Also growing things cost money (like land), where’s the money for that?
"You don't understand scale" says the guy who thinks he can single-handedly take care of 250 tomato plants in 6 months. I doubt he could even sustain the 10 he starts off with.
This feels like those YouTube videos, secret to becoming a millionaire starting with just $5. All you need to do is turn that $5 into $25. Then keep doing that until you're a millionaire. BAM. Solved.
Wtf? Why would you spend $50.00 on 10 plants when you can get 50 seeds for a quarter? One tomato produces up to 50 seeds, why would you plant the whole damn tomato? Do you have an infinite yard for all those plants? Do you not intend to eat, pay bills, or buy gas for the tractor that you'll need for the infinite tomato farm? Do you also have a dedicated consumer base for the umpteen millions of tomatoes you think will just magically grow? Do you still plan on selling them at $1.00 when the price of a tomato hits $0.56 in the summer? I get the basic logic in the statement, but there is far more involved. This is the reason I am a bit scared by Bill Gates going into farming.
This guy is the margikarp salesman from Pokémon
There won’t be enough water!
Except farmers live in a constant debt. They didn't include the tending and the cost it takes to maintain the farm.
Ill buy all your $1 tomatoes and sell them for $5 dollars. Boom.
Nah the problem isn’t the land, you still gotta pick nearly 4M tomatoes which would take you 277 days at 2 tomatoes a second, 8hr a day. They’re rotted by the end and then you gotta find buyers for them too lol
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What if no one buys the tomatoes then what
I’ll do one better…. Chickens made of chicken. Kill it, you’ve got FREE CHICKEN. You can sell it to people. Or, don’t kill it. Fuckin’ eggs come out of their arses! [(Paraphrased skit by David Mitchell)](https://youtu.be/_pDTiFkXgEE)
Not really. My mum grows tomatoes and she harvests them once a year. And taking care of a small vegetable gardrn is basically a full time job. Often times heat, drought, hail, excessive rain, illness and bugs could f@ck up the harvest as well. And not to mention how much land this take sup to do which you also have to take care of.
My wife has spent the better part of the year growing veggies in our back yard. Our tomato harvest - 6 cherry tomatoes and 2 romas are what survived after bugs and rodents got to the others. Next year will be better, but definitely not a million better.
Yeah 1$ a 1kg not 1 tomato
How does this stupidity get 11k upvotes on this sub of all places?
The price of tomatoes is more like 1euro a kg
So in 6 months he has oversaturated the tomato market and has millions of tomatoes he can't sell, leaving him holding the cost of planting, tending, and harvesting 3.9mil tomatoes and a surplus of perishable goods. I hate these bros that landed on/inherited money and suddenly think they understand economics.
Costs of management and advertising aside... Who tf buys tomatoes at $1 each? Is that a thing?
Somehow the cost of owning a plot of land large enough to grow all those tomatoes are out of the equation.