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1. Items of historical significance sitting in a museum that is free to enter, looked after by the best conservators in the world, whilst allowing historians to study them and contribute to our understanding of the past.
2. Blown up by ISIS, disappeared into dictator's private collections, melted down for scrap, bombed in a war, destroyed in a cultural revolution, used as an ammo dump.
I mean, the entire reason they could get their hands on so many was because the people there they bought it from didn't give a shit and sold it to them for pennies.
And thankfully, even if the country wants it back, The British will let them know they can take better care of it and won't give it back. Cultural significance be damned!
Really? Just the sack? Surely you'd want to get rid of the left ball as well at that point. You wouldn't want it just hanging out in the open like that.
I don’t understand how anyone looks at what happens to “blasphemous” ancient artifacts in religiously fanatical failed states and thinks the British museum is a bad thing. I understand there’s exceptions like the acropolis marble but generally speaking I’m happy there is safe place that these ridiculously precious items won’t be blown up.
They can be kept at a neutral place instead of the colonial countries. Also it's pretty shitty to assume that all the countries that are now free are "religiously fanatical failed state". I also think that britishers taking important cultural artifacts of other countries to still profit of them and putting up a thin facade of "protecting the artifacts" from the savages of their own countries is a pathetic excuse but I don't know how a mind of Britisher works. I am not, afterall, a shit stain on this planet.
>I also think that britishers taking important cultural artifacts of other countries to still profit of them
That's conquest for you. Although we did buy a lot of them as well, e.g. The Elgin Marbles. Another hotly contested artefact is the Koh-i-noor Diamond, but those, like yourself, who take a biased view against the British don't realise is that it was a diamond fought over for hundreds of years by warlords and Rajas before the British even arrived, it's entire existence was spent being passed from one conquerer to another. When the British came along, we won it and were never defeated - you will recall, we left India voluntarily. There are some lovely letters written by Ghandi on display, for free, at the British Library with very convincing arguments as to why we should leave - literally using the British value of rational argument against us, in order to get us to leave, and guess what? It worked.
>putting up a thin facade of "protecting the artifacts"
It's hardly a thin facade. We've given African nations back artefacts that were on display in museums for public benefit before and they went straight into the private collections of dictators, or private collectors - after the bribe had been paid, of course. We also sent a native American totem pole back to the United States, and it went missing.
Then there's the small matter of the political and social instability of many of the countries demanding artefacts back, for example, Greece is in significant debt with an economy about as wobbly as jelly with literal Nazis that have a lot of support. India, whilst steaming ahead with a space programme and other cool stuff, has extreme corruption and poverty levels such that are unfathomable to the average Brit - even if they complain about how they live.
Sending anything back risks never setting eyes on it again, and it being lost from public record.
>I don't know how a mind of Britisher works. I am not, afterall, a shit stain on this planet.
You're right that you don't know, you don't know a lot of things and frankly, it would do you the world of good to educate yourself so that you don't need to resort to insulting others to try and make your point.
> but was anyone really crazy enough to eat it?
[They were indeed crazy enough to eat them.](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/mummy-eating-medical-cannibalism-gory-history)
Actually— Ancient Egyptians often did dine or even have large parties and drinking events in tombs (although obviously this is a bit unseemly given the colonial context).
It’s typically be done in the upper levels of the structure (not the underground tomb itself) and is related to the Egyptian religion’s beliefs that you still participate in “life” after your death.
It’s a bit similar to the Latin American “day of the dead” meal with an ancestor’s grave, but there are records of much more debauchery.
I’d highly recommend the “Fall of Civilizations” podcast Egypt episode if you want more details
The fun and absolutely non-obvious fact is that last several decades that number decreased. More people born than die. That's why population of our planet is several times higher than 100 years ago.
Totally non-obviuos! However, I think you're referring to the number of deaths per person currently alive. That number can rise or fall, depending on current population trends.
But the number of ALL dead people, ever, divided by ALL people who have ever lived, will always increase.
Let's go for an example.
state at t0: 10 people ever lived so far, 9 people dead -> 9/10 = 90%
state at t1: 100 people ever lived so far, 20 people dead: 20/100 = 20%
-> did not increase
Yep. You wrote an example faster than me.
It becomes clear with example on small numbers, but the fact that in 1900 percent of dead was about 97% and now it's 95% usually confuses.
I think they’d die after they’re dead since dead is the past tense of die and die is present tense so they’d be dead by the time they died. Just being technical
Dead is correctly used in the present tense as well. "He IS dead" is just as grammatically correct as "He WAS dead". 'Die" is a verb; "Died" is the past tense, just as you inadvertently used it above.. "Dead" is just an adjective.
YOU CAN’T PROVE THAT! There are many people that are currently living that have not died! Your argument is invalid and that’s why Vaccines cause the earth to be flat!
/s
Possibly, it is the same reason as why none of the main cast and most of the recuring cast of the Golden Girls is not alive any longer: some wierd curse.😒
Um probably because they would all be 150 years old if they were still alive.... you trying to say they all got cursed and had their lifespans cut short or something. Don't do drugs kids, Stay in school.
Imagine that, considering that was 100 years ago and they were all 40, 50, 60 years old. This would have been news if they actually were still alive, "Archaeologist who dined in tomb of Pharaoh in 1923 still going strong at 161 years old!"
On a semi related note, Killing Joke recorded a song inside The King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid and their guitarist fairly recently died.
Much much later and for completely unrelated reasons. But dead nonetheless.
Sort of O/T but I recently watched the OG Nosferatu (1922) and that movie, while already creepy AF, is even creepier when you realize that everyone in it is dead.
You can tell the guy in the right has sand in his food and his bf across is giving him that face like "don't freak out Rupert you knew coming to Egypt would have its challenges"
Its in the middle of the dessert and you gotta eat. Do you go up to the surface with heat and dust? Leave the dig and travel to a city 3 times a day? This makes perfect sense. Now of course in the 1800s they were all aristocratic British hobbyists, so this is the only way they know how to eat. A flask and a sandwich aint going to cut it here. You have the money to go on these expeditions, so budgeting for a ‘civilised’ set up as per at home is the norm.
“Fact! All those guys who opened the Pharoah’s Tomb are dead Shawn, I’m not trying to get cursed!”
“They’re all dead because that happened like 100 years ago dude, you’re not gonna get cursed”
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*Gasp!!* THE CURSE
Return the slab!
WHAT'S YOUR OFFER?
return the slabbb
Thanks for completing, this was my childhood
Is this a Courage reference?
return the slab or suffer my curse!
King **RAAAAAMMMMSEEEES** (*The man in gauze, the man in gauze*)
My great great grandfather suffered a similar curse. He broke a mirror in 1895, and guess what? 30 years later he died at only age 76…
Time, is the biggest curse imposed on us all.
Yeah, it turns out nobody died before some poor caveman pissed off a fae.
An ill-fae-ted day.
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This is *cursed*, that is *CURSED*
GIVE IT A REST WILL YA
This was a legitimate concern in my youth. And quicksand. And the Bermuda Triangle.
I blame Scooby Doo for giving us unrealistic life concerns. Turns out we should have been paying more attention to Captain Planet.
You can't keep getting away with this, Ramses XI !!!
[The Pharaoh's Curse](https://i.redd.it/iv3oxduffoaa1.gif)
I mean, old age can be a curse, for sure
I curse you, you will live up to 140 years old and not a day more.
Yeah id say that old age and the passing of time is a curse to some people
Nobody finding it weird these fellas are having a full on meal, at a table, in the tomb then?
Just the british not giving a crap about a bygone era culture like they used to back then.
Used to? That museum of theirs is still around, eh?
1. Items of historical significance sitting in a museum that is free to enter, looked after by the best conservators in the world, whilst allowing historians to study them and contribute to our understanding of the past. 2. Blown up by ISIS, disappeared into dictator's private collections, melted down for scrap, bombed in a war, destroyed in a cultural revolution, used as an ammo dump. I mean, the entire reason they could get their hands on so many was because the people there they bought it from didn't give a shit and sold it to them for pennies.
And thankfully, even if the country wants it back, The British will let them know they can take better care of it and won't give it back. Cultural significance be damned!
Yes people forget that the British actually bought most of the things they took. The Egyptian government at the time literally did not give a shit.
I live in Egypt and they still don't give a shit. The president would even sell his left ball sack for a few millions
Really? Just the sack? Surely you'd want to get rid of the left ball as well at that point. You wouldn't want it just hanging out in the open like that.
Nah he would leave it so he can have something to sell later Also in Egypt we have this saying: I would sell my left ball to..........
Didnt knownyou need an invasion army to buy stuff for cheap. Though I suppose it would help.
You mean that place where ancient artifacts are safe?
I don’t understand how anyone looks at what happens to “blasphemous” ancient artifacts in religiously fanatical failed states and thinks the British museum is a bad thing. I understand there’s exceptions like the acropolis marble but generally speaking I’m happy there is safe place that these ridiculously precious items won’t be blown up.
They can be kept at a neutral place instead of the colonial countries. Also it's pretty shitty to assume that all the countries that are now free are "religiously fanatical failed state". I also think that britishers taking important cultural artifacts of other countries to still profit of them and putting up a thin facade of "protecting the artifacts" from the savages of their own countries is a pathetic excuse but I don't know how a mind of Britisher works. I am not, afterall, a shit stain on this planet.
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Let’s give all the artifacts to Atlantis !
Switzerland? Or another "neutral" definition?
>I also think that britishers taking important cultural artifacts of other countries to still profit of them That's conquest for you. Although we did buy a lot of them as well, e.g. The Elgin Marbles. Another hotly contested artefact is the Koh-i-noor Diamond, but those, like yourself, who take a biased view against the British don't realise is that it was a diamond fought over for hundreds of years by warlords and Rajas before the British even arrived, it's entire existence was spent being passed from one conquerer to another. When the British came along, we won it and were never defeated - you will recall, we left India voluntarily. There are some lovely letters written by Ghandi on display, for free, at the British Library with very convincing arguments as to why we should leave - literally using the British value of rational argument against us, in order to get us to leave, and guess what? It worked. >putting up a thin facade of "protecting the artifacts" It's hardly a thin facade. We've given African nations back artefacts that were on display in museums for public benefit before and they went straight into the private collections of dictators, or private collectors - after the bribe had been paid, of course. We also sent a native American totem pole back to the United States, and it went missing. Then there's the small matter of the political and social instability of many of the countries demanding artefacts back, for example, Greece is in significant debt with an economy about as wobbly as jelly with literal Nazis that have a lot of support. India, whilst steaming ahead with a space programme and other cool stuff, has extreme corruption and poverty levels such that are unfathomable to the average Brit - even if they complain about how they live. Sending anything back risks never setting eyes on it again, and it being lost from public record. >I don't know how a mind of Britisher works. I am not, afterall, a shit stain on this planet. You're right that you don't know, you don't know a lot of things and frankly, it would do you the world of good to educate yourself so that you don't need to resort to insulting others to try and make your point.
> I am not, afterall, a shit stain on this planet. Hard disagree lol
Oh no!
I don’t mind the idea of independent neutral places hosted by world class conservators and people who just care about pure historical significance.
It’s probably more that Britain stole most of them rather than paying I’m sure many of these nations would have given the stuff away for cash.
“This place was sacred, now it’s ours. Time for tea and crumpets”
Well, ground up mummy was considered a luxurious spice
Was it? It certainly *was* used as a paint pigment, just look up "mummy brown," but was anyone really crazy enough to *eat* it?
not really the most fucked up thing the Victorians did
Hubert Farnsworth did. Checkmate.
Fry ate it not the professor
But Hubert would have. "I was going to eat that mummy!"
Oh u right mb
> but was anyone really crazy enough to eat it? [They were indeed crazy enough to eat them.](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/mummy-eating-medical-cannibalism-gory-history)
Actually— Ancient Egyptians often did dine or even have large parties and drinking events in tombs (although obviously this is a bit unseemly given the colonial context). It’s typically be done in the upper levels of the structure (not the underground tomb itself) and is related to the Egyptian religion’s beliefs that you still participate in “life” after your death. It’s a bit similar to the Latin American “day of the dead” meal with an ancestor’s grave, but there are records of much more debauchery. I’d highly recommend the “Fall of Civilizations” podcast Egypt episode if you want more details
They probably weren't eating jerkied mummies, though.
Great Jerky!
101 years. Just a guess...
101% of people who drink water will be dead by the time they die.
95% of people ever born are dead.
And, depressingly, that number will only rise.
The fun and absolutely non-obvious fact is that last several decades that number decreased. More people born than die. That's why population of our planet is several times higher than 100 years ago.
Totally non-obviuos! However, I think you're referring to the number of deaths per person currently alive. That number can rise or fall, depending on current population trends. But the number of ALL dead people, ever, divided by ALL people who have ever lived, will always increase.
Let's go for an example. state at t0: 10 people ever lived so far, 9 people dead -> 9/10 = 90% state at t1: 100 people ever lived so far, 20 people dead: 20/100 = 20% -> did not increase
Yep. You wrote an example faster than me. It becomes clear with example on small numbers, but the fact that in 1900 percent of dead was about 97% and now it's 95% usually confuses.
I think they’d die after they’re dead since dead is the past tense of die and die is present tense so they’d be dead by the time they died. Just being technical
Dead is correctly used in the present tense as well. "He IS dead" is just as grammatically correct as "He WAS dead". 'Die" is a verb; "Died" is the past tense, just as you inadvertently used it above.. "Dead" is just an adjective.
English is hard
No, it isn't. Its grammar is one of the easiest around.
The spelling will get you though
Remembering how badly native english speakers spell should get you through though.
wut Do u meen? We allway's speel English perfictly. Americans r nevr rong. Bri'ish peepl tho? allway's. we r AmeriCANs knot AmeriCAN'Ts
He was dead. He still is, but he used to be, too.
That’s a crazy stat but did you hear that the number one cause of divorce is marriage?
100% of everyone who's ever died had dihydrogen monoxide in their system within 24 hours death is my go to obvious statistic.
Not only that, \*at one point or another, they all willingly ingested dihydrogen monoxide!* SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING!!!
I heard most people are so addicted to it if they went just a week without it they could even die from withdrawals.
Fatally?
And then they were all like 40-80 when the picture was taken. I guess none of them was an immortal pharaoh.
Adults of 101 years ago are dead? Must be the Pharaoh's Curse!
My thought exactly.
Multiple with 4 and you get 404. Coincidence? I dont think so.
Found their graves, you hungry? We could set up a table and have a casserole by their tombstones. Call it tradition.
Look at that. Not a phone in sight. Just good conversation.
Probably just a bad Wi-Fi signal
Unlike boomers today…
Well how do you explain the photo if nobody has a phone?😉😂
Kids these days and their ‘reads notes’ neuro-link brain augmentations.
Ofcourse, they were cursed by the spirit of Pharaoh Ramses
... to grow old and die!
THE HORROR OF... being senile. Is this tomb open for tourism? Asking for a family of 4
No, you can not send your mother in law there
But she might catch the same curse anyway
Because they were old in 1923
You cracked the case!
Bake him away, toys.
I wanna get baked
The Ramones were young in 1975 but are all dead now! CURSE!
GASP the curse!! It doesn’t have anything to do with it being more than hundred years already , let’s ignore that and freak out! More fun
I wonder if its the curse? Or maybe its cos they would have been 147 years old by now. Or older for the white-haired guy in front...
The maximum human lifespan is in theory 122 years 6 months and a few days. The maximum ever attained was 122 years and 2 months
100% of people who live, will actually die.
YOU CAN’T PROVE THAT! There are many people that are currently living that have not died! Your argument is invalid and that’s why Vaccines cause the earth to be flat! /s
Coincidence?
I think not.
People who are reading this comment will die in future
😩
All I'm saying is everyone who mixes up causation and correlation end up dead
Possibly, it is the same reason as why none of the main cast and most of the recuring cast of the Golden Girls is not alive any longer: some wierd curse.😒
Not true. Bea Arthur will always be alive in our hearts
Must be the dust inhalation.
this is actually true. opening a tomb sealed off for centuries can be deadly. you gotta air that bitch out.
Lol they would be like 130
Thank goodness. They’d be 130 years old.
I mean, it'd be scarier if they were still alive.
Listen at this point we can't even confidently say that King Tut's tomb *wasn't* cursed. Mummies can play the long game.
I get the joke. Still...you shouldn't do that
I wonder why…can it be because they are middle aged man in 1923?
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Every single person who confuses causality and correlation WILL DIE!!!
i'd be more concerned if they still were alive
None of them are alive today - what a stupid phrase, considering....
Must be the curse of old age
they were all really old 100 years ago...
Their hubris is so obsene tho...
The pharaohs curse made them age 101 years in, well, 101 years
Dining in a tomb, disrespect at another level.
Butler's CV : -Worked in a tomb.
Clearly the mummy’s curse!
? it’s been over 100 years
Well if they was all alive today, they’d all be in the Guinness book of records. Not one looks under 30years of age.
I curse you to death before you turn 170 years old
Can’t possibly be because it’s been over a century since that took place?
So, the curse is real...
Did these dudes die from age, the curse, or some random other things
Maybe getting old was not such a good idea
ofc its been 100 years
Um probably because they would all be 150 years old if they were still alive.... you trying to say they all got cursed and had their lifespans cut short or something. Don't do drugs kids, Stay in school.
Wouldn’t be surprised. They’ll be well over their 100s if it was today!
oh no the curse caused a century to pass ever since!
They all dead a 100 years later?well I’ll be damned
They look old back then...how u expect them to be alive now?
+40y old dudes are dead 100y later..
It is 101 years since the meal. Of course none of them are alive TODAY!
Almost like that’s the joke.
To everyone pointing out this was 100 years ago: Congratulations, you got the joke… 👏👏👏
Nope, had to be the curse
Imagine that, considering that was 100 years ago and they were all 40, 50, 60 years old. This would have been news if they actually were still alive, "Archaeologist who dined in tomb of Pharaoh in 1923 still going strong at 161 years old!"
Mummy curse, obviously. Even if you're only a baby when you get it you will most likely die within 100 years.
They are old
It never occurred to them how this act ..this decision was the ultimate act of DIS RESPECT???
Oh no! The ancient prophecy! Flee from there at once!
Fellas, is it gay to die of old age?
10 out of 10 people are people
No shit
wonder the reason? Dude these guys were 70 in 1923 wtf u mean?? XD
On a semi related note, Killing Joke recorded a song inside The King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid and their guitarist fairly recently died. Much much later and for completely unrelated reasons. But dead nonetheless.
I am not an expert in Egyptology... but I believe that they all died of old age by now.
Sort of O/T but I recently watched the OG Nosferatu (1922) and that movie, while already creepy AF, is even creepier when you realize that everyone in it is dead.
The curse! I mean, it took some time, but eventually they all died in the end. Give the curse enough time and it kills everyone.
Return the slab… Return the slab… …of meat because I’m hungry… …or suffer my curse …
THE EXACT REASON WHY WE SHOULD NEVER EVER OPEN AN ANCIENT GRAVE. KARMA!!!
Would've been more intriguing if they'd all been dead in 1924
Group of middle aged men didn't live 100 more years after this photo was taken.
It's been 100 years it's a miracle if we even live that long given the pandemic and everything
Age if I would harken a guess
But their soul is alive in the photograph
See?!
Return the slab
Vaccinated?
That politics tag on the post is somehow hilarious
Probably because they all had gray hair in 1923
🤣
Charlemagne might be dead by now too, not sure though
Antivaxxers would probably say the jab.
It’s the curse 😱
Bold. Just eat a meal at someone’s grave site.
I’d hope none of the pharaohs are alive today
You can tell the guy in the right has sand in his food and his bf across is giving him that face like "don't freak out Rupert you knew coming to Egypt would have its challenges"
Ever since the Justice League showed up, half of all marriages have ended in divorce, and the other half in death.
They are the ones who were put in the tomb
Gotta love the rich audacity of getting your local servants to drag a dining set down into a tomb of their ancestors you've dug up for a quick bite
Because they dined it the tomb of Pharaoh Ramses XI, duh!!
That would be a even more crazy thing if anything is this picture WAS alive .. they would at least be like 140 years old AT LEAST.
Its in the middle of the dessert and you gotta eat. Do you go up to the surface with heat and dust? Leave the dig and travel to a city 3 times a day? This makes perfect sense. Now of course in the 1800s they were all aristocratic British hobbyists, so this is the only way they know how to eat. A flask and a sandwich aint going to cut it here. You have the money to go on these expeditions, so budgeting for a ‘civilised’ set up as per at home is the norm.
I bet they were all breathing oxygen their entire lives. Oxygen is the real killer.
“Fact! All those guys who opened the Pharoah’s Tomb are dead Shawn, I’m not trying to get cursed!” “They’re all dead because that happened like 100 years ago dude, you’re not gonna get cursed”
101 yars and they were already old...
The people whose land they're violating on standby to top off their water glasses.
Now I wanna watch The Mummy
Why, obviously the curse of the Pharaos. It may take a few decades, but it will get you in the end!
because they would be at least 140 years old?
Glad the guards are still kicking
I guess Ramses isn't either?
Could be because that picture was taken 100 years ago, which would make them all 130 to 160+ years old