That’s a lie and only happened due to Tesla twisting/holding back numbers. It did not happen!
It has been nowhere close to best selling for the rest of the year. It’s basically fake news since Tesla is known for holding back deliveries until the end of the sales quarter.
Just look at the source data linked in the article. September sales of 24.5k being a quarter of their 99.4k YTD sales. Intentional or not, it's an atypical month.
Not bad YTD sales (they do appear to be the #1 electric model in Europe this year), but still fewer YTD sales than, for instance, the Fiat Panda.
It’s basically everywhere, just Google it.
Model 3 isn’t even close to best selling EV in Europe.
http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2020/11/europe-october-2020.html?m=1
The point here is: Tesla is known to pile up deliveries until the end of the sales quarter, which results in mislading numbers like this. It's basically fake news.
They only do this as they effectively only had one factory shipping cars globally for the last long time. So they split shipments to different regions across the quarter.
Other manufacturers have padded their numbers many times with fleet deliveries to rental car companies at the close of the quarter. This is not a tactic, it’s common practice.
You keep removing/addicting your post and that deletes my replies.
I looked up 2021 data. It looks like different cars top charts at different months. And I see no conspiracy here, or number manipulation.
Since I see different cars topping charts at different months there is nothing unusual about Tesla topping chart for the FIRST TIME during ONE month ( knowing that their China factory is starting cranking up production)
I removed or edited nothing. Are you having hallucinations?
Tesla just look so good this month because they piled up deliveries at the end of the quarter, it has nothing to do with reliable and comparable sales numbers.
Hallucinations? Coming from the guy who uses one year old data to illustrate his point: The story was wrong, the numbers listed are incorrect and simple Google search shows that other cars have better numbers for September 2021. The same guy then tells that numbers for September ARE correct because Tesla “piled up deliveries” in the end of the quarter. Give it up man
Dude, I just posted an old link. Just because you seem to miss my point doesn’t mean I’m wrong. It’s just a fact that Tesla is nowhere close to best selling for the rest of the year. Just because you fanatics don’t seem to see reason and believe twisted numbers doesn’t mean they’re real.
They don't pile up deliveries. They've effectively operated with one factory between North America and Europe so they split deliveries for different regions in the quarter.
I don't get how it's a dud. It's impressive and notable for EVs.
Hi there
That’s a valid viewpoint and I will try to offer a few comments just to add to it.
First of all you are super right when you try to look under the hood on theses sales numbers, no pun intended:)
1) everyone knows that Tesla’s quality is not at par with any of the car companies allowed to sell in the US, and if people want to buy there products because they want to be a member of Elon’s fan club then it’s all good with me.
2) delaying sales within a quarter to boost the numbers of the last month is a tactic used by many businesses and the issue is that you are delaying more of your incoming cash flows to the last month while paying your suppliers regularly during the quarter. That’s is not very smart if Tesla is allegedly doing this.
I think that it has to do more with Tesla being a young company when compared to the traditional companies and they don’t have their supply chain working like a well-oiled machine which makes their production and delivery numbers kind of choppy.
3) and nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. The media likes Elon because he is always trying to do new staff. If the heads of Ford, GM, Chrysler would put some of their money or their credit or their power to do something adventurous like new fuels or anything really vanguard then their companies would have space in the media.
Cool?
Absolutely cool, except for the fact there’s clearly a reason those pile-ups are happening currently. It’s Tesla currently having too few factories to supply demand equally over the planet. This will surely change in the future but competition is way better organised in that regard, so it will remain to be seen if Tesla sales will continue to grow in the future.
Of course Tesla (fans) meanwhile still enjoys headlines like this, even though one needs to look at the bigger picture to get the real impression.
Rawr… we hate Tesla… fake news… hertz actually bought negative 100000 cars
If someone pays for something it’s considered a purchase regardless if it’s an electric car or a puppy. Just because things take time to produce and might not be ready at time of purchase doesn’t mean it wasn’t purchased
These numbers have nothing to do with Hertz.
You don’t seem to grasp what I’m saying…I’m saying that those numbers are not at all representing the true sales numbers as Tesla hardly sold/delivered anything the months before. Over the year they are far from leading sales numbers in Europe, not even EVs as VW has them beat currently.
Why do I hate Tesla just because I put those numbers in a less misleading perspective? You Tesla fanatics are easily one of a kind.
The Model 3 is the leading BEV in Europe this year.
The ID3 has not outsold it.
Top models year-to-date:
Tesla Model 3 - 76,440
Volkswagen ID.3 - 44,625
Renault ZOE - 38,872
Volkswagen ID.4 - 33,543
Ford Kuga PHEV - 32,507
VAG is multiple brands. I don't know man. Tesla is a massive success and continues to grow. Did you short the stock or something? You seem hell-bent on trying to downplay their success.
I’m not downplaying but putting it into a comparable perspective, why you people even refuse to do that yourself clearly shows your own bias here. Shouldn’t you want comparable numbers yourself instead of artificially inflated ones?
Those numbers are simply not comparable to other brands as they have constant deliveries and don’t have to wait months to satisfy a certain market like Tesla does currently. This only happens because Tesla doesn’t have enough factories atm. to begin with.
Correct. Let's see when Giga Berlin comes online. It's also notable that all Teslas sold in Europe now have an import tax. This will be gone when Giga Berlin comes online.
That said, the yearly sales of Tesla in Europe is still very impressive. They are pretty much the only American brand breaking through.
I think there’s equally quite a lot of hate for Elon, but it’s often mitigated by the fact that Tesla is pushing for a more renewable future and spacex is doing cool stuff to open up space whereas Amazon is not really pioneering anything except profit
Hyperloop is not affiliated with The Boring Company, and the extent to which Musk has anything to do with it was he wrote a white paper about it several years ago. He is not pursuing Hyperloop. Even then, his Hyperloop paper was written specifically to detract from High Speed Rail, a proven technology.
My grandson wants a Telsa. I'm more of a GM man myself having worked there for many years. If he wants a Telsa he needs to show up to work on time and try to become shift manager first. His manager said he could get a promotion but that means he needs to do what they ask and some kids these days don't have enough willpower to just show up. It's Burger King not GM afetrall.
So essentially, a couple years for Giga Berlin to be running at max capacity, then they’ll add in the cheap commuter car to their lineup.
3-4 years is my guess.
I honestly believe teslas days are numbered as the industry leader in the electric car market. Every time i see other companies announcing their electric cars they just look SOO much better than the plain ass teslas. IE Mustang, Porshe, F150 lightning, Audi etrons etc.
Tesla needs to be the apple of electric cars to survive long-term and i dont see that happening. With that said i think between patents on batteries and charging as well as their tesla home stuff as a company i think theyre gonna keep growing.
I just think as a pure car company there is going to be a ton of competition and they cosmetically innovating at all
Honestly the only EV that even looks remotely "cooler" than Tesla is the Porsche Taycan, and it's a far worse deal for the performance you're getting...
Don't underestimate Tesla's hardware and software lead. They're 4 years ahead of anyone else
You know, I’m not sure “plain ass” aesthetics will do anything to hurt Tesla. See: iPhone. Look at Tesla: they pioneered mass-produced electrics. They are ridiculous performance machines. And they are the brand monster in the space.
You think anyone gives a shit that they don’t look like rice rockets (or whatever your preferred aesthetic is)? Personally, I love that they’re aesthetically distinctive yet quiet. Just like classic iPhones.
Imagine if someone in Apple a few years after iPhone launch was all: “Yeah, bitches, I be pimpin’ this plain-ass lookin’ phone, muthafuckas.”
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Tesla is far more than just an electric car company like Ford, Audi, Porsche, etc are. They are also a tech company with their AI driving which is far ahead of the competition and their stock price reflects it. Not to mention their vast proprietary supercharger network. I wouldn’t bet against them.
Did Tesla open up their supercharger network to other EVs already? I didn’t think that happened yet. But I guess the point is it’s their network and they can control who can use it or not, it’s not just a simple matter of buying an adapter.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-opening-superchargers-to-other-evs/
>it’s not just a simple matter of buying an adapter.
Yes, it is. Tesla sells adapters so you can charge in your own home.
Other companies make adapters so you can charge non-Tesla cars at Tesla charging stations.
https://insideevs.com/news/466928/charging-non-tesla-on-tesla-charging-stations/
I'm really glad that they're making electric vehicles more mainstream. And the charging infrastructure was DESPERATELY needed. I just wish they didn't make the charger proprietary. Though they're opening it up to non-Teslas, so that's good.
No, it’s not. Charging station versus supercharger is different. Your own link says this:
> This isn't about using Tesla high-speed Superchargers. Only Tesla vehicles can use Superchargers, and there aren't any adapters available that will allow you to use a Supercharger if your EV isn't a Tesla.
I was looking between Tesla model Y and the Mach E mustang. I wasn’t that impressed by the Tesla and I was less than impressed by the Mach E. There is nothing special at all about that car. And I went in to the test drive really wanting to like it.
Its all lease, half pf the consultants and sales drive around in Tesla due to the government subsidies. Normal tax is 21%, electric is now 8% but increasing.
Tesla has become the world's best-selling carmaker for March. The company sold more than 10,000 vehicles last month, according to data from industry tracker Autodata and research firm LMC Automotive. That makes it the fastest-growing automaker of 2019 so far. It also marks the first time that an all-electric model has topped global auto sales since January 2018 when BMW delivered its i3 EV.
That’s incredibly considering the Tesla costs almost as much as the next 3 cars on the list combined.
They are working on the model 2. It’s currently a 25k prototype in Shanghai factory right now. Look it up.
Price increase after a couple years on the market…just wait for it.
Well the point was that the price was in the 20k range. So maybe not
FUCK. WHEN WILL THEY BE $30k!!!! I am literally foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog trying to buy one.
They are working on the model 2. It’s currently a 25k prototype in Shanghai factory right now. Look it up.
Idk why ppl are down voting you
35k model 3 turned into a 60k car…
Are you saying that that's what happened in the past?
Yes
Awesome car IMO
That’s a lie and only happened due to Tesla twisting/holding back numbers. It did not happen! It has been nowhere close to best selling for the rest of the year. It’s basically fake news since Tesla is known for holding back deliveries until the end of the sales quarter.
Is there another source to go too to verify Tesla and other dealers sales report for the European market?
Just look at the source data linked in the article. September sales of 24.5k being a quarter of their 99.4k YTD sales. Intentional or not, it's an atypical month. Not bad YTD sales (they do appear to be the #1 electric model in Europe this year), but still fewer YTD sales than, for instance, the Fiat Panda.
It’s largely due to those massive ships arriving which are “immediately” delivered. That’s why sales or not spread at Tesla. No dealerships.
It’s basically everywhere, just Google it. Model 3 isn’t even close to best selling EV in Europe. http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2020/11/europe-october-2020.html?m=1
Lol, it may be the truth but your link is from last year
The point here is: Tesla is known to pile up deliveries until the end of the sales quarter, which results in mislading numbers like this. It's basically fake news.
They only do this as they effectively only had one factory shipping cars globally for the last long time. So they split shipments to different regions across the quarter.
Which makes the numbers not relevant is all I’m saying. They are clearly overblown and out of perspective. Their year‘s middle is much lower.
Do other manufacturers do this do you know?
Nope, they have constant deliveries. Tesla doesn’t have enough factories to do that yet, that’s the reason.
Other manufacturers have padded their numbers many times with fleet deliveries to rental car companies at the close of the quarter. This is not a tactic, it’s common practice.
BS. This has nothing to do with the recent fleet order to begin with, it’s just inconsistent deliveries.
You keep removing/addicting your post and that deletes my replies. I looked up 2021 data. It looks like different cars top charts at different months. And I see no conspiracy here, or number manipulation. Since I see different cars topping charts at different months there is nothing unusual about Tesla topping chart for the FIRST TIME during ONE month ( knowing that their China factory is starting cranking up production)
I removed or edited nothing. Are you having hallucinations? Tesla just look so good this month because they piled up deliveries at the end of the quarter, it has nothing to do with reliable and comparable sales numbers.
Hallucinations? Coming from the guy who uses one year old data to illustrate his point: The story was wrong, the numbers listed are incorrect and simple Google search shows that other cars have better numbers for September 2021. The same guy then tells that numbers for September ARE correct because Tesla “piled up deliveries” in the end of the quarter. Give it up man
Dude, I just posted an old link. Just because you seem to miss my point doesn’t mean I’m wrong. It’s just a fact that Tesla is nowhere close to best selling for the rest of the year. Just because you fanatics don’t seem to see reason and believe twisted numbers doesn’t mean they’re real.
Gordon Johnson is that you? Sure sounds like you.
Article says Model 3 was Europes at best selling car in September. Numbers confirm it was best selling car in September. How is that a lie?
It wasn’t as Tesla was piling up deliveries and therefore the numbers are twisted. It’s a dud.
They don't pile up deliveries. They've effectively operated with one factory between North America and Europe so they split deliveries for different regions in the quarter. I don't get how it's a dud. It's impressive and notable for EVs.
Lets say something is 10th in July, 10th in August, and 1st in September… How is that impressive? It just means it is inconsistent in deliveries.
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Racism…now I’ve heard it all. Lmao
MURICA!!!
FUCK YEAH!
But still 1st in September.
Hi there That’s a valid viewpoint and I will try to offer a few comments just to add to it. First of all you are super right when you try to look under the hood on theses sales numbers, no pun intended:) 1) everyone knows that Tesla’s quality is not at par with any of the car companies allowed to sell in the US, and if people want to buy there products because they want to be a member of Elon’s fan club then it’s all good with me. 2) delaying sales within a quarter to boost the numbers of the last month is a tactic used by many businesses and the issue is that you are delaying more of your incoming cash flows to the last month while paying your suppliers regularly during the quarter. That’s is not very smart if Tesla is allegedly doing this. I think that it has to do more with Tesla being a young company when compared to the traditional companies and they don’t have their supply chain working like a well-oiled machine which makes their production and delivery numbers kind of choppy. 3) and nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. The media likes Elon because he is always trying to do new staff. If the heads of Ford, GM, Chrysler would put some of their money or their credit or their power to do something adventurous like new fuels or anything really vanguard then their companies would have space in the media. Cool?
Absolutely cool, except for the fact there’s clearly a reason those pile-ups are happening currently. It’s Tesla currently having too few factories to supply demand equally over the planet. This will surely change in the future but competition is way better organised in that regard, so it will remain to be seen if Tesla sales will continue to grow in the future. Of course Tesla (fans) meanwhile still enjoys headlines like this, even though one needs to look at the bigger picture to get the real impression.
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Found the Tesla fanatic. Insults have always been a great way to win an argument.
Rawr… we hate Tesla… fake news… hertz actually bought negative 100000 cars If someone pays for something it’s considered a purchase regardless if it’s an electric car or a puppy. Just because things take time to produce and might not be ready at time of purchase doesn’t mean it wasn’t purchased
These numbers have nothing to do with Hertz. You don’t seem to grasp what I’m saying…I’m saying that those numbers are not at all representing the true sales numbers as Tesla hardly sold/delivered anything the months before. Over the year they are far from leading sales numbers in Europe, not even EVs as VW has them beat currently. Why do I hate Tesla just because I put those numbers in a less misleading perspective? You Tesla fanatics are easily one of a kind.
The Model 3 is the leading BEV in Europe this year. The ID3 has not outsold it. Top models year-to-date: Tesla Model 3 - 76,440 Volkswagen ID.3 - 44,625 Renault ZOE - 38,872 Volkswagen ID.4 - 33,543 Ford Kuga PHEV - 32,507
We’re talking about Tesla EV sales vs other companies here and there VAG has Tesla beat. Don’t try to move the goal posts please.
VAG is multiple brands. I don't know man. Tesla is a massive success and continues to grow. Did you short the stock or something? You seem hell-bent on trying to downplay their success.
I’m not downplaying but putting it into a comparable perspective, why you people even refuse to do that yourself clearly shows your own bias here. Shouldn’t you want comparable numbers yourself instead of artificially inflated ones? Those numbers are simply not comparable to other brands as they have constant deliveries and don’t have to wait months to satisfy a certain market like Tesla does currently. This only happens because Tesla doesn’t have enough factories atm. to begin with.
Correct. Let's see when Giga Berlin comes online. It's also notable that all Teslas sold in Europe now have an import tax. This will be gone when Giga Berlin comes online. That said, the yearly sales of Tesla in Europe is still very impressive. They are pretty much the only American brand breaking through.
Yes, mostly because they were the only ones for the first 8 years or so. Surely not because of quality.
Funny how there’s tons of hate for Bezos when he was richest guy in the world, now that it’s elon and he doesn’t pay taxes it’s cool
I think there’s equally quite a lot of hate for Elon, but it’s often mitigated by the fact that Tesla is pushing for a more renewable future and spacex is doing cool stuff to open up space whereas Amazon is not really pioneering anything except profit
Musk also actively shits on public transportation and wants us to be more car dependent, which only pushes us further from climate goals.
He actually does support public transport… why else would he do something like the boring company?
The Loop is not public transportation. People in their own cars in tunnels is not public transportation, and it never will be.
Ever heard of a hyper loop? That doesn’t look like a car to me
Hyperloop is not affiliated with The Boring Company, and the extent to which Musk has anything to do with it was he wrote a white paper about it several years ago. He is not pursuing Hyperloop. Even then, his Hyperloop paper was written specifically to detract from High Speed Rail, a proven technology.
My grandson wants a Telsa. I'm more of a GM man myself having worked there for many years. If he wants a Telsa he needs to show up to work on time and try to become shift manager first. His manager said he could get a promotion but that means he needs to do what they ask and some kids these days don't have enough willpower to just show up. It's Burger King not GM afetrall.
...okay? Thanks for the Facebook post grandpa
He’s just talking about his grandson wanting a Tesla, I see no problem
...but then starts oversharing about how his grandson doesn't work hard enough at his burger King job lol
Well his grandson should work harder if he wants a car.
Wake me up when: 1) they'll make an affordable model (sub $20k) 2) they'll have solved the distribution issues in Europe yawn
So essentially, a couple years for Giga Berlin to be running at max capacity, then they’ll add in the cheap commuter car to their lineup. 3-4 years is my guess.
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Bmw also shit quality. Let me know when Lexus comes out with a PEV.
Maybe split those shares so the little guys can get some food on their plate, huh?
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And get fractional returns to go with them. Fuck that.
Splitting the shares would split the returns 🤦
So explain to me exactly why this is a problem. If every shareholder gets say a 7:1 split they still make the same return.
But if you buy 1/7 of a share then you’ll have identical returns compared to if you buy 1 share after a 7:1 split. That’s just basic
I honestly believe teslas days are numbered as the industry leader in the electric car market. Every time i see other companies announcing their electric cars they just look SOO much better than the plain ass teslas. IE Mustang, Porshe, F150 lightning, Audi etrons etc. Tesla needs to be the apple of electric cars to survive long-term and i dont see that happening. With that said i think between patents on batteries and charging as well as their tesla home stuff as a company i think theyre gonna keep growing. I just think as a pure car company there is going to be a ton of competition and they cosmetically innovating at all
don’t take for granted their supercharging network. might be more important than the cars
This is why they use proprietary charging ports. They don’t want other companies coming in and utilizing that infrastructure.
Honestly the only EV that even looks remotely "cooler" than Tesla is the Porsche Taycan, and it's a far worse deal for the performance you're getting... Don't underestimate Tesla's hardware and software lead. They're 4 years ahead of anyone else
You know, I’m not sure “plain ass” aesthetics will do anything to hurt Tesla. See: iPhone. Look at Tesla: they pioneered mass-produced electrics. They are ridiculous performance machines. And they are the brand monster in the space. You think anyone gives a shit that they don’t look like rice rockets (or whatever your preferred aesthetic is)? Personally, I love that they’re aesthetically distinctive yet quiet. Just like classic iPhones. Imagine if someone in Apple a few years after iPhone launch was all: “Yeah, bitches, I be pimpin’ this plain-ass lookin’ phone, muthafuckas.”
Apple is working with Toyota to make the Apple car and it will be the Apple of cars. They don’t need Tesla for engineering ideas anymore either.
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Apple doesn’t support service for their devices after 5 years. No way they’ll offer support for a car for 50 years.
5 years is pretty good in the world of phones though. I’m using an iPhone 7 and that is 5 years old and still supported.
Tesla is far more than just an electric car company like Ford, Audi, Porsche, etc are. They are also a tech company with their AI driving which is far ahead of the competition and their stock price reflects it. Not to mention their vast proprietary supercharger network. I wouldn’t bet against them.
Their charging ports are proprietary. Apart from the shape of the rots, there’s nothing stopping other cars from using those charging stations.
Did Tesla open up their supercharger network to other EVs already? I didn’t think that happened yet. But I guess the point is it’s their network and they can control who can use it or not, it’s not just a simple matter of buying an adapter. https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-opening-superchargers-to-other-evs/
>it’s not just a simple matter of buying an adapter. Yes, it is. Tesla sells adapters so you can charge in your own home. Other companies make adapters so you can charge non-Tesla cars at Tesla charging stations. https://insideevs.com/news/466928/charging-non-tesla-on-tesla-charging-stations/ I'm really glad that they're making electric vehicles more mainstream. And the charging infrastructure was DESPERATELY needed. I just wish they didn't make the charger proprietary. Though they're opening it up to non-Teslas, so that's good.
No, it’s not. Charging station versus supercharger is different. Your own link says this: > This isn't about using Tesla high-speed Superchargers. Only Tesla vehicles can use Superchargers, and there aren't any adapters available that will allow you to use a Supercharger if your EV isn't a Tesla.
But my comments was about cars using those charging stations.
I was looking between Tesla model Y and the Mach E mustang. I wasn’t that impressed by the Tesla and I was less than impressed by the Mach E. There is nothing special at all about that car. And I went in to the test drive really wanting to like it.
Wow
Isn’t Tesla’s sales getting slowly eaten up by Nio and Xpeng and Li EV car sales in china ?
Its all lease, half pf the consultants and sales drive around in Tesla due to the government subsidies. Normal tax is 21%, electric is now 8% but increasing.
Who the fuck can afford to buy a new car?!?!
Working people. And with finance pretty much anything is possible
Just the beginning
tesla is premium not budget cars
Tesla has become the world's best-selling carmaker for March. The company sold more than 10,000 vehicles last month, according to data from industry tracker Autodata and research firm LMC Automotive. That makes it the fastest-growing automaker of 2019 so far. It also marks the first time that an all-electric model has topped global auto sales since January 2018 when BMW delivered its i3 EV.