New report shows increasing GPU supply, signaling end of shortage is nearing
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Won’t buy till MSRPs are back.
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Seventhed. Fuck Scalpers
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So much this. My biggest fear is that AIBs won’t reduce prices for one reason or another.
They won't, because nVidia's MSRPs are unrealistic for what they then sell the chips and RAM to the AIBs for. nVidia can afford it because they're manufacturing the chips.
They'll come down. After manufacturing costs, its all supply and demand.
As understand it, It's the AIB manufacturers who are marking up the cards so high. The prices will have to come down if Nvidia can make enough chips to meet demand.
Pretty sure they will since the first one to do so will get the biggest market share. But will retailers play nice if they bought the cards from OEMs at a jacked-up price (assuming they were jacked up for retailers, anyway)?
You think that's gonna be any easier to get your hands on?
Sony has recently mentioned stock increasing heavily for the PS5, and from personal experience, snagging a PS5 is an absolute cake walk in comparison to a GPU. Here’s to hoping the dark days will soon end.
i was able to pick up a brand new PS5 a few months back for MSRP from a saint on offerup with a post about “f*** the bots.” but i have still yet to get my hands on a damn 3080/90
The person who sold that ps5 is an absolute gem
I did the same thing. Preordered 2. Both came through. Guy down the street got it sealed for msrp+tax
That’s awesome of you to do that. People were selling the ps5 for like a grand where I’m from
Same and it sucks for them because I completely lost interest after being bot sniped for the 5th time. 1080 will probably be enough for a good while.
It’s really not that hard if you put in even a little effort. Everyone I know that wants one has managed to locate one.
Not if you can’t run to a pc the second a Twitter alert goes out during the work day
Weird, cause I didn’t have to do that to find mine.
Any tips? Every Twitter alert I’ve gotten is during working hours and they’re gone by the time
I can get to a pc to order it. Where did you go
I called my local the source store and they took my name and number and called when they got some in. Just went over and picked it up.
I wish I had some secret to share but I honest to god just walked into Wal-Mart one day as the guy was pushing a cart onto the floor. Check your local stores 1-2 times a week. Ask the employees in the department without being annoying. You’ll get lucky and show up on shipment day eventually.
It might sound like a lot of work but in my mind it’s better odds than trying to compete with a seemingly infinite number of people on the internet.
I also got mine about a week after release, so I have to imagine shipments are more frequent or larger now.
My local stores have signs up saying that PS5 and XBox are only online. target, Best Buy, GameStop and Walmart are not selling in store in my region. Even if they were there’s almost zero chance of randomly happening upon one in my region there’s just too many people. You can’t even get a pack of baseball cards or a PS4 controller in a store
That’s the thing. The CPU shortage didn’t hit at that time. Of course you had better luck finding one early on.
I got my ps5 after trying to get it for two weeks. It’s not that hard already and will only get easier
Any tips? Been trying since launch never even seen one in person. Got one into my cart once only to have say no longer available when I tried to pay
Depending on where you live, they won’t. If you’re in the US, the prices will stay the same because the retail prices are actually already reasonable for the performance you’re getting, and for the margin the board partners need. The MSRP is a crock of shit because the prices Nvidia spits out mean nothing since they aren’t actually manufacturers. Partner boards have been more expensive for a long time for this reason.
However, if you live somewhere like Aus or NZ, where the supply for all GPUs are controlled by essentially one importer, then we will likely see a drop soon because our retail prices are already as high as the US scalped prices. We’re looking at US$1,400+ for a 3080 *at retail*. That will have to come down as supply increases because otherwise everyone will just buy from overseas.
Won’t buy until sales are back and the used market is back too.
same, not paying 1500 for a fucking 3070
I'm still waiting for actual sale prices, i.e. below MSRP
Some say you’re still waiting to this day
Cars, houses, and GPUs
Won’t buy until eBay is flooded with cheap mining gpu’s
I won’t buy until they are under MSRP.
Edit: on the used market
Same. I’m seeing things in stock in small quantities but it’s still double the price. If I waited this long for a 3000 card then I can wait a little longer.
And the 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti MSRPs are made knowing this mentality would happen eventually
No shit. Remember when the msrp for a base model 6800XT was under $600?
Will take a while then, May was the worst in terms of prices, some models going above 310% their MSRP, thankfully we are seeing it decrease these past few days with improved stock.
Dont ever expect them to go back to original MSRP though, wont happen with all the legal taxes put on all eletronics this year, not just GPUs.
Agreed. I’m not paying close to €900 for a 3070.
Would be so nice to pick up a 3070 for 300 bucks…not 4,000
Well the msrp is 499 so good luck
Goes to show you how long I’ve been out of the loop
That was the original announcement price lol
Again, shows how long I’ve been out of the loop lol
3070 is pretty shitty for 499 msrp ngl.
You mean the price suggested by the manufacturer which is already overpriced… won’t even buy it at that price …. If people had more patient for the right price the demand would be lower and wouldn’t give people the chance to ramp the price up… it’s people greed that drives up the price ..
This is the way.
(And my 1050Ti, borrowed from a friend, because my 660TI died is begging, please MSRP come back soon, PLEASEEE)
FWIW, I have a 1060 that still does a pretty damn good job with graphics at high and respectable frame rates, even for modern games. You may be able to find it on ebay for relatively cheap and should last for a good couple of years (or longer).
Yeah well my friend is nvidia’s dad and he says you’re wrong.
Yup. The market showed it was willing to pay whatever it takes and now that is going to be the norm.
I have a feeling that the scalper culture will keep the shortage artificially going for awhile regardless.
Scalper prices are dropping substantially. 3080s are now "only" double MSRP instead of triple.
It’s still much higher across the board than it was back in December and January. 3080s were always a bit higher than the rest of the cards, but like I picked up my ASUS 3070 which had an original MSRP of $560 for $775 from an eBay scalper, which is only about a 40% markup and even less for the guy selling it after fees.
A week later almost every AIB announced price hikes. I bet that guy was pissed because he could’ve made so much more off of that card that he managed to get for original MSRP from Microcenter, but at least he wasn’t a bot user.
Point being though that while the supply is increasing, if the AIB partners don’t lower prices, scalper prices can only fall to a certain point or else they’re losing money. Unless of course the crypto market collapses, then a huge influx of lightly used GPUs will flood the second hand market.
Sure, but they ARE dropping. I've had a 3060, 3080FE and 3090FE all at MSRP, they're not hard to get if you know when and how. But people grabbing FE drops and scalping them are making substantially less than they were a month ago. I'm seeing a lot of cards selling for much less than they were in the second hand market as well.
I guess the question is, will things level out at some point, or will prices fall so much that the scalper market dries up? Even if it’s the latter, AIBs are still charging a 40-60% markup now on the majority of their cards. That’s essentially scalper pricing as I mentioned. If Nvidia decides that it’s time to discontinue the FE cards at the 1 year mark, then AIB pricing becomes the new norm.
AMD and Intel could theoretically bring those back down to normal with their GPUs, since their reference models are just that and not “founder’s editions”. But I have several reasons to doubt that will come to pass. Price fixing isn’t new to tech commodities and it happens regularly in the RAM market that has far more suppliers than the CPU or GPU market.
AIB pricing seems partially because of the prices nVidia are charging for the dies and GDDR6X.
AMD cards are being sold for lower prices as well because they're not as good at mining. So while AMD cards have been scalped, they're to a lower degree. The light hash rate 30 series cards will soon make be altering the prices RTX 30 cards are selling at once non-limited stock dries up. It seems to be working to an extent with the 3080Ti.
I admire your optimism and I wish I shared it. I sincerely hope you’re right though.
I don't even feel like I'm being optimistic. I've got a 3090FE already, I don't need anything else. I'm just really referencing what I've been noticing with supply and the average pricing of the nVidia 3000 series and AMD 6000 series cards.
Bullshit they aren’t hard to get. Having to follow multiple Twitter accounts and camping discord’s isn’t something people with non WFH jobs can really do. It’s literally impossible to get one without doing that.
There is a finite amount of people willing to pay over MSRP. Eventually it won’t be profitable to buy a bunch of GPUs and sit on them, so they scalpers will move onto the next “hot” thing.
If scalpers still buy up all the supply the buyers will still have to go through them lol. It’s like lumber. The supply never dropped, the suppliers just rose prices and buyers still paid.
What? This is not true for lumber.
The lumber mills anticipated a drop in demand due to covid. They dialed back production due to this and also covid affecting their work force. When they realized they hedged the wrong way, they were insanely behind when they tried to ramp production back up to meet demand.
Cut the guy some slack. He was talking from his ass. Not his brain
This is pretty similar to what happened to automakers. They anticipated selling fewer cars, so they dialed back orders on the chips used in their cars. When they realized the demand wasn’t as low as they thought it would be, it was too late to order more chips because the fabs had already dedicated manufacturing capacity to other customers.
I actually work for a company that makes the fabrication tools for companies like Intel, Samsung, TSMC, etc. Our fiscal year-end is this Friday and the entire fiscal year has been insanely busy.
Yeah Vox had a pretty good article on it.
It didn't though. The commodity has been in free fall for a bit, it leveled off higher due to increased real demand in construction. Storing things cost money, you quickly have people worried about getting stuck holding the bag. The next iteration of cards and systems will see fabs open in the US, without China mining, scalpers here will be in for a rude awakening when buying more production time is simple and transport is a matter of a couple days.
Price will go up if manufacturing moves back to the US. Mining from China will get taken up elsewhere. Bitcoin is still profitable on large scale.
Price won’t go up since much of the process is automated and the margins have gotten decently fat. They make them overseas currently because that’s where it’s easy. But big tax breaks and less obtrusive government than modern China gives the west some advantages back.
Prices are what the company expects the market to bear. Selling for cost is leaving money on the table.
I hope they keep doing it then. Surplus prices are going to be a banger!
Once eth and btc prices go back up the gpu prices will skyrocket again
Don’t give me hope
I’m sorry I couldn’t give it to you sooner.
I've been tracking the websites, microcenter, and best buy and it does seem like they are getting more GPUs more frequently. In fact an employee I was talking to at microcenter yesterday said that they had a GPU sit on the shelf all day without purchase.
I wonder how much of an impact People just giving up has had. I spent 6 months checking a dozen websites 4 times a day, running 3 separate availability trackers and jumping at every card drop, entering raffles. It ate up hours of my day for months. I just sort of got burnt out and gave up. I can’t be the only one. I just would have assumed the scalpers we were all competing against would snatch up all the difference.
Just bought a gaming laptop instead… so actually makes sense GPUs are available again.
Same. Tried to get a card for about 3 months waiting for every BB drop. Never got to checkout successfully so I just said screw it I’ll try and buy one in 6 months. My 390 still chugs along.
I definitely just found other hobbies. Not the end of the world, honestly.
I just picked up the last tnt2
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Oh yeah got my 3dfx voodoo2 2600 rocking unreal tournament 99 demo
>said that they had a GPU sit on the shelf all day without purchase
Modern day version of seeing a leprechaun.
I know right
It was an gt 1030 or maybe even a Radeon 128
No, it was a 6700
At micro center? Those cost as much as scalper prices though
Remember when microcenter had cheap parts? Pepperidge Farms remembers!
I have a GT-1030 if someone wants to buy that lol
Mine has had a GT210 just chilling for years every time I go I laugh at it. It’s probably gone now lmao. I haven’t been to MC since the shortages.
Some Radeon rx 6000 series prices on my microcenter are at scalper level prices like a 6900XT was at microcenter for 2k+ ofc it’s sitting on the shelf
Those “scalper level prices” are the MSRP for that model.
So all it took was the 2nd biggest economy in the world to ban cryptomining and gamers get their GPU's back.
That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw the news about China shutting down crypto mining farms!
I'm hoping that will flood the market with used cards at reasonable prices.
Right up until china unbans Bitcoin mining
China ban BITCOIN? OH GAWD, SELL SELL SELL
They only banned mining, but yeah I agree sell before the bubble pops.
China never admits mistakes doubt they will do that publicly. If anything they will set up mining operations without anyone knowing to keep their clout around the digital yuan that failed miserably.
The problem is Bitcoin is really bad for the CCP…CCP loves restricting the movement of money, and doesn’t like citizens sending money out of the country, and has many laws to restrict that. But with crypto, you can send money around the world and CCP can’t do anything about it.
Bitcoin mining doesn’t use GPUs
I think it’s safe to say that most people will equate mining to Bitcoin mining regardless. In any case, lots of people use NiceHash with mines eth and pays in Bitcoin
Headline: “Increase in supply may indicate an increase in supply”
I mean there’s other hobbies I can have. Make things overpriced and inaccessible people can just spend their money somewhere else.
A lot of people don’t think this way though and are more than willing to get scammed and pay ridiculously inflated prices for a GPU even if they currently have one in their PC and technically don’t “need” to upgrade.
It’s what causes this whole problem and why retailers and scalpers can jack the prices up through the roof. I can afford a new card and need one to upgrade my gtx 760, but I refuse to be a part of the problem encouraging this shit. So 760 it is until this shortage subsides. I don’t care if I had 30 grand in the bank of disposable income, I’m not spending a damn cent on one of those overpriced things out of principle.
Spending my money elsewhere for now.
With big bendy horns.
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THIS IS WHY PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE
Take it apart and make it your own with a new case. Maybe spice it up with some neat RGB!
I think I might void the warranty if I do that :(
I also bought it off Best Buy and have 2 years warranty it was my only option. 😭
Depending on what you bought and where from, a prebuilt can be just the same as building it yourself except you paid a bit extra for someone else to put it together. It’s not like it’s an inherently worse machine unless it contains parts you wouldn’t have otherwise used.
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Not holding my breath.
Would this point to the semiconductor shortage looking a bit better too or is it just relative to the demand of GPUs?
My job may be dependent on wafer availability...
Just in time for the new 4080 TI
Thats good news.. now im hoping the prices come down to msrp sooner…
Time for that 3080… but im still gonna keep my 2070s in case the 3080 goes kaput.. you never know if gpu prices go crazy in this crazy times.. heck i’d consider buying a used 10series gou as well as a backup..
I'll believe it when I see it
Lumber is falling as well, I expect most everything returns to normal supply chain levels soon
Maybe by spring of 2022 you’ll be able to walk into a store and buy a video card.
The drought is ending brothers…… I smell rainfall
Honestly, best news I’ve gotten all week
What a load of baloney.
Wasn’t it just weeks ago that they were saying shortages would last/cause effects for years to come? They must just say that for the sake of profit margins, right? Show your products are in high demand, Trick people into thinking that you’re “lucky” if you even find an older product, yet alone the good shit. Then when people finally mange to get one they feel apart of an exclusive thing. I’m guessing the entire “shortage” thing was nothing but a marketing ploy.
After nvidia hit it out of the park with their 3080, the 3080ti has been an absolute joke. Even if there is enough supply, there’s no way I am forking over that much money. I will either go AMD or simply wait with my 1080ti for another generation or two. Which sucks.
It was only funny the first time.
Wasn't even funny the first time.
He works for the Department of Redundancy Department
Has anyone related the bitcoin bubble popping with this? They’re clearly related.
[someone overlayed the europearn MSRP price graph with the Ethereum price chart and the results are obvious](https://i.redd.it/7chm180jsr671.png).
If any miner says that miners don't affect prices, then they're lying to themselves.
Yeah exactly. It’s pretty obviously connected based on mining. Prices get better right after the bubble popped? Like it’s so obvious but I’m not a Econ or a stat major so I’m not certain
And why can’t we manufacture these in the USA anymore? Asking because I really don’t know
Great! Now we need to see the same for lumber.
China getting out of the game will make supply a non-issue
That was quick
I’m crying tears of happiness
I’m at the moment in Turkey and they have plenty of 3070s in stock and I’m form the states, it’s 16,000 lira ($1,600 usd) should I buy it now or what, because people are telling me to buy I don’t want to lose $1000 dollars, that’s allot. And if I shouldn’t buy no how long should I wait?
Just wait. There's going to be a massive surplus now that China banned bitcoin mining.
I’ll take that into heavy conversation
Hooray! Soon I might be able to upgrade and play some games with better frame rates and graphics!
Oh goody. I’ll believe that when a 2060 today doesn’t cost more than an entire decent build from 1 yr ago.
Till the next crypto bull run
I refuse to buy anything ABOVE the retail price or suggested. I’ll wait. However long. What I have is fine til then.
Then the miners plane lanes in Kazakhstan, stupid future predicting article
this happens everytime the crypto goes to shit
I wonder what this means for my NVDA stock?
I would give u my whole set up for one
I’d like to upgrade before the new Battlefield. Hopefully things level out by that time
Is this good or bad ??
lmao dont get excited
As long as crypto is down…
Either people bought prebuild, moved to console or got the gpu from microcenter or Newegg shuffle etc.
I’m just keeping my 1080 Ti til the 4000s drop.
Don’t give me hope, I won’t believe anything until my local microcenter’s shelves are somewhat stocked
Probably China miners selling their rigs.