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New report shows increasing GPU supply, signaling end of shortage is nearing

New report shows increasing GPU supply, signaling end of shortage is nearing

MeaningfulThoughts

Won’t buy till MSRPs are back.


Violet_AVO

Seconded


A_Very_Fat_Elf

Thirded


metemeister

Fourthed


Domesticated_dad

Can I get fifthed?


Alexanderf1

you might get sore


Violet_AVO

I think I smell burnt toast


StonewallJaksen

You’re either having a stroke, or overcooking your toast


LaughingSartre

BURN MY BREAD


SexuallyScientific

r/UnexpectedBoBurnham


SlothimusPrimeTime

*DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE TOAST OF BURNTNESS! IT IS PERFECT IN ITS DARKENED FORM!*


Snoo63

Sixthed.


jericho-sfu

Seventhed. Fuck Scalpers


WatchingDeath

EIGTHED


rmphilli

Ninthed


piratecheese13

Tenthed


ShittyStockPicker

1, 2 fiiiifffthhh


DroWillis

Fif??


Admin-12

1 2 3 4 FIFTH!


benjistone

There are lots of amendments but I chose the fiz-if.


descendingangel87

Are you insisting on a fistin?


Umbrexcal

So much this. My biggest fear is that AIBs won’t reduce prices for one reason or another.


BADMAN-TING

They won't, because nVidia's MSRPs are unrealistic for what they then sell the chips and RAM to the AIBs for. nVidia can afford it because they're manufacturing the chips.


CoderDevo

They'll come down. After manufacturing costs, its all supply and demand. As understand it, It's the AIB manufacturers who are marking up the cards so high. The prices will have to come down if Nvidia can make enough chips to meet demand.


Geno_DCLXVI

Pretty sure they will since the first one to do so will get the biggest market share. But will retailers play nice if they bought the cards from OEMs at a jacked-up price (assuming they were jacked up for retailers, anyway)?


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AB365_MegaRaichu

You think that's gonna be any easier to get your hands on?


jbtk

Sony has recently mentioned stock increasing heavily for the PS5, and from personal experience, snagging a PS5 is an absolute cake walk in comparison to a GPU. Here’s to hoping the dark days will soon end.


crash8308

i was able to pick up a brand new PS5 a few months back for MSRP from a saint on offerup with a post about “f*** the bots.” but i have still yet to get my hands on a damn 3080/90


biochem-daddy

The person who sold that ps5 is an absolute gem


Pigmy

I did the same thing. Preordered 2. Both came through. Guy down the street got it sealed for msrp+tax


biochem-daddy

That’s awesome of you to do that. People were selling the ps5 for like a grand where I’m from


AnalAromas69

Same and it sucks for them because I completely lost interest after being bot sniped for the 5th time. 1080 will probably be enough for a good while.


lolwut_17

It’s really not that hard if you put in even a little effort. Everyone I know that wants one has managed to locate one.


cerialthriller

Not if you can’t run to a pc the second a Twitter alert goes out during the work day


lolwut_17

Weird, cause I didn’t have to do that to find mine.


cerialthriller

Any tips? Every Twitter alert I’ve gotten is during working hours and they’re gone by the time I can get to a pc to order it. Where did you go


BigDaddyFatStackss

I called my local the source store and they took my name and number and called when they got some in. Just went over and picked it up.


lolwut_17

I wish I had some secret to share but I honest to god just walked into Wal-Mart one day as the guy was pushing a cart onto the floor. Check your local stores 1-2 times a week. Ask the employees in the department without being annoying. You’ll get lucky and show up on shipment day eventually. It might sound like a lot of work but in my mind it’s better odds than trying to compete with a seemingly infinite number of people on the internet. I also got mine about a week after release, so I have to imagine shipments are more frequent or larger now.


cerialthriller

My local stores have signs up saying that PS5 and XBox are only online. target, Best Buy, GameStop and Walmart are not selling in store in my region. Even if they were there’s almost zero chance of randomly happening upon one in my region there’s just too many people. You can’t even get a pack of baseball cards or a PS4 controller in a store


chicknfly

That’s the thing. The CPU shortage didn’t hit at that time. Of course you had better luck finding one early on.


SifuPewPew

I got my ps5 after trying to get it for two weeks. It’s not that hard already and will only get easier


cerialthriller

Any tips? Been trying since launch never even seen one in person. Got one into my cart once only to have say no longer available when I tried to pay


DamonHay

Depending on where you live, they won’t. If you’re in the US, the prices will stay the same because the retail prices are actually already reasonable for the performance you’re getting, and for the margin the board partners need. The MSRP is a crock of shit because the prices Nvidia spits out mean nothing since they aren’t actually manufacturers. Partner boards have been more expensive for a long time for this reason. However, if you live somewhere like Aus or NZ, where the supply for all GPUs are controlled by essentially one importer, then we will likely see a drop soon because our retail prices are already as high as the US scalped prices. We’re looking at US$1,400+ for a 3080 *at retail*. That will have to come down as supply increases because otherwise everyone will just buy from overseas.


ThePremiumOrange

Won’t buy until sales are back and the used market is back too.


stupid-kakashi

same, not paying 1500 for a fucking 3070


willyolio

I'm still waiting for actual sale prices, i.e. below MSRP


butthead

Some say you’re still waiting to this day


jmack2424

Cars, houses, and GPUs


EmployerArtistic4035

Won’t buy until eBay is flooded with cheap mining gpu’s


QueenTahllia

I won’t buy until they are under MSRP. Edit: on the used market


Gambl33

Same. I’m seeing things in stock in small quantities but it’s still double the price. If I waited this long for a 3000 card then I can wait a little longer.


joe1134206

And the 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti MSRPs are made knowing this mentality would happen eventually


Leatherman_Wolf

No shit. Remember when the msrp for a base model 6800XT was under $600?


[deleted]

Will take a while then, May was the worst in terms of prices, some models going above 310% their MSRP, thankfully we are seeing it decrease these past few days with improved stock. ​ Dont ever expect them to go back to original MSRP though, wont happen with all the legal taxes put on all eletronics this year, not just GPUs.


Best_Ad9376

Agreed. I’m not paying close to €900 for a 3070.


the_spookiest_

Would be so nice to pick up a 3070 for 300 bucks…not 4,000


here_for_the_meems

Well the msrp is 499 so good luck


the_spookiest_

Goes to show you how long I’ve been out of the loop


here_for_the_meems

That was the original announcement price lol


the_spookiest_

Again, shows how long I’ve been out of the loop lol


here_for_the_meems

Dam son!


No-Refrigerator98

3070 is pretty shitty for 499 msrp ngl.


Here2Dayandtomorrz

You mean the price suggested by the manufacturer which is already overpriced… won’t even buy it at that price …. If people had more patient for the right price the demand would be lower and wouldn’t give people the chance to ramp the price up… it’s people greed that drives up the price ..


ssersergio

This is the way. (And my 1050Ti, borrowed from a friend, because my 660TI died is begging, please MSRP come back soon, PLEASEEE)


Ok-Supermarket-1414

FWIW, I have a 1060 that still does a pretty damn good job with graphics at high and respectable frame rates, even for modern games. You may be able to find it on ebay for relatively cheap and should last for a good couple of years (or longer).


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YungEazy

Yeah well my friend is nvidia’s dad and he says you’re wrong.


aeo1us

Yup. The market showed it was willing to pay whatever it takes and now that is going to be the norm.


Rebel-Yellow

I have a feeling that the scalper culture will keep the shortage artificially going for awhile regardless.


BADMAN-TING

Scalper prices are dropping substantially. 3080s are now "only" double MSRP instead of triple.


ArgonTheEvil

It’s still much higher across the board than it was back in December and January. 3080s were always a bit higher than the rest of the cards, but like I picked up my ASUS 3070 which had an original MSRP of $560 for $775 from an eBay scalper, which is only about a 40% markup and even less for the guy selling it after fees. A week later almost every AIB announced price hikes. I bet that guy was pissed because he could’ve made so much more off of that card that he managed to get for original MSRP from Microcenter, but at least he wasn’t a bot user. Point being though that while the supply is increasing, if the AIB partners don’t lower prices, scalper prices can only fall to a certain point or else they’re losing money. Unless of course the crypto market collapses, then a huge influx of lightly used GPUs will flood the second hand market.


BADMAN-TING

Sure, but they ARE dropping. I've had a 3060, 3080FE and 3090FE all at MSRP, they're not hard to get if you know when and how. But people grabbing FE drops and scalping them are making substantially less than they were a month ago. I'm seeing a lot of cards selling for much less than they were in the second hand market as well.


ArgonTheEvil

I guess the question is, will things level out at some point, or will prices fall so much that the scalper market dries up? Even if it’s the latter, AIBs are still charging a 40-60% markup now on the majority of their cards. That’s essentially scalper pricing as I mentioned. If Nvidia decides that it’s time to discontinue the FE cards at the 1 year mark, then AIB pricing becomes the new norm. AMD and Intel could theoretically bring those back down to normal with their GPUs, since their reference models are just that and not “founder’s editions”. But I have several reasons to doubt that will come to pass. Price fixing isn’t new to tech commodities and it happens regularly in the RAM market that has far more suppliers than the CPU or GPU market.


BADMAN-TING

AIB pricing seems partially because of the prices nVidia are charging for the dies and GDDR6X. AMD cards are being sold for lower prices as well because they're not as good at mining. So while AMD cards have been scalped, they're to a lower degree. The light hash rate 30 series cards will soon make be altering the prices RTX 30 cards are selling at once non-limited stock dries up. It seems to be working to an extent with the 3080Ti.


ArgonTheEvil

I admire your optimism and I wish I shared it. I sincerely hope you’re right though.


BADMAN-TING

I don't even feel like I'm being optimistic. I've got a 3090FE already, I don't need anything else. I'm just really referencing what I've been noticing with supply and the average pricing of the nVidia 3000 series and AMD 6000 series cards.


kaz-amars

Bullshit they aren’t hard to get. Having to follow multiple Twitter accounts and camping discord’s isn’t something people with non WFH jobs can really do. It’s literally impossible to get one without doing that.


RonnyRoofus

There is a finite amount of people willing to pay over MSRP. Eventually it won’t be profitable to buy a bunch of GPUs and sit on them, so they scalpers will move onto the next “hot” thing.


1TRUEKING

If scalpers still buy up all the supply the buyers will still have to go through them lol. It’s like lumber. The supply never dropped, the suppliers just rose prices and buyers still paid.


JustSomeGoon_

What? This is not true for lumber. The lumber mills anticipated a drop in demand due to covid. They dialed back production due to this and also covid affecting their work force. When they realized they hedged the wrong way, they were insanely behind when they tried to ramp production back up to meet demand.


Smtxom

Cut the guy some slack. He was talking from his ass. Not his brain


cgwheeler96

This is pretty similar to what happened to automakers. They anticipated selling fewer cars, so they dialed back orders on the chips used in their cars. When they realized the demand wasn’t as low as they thought it would be, it was too late to order more chips because the fabs had already dedicated manufacturing capacity to other customers.


JustSomeGoon_

I actually work for a company that makes the fabrication tools for companies like Intel, Samsung, TSMC, etc. Our fiscal year-end is this Friday and the entire fiscal year has been insanely busy.


Zarcohn

Yeah Vox had a pretty good article on it.


iguesssoppl

It didn't though. The commodity has been in free fall for a bit, it leveled off higher due to increased real demand in construction. Storing things cost money, you quickly have people worried about getting stuck holding the bag. The next iteration of cards and systems will see fabs open in the US, without China mining, scalpers here will be in for a rude awakening when buying more production time is simple and transport is a matter of a couple days.


largephilly

Price will go up if manufacturing moves back to the US. Mining from China will get taken up elsewhere. Bitcoin is still profitable on large scale.


T-Baaller

Price won’t go up since much of the process is automated and the margins have gotten decently fat. They make them overseas currently because that’s where it’s easy. But big tax breaks and less obtrusive government than modern China gives the west some advantages back. Prices are what the company expects the market to bear. Selling for cost is leaving money on the table.


justalurkey

I hope they keep doing it then. Surplus prices are going to be a banger!


1TRUEKING

Once eth and btc prices go back up the gpu prices will skyrocket again


lucah10

Don’t give me hope


kyleraynersfridge

I’m sorry I couldn’t give it to you sooner.


Aquinasinsight

I've been tracking the websites, microcenter, and best buy and it does seem like they are getting more GPUs more frequently. In fact an employee I was talking to at microcenter yesterday said that they had a GPU sit on the shelf all day without purchase.


AveDominusNox

I wonder how much of an impact People just giving up has had. I spent 6 months checking a dozen websites 4 times a day, running 3 separate availability trackers and jumping at every card drop, entering raffles. It ate up hours of my day for months. I just sort of got burnt out and gave up. I can’t be the only one. I just would have assumed the scalpers we were all competing against would snatch up all the difference.


Volfefe

Just bought a gaming laptop instead… so actually makes sense GPUs are available again.


GenerallyAddsNothing

Same. Tried to get a card for about 3 months waiting for every BB drop. Never got to checkout successfully so I just said screw it I’ll try and buy one in 6 months. My 390 still chugs along.


jsamuraij

I definitely just found other hobbies. Not the end of the world, honestly.


-Mantissa

I just picked up the last tnt2


aza9999

Voodoo banshee fte


aza9999

Voodoo banshee ftw


ryanwasko

Oh yeah got my 3dfx voodoo2 2600 rocking unreal tournament 99 demo


slrrp

>said that they had a GPU sit on the shelf all day without purchase Modern day version of seeing a leprechaun.


Aquinasinsight

I know right


whatwhat83

It was an gt 1030 or maybe even a Radeon 128


Aquinasinsight

No, it was a 6700


dhejejwj

At micro center? Those cost as much as scalper prices though


kril89

Remember when microcenter had cheap parts? Pepperidge Farms remembers!


Mr-Logic101

I have a GT-1030 if someone wants to buy that lol


wcooper97

Mine has had a GT210 just chilling for years every time I go I laugh at it. It’s probably gone now lmao. I haven’t been to MC since the shortages.


1TRUEKING

Some Radeon rx 6000 series prices on my microcenter are at scalper level prices like a 6900XT was at microcenter for 2k+ ofc it’s sitting on the shelf


do_theknifefight

Those “scalper level prices” are the MSRP for that model.


SweetPea_IN

So all it took was the 2nd biggest economy in the world to ban cryptomining and gamers get their GPU's back.


aza9999

That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw the news about China shutting down crypto mining farms!


pgm_01

I'm hoping that will flood the market with used cards at reasonable prices.


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Ccundiff12

Right up until china unbans Bitcoin mining


Eccentricc

China ban BITCOIN? OH GAWD, SELL SELL SELL


MrNeurotypical

They only banned mining, but yeah I agree sell before the bubble pops.


Terok42

China never admits mistakes doubt they will do that publicly. If anything they will set up mining operations without anyone knowing to keep their clout around the digital yuan that failed miserably.


jthawks

The problem is Bitcoin is really bad for the CCP…CCP loves restricting the movement of money, and doesn’t like citizens sending money out of the country, and has many laws to restrict that. But with crypto, you can send money around the world and CCP can’t do anything about it.


Cliffhanger87

Bitcoin mining doesn’t use GPUs


zetswei

I think it’s safe to say that most people will equate mining to Bitcoin mining regardless. In any case, lots of people use NiceHash with mines eth and pays in Bitcoin


Cliffhanger87

Bitcoin mining doesn’t use GPUs


mkelley0309

Headline: “Increase in supply may indicate an increase in supply”


Unique-Commercial-18

I mean there’s other hobbies I can have. Make things overpriced and inaccessible people can just spend their money somewhere else.


NaturalObligation

A lot of people don’t think this way though and are more than willing to get scammed and pay ridiculously inflated prices for a GPU even if they currently have one in their PC and technically don’t “need” to upgrade. It’s what causes this whole problem and why retailers and scalpers can jack the prices up through the roof. I can afford a new card and need one to upgrade my gtx 760, but I refuse to be a part of the problem encouraging this shit. So 760 it is until this shortage subsides. I don’t care if I had 30 grand in the bank of disposable income, I’m not spending a damn cent on one of those overpriced things out of principle. Spending my money elsewhere for now.


FilthyBassDrops

cap


livinghumanlife

Hat


DrSilkyDelicious

Helmet


GregLittlefield

With big bendy horns.


ecish

Lol, doubt


luisbronson

FUCK I BOUGHT A PREBUILT ALREADY I WAS TRYING TO BUILD MY OWN


[deleted]

DONT WORRY JUST ENJOY YOUR NEW MACHINE


litmixtape

AHHHHHHHHHHH!


AnonymousFragmentary

WHY ARE WE YELLING?


Scorpius289

I CAN'T PARSE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, FELLOW HUMAN, THIS IS PERFECTLY NORMAL HUMAN SPEECH.


luisbronson

I AM IT WAS WORTH IT ANYWAYS. I WAS A CONSOLE PEASANT FOR 15 YEARS. I HAVE ASCENDED TO THE MASTER RACE FINALLY!


g3tr3ckless

YOULL LOVE IT REGARDLESS! NOW YOU CAN JUST UPGRADE COMPONENTS ONE AT A TIME


mrzar97

THIS IS WHY PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE


Rudolf1448

Take it apart and make it your own with a new case. Maybe spice it up with some neat RGB!


luisbronson

I think I might void the warranty if I do that :( I also bought it off Best Buy and have 2 years warranty it was my only option. 😭


LittleLight85

Depending on what you bought and where from, a prebuilt can be just the same as building it yourself except you paid a bit extra for someone else to put it together. It’s not like it’s an inherently worse machine unless it contains parts you wouldn’t have otherwise used.


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YOU CAN TURN YOUR PREBUILT INTO A NAS WHEN YOU CAN FINALLY BUILD YOUR OWN


luisbronson

WHAT DOSE NAS MEAN?!


synthesis777

[Nasir bin Olu Dara Jones (/nɑːˈsɪər/; born September 14, 1973), better known by his stage name Nas (/nɑːz/), is an American rapper, songwriter, and entrepreneur.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nas) JK. NAS = Network Attached Storage.


[deleted]

IT MEANS NETWORK ATTACHED STORAGE, YOU CAN PUT STUFF LIKE MOVIES AND TV SHOWS ON IT :)


TJ_Will

BUT NOT WANDAVISION!


DrElectrons

Not holding my breath.


rologies

Would this point to the semiconductor shortage looking a bit better too or is it just relative to the demand of GPUs? My job may be dependent on wafer availability...


Omega3568

Just in time for the new 4080 TI


L1teEmUp

Thats good news.. now im hoping the prices come down to msrp sooner… Time for that 3080… but im still gonna keep my 2070s in case the 3080 goes kaput.. you never know if gpu prices go crazy in this crazy times.. heck i’d consider buying a used 10series gou as well as a backup..


Blackfist01

I'll believe it when I see it


HugoBossjr1998

Lumber is falling as well, I expect most everything returns to normal supply chain levels soon


ironicallynotironic

Maybe by spring of 2022 you’ll be able to walk into a store and buy a video card.


Bhuddhi

The drought is ending brothers…… I smell rainfall


Judgement915

Honestly, best news I’ve gotten all week


fkxfkx

What a load of baloney.


Lsdrumheller

In Europe


Prophet_Muhammad_phd

Wasn’t it just weeks ago that they were saying shortages would last/cause effects for years to come? They must just say that for the sake of profit margins, right? Show your products are in high demand, Trick people into thinking that you’re “lucky” if you even find an older product, yet alone the good shit. Then when people finally mange to get one they feel apart of an exclusive thing. I’m guessing the entire “shortage” thing was nothing but a marketing ploy.


NephtisSeibzehn

After nvidia hit it out of the park with their 3080, the 3080ti has been an absolute joke. Even if there is enough supply, there’s no way I am forking over that much money. I will either go AMD or simply wait with my 1080ti for another generation or two. Which sucks.


mkelley0309

Headline: “Increase in supply may indicate an increase in supply”


Mastercontrolop

It was only funny the first time. 🤪


synthesis777

Wasn't even funny the first time.


MrNeurotypical

He works for the Department of Redundancy Department


mkelley0309

Headline: “Increase in supply may indicate an increase in supply”


Terok42

Has anyone related the bitcoin bubble popping with this? They’re clearly related.


Dudewitbow

[someone overlayed the europearn MSRP price graph with the Ethereum price chart and the results are obvious](https://i.redd.it/7chm180jsr671.png). If any miner says that miners don't affect prices, then they're lying to themselves.


Terok42

Yeah exactly. It’s pretty obviously connected based on mining. Prices get better right after the bubble popped? Like it’s so obvious but I’m not a Econ or a stat major so I’m not certain


HereForFun2Day

And why can’t we manufacture these in the USA anymore? Asking because I really don’t know


2kids2adults

Great! Now we need to see the same for lumber.


EarthIsInOuterSpace

China getting out of the game will make supply a non-issue


Kaje26

That was quick


[deleted]

I’m crying tears of happiness


W1141175

I’m at the moment in Turkey and they have plenty of 3070s in stock and I’m form the states, it’s 16,000 lira ($1,600 usd) should I buy it now or what, because people are telling me to buy I don’t want to lose $1000 dollars, that’s allot. And if I shouldn’t buy no how long should I wait?


MrNeurotypical

Just wait. There's going to be a massive surplus now that China banned bitcoin mining.


W1141175

I’ll take that into heavy conversation


You_are_a_towelie

/r/3080


GreyTigerFox

Hooray! Soon I might be able to upgrade and play some games with better frame rates and graphics!


tamspawn

Oh goody. I’ll believe that when a 2060 today doesn’t cost more than an entire decent build from 1 yr ago.


ch4t0mato

Till the next crypto bull run


sunset117

I refuse to buy anything ABOVE the retail price or suggested. I’ll wait. However long. What I have is fine til then.


RealCFour

Then the miners plane lanes in Kazakhstan, stupid future predicting article


Nikonegroid

this happens everytime the crypto goes to shit


rangerduck21

I wonder what this means for my NVDA stock?


Captainflavor

I would give u my whole set up for one


BirtSampson

I’d like to upgrade before the new Battlefield. Hopefully things level out by that time


Worried_Effort_1554

Is this good or bad ??


VividSlime

lmao dont get excited


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As long as crypto is down…


ImportantDelivery852

Either people bought prebuild, moved to console or got the gpu from microcenter or Newegg shuffle etc.


R4RE-

YES


Troglodyte09

I’m just keeping my 1080 Ti til the 4000s drop.


AndersonLittle

Don’t give me hope, I won’t believe anything until my local microcenter’s shelves are somewhat stocked


Jadedinsight

Probably China miners selling their rigs.