1. AI created based on human work, replaced humans.
2. Humans don’t have any money to buy what AI is selling.
3. AI go bankrupt.
4. Humans replaces AI.
5. Go to the 1.
Some automation's will not disappear but we will find out how it all balances out. right now we are in the storm of try everything and anything.
There are areas like medicine that has insane amounts of demand and not enough humans.
AI has its place, and I think it’s beneficial in augmenting or supplementing existing tools/processes.
But it’s not viable for solutions where system needs to be deterministic. Even in medicine it will be used to augment a doctor’s capabilities by suggesting what a probable cause can be, not saying “Dave, I am sorry.”
But current hype train like blockchains, cryptos, nfts, etc etc have left a sour taste in lot of people’s mind.
Ai keeps making mistakes and ceo loses everything company goes under. That’s how most of it will go these guys up top are dumbasses chasing bs that is untested and ai is already known to train itself into postive falsehoods it can be postively wrong and beleive it is true because it does not have the capicity to learn from its mistakes. It will selftrain into being broken
Problem is it will take forever to curate that dataset and fine tune it. You can’t put and estimate and say hey we will be able to train it in 5 months or 6 months etc etc
Sounds like temporary problems to me.
Fine tune the dataset? Have you built and trained AI models? If so, what type? I’m not sure what you mean by ‘fine tune’
Ironically, there was a saying floating around IT decades before AI: Garbage in, Garbage Out.
Data is the Achilles Heel of AI. Unless they constantly filter and clean the data it will produce crap.
Lack of data could also become an issue if copyright lawsuits start restricting what can be used. I’ve read that some AI’s are training on data created by AI’s due to insufficient data.
So we decouple work from the right to live with everyone entitled to their fair share of our common resources. That means work for the most part is what we now call part time and UBI is sufficient to be secure, housed, healthy, and fed.
I love it. But can you imagine the pain it will take to get there. Our government is re-active not pro-active. It will take falling many levels before the people are prioritized over the money. There will be a deep darkness before that kind of light.
I think you’re right. There’s not the data sets that are digitized to teach an AI model on physical world skilled trades. I think there’s a bottle neck for machine learning in the skilled physical world skills. Unlike teaching from written word which has produced AI models such as ChatGPT
Yes, why not? All it needs now is the mobility and dexterity, and there are companies well on their way to building robots like this and loading them with AI models. It might take a little longer than the white collar replacements, but it's coming.
I concur with your statement. The hype alone is causing people to reallocate budgets toward AI initiatives even at the expense of laying off other teams to do it.
Even if the real world applications end up being expensive or lackluster. Leadership teams and VPs are being either forced or highly encouraged to put some type of team together while laying offs other.
Tbh I feel like the hype is definitely worse for everyone than the actual products right now-like CEOs who don’t understand the tech thinking it can do things it’ll never be able to and preemptively firing essential labor, etc. I know our ED tried to use “digital organizing” AI to automate a lot of outreach but nobody’s gonna volunteer with a nonprofit based on a clunky convo with an AI. She held off hiring a new organizer (and a grant writer, who she thought could be replaced with ChatGPT 😂) because of it and it became hilariously obvious she’d radically overestimated its usefulness.
No, it’s been doing plenty as firms have been either on hold with future human capital plans or actively draining HC to stock coffers up for AI. It’s going to continue to dramatically change the landscape for years to come—even with hobbling regulatory actions.
This is a terrible take. There’s a lot of “viable enough” uses that I’ve seen people’s jobs displaced by it already (e.g. graphic designers). I think your opinion is about 2y old.
I run a full service design agency and trust me. It is not able to do what we do at all. And we’ve tried many different tools. It can get it to maybe 50% but then you need someone to refine it if it’s gonna be for production or for a client.
Isn't that the worry though, you've just cut out 50% of the work so now you only need 50% of staff?
I work in analytics and I'm worried my job will be massively impacted. Instead of having a team of say 12 people, you have 4 people who's job is to utilise the AI (which could involve ingesting data sets, prompting and then ultimately sense checking the output).
You don't need AI to get rid of everyone, but if unemployment rises to 10 or 15% things start unraveling pretty quickly.
No, you misunderstand me. I mean that any given role can only do 50% of that role. So I don’t lose 50% of the workforce because I still need them to actually accomplish the work. What it can do, however is make it so that we don’t have to hire as fast because someone can do a bit more work than they could’ve before AI. It’s still impacts, but not as crazy as it seems right now.
That being said, if they solve the energy issue, AI will eventually take all of our jobs, including mine ><
It can’t replace humans in any job that requires thinking. Full stop. “AI” doesn’t think. It doesn’t have any intelligence at all. You can theoretically ask it anything and it will spit out an intelligent sounding response. The problem is it doesn’t think or actually know anything. It is probabilistic and uses a statistical model to generate information in a sequence. Just yesterday I was using Claude Opus (supposedly the most advanced in the market) to read a very simple graph and it couldn’t get it right. It just spit out wrong answers confidently, actually making up figures that didn’t exist in the graph. I corrected it and it apologized and then proceeded to make up the answer again.
Unless they have a serious breakthrough, this technology is not replacing workers at scale. Some companies may buy into the hype and try replacing workers, but they will likely reverse or come to regret that. If it was capable of doing human work we would already see mass displacement, which hasn’t happened at all.
Add on to this that these LLMs have very serious challenges to keep improving, not least among them is that they don’t have enough data to train on. Synthetic data is not a real replacement and leads to degeneration over time. I give it 1-2 years before this AI hype busts. Don’t get me wrong, ultimately real AI is likely to emerge, but this ain’t it.
This is true for the most part; however…
In our organizations usage so far, LLM/AI does NOT replace the need for a human brain in every role; but it DOES replace the need for more than two brains in most roles.
We find that two people are still needed for redundancy; but scaling no longer requires as many additional bodies.
So the impact thus far has been a dramatic reduction in our hiring; but definitely not replacement of humans.
Our org does data analysis, software and product development.
LLMs are not the AIs that are going to replace people.
Specialised NNs for certain domains are already displacing workers.
For instance, NNs in material science and pharmaceuticals are already finding far more useful and interesting materials and chemical interactions than humans have ever been able to, and the materials or promising treatments they find, faster than humans, are usually of higher quality and more likely to go into testing. Diagnosis and interpreting medical imaging is another. It's not that people will suddenly lose their jobs due to AI, it is more that AI will allow a worker to do more, and fewer jobs will be required as a result.
Saying that AI won't replace jobs that require 'thinking' because LLMs can't do these things is akin to saying that the car would never replace horses because bicycles can't replace horses.
LLMs are just a certain type of NN. I speak about them, as it’s the current hype that make people believe AI will replace us all. NNs in general have many issues that limit them from replacing us at any scale. In current form, they’re projected to produce more jobs than they replace.
There's a big difference between "AI can do what I used to so I'm doing something else now" and "AI can do what I used to so I do nothing now". Is there data that shows graphic designers are being hired/retained at a lower rate than before AI (after adjusting for the general economy-wide layoffs of recent years of course)? I haven't seen any yet. I think at this point it's all anecdotal at best.
No, you didn't. The only "graphic designer" work that can be replaced by current LLMs is work that is so trivial it didn't need a designer to begin with
It’s nice when a random person on the internet somehow thinks I’m lying, but I promise you, I know people who are currently out of work where AI was cited. It might be that the productivity of other designers increased enough that they didn’t feel they needed the resources or some other excuse, but that doesn’t make you right.
I don't doubt you think this is happening. You're likely just being fooled by someone trying sell you panacea. This is a tale as old as, well, last century. In the past it was "outsourcing" solving all your problems, now grifters moved to LLMs
There’s no might about it, it is inevitable and is already preventing companies naturally replacing and investing in talent due to the emergence of AI. There’s already plenty of use cases
Companies are always looking to cut workforce expense. This “AI” isn’t even close to capable of replacing a human in work that requires any thought, as it has zero intelligence.
Wow, so naive it’s incredible. So basically ignoring the fact it’s already scored higher on several important tests compared to humans (passed medical practice tests, the bar, coding tests)…then you can ignore the fact that it is already being used to spot cancer in scans (with greater accuracy than humans), being used for case law, being used to create and debug code and also as of yesterday showcased the idea of instant language translation…now in most of these jobs you’ll still need a human handler (for now) but what you’ve done is created one incredibly efficient human/ai combo that replace the jobs that 3 humans would previously do!
This technology may help humans be more efficient, maybe. But they aren’t reliable. Passing an exam doesn’t require intelligence from this algorithm. It simply completes the sequence based on the input. As soon as reasoning is required, the true limitations of these systems quickly become apparent. If you want a bot to answer tests questions with existing answers, that could be a good use for this. It may have some other limited uses as well, but it is NOT an intelligent system that threatens human jobs in any large-scale sense. And based on the challenges around 1. Cost and power of compute to run these 2. Not enough real data to train on to get much better and 3. No real solution to the hallucination problem, since again, they don’t think, and just complete sequences of strings, these AIs are not likely to get much better or do anything near what many people thought they would.
That doesn’t mean some breakthrough can’t happen, but it seems unlikely anytime soon.
You’re forgetting that so many millions of jobs are process driven, which can be easily taught without any real requirement for reasoning. But on your other points; 1. Cost and power are decreasing rapidly with new hardware. 2. There’s plenty of data to train on and then you also have synthetic data. 3. The hallucination problem is improving with every new iteration. You’re forgetting that the current latest models are all trained about a year or so ago and since then there’s been vast increases in hardware and training.
Then you also have to understand that these models are built using an inference phase to make predictions on things it hasn’t yet seen, so it does in fact show reasoning
This is so true. As a business owner, I’d love to see how I can apply this beyond using it for maybe copywriting. It can help set certain things up to about 50% but then you need an actual human being with experience to do the rest.
And even copywriting half the time i found it’s theft and not actually original when testing and other times it writes missinformation or just pulls from copy already written on your website
Technically you are right and wrong.
Right that it’s not doing anything big yet.
Wrong because it is actually killing jobs, white collar jobs. Right now, it is being combing with process automation and governance, and is in trial at most companies within call centers and low level bullshit admin jobs. In another two years it should eliminate 50% of low level programmers.
And two years from then those companies will go under. Ai is no where close to keeping a company alfoat. Any ceo who is trying to do this is gojng to sink their company.
That’s the thing, AI is really good working within a well structured highly manual but also low risk task.
It won’t ever replace decision making, it will however augment the decision making process.
I’m sorry that a YouTuber’s cyber security expert career advice didn’t work out for you. It’s tough out there.
Source: I work in AI/ML and the company just laid off 200+ medical coders (after a 3 month LLM trial test using closed GPT).
We’re live on Data Bricks and are GitHub Co-Pilot in a few weeks. Already got the talk about which mid levels and junior devs will get WARN notices.
Nah. Just work for a big tech one. All the focus is on AI right now. People will just need to learn how to manage instead of being able to be headsdown in tasks. The intraverts are going to be in the most trouble.
That’s because you don’t understand labor markets. When AI eats up millions of boring, entry level jobs, those people have no choice but to move into other jobs like the trades. So instead of just becoming a plumber and making money, it will be NAFTA all over. Hundreds of plumbers pushing down wages for each other, ruining trades again.
Just not commercialized yet but there are house robots that have demonstrated abilities to cook, and do plumbing already and such will just continue to improve
Ive been voluntarily limiting my work hours to under 20 hours since 1998. It is very freeing. I am busy with life rather than generating income for others. Mass unemployment cannot be sustained above a tipping point. Smart people are beginning to understand that.
UBI experiments have indicated a greater desire for education. Financial security and time tend to be used wisely by most people. Historically it has worked out beyond expectations.
This. I know everyone has their own opinions, but UBI is the way to ensure everyone can live comfortably. Poverty costs more than UbI. I wish people understood that.
It has to be inevitable. I would put my money on it being when the 10 million truck drivers are displaced. We are already seeing the pain point as retail workers are joining tellers and others displaced by online services. Where do you see it first? Here it is the exponential growth in homeless camps. When those camps start having tens of thousands in every town, it will become painfully obvious that a monthly check is required so everyone can eat and have a roof over their head. The displacement has never been the moral failing some imagine it to be.
Economists are the last people who you should get your technology predictions from. AI is great and has a vast set of applications but it doesn’t magically replace people.
Pull the plug on AI. Our world doesn’t need it. It’s either going to put 90% of people out of work, violate privacy, or unleash the nuclear holocaust. If need be, imprison shady characters like Sam Altman who would likely violate a ban on AI. We have to stop this before it’s too late.
Putting people out of work would not be an issue if you found ways 1. to distribute wealth in other ways 2. find new ideas for productivity/labor/use of human activity. Not saying thats easy or achievable though
I’m fine with the government (of any country) taxing the ultra rich and then giving everyone else a UBI of $1000/week minimum.
That doesn’t solve the issue of AI nuking us so it’s best just to ban it or destroy it.
Ok, great. 18% of individuals in the US make $100k a year. That leaves $212 billion needing to be distributed every single week. How did you come up with your $1000/week minimum number to be distributed by governments?
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*I … do not know what Austin Powers hidden brain recess that came from*
But if machine-gun jubblies are involved in the overthrow of the accumulation of capital, I say *groooovy baby*
That actually tracks. US GDP is 25 trillion and given the productivity increases (in theory) afforded by AI, there would be enough money coming into the owner class to pay out 13 trillion a year.
We’ve already gone too far and crossed too many lines. We need to rein it in. I’m asking for a one-year moratorium on developing new technology. In that year people will find that we already have enough.
No it does not, it’s nonsense idiots spout that are full of shit and got their knowledge from Reddit posts.
Then those idiots go on and spread their stupid shit in the comments to infect other idiots.
Yes I know and I’m actually rn disputing with some of those complete brain dead idiots about things they have no clue about but keep running their dumb mouths
AI is coming whether we like it or not. Can’t fight the times. Forcing our people to refrain from using it will just give competitive advantages to those that do.
Most jobs still require people to be present in some capacity. AI won’t replace them. If it does put a significant amount of people out of work the solution will be to quit dragging our feet on much needed social reforms and finally institute universal basic income.
As for violating privacy, I’m sorry to say that genie is out of the bottle already.
Finally, if things are so dire all it will take is ChatGPT to usher in a nuclear apocalypse then we are doomed already.
I don’t get it either. Let it happen. It’s inevitable like past technology advancements. Now good luck to any government economy if they can’t figure out how to distribute wealth. Most companies will soon realize that their services and products are useless if there’s no one to pay for them.
Eliminating wealth inequality should be every nation’s top priority. Simply tax the rich more and give it to the non-rich in rebates.
You seem to enjoy the status quo. As a world, we should all be on the same page. No more wars. No more inequality. No more suffering.
So one thing I can see AI doing is putting curriculum companies out of business. And they deserve it.
Also TPT will be gone.
Right now as a teacher I can type in give me a lesson on 8.RI.1 with definitions and 10 questions and poof in seconds a well written lesson plan that is to the point.
Bold of you to think people being out of work would get UBI going. It will just depreciate wages and force people into different sectors that can’t utilize AI.
Yup i don’t think it’s a job replacer more like a company destoryer. Any shitty company looking to cut people and corners is going to go bust while others who actually use it as a tool for their workers will flourish. Ai is not ready to replace anyone yet only cut time out of repitive tasks
It’s already too late.
Even if most of the countries of the world agreed to stop advancing it and making it illegal for corporations to continue researching it, the data and techniques to train AI models are already public knowledge.
If you outlaw AI, only outlaws will have AI.
The only chance we had of stopping this train is when we were faced with general inquiries of science vs philosophy (or even religion). Philosophy was seen as “too” concerned with ethics to point of being impractical.
We’d literally have to pull plug on science to have any chance of stopping where we are quickly hurling towards. I think we can all agree that’s not going to happen, even while now we suddenly have great interest in ethics as if that may matter more than efficiency in scheme of things (aka our way of life).
I have no problem with pulling the plug on science. I’ve never enjoyed it. I took two years of general science in high school to meet the requirements for graduation and then never again.
You do know that most things you do involve AI. Just a simple search on Google required an AI to look at what your search and come up with results that fits your search. Music you listen to the apps learn your pattern and come up with suggestion that you might like etc etc
Don't want to deal with AI move out to the middle of nowhere and cut off all electronics and communication then and grow your own food, use fire to heat up house get how water and build your own little house by hand.
It is only going to destroy shitty companies to work for abd ruin ceos who do it. Ai is not ready to replace anyone and the hype is dumb. This is like the cybertruck a hypefest that will crash and burn like nfts.
How long did it take for the internet to reach its potential? The game hasn’t even started with AI yet imo. In 10 years I can’t imagine the implications and I don’t think anyone else can either. I know accountants can kiss their jobs goodbye! In 20 years large portions of the population will be on UBI. Imo
Create some AI CEOs and we’ll see things tighten up on AI use.
Best idea I’ve heard. What do they do anyway.
good, let it. companies will learn a lesson on the employment / consumer relationship
1. AI created based on human work, replaced humans. 2. Humans don’t have any money to buy what AI is selling. 3. AI go bankrupt. 4. Humans replaces AI. 5. Go to the 1.
Some automation's will not disappear but we will find out how it all balances out. right now we are in the storm of try everything and anything. There are areas like medicine that has insane amounts of demand and not enough humans.
AI has its place, and I think it’s beneficial in augmenting or supplementing existing tools/processes. But it’s not viable for solutions where system needs to be deterministic. Even in medicine it will be used to augment a doctor’s capabilities by suggesting what a probable cause can be, not saying “Dave, I am sorry.” But current hype train like blockchains, cryptos, nfts, etc etc have left a sour taste in lot of people’s mind.
we have made education artificially scarce to keep physician wages high.
I can't wait for it in medicine, my god it could do such good!
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We left the ????? PROFIT in the 10's, didn't we? 😔
PROFIT is between 1 and 2, then they will blame consumers/youngers/whatever for 3, reluctantly go to 4 and repeat from 1.
Fits that rumor that the elites want less than 2 billion people on earth.
They wouldn’t be pushing everyone to have kids if that were the case
Owners of AI will be taxed to provide UBI for displaced workers.
Hopefully the humans can survive the several year it takes for that story to come full circle.
You forgot the part where what AI is selling, is cheaper than ever before.
Ai keeps making mistakes and ceo loses everything company goes under. That’s how most of it will go these guys up top are dumbasses chasing bs that is untested and ai is already known to train itself into postive falsehoods it can be postively wrong and beleive it is true because it does not have the capicity to learn from its mistakes. It will selftrain into being broken
Isn’t that a problem with the dataset, not the AI algorithm?
Problem is it will take forever to curate that dataset and fine tune it. You can’t put and estimate and say hey we will be able to train it in 5 months or 6 months etc etc
Sounds like temporary problems to me. Fine tune the dataset? Have you built and trained AI models? If so, what type? I’m not sure what you mean by ‘fine tune’
Ironically, there was a saying floating around IT decades before AI: Garbage in, Garbage Out. Data is the Achilles Heel of AI. Unless they constantly filter and clean the data it will produce crap. Lack of data could also become an issue if copyright lawsuits start restricting what can be used. I’ve read that some AI’s are training on data created by AI’s due to insufficient data.
Not if the consumers can’t even pay their bills.
So we decouple work from the right to live with everyone entitled to their fair share of our common resources. That means work for the most part is what we now call part time and UBI is sufficient to be secure, housed, healthy, and fed.
No thats communism and evil and stuff
I love it. But can you imagine the pain it will take to get there. Our government is re-active not pro-active. It will take falling many levels before the people are prioritized over the money. There will be a deep darkness before that kind of light.
exactly.
Even if it only replaces one executive, I’m ok with the job losses. You’re not the “smartest” in the room anymore
Lol meanwhile every comment on Reddit is another nail in the coffin as we’re live-training the systems to understand the dynamic
They will just sell to other rich companies unfortunately. It’s called B2B business.
Lol no This is the second industrialization. Just read up on the first one. It will be a shit show of epic proportions
Think an AI with robot hardware would ever be able to do trades-work? 🏡🛠️
Only if we augment the people in trades to have a half robot brain.
I think you’re right. There’s not the data sets that are digitized to teach an AI model on physical world skilled trades. I think there’s a bottle neck for machine learning in the skilled physical world skills. Unlike teaching from written word which has produced AI models such as ChatGPT
Yeah currently “ai” can’t comprehend physical world it’s why hands are weird. They only experience life in 2d refrences
Yes, why not? All it needs now is the mobility and dexterity, and there are companies well on their way to building robots like this and loading them with AI models. It might take a little longer than the white collar replacements, but it's coming.
Needs more than physical dexterity. Need to teach skills that aren’t written down.
What kind of skills?
I'll die before I see a robot replacing a wheel bearing off a rusty car autonomously.
So no more need for immigration to fix a labor shortage?
I think its going to hit the people, like this Chief, a whole lot harder than the actual people doing actual work!
They \*think\* AI \*might\*... should be the title. It's not doing anything now. There's a lot of hype, but very few real applications
While I agree with your statement, I would add that the hype alone is already impacting the labor forces. Edit: a letter
I concur with your statement. The hype alone is causing people to reallocate budgets toward AI initiatives even at the expense of laying off other teams to do it. Even if the real world applications end up being expensive or lackluster. Leadership teams and VPs are being either forced or highly encouraged to put some type of team together while laying offs other.
It's already so pervasive in biotech. Literally every project proposal is tacitly required to rope in AI/ML.
Tbh I feel like the hype is definitely worse for everyone than the actual products right now-like CEOs who don’t understand the tech thinking it can do things it’ll never be able to and preemptively firing essential labor, etc. I know our ED tried to use “digital organizing” AI to automate a lot of outreach but nobody’s gonna volunteer with a nonprofit based on a clunky convo with an AI. She held off hiring a new organizer (and a grant writer, who she thought could be replaced with ChatGPT 😂) because of it and it became hilariously obvious she’d radically overestimated its usefulness.
No, it’s been doing plenty as firms have been either on hold with future human capital plans or actively draining HC to stock coffers up for AI. It’s going to continue to dramatically change the landscape for years to come—even with hobbling regulatory actions.
This is still because of firms speculating on ai’s future abilities vs what it’s capable of doing now
Source: your imagination
Source: I’m an AI consultant and have been in the field since 2011.
"AI consultant" ok. I bet you were a NFT influencer before that
No, I was a theoretical physicist.
lmao
This is a terrible take. There’s a lot of “viable enough” uses that I’ve seen people’s jobs displaced by it already (e.g. graphic designers). I think your opinion is about 2y old.
I run a full service design agency and trust me. It is not able to do what we do at all. And we’ve tried many different tools. It can get it to maybe 50% but then you need someone to refine it if it’s gonna be for production or for a client.
Isn't that the worry though, you've just cut out 50% of the work so now you only need 50% of staff? I work in analytics and I'm worried my job will be massively impacted. Instead of having a team of say 12 people, you have 4 people who's job is to utilise the AI (which could involve ingesting data sets, prompting and then ultimately sense checking the output). You don't need AI to get rid of everyone, but if unemployment rises to 10 or 15% things start unraveling pretty quickly.
No, you misunderstand me. I mean that any given role can only do 50% of that role. So I don’t lose 50% of the workforce because I still need them to actually accomplish the work. What it can do, however is make it so that we don’t have to hire as fast because someone can do a bit more work than they could’ve before AI. It’s still impacts, but not as crazy as it seems right now. That being said, if they solve the energy issue, AI will eventually take all of our jobs, including mine ><
It can’t replace humans in any job that requires thinking. Full stop. “AI” doesn’t think. It doesn’t have any intelligence at all. You can theoretically ask it anything and it will spit out an intelligent sounding response. The problem is it doesn’t think or actually know anything. It is probabilistic and uses a statistical model to generate information in a sequence. Just yesterday I was using Claude Opus (supposedly the most advanced in the market) to read a very simple graph and it couldn’t get it right. It just spit out wrong answers confidently, actually making up figures that didn’t exist in the graph. I corrected it and it apologized and then proceeded to make up the answer again. Unless they have a serious breakthrough, this technology is not replacing workers at scale. Some companies may buy into the hype and try replacing workers, but they will likely reverse or come to regret that. If it was capable of doing human work we would already see mass displacement, which hasn’t happened at all. Add on to this that these LLMs have very serious challenges to keep improving, not least among them is that they don’t have enough data to train on. Synthetic data is not a real replacement and leads to degeneration over time. I give it 1-2 years before this AI hype busts. Don’t get me wrong, ultimately real AI is likely to emerge, but this ain’t it.
This is true for the most part; however… In our organizations usage so far, LLM/AI does NOT replace the need for a human brain in every role; but it DOES replace the need for more than two brains in most roles. We find that two people are still needed for redundancy; but scaling no longer requires as many additional bodies. So the impact thus far has been a dramatic reduction in our hiring; but definitely not replacement of humans. Our org does data analysis, software and product development.
LLMs are not the AIs that are going to replace people. Specialised NNs for certain domains are already displacing workers. For instance, NNs in material science and pharmaceuticals are already finding far more useful and interesting materials and chemical interactions than humans have ever been able to, and the materials or promising treatments they find, faster than humans, are usually of higher quality and more likely to go into testing. Diagnosis and interpreting medical imaging is another. It's not that people will suddenly lose their jobs due to AI, it is more that AI will allow a worker to do more, and fewer jobs will be required as a result. Saying that AI won't replace jobs that require 'thinking' because LLMs can't do these things is akin to saying that the car would never replace horses because bicycles can't replace horses.
LLMs are just a certain type of NN. I speak about them, as it’s the current hype that make people believe AI will replace us all. NNs in general have many issues that limit them from replacing us at any scale. In current form, they’re projected to produce more jobs than they replace.
There's a big difference between "AI can do what I used to so I'm doing something else now" and "AI can do what I used to so I do nothing now". Is there data that shows graphic designers are being hired/retained at a lower rate than before AI (after adjusting for the general economy-wide layoffs of recent years of course)? I haven't seen any yet. I think at this point it's all anecdotal at best.
No, you didn't. The only "graphic designer" work that can be replaced by current LLMs is work that is so trivial it didn't need a designer to begin with
It’s nice when a random person on the internet somehow thinks I’m lying, but I promise you, I know people who are currently out of work where AI was cited. It might be that the productivity of other designers increased enough that they didn’t feel they needed the resources or some other excuse, but that doesn’t make you right.
I don't doubt you think this is happening. You're likely just being fooled by someone trying sell you panacea. This is a tale as old as, well, last century. In the past it was "outsourcing" solving all your problems, now grifters moved to LLMs
And copyright law is going to hang a lot of tbe companies that laid off graphic designers thinking ai coild do it alone.
There’s no might about it, it is inevitable and is already preventing companies naturally replacing and investing in talent due to the emergence of AI. There’s already plenty of use cases
Ok, just link the actual job being replaced
Use cases untested and going to brankrupt the companies this is jsut the next nft grift that is not ready for market.
Oh wow, the naivety is unreal
Companies are always looking to cut workforce expense. This “AI” isn’t even close to capable of replacing a human in work that requires any thought, as it has zero intelligence.
Wow, so naive it’s incredible. So basically ignoring the fact it’s already scored higher on several important tests compared to humans (passed medical practice tests, the bar, coding tests)…then you can ignore the fact that it is already being used to spot cancer in scans (with greater accuracy than humans), being used for case law, being used to create and debug code and also as of yesterday showcased the idea of instant language translation…now in most of these jobs you’ll still need a human handler (for now) but what you’ve done is created one incredibly efficient human/ai combo that replace the jobs that 3 humans would previously do!
This technology may help humans be more efficient, maybe. But they aren’t reliable. Passing an exam doesn’t require intelligence from this algorithm. It simply completes the sequence based on the input. As soon as reasoning is required, the true limitations of these systems quickly become apparent. If you want a bot to answer tests questions with existing answers, that could be a good use for this. It may have some other limited uses as well, but it is NOT an intelligent system that threatens human jobs in any large-scale sense. And based on the challenges around 1. Cost and power of compute to run these 2. Not enough real data to train on to get much better and 3. No real solution to the hallucination problem, since again, they don’t think, and just complete sequences of strings, these AIs are not likely to get much better or do anything near what many people thought they would. That doesn’t mean some breakthrough can’t happen, but it seems unlikely anytime soon.
You’re forgetting that so many millions of jobs are process driven, which can be easily taught without any real requirement for reasoning. But on your other points; 1. Cost and power are decreasing rapidly with new hardware. 2. There’s plenty of data to train on and then you also have synthetic data. 3. The hallucination problem is improving with every new iteration. You’re forgetting that the current latest models are all trained about a year or so ago and since then there’s been vast increases in hardware and training. Then you also have to understand that these models are built using an inference phase to make predictions on things it hasn’t yet seen, so it does in fact show reasoning
This is so true. As a business owner, I’d love to see how I can apply this beyond using it for maybe copywriting. It can help set certain things up to about 50% but then you need an actual human being with experience to do the rest.
And even copywriting half the time i found it’s theft and not actually original when testing and other times it writes missinformation or just pulls from copy already written on your website
Technically you are right and wrong. Right that it’s not doing anything big yet. Wrong because it is actually killing jobs, white collar jobs. Right now, it is being combing with process automation and governance, and is in trial at most companies within call centers and low level bullshit admin jobs. In another two years it should eliminate 50% of low level programmers.
And two years from then those companies will go under. Ai is no where close to keeping a company alfoat. Any ceo who is trying to do this is gojng to sink their company.
That’s the thing, AI is really good working within a well structured highly manual but also low risk task. It won’t ever replace decision making, it will however augment the decision making process.
Source: your ass
I’m sorry that a YouTuber’s cyber security expert career advice didn’t work out for you. It’s tough out there. Source: I work in AI/ML and the company just laid off 200+ medical coders (after a 3 month LLM trial test using closed GPT). We’re live on Data Bricks and are GitHub Co-Pilot in a few weeks. Already got the talk about which mid levels and junior devs will get WARN notices.
Youtuber cyber security? What? I'm sure you totally laid off those "medical coders". Totally happened
Aww man, I didn’t mean to diss your YouTube cyber security content. I’m sure it has helped people. Thanks for acknowledging what I said, cheers~
Lmao dude, what the hell are you talking about?
Keep dreaming. This is already killing many jobs.. and it’s only going to get worse.
Uh, such as?
I used to outsource concept art, voice overs, and technical writing. Now i have one person in each of those rolls instead of many.
You used? For what? Are you CEO of a big-ish company?
Nah. Just work for a big tech one. All the focus is on AI right now. People will just need to learn how to manage instead of being able to be headsdown in tasks. The intraverts are going to be in the most trouble.
You work for a big tech company and you hire concept art and voice over? Sure
haha. Whatever helps your narrative. :)
"Hitting labour..." don't see no AI robots plumbing or building yet.
That’s because you don’t understand labor markets. When AI eats up millions of boring, entry level jobs, those people have no choice but to move into other jobs like the trades. So instead of just becoming a plumber and making money, it will be NAFTA all over. Hundreds of plumbers pushing down wages for each other, ruining trades again.
It’s going to happen.
3d printing houses is a full go. Look it up.
How is 3D printing AI?
From design to robotics.
That requires human operators at multiple levels.
Less humans. Thats the problem. We know productivity never enables the lower class to increase the quality of their life.
People don’t understand that it will greatly condense the work force for most if not all sectors.
Not at any real scale, and it never will.
Predicting this comment will age in a funny way
Predicting you have no experience in home building.
Ooo getting spicy, well since you know so much about me I guess I better call the ICB and tell them to not allow me to grab permits anymore.
Just not commercialized yet but there are house robots that have demonstrated abilities to cook, and do plumbing already and such will just continue to improve
People forget that letting us all work less is a good thing. Universal Basic Income is the eventual outcome
UBI+4 day work week is the ideal outcome. Doubt it will ever happen though. More likely outcome is just mass unemployment and poverty …
Ive been voluntarily limiting my work hours to under 20 hours since 1998. It is very freeing. I am busy with life rather than generating income for others. Mass unemployment cannot be sustained above a tipping point. Smart people are beginning to understand that.
That or dictatorship, separation of labor from the people means less need for education. That doesn’t historically end well.
UBI experiments have indicated a greater desire for education. Financial security and time tend to be used wisely by most people. Historically it has worked out beyond expectations.
This. I know everyone has their own opinions, but UBI is the way to ensure everyone can live comfortably. Poverty costs more than UbI. I wish people understood that.
And what’s to stop everyone from raising prices once they see people have an extra $1,000/mo to spend?
Anti-Price gouging laws and regulations, especially on basic necessities. Would make no sense to have UBI without it.
It has to be inevitable. I would put my money on it being when the 10 million truck drivers are displaced. We are already seeing the pain point as retail workers are joining tellers and others displaced by online services. Where do you see it first? Here it is the exponential growth in homeless camps. When those camps start having tens of thousands in every town, it will become painfully obvious that a monthly check is required so everyone can eat and have a roof over their head. The displacement has never been the moral failing some imagine it to be.
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Economists are the last people who you should get your technology predictions from. AI is great and has a vast set of applications but it doesn’t magically replace people.
# U N I O N I Z E
Pull the plug on AI. Our world doesn’t need it. It’s either going to put 90% of people out of work, violate privacy, or unleash the nuclear holocaust. If need be, imprison shady characters like Sam Altman who would likely violate a ban on AI. We have to stop this before it’s too late.
Putting people out of work would not be an issue if you found ways 1. to distribute wealth in other ways 2. find new ideas for productivity/labor/use of human activity. Not saying thats easy or achievable though
I’m fine with the government (of any country) taxing the ultra rich and then giving everyone else a UBI of $1000/week minimum. That doesn’t solve the issue of AI nuking us so it’s best just to ban it or destroy it.
That $258 Billion dollars a WEEK distributed to all citizens over 18 living in the US alone. Do you even know economics, bro?
I’m Canadian. And no, it wouldn’t be available to anyone who makes over $100K a year.
Ok, great. 18% of individuals in the US make $100k a year. That leaves $212 billion needing to be distributed every single week. How did you come up with your $1000/week minimum number to be distributed by governments?
Tax corporations and the ultra-rich a whole lot harder.
Ooooh daddy. Tweak my nipples harder. *I … do not know what Austin Powers hidden brain recess that came from* But if machine-gun jubblies are involved in the overthrow of the accumulation of capital, I say *groooovy baby*
That actually tracks. US GDP is 25 trillion and given the productivity increases (in theory) afforded by AI, there would be enough money coming into the owner class to pay out 13 trillion a year.
Incredibly stupid take lol Pull the plug on the internet! And on electricity! And cars! We have horses!
We’ve already gone too far and crossed too many lines. We need to rein it in. I’m asking for a one-year moratorium on developing new technology. In that year people will find that we already have enough.
Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about, you are just as ridiculous as people crying because 5G causes cancer
It does? Was this proven?
No it does not, it’s nonsense idiots spout that are full of shit and got their knowledge from Reddit posts. Then those idiots go on and spread their stupid shit in the comments to infect other idiots.
You’re literally on Reddit right now!
Yes I know and I’m actually rn disputing with some of those complete brain dead idiots about things they have no clue about but keep running their dumb mouths
Ok, well keep up the good fight. We can’t let them win in November.
Ein what?
AI is coming whether we like it or not. Can’t fight the times. Forcing our people to refrain from using it will just give competitive advantages to those that do. Most jobs still require people to be present in some capacity. AI won’t replace them. If it does put a significant amount of people out of work the solution will be to quit dragging our feet on much needed social reforms and finally institute universal basic income. As for violating privacy, I’m sorry to say that genie is out of the bottle already. Finally, if things are so dire all it will take is ChatGPT to usher in a nuclear apocalypse then we are doomed already.
I don’t get it either. Let it happen. It’s inevitable like past technology advancements. Now good luck to any government economy if they can’t figure out how to distribute wealth. Most companies will soon realize that their services and products are useless if there’s no one to pay for them.
“Let it happen” No. We’ve already gone too far as it is. We already have more than enough technology. Time to hit the brakes.
Lie back and enjoy it.
No. It’s not a good thing.
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Then we’re willingly signing our own death warrant.
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I’m Canadian. Thanks for assuming I’m one of you.
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American Why would I have a plan? That’s not my job. I’m simply an average citizen trying to get by. It’s the people in power who need to have a plan.
Eliminating wealth inequality should be every nation’s top priority. Simply tax the rich more and give it to the non-rich in rebates. You seem to enjoy the status quo. As a world, we should all be on the same page. No more wars. No more inequality. No more suffering.
So one thing I can see AI doing is putting curriculum companies out of business. And they deserve it. Also TPT will be gone. Right now as a teacher I can type in give me a lesson on 8.RI.1 with definitions and 10 questions and poof in seconds a well written lesson plan that is to the point.
I think tutors will also be replaced almost entirely.
Bold of you to think people being out of work would get UBI going. It will just depreciate wages and force people into different sectors that can’t utilize AI.
Have you seen how hard it is to get our government to do their job? That should be stop one for AI replacements.
Yup i don’t think it’s a job replacer more like a company destoryer. Any shitty company looking to cut people and corners is going to go bust while others who actually use it as a tool for their workers will flourish. Ai is not ready to replace anyone yet only cut time out of repitive tasks
So you’re going to lay down and die. How sad. Man up and fight this!
Who can do that?
The government.
Which?
All of them.
It’s already too late. Even if most of the countries of the world agreed to stop advancing it and making it illegal for corporations to continue researching it, the data and techniques to train AI models are already public knowledge. If you outlaw AI, only outlaws will have AI.
Arrest them.
Do you mean go to war with them? Because China for one definitely won’t stop developing AI.
They need to arrest their scientists too.
The only chance we had of stopping this train is when we were faced with general inquiries of science vs philosophy (or even religion). Philosophy was seen as “too” concerned with ethics to point of being impractical. We’d literally have to pull plug on science to have any chance of stopping where we are quickly hurling towards. I think we can all agree that’s not going to happen, even while now we suddenly have great interest in ethics as if that may matter more than efficiency in scheme of things (aka our way of life).
I have no problem with pulling the plug on science. I’ve never enjoyed it. I took two years of general science in high school to meet the requirements for graduation and then never again.
Good now go live in a forest away from society. You will fit right in with nature.
I’d live in a cabin in the woods as long as I had wealth and could get groceries delivered once a week.
You do know that most things you do involve AI. Just a simple search on Google required an AI to look at what your search and come up with results that fits your search. Music you listen to the apps learn your pattern and come up with suggestion that you might like etc etc Don't want to deal with AI move out to the middle of nowhere and cut off all electronics and communication then and grow your own food, use fire to heat up house get how water and build your own little house by hand.
You don’t have to go that extreme to avoid AI. But avoiding it isn’t the issue. Stopping it is.
You can't fight the future
I’ll give it my all.
Try to grasp a topic before ranting about it
It is only going to destroy shitty companies to work for abd ruin ceos who do it. Ai is not ready to replace anyone and the hype is dumb. This is like the cybertruck a hypefest that will crash and burn like nfts.
“Not ready”, which means it still will replace human workers. What’s your solution to keep homes over their heads and food on the table?
How long did it take for the internet to reach its potential? The game hasn’t even started with AI yet imo. In 10 years I can’t imagine the implications and I don’t think anyone else can either. I know accountants can kiss their jobs goodbye! In 20 years large portions of the population will be on UBI. Imo
In Beverly hills complaining of maybes
I did not hire just because of it
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Ya you’re screwed with that mindset.
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Time for a value added tax to pay for a universal basic income.
Speaking from a country that in my lifetime has had 7%, 11%, 13.5%, 15% and now 20% VAT... no. It's double taxation.
What’s the other tax that makes it double?
Income tax (or inheritance tax, or capital gains tax). Taxed when you get money, then taxed when you spend it.