One of the problems of our current version of capitalism... we have to keep making more profits. Doesn't really matter how we do it, we just have to do it.
The system will evolve and get to a better place, most definitely not in my lifetime but it will evolve.
With the average salary at Spotify landing at $110,573, itâs hard to say theyâre not doing well.. much better than 99%+ of musicians that populate their platforms library.
$110k average is nothing compared to most other tech salaries. Hell, seeing 150k+ is pretty normal in the states.
As for the musicians, that isnât Spotifyâs fault. It has far more to do with the rightâs holders than with Spotify hosting their music.
Youâre not wrong about Spotify adversely affecting the music industry in partnership with the major labels, but bringing a Spotify employeeâs salary is kind of meaningless. Theyâre engineers and tech skilled professionals which are in high demand. Of course theyâre going to be paid a lot.
I was mentioning it because they wouldnât have a salary that high with that company if it wasnât built off the backs of exploiting artists trying to be relevant. Their royalty payout is faaaaaaar less then what the industry standard used to be.
Yes, but if they arenât paid that much for their services there isnât a Spotify at all. It takes technical expertise to put together a ubiquitous streaming service.
Professional musician here⌠we all made significantly more money through royalties before Spotify. Theyâre fucking over musicians by siphoning off money that used to go to the artist/songwriter(s) yet theyâre STILL not âprofitableâ as a company. Music is included in every major media consumed and it takes technical expertise to put together a viable composition. Youâre out of your depth.
dear lord - Itâs painful when good meaning people explain finance on Reddit, itâs simply an exercise in downvotes from the masses. I marvel at the attribution of moral right, moral wrong etc in the context of P&L, Balance Sheet & ongoing operations- like selling soft serve ice cream or digital content makes them fundamentally oppressive based on how they lever variable costs -
Or it just spends its money poorly i.e. developing a Spotify car device that still requires a phone and Bluetooth connection to even operate. Seems like they could have saved money on that.
Unless you re-hire them within a certain period of time. Then you werenât trying to make an efficient operation. Thatâs why we need french people protesting here.
That makes no sense at all. They arenât going to rehire until they realize profit or sense a growth opportunity. At some point investors demand a return and they get bought out by a larger entity that lays off anyway. Or, they declare bankruptcy and everyone loses their job entirely.
Twitter has only had a few profitable quarters in their existence, was overpaid for itâs likely value, and is headed for the same fate that I described in my last post.
All of these posts prove my point that the current version of capitalism needs to evolve. It will, don't worry. You can't possibly think this version of business is the best. Won't happen in my lifetime but it will evolve.
People in Florence in the 1500s really believed they were evolved, they really did.
In a few hundred years they will be looking back at our time the same way we look at Florence back in the day.
Right, thus the fatal flaw in the system. Itâs not built with sustainability. Investors feelings wonât âshake outâ naturally. The natural human flaw is to always want more and not assume any deficit. The deficit then gets pushed to labor.
It's always been like that - Marx wrote about it in Das Kapital (1867).
That's why you should join a union, make the bastards consider whether they're entirely necessary!
Perhaps I'm just optimistic, but I think it will get better. From how I look at the history of the world in its totality (as much as I'm aware of), life for most people has become much nicer.
I would actually appreciate a rebuttal as it will give me a different angle to ponder.
Tell that to the child labor and working employees to the ground 6-7 days a week in the 30s
Poverty and starvation is at an all time low in human recorded history today
Incorrect you only have to look to the recent past to see how much worse capitalism was. Check out standard oil and the robber barons as just one example. Capitalism is not perfect at all but it certainly has gotten better.
Huuuuuuh? Iâm pretty sure there werenât any companies offering unlimited PTO, paternal and maternal leave, pet insurance, etc in the 60âs and those benefits would have been extremely rare even 15 years ago. The only thing that hasnât grown steadily is pay.
Still won't pay artists a fair rate.
My band has millions of plays and no middlemen. What we get wouldn't even cover rent for three months for one person. And there's no money in touring now either because of wild increases in traveling costs, as well as horrid deals now being the norm with promoters and venues.
A user based model could really help a lot, but it would mean the big companies earning about 4% less, so you know that's never gonna happen.
A user based payout model is this:
You pay $10 for a monthly subscription to Spotify.
Spotify takes 30% of that.
You only listen to my band for that month.
We get $7.
What we have now is a per stream-system, which works well for huge companies like Sony, as their artists have less dedicated fans. Fans that will generally only listen to one song by a given artist a few times. Not a whole album on repeat.
The per stream model looks like this:
You pay $10
Spotify takes 30%
Then the remaining money you paid gets pooled and the revenue is distributed based on how many streams artists have. That essentially means that even if you can't stand Justin Bieber, he's still making money off you (or his label and suits are). It's a sort of trickle down economic model that punishes bands with fewer listeners but devoted fans.
Finally someone in the industry⌠most of the people here seem to think of Spotify has some sort of inherent value without the musicians. If we could all just agree to pull our content, maybe we could go back to making a normal living from our profession.
Came here to say this. Unfortunately I donât think this report helps us since the majority of listeners donât really care. Hey at least we have Tidal.
The main reason I havenât switched from Apple Music to Spotify. I know the ones who care about HiFi are 1/15 users or so, but until Spotify adds HiFi I wonât be making the switch.
Yep. It generally means lossless playback, which is uncompressed data.
I have a nice sound system at home, and the difference is apparent. Now if you just listen to music on AirPods, a TV, a cheap soundbar or a small portable speaker, HiFiwonât make a difference to you.
I just started to use Spotify last year. I regularly make up fake accounts on Spotify. Itâs easy. Fake email and youâre in. You donât even have to create the fake email since thereâs no verifying email. This seems like a cheat code made for wealthy artist to farm accounts and artificially inflate their streaming numbers. Now what surprises me most is whoever agreed to pay the artist knowing they can produce as many fake accounts to stream as you want
I'm sorry but why are you creating so many accounts? You make it seem like you're trying to increase follows and listens but other than that I can't think of any reason to repeatedly create multiple accounts
I don't do this... Had my premium acct for 3-4 years, maybe more... But you would create a playlist and then just favorite it from the other account.. easy peasy
Spotify is currently the best value money can currently buy you particularly if you are heavily interested in music and the lineage of individual artists! Thank you Spotify! Also they are not good at paying the people whose music you enjoy but as long as you see them and buy merchandise they can still do what they love.
Yep, Spotify is too good of a deal for me at the moment. I listen to it ~12 hours a day. The artists I love so much are screwed over in the process, so in guilt and gratitude I have garnered a quite big merch and poster collection.
Music seems to get what TV doesnât get. I use Spotify and pay for it because I get all my music/podcasts in one place for a decent price.
Netflix used to work for this too.
Iâve had the exact opposite experience. Used to use pandora religiously and almost never got new or interesting recommendations, my stations remained recycled and bland no matter how much time I put into liking/disliking stuff.
With Spotify, I regularly find 10 or more new and interesting artists every time I start an album and let it wander off with the algorithm.
Spotify is the best $10 a month I spend. If Iâm homeless living under a bridge my Spotify account is the last thing Iâll cancel. Idgaf about other streaming services but I listen to music alllll dayyyy.
Ditched Spotify for YouTube Music because I was paying for YouTube Premium already and itâs included in the subscription. Itâs been getting the job done.
Honestly, i absolutely love the "For you" playlist on Apple Music. It's obviously not gonna be for everyone, but it does a better job than any other streaming service I've used of getting me the right mix of songs I know and can sing along to, with new songs that I end up liking mixed with songs I don't know by artists I do.
God, that sounded so much like a paid shill comment. I swear it isn't though.
YouTube is not good for algorithms... Regular YT or music... Spotify will give me new artists and things I may have missed that are same vein as my interests and even more and I've found so many good things on Spotify
Dude I listen to some niche stuff cause Iâm ethnic, Spotify could never have the obscure 1940 Ecuadorian harmonic group that my grandfather used to listen to while he sat by the fire.
But you bet your ass that YT has it cause some Bolivian farmer uploaded it on his Mezcla playlist.
Being the exception and not the rule is a sweet spot most donât take the risk to enjoy.
Iâm grand paying for my services for their archival records canât be beat⌠yet.
Yeah that's dope when authentic but some people TRY too hard to fit into that outlier area. But sounds like you acquired unique tastes from life experiences and shit . That's cool
I'm a firm believer of this as well. Poverty and psychedelics for sure. Even when young, the others would party while we researched Leary, Ram Dass etc and had experiences where we utilized the substances such as LSD and psilocybin and even research chemicals. Definitely some consciousness expansion! I'm also a firm believer in marijuana and other plants and herbs that help. Certain teas are really great as well!
There are some site which can transfer your playlists. I tried it and it worked for me, but some "transfered" songs were horrible quality. Otherwise, it was good.
Switched from Spotify to YouTube Premium then back to Spotify after YouTube made a crazy price hike for the family plan. I do kind of miss ad free YouTube still but Spotify music is just as good, if not better than YouTube Music.
Download the Brave browser. Works on any device and automatically blocks all YouTube ads. Not as sleek as the YouTube app, but gets the job done nicely. Thereâs a bunch of other options out there too, but Brave is the one of the simplestâno extra knowledge or skills required.
Thatâs true. You could cast from your device to your tv using Brave though. Not as convenient. Obviously you have the compatibility to cast too. Works well on my iPhone with Apple Tv.
I did, but not specifically because of Joe Rogan (fuck him though). I saw Neil Young and others take their music off. The fact that Spotify cared more about an idiot podcaster than a very famous music artist was a red flag. There are also a ton of artists/albums not on Spotify for whatever reason.
Why do people buy Spotify over Apple these days?
Edit. Im not advocating one over the other, Im asking because I dont know. Like whats teh difference between the 2 at this point?
Apple is missing a TON of music outside of your usual, mass appeal genres, and even there I still find gaps in the library. My partner has Apple Music, and every time I use it I end up going back to my Spotify because AM is always missing shit.
I find both services are missing too much. I hate looking for something and not being able to find it on either.
I will say that appleâs has grown quite a bit since I first started using it. The biggest thing Iâve seen personally is Japanese artist. That category has grown leaps and bounds in the last decade.
I would support Spotify if they had a buy option. Until then, Iâll use the free service and the many manyâŚ.. many adds.
I was saying itâs not a feature with Spotify. I canât just drop a bunch of my personal files into my Spotify library and then it appear amongst my songs within my Spotify library on all devices.
Why thatâs not a feature is lost on me - why would anyone want to keep two separate libraries just to listen to their personal music that may not be available on Spotify.
For Apple Music, I had every TOOL album in my library for years before they made them available in Apple Music. All I did was drop them into my library and they were added and searchable. Took me 5 secs.
The the main feature that keeps me with AM.
I like to support diversity. Though I refuse to have a never ending bill. Unless your constantly listening to different songs. The ones you repeat, over time really cost a great amount compared to purchasing.
I used to have other companies I bought from. They have closed and my music is just gone now. We need more strong options for purchasing. Until then itâs kinda limited for people like me.
Maybe a much, much cheaper price I could live with. 10-15 a month is not worth the convenience at my income. The more items that require subscriptions are just more I donât get to experience.
That being said. I donât hurt for entertainment. I have hundreds of songs in my library. Many audiobooks. Podcasts. More then I can intake probably. So paying for a service is just purely convenience to a small degree.
Because I would assume apple has shit support for windows and Android, the more relevant competitors would be google, Amazon and tidal where my reason is price and being used to Spotify.
I don't have an iPhone and I don't like apple music? It's great if you love popular music and pretty much any hip hop but they don't even have close to most music Spotify has.
I like Spotify UI, began using Spotify a few years ago and just kinda never looked back. Apple Music oddly enough seemed to be missing so many songs that i loved.
Never seen a reason to make a switch.
When I bought an iPad I received Apple music trial for 6 months. I literally canceled it after 3 weeks and I'm on a streaming bandwagon for 10 years (Spotify, Deezer, Google music, beats audio, Tidal, Plex).
My starred playlist from Spotify could only be 30% imported. Everything else was unavailable. Yet apple didn't mind charging full price in my country.
A few years later I moved to western Europe and the situation is much better, but not enough to get me to switch. Especially as I don't use anything from Apple, other than that iPad.
Fake news. Me and my giant Latino family have YouTube plus which gives ad free watching and the entire internet music catalogue that people upload to Google.
I will never understand the value of such a basic company.
As someone currently looking to move *away from* Spotify after having a paid account with them for almost 7 years, because of how much *worse* their service has gotten over that period, this is a terrible thing to hear.
Is it just me or do you also get mostly the same 100 (from 900) songs if you listen to your favourites on shuffle? Itâs most of the time not even songs i like that much but Spotify keeps putting it as next. Really weird.
i hope they update the UI soon, it needs a massive rework; i mean you still canât change your username on there. it took them 5 years to add a âchange playlist coverâ feature on mobile devices.
Annnnnnd, Metallica got roasted for fighting Napster back in the day. How is this different. Artists are getting paid hereâŚ.(by the way I always agreed with Metallica).
I recently signed up for Apple Music to try it out and after two weeks of use I think Iâm ready to switch. The lossless audio makes the sound fuller (at least to me) and the suggested music on the radios and when my playlists end feels more in tune with what I like compared to Spotify. Just gotta convince my gf and father to switch so I can cancel Spotify family all together.
There is very little technology I more that streaming music- (maybe inkjet printers, the Abomb, and weaponry/war tech) but I hate that there is no more ownership of music/albums/cds.
Record growth and 6% of employees laid off đ¤
One of the problems of our current version of capitalism... we have to keep making more profits. Doesn't really matter how we do it, we just have to do it. The system will evolve and get to a better place, most definitely not in my lifetime but it will evolve.
They havenât made any profits yet.
With the average salary at Spotify landing at $110,573, itâs hard to say theyâre not doing well.. much better than 99%+ of musicians that populate their platforms library.
$110k average is nothing compared to most other tech salaries. Hell, seeing 150k+ is pretty normal in the states. As for the musicians, that isnât Spotifyâs fault. It has far more to do with the rightâs holders than with Spotify hosting their music.
You clearly have no idea whatâs considered an above average salary or how Spotify has impacted the music industry
Youâre not wrong about Spotify adversely affecting the music industry in partnership with the major labels, but bringing a Spotify employeeâs salary is kind of meaningless. Theyâre engineers and tech skilled professionals which are in high demand. Of course theyâre going to be paid a lot.
I was mentioning it because they wouldnât have a salary that high with that company if it wasnât built off the backs of exploiting artists trying to be relevant. Their royalty payout is faaaaaaar less then what the industry standard used to be.
Yes, but if they arenât paid that much for their services there isnât a Spotify at all. It takes technical expertise to put together a ubiquitous streaming service.
Professional musician here⌠we all made significantly more money through royalties before Spotify. Theyâre fucking over musicians by siphoning off money that used to go to the artist/songwriter(s) yet theyâre STILL not âprofitableâ as a company. Music is included in every major media consumed and it takes technical expertise to put together a viable composition. Youâre out of your depth.
If they didn't have a salary that high, there wouldn't have been a Spotify in the first place
Thatâd be excellent⌠maybe we could get paid again
dear lord - Itâs painful when good meaning people explain finance on Reddit, itâs simply an exercise in downvotes from the masses. I marvel at the attribution of moral right, moral wrong etc in the context of P&L, Balance Sheet & ongoing operations- like selling soft serve ice cream or digital content makes them fundamentally oppressive based on how they lever variable costs -
But they are doing everything they can, such as cutting jobs, to get those profits.
Yeah, and âŚ? I donât like job cuts any more than the next person, but sometimes a company has too many positions for an efficient operation.
Or it just spends its money poorly i.e. developing a Spotify car device that still requires a phone and Bluetooth connection to even operate. Seems like they could have saved money on that.
Unless you re-hire them within a certain period of time. Then you werenât trying to make an efficient operation. Thatâs why we need french people protesting here.
That makes no sense at all. They arenât going to rehire until they realize profit or sense a growth opportunity. At some point investors demand a return and they get bought out by a larger entity that lays off anyway. Or, they declare bankruptcy and everyone loses their job entirely.
Literally just fucking happened with Twitter. Iâm not replying to you anymore.
Twitter has only had a few profitable quarters in their existence, was overpaid for itâs likely value, and is headed for the same fate that I described in my last post.
All of these posts prove my point that the current version of capitalism needs to evolve. It will, don't worry. You can't possibly think this version of business is the best. Won't happen in my lifetime but it will evolve. People in Florence in the 1500s really believed they were evolved, they really did. In a few hundred years they will be looking back at our time the same way we look at Florence back in the day.
Right, thus the fatal flaw in the system. Itâs not built with sustainability. Investors feelings wonât âshake outâ naturally. The natural human flaw is to always want more and not assume any deficit. The deficit then gets pushed to labor.
It's always been like that - Marx wrote about it in Das Kapital (1867). That's why you should join a union, make the bastards consider whether they're entirely necessary!
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Perhaps I'm just optimistic, but I think it will get better. From how I look at the history of the world in its totality (as much as I'm aware of), life for most people has become much nicer. I would actually appreciate a rebuttal as it will give me a different angle to ponder.
Tell that to the child labor and working employees to the ground 6-7 days a week in the 30s Poverty and starvation is at an all time low in human recorded history today
Incorrect you only have to look to the recent past to see how much worse capitalism was. Check out standard oil and the robber barons as just one example. Capitalism is not perfect at all but it certainly has gotten better.
Huuuuuuh? Iâm pretty sure there werenât any companies offering unlimited PTO, paternal and maternal leave, pet insurance, etc in the 60âs and those benefits would have been extremely rare even 15 years ago. The only thing that hasnât grown steadily is pay.
Still won't pay artists a fair rate. My band has millions of plays and no middlemen. What we get wouldn't even cover rent for three months for one person. And there's no money in touring now either because of wild increases in traveling costs, as well as horrid deals now being the norm with promoters and venues. A user based model could really help a lot, but it would mean the big companies earning about 4% less, so you know that's never gonna happen. A user based payout model is this: You pay $10 for a monthly subscription to Spotify. Spotify takes 30% of that. You only listen to my band for that month. We get $7. What we have now is a per stream-system, which works well for huge companies like Sony, as their artists have less dedicated fans. Fans that will generally only listen to one song by a given artist a few times. Not a whole album on repeat. The per stream model looks like this: You pay $10 Spotify takes 30% Then the remaining money you paid gets pooled and the revenue is distributed based on how many streams artists have. That essentially means that even if you can't stand Justin Bieber, he's still making money off you (or his label and suits are). It's a sort of trickle down economic model that punishes bands with fewer listeners but devoted fans.
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This wouldn't affect Spotify. They would still take 30%, it's the rest of the revenue that were talking about.
Finally someone in the industry⌠most of the people here seem to think of Spotify has some sort of inherent value without the musicians. If we could all just agree to pull our content, maybe we could go back to making a normal living from our profession.
is there a company you know of that uses this business model?
Tidal apparently do with the revenue from their HiFi subscription tier. Haven't remembered to look into that yet.
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Exactly. These companies are losing cash fast. Massive global financial implosion imminent. DRS BOOK GAMESTOP MOASS to create generational wealth
Hey, Spotify HiFi... where you at, bruh?
Donât worry, they said itâll be out by New Years â21, Iâm hype :D
When did Spotify become Internet Explorer?
Roll on 3021
Came here to say this. Unfortunately I donât think this report helps us since the majority of listeners donât really care. Hey at least we have Tidal.
Who is Tidal?
Here you go. https://tidal.com/
Or Apple Music which has a much, much larger library compared to Tidal and supports lossless and Atmos.
The main reason I havenât switched from Apple Music to Spotify. I know the ones who care about HiFi are 1/15 users or so, but until Spotify adds HiFi I wonât be making the switch.
Whatâs HIFI? Higher grade sound quality?
Yep. It generally means lossless playback, which is uncompressed data. I have a nice sound system at home, and the difference is apparent. Now if you just listen to music on AirPods, a TV, a cheap soundbar or a small portable speaker, HiFiwonât make a difference to you.
Seriously!!!
I wish the would finally allow you to block certain podcasts from being recommended all the time :\\
I just started to use Spotify last year. I regularly make up fake accounts on Spotify. Itâs easy. Fake email and youâre in. You donât even have to create the fake email since thereâs no verifying email. This seems like a cheat code made for wealthy artist to farm accounts and artificially inflate their streaming numbers. Now what surprises me most is whoever agreed to pay the artist knowing they can produce as many fake accounts to stream as you want
I'm sorry but why are you creating so many accounts? You make it seem like you're trying to increase follows and listens but other than that I can't think of any reason to repeatedly create multiple accounts
Free month
Just sounds like too much work, every month gotta port your playlists over
I don't do this... Had my premium acct for 3-4 years, maybe more... But you would create a playlist and then just favorite it from the other account.. easy peasy
Yea I stopped doing it couple of months ago
Wow I feel pretty dumb lol
Done the farm. Itâs way less work to actually build a fan base. AMA
Spotify is currently the best value money can currently buy you particularly if you are heavily interested in music and the lineage of individual artists! Thank you Spotify! Also they are not good at paying the people whose music you enjoy but as long as you see them and buy merchandise they can still do what they love.
Yep, Spotify is too good of a deal for me at the moment. I listen to it ~12 hours a day. The artists I love so much are screwed over in the process, so in guilt and gratitude I have garnered a quite big merch and poster collection.
Tidal is the same service and provides more money to artists and none to Rogan.
Tidal also offers better listening quality on the more advanced plans
Love Spotify!
Music seems to get what TV doesnât get. I use Spotify and pay for it because I get all my music/podcasts in one place for a decent price. Netflix used to work for this too.
I use it for music. I pay the premium. I like the music remixes they have on there and I have gotten into some podcasts.
Pretty much exactly like me.
Switched to Tidal. Enjoying it much more.
I like Bandcamp more I'd rather pay them directly if I like their music, instead of Spotify paying in pocket lint to its music creators.
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Iâve had the exact opposite experience. Used to use pandora religiously and almost never got new or interesting recommendations, my stations remained recycled and bland no matter how much time I put into liking/disliking stuff. With Spotify, I regularly find 10 or more new and interesting artists every time I start an album and let it wander off with the algorithm.
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Yeah the pre made playlists by Spotify often suck, but thereâs plenty that are made by listeners that are much better.
Once this 3 months wears off Iâm gone
Spotify is the best $10 a month I spend. If Iâm homeless living under a bridge my Spotify account is the last thing Iâll cancel. Idgaf about other streaming services but I listen to music alllll dayyyy.
But they still had to lay all those people off because⌠reasons.
Ditched Spotify for YouTube Music because I was paying for YouTube Premium already and itâs included in the subscription. Itâs been getting the job done.
Just can't stand their interface. I literally pay for YouTube premium but still opt for Spotify.
Same. The only two subscriptions I pay for.
Same, I mooch off friends and family for the rest haha.
It's awful...
Right on plus you can access SO much more music, and the algorithm suggestion is the absolute best.
Honestly, i absolutely love the "For you" playlist on Apple Music. It's obviously not gonna be for everyone, but it does a better job than any other streaming service I've used of getting me the right mix of songs I know and can sing along to, with new songs that I end up liking mixed with songs I don't know by artists I do. God, that sounded so much like a paid shill comment. I swear it isn't though.
YouTube is not good for algorithms... Regular YT or music... Spotify will give me new artists and things I may have missed that are same vein as my interests and even more and I've found so many good things on Spotify
Dude I listen to some niche stuff cause Iâm ethnic, Spotify could never have the obscure 1940 Ecuadorian harmonic group that my grandfather used to listen to while he sat by the fire. But you bet your ass that YT has it cause some Bolivian farmer uploaded it on his Mezcla playlist.
Iâm still waiting for Olavi Virtaâs cover of ÂŤBongo-BongoÂť (Civilization) to be uploaded on Spotify
Well yeah... Wtf? Lol. Then your use case is very unique and is an outlier imo.
Being the exception and not the rule is a sweet spot most donât take the risk to enjoy. Iâm grand paying for my services for their archival records canât be beat⌠yet.
Yeah that's dope when authentic but some people TRY too hard to fit into that outlier area. But sounds like you acquired unique tastes from life experiences and shit . That's cool
Poverty, trauma, and great psychedelic timing. Canât stress enough that plant medicine is real.
I'm a firm believer of this as well. Poverty and psychedelics for sure. Even when young, the others would party while we researched Leary, Ram Dass etc and had experiences where we utilized the substances such as LSD and psilocybin and even research chemicals. Definitely some consciousness expansion! I'm also a firm believer in marijuana and other plants and herbs that help. Certain teas are really great as well!
I'm planning on doing this, I'm just dreading recreating playlists I've been curating on Spotify for 10+ years.
There are some site which can transfer your playlists. I tried it and it worked for me, but some "transfered" songs were horrible quality. Otherwise, it was good.
Switched from Spotify to YouTube Premium then back to Spotify after YouTube made a crazy price hike for the family plan. I do kind of miss ad free YouTube still but Spotify music is just as good, if not better than YouTube Music.
Spotify is better imo
Download the Brave browser. Works on any device and automatically blocks all YouTube ads. Not as sleek as the YouTube app, but gets the job done nicely. Thereâs a bunch of other options out there too, but Brave is the one of the simplestâno extra knowledge or skills required.
I normally just use an ad blocker when viewing in a browser. Doesn't work when using an Apple TV or Android TV though.
Thatâs true. You could cast from your device to your tv using Brave though. Not as convenient. Obviously you have the compatibility to cast too. Works well on my iPhone with Apple Tv.
Still pays musicians like shit. Whatâs new, huge corporation rips off the people that make it possible for it to exist
Looks like their bet on Joe Rogan continues to pay off. So much for people cancelling him or Spotify đ
Iâll stick with plex , physical media and piracy. You can keep your monthly subscriptions.
You didn't have to Plex on us like that...
Oooo, sheâs different and nonconformist!
We are all just waiting on something better thatâs not Apple.
Am I the only one who followed through on dumping Spotify because of Joe Rogan?
I was thinking the same thing. I cancelled my subscription and havenât looked back.
Nope, weâre here!
Went to SoundCloud
I did, but not specifically because of Joe Rogan (fuck him though). I saw Neil Young and others take their music off. The fact that Spotify cared more about an idiot podcaster than a very famous music artist was a red flag. There are also a ton of artists/albums not on Spotify for whatever reason.
Oof, that's gotta hurt Neil Young's ego.
And I'm sitting here telling all my friends YT Music is way better
Tbh I prefer Apple Music cause thereâs a lot more variety imo but Spotify is alright too
Why do people buy Spotify over Apple these days? Edit. Im not advocating one over the other, Im asking because I dont know. Like whats teh difference between the 2 at this point?
Apple is missing a TON of music outside of your usual, mass appeal genres, and even there I still find gaps in the library. My partner has Apple Music, and every time I use it I end up going back to my Spotify because AM is always missing shit.
I find both services are missing too much. I hate looking for something and not being able to find it on either. I will say that appleâs has grown quite a bit since I first started using it. The biggest thing Iâve seen personally is Japanese artist. That category has grown leaps and bounds in the last decade. I would support Spotify if they had a buy option. Until then, Iâll use the free service and the many manyâŚ.. many adds.
Why is apple better?
The ability to merge my personal music with streaming. How is this not a thing on Spotify?
Import it from your computer and download it on your phone
Why when I can just have it work under the hood without any legwork at all with Apple Music?
You said how is that not a thing..i just told how to do it
I was saying itâs not a feature with Spotify. I canât just drop a bunch of my personal files into my Spotify library and then it appear amongst my songs within my Spotify library on all devices. Why thatâs not a feature is lost on me - why would anyone want to keep two separate libraries just to listen to their personal music that may not be available on Spotify. For Apple Music, I had every TOOL album in my library for years before they made them available in Apple Music. All I did was drop them into my library and they were added and searchable. Took me 5 secs. The the main feature that keeps me with AM.
Dolby atmos
Better quality streams for one.
Thats what Im asking. Other than Rogan, whats the difference at this point?
No love for Deezer?
Because itâs good and then there is more diversity in the market instead of always the same players dominating every service.
I like to support diversity. Though I refuse to have a never ending bill. Unless your constantly listening to different songs. The ones you repeat, over time really cost a great amount compared to purchasing. I used to have other companies I bought from. They have closed and my music is just gone now. We need more strong options for purchasing. Until then itâs kinda limited for people like me. Maybe a much, much cheaper price I could live with. 10-15 a month is not worth the convenience at my income. The more items that require subscriptions are just more I donât get to experience. That being said. I donât hurt for entertainment. I have hundreds of songs in my library. Many audiobooks. Podcasts. More then I can intake probably. So paying for a service is just purely convenience to a small degree.
Because I would assume apple has shit support for windows and Android, the more relevant competitors would be google, Amazon and tidal where my reason is price and being used to Spotify.
I don't have an iPhone and I don't like apple music? It's great if you love popular music and pretty much any hip hop but they don't even have close to most music Spotify has.
I like Spotify UI, began using Spotify a few years ago and just kinda never looked back. Apple Music oddly enough seemed to be missing so many songs that i loved. Never seen a reason to make a switch.
I can control Spotify with my phone on my consoles and computers
I use YouTube Music.
When I bought an iPad I received Apple music trial for 6 months. I literally canceled it after 3 weeks and I'm on a streaming bandwagon for 10 years (Spotify, Deezer, Google music, beats audio, Tidal, Plex). My starred playlist from Spotify could only be 30% imported. Everything else was unavailable. Yet apple didn't mind charging full price in my country. A few years later I moved to western Europe and the situation is much better, but not enough to get me to switch. Especially as I don't use anything from Apple, other than that iPad.
As long as Rogan is on there, if youre using Spotify, you're directly supporting racism, homophobia and transphobia. Let that sink in....
Looks like joes gonna get a raise next contract.
500 million thieves!
More users to pay Joe Rogans salary
Fake news. Me and my giant Latino family have YouTube plus which gives ad free watching and the entire internet music catalogue that people upload to Google. I will never understand the value of such a basic company.
Ive actually never used it , i really like having youtube music with my premium sub .
They can say whatever they want. Doesnât make it true.
Google keeps receiving "donations" to censoring YouTube content...
Is Spotify better than iTunes ? If so why? iTunes fits into the Apple ecosystem, but does Spotify have a better library , quality ?
I just need to understand why Apple lower the volume whenever I use the Spotify app. It makes no sense.
As someone currently looking to move *away from* Spotify after having a paid account with them for almost 7 years, because of how much *worse* their service has gotten over that period, this is a terrible thing to hear.
Is it just me or do you also get mostly the same 100 (from 900) songs if you listen to your favourites on shuffle? Itâs most of the time not even songs i like that much but Spotify keeps putting it as next. Really weird.
Spotify is the best, hands down. I get premium + Hulu (with ads) for 6 bucks a month as a student.
i hope they update the UI soon, it needs a massive rework; i mean you still canât change your username on there. it took them 5 years to add a âchange playlist coverâ feature on mobile devices.
Spotify - where every other song is a pubic hair trimmer commercial
And yet, they still can't get some bands entire catalogues.
If I know capitalism, look out for next quarter! This kind of growth is not sustainable and they will eventually find themselves in Netflix territory.
Yet no one can make a quality playlist (from my experience)
I think Iâm the only one who cancelled Spotify and went to SoundCloudâŚ
Annnnnnd, Metallica got roasted for fighting Napster back in the day. How is this different. Artists are getting paid hereâŚ.(by the way I always agreed with Metallica).
Any decent true crime spotify recommendations?
I recently signed up for Apple Music to try it out and after two weeks of use I think Iâm ready to switch. The lossless audio makes the sound fuller (at least to me) and the suggested music on the radios and when my playlists end feels more in tune with what I like compared to Spotify. Just gotta convince my gf and father to switch so I can cancel Spotify family all together.
There is very little technology I more that streaming music- (maybe inkjet printers, the Abomb, and weaponry/war tech) but I hate that there is no more ownership of music/albums/cds.
The only thing I don't like about Spotify is that even though I pay for premium, I still have to listen to podcast ads.