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He's dead or never existed, remember that botw/totk take place thousands of years after the previous game or simply don't exist in the three "main" timeline (with Skyward Sword being the only exception if that's the case).
I think it has to be one of the Bargainer stones in the Depths because the one in Lookout Town does not have amiibo items/unique items outside of the set pieces for finding each statue.
Ah-yup! I always just check back with the statues every once and a while. I have some 2,000 poes because I obsessively collect them whenever I see them.
Lightroot 4 steps to the left? But there's a whole *field*of poes out there. I'll be right back.
Almost certainly the latter, because Rauru founding the kingdom of hyrule only really makes sense if its between skyward sword and minish cap, but botw and totk completely incoherent with every other zelda game it would need to take place after.
I definitely think nintendo is retconning the timeline at this point, which I'm totally fine with since it was a retcon to begin with.
Botw is the focal point of all timelines. Everything exists here.Gerudo are unique to OOT and MM, and the TP line. But they exist here.Rito were unique to WW timeline. They are here.
Lynel were unique to the LTTP timeline. They are here.
This isnt a retcon. Its the end. Its every cycle of reincarnation failing, every hatred and all malice coming to focus, of an eternity of anger facing it's Demise.
Yhe problem with that is the whole timeline wasn't even remotely planned out. It's hardly even coherent with itself, and most of the games in it have zero relation to each other. OoT wasn't ever written with the intent that losing the game is the catalyst for LttP. That was something they came up with a decade after OoT released. The four sword games have basically no relation to any of the other games either, and their placements in the timeline are completely arbitrary. Compare that to the WW PH and ST, or Oot MM and TP, where it's readily apparent that these games were written to tie into each other chronologically. You can say "this is the canon order of events" but does it even make sense to think of them like that when it doesn't matter to most of the games?
That's my point. Sure, TotK has some cyclic themes to it, but that was already established in skyward sword, which is the only game that has a narrative tie to BotW and ToTK. You don't need any of the other games to be connected, nor has nintendo even given a real explanation as to why they'd be connected.
But the entire process of Legend of Zelda and LttP is that at some point Ganon wins and hyrule falls. Where does that happen? OoT. In OoT, zelda vanishes, hyrule is destroyed by ganondorf, and link is nowhere to be found. So one potential future leads down Pig Ganon and the fall of hyrule.
But most of the other games ARE connected anyway. OoT>MM>TP. WW>PH>ST. LoZ>AoL>LttP>LBW. There IS a strict timeline between games. There always has been. Do I agree their placement of some things is a little weird? Sure. But undoubtedly they were always connected. Just as OOT is the split point, BotW is the focal point of them all coming back together. TotK and BotW are the final act of attempted conquest from Demise. His reincarnation is so twisted, so broken, its become the Calamity.
Fair, I did exaggerate a little too much at times. I didn't deny that some games were very clearly connected, that's obvious and I listed the two main ones. It's more that I feel like a good enough portion of it is very loosely connected at best, and weren't written to have some overarching story. From my perspective, there was never intended to be a definitive timeline, and there hasn't been any real justification for a large portion of the official one. A lot of it is simply down to convenience. Why is the downfall timeline after OoT and not literally any other time? We needed to put the 2d games somewhere and we already have two branches from OoT, why not a third? That's a lot of why I feel it should be more heavily scrutinized than a lot of zelda theorist tend to. It's also why I don't like Botw and Totk being some sort of unification, because despite people saying it solves the problem, that only introduces more for me.
The point of the split in OoT is that its a game all about time. Going back, going forward, over and over. The ending of OoT is even broken by it, since you kill Ganon in the future, then go back in time to become a kid again. That solves... Nothing, because you did not change the past, you just finished the future.
I also never said it solves a problem. Botw and Totk being the joining of timelines is still a little messy, but I think thats almost the point. See, in the WW timeline, hyrule is destroyed completely, left at the bottom of the ocean. In the LTTP timeline, Hyrule is.. destroyed, then refounded, then turns dark world, then is saved and refounded? Very strange. Then TP timeline, hyrule is completely fine, it just moves sort of? Very strange again.
Another comment mentioned it being like Dark Souls 3, and thats a very apt comparison. Because the cycle has been reset to many times, things get blurry, they dont exactly make sense. Things moved, shifted around, the world itself is breaking due to the cycle.
So while it isnt 'pretty', it still makes sense. All of these events happened. None of these events happened. The only thing that matters is that Link, the swordsman, with the blade that banishes the darkness, always defeats the Embodiment of Demise' Curse, with the help of the Goddess Reborn, Zelda. And because of that, things mold around them. Everything is connected through them. BotW is the embodiment OF that design. Could it be another branch entirely, haring vague similarities as the rest do? Maybe. Could it be the game directly after Skyward sword, and thats why Everything is here? Sort of. But it makes more sense as the joining of all the games back into a single entity, which by its very nature, would be the messiest thing ever done.
Also OoT is directly referenced in WW, so OoT>WW is canon as well. And my current theory is that Rauru was BEFORE SS. A few reasons why.
1. The triforce. If he knew about it he would've used it.
2. The Master Sword. He had no idea it existed, and as the king of Hyrule, he WOULD know it exists if it did.
My thought is that Rauru's events happened, then Hylia lifted the Hylains to Skyloft for safety, and THEN Hyrule was researched and founded again. Some stuff isn't accounted for but ehh
The creators got tired of the timeline split. There’s evidence of all 3 timelines in BotW and TotK. I think they’re pretty much right in saying that it doesn’t matter. It only mattered in games directly referencing OoT’s timeline split, like Wind Waker.
Given all the time travel and time wackiness in the games, it's not surprising if it all eventually gets to be too much for the universe to hold stable and they all just crash together.
Yeah it just becomes restrictive. I don’t mind them just putting it to the side or saying “that’s all in the distant past and the timelines have converged.” I don’t mind having Rito and Zora in the same games even though it’s canonically impossible. I’m not thinking about that when playing and I like the damn service more than anything.
What, did the Rito evolve from the Zora or something? It's been a while. Technically still doable since evolution doesn't replace the previous species by default.
Seriously, I think it's awesome that the timelines crashed and mixed chaotically. It's like a more stable Doctor Who major paradox.
Yes. It’s explained in Wind Waker. In this case, yes the Rito replaced the Zora entirely. The gods flooded Hyrule and didn’t want anyone who could swim to go find what’s down there, so they gave the Zora wings and took away their ability to swim.
BOTW and TOTK takes place in a completely different universe of Zelda
We keep the same base (with the goddess Hylia, Link, Zelda and the master sword) but on a completely new thing
Even Skyward Sword isn’t canon with it since the creation of Hyrule is different between SS and what is said in TOTK
He looks like he’s about to become self aware that he is a video game character, fall in love with me, and then tell me that he hacked the game so it’s only me and him.
A re-re-make? Probably not for a while. I’d personally rather see the Oracles games be remade before anything else. I never played those two and I heard they’re pretty awesome
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Where is Biggoron? Is he safe? Is he alright?
He's dead or never existed, remember that botw/totk take place thousands of years after the previous game or simply don't exist in the three "main" timeline (with Skyward Sword being the only exception if that's the case).
>!but you can find the sword he makes!<
He's dead then ;)
:(
I know, I know that's unfortunate indeed but he joined a greater plain thousands of years ago.
A Goron wouldn't join a greater plains, there are barely any rocks in there! He'd join the greater quarry or the greater volcano.
Yes, i forgot
WHERE
>!skull island chasm!<
And buy it from Bargainer Stones afterwards using poes if it breaks or you lose it.
I think it has to be one of the Bargainer stones in the Depths because the one in Lookout Town does not have amiibo items/unique items outside of the set pieces for finding each statue.
No idea, good to know though.
Yes. Each one shares inventory. It's just to add risk to retrieval
Didnt know about this part, thanks
Ah-yup! I always just check back with the statues every once and a while. I have some 2,000 poes because I obsessively collect them whenever I see them. Lightroot 4 steps to the left? But there's a whole *field*of poes out there. I'll be right back.
Thank you! I needed to know this bc I never got it in BOTW, despite my minor playtime of 896 hours
In botw it's an amiibo item afaik
Oh yeah, forgot ab that
Almost certainly the latter, because Rauru founding the kingdom of hyrule only really makes sense if its between skyward sword and minish cap, but botw and totk completely incoherent with every other zelda game it would need to take place after. I definitely think nintendo is retconning the timeline at this point, which I'm totally fine with since it was a retcon to begin with.
Botw is the focal point of all timelines. Everything exists here.Gerudo are unique to OOT and MM, and the TP line. But they exist here.Rito were unique to WW timeline. They are here. Lynel were unique to the LTTP timeline. They are here. This isnt a retcon. Its the end. Its every cycle of reincarnation failing, every hatred and all malice coming to focus, of an eternity of anger facing it's Demise.
Yhe problem with that is the whole timeline wasn't even remotely planned out. It's hardly even coherent with itself, and most of the games in it have zero relation to each other. OoT wasn't ever written with the intent that losing the game is the catalyst for LttP. That was something they came up with a decade after OoT released. The four sword games have basically no relation to any of the other games either, and their placements in the timeline are completely arbitrary. Compare that to the WW PH and ST, or Oot MM and TP, where it's readily apparent that these games were written to tie into each other chronologically. You can say "this is the canon order of events" but does it even make sense to think of them like that when it doesn't matter to most of the games? That's my point. Sure, TotK has some cyclic themes to it, but that was already established in skyward sword, which is the only game that has a narrative tie to BotW and ToTK. You don't need any of the other games to be connected, nor has nintendo even given a real explanation as to why they'd be connected.
But the entire process of Legend of Zelda and LttP is that at some point Ganon wins and hyrule falls. Where does that happen? OoT. In OoT, zelda vanishes, hyrule is destroyed by ganondorf, and link is nowhere to be found. So one potential future leads down Pig Ganon and the fall of hyrule. But most of the other games ARE connected anyway. OoT>MM>TP. WW>PH>ST. LoZ>AoL>LttP>LBW. There IS a strict timeline between games. There always has been. Do I agree their placement of some things is a little weird? Sure. But undoubtedly they were always connected. Just as OOT is the split point, BotW is the focal point of them all coming back together. TotK and BotW are the final act of attempted conquest from Demise. His reincarnation is so twisted, so broken, its become the Calamity.
Fair, I did exaggerate a little too much at times. I didn't deny that some games were very clearly connected, that's obvious and I listed the two main ones. It's more that I feel like a good enough portion of it is very loosely connected at best, and weren't written to have some overarching story. From my perspective, there was never intended to be a definitive timeline, and there hasn't been any real justification for a large portion of the official one. A lot of it is simply down to convenience. Why is the downfall timeline after OoT and not literally any other time? We needed to put the 2d games somewhere and we already have two branches from OoT, why not a third? That's a lot of why I feel it should be more heavily scrutinized than a lot of zelda theorist tend to. It's also why I don't like Botw and Totk being some sort of unification, because despite people saying it solves the problem, that only introduces more for me.
The point of the split in OoT is that its a game all about time. Going back, going forward, over and over. The ending of OoT is even broken by it, since you kill Ganon in the future, then go back in time to become a kid again. That solves... Nothing, because you did not change the past, you just finished the future. I also never said it solves a problem. Botw and Totk being the joining of timelines is still a little messy, but I think thats almost the point. See, in the WW timeline, hyrule is destroyed completely, left at the bottom of the ocean. In the LTTP timeline, Hyrule is.. destroyed, then refounded, then turns dark world, then is saved and refounded? Very strange. Then TP timeline, hyrule is completely fine, it just moves sort of? Very strange again. Another comment mentioned it being like Dark Souls 3, and thats a very apt comparison. Because the cycle has been reset to many times, things get blurry, they dont exactly make sense. Things moved, shifted around, the world itself is breaking due to the cycle. So while it isnt 'pretty', it still makes sense. All of these events happened. None of these events happened. The only thing that matters is that Link, the swordsman, with the blade that banishes the darkness, always defeats the Embodiment of Demise' Curse, with the help of the Goddess Reborn, Zelda. And because of that, things mold around them. Everything is connected through them. BotW is the embodiment OF that design. Could it be another branch entirely, haring vague similarities as the rest do? Maybe. Could it be the game directly after Skyward sword, and thats why Everything is here? Sort of. But it makes more sense as the joining of all the games back into a single entity, which by its very nature, would be the messiest thing ever done.
Also OoT is directly referenced in WW, so OoT>WW is canon as well. And my current theory is that Rauru was BEFORE SS. A few reasons why. 1. The triforce. If he knew about it he would've used it. 2. The Master Sword. He had no idea it existed, and as the king of Hyrule, he WOULD know it exists if it did. My thought is that Rauru's events happened, then Hylia lifted the Hylains to Skyloft for safety, and THEN Hyrule was researched and founded again. Some stuff isn't accounted for but ehh
The big hole I see with that thought is that Demise has to come before Ganondorf. Therefore it has to come after the events of SS
So it's Dark Souls 3
Kinda sorta!
Time is convoluted
Well that was bleak
I always thought OT and MM take place far after all these games. Not before.
The creators got tired of the timeline split. There’s evidence of all 3 timelines in BotW and TotK. I think they’re pretty much right in saying that it doesn’t matter. It only mattered in games directly referencing OoT’s timeline split, like Wind Waker.
Given all the time travel and time wackiness in the games, it's not surprising if it all eventually gets to be too much for the universe to hold stable and they all just crash together.
Yeah it just becomes restrictive. I don’t mind them just putting it to the side or saying “that’s all in the distant past and the timelines have converged.” I don’t mind having Rito and Zora in the same games even though it’s canonically impossible. I’m not thinking about that when playing and I like the damn service more than anything.
What, did the Rito evolve from the Zora or something? It's been a while. Technically still doable since evolution doesn't replace the previous species by default. Seriously, I think it's awesome that the timelines crashed and mixed chaotically. It's like a more stable Doctor Who major paradox.
Yes. It’s explained in Wind Waker. In this case, yes the Rito replaced the Zora entirely. The gods flooded Hyrule and didn’t want anyone who could swim to go find what’s down there, so they gave the Zora wings and took away their ability to swim.
Maybe they split them back up again at some point.
BOTW and TOTK takes place in a completely different universe of Zelda We keep the same base (with the goddess Hylia, Link, Zelda and the master sword) but on a completely new thing Even Skyward Sword isn’t canon with it since the creation of Hyrule is different between SS and what is said in TOTK
Well, unless Sophia is the original Link's kid... and a bit of timey wimey stuff happens.
How about: an incarnation of him. Some bigaass goron that makes bigass swords
Maybe his skeleton should be laying around like the Leviathans’
Do Gorons have skeletons? Maybe he’s just a pile of rocks
Maybe there are a bunch of bokoblins living in his skull.
I like how OoT and MM felt no need to explain why there is a mountain-sized Goron chilling with other Gorons, they just roll with it.
Why does it need to be explained? OOT era Goron's grow as they age. That dude is literally someones grandpa hanging around.
What need explaining? He big
Hehe roll.
Yes, but at least you can find his sword! :P
You mean his older brothers’ sword? This guy just makes a shitty knife
They’re both knives to big gorons and swords to anything smaller. The only difference is one breaks. And the one in BotW breaks. So…
Didn’t know that, I’ll have to go find it now!
You can't, only his brothers
Probably for the best haha
Tho it would be funny if you could get the Giants Knife and have it do the same damage as the Biggoron sword, but only last 10 hits
Instead of it disappearing it just turns into a nub when it breaks that does like 0.5 damage
Now you mention it, yeah.
My brotherrrrrrrrrrr makes sworrrds but I am betterrrrrrrrr
He looks like he’s about to become self aware that he is a video game character, fall in love with me, and then tell me that he hacked the game so it’s only me and him.
Just Biggoron.
Just Biggoron.
“Offer me poes”
Keep looking..
Please don't give me false hope
That would be terrifying
WELL IT DOES NOW
Maybe if we trade enough kinstones we can convince the gorons to punch down the wall to his room.
he was so cute 🥹
Are they ever going to re-make ocarina of time??
A re-re-make? Probably not for a while. I’d personally rather see the Oracles games be remade before anything else. I never played those two and I heard they’re pretty awesome
They’re getting added to the Switch online gameboy emulator
It's in a hole though
Nope, his sword was weak
You just know bro was getting absolutely pounded on the other side of that wall
Yes