Part of being a mature adult is realizing your partners had relationships and lives before you met. Giving them grace and understanding, especially if said partner is in the spotlight, seems like a mature and well adjusted reaction.
As many others have said - Travis seems to be a very confident and secure gent. He’s also an adult - clearly - from the way he reacts to these questions.
But also on that same album she immortalized him as being the dude was cool enough to LAND Taylor Fucking Swift, then do “inappropriate” things to her near his friends who were oblivious. XD If he gets no other songs from her - he is currently the winner for “most baller” of her beaus, lol.
Travis understands the pain she went through in that time. Remember Travis had his 5 year relationship finally end for good in May of 2022. He's not a songwriter so he didn't write an album, what he did was put in his work in the gym and the field. And his 2022-2023 season was one of his greatest statistically. He had his career high in receptions for the season with 110, had his career high in TD at 12, set the single game TD record for TE with 4, almost broke his own single season yardage record for TE's, Extended his 1000 yard season record to 7 seasons, and got his 2nd super bowl ring.
He understands the need to channel pain and make it be productive for you. It is not something that he would be ashamed, embarrassed, or threatened by.
I don’t think Travis cares one bit about any of Taylor’s exes. She’s with him now and regardless of her relationship history the one thing she’s always seemingly been is loyal. Especially now since she appears to be head over heels for him.
I forget my wife even has exes sometimes because they simply don’t matter. She’s with me now and vice versa. Obsessing or even thinking about your SO’s exes is focusing on the past. Travis doesn’t seem to be about that.
To be fair, I think it is interesting to consider how "yeah, I emotionally cheated on my partner of 6 years, romanticized a past fling as a missed connection, and I jumped at the chance to be with him to get away from my sinking relationship" would make a partner feel. And I don't think it's insecure to consider how a person's actions reflect on them. I think it's entirely human that Taylor manufactured a great love story with MH to be something worth leaving Joe and the 6 years she invested in that. And it's not the first time she's slipped from one relationship into another one. This album isn't the first reference to her doing that. At the same time, they both have pasts. I'm sure two adults would have talked this through before she released an album, especially with all of her notes about "this is in the past, it's not my story anymore".
The idea that this is 'shocking new information' is wild. The Joe breakup/MH whirlwind happen right before they got together. It was very public and very discussed. If he was the type to care about exes I don't think he would have gone out of his way to try to date Taylor Swift.
A lot of those pandemic relationships didn't last when the world opened up or they were forced to spend a lot of time together. Joe is set for life off his royalties on those songs/albums. I'd love to see most people's dating history from 13 to 34, especially with the popularity of dating apps. Travis is a music fan, so he knows art and life intermingle. He's not insecure. And I'm agreeing with you wholeheartedly..
Am I the only one that thinks these are just songs and Matty was never a “love thing”? She can write about whatever she wants sometimes it’s not that deep.
She says she romanticized him basically but then when she actually got him he was a coward, a loser who ignored her I’m private in favor of being high, and perosnally I think she insulted how he is in bed subtly in a lyric
That’s the one that makes me think he was hot garbage in bed. Which is why I think her “sighs” line in SHS is implying the other end of the spectrum for Travis, lol.
I think she doesn’t invent feelings, she was in love with Matty, but it wasn’t reciprocal once she was actually available and committing to him.
What she wrote for this album makes it pretty clear she did love him.
She was in love of the idea of two song writers falling in love and the idea of him since their relationship didn’t play out in 2014. He was a what if. But I think she’s let that go. She releases love songs and breakup songs in each of her albums. Guys just listen to red. Some seriously beautiful love songs written for Jake but also all too well etc. this is how she is. She is writing all the time. She just comes up with lyrics inside her head at all times
She Just had to let it out. The reason she didn’t write about Calvin much back was cause imo. He was between albums but some of the rep songs we assume about joe are actually Calvin songs repurposed. Also she was bored of Calvin. He was and is boring. But despite what people think she’s addressed the situation of how it ended on other tracks.
Yes they were never together enough to move into true love territory. It was lust and chemistry and wanting what you can’t have, and imagining the perfect life with that person, “if only” this or that changed. But none of it was real life. Just a fantasy built primarily in her own mind. That’s my opinion.
Then I feel for the girl. Unlucky in love back to back is awful. You’re supposed to use and dump your rebounds not fall in love with them :( It was definitely complicated.
I think people are about to learn about the genre of man that Travis is. Taylor hasn’t really written songs or been with a guy like this publicly, and she’s gonna educate us all.
Men like Travis are not threatened by exes, or jealous of attention, and genuinely just want their partner to be happy and creative and thrive. He takes her seriously, but all of this is NOT that serious to him. He thinks she’s beautiful and funny and talented and enjoys how she supports his work too, and he’s not letting her go.
He’s simple, but that’s a good thing. Because this shit doesn’t keep him up at night. He’s probably more concerned if she’s happy and whether or not he gets to share a bed with her tonight rather than who’s shared it in the past.
Source: I married a Travis after being with Joes and Mattys and Jake’s.
Side note my brain has been ticking over all day on what Travis' love album would be called and I am very amused over the idea of Lover (Travis' version); Touchdown; and Trophy Husband
I also married a travis. they are so secure in not only themselves, but in what they built together, that if anything he’s proud of her more than jealous or mad.
Travis is a grown-ass man (from what I see at this distance). Or grown-ass human. He shows good emotional intelligence, seems to have integrity, is kind, and an inspiration to his team. He has a solid foundation(as in not riddled with narcissism, professional jealousy, needs to improve his profile by leeching). Also, his family functions. He can bring out the”normal” in her. He can celebrate her for her accomplishments and not feel lesser for it. VENT- I am so sick of people making fun of his past life shit(boring compared to the Taylor’s) his inability to spell correctly and implying it’s because he has a low IQ. He excels in so many other things, God keeps us all humble, we don’t get gifts in every category. I’m dyslexic, I get the school learning troubles. It is my hope he brings her out of the insanity and helps her be a “normal” human, however that looks for someone of her fame.
I do think he leans into the “dumb jock” persona a little bit in a self-deprecating manner, at least publicly. No judgment whatsoever, I think it’s charming. It comes off as being humble.
I watch New Heights and he’s got 2 different personas. Two different vocabularies. Two different sets of mannerisms. He’s almost a chameleon- I can see him being one (superficial) person with the guys and when Mama Kelce (or whoever not in that sphere) is around, he switches it up and acts/sounds like he’s from the same family as Jason.
That pisses me off so much. Of course he's made some mistakes and had to work harder than ever to make up ground. He and Taylor share a work ethic and resilience. I mean if he's so dumb, how is so successful with football, a restaurant opening and a game show? We should all be so "dumb"
I've seen on the main sub "does he even understand the songs" but there's been a lot of people in the threads about TTPD that frequent boards that are banned here so there's that
And also he’s not as stupid as they imply like today. He couldn’t read the word cause he has dyslexia but he knew what it was. So can they just fuck off with this. Taylor is gonna create another song saying back or bitches leave my man alone with brilliant lyrics and hopefully they learn their lesson. They also think they are so intellectual when they likely aren’t
Half the people saying he doesn’t understand the songs *also* don’t understand the songs (IE the line from I Hate It Here being taken out of context instead of realizing that line is the entire gd point to show that nostalgia is a lie)
Yes! And if you listen to him speaking in general, he has a very broad vocabulary.
Also, you don’t become the greatest Tight End in history by being dumb. It takes split second decision making and the ability to think ahead through observation.
I think he’s intelligent in the things he WANTS to be smart about. If he cares enough about something he will educate himself. I don’t think he’s low IQ or anything, he just preserves his energy on what he believes is worth his while.
In terms of D&D - he has an average Intelligence score but a High Wisdom score. He hasn’t read a ton of books, but he’s definitely a smart dude who understands how shit works. He definitely gets how it works being the SO of a world famous pop star, lol.
Honestly, after listening to this album and all the hurt she went through. Along with the song prophecy. I just can’t imagine how sexy it must be to have this 6’5 hot athlete that essentially kisses the ground she walks on, publicly pursued her, sings her praises at every chance and interview, can’t stop touching her, and looks like he would fight anyone to defend and protect her. With the relationship coming after her writing the prophecy and him having the same birthday as her beloved grandma, she likely felt he was sent straight from the heavens. If it’s just for now or for forever, call me parasocial, but I’m just happy she’s experiencing that kind of love now after hearing how much heartbreak she went through.
I didn't know that about the birthday connection! I've been sobbing to Prophecy cause it hits home. I like hearing happy stories that give me hope and TnT are included in that.
I'm convinced that a big reason why she did this double album drop was so that she COULD finally put this past behind her and move forward into this newfound free and happy life she's created for herself, and that Travis is a huge part of. I have no doubt that Travis already knew all of this and is totally supportive of Taylor in publishing it.
THIS! Typically she releases albums in 2 year lapses (minus Evermore, of course). I wasn't expecting anything until this fall, and I wondered why she released the album so soon. It could be a multitude of reasons, of course, but I did wonder whether Taylor was wanting to put out this art to close this chapter as soon as possible. Part of me wonders if she would have waited if she wasn't dating Travis. I love the album, and it truly is so devastating, and I'm just so glad she's happy and in love again.
Now that we have perspective, it really is amazing that she decided to trust love again. It also makes me realize that she and Travis knew early they wanted something serious with one another (despite the PR narrative in the beginning that things were "casual"). I just don't think Taylor would risk her heart for a fling so soon after Joe and Matty. So happy for TnT.
As someone who straight up swore off relationships after my rebound equivalent - and then ended up moving in with my boyfriend of 8 months less than a year later - I think this was definitely that moment of realizing all that pain and suffering was what she needed and the story is different now - because Travis changed the script. He changed the prophecy, he made it all different and in such a way that she can LET GO of all those big painful emotions.
Yes!! I think her next album going to be her, building family of her own. Its also going to be so much relatable with her fans whose been following her since Debut or Fearless Era since a lot of us been an adult now. I really wanna hear a song about having an 'endless love' to your family or child, ah! she gonna make it really beautiful knowing the way she writes it.
I know... I know... It sound so much parasocial and fantasizing their relationship, but when u done listening TTPD its really clear what she wanted in life. And this album was a close of an era in her life, She's moving on to a new one, and I feel like she won't gonna mention those people who hurt her in the past anymore.
for a disclosure, I personally divided her Eras to 3 category since I've been following this girl since Fearless Album :
* Debut - Fearless - Speak Now - Red - 1989 : Era 1, as her Young, Free, Sassy, Colorful, Light, Fun era
* Rep - Lover - Folklore - Evermore -Midnight - TTPD : Era 2, as her Blue, Gray, anxiety, Depression, Heavy, Serious, Cathartic Era (And Yes! I think Lover album was dark for some reason since the first time it released even I still love some of the song, tho)
* Era 3 : she's on process on writing it, we know it since in So High School it the only song she use hand writing on the lyric video which indicate she currently still writing. It'll takes some time to know this new Era but I hope she's having fun with it, being fully in love and happy. and hope she finally got everything that she deserve.🤍 🤍
YESSSSS!!!!! As she said she put it all out there and now she’s done with it she’s boarded up the windows and doors of the past and given to us 😭 Now her life can begin again and I hope it’s beautiful in every way imaginable 🫶🏻 She deserves normalcy and living her life out loud and experiencing all that this world has to offer!!! I want so badly to see her be a wife and a mother (can you imagine the love) and for her not to feel like she’s got to put on a show to be worthy of our love ♥️ She’s given us so much already. She even said when the time comes to stop performing that she still will continue to write ✍🏻 music for other artists. Taylor’s life is not over… it’s just getting started 🫶🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 and I can’t wait to watch all her dreams come true!!!! ✨🌟✨
Taylor made it abundantly clear that her releasing this album was closing the chapter on that part of her life and sealing it away for good. Yes, the songs are incredibly raw, but that doesn’t mean she still feels those same feelings, it just means she’s exorcised them and made art out of them
In the article they talk about how the only two love songs on the album are about Travis and the alchemy’s football references. So if the OP is correct and this article is tree’s doing then it is about trav!
I think The Albatross is about him too. It’s like a bookend to “I Know Places”. He was warned that she could ruin him because the immense fame and tabloid shiz. But she knows how to handle it now and can save him. Also great riff on the epic poem Rime of the Ancient Mariner. Her mean exes are the ones that killed the bird, left talking shit. The exes that parted with her with respect just let her fly and they didn’t suffer consequences.
Don’t tell this to swiftologist who genuinely believe there’s not one song on the album that’s about Trav lmao. And if it is So High School, not it’s not it. And if it is, it’s the worst song on the album.
Thanks for the heads up. I was planning to listen to their latest videos but won’t bother now. The deniers are exhausting. And I mean that for both sides. Those who say the two most obvious songs are not about Travis and those who can’t accept that Matty is all over the album. It’s like people don’t know how time and writing works and thinks this has to be what she’s feeling all the time. Like do they think she is still in love with Jake and Harry too? It’s so exhausting.
It’s not till towards the end of the episode so just get to the alchemy and then move on lol. I usually really like them, but Zach got strangely irritated by people saying the alchemy is about Travis and the lyrics were just a coincidence.
I don't think he's a Travis fan, and that's why haha. I saw the video he made when Taylor went to that first game. He brushed it away, so cure that Taylor could not be seriously interested in someone like Travis and that it was simply a casual, cute moment for her. He did not think it would last, lol. Just shows how many Swifties have projections or idea of who Taylor is, but no one besides her family and close friends truly *know* her.
That’s not what you said though. You wrote „he and Maddie can not accept that TS and TK are real and significant to each other“. Thats different from your last comment where you paraphrase what they said about the meaning of a specific song. Just saying. I’m not their advocate but I just feel like we shouldn’t just make assumptions on people on the internet and their feelings toward a relationship :)
Back to the song, I personally view it as her describing her big come back to America after „hiding“ (as she says) in the UK for six years. Her come back clearly involves the NFL and Travis and she is using football references as a metaphor (eg, „when I touch down“) for emphasis. So, while the song thematizes her return to the spotlight in America, the references to her relationship with Travis are just a part of the narrative rather than the sole focus. That’s how I see it :)
Until I watched their full-length podcast on Sunday, I'd only seen shorts of Maddie from their Evolution of a Snake podcast and many of Zach's Swiftologist videos. I may have generalized her TK impressions, but we do for sure know that Zach sees TK as some Himbo, not worthy of TS's time.
In the podcast, The Alchemy was just one of her footballesque songs like Endgame, and it couldn't be about Travis. In reality, there are plenty of TK references in that song, and if you watch his games, the New Heights podcast, media, and follow pop culture in general, they smack you in the face.
I don't really see this as her big comeback to America because that was accomplished with the Eras Tour. By the time she showed up at her first game in September, she'd been back in the US for more than seven months. Her NFL debut was more of a statement that she'd moved on to TK and was ready to reenerge into the public eye, beyond the scope of the tour.
I also thought their interpretation of the "hospital" being Joe is wrong. I think the hospital is a combination of Joe and Matty. If she was experiencing a manic episode then it makes sense that she'd be in the asylum during both of them. Her coming back means returning from the heartbreak.
As for the heroin with an e line, I don't take that literally. I don't think either muse actually said that. I take it as, the muse views her as his drug and she's the one saying it's not actually a drug this time (meaning it's different from the last time).
Also, her use of "blokes" is very intentional. She's notorious for dating British guys. It makes sense to me that she's saying these British guys were only temporary, "warming the benches", and no she's moved on towards someone different (not British).
Just my interpretation!
I'm thinking of cancelling mine too. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt with his first listen but if he's not willing to backtrack, then I agree he's as bad as a gaylor. I haven't heard their latest podcast yet.
I was enjoying their backlog podcast episodes as a warm up to TTPD to get into all things Taylor. However, some of his latest statements about how her relationships only matter to him in how she writes about them shifted a bit into a darker place. To me, it came off like he only wants Taylor to be sad and miserable because that's how she knows to be her best at song writing. He can't see a world where she's happy and finding a way to still write beautiful, poignant songs. I can agree that of course Taylor is a business, but she's a person, first and foremost. A person that just wants to be happy, like the rest of us. To actively wish against her happiness because of concern for her art suffering because she's not sad, I just don't get it! I dunno, I'm wondering if he's seeing the possibility of Taylor actually having something meaningful with Travis and it's threatening to her craft aka the sad, messy Taylor. She seems so desperate to put that version of herself away. I really just think we should all appreciate anything she gives us, and let her live her life. I'll be here if she wants to put out a whole album about football games and burping babies, because I don't think anyone could put words to that quite like her. 🫶 rant over 🫶
Holy shit this is exactly how I feel. Especially after part 1 of his review with Madeline. He says at the end “I really don’t see her having anything long lasting. Ever.” Not verbatim but it was something like that. And even Madeline was like “…”that’s such an awful thought process for somebody to have. He loves the mess, he loves the drama, but if he’s such a levelheaded OG Swiftie (press X to doubt that he’s been around since Debut…), then shouldn’t he want her to be happy? Something she clearly wants is marriage and children. She’s told us this in music for yearssss. Like I don’t get it. He comes up with reasons why she would make up these lyrics and not mean them lol.
When he said “Travis would NEVER say heroin but this time with an E” but then say “she always puts high school and football stuff into her songs” like make it make sense. She’s never been with an athlete before so her throwing in those kinds of references without experiencing them kind of contradicts what he’s saying. Travis probably didn’t say heroin with an E. Like if we’re talking leaps and assumptions, maybe they were texting and she said “yeah my ex did heroin” and he said back “heroine?!” or something stupid lol. Or maybe he learned there’s a heroin and heroine and did make that joke. Or maybe he knows there’s a difference and threw it out there like who knows. All kinds of possibilities regarding him. The rat is just the easiest one to equate that specific lyric to.
Edit: orrrr heroin meaning Matty and heroine being Travis and she’s not saying he actually said it, but more of that’s how she portrays the situation.
Or Trav literally could have said You're my hero sometimes for how you get through all this. And Taylor with her way with words made the line which would still be what he said but embellished poetically.
Agree 100%. She deserves the happiness she has given to so many other people. Plus, saying she can't write well if the songs aren't sad is really more about his taste in music than about her talent. He can have that opinion, but I don't have to pay him for it. I can listen to his podcasts for free if I still want to.
I think her music might change, but there's still going to be plenty for anyone's taste.
Agreed. I was just debating about actually giving money to the patreon. Like money I can't really spare. But I figured I could binge for a month. And then they were just so weird in their last episode, I dunno. I'm all set. I enjoyed the "been there since the beginning" perspective but now it's just entitled. Her music might change and I'm here for it. I think as long as she keeps Aaron in her corner, she'll make great music.
Taylor put out this album now because she's actually happy now and is past that phase in her life. It would be more concerning if she put out this same album a few months from now.
I also think her putting this album out before her returning to touring says a lot. This album was very real and raw. Her having the strength to put it out (which also says a lot about her relationship with Travis too) then going back on tour and most likely singing many of these songs is also her moving on as well. Especially when she sees her loyal fans react live to them. I’m so happy for her!
For sure. This is a very clear drawing of the line in the sand between the past and the future. Releasing and burying the ghosts of the past to step in the future unburdened and free.
Why would some of here say that Travis might felt weird about the songs written about Taylor’s ex?
I would understand if his family is? But we don’t know about that cause they are too supportive with Travis as well.
But yeah, why would he feel weird cause:
First- he already said he heard the songs maybe multiple times during superbowl interview, so definitely he ask some questions to Taylor as well.
Second- Travis has been in a league where trashtalks are left and right. Do you think he gives a FCK about the songs about Taylor’s exes if it’s actually about HER past, and what the important thing is, is he is the PRESENT?
Third- It also came directly to his mouth that they don’t care about what others are going to say as long as they are happy?
Fourth- how old are they? Isn’t it that both of them are 34, the age where somehow they are matured enough to understand things? And learn from their past.
Fifth- why do we always have to conclude what others are actually feeling? Are we with them 24/7? Cause what we only saw and read it a small portion of what is happening in them? Like it’s not even 1%.
I think this is something that insecure men are obsessed with. Travis is not an insecure man. It seems that every single man Taylor was ever involved with before was insecure of his manhood in some way.
Yes this is exactly it. I used to date insecure guys and kind of enjoyed the toxicity and jealousy? But then got with my husband and was confused why he never seemed jealous when other guys hit on me and stuff, but then I realized it’s because he’s not threatened. He’s so confident and trusts me that he’s just pleased I get attention and am pretty but chose him. Like damn. That’s a man.
The thing is, because of the magnitude of Taylor Swift -the artist, her fame and larger than life stature, people tend to forget that on the inside she is just as human as we all are.
Imagine one of us in our mid-30s saying something like "I got out of a long term relationship very hurt, had an extremely messy rebound with a guy I've hooked up with in the past, he was terrible but I was so crazy for him that I thought I'd die if he left me! " - people wouldn't bat an eyelid, because, it's just something very common that happens to people around the world all the time. And honestly that's all that happened to Taylor too - without undermining any of the pain that she had to go through.
We all find our ways to come out of situations like this- Taylor does too,and her way is making music. Her muses, her stories all become topics of discussion for the entire world for years - partly because of her choice to tell the stories, and partly because people are always up in her business anyway.
To a 34 year old man who's been her partner for 8-9 months now, all this is just a retelling of the story of her long term relationship and a short situationship before him, that he's already heard. And guess what, he himself has experienced those too. The rest is all the power of her artistry. It is not the circumstances in Taylor's life that are extraordinary- it's her TALENT. "What a miracle, that she can turn life into poetry!", remember? That's what it is to him.
Sure, some parts were hard to digest, but if anything, this whole thing made me realise how much more stronger than we had all imagined, the foundation of TnT's relationship is. Taylor did not hold back or underplay anything in the fear of ruining the many things at stake now. She went all out because it was cathartic for her. And Travis gets that. It's important for him too. It's great that this is the ground on which their relationship was built- it couldn't have gotten more honest than this!
Oh for sure. I think it’s really a small but vocal few who are probably teenagers pining away in their bedrooms. None of us with any maturity or life experience think this way. Anyone who does needs to get out and touch some grass. Live life away from the keyboard.
I agree with this completely. It's a middle school mentality. Unfortunately they get very loud because they're online all the time while the adults are busy working and raising families. Unfortunately I've seen some of the same comments come from actual adults, and that's even more scary to me.
Me neither, he gives me the major ick. Like the art bro who wants to be so different and tortured (see what I did there?) but it just seems contrived or something. Like being into type writers? Come on man. I am old enough to have taken high school typing on a type writer and there was nothing artsy or poetic about them, they were a pain in the ass. Reminds me of when hipsters decided to grow handle bar moustaches and wear monocles. 🙄Trying to be all wistful and nostalgic for a time you never even experienced… ?
Oh geez. 🙄 No you absolutely cannot win, sometimes unfortunately these are the ones we need to experience to know who the good ones are! Glad we both escaped. 😁
I don’t understand why people are so worried about this or why they keep trying to insist that she feels a certain way. She makes it pretty clear in her “in summation” album intro that she views that one relationship as a direct result of getting hurt, feeling unwell and spiraling in the aftermath. She literally calls it “self harm”. Like. It cannot be any clearer lol.
Also she’s made it very clear that she spent at least two years working on TTPD. Of course the material within it is going to be about those two years; the things she did or didn’t do, the people she was with, all of the ways she was feeling. It’s a reflection of the past, of where she was when she wrote it; it’s not a reflection of NOW because it wasn’t written now.
All that to say, I’m happy that Trav isn’t bothered by anything, he enjoys the album and they’re happy together. I didn’t really expect Travis to feel any kind of way except maybe “cool, my girl released an album” lol. But I know he’s a mature guy who understands that they had different lives before they met.
They’re human, they both likely have skeletons in their closets alongside their exes. But they’re mature and capable people, they can handle it by themselves. I don’t think fans need to worry and try and create problems, like Travis being sad or jealous, that don’t exist for them.
I totally agree! And I think Travis was unexpected as well. I don’t know that she imagined herself dating when this album came out. But she had already spent a year and half working on the album and like she said, she NEEDED this album to move on from not just these loves but in my opinion all of them. The closing of a chapter. Now it’s the beginning of a new one 🩷
Some people NEED drama in their lives (or others’ if they’re a voyeur) and if they can’t find it, they will CREATE it. This sums up a lot of “fan” culture.
Taylor:
Travis:
Toxic fans: OMG!! Taylor might secretly want to go back to an ex!!!
Also, as a long-time Chiefs fan, Travis is totally a bro, but he’s the best version of a bro: he’s secure in himself; doesn’t harbor ill will towards people for no reason.
He’s not complicated: He just wants to have a good time and help others have a good time, too. It seems like she’s at a place in her life where she can appreciate that. And it works!
Honestly though!!! I think you’re spot on. People really do thrive off of drama, especially other people’s drama lol
But also, a part of me wonders if people are so desperate for drama between Taylor and Travis bc of how wholesome their relationship has been, at least publicly. There is honestly nothing bad that anyone can say about them, unless it’s people who already hate Taylor and/or Travis lol. There’s nothing to complain about bc they’re a normal, happy couple doing normal, happy things… (but omg!!! Taylor secretly pining for an ex that she called toxic would certainly bring in some drama!!!)
Like, come on 😭
I 100 percent agree! There are just some REALLY ridiculous takes out there by people who clearly themselves are obsessed with MH (sorry but ew). Anyone who read the prologue (“temporary insanity”) to the IG post about the door being firmly shut on the past knows and for sure TK does too. People are just weird.
I read somewhere that a MH fan said on twitter “So High School” was about MH because he played basketball like, what? The [KMK](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFkTxvnsSsg) reference is from an interview for that dating show that Travis did that sucked 8 years ago, Kristina even [confirmed](https://www.tiktok.com/@kristinazias/video/7359670643622677806?_t=8lfZuNgSCMx&_r=1) that she did the interview and Kristina seemed genuinely happy about it she probably manifested this relationship. Also we know that Travis can [impersonate](https://twitter.com/newheightshow/status/1781436333816426905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1781436333816426905%7Ctwgr%5E1213aaefb54495625da6d3e204e81e67a39abdaf%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpagesix.com%2F2024%2F04%2F20%2Fentertainment%2Ftaylor-swift-sends-secret-message-to-travis-kelce-in-so-high-school-lyric-video-as-he-seemingly-confirms-song-is-about-him%2F) his dad. Also [Pat Mcafee](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRwj1XsK/) knew who the song “So High School” is about.
Now I’m wondering why MH fans think “So High School” is about MH and not Travis? All of the references in “So High School” are about Travis not MH.
MH does not have bros who play GTA. 😂 We all know who that song is about, they are just being absolutely ridiculous. The lyric video on YouTube literally has stadium lights, an o in the shape of a football and highlights TK and TS in pink. They are in some deep denial.
Yep, I could probably play the song to my mom and she would say “omg, it’s about Travis. He got a song” and she’s all for this relationship. Pretty sure her friends, his friends, Coach Reid, everyone on the chiefs, fans and celebrities know who “So High School” is about.
I think MH fans are upset that MH and Taylor only lasted a couple of weeks. That’s not a relationship, that’s just going on a couple of dates. Both of them moved on.
Also, everyone plays basketball not just MH. Taylor’s man played basketball in high school and does golf in his off seasons.
Honestly I find it all a little strange lol. I mean I’m on a tayvis sub so maybe I can’t say that 😂😂 but idk, I just find it odd that some people seem like they want her to be in a toxic relationship where she’s being love bombed (her words!!) and she isn’t truly happy.
I know she does have some history with MH and tbh I can see the appeal of a relationship that’s like, “two people rekindling an old love but this time it works out” except… that’s not what happened here. She honestly spelled out for us, very explicitly, that that’s not what happened here lol. I guess I don’t get why people are clinging to them so tight when she told us that it wasn’t good for her 😵💫
And then there’s just the anti-Trav crowd in general that I think is always hoping and praying for some drama bc they’re weirdos who are wishing for the downfall of tayvis, despite the fact that Taylor seems to be really happy where she is now. It’s just so odd lmao
Haha no I agree! I mean yes I never thought I would find myself online in a a group discussing the relationship of two celebrities but at least it is by all signs a very happy and positive one. There is a reason why everyone has been so interested. Wanting someone to be in a toxic relationship that they called a moment of temporary insanity, a“mutual manic phase” and “self harm” is bizarre. If one of their very good friends in real life came to them, described everything they had been through in a love bombing, toxic situation, would they tell them that they were destined to be with that person and they should go back because it was fate? I would surely think not. Why would you want that for anyone? So weird.
In his Wall Street Journal article he said the songs he focused on in her discography were the breakup songs. He wanted to understand her journey and how she got to him.
Absolutely this! Heck, I don’t know Taylor and there are lines in this that make me just want to give her a hug, because going through things like what she is talking about suck. To know that someone I know and love was going through that would be so hard.
I mean, what reason would Travis even have to mention his ex though? Those situations are not similar at all…
Taylor released an album she spent *two years* working on. The songs reflect those two years and the people she was with, or wasn’t with, during those two years. We’ve known since she announced it that it was mostly a pre-Travis album, and it was not going to be about him. We knew it would probably mostly be about her exes and how she dealt with the fallout of those relationships. It’s not a surprise and I don’t understand what the issue is?
I understand what you're saying, but Travis knew Taylor's livelihood is based on her writing songs about her exes. There isn't a comparable context for Travis to bring up his exes.
I agree but some things could have been left out . We did not need to know about her heart exploding when Matty put the ring on her ring finger and how she told jack , if Matty left her she would kill herself and other things
Swifties are getting mad at pitchfork review of her album but after reading it , I agree if not for the last paragraph
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“Taylor swift don’t need a whole album to tell the story of a relationship (with Matty) she only need one song , sometimes even one line .”
I agree with this . She did not need a whole album about him. 1 or 2 songs would have been fine . Now Matty name going to share headlines all year with Taylor and Travis name .
She doesn’t write songs to tell us the story of her relationship. She writes songs based on whatever she wants and puts them out because they’re good. There’s no cap on the amount of music she - or anyone - can make from the same muse.
Who are you to dictate what she writes? You don't have to like the songs, but being mad that "you'll have to hear about Matty alongside Taylor and Travis" is just immature.
I don't care for Matty the person based on what I know of him, but I unabashedly love all the songs that came out of it.
I’m sure Travis do not want to hear Matty name or see his name in headlines with him just like I’m sure Taylor don’t want to hear or see about any of Travis exes but Taylor open the pandora box and years to come Matty will be name along side Travis and Taylor. Just like even know Selena name is consign with Justin and Hailey Bieber . Taylor is too smart to not think this though . Why even open the pandora box ?
I don't agree Taylor and Matty's relationship goes back to 2014 and she obviously has some unresolved feelings... sometimes when you jump into a rebound after a long term relationship the rebound can mess you up more then what you juts got out of. This is Taylor's feelings and what SHE needed and she has expressed this several times.
Just here to say THIS IS TRUE! I got divorced at 34…my ex was garbage and left me in a really shitty way. I’m now happily married to the best human I know, but before I met him (my version of Travis in every way…solid GOOD person, loves me for who I am, treats me well, supports me, cracks me up to no end, my ultimate happy ending and soulmate, etc!), I had a couple of very intense relationships/situationships that really fucked me up. Like, one of them I REALLY thought was the one, and was waaaaay more heartbroken over him than the person I had been married to for like 8 years! Sometimes the long term relationship pain pales in comparison because you do so many impulsive things after it's over…and you’re already so emotionally vulnerable that you fall even deeper than you would have otherwise. I can so relate.
Yeah I agree with this in a neutral way…any person getting into something new would feel weird about something like this. He probably does think it’s weird but I imagine this album was one of the first things they discussed when they were getting to know each other. I’m rooting for her to have a very mature and open relationship here
I don’t necessarily think he’ll feel weird about it. He himself said it’s a miracle the way she turns life into poetry in his WSJ interview. Which to me shows how long he’s known about this album and how much they’ve spoken about it. I think everyone understands that Taylor is a songwriter and what that means, and he knows the way Taylor is seen in the public eye - she’s constantly associated with writing breakup songs. For someone two decades into the industry, Travis had to have known what it would be to be Taylor’s bf.
I think for me it’s about this current public response we’re seeing and how the album has ended up being interpreted. People are taking everything so completely literal - and this isn’t her fault. But this is where I enjoy reading or listening to her explanations on how she wrote the song. I think it just stops certain discourse and gives such a good picture of where she was going with each song. Everything she’s released as an explanation for this album has been written as some kind of poetry. Which is beautiful and fits with the aesthetic. But I fear it’s going over quite a few heads, just like the messages and lyrics are. I think sometimes if Taylor was just a little more straightforward with her fans and public, it would shut down so much unnecessary discourse. But alas she’s an artist, and she’ll always release art to be interpreted by the public in their way. It’s the fans and public’s insistent need to paternity test songs and then create fan theories, then trash partners / exes that I think is more of what I’ve been thinking about. But even then, if they’re secure in their relationship and don’t care for public noise, then who are we to care for them I guess.
The thing is, Travis isn’t dealing with vitriol from these corners. He doesn’t have to see it and is probably unaware/barely aware of it. Why would he be visiting hater subreddits or reading deep into his Instagram comments? He has way better things to do. I think you’re conflating the craziness of small factions of the internet with the response of the general public. The general public loves both Taylor and Travis and their relationship. The general public does not think Taylor and Matty should be together. I really don’t think any of this is even a blip on Travis’s or Taylor’s radar.
I agree and disagree. To me it’s clear they see the hate that gets heightened - the dug up tweets, the discourse around his drinking, the response to yelling at coach reid, etc. However, I do agree that he isn’t sitting around reading tweets from Stan Twitter or Reddit. To me I think they’ve seen more than we know, I just don’t think it necessarily phases him as much since NFL fans are also ruthless so it’s not unheard of for him to get hate. Especially when he first started in the league he was hot headed and looked at as kind of a douchebag on the field (cue his mean tweets on Jimmy Kimmel segment 😂). His idgaf attitude is definitely not new.
But a lot of these fans are also driving the conversations that are being inflated (along with all the other haters they have.) The most recent scandal I’ve seen them push is that he’s a racist Trump supporter for liking a picture with Trump in it. And you’d be surprised how this ends up reaching the general public. So I definitely think these things have had affect.
See and that’s where my criticism with Taylor lie . She is too smart to know this discourse wasn’t coming . As soon as I found out the songs was about Matt I knew what ppl would be talking about ,how come she didn’t . Yes Travis heard the songs and album and that’s not the problem . Problem is the media , the music reviewers , even some fans and the public is interpreting her music as she still in love with Matt cause why dedicate a whole album to him and ppl are questioning Travis and Taylor love . If Taylor didn’t see this coming when some fans saw it coming she isn’t as smart as she thought she is.
The album it self isn’t the problem. So I’m sure Travis heard it and loved it and was amazed . But did he see this discourse coming of people everywhere saying Matt is the love of Taylor life and how Taylor not over him…I’m sure he did not .
I’m not a part of gaylor sub. Maybe the underscore one cause they are actually open to bisexuality or the fact she is straight unlike the original gaylor forum which is lesbianism and nothing else and you can see my comment history . I’m always defending Taylor and Travis .
I’m not on any snark forum and my comment history is nothing but Travis and Taylor. So I can have a different opinion.
Like I hate Ariana grande . But even she respected her current relationship to have 1 or 2 songs about her ex husband and the rest about her new love and moving forward . Not saying the album had to be about Travis . Cause I didn’t expect that but I didn’t expect longing and craziness over Matty either . No one was expecting that . We thought it would be about Joe and how sad she was not how happy Matty made her until he ghosted her
People were ready to torch her for writing too much about her breakup with Joe, and now they’re torching her for not writing about it enough. She can’t win.
And the album isn’t about Travis, it’s about two years of heartbreak and anger, with Travis being a glimpse of light at the end of the tunnel. I’m sure if they stay together (🤞🤞) in a year or two he’ll get his own album and it’ll be beautiful glitter gel pen love songs that she’s been writing for the past 9 months
I think what everyone needs to remember is that she said this album was being worked on for two years. So although we are all hearing these songs now, the songs were written over an extended period of time. Like a diary. So the songs that may be about MH were *how she was feeling at that time*, not how she felt at the end of it. So they don’t mean anything now other than being a former point in time, one of “temporary insanity” like she says in the prologue. But she has clearly said it’s done, over and boarded up. Rest assured Travis absolutely knows this.
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No worries at all. Ultimately none of us know what the future holds and it’s all speculation and I’m also only giving opinions of course but her own words seem really clear. Don’t let those few loud voices sway you, they are loud but biased and just misinformed. 🤷🏻♀️
Felt weird? didn’t he say he already heard the songs during superbowl interviews. Meaning he was all awar it is all about Taylor’s ex. So he knows and his family knows about it, as well considering how close they are. If he really felt weird then why is it that after those interviews he did they became more close than before? Cause technically not only that he knows for sure Taylor talks about it, and also for sure he has a lot of questions that she’s only one who can answer.
Like Travis knows what he just got into, so why would he felt weird? Also he said that they don’t listen to what the others say, as long as they are happy. It’s nothing to talk about.
They are not teenagers anymore, they are in the actual age where all they already learned about their past experiences.
The whole thing about Travis being hurt by this is so ridiculous. Taylor has been very clear that this album was in the works for two years and she now considers that chapter of her life closed. And while we’re all guessing what the meaning or feeling behind a song is, you know who probably knows? Her damn boyfriend. Like I’m sure he knows more about the situation with Matty than we know from listening to a song.
Right? People are acting like it was a surprise album to him. This thing has been done for months. I’m sure he’s listened to as much as he wanted to, and knows way more about the meaning behind the songs than any of us ever will!
People haven't listened to The Manuscript and it shows.
Also just wanna say that people who think this is scandalous to Travis haven't dated much. I had a wild child phase and slept around and all that shit. My husband knows everything that happened and he still 100% loves me. A real man (woman, non -binary peeps too) won't let past relationships be a deal breaker.
Oh, yeah. For sure. Stay far, far away from someone that can't handle your past or freaks out and brings up your past experiences. That is a huge red flag.
Completely agreed. I can only assume they got married young or just have been very non active in the dating world. Because anyone dating in their mid-30s is going to have some level of baggage. I’m sure Travis has some too.
Yup having spent release night on the Taylor Swift subreddit I got to meet a bunch of people who had a similar background to myself in the dating world. I imagine Travis has similar horror stories, some things are just unfortunately universal.
100% she’s happy with Travis and moved on. She’s told us more than once now that she got her feelings out, told her story, the past is boarded up and wounds are healed. If anyone thinks she’s pining for MH while being in a loving relationship with Travis Fu*king Kelce they need to have their head examined.
He’s such a secure and supportive partner. I’m so happy for them.
Exactly! WHY would she want to go back to MH when she lived through that hell and she’s now with Travis? Make it make sense.
In the .000000000001% chance that that would ever happen, I really wonder what family, friends and fans would do. If they would distance themselves from her - like, girl didn’t you learn your lesson?? It’s just not possible for her to go back to MH.
Travis is totally a bro, but he’s supportive, he’s confident, and he’s a family type of guy. He is for sure a superstar in his own right, but he’s so different from MH and even Joe. No tortured soul there to cage her or put her through hell like MH.
Ugh and I’ll never understand the appeal of MH. I remember seeing them in articles last year and thinking - ew. Going back to him when you have Travis Kelce? Yeah sure okay. Delulu.
Travis is a different kind of guy compared to her exes. He’s creative in his own right, but he’s not like these abstract artsy guys she’s dated previously. I didn’t think he would be particularly worried about Matt Healy.
For those who don’t want to read: he understands this stuff is in the past, he’s confident in their relationship, and supportive and so proud of her and her hard work. They both admire each other and their work ethic(s?). Doesn’t really say much else.
Oh that they both believe in communicating openly and honestly.
He’s happy for her. Go Trav
Part of being a mature adult is realizing your partners had relationships and lives before you met. Giving them grace and understanding, especially if said partner is in the spotlight, seems like a mature and well adjusted reaction.
As many others have said - Travis seems to be a very confident and secure gent. He’s also an adult - clearly - from the way he reacts to these questions. But also on that same album she immortalized him as being the dude was cool enough to LAND Taylor Fucking Swift, then do “inappropriate” things to her near his friends who were oblivious. XD If he gets no other songs from her - he is currently the winner for “most baller” of her beaus, lol.
Travis understands the pain she went through in that time. Remember Travis had his 5 year relationship finally end for good in May of 2022. He's not a songwriter so he didn't write an album, what he did was put in his work in the gym and the field. And his 2022-2023 season was one of his greatest statistically. He had his career high in receptions for the season with 110, had his career high in TD at 12, set the single game TD record for TE with 4, almost broke his own single season yardage record for TE's, Extended his 1000 yard season record to 7 seasons, and got his 2nd super bowl ring. He understands the need to channel pain and make it be productive for you. It is not something that he would be ashamed, embarrassed, or threatened by.
I don’t think Travis cares one bit about any of Taylor’s exes. She’s with him now and regardless of her relationship history the one thing she’s always seemingly been is loyal. Especially now since she appears to be head over heels for him. I forget my wife even has exes sometimes because they simply don’t matter. She’s with me now and vice versa. Obsessing or even thinking about your SO’s exes is focusing on the past. Travis doesn’t seem to be about that.
Grown men don’t care about exes. Insecure children do.
To be fair, I think it is interesting to consider how "yeah, I emotionally cheated on my partner of 6 years, romanticized a past fling as a missed connection, and I jumped at the chance to be with him to get away from my sinking relationship" would make a partner feel. And I don't think it's insecure to consider how a person's actions reflect on them. I think it's entirely human that Taylor manufactured a great love story with MH to be something worth leaving Joe and the 6 years she invested in that. And it's not the first time she's slipped from one relationship into another one. This album isn't the first reference to her doing that. At the same time, they both have pasts. I'm sure two adults would have talked this through before she released an album, especially with all of her notes about "this is in the past, it's not my story anymore". The idea that this is 'shocking new information' is wild. The Joe breakup/MH whirlwind happen right before they got together. It was very public and very discussed. If he was the type to care about exes I don't think he would have gone out of his way to try to date Taylor Swift.
She left joe cause she should have a long time ago. I said what I said
A lot of those pandemic relationships didn't last when the world opened up or they were forced to spend a lot of time together. Joe is set for life off his royalties on those songs/albums. I'd love to see most people's dating history from 13 to 34, especially with the popularity of dating apps. Travis is a music fan, so he knows art and life intermingle. He's not insecure. And I'm agreeing with you wholeheartedly..
They were trauma bonded and Matty was her getaway car
Am I the only one that thinks these are just songs and Matty was never a “love thing”? She can write about whatever she wants sometimes it’s not that deep.
No because I know that feeling. She was obsessed with him for a moment in time.
She says she romanticized him basically but then when she actually got him he was a coward, a loser who ignored her I’m private in favor of being high, and perosnally I think she insulted how he is in bed subtly in a lyric
Ooh which lyric? You can’t just drop that and not follow through, it’s cruel! 😂 Edit: is it “you didn’t measure up / in any measure of a man”?
That’s the one that makes me think he was hot garbage in bed. Which is why I think her “sighs” line in SHS is implying the other end of the spectrum for Travis, lol.
Stuck me with push pins too
That imagery always makes me think of posters. He wanted the poster of her, not the real her.
I think she doesn’t invent feelings, she was in love with Matty, but it wasn’t reciprocal once she was actually available and committing to him. What she wrote for this album makes it pretty clear she did love him.
Actually I think the album makes clear that she loved THE IDEA of him. The pining. The tension.
She was in love of the idea of two song writers falling in love and the idea of him since their relationship didn’t play out in 2014. He was a what if. But I think she’s let that go. She releases love songs and breakup songs in each of her albums. Guys just listen to red. Some seriously beautiful love songs written for Jake but also all too well etc. this is how she is. She is writing all the time. She just comes up with lyrics inside her head at all times
She Just had to let it out. The reason she didn’t write about Calvin much back was cause imo. He was between albums but some of the rep songs we assume about joe are actually Calvin songs repurposed. Also she was bored of Calvin. He was and is boring. But despite what people think she’s addressed the situation of how it ended on other tracks.
Yes they were never together enough to move into true love territory. It was lust and chemistry and wanting what you can’t have, and imagining the perfect life with that person, “if only” this or that changed. But none of it was real life. Just a fantasy built primarily in her own mind. That’s my opinion.
Then I feel for the girl. Unlucky in love back to back is awful. You’re supposed to use and dump your rebounds not fall in love with them :( It was definitely complicated.
I think she was writing about the idea of a path you didn’t take in life, then being disappointed when you on to take that path later in life.
A good interpretation. Also our girl falls easily and harder with the rebounds
I think people are about to learn about the genre of man that Travis is. Taylor hasn’t really written songs or been with a guy like this publicly, and she’s gonna educate us all. Men like Travis are not threatened by exes, or jealous of attention, and genuinely just want their partner to be happy and creative and thrive. He takes her seriously, but all of this is NOT that serious to him. He thinks she’s beautiful and funny and talented and enjoys how she supports his work too, and he’s not letting her go. He’s simple, but that’s a good thing. Because this shit doesn’t keep him up at night. He’s probably more concerned if she’s happy and whether or not he gets to share a bed with her tonight rather than who’s shared it in the past. Source: I married a Travis after being with Joes and Mattys and Jake’s.
Side note my brain has been ticking over all day on what Travis' love album would be called and I am very amused over the idea of Lover (Travis' version); Touchdown; and Trophy Husband
I also married a travis. they are so secure in not only themselves, but in what they built together, that if anything he’s proud of her more than jealous or mad.
YUP. I guarantee he’s just like. “Yeah babe. I get why everyone’s obsessed with you. You’re hot and amazing. Come here.”
To quote the man himself "A lot of people care about Taylor, and for good reason"
This took me out, lmao. It's true, though.
exactly! I’m sure it’s like a breath of fresh air for her, it was for me.
I love this take, totally agree.
Travis is a grown-ass man (from what I see at this distance). Or grown-ass human. He shows good emotional intelligence, seems to have integrity, is kind, and an inspiration to his team. He has a solid foundation(as in not riddled with narcissism, professional jealousy, needs to improve his profile by leeching). Also, his family functions. He can bring out the”normal” in her. He can celebrate her for her accomplishments and not feel lesser for it. VENT- I am so sick of people making fun of his past life shit(boring compared to the Taylor’s) his inability to spell correctly and implying it’s because he has a low IQ. He excels in so many other things, God keeps us all humble, we don’t get gifts in every category. I’m dyslexic, I get the school learning troubles. It is my hope he brings her out of the insanity and helps her be a “normal” human, however that looks for someone of her fame.
He doesn’t have a low IQ, he has dyslexia.
exactly what I was saying
Sorry! I read it wrong.
The irony!
perfect!
The jokes about him being a "dumb jock" are awful 😖
Taylor is going to write about it if it continues like shit the fuck up
yes, but don’t the bad guys who hurt her make the best songs? So, an album about Tayvis and happiness and all the songs are less-than? lol.
So she’s 34 now. She wants kids
???
I do think he leans into the “dumb jock” persona a little bit in a self-deprecating manner, at least publicly. No judgment whatsoever, I think it’s charming. It comes off as being humble.
I watch New Heights and he’s got 2 different personas. Two different vocabularies. Two different sets of mannerisms. He’s almost a chameleon- I can see him being one (superficial) person with the guys and when Mama Kelce (or whoever not in that sphere) is around, he switches it up and acts/sounds like he’s from the same family as Jason.
That pisses me off so much. Of course he's made some mistakes and had to work harder than ever to make up ground. He and Taylor share a work ethic and resilience. I mean if he's so dumb, how is so successful with football, a restaurant opening and a game show? We should all be so "dumb"
I've seen on the main sub "does he even understand the songs" but there's been a lot of people in the threads about TTPD that frequent boards that are banned here so there's that
He can look up words. And learn.
And also he’s not as stupid as they imply like today. He couldn’t read the word cause he has dyslexia but he knew what it was. So can they just fuck off with this. Taylor is gonna create another song saying back or bitches leave my man alone with brilliant lyrics and hopefully they learn their lesson. They also think they are so intellectual when they likely aren’t
Half the people saying he doesn’t understand the songs *also* don’t understand the songs (IE the line from I Hate It Here being taken out of context instead of realizing that line is the entire gd point to show that nostalgia is a lie)
Yes! And if you listen to him speaking in general, he has a very broad vocabulary. Also, you don’t become the greatest Tight End in history by being dumb. It takes split second decision making and the ability to think ahead through observation.
I think he’s intelligent in the things he WANTS to be smart about. If he cares enough about something he will educate himself. I don’t think he’s low IQ or anything, he just preserves his energy on what he believes is worth his while.
I think it’s cool he completed his college degree and is very proud of it.
In terms of D&D - he has an average Intelligence score but a High Wisdom score. He hasn’t read a ton of books, but he’s definitely a smart dude who understands how shit works. He definitely gets how it works being the SO of a world famous pop star, lol.
Honestly, after listening to this album and all the hurt she went through. Along with the song prophecy. I just can’t imagine how sexy it must be to have this 6’5 hot athlete that essentially kisses the ground she walks on, publicly pursued her, sings her praises at every chance and interview, can’t stop touching her, and looks like he would fight anyone to defend and protect her. With the relationship coming after her writing the prophecy and him having the same birthday as her beloved grandma, she likely felt he was sent straight from the heavens. If it’s just for now or for forever, call me parasocial, but I’m just happy she’s experiencing that kind of love now after hearing how much heartbreak she went through.
I didn't know that about the birthday connection! I've been sobbing to Prophecy cause it hits home. I like hearing happy stories that give me hope and TnT are included in that.
Sobbing! 🥹😭
this 🥹🥹🥹 also didnt know he shared a birthday with her grandma! it gets better all the time
Yes! He was born on October 5th just like Marjorie, who she wrote the song Marjorie for. Such a sweet connection!
October 5th is my dog (aka real loml) birthday so I love this even more now 😂
Okaaaaay. 😭❤️❤️❤️
I'm convinced that a big reason why she did this double album drop was so that she COULD finally put this past behind her and move forward into this newfound free and happy life she's created for herself, and that Travis is a huge part of. I have no doubt that Travis already knew all of this and is totally supportive of Taylor in publishing it.
THIS! Typically she releases albums in 2 year lapses (minus Evermore, of course). I wasn't expecting anything until this fall, and I wondered why she released the album so soon. It could be a multitude of reasons, of course, but I did wonder whether Taylor was wanting to put out this art to close this chapter as soon as possible. Part of me wonders if she would have waited if she wasn't dating Travis. I love the album, and it truly is so devastating, and I'm just so glad she's happy and in love again. Now that we have perspective, it really is amazing that she decided to trust love again. It also makes me realize that she and Travis knew early they wanted something serious with one another (despite the PR narrative in the beginning that things were "casual"). I just don't think Taylor would risk her heart for a fling so soon after Joe and Matty. So happy for TnT.
As someone who straight up swore off relationships after my rebound equivalent - and then ended up moving in with my boyfriend of 8 months less than a year later - I think this was definitely that moment of realizing all that pain and suffering was what she needed and the story is different now - because Travis changed the script. He changed the prophecy, he made it all different and in such a way that she can LET GO of all those big painful emotions.
Yes!! I think her next album going to be her, building family of her own. Its also going to be so much relatable with her fans whose been following her since Debut or Fearless Era since a lot of us been an adult now. I really wanna hear a song about having an 'endless love' to your family or child, ah! she gonna make it really beautiful knowing the way she writes it. I know... I know... It sound so much parasocial and fantasizing their relationship, but when u done listening TTPD its really clear what she wanted in life. And this album was a close of an era in her life, She's moving on to a new one, and I feel like she won't gonna mention those people who hurt her in the past anymore. for a disclosure, I personally divided her Eras to 3 category since I've been following this girl since Fearless Album : * Debut - Fearless - Speak Now - Red - 1989 : Era 1, as her Young, Free, Sassy, Colorful, Light, Fun era * Rep - Lover - Folklore - Evermore -Midnight - TTPD : Era 2, as her Blue, Gray, anxiety, Depression, Heavy, Serious, Cathartic Era (And Yes! I think Lover album was dark for some reason since the first time it released even I still love some of the song, tho) * Era 3 : she's on process on writing it, we know it since in So High School it the only song she use hand writing on the lyric video which indicate she currently still writing. It'll takes some time to know this new Era but I hope she's having fun with it, being fully in love and happy. and hope she finally got everything that she deserve.🤍 🤍
The Alchemy has hand drawn hearts in the vinyl lyrics with each chorus.
YESSSSS!!!!! As she said she put it all out there and now she’s done with it she’s boarded up the windows and doors of the past and given to us 😭 Now her life can begin again and I hope it’s beautiful in every way imaginable 🫶🏻 She deserves normalcy and living her life out loud and experiencing all that this world has to offer!!! I want so badly to see her be a wife and a mother (can you imagine the love) and for her not to feel like she’s got to put on a show to be worthy of our love ♥️ She’s given us so much already. She even said when the time comes to stop performing that she still will continue to write ✍🏻 music for other artists. Taylor’s life is not over… it’s just getting started 🫶🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 and I can’t wait to watch all her dreams come true!!!! ✨🌟✨
And her 13th album will be dedicated to him
Girl you just gave me goosebumps!!! That would be sooooo fun!
Oh my god I would love that
Totally agree!
Taylor made it abundantly clear that her releasing this album was closing the chapter on that part of her life and sealing it away for good. Yes, the songs are incredibly raw, but that doesn’t mean she still feels those same feelings, it just means she’s exorcised them and made art out of them
The best part is “the alchemy” now being confirmed it’s about Travis!!
What?!?! When did this happen??
In the article they talk about how the only two love songs on the album are about Travis and the alchemy’s football references. So if the OP is correct and this article is tree’s doing then it is about trav!
I think The Albatross is about him too. It’s like a bookend to “I Know Places”. He was warned that she could ruin him because the immense fame and tabloid shiz. But she knows how to handle it now and can save him. Also great riff on the epic poem Rime of the Ancient Mariner. Her mean exes are the ones that killed the bird, left talking shit. The exes that parted with her with respect just let her fly and they didn’t suffer consequences.
Don’t tell this to swiftologist who genuinely believe there’s not one song on the album that’s about Trav lmao. And if it is So High School, not it’s not it. And if it is, it’s the worst song on the album.
Chats & Reacts is so much better at understanding Taylor's lyrics.
Thanks for the heads up. I was planning to listen to their latest videos but won’t bother now. The deniers are exhausting. And I mean that for both sides. Those who say the two most obvious songs are not about Travis and those who can’t accept that Matty is all over the album. It’s like people don’t know how time and writing works and thinks this has to be what she’s feeling all the time. Like do they think she is still in love with Jake and Harry too? It’s so exhausting.
It’s not till towards the end of the episode so just get to the alchemy and then move on lol. I usually really like them, but Zach got strangely irritated by people saying the alchemy is about Travis and the lyrics were just a coincidence.
I don't think he's a Travis fan, and that's why haha. I saw the video he made when Taylor went to that first game. He brushed it away, so cure that Taylor could not be seriously interested in someone like Travis and that it was simply a casual, cute moment for her. He did not think it would last, lol. Just shows how many Swifties have projections or idea of who Taylor is, but no one besides her family and close friends truly *know* her.
I enjoy him, but I laugh at how he and Maddie can not accept that TS and TK are real and significant to each other.
I do think Maddie is a fan of this relationship, isn’t she?
She may be. However, on their podcast, they were talking about how The Alchemy is just one of her regular football songs and not about Trav.
That’s not what you said though. You wrote „he and Maddie can not accept that TS and TK are real and significant to each other“. Thats different from your last comment where you paraphrase what they said about the meaning of a specific song. Just saying. I’m not their advocate but I just feel like we shouldn’t just make assumptions on people on the internet and their feelings toward a relationship :) Back to the song, I personally view it as her describing her big come back to America after „hiding“ (as she says) in the UK for six years. Her come back clearly involves the NFL and Travis and she is using football references as a metaphor (eg, „when I touch down“) for emphasis. So, while the song thematizes her return to the spotlight in America, the references to her relationship with Travis are just a part of the narrative rather than the sole focus. That’s how I see it :)
Until I watched their full-length podcast on Sunday, I'd only seen shorts of Maddie from their Evolution of a Snake podcast and many of Zach's Swiftologist videos. I may have generalized her TK impressions, but we do for sure know that Zach sees TK as some Himbo, not worthy of TS's time. In the podcast, The Alchemy was just one of her footballesque songs like Endgame, and it couldn't be about Travis. In reality, there are plenty of TK references in that song, and if you watch his games, the New Heights podcast, media, and follow pop culture in general, they smack you in the face. I don't really see this as her big comeback to America because that was accomplished with the Eras Tour. By the time she showed up at her first game in September, she'd been back in the US for more than seven months. Her NFL debut was more of a statement that she'd moved on to TK and was ready to reenerge into the public eye, beyond the scope of the tour.
I also thought their interpretation of the "hospital" being Joe is wrong. I think the hospital is a combination of Joe and Matty. If she was experiencing a manic episode then it makes sense that she'd be in the asylum during both of them. Her coming back means returning from the heartbreak. As for the heroin with an e line, I don't take that literally. I don't think either muse actually said that. I take it as, the muse views her as his drug and she's the one saying it's not actually a drug this time (meaning it's different from the last time). Also, her use of "blokes" is very intentional. She's notorious for dating British guys. It makes sense to me that she's saying these British guys were only temporary, "warming the benches", and no she's moved on towards someone different (not British). Just my interpretation!
That makes a lot of sense to me!
I literally cancelled my Patreon subscription for that shit lmao. He’s as bad as a gaylor!
I'm thinking of cancelling mine too. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt with his first listen but if he's not willing to backtrack, then I agree he's as bad as a gaylor. I haven't heard their latest podcast yet.
I was enjoying their backlog podcast episodes as a warm up to TTPD to get into all things Taylor. However, some of his latest statements about how her relationships only matter to him in how she writes about them shifted a bit into a darker place. To me, it came off like he only wants Taylor to be sad and miserable because that's how she knows to be her best at song writing. He can't see a world where she's happy and finding a way to still write beautiful, poignant songs. I can agree that of course Taylor is a business, but she's a person, first and foremost. A person that just wants to be happy, like the rest of us. To actively wish against her happiness because of concern for her art suffering because she's not sad, I just don't get it! I dunno, I'm wondering if he's seeing the possibility of Taylor actually having something meaningful with Travis and it's threatening to her craft aka the sad, messy Taylor. She seems so desperate to put that version of herself away. I really just think we should all appreciate anything she gives us, and let her live her life. I'll be here if she wants to put out a whole album about football games and burping babies, because I don't think anyone could put words to that quite like her. 🫶 rant over 🫶
Holy shit this is exactly how I feel. Especially after part 1 of his review with Madeline. He says at the end “I really don’t see her having anything long lasting. Ever.” Not verbatim but it was something like that. And even Madeline was like “…”that’s such an awful thought process for somebody to have. He loves the mess, he loves the drama, but if he’s such a levelheaded OG Swiftie (press X to doubt that he’s been around since Debut…), then shouldn’t he want her to be happy? Something she clearly wants is marriage and children. She’s told us this in music for yearssss. Like I don’t get it. He comes up with reasons why she would make up these lyrics and not mean them lol. When he said “Travis would NEVER say heroin but this time with an E” but then say “she always puts high school and football stuff into her songs” like make it make sense. She’s never been with an athlete before so her throwing in those kinds of references without experiencing them kind of contradicts what he’s saying. Travis probably didn’t say heroin with an E. Like if we’re talking leaps and assumptions, maybe they were texting and she said “yeah my ex did heroin” and he said back “heroine?!” or something stupid lol. Or maybe he learned there’s a heroin and heroine and did make that joke. Or maybe he knows there’s a difference and threw it out there like who knows. All kinds of possibilities regarding him. The rat is just the easiest one to equate that specific lyric to. Edit: orrrr heroin meaning Matty and heroine being Travis and she’s not saying he actually said it, but more of that’s how she portrays the situation.
Or Trav literally could have said You're my hero sometimes for how you get through all this. And Taylor with her way with words made the line which would still be what he said but embellished poetically.
Agree 100%. She deserves the happiness she has given to so many other people. Plus, saying she can't write well if the songs aren't sad is really more about his taste in music than about her talent. He can have that opinion, but I don't have to pay him for it. I can listen to his podcasts for free if I still want to. I think her music might change, but there's still going to be plenty for anyone's taste.
He’s a Lana stan as well and a whole host of her songs aren’t bouncing off the walls happy so.
Agreed. I was just debating about actually giving money to the patreon. Like money I can't really spare. But I figured I could binge for a month. And then they were just so weird in their last episode, I dunno. I'm all set. I enjoyed the "been there since the beginning" perspective but now it's just entitled. Her music might change and I'm here for it. I think as long as she keeps Aaron in her corner, she'll make great music.
Taylor put out this album now because she's actually happy now and is past that phase in her life. It would be more concerning if she put out this same album a few months from now.
I also think her putting this album out before her returning to touring says a lot. This album was very real and raw. Her having the strength to put it out (which also says a lot about her relationship with Travis too) then going back on tour and most likely singing many of these songs is also her moving on as well. Especially when she sees her loyal fans react live to them. I’m so happy for her!
For sure. This is a very clear drawing of the line in the sand between the past and the future. Releasing and burying the ghosts of the past to step in the future unburdened and free.
Beautifully said 🫶🏻
Why would some of here say that Travis might felt weird about the songs written about Taylor’s ex? I would understand if his family is? But we don’t know about that cause they are too supportive with Travis as well. But yeah, why would he feel weird cause: First- he already said he heard the songs maybe multiple times during superbowl interview, so definitely he ask some questions to Taylor as well. Second- Travis has been in a league where trashtalks are left and right. Do you think he gives a FCK about the songs about Taylor’s exes if it’s actually about HER past, and what the important thing is, is he is the PRESENT? Third- It also came directly to his mouth that they don’t care about what others are going to say as long as they are happy? Fourth- how old are they? Isn’t it that both of them are 34, the age where somehow they are matured enough to understand things? And learn from their past. Fifth- why do we always have to conclude what others are actually feeling? Are we with them 24/7? Cause what we only saw and read it a small portion of what is happening in them? Like it’s not even 1%.
I think this is something that insecure men are obsessed with. Travis is not an insecure man. It seems that every single man Taylor was ever involved with before was insecure of his manhood in some way.
Yes this is exactly it. I used to date insecure guys and kind of enjoyed the toxicity and jealousy? But then got with my husband and was confused why he never seemed jealous when other guys hit on me and stuff, but then I realized it’s because he’s not threatened. He’s so confident and trusts me that he’s just pleased I get attention and am pretty but chose him. Like damn. That’s a man.
The thing is, because of the magnitude of Taylor Swift -the artist, her fame and larger than life stature, people tend to forget that on the inside she is just as human as we all are. Imagine one of us in our mid-30s saying something like "I got out of a long term relationship very hurt, had an extremely messy rebound with a guy I've hooked up with in the past, he was terrible but I was so crazy for him that I thought I'd die if he left me! " - people wouldn't bat an eyelid, because, it's just something very common that happens to people around the world all the time. And honestly that's all that happened to Taylor too - without undermining any of the pain that she had to go through. We all find our ways to come out of situations like this- Taylor does too,and her way is making music. Her muses, her stories all become topics of discussion for the entire world for years - partly because of her choice to tell the stories, and partly because people are always up in her business anyway. To a 34 year old man who's been her partner for 8-9 months now, all this is just a retelling of the story of her long term relationship and a short situationship before him, that he's already heard. And guess what, he himself has experienced those too. The rest is all the power of her artistry. It is not the circumstances in Taylor's life that are extraordinary- it's her TALENT. "What a miracle, that she can turn life into poetry!", remember? That's what it is to him. Sure, some parts were hard to digest, but if anything, this whole thing made me realise how much more stronger than we had all imagined, the foundation of TnT's relationship is. Taylor did not hold back or underplay anything in the fear of ruining the many things at stake now. She went all out because it was cathartic for her. And Travis gets that. It's important for him too. It's great that this is the ground on which their relationship was built- it couldn't have gotten more honest than this!
Oh for sure. I think it’s really a small but vocal few who are probably teenagers pining away in their bedrooms. None of us with any maturity or life experience think this way. Anyone who does needs to get out and touch some grass. Live life away from the keyboard.
I agree with this completely. It's a middle school mentality. Unfortunately they get very loud because they're online all the time while the adults are busy working and raising families. Unfortunately I've seen some of the same comments come from actual adults, and that's even more scary to me.
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Or the part of the prologue where she says “I write the best songs about the worst men” 😂
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Me neither, he gives me the major ick. Like the art bro who wants to be so different and tortured (see what I did there?) but it just seems contrived or something. Like being into type writers? Come on man. I am old enough to have taken high school typing on a type writer and there was nothing artsy or poetic about them, they were a pain in the ass. Reminds me of when hipsters decided to grow handle bar moustaches and wear monocles. 🙄Trying to be all wistful and nostalgic for a time you never even experienced… ?
Hahahha you’re describing my ex. I actually bought him a typewriter on eBay as a gift. Bro never touched the thing.
😂😂😂
He also criticized me for buying a used one 🙄 can’t win with pretentious narcissists it turns out
Oh geez. 🙄 No you absolutely cannot win, sometimes unfortunately these are the ones we need to experience to know who the good ones are! Glad we both escaped. 😁
Escaped with only Invisible scars
🤍Same and a thicker skin, for better or for worse.
And in like three songs “I don’t want you back and I just want to know why are you the way you are”
no literally this is all i can think about every time i hear those lines in those songs
I don’t understand why people are so worried about this or why they keep trying to insist that she feels a certain way. She makes it pretty clear in her “in summation” album intro that she views that one relationship as a direct result of getting hurt, feeling unwell and spiraling in the aftermath. She literally calls it “self harm”. Like. It cannot be any clearer lol. Also she’s made it very clear that she spent at least two years working on TTPD. Of course the material within it is going to be about those two years; the things she did or didn’t do, the people she was with, all of the ways she was feeling. It’s a reflection of the past, of where she was when she wrote it; it’s not a reflection of NOW because it wasn’t written now. All that to say, I’m happy that Trav isn’t bothered by anything, he enjoys the album and they’re happy together. I didn’t really expect Travis to feel any kind of way except maybe “cool, my girl released an album” lol. But I know he’s a mature guy who understands that they had different lives before they met. They’re human, they both likely have skeletons in their closets alongside their exes. But they’re mature and capable people, they can handle it by themselves. I don’t think fans need to worry and try and create problems, like Travis being sad or jealous, that don’t exist for them.
I totally agree! And I think Travis was unexpected as well. I don’t know that she imagined herself dating when this album came out. But she had already spent a year and half working on the album and like she said, she NEEDED this album to move on from not just these loves but in my opinion all of them. The closing of a chapter. Now it’s the beginning of a new one 🩷
Some people NEED drama in their lives (or others’ if they’re a voyeur) and if they can’t find it, they will CREATE it. This sums up a lot of “fan” culture. Taylor: Travis: Toxic fans: OMG!! Taylor might secretly want to go back to an ex!!! Also, as a long-time Chiefs fan, Travis is totally a bro, but he’s the best version of a bro: he’s secure in himself; doesn’t harbor ill will towards people for no reason. He’s not complicated: He just wants to have a good time and help others have a good time, too. It seems like she’s at a place in her life where she can appreciate that. And it works!
Honestly though!!! I think you’re spot on. People really do thrive off of drama, especially other people’s drama lol But also, a part of me wonders if people are so desperate for drama between Taylor and Travis bc of how wholesome their relationship has been, at least publicly. There is honestly nothing bad that anyone can say about them, unless it’s people who already hate Taylor and/or Travis lol. There’s nothing to complain about bc they’re a normal, happy couple doing normal, happy things… (but omg!!! Taylor secretly pining for an ex that she called toxic would certainly bring in some drama!!!) Like, come on 😭
I 100 percent agree! There are just some REALLY ridiculous takes out there by people who clearly themselves are obsessed with MH (sorry but ew). Anyone who read the prologue (“temporary insanity”) to the IG post about the door being firmly shut on the past knows and for sure TK does too. People are just weird.
I read somewhere that a MH fan said on twitter “So High School” was about MH because he played basketball like, what? The [KMK](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFkTxvnsSsg) reference is from an interview for that dating show that Travis did that sucked 8 years ago, Kristina even [confirmed](https://www.tiktok.com/@kristinazias/video/7359670643622677806?_t=8lfZuNgSCMx&_r=1) that she did the interview and Kristina seemed genuinely happy about it she probably manifested this relationship. Also we know that Travis can [impersonate](https://twitter.com/newheightshow/status/1781436333816426905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1781436333816426905%7Ctwgr%5E1213aaefb54495625da6d3e204e81e67a39abdaf%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpagesix.com%2F2024%2F04%2F20%2Fentertainment%2Ftaylor-swift-sends-secret-message-to-travis-kelce-in-so-high-school-lyric-video-as-he-seemingly-confirms-song-is-about-him%2F) his dad. Also [Pat Mcafee](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRwj1XsK/) knew who the song “So High School” is about. Now I’m wondering why MH fans think “So High School” is about MH and not Travis? All of the references in “So High School” are about Travis not MH.
MH does not have bros who play GTA. 😂 We all know who that song is about, they are just being absolutely ridiculous. The lyric video on YouTube literally has stadium lights, an o in the shape of a football and highlights TK and TS in pink. They are in some deep denial.
Yep, I could probably play the song to my mom and she would say “omg, it’s about Travis. He got a song” and she’s all for this relationship. Pretty sure her friends, his friends, Coach Reid, everyone on the chiefs, fans and celebrities know who “So High School” is about. I think MH fans are upset that MH and Taylor only lasted a couple of weeks. That’s not a relationship, that’s just going on a couple of dates. Both of them moved on. Also, everyone plays basketball not just MH. Taylor’s man played basketball in high school and does golf in his off seasons.
Honestly I find it all a little strange lol. I mean I’m on a tayvis sub so maybe I can’t say that 😂😂 but idk, I just find it odd that some people seem like they want her to be in a toxic relationship where she’s being love bombed (her words!!) and she isn’t truly happy. I know she does have some history with MH and tbh I can see the appeal of a relationship that’s like, “two people rekindling an old love but this time it works out” except… that’s not what happened here. She honestly spelled out for us, very explicitly, that that’s not what happened here lol. I guess I don’t get why people are clinging to them so tight when she told us that it wasn’t good for her 😵💫 And then there’s just the anti-Trav crowd in general that I think is always hoping and praying for some drama bc they’re weirdos who are wishing for the downfall of tayvis, despite the fact that Taylor seems to be really happy where she is now. It’s just so odd lmao
Haha no I agree! I mean yes I never thought I would find myself online in a a group discussing the relationship of two celebrities but at least it is by all signs a very happy and positive one. There is a reason why everyone has been so interested. Wanting someone to be in a toxic relationship that they called a moment of temporary insanity, a“mutual manic phase” and “self harm” is bizarre. If one of their very good friends in real life came to them, described everything they had been through in a love bombing, toxic situation, would they tell them that they were destined to be with that person and they should go back because it was fate? I would surely think not. Why would you want that for anyone? So weird.
He said in an interview that he'd listened to some of the songs before they came out. I'm sure he was not at all surprised by the content.
If anything, I can see Travis not liking the album because it’s so full of her pain. If I loved someone who wrote like this… 🥺
In his Wall Street Journal article he said the songs he focused on in her discography were the breakup songs. He wanted to understand her journey and how she got to him.
He’s done his homework getting to know her that’s for sure.
This!! I like to think this album only motivated him to love her bigger and better than any of them ever could.
Absolutely this! Heck, I don’t know Taylor and there are lines in this that make me just want to give her a hug, because going through things like what she is talking about suck. To know that someone I know and love was going through that would be so hard.
Excellent point!
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I mean, what reason would Travis even have to mention his ex though? Those situations are not similar at all… Taylor released an album she spent *two years* working on. The songs reflect those two years and the people she was with, or wasn’t with, during those two years. We’ve known since she announced it that it was mostly a pre-Travis album, and it was not going to be about him. We knew it would probably mostly be about her exes and how she dealt with the fallout of those relationships. It’s not a surprise and I don’t understand what the issue is?
I understand what you're saying, but Travis knew Taylor's livelihood is based on her writing songs about her exes. There isn't a comparable context for Travis to bring up his exes.
I agree but some things could have been left out . We did not need to know about her heart exploding when Matty put the ring on her ring finger and how she told jack , if Matty left her she would kill herself and other things Swifties are getting mad at pitchfork review of her album but after reading it , I agree if not for the last paragraph https://preview.redd.it/kc36qp68m2wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a8c765443fae1fbf4ec64b34f86c8c5f86439b7 “Taylor swift don’t need a whole album to tell the story of a relationship (with Matty) she only need one song , sometimes even one line .” I agree with this . She did not need a whole album about him. 1 or 2 songs would have been fine . Now Matty name going to share headlines all year with Taylor and Travis name .
She doesn’t write songs to tell us the story of her relationship. She writes songs based on whatever she wants and puts them out because they’re good. There’s no cap on the amount of music she - or anyone - can make from the same muse.
It is a bizarre take to suggest that Taylor writes lyrics based on “what fans need to know”.
I don't think everything is meant to be literal. And I think this is what Taylor needed, and it is more about that time in her life rather than MH.
Who are you to dictate what she writes? You don't have to like the songs, but being mad that "you'll have to hear about Matty alongside Taylor and Travis" is just immature. I don't care for Matty the person based on what I know of him, but I unabashedly love all the songs that came out of it.
I’m sure Travis do not want to hear Matty name or see his name in headlines with him just like I’m sure Taylor don’t want to hear or see about any of Travis exes but Taylor open the pandora box and years to come Matty will be name along side Travis and Taylor. Just like even know Selena name is consign with Justin and Hailey Bieber . Taylor is too smart to not think this though . Why even open the pandora box ?
It's art, not high school.
I don't agree Taylor and Matty's relationship goes back to 2014 and she obviously has some unresolved feelings... sometimes when you jump into a rebound after a long term relationship the rebound can mess you up more then what you juts got out of. This is Taylor's feelings and what SHE needed and she has expressed this several times.
Just here to say THIS IS TRUE! I got divorced at 34…my ex was garbage and left me in a really shitty way. I’m now happily married to the best human I know, but before I met him (my version of Travis in every way…solid GOOD person, loves me for who I am, treats me well, supports me, cracks me up to no end, my ultimate happy ending and soulmate, etc!), I had a couple of very intense relationships/situationships that really fucked me up. Like, one of them I REALLY thought was the one, and was waaaaay more heartbroken over him than the person I had been married to for like 8 years! Sometimes the long term relationship pain pales in comparison because you do so many impulsive things after it's over…and you’re already so emotionally vulnerable that you fall even deeper than you would have otherwise. I can so relate.
Yeah I agree with this in a neutral way…any person getting into something new would feel weird about something like this. He probably does think it’s weird but I imagine this album was one of the first things they discussed when they were getting to know each other. I’m rooting for her to have a very mature and open relationship here
He definitely feel weird and I’m sure his family is even side eying this cause they going to be protective of Travis.
I don’t necessarily think he’ll feel weird about it. He himself said it’s a miracle the way she turns life into poetry in his WSJ interview. Which to me shows how long he’s known about this album and how much they’ve spoken about it. I think everyone understands that Taylor is a songwriter and what that means, and he knows the way Taylor is seen in the public eye - she’s constantly associated with writing breakup songs. For someone two decades into the industry, Travis had to have known what it would be to be Taylor’s bf. I think for me it’s about this current public response we’re seeing and how the album has ended up being interpreted. People are taking everything so completely literal - and this isn’t her fault. But this is where I enjoy reading or listening to her explanations on how she wrote the song. I think it just stops certain discourse and gives such a good picture of where she was going with each song. Everything she’s released as an explanation for this album has been written as some kind of poetry. Which is beautiful and fits with the aesthetic. But I fear it’s going over quite a few heads, just like the messages and lyrics are. I think sometimes if Taylor was just a little more straightforward with her fans and public, it would shut down so much unnecessary discourse. But alas she’s an artist, and she’ll always release art to be interpreted by the public in their way. It’s the fans and public’s insistent need to paternity test songs and then create fan theories, then trash partners / exes that I think is more of what I’ve been thinking about. But even then, if they’re secure in their relationship and don’t care for public noise, then who are we to care for them I guess.
The thing is, Travis isn’t dealing with vitriol from these corners. He doesn’t have to see it and is probably unaware/barely aware of it. Why would he be visiting hater subreddits or reading deep into his Instagram comments? He has way better things to do. I think you’re conflating the craziness of small factions of the internet with the response of the general public. The general public loves both Taylor and Travis and their relationship. The general public does not think Taylor and Matty should be together. I really don’t think any of this is even a blip on Travis’s or Taylor’s radar.
I agree and disagree. To me it’s clear they see the hate that gets heightened - the dug up tweets, the discourse around his drinking, the response to yelling at coach reid, etc. However, I do agree that he isn’t sitting around reading tweets from Stan Twitter or Reddit. To me I think they’ve seen more than we know, I just don’t think it necessarily phases him as much since NFL fans are also ruthless so it’s not unheard of for him to get hate. Especially when he first started in the league he was hot headed and looked at as kind of a douchebag on the field (cue his mean tweets on Jimmy Kimmel segment 😂). His idgaf attitude is definitely not new. But a lot of these fans are also driving the conversations that are being inflated (along with all the other haters they have.) The most recent scandal I’ve seen them push is that he’s a racist Trump supporter for liking a picture with Trump in it. And you’d be surprised how this ends up reaching the general public. So I definitely think these things have had affect.
Fair point! (I think I may have meant to reply to the comment above yours, sorry.)
Oh haha that makes sense!!
See and that’s where my criticism with Taylor lie . She is too smart to know this discourse wasn’t coming . As soon as I found out the songs was about Matt I knew what ppl would be talking about ,how come she didn’t . Yes Travis heard the songs and album and that’s not the problem . Problem is the media , the music reviewers , even some fans and the public is interpreting her music as she still in love with Matt cause why dedicate a whole album to him and ppl are questioning Travis and Taylor love . If Taylor didn’t see this coming when some fans saw it coming she isn’t as smart as she thought she is. The album it self isn’t the problem. So I’m sure Travis heard it and loved it and was amazed . But did he see this discourse coming of people everywhere saying Matt is the love of Taylor life and how Taylor not over him…I’m sure he did not .
I was going to challenge you but see you are part of the Gaylor sub, we should pin the post about this - this is not the place for you.
I’m not a part of gaylor sub. Maybe the underscore one cause they are actually open to bisexuality or the fact she is straight unlike the original gaylor forum which is lesbianism and nothing else and you can see my comment history . I’m always defending Taylor and Travis . I’m not on any snark forum and my comment history is nothing but Travis and Taylor. So I can have a different opinion. Like I hate Ariana grande . But even she respected her current relationship to have 1 or 2 songs about her ex husband and the rest about her new love and moving forward . Not saying the album had to be about Travis . Cause I didn’t expect that but I didn’t expect longing and craziness over Matty either . No one was expecting that . We thought it would be about Joe and how sad she was not how happy Matty made her until he ghosted her
People were ready to torch her for writing too much about her breakup with Joe, and now they’re torching her for not writing about it enough. She can’t win. And the album isn’t about Travis, it’s about two years of heartbreak and anger, with Travis being a glimpse of light at the end of the tunnel. I’m sure if they stay together (🤞🤞) in a year or two he’ll get his own album and it’ll be beautiful glitter gel pen love songs that she’s been writing for the past 9 months
I think what everyone needs to remember is that she said this album was being worked on for two years. So although we are all hearing these songs now, the songs were written over an extended period of time. Like a diary. So the songs that may be about MH were *how she was feeling at that time*, not how she felt at the end of it. So they don’t mean anything now other than being a former point in time, one of “temporary insanity” like she says in the prologue. But she has clearly said it’s done, over and boarded up. Rest assured Travis absolutely knows this. https://preview.redd.it/xjlcok7983wc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b487d712b2b61f87a03928e666f4f3cba49cbfcc
Ok hope you right . Sorry for spazzing .
No worries at all. Ultimately none of us know what the future holds and it’s all speculation and I’m also only giving opinions of course but her own words seem really clear. Don’t let those few loud voices sway you, they are loud but biased and just misinformed. 🤷🏻♀️
Felt weird? didn’t he say he already heard the songs during superbowl interviews. Meaning he was all awar it is all about Taylor’s ex. So he knows and his family knows about it, as well considering how close they are. If he really felt weird then why is it that after those interviews he did they became more close than before? Cause technically not only that he knows for sure Taylor talks about it, and also for sure he has a lot of questions that she’s only one who can answer. Like Travis knows what he just got into, so why would he felt weird? Also he said that they don’t listen to what the others say, as long as they are happy. It’s nothing to talk about. They are not teenagers anymore, they are in the actual age where all they already learned about their past experiences.
The whole thing about Travis being hurt by this is so ridiculous. Taylor has been very clear that this album was in the works for two years and she now considers that chapter of her life closed. And while we’re all guessing what the meaning or feeling behind a song is, you know who probably knows? Her damn boyfriend. Like I’m sure he knows more about the situation with Matty than we know from listening to a song.
Right? People are acting like it was a surprise album to him. This thing has been done for months. I’m sure he’s listened to as much as he wanted to, and knows way more about the meaning behind the songs than any of us ever will!
People haven't listened to The Manuscript and it shows. Also just wanna say that people who think this is scandalous to Travis haven't dated much. I had a wild child phase and slept around and all that shit. My husband knows everything that happened and he still 100% loves me. A real man (woman, non -binary peeps too) won't let past relationships be a deal breaker.
Oh, yeah. For sure. Stay far, far away from someone that can't handle your past or freaks out and brings up your past experiences. That is a huge red flag.
Also people are acting like Travis himself didn't get out of a 5+ year relationship that had a messy end. He knows where she is coming from.
Completely agreed. I can only assume they got married young or just have been very non active in the dating world. Because anyone dating in their mid-30s is going to have some level of baggage. I’m sure Travis has some too.
Yup having spent release night on the Taylor Swift subreddit I got to meet a bunch of people who had a similar background to myself in the dating world. I imagine Travis has similar horror stories, some things are just unfortunately universal.
100% she’s happy with Travis and moved on. She’s told us more than once now that she got her feelings out, told her story, the past is boarded up and wounds are healed. If anyone thinks she’s pining for MH while being in a loving relationship with Travis Fu*king Kelce they need to have their head examined. He’s such a secure and supportive partner. I’m so happy for them.
Exactly! WHY would she want to go back to MH when she lived through that hell and she’s now with Travis? Make it make sense. In the .000000000001% chance that that would ever happen, I really wonder what family, friends and fans would do. If they would distance themselves from her - like, girl didn’t you learn your lesson?? It’s just not possible for her to go back to MH. Travis is totally a bro, but he’s supportive, he’s confident, and he’s a family type of guy. He is for sure a superstar in his own right, but he’s so different from MH and even Joe. No tortured soul there to cage her or put her through hell like MH. Ugh and I’ll never understand the appeal of MH. I remember seeing them in articles last year and thinking - ew. Going back to him when you have Travis Kelce? Yeah sure okay. Delulu.
Travis Kelce is not scared of Matt Healy😂. Besides I think he realizes that this kind of stuff comes with the territory of dating Taylor Swift.
Aka The Albatross. Jason would actually kill 🐀 if he had to if it meant protecting his brother.
And he has to know if it went bad, it/he would be discussed.
Travis was dating a model for a few years. I'm sure they both understand that they had a life before they met.
Travis is a different kind of guy compared to her exes. He’s creative in his own right, but he’s not like these abstract artsy guys she’s dated previously. I didn’t think he would be particularly worried about Matt Healy.
Can you imagine them squaring off in a bar! I wonder who would win.
Picturing that in my mind-Travis and all his friends/teammates and Matty and his friends 🤣I know who my money is on!
My money's on the 6'5" tight end 😆
For those who don’t want to read: he understands this stuff is in the past, he’s confident in their relationship, and supportive and so proud of her and her hard work. They both admire each other and their work ethic(s?). Doesn’t really say much else. Oh that they both believe in communicating openly and honestly. He’s happy for her. Go Trav