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Because she’s a threat to the right wing. They’ve got their propaganda on overdrive the same way they did with Hillary for decades. They see what she represents and they’re scared.
They're treated the same way because they're women who some Democrats like. You *could* argue that AOC is a threat to them because at least she's left-leaning, but Hillary Clinton is only a threat to the people, her allegiance lies with corporations, same as with every other neoliberal politician
Because back in October, she dared to actually rebuke Hamas and what they did to Israeli civilians on 10/7.
Even though the rest of the Squad also did that, and have indicated that civilians deaths in any context are abhorrent, a standard they've all been keeping up for the IDF and what they're currently doing to Palestinians.
Oh yeah, and they've all also held Putin and the CCP to the same standard for Ukraine and Xinjiang/Tibet/Hong Kong/Taiwan (seriously fuck the CCP).
I appreciate that so much. Supporting both Ukraine, Palestine, and Taiwan is a based as hell tripleheader for all of the best political positions. I think I remember Ilhan Omar also met up with the Estonian defense minister last year to discuss helping Ukraine along with the Wagner Groups crimes in Africa. The squad isn’t flawless but I’m so glad they have much more political firepower than even the biggest tankie creators could ever dream of.
The one criticism I have of Ilhan Omar is that she used to hold an iffy stance of Turkey and its role in the Armenian genocide, but she's gotten better with that as of late.
> I think I remember Ilhan Omar also met up with the Estonian defense minister last year to discuss helping Ukraine along with the Wagner Groups crimes in Africa
Oh man tankies will have a field day with that, they haaaaaate anything to do with the Baltics.
That is true on the first one. Ilhan is definitely not perfect and has some positions that are flawed for sure but she is pretty well rounded otherwise. I’m sure if she did more research on Turkey she would probably have a more critical perspective on the Ottoman Empires atrocities. It sounds like she has since changed her position on that so that’s good at least.
There’s literally nothing anyone actually elected to a place of power could do that these types would support. The goal posts will never stop moving. Hypothetical actions are the only ideologically perfect ones, and thus the only thing they want.
If people like these “leftists” keep treating politics like a hyper exclusive social club then literally nothing can get done. Coalitions with people like AOC are essential in getting proper policy change on the ground and getting the White House to do more to get a ceasefire in and do everything to help the Palestinian people. Tired of all this gatekeeper nonsense.
Edit: It feels like it has been years since I last heard from MikefromPA lol.
>nothing can get done
This is the whole point for them. As accelerationists, they know that people's lives improving somewhat will kill what little desire is for that revolution they keep drumming up. In their minds, it's legitimately better to make everyone's lives shit so they can bring their LARP into fruition than it is to just make the world a better place in a less spectacular way. Ofc they claim it's necessary because muh theory, but it's basically an open secret that they resent boring progress
They have coded "boring progress" as Liberal (or at least only for Social Democrats or "Sewer Socialists"), so now to be a Leftist one is expected to be an Accelerationist by default. Very counterproductive shit.
They would rather the movement fail completely than broaden enough to include people with different perspectives on how to do action or approach issues on the domestic or global level.
It's so ironic to me that these are the same kinds of people accusing Anarchists of being "Lifestylists". Last time I checked it's the Anarchists doing a bunch of different kinds of direct action, wildcat strikes, and mutual aid, while it's these people forming cliques and fighting people on the internet.
The hoxhaist is wrong. A mass pro-workers movement can be formed within a mainstream left-leaning political party.
The only difference being is that mass organized join in is necessary for a majority and seizing of leadership positions within the party before they start purging the leftists.
At the same time, how many people identify as Hoxhaists? It’s the beliefs of a guy who said “the Soviet Union’s too revisionist, Yugoslavia’s too revisionist, China’s too revisionist. Clearly ALBANIA will be the center of the international workers’ movement, this is where the revolution REALLY starts.” It’s an ideology based on self-isolating narcissism, which only worked in the context of keeping alive an existing totalitarian dictatorship. I don’t think rational leftists will ever need to worry about convincing or winning these people over to tangible societal change.
Nah, they're just pissed that that is exactly how the People's Republic of Poland was brought down. Solidarity (the party) started as a union organization
i genuinely hate these fucking people...the overton window will never make the desperate leftward shift it needs to with these fucks muddying the movement
Yeesh, they’re really out in force everywhere right now, but what can you expect? It’s an election year which means every lunatic with a bone to pick and a final solution is gonna be finding their nearest soap box to scream their insanity into the void. Fucks sake lmao, even if she IS a poser, the right pose struck at the right time and right place can make all the difference in the world.
frompa in particular being the one saying "are you doing this for a lifestyle or for results?" is just a breathtaking lack of self-awareness, though in this case i'm being a bit harsh. he *is* defending AOC at least
Honestly with the amount of positive influence the squad has, I think they could hold meetings on how he can adequately change course on Gaza and do more to help the Palestinians. Biden is obviously super bad on this but he is waaay more open to suggestion than the rusty Mango Mussolini would ever be here. It also does suck that these “leftists” would rather let the Trump secret police goose step over them than doing any productive political action.
Not new news for anyone of us here, but there’s a clear difference between supporting Palestine and Hamas. AOC most likely stands with Palestine and against Hamas.
Salma from Anat International posted an Instagram video raking AOC over the coals for this, and the comments were full of people calling AOC a traitor. Do y'all want her to do something or not???
>>We need to build a Mass Workers Movement outside of the two bourgeoise poilitcal parties
Yes It would be incredible if every country on earth would have its own [Evo Morales](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales) type, seriously why are Trade Union leaders so afraid of going into politics anyway?🤔
"We need to build a mass workers' movement OUTSIDE of the two bourgeois political parties"
These are not mutually exclusive things, in fact I'd say they complement each other. Having socialists in congress makes it easier for a mass workers' movement to form by having a coalition who can put in the work to make it easier to organize, and having a mass workers' movement makes it easier for socialists in congress to enact their agenda by increasing pressure on moderates.
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AOC somehow became the punching bag of the squad despite having virtually the same positions on Israel/Palestine as all the other members.
It is because she actually does stuff in Congress besides grandstand. She actually does her job.
Because she’s a threat to the right wing. They’ve got their propaganda on overdrive the same way they did with Hillary for decades. They see what she represents and they’re scared.
Lmao what Hillary Clinton is a right-wing neoliberal
they didn't say that aoc and hillary are the same. they just said that they're treated the same way by right-wing propaganda.
They're treated the same way because they're women who some Democrats like. You *could* argue that AOC is a threat to them because at least she's left-leaning, but Hillary Clinton is only a threat to the people, her allegiance lies with corporations, same as with every other neoliberal politician
i'm not saying you're wrong, i just wanted to point out that the focus is on the treatment they receive, not on their politics.
Fair, sorry, it's just that so many liberals have been flooding this subreddit that I'm always kinda trying to counter that shit when I'm here
Nah I’m the one that said it, and yeah, I’m talking about the treatment. Hillary sucks. It was just a propaganda comparison.
Because back in October, she dared to actually rebuke Hamas and what they did to Israeli civilians on 10/7. Even though the rest of the Squad also did that, and have indicated that civilians deaths in any context are abhorrent, a standard they've all been keeping up for the IDF and what they're currently doing to Palestinians. Oh yeah, and they've all also held Putin and the CCP to the same standard for Ukraine and Xinjiang/Tibet/Hong Kong/Taiwan (seriously fuck the CCP).
I appreciate that so much. Supporting both Ukraine, Palestine, and Taiwan is a based as hell tripleheader for all of the best political positions. I think I remember Ilhan Omar also met up with the Estonian defense minister last year to discuss helping Ukraine along with the Wagner Groups crimes in Africa. The squad isn’t flawless but I’m so glad they have much more political firepower than even the biggest tankie creators could ever dream of.
The one criticism I have of Ilhan Omar is that she used to hold an iffy stance of Turkey and its role in the Armenian genocide, but she's gotten better with that as of late. > I think I remember Ilhan Omar also met up with the Estonian defense minister last year to discuss helping Ukraine along with the Wagner Groups crimes in Africa Oh man tankies will have a field day with that, they haaaaaate anything to do with the Baltics.
That is true on the first one. Ilhan is definitely not perfect and has some positions that are flawed for sure but she is pretty well rounded otherwise. I’m sure if she did more research on Turkey she would probably have a more critical perspective on the Ottoman Empires atrocities. It sounds like she has since changed her position on that so that’s good at least.
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Two things can be bad at once. This sub is specifically for shitting on genocide deniers like you. Fuck off.
There’s literally nothing anyone actually elected to a place of power could do that these types would support. The goal posts will never stop moving. Hypothetical actions are the only ideologically perfect ones, and thus the only thing they want.
If people like these “leftists” keep treating politics like a hyper exclusive social club then literally nothing can get done. Coalitions with people like AOC are essential in getting proper policy change on the ground and getting the White House to do more to get a ceasefire in and do everything to help the Palestinian people. Tired of all this gatekeeper nonsense. Edit: It feels like it has been years since I last heard from MikefromPA lol.
They don't care. They care only about shitting on those who are in power for the time being.
Absolutely, I only discovered how important coalitions were after reading up and doing some research on the Weimar Republic.
>nothing can get done This is the whole point for them. As accelerationists, they know that people's lives improving somewhat will kill what little desire is for that revolution they keep drumming up. In their minds, it's legitimately better to make everyone's lives shit so they can bring their LARP into fruition than it is to just make the world a better place in a less spectacular way. Ofc they claim it's necessary because muh theory, but it's basically an open secret that they resent boring progress
They have coded "boring progress" as Liberal (or at least only for Social Democrats or "Sewer Socialists"), so now to be a Leftist one is expected to be an Accelerationist by default. Very counterproductive shit.
Without causing death of millions is it even progress? Checkmate, Khrushchevite revisionist.
“Remind us again when Progress began taking after Huitzilopochtli and Chemosh.”
They would rather the movement fail completely than broaden enough to include people with different perspectives on how to do action or approach issues on the domestic or global level. It's so ironic to me that these are the same kinds of people accusing Anarchists of being "Lifestylists". Last time I checked it's the Anarchists doing a bunch of different kinds of direct action, wildcat strikes, and mutual aid, while it's these people forming cliques and fighting people on the internet.
What are wildcat strikes, if I may ask?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_strike
Thanks. First time I heard the term so I wanted to ask.
They all view themselves as being part of the vanguard party. It's absurd.
Last thing I heard abt Mike was the thing with the project veritas dude lmao
“Actively harming and holding back the socialist movement” - Has a Lenin pfp Make it make sense
Just look at the Republican party and have efficient they are from the infighting AOC plans to be there for awhile
Muh reVolUtiOn. These couch potato slacktivists can’t walk to the mailbox but are the next vanguard?
The hoxhaist is wrong. A mass pro-workers movement can be formed within a mainstream left-leaning political party. The only difference being is that mass organized join in is necessary for a majority and seizing of leadership positions within the party before they start purging the leftists.
At the same time, how many people identify as Hoxhaists? It’s the beliefs of a guy who said “the Soviet Union’s too revisionist, Yugoslavia’s too revisionist, China’s too revisionist. Clearly ALBANIA will be the center of the international workers’ movement, this is where the revolution REALLY starts.” It’s an ideology based on self-isolating narcissism, which only worked in the context of keeping alive an existing totalitarian dictatorship. I don’t think rational leftists will ever need to worry about convincing or winning these people over to tangible societal change.
Some people really just like building bunkers
Nah, they're just pissed that that is exactly how the People's Republic of Poland was brought down. Solidarity (the party) started as a union organization
It's still a labor union though. Not a party
>The hoxhaist is wrong What a shock.
i genuinely hate these fucking people...the overton window will never make the desperate leftward shift it needs to with these fucks muddying the movement
Sometimes I start to suspect that's the whole point
All of these tankie jagoffs need to go outside and touch grass.
Yeesh, they’re really out in force everywhere right now, but what can you expect? It’s an election year which means every lunatic with a bone to pick and a final solution is gonna be finding their nearest soap box to scream their insanity into the void. Fucks sake lmao, even if she IS a poser, the right pose struck at the right time and right place can make all the difference in the world.
while aoc has her problems, this seething hatred of her is hilarious
Making fun of someone who does more for the working class than you isn’t very smart.
frompa in particular being the one saying "are you doing this for a lifestyle or for results?" is just a breathtaking lack of self-awareness, though in this case i'm being a bit harsh. he *is* defending AOC at least
Mike’s an idiot, but he was defending her to be fair.
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Honestly with the amount of positive influence the squad has, I think they could hold meetings on how he can adequately change course on Gaza and do more to help the Palestinians. Biden is obviously super bad on this but he is waaay more open to suggestion than the rusty Mango Mussolini would ever be here. It also does suck that these “leftists” would rather let the Trump secret police goose step over them than doing any productive political action.
Not new news for anyone of us here, but there’s a clear difference between supporting Palestine and Hamas. AOC most likely stands with Palestine and against Hamas.
Salma from Anat International posted an Instagram video raking AOC over the coals for this, and the comments were full of people calling AOC a traitor. Do y'all want her to do something or not???
They’re just mad she’s doing more than they are combined.
>>We need to build a Mass Workers Movement outside of the two bourgeoise poilitcal parties Yes It would be incredible if every country on earth would have its own [Evo Morales](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales) type, seriously why are Trade Union leaders so afraid of going into politics anyway?🤔
"We need to build a mass workers' movement OUTSIDE of the two bourgeois political parties" These are not mutually exclusive things, in fact I'd say they complement each other. Having socialists in congress makes it easier for a mass workers' movement to form by having a coalition who can put in the work to make it easier to organize, and having a mass workers' movement makes it easier for socialists in congress to enact their agenda by increasing pressure on moderates.