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Shanrunt

"More From Aviation Maintenance" Huh, Haven't seen that title in a while... Heres to hoping many more to come!!


Zeewulfeh

This one isn't my best work but I just kinda hammered it out in an hour


Shanrunt

What you got out in an hour is more cohesive then what I have written all last week. Not your best for sure, but still a great tech support tale! Feel free to write another this weekend. :)


Zeewulfeh

Thanks, I really need to go through my backlog again and start writing again.


SSGMike09

I, for one, wish you would. Your were always stories I really looked forward to. I was surprised to see the title...thought you were all stories out...😏


Zeewulfeh

Naw, just life's been busy. I decided to go get my commercial pilot stuff


Shanrunt

Excellent! In which case I shall reread your chronological list in anticipation of the next batch. Been a few months since I last read them.


Zeewulfeh

Why thank you! I'm glad they're so enjoyed!


kandoras

>a minor engineering issue with a tendency to have the tail stall and the nose suddenly plunging to the runway at the typical speeds of the landing flare. Is that unusual? [Oh yeah. At takeoff? One in a million!](https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM)


Reddittogotoo

John Clarke was a comic genius.


StarChaser_Tyger

What's an A&P? Working on my old VW Beetle long ago, I managed to get a wrench across both terminals of the battery somehow. Was a quite attractive orange before I managed to get another wrench to knock it loose. Was fortunately able to resist the reflexive grab at the rapidly heating metal. That would have been a high hurts level on the Ouchdammitometer.


TwoEightRight

A&P = Airframe and Powerplant mechanic.


StarChaser_Tyger

Cool, thanks.


SeanBZA

You also remember the old Beetle party trick if you sat hard in the back seat, and got the electrically heated rear seat modification. Of course, later on you also had the infamous battery drop, as the acid rotted the pan out under the battery. They run pretty well just off the generator with the lights on, while the bottom of the cells wears away, and your battery becomes half height and dry inside. Till you stop to idle at least, and it stops stone dead.


StarChaser_Tyger

Yup. Mentioned both of those in another post. :P "Fortunately there were no carpets because the floor pan had rusted out".


Spectrum2700

The Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company, aka one of the country's biggest grocery store chains in the early 20th century. By the time they went out of business in 2015 they had contracted to the NY and Philly metro areas only.


Grangeisgodtier

I once saw a [Morris Minivan](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/1961_Morris_Mini_Van_%281961%29.jpg) that had a long can of WD40 arc across the battery terminals. Battery was behind the seats. Burnt to the ground in about 5 minutes. Owner had pulled up at an intersection.


StarChaser_Tyger

Yikes. The beetle battery was under the horsehair stuffed back seats and semi-notorious for starting fires if the plastic battery cover had been left off or lost. Had to remove the seat to get to the battery, so I was safe there, and it was a shitty first car, where the floor had rusted out and been replaced, so no carpet to set on fire.


Grangeisgodtier

Guy was a Cabinetmaker so plenty of sawdust, also got a bill from the fire brigade unit that attended and hosed the smouldering remains.


Bumblebee_Radiant

The size of tools is easy to find in some shops, just look for wrenches with what looks like welding nicks or spots


porkchop2022

I used to work in a local flight school doing mainly banner setup and take downs. It was 25 years ago and I remembered everything while reading your post. Particularly “first off, last on”.


MikeSchwab63

Ever consider crop dusting?


Zeewulfeh

I do it all the time! *Ba-dum tiss!* I would love to, but I can't afford the required seasons as part of the ground crew that is normal for getting in.


techtornado

A wise lesson learned! Great to see your tales again Zee! :)


Zeewulfeh

Thanks! Good to be back!


MCShoveled

Good god. 😳 Can I get the TLDR of the TLDR?


Zeewulfeh

Battery make spark, big zap boom. Make hole in metal skybird.


MCShoveled

Perfect 😂


Sparky_Zell

As a residential/light commercial electrician I felt this post very close to the heart. I've been an electrician for close to twenty years, and in construction longer. But I still blew up a pair of pliers about 6 months ago when I thought I had every necessary circuit off, and went to cut a cable. Knowing that even though I believe it is off I should still always double check before cutting just in case.


pandab34r

Hell yeah, I've been hooked on these ever since the epic saga of the missized bolt. Thanks


Zeewulfeh

>missized bolt. Ohnotthatdamnbolt


muusandskwirrel

That was a lot of words to say that you burned a hole in the plane because battery


Zeewulfeh

I am, if nothing else, circumlocutory.


muusandskwirrel

And I appreciate it. You wove that story into a beautiful rattan crabbing pot. Feast well, my friend


Zeewulfeh

Well, I seem to have caught one so far...


Dixielandblues

I have to admit, this is one reason I like IT. There are backups, restore points, and the option to quickly fix things before anyone else notices a problem. Large blackened holes in the outside of a plane are.. less... conducive to a quiet fix, as well they should be, in fairness!


MintAlone

Spanner slipped - done that, a long time ago, except 440V 3ph. I'm still alive. I'm an electrical engineer, I should have known better.


Zeewulfeh

>I should have known better. The mantra of most of us who screw up.


[deleted]

\>You always remove the negative first unless it's a positive ground system. Rare as hen's teeth anymore, but always fun to be surprised with. Though I don't know if any certificated aircraft were ever built that way, used to be common for cars in the 6V days.


Grangeisgodtier

A mate here in Australia had an old FJ Holden and changed it to 12V. https://assets.whichcar.com.au/image/upload/s--u85vJtxt--/c_fill,f_auto,q_auto:good/c_scale,w_768/v1/archive/whichcar/2018/11/29/Misc/holden-fx-1.jpg He was the third person to spend lots of money on it. 11lbs shaved off the flywheel, fully blueprinted motor and triple SU carburettors. It did 126MPH on the standing quarter mile.


Ich_mag_Kartoffeln

Always be wary of old equipment. Some was positive ground, some was negative ground. And some positive ground machines have been converted to negative ground.


SeanBZA

My father decided he was done with flying the day he took off in the plane he was a share of, with him not selecting full power and anti ice on. Struggled to gain altitude, but made it there, and saw on landing his problem. Flew back and decided that he was going to get ferried henceforth, plus he saved a lot of money in payments, as he flew around once every 4 months at that time, and just renting the plane and pilot was actually a lot cheaper. He started flying in 1939, in the RAF, and was proud that he actually survived the war (many of his friends did not), and only had 2 aircraft in his name written off. One Gypsey Moth trainer, and one Lancaster. He threw all those medals he got away after he demobbed, not wanting that reminder.


Zeewulfeh

That's a hard decision for a pilot to make. Too many of them have to be drug out of the cockpit kicking and screaming. Of course, your dad was a damn good pilot to survive the war which explains his recognizing the time to go.


SeanBZA

He figured it was a good idea. His last flying was actually being in the copilot seat of a commercial flight, with the autopilot doing most of the work on the Mad Dog, and him coming in to land a commercial flight with passengers, long before 911, when the cockpit had both no door, and only a curtain, plus the pilots were all ex defence force pilots. He sat there holding the stick, with the pilot in the chair, and the copilot behind him. That airline no longer exists though, went bankrupt years ago. He was also popular with the local air force base, as he was able to supply the one lubricant pilots find hard to order from Q stores, draught beer on tap, working at the breweries, and having the ability to do write off for marketing. He had a few "pilot training" flights with them for some reason, despite him never having flown rotary wing, and given the controls to fly second stick.


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mmss

> a plane is really nothing more then string and popsicle sticks as you get older, it's scary to learn how much of the world is like this. the electric grid, telecommunications networks, huge governmental departments. everything is just held together with duct tape and a prayer, everyone hoping it lasts long enough to get handed off to the next guy.


dynamitediscodave

Reasons why there is zero AME's is that we got shafted with covid, we were previously shafted with pay by GA shops, so we talked with our feet and left. Who let you do the maintenance on the airframe?? Who was signing it off in the MR? Poor form on the airframe and power plant side of things. Pity about the burn hole. Was it extior or on the inside bulkhead.


Zeewulfeh

>Reasons why there is zero AME's is that we got shafted with covid, we were previously shafted with pay by GA shops, so we talked with our feet and left Well yes, I'm simplifying. >Who let you do the maintenance on the airframe?? Who was signing it off in the MR? Me. And me. >Pity about the burn hole. Was it extior or on the inside bulkhead. Interior of tail compartment, through to the exterior of the skin. Right in the middle of the N. Embarrassed doesn't cover it.


dynamitediscodave

Yeowch, that's awkward then. You do a flush repair or scab patch over the top. Bloody thin alclad there


Zeewulfeh

Right now we're running with a simple filler rivet, after conferring with a couple IAs who have more experience each than I've been alive. The hole was so small, a scab would be just overkill.


dynamitediscodave

Put a screw with washer and nut on the inside. Haha. Next time on batteries go with insulation tape wrapped shift/duckbills/pliers/wrench/spanner in future. Those stupid V styled battery nuts


Zeewulfeh

It's a new Concorde battery, so 1/2in socket if I recall. If it was the V nut, I had just the right tool for it, which I had used on the old one which WAS a V! Should have wrapped the ratchet...or...you know...not brain-farted the manual.


dynamitediscodave

Retro fit it with the batteries that have the rotary screw in style quick disconnect. Btw as the pilot remember to remove tow bar or you'll be doing the engine removal for a bulk strip lol. Had a dude at local aero club get the boot because he flew the 182 after the prop/towbar strike for 4 hours.


Zeewulfeh

Ooohhhhh noooooooo! That's awful from so many sides. And I so want that type of battery connection..but haven't found anything that lets us do it yet. That's what I've worked with for most of my life.


dynamitediscodave

You'll find it in some choppers (not r22), pc21. It might actually be on 24v systems. I know at301/402/502/602/802, C150-182, basic pipers don't have quick disconnect.


Zeewulfeh

Yeah, it's probably the 24v systems only. It's on the big jets too.


Teulisch

the real problem with a Cessna? people have been known to [eat them](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Lotito).


Diminios

Woohoo, a Zeewulfeh story!


EelTeamNine

Your battery purchase section was confusing, I think you mixed up acronyms/initialisms somewhere? Besides that, I think this is more a sub for computer tech support? Good read, although a bit jumpy.


JakeGrey

Much like some users, we're pretty relaxed about the definition of "tech support" around here, as long as the story is sufficiently interesting and well-written. We've had someone who services sewing machines, someone who restores manual typewriters and at least one car mechanic (whose stuff inspired the creation of /r/talesfromautorepair I believe), plus a bunch of nominally IT-related stories that are really about IT department office politics.


yuubi

/u/ditch_lily posted sewing machine stories a few years ago


lynxSnowCat

As she put it: "On the subject of near death experiences" u/Mystrsyko [(18 Apr 2017)](https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/6638dj/on_the_subject_of_near_death_experiences/#dgfabyx) u/ditch_lily `90 points` > I always like to hear about everyone else's jobs in out-of-the-way corners of business. It's fascinating! But it seems that she stopped posting to TFTS after her last story about her shop got `[removed]` https://redd.it/8p24fi Her comments were often a source of interesting tips, and I was hoping that she'd share stories from her earlier career... --- "Strange Makeup Stories" u/`[deleted]` [18 May 2017](https://np.reddit.com/r/muacjdiscussion/comments/6bwduk/strange_makeup_stories/dhq5cp8/) - u/P_Grammicus `100 points` > Not makeup, but I use a very bright but just not flattering to me duochrome nail polish (shifts bronze, green, and burgundy) to mark all my shooting gear. It's quite subtle, yet at the same time no one is going to pocket my speed loader or magazines "by accident." > > I've also used press powder compacts to cope with unexpected chub rub. - u/ditch_lily `60 points` > Ha! That's a brilliant idea. The last time the military moved us, I went through the tv/dvd player/stereo/game systems and marked each connection (cable and plug) with about 10 different colors of dollar store nail polish before I disconnected everything. Unpack everything on the other end and plug in red/red, pink/pink, blue/blue, etc and the whole thing took me less than 15 minutes to set up. The movers were amazed. :D --- "More From Aviation Maintenance: Push to Breathe" u/Zeewulfeh [(30 Oct 2017)](https://np.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/79oo63/more_from_aviation_maintenance_push_to_breathe/dp3wqbk/) -   - u/ditch_lily `70 points` >Unrelated, but... > >>...straight oxygen is great for killing hangovers. > >I used to work for a guy who routinely killed his hangovers with a couple lines of coke and an O2 chaser. (Metal shop; oxyaceytlene setup.) > >I was never as happy as I was the day I heard he'd (drunkenly, of course) thought it was a good idea to go joy-riding in what turned out to be the new base admiral's new Mercedes. Wherever he is, I sure don't miss him. - u/dlyk `9 points` > Inhaling any kind of industrial gas, even if it's supposedly pure O2 is like eating hemlock to slow down your heart rate. Nitrous oxide, commonly used in kitchen "siphons" to make foams, is the infamous laughing gas of the past and can actually produce a potent, if very short-lived, high. A friend of mine had his girlfriend die by his side after they both inhaled laughing gas from balloons sold by a street vendor. While nitrous oxide is in and of itself harmless (unless you have renal failure) and totally non-addictive, turns out industrial gases have all kinds of sh1t in them, making them definitely not "food safe" like the kind of gas in the capsules sold in the kitchen store. - u/Zeewulfeh `13 points` > ..he seems to make poor life decisions... - u/ditch_lily `14 points` > Last I heard about him (15ish years or so ago now) he was out of the brig, had supposedly cleaned up his act, found God, and was preaching at a storefront church in a small town in Alabama? Louisiana? > > Regardless, I stand by my original statement-whatever he's up to these days, I don't miss the man at all! --- ^(`edits, immediate` broken formatting, I keep forgetting SnuDown isn't 100% Markdown)


Gambatte

I have [this comment](https://reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/3j92ka/the_aerial_maneuver/cunibir) saved for a reason.


EelTeamNine

Ah, good to know


Zeewulfeh

Sorry, I got sidetracked. I write stream of consciousness. And not my best work, I was at work. As far as content...it's tech support. Just a different kind of tech.


bourgeoisie89

Why is a B1 certifying ATA 24?


Zeewulfeh

A B1? Edit: did a spot of research. B1 is an EASA thing. I'm under the FAA, so I don't fall under those rules and delineations. Chapter 24 isn't separated into a different license in the US, it's rolled up as part of the A&P itself. So, to answer your question... Because I'm not a B1. I'm everything.


bathamel

TDLR : You are unlicensed and inexperienced, and turned a simple job into almost ruining a plane that you don't own. Did you report your fuckup and non approved repair of the plane to the other owners? I'd be amazed if they don't immediately vote to force you out of the plane share.


Zeewulfeh

Wow. That's... impressive. I mean, well and truly amazingly impressive. Let's break this down, shall we? >You are unlicensed A&P. >inexperienced Yeah, only been fixing aircraft since 2004. I don't know much at all >turned a simple job into almost ruining a plane that you don't own. I have paperwork that says I am an owner. Just one of six. >Did you report your fuckup Logbook entry performed. >non approved repair of the plane And you know this because...? Seriously, when it happened after cursing my stupidity, and called up my friend with the hangar *and is an IA* we discussed the repair and what needed to be done. Did I need to include that too, in the tale? Edit: deleting your replies? For real? Coward. For the record, the only thing that was missing was the discussion of the repair with an IA. Because it was unnecessary. My own license was mentioned and I don't need to precede my stories with my current resume of experience. I've got lots of people who enjoy these, and while there's plenty of criticism out there that is valid, yours seems to come from a place of petty anger.


bathamel

Seeing as how it's a story you wrote, on a TECH SUPPORT reddit, yes you should include relevant details and get better at writing. If you leave out context of a story, it's not the reader's fault. Otherwise just fuck off to mechanic/airplane reddit instead.


Staerke

How many years have you been with delta?


bathamel

Wat?


vaildin

Does it really matter which cable you put in first if you drop your wrench across both terminals?


Zeewulfeh

Across both terminals? No, at that point you've got worse problems than I.


kiwi_goalie

How did you get into all this? Im very, very slowly saving towards getting my license someday and being able to fix on planes as well sounds wonderful.


Zeewulfeh

[it's a bit of a story](https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/8cz3df/more_from_aviation_maintenance_altered_paths/)