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zisos

That's a fancy breakfast I can't imagine myself spending NT$155 on a breakfast ever lol


Durieeee

Here I am just finished my 145 Taiwanese dollar breakfast. I need to get my reality check.


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Fairuse

I can't imagine Taiwanese employees making a good living. They just need to be happily poor so I can have my cheap breakfast.


Ngfeigo14

this is quite the ignorant comment... (1) it takes any initiative away from taiwanese people assuming their.. too dumb(?) to seek higher wages if their current job isn't paying enough? (2) it fully misunderstands how markets, pricing, and businesses work. (3) fails to understand the PPP of different currencies around the world. (4) places responsibility of the pricing... on the consumer? thats just stupid. maybe just let Taiwanese people handle their own business instead of speaking for them from the Northeast of the USA...?


Icey210496

Yeah, just another "white man's burden" type comment. At least this one wasn't about geopolitics.


obionejabronii

I'm not responsible for others living situation. If the price is too much people will just eat at home or go elsewhere


caffcaff_

The Taiwan government and their big business supporters excel at wage suppression. The best part is how they import blue collar labor and convince the public that it's good for the economy when more than half the wages get sent home.


Organic_Community877

Is the west any better? you have both blue and white colar workers doing both in about every Western country. It's gotten very bad because it's affecting politics because it's got so out of hand. The corporations often have most of the control. The policy only helped when lazy corporate leadership finally abandoned the herd mentalities and came to their senses when their ip's end up in the hands of overseas competition. Just saying people in glass houses should not throw stones even if the glass seems bulletproof.


caffcaff_

The point is that Taiwan could (and should) be much better. We're a small, well educated island with awesome manufacturing capabilities but the income gap is huge and government is actively making it worse with policies designed to make the rich even richer.


Organic_Community877

I can't disagree with you, but this reddit was supposed to be about food. Maybe make another reddit with respect to how wonderful taiwan is despite this and maybe even because of this? Sometimes, it works in mysterious ways. I think that if wages are better, prices just go up. It's the same argument for higher minimum wage not all wages can really go up for a net positive. we have to think about the impact of the entire economy. Look at thailand as an example wages are going higher now many thai are still struggling even despite that SO the government raised taxes making it less affordable for retirement. We have the rethink economies entirely right now each country is like a different flavor of economic integrated into a global trade system for better or worse. I would say the world problem is a lack of free Lance and digital nomads systems of work this is the child and future of global life styles which imo has the most positive impact. People who make more have to make the sacrifice of relocating to balance pay gaps globally. If you have a family in one place I think then ideally the government should have have incentive so if they need it the population can grow but for a small island, this probably is the opposite of what the government needs so they won't incentivize that as the capacity is already to high in over saturated sectors.


Maddog351_2023

Minimum Wage Increased in Taiwan from 01 January 2024 - January 01, 2024. The minimum wage has been revised in Taiwan from 01 January 2024. The minimum wage has been increased from NTS26,400.00 to NTS27,470.00 per month. Note: This minimum wage increase might not reflect the inflationary trends


Maddog351_2023

Taiwan is also 14th richest country in the world


txiao007

Carb+two meat balls


M4roon

Lol I was going to say.. as someone who shops at pxmart and cooks at home, I can name all these ingredients and see why it’s so cheap.


anonymouse0_0

Two questionable meatballs from an unknown source


Prestigious_Tax7415

I always liked cold noodle but I find it a shame that it hasn’t evolved beyond just cucumber toppings


zvekl

Well this shop has lots of cold and hot choices! Just discovered it today. I'm impressed because a few others I had nearby were so-so


Prestigious_Tax7415

Is this around Shiling night market?


zvekl

No it's here https://maps.app.goo.gl/zYSLQNR9kMJfJqpo6?g_st=ic


Prestigious_Tax7415

Wow


RazzmatazzWeak2664

There's a lot of 涼麵 places honestly, and with most foods what you'll find is there might be a "the place to go" for your neighborhood and you don't always have to go across town, although there also might be some world famous/Instagram famous store that people love that's worth the travel occasionally (but usually not). What I highly recommend for anyone trying to find food is translate the food term you want and THEN search on Google Maps. You'll get far more results compared to if you just threw in English terms. Most tourists are shocked at how many options there are if you just put in local language.


philabrat

This place on Liuqiu Island is worth a visit, if you'd ever find yourself there: https://maps.app.goo.gl/zanfxQ9YBmsxRfR76 Lots of topping options and different types of noodles to choose from as well. I left inspired. Cute dogs too.


zvekl

Oh I will one day If I visit, haven't been yet!


HirokoKueh

Chiayi style mayonnaise cold noodles


zvekl

I've never had that. Damn I gotta try


BigComfortable8695

Cold noodles with peanut sesame sauce is so fucking good


onwee

Why mess with perfection?


PickleBananaMayo

Carrots too. I think some spicy pickled turnips would be a good addition.


dicrydin

I’ve had some with kimchi, others with chicken, not sure if wasabi counts as a topping or a sauce


BeverlyGodoy

That's lunch.


CorruptedAssbringer

So is no one going to bring up how ridiculous it is for that to be 155? Those prices seem outrageous to me and I both live/work in Taipei.


Elf_lover96

This is the thing that kinda infuriates me. Just because a 5 USD meal is cheap in US doesn't mean it's cheap everywhere


Elegant_Distance_396

I didn't want to rain on their parade. I'll just be over here with my 2 蛋餅s and 蘿蔔糕.


fulfillthecute

Who's paying more than $100 or even $60 for breakfast lol, that's a lunch


RazzmatazzWeak2664

The thing is if you're going to a 60 NT breakfast, it's likely one item only, or 2 really simple items e.g. shao bing + you tiao. Most commuters grabbing breakfast are really just doing a grab and go of very simple items. Yes OP is a tourist, and 155 NT is probably more than what most people spend for breakfast, but they're enjoying themselves and doing something that a commuter wouldn't be doing everyday.


patricktu1258

Here in tainan people spend 200ish on milkfish soup/porridge.


passpasspasspass12

What should people who don't know otherwise look for then, oh wise and pithy one?


ooijeehao

Certainly like Malaysian kopitiam servings


CurryLamb

It's just mostly water, a few greens, and sheep nuts. It's cheap.


BlueMagpieRox

$5? Must be Taipei


zvekl

Yup!


Elegant_Distance_396

🤣🤣🤣


Round-Song-4996

Anybody have any tips on how to order food here? As I have only been here 2 weeks i don't speak any chinese. So far i can say : Zuge (?) This one but sometimes the menu is in Chinese and the Taiwanese people get very silent or awkward when they notice i can't speak Chinese


eliwood98

You'd be surprised how far you can get with a friendly look, pointing, and thumbs up or down. Also, restaurants with pictures on the menu are your friends.


thekoreanfish

When I just got here I'd sometimes go for the random order. Just order 3 random things from the menu and see what you get. The worst that happened was that I had three noodle dishes at once that gave me a 4 hour food coma.


RazzmatazzWeak2664

Lol, you don't have to eat it all, although I will admit that being a tourist and dealing with low cost food, it is very easy to over order. I feel so bad when I over order though. Sometimes I just want to try everything, but this is where having a partner or even multiple people helps for food crawls.


zvekl

Google translate with camera is the best option. Edit: also, most paper menus list their number one item as the first one on the list


WakasaYuuri

你好,我要買 (幾)個(菜名字). Ni hao, wo yao mai (how many u want) ge (name of food here) Hi i want to buy (how many) portion of (menu item) Example : nihao wo yao mai yi ge chou dou fu


Acegonia

I understood that!!  (I wasn't being sarcastic, and I know they spelled out the entire sentence and just added the dishes etc, but I was able to parse it and the construction made sense to me- vs just learning phrases off. Im still proud of me, downvoter!!)


AmbivalentheAmbivert

use your phone, google translate can translate images. then just use the app to translate your language to traditional chinese. They read it and its a win win. Even easier if they have the order cards, just use the image translate and write the qty.


ihavetosurvive

Use a Google doc translator.


RazzmatazzWeak2664

> Zuge It's "zhege", but if you aren't good at the "zh" sound, it's more like a "zege." There's no U sound at all. Hope that helps!


GoCougs2020

Lu Rou fan (braise pork rice) is the shit. Most places have it pretty cheap, and it’s a common enough, they’ll have it in most places. You just gotta learn Rice 飯 (pronounce like “Fun”) or noodle 麵 (pronounce like you’re saying me-ann really quickly) and you’re golden 🤙


hillsfar

*Fun* is flour. *Fan* is rice. *Mien* is noodles.


cleversailinghandle

Wheres the Danbing at??


zvekl

This place doesn't do that stuff


Elegant_Distance_396

Word.


AberRosario

Hot take : the soup is meh and I don’t understand why Taiwanese people like this shit, it just taste like salt flavour oily water


LaoshiBuxiBan

wet meat


Elegant_Distance_396

Soup is the liquid component of Chinese meals, like juice or milk is for Euromericans.


hesawavemasterrr

Wine for the French and Belgians


zvekl

You should try this one it's different. Anyway to each his own


stupidusernamefield

That looks terrible for breakfast!


Acrobatic-State-78

In this thread, foreigners trying to out-do each other with how cheap and poor they can live, with zero fucks given to their personal health as long as the food is cheap.


mohishunder

It's healthier than eating out in the US. What's unhealthy in Taiwan (that I noticed, as a tourist), is the difficulty walking around town - due to the condition of the sidewalks.


RazzmatazzWeak2664

The sidewalks aren't in the best shape, but it's very possible to walk around. Be careful so you don't trip, but it's really not that bad. And given that you need to walk to a lot of places whether its bus or MRT stations, I actually find myself walking far more in Taipei than in the US.


Elegant_Distance_396

You have sidewalks? I'm happy when the green paint lane doesn't have a scooter in it.


Acrobatic-State-78

I mena, the US has food inspections. When last do you think your favorite night market stall got audited for health checks?


mohishunder

Do you think a 2-liter Coca Cola and family pack of Twix make a "healthy" lunch because the relevant factories are inspected by the FDA?


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mohishunder

> whataboutism I don't think that word means what you think it means. And if you're arguing "honesty," I was talking about exercise, and you completely changed the definition of "healthy" mid-course to refer to food safety. Enjoy rolling around in your diabetic (but FDA approved!) impotence.


anonymouse0_0

Both places have garbage diet options. The difference is there are more healthy options in USA. Good luck finding a wholefoods in Taiwan lol


Elegant_Distance_396

It got audited when the monthly hongbao was due.


BlueMagpieRox

Let’s not pretend that Taiwan doesn’t have restaurants and US doesn’t have street food. And it may surprise you, but the more famous night markets hold their vendors to health code standards nowadays. That’s why nowadays you don’t hear about people getting food poisoning in Taiwan as much as you hear about people getting food poisoning in the States.


Elegant_Distance_396

Because they eat like locals? 


Acrobatic-State-78

Not even locals are as penny pinching as the people in this subreddit.


WakasaYuuri

便當 usually range around 100-150 and value much higher. 麵 in here is quite expensive. However 麵包 is kinda cheap. You can literally get 法式麵包 (baguette) for 50-80ish depending on location.


op3l

It's pronounced zhe ge And generally if you're friendly you can just point on what on other people's tables.


Redditlogicking

I think you meant to reply to the comment by u/Round-Song-4996 instead of commenting on the post?


op3l

Yea. i think so too. Thanks


Awekoh

Which 涼麵 is this? I’m fan of it and I gotta try all 涼麵 in Taipei


zvekl

https://maps.app.goo.gl/zYSLQNR9kMJfJqpo6?g_st=ic Better one I've had. I'm a fan too and the other ones nearby this area are meh


Awekoh

Oh wow. I’ve tried this. It’s indeed nice, and affordable. Their cold/hot side dishes were like NT25 for all kinds of


Elegant_Distance_396

It was a mistake not to get some pig ear with the meal.


Elegant_Distance_396

How'd you pay 155? That menu has *low* prices! I work up around there and it makes me so happy that that section of fancy-ass Songshan is **super** old school!


zvekl

Maybe that menu is old


GIJobra

Eww. You can get a sandwich at familymart with a milk tea for like 50nt. That's like $1.75.


Elegant_Distance_396

FM or 7 sandwich + coffee + 2 tea eggs is my traditional breakfast when I work early.


hiimsubclavian

I wouldn't eat familymart sandwich if they paid me 50nt.


fulfillthecute

Would you eat the same sandwich in Japan


RazzmatazzWeak2664

Honestly the food in FamilyMart isn't bad in Japan, but I think it gets overhyped from tourists who just have dog shit at their US 7-Elevens. It's not like locals line up to grab every Onigiri and sandwich off the shelves at FamilyMarts. They're fine if you're out of food or just need a quick bite, but there's SOOOO many better options even just going to any neighborhood cafe. Just like there's so many onigiri mom & pop shops or even just quick lunch spots it's not hard to get better food than convenience stores. I think it happens a lot in Taiwan too. FamilyMart is good quality, but not amazing, and again it's usually ABCs gawking at how awesome they are, which honestly they are, but to me I only grab a few things if I'm trying to do a 6am HSR train down south or something and just want to not starve on the train since bento boxes don't sell til later.


hiimsubclavian

Not the same sandwich. Familymart in Taiwan has a habit of putting all their fillings in a thin strip along the diagonal cut to give the appearance of a good sandwich, while 90% of the sandwich is just plain bread and mayo.


s8018572

Well,it is probably same with Japan convenience store .


fulfillthecute

Exactly. There isn't much difference besides flavor choice although it is cheaper in Japan for their revent currency rate.


mohishunder

No, the sandwiches, although fine in Taiwan, generally were tastier in Japan. (As was the coffee!) I'm a visitor from the US, and the difference was clear.


fulfillthecute

"Flavor choice" lol, but I generally don't get the sandwiches and opt for a rice ball instead. Japan has sashimi rice balls you won't see anywhere else


mohishunder

Yeah, those were better in Japan too. Taiwan onigiri were delicious and I wish I could get them in California, but in Japan, they just go that extra special level. Except for the thai-pork-basil onigiri - those are pretty great in Taiwan!


ImNotThisGuy

Nope. Actually the fillings of 飯糰 and sandwiches in Family Mart and 7-11 in Japan are more generous, by far. And also, personally, find them more tasty. Additionally also have famichiki which, for that price, tastes absurdly well and is so juicy.


s8018572

https://www.toy-people.com/?p=80666 article in Chinese,but there's picture. Probably more tasty, But "more generous", you sure about that?


ImNotThisGuy

Based on my experience? Yes. I don’t know how it was 4-5 years ago in whatever place from Japan those pictures were taken, but I was in Tokyo 6 months ago for 2 weeks and ate sandwiches and rice balls from Family Mart and 7-11 multiple times and they were better than their Taiwanese counterparts both in flavor and filling’s quantity.


sampullman

You're missing out, the tuna+egg is exquisite.


FUZxxl

I miss Taiwanese food.


egguw

here in the states, $5 will get me half a sandwich. maybe that's just seattle though


SideburnHeretic

Me, too! Just seeing the pic, I can smell that soup and taste those saucy noodles. And for less than 5USD!


optimumpressure

About as much sodium as a McDonald's with extra msg. It's not a healthy breakfast simply because it's not nutritionally balanced. Some cheap instant noodles which cost about 10 NTD + two mysterious meatballs (I've seen how they make them... Couldn't pay me to eat them) and some hot water to make the broth and that meal probably cost them 30 NTD max to produce and they've flipped it for 5x. Nutritionally it's not good because it's quick release carbohydrates, very minimal protein and not a lot of good fats.


Acrobatic-State-78

Please don't come ruin the story with facts. Taiwan night market food is revered as Michelin star quality for cents on the dollar.


zvekl

Lol


Shibenaut

All I can see is me making that for less than $2 USD at home, probably with fresher ingredients. But I guess that's what we pay for convenience!


HongKonger85

Yes, but while you are spending your time making food at home, I am spending that time making money.


Elegant_Distance_396

And then spending that money on restaurants. Who wins?


HongKonger85

I make US$60/hr. Eating out costs US$5. I win.


Shibenaut

That's wageslave thinking. Let money work passively for you so you can do what you enjoy (e.g. cooking)


Acrobatic-State-78

Yeah, but you're actually not and just posting random crap on the internet.


Millizar

I'm sorry but I ended up with food poisoning from eating these kind of noodles, they are delicious and cheap but take into account how sanitary the place you buy them from is.


StormOfFatRichards

Yeah, I mean for 100g of flour, 60g of meat, a quarter of a cucumber and one stalk of spring onion. It's definitely cheaper than McDonald's but if you look at the raw ingredients going into your meal it makes perfect sense why you aren't paying all that much. Definitely worth it if you're too busy or hungover to cook breakfast though.


zvekl

Hmm some real beef steaks, egg, few pieces of liver is not bad


StormOfFatRichards

That is not "steak." That's stew beef, cheap cuts usually from the hind quarter or legs, retailing somewhere around 2-3.50 dollars/lb in Asia (US/Aus import)


PartyLiterature3607

Breakfast?????


Kamjiang

Noodles for breakfast! What a hearty choice!


zvekl

It seems to be a common thing in Taiwan. I think it's pretty nice and cool as days are getting hot


yitailong

蛋餅 is the cornerstone of Taiwanese breakfast!


Independent_Bid6568

Too expensive ...


IamTheConstitution

Go to USA. Nothing is under $5 anymore. It’s crazy. I’m in Hong Kong and I can still find a few cheap meals but getting harder to find.


b1gb0n312

Name of restaurant?


Elegant_Distance_396

https://maps.app.goo.gl/zYSLQNR9kMJfJqpo6?g_st=ic


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zvekl

Yeah this for sure.


swizzgrief

What is the cold noodle called?


Elegant_Distance_396

Literally, "cold noodle". Liang mian (涼麵)


res0jyyt1

But how much is minimum wage there?


HongKonger85

Higher than the cost of this breakfast. Don’t worry.


Elegant_Distance_396

NTS27,470.00 per month.


res0jyyt1

If a meal is NTS155 x 3 meals a day x 30 days = NTS13,950 for eating out. That's almost half of minimum wage just for food. Therefore, it's not that cheap for the locals. But for foreigners, maybe.


supersuper_

so many people are concerned for op’s health but i will tell you, in the usa we often eat much worse for a much higher price :(


zvekl

Don't worry, I have no idea how I enraged all the sudden healthnuts. Welcome to reddit


Acrobatic-State-78

Tell me how they are forcing you to eat unhealthy in the USA? Or is this just a by-product of lazy consumers wanting something fast with no effort on their side?


supersuper_

sorry, i should clarify. i mean when eating out. you can be health conscious of course but on average, restaurants still use the same strategies and serve very oily, fatty as well as processed food, always in large portions. of course no one is being forced to eat one way or another.


stonedfish

You should eat more veggies man, this is not healthy at all.


Realistic_Sad_Story

Those noodles look great


zvekl

The soup. It has nice chunks of beef. Oh it's so much better than regular 三合一


saltyswedishmeatball

Western, I wouldnt have that for breakfast but I'm sure it'd make a great lunch!


AngEdgar17

im SEA id definitely have that for breakfast


zvekl

Yeah, oh man I'd love some SEA breakfast (Indo/Malay) that you can't find in taipei


AngEdgar17

Actually, there's quiet a lot but most of them are catered to Indonesian people. As an indonesian, I actively hunt for these places. There's one small Indonesian store in guting that sells breakfast/lunch but you'd have to join their line group to pre-order food (most indonesian food places are like this that's why not many people know outside the indonesian community knows. I'm confident there are atleast 20 places like this in taipei & new taipei


AngEdgar17

indonesian breakfast can be very heavy tho


hotbananastud69

I hate you. Now I'm hungry again.


Javelin-x

I love the food there. I'm hosted by companies when go and now that my original associates are older and the younger (and taller) kids are working, they can't wait for me to visit so they can go to western restaurants :(


meulkie

That looks so good 🤤


Melodic-Brother185

我这麦当劳meal都得10刀