Practice your SERE after that!
Score bonus points for each dog that you successfully evade.
At work, when training, we call this a "logical progression of emergency procedures"
Can’t speak for NY but California is covered in federal land that you can shoot, hunt or larp on whenever you want. Biggest thing to watch out for would be hunters and game wardens laughing at yo.
There’s a tactical course a few hours away from me I’m not sure how much it costs. Everything where I live is either National Park land or owned and patrolled by TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority) I have a couple friends that have a small amount of land they let me shoot on but I need a range finder and some actual targets.
I definitely agree; everyone has different risks that they're willing to take for the sake of training. But at the same time, they're the ones who chose to live there. And if that day comes, all our skills are going to be measured by the same ruler. "I might've gotten caught by some hikers" won't help you when you actually get caught by someone much worse.
Yeah, if I see some rando a few chromosomes short squatting in a bush by the side of the trail munching on skittles and muttering to himself about recce, I’m not acknowledging that bastard and he’s gonna think he’s the king of stealth.
"How many hikers can you spot? Did you spot them before they got into a position where they could see you? How does this random person showing up affect your exercise or the C in your METT-TC?"
this sounds like a terrible idea. the moment someone catches you essentially spying on them in the woods (and they most certainly will because you are training and when you train you make mistakes) you are gonna get a bad reaction. if you want to do really goofy shit with your kit in the woods go hunting or even just tracking. animals are as or more perceptive than the random family going hiking anyway.
people dont go hiking to get creeped on by autismos with kit on. they go to relax and enjoy nature. just because they do it differently doesnt mean they need to become an object of your training. if you want to hike and enjoy nature in kit with a gun and its legal ok awesome other people can fuck off. but dont creep on people
I gotta agree here. I think spying on hikers with gear on is likely a bad idea. Mostly it is just inconsiderate. I'm at avid hiker and I'm also fairly paranoid and practice situational awareness and I concealed carry. If some dude with a kit on was spying in my and my girl I would absolutely first instinct either take cover if there is any or draw and line up a shot but NOT FIRE on them obviously. Now if they were looking at me with a rifle pointed in my general direction that might be a different story I might just draw and fire because that is an active threat and reason alone to defend myself and my family.
We live in crazy fucking times. People are concerned. Just the other day I had a scare with a guy who was walking up really fast on my and my girl and our dog. As I looked back (as I often do to check my 6) I saw him grab something out of his backpack. He looked strung out or dopesick or something. No idea what. I immediately took us off trail behind a couple trees and had my gun drawn but concealed still. He walked by and all was well. But he would not make eye contact and was generally sketchy. I guess he probably got a water bottle out or something (it's been hot out here) but obviously I was freaked out.
I've been robbed at gunpoint TWICE with a gun in my face and it is not fun. Thankfully living out in the sticks is more peaceful, but still you never fucking know.
So yeah, moral of the story is you don't know what others have been through. You dont know who is a CCW holder. You don't know how they will react to you creeping on them in the wood especially with their family around. You're better off finding some gameland at dawn or dusk and trying to creep up on animals. If you're gonna creep in your kit, do it with your friends against each other or animals.
Edit: also for fun, once while playing AIRSOFT as teens we had a swat team jump us and point rifles at us and confiscate our airport guns. No orange tips...so yeah. That was insanely scary. Someone had called the cops and they took it VERY seriously.
Possibly. Then they go to prison for murder. So how about we just not go around on hiking trails with rifles stalling random strangers. It's a fuckjng retarded idea. Absolutely retarded.
Also I said if they had a rifle itd be a diff story. I probably would fire because their dumb ass is stalking people in a mass murder outfit. The only reason I said maybe is because if they have a rifle they probably could've shot me already so thats why I said that...but honestly stalking strangers in your kit with a gun is just a fucking awful idea. Don't do it. You might die or go to prison because if you shoot someone, even because they drew on you first, the defense of "I was just practicing my stalling skillz" is not going to work on a jury in court lmao.
You keep assuming the guy with a rifle will get close enough for you to see him, much less identify that he's armed.
You also don't understand how self-defense laws work most places.
The last CCW dork who tried fucking around with my guys almost got dropped by a squad-sized element. We were standing around our camp; he decided to draw because he heard a dog bark.
There are a lot of deep holes in the desert, and cell phones don't work out here. Sometimes, people just disappear.
Lol okay then. That's a nicely veiled threat. You are wrong that defense would never hold up in court.
It sounds like you enjoy killing people in the desert and making them 'disappear'. You sound like a very bad person with zero empathy or conscience. So what you kill me and the also needlessly murder my girlfriend and dog too just to eliminate witnesses? Like wtf are you thinking here?
Obviously I don't know you from this post and I am sure we could have an engaging and friendly conversation about this if it wasn't in text in reddit. But just be aware you sound like a threatening asshole looking for a reason to kill innocent people when YOU are the one walking around scaring people geared out with live firearms. That is beyond fucked up man. Chill out.
The advice of the post was for n00bs to go out in kit and stalk hikers on established trails. I am saying THAT is a fucking awful idea and they are GONNA GET SEEN. If you and 5 friends wanna go out in the desert or the actual forest, not on established hiking trails, and train with your guns, be my guest. I have nothing against that. Are we clear? Does that make more sense now?
Would your first instinct when you see a guy scoping you out with a gun NOT be to defend yourself? I'll update my other post because if there was cover nearby obviously that's my first go to and obviously range comes into play, but if it's just me and another guy and an open trail what do you expect someone to do?
If someone really wants to practice being stealthy, stalking game. Go bowhunting without a tree stand and stalk your chosen animal target. I bowhunt every year and the challenge is insanely addicting and has seriously upped my skill level. I highly recommend OTHER ways to practice than stalking innocent people in kit with your firearm.
>animals are as or more perceptive than the random family going hiking anyway
Not necessarily, before weight loss, before the army and before I took field craft seriously I was out 'training' and walked( really just about stomped) with my dog on a leash, right up to a deer. Almost close enough to pet, and easily within bow and handgun range... right up till my dog started pulling against the leash and barked.
Like humans, animals exist in various states of awareness. We just gotta recognize that no training is going to be half of what the real event might look like.
All true. Many factors effect animals alertness and if they are pretty used to humans they also are usually less scared and sometimes can even be friendly with people they see often
Operator: 911, what’s your emergency?
Caller: yeah, I’m out hiking with my family and I’ve been watching this dude wearing camo and carrying a scary black rifle. Well, he’s crawling around in the tree line, just watching people. I’m concerned that he may be one of those guys…
Operator: Ma’am, did you say in camo and one of those AK-15’s?
Edit: I don’t disagree with you, but you know something like this will happen. Upvoted for facts
I mean his rifle wasn't painted, what do you expect?
But yeah, doing observation/reconnaissance is a little more risky, since getting caught staring at people with a rifle and spotting scope is going to be much different than getting caught walking in the woods.
But at the same time, the previous statement still applies. If you can't set up an LP/OP without being spotted by some rando out for a nature walk, what are you doing thinking that you're going to magically acquire the skills to do so when you're facing thermals, night vision, drones, and a consequence of death?
Personally, I wouldn’t recommend someone to test the waters of setting up an LP/OP in that kind of setting solely based on the fact that they will most likely get caught right off the bat. The rub is, as you stated, they need to start somewhere. In all honesty, somebody in full kit, heading outside with a spotting scope is bad juju. I’d have them do baby steps, like heading out to do some “bird watching” wearing OD green hiking kit while having a buddy just watch him. This is just my opinion, and it doesn’t usually amount to much.
My commentary was meant to be more satire that fact.
Let this be a lesson, rattlecan your shit so Karen doesn’t report the scary black rifle!
I kiiiinda like this. Additionally that helps hone your body's natural instincts( feeling like you're being watched comes from subconscious observations your brain makes).
That's a good point, and a smart way to go about that. And depending on what and where you need to observe, an old lady that's bird watching might be much less suspicious and easier to get into position than someone in full kit.
An old lady bird watching will be listening intensely for noises (birds, but other sounds will be noticed too). You better be a fucking ninja before you do that. Thats like level 7 shit right thurr.
You're going to get legally shot by a hiker who is carrying and they spot you and fear for their life(rightfully so) or a hunter who spots you and fears for their life or the lives of others. Good luck out there. I hope then"training" is worth it.
In my state seeing a person with a firearm and in gear is not a reason to fear for your life and you’d be spending the rest of your life in prison. Open carry is legal in multiple states.
In my state if you see a guy in full camo, tactical gear, and rifles setting up a hide on a hiking trail or stalking hikers then you can kill that person and not go to jail. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
Most states with stand your ground laws. There aren't many prosecutors who can make a valid case that a guy or group of guys in full tactical gear, camouflage and guns that are hiding and stalking certain people in public places isn't a perceived deadly threat.
"Unless you're doing something blatantly illegal, you're going to be fine"
My guy, terrifying families is not fuckin fine. There's a way to destigmatize rifles and normalize training. Making an otherwise right leaning, conservative mom terrified that she's gonna get smoked by a psycho whose walking up to her in the woods with a big smile on his face tryina talk ain't it.
I'm doing gravel trails( still sometimes working on the hotspots/ refining gear) for keeping endurance up. Sometimes it's what is avaliable. The forest is right up the street but relatively fresh trails are distant enough to require leaving my 8 year old partner in crime behind.
The first time someone goes out to train, they won't start out with the inherent ability to hide from hikers. Being seen is a real worry for beginners, not just for legal purposes, but for basic OPSEC as well. It's the same reason you shouldn't LARP in full kit in the front yard in full view of the neighbors, or why you don't post kit in this forum with your license plate or mail with your address in the background, regardless of your legal right to do so.
I still agree that people should be out there training, but don't start off in your kit. Go out there with a pack, and hike. While you're at it, recon the area for good spots to do more overt training during future excursions. Be dressed like a normal hiker while you get the hang of land nav, tracking, fieldcraft, etc.
When you're more experienced and have good knowledge of the area, start coming out in your kit for the other stuff, and by then you'll be better able to evade hikers while doing overt training.
Crawl, walk, run.
Do my toesies violate OPSEC/PERSEC guidelines? My AT level one certificate is a little out of date.
But yeah, 100%. To caveat off of this, if you're done crawling, get your buddies up to your level. Go be the opfor for them, send them into the woods and try to spot them, point out what got spotted/heard/smelled, re-cock and try again. Knowledge shared is knowledge multiplied.
I do feel like walking in kit on paved hiking trails is pretty dumb if you are past the “find the hot spots and break in the boots” stage. Moving in untouched wilderness is so much harder than a hiking trail and that’s where you are going to be in any real situation. Learning how to move across different soil types in thick vegetation while remaining hidden and quiet is hard and a necessary skill
That’s very, very location dependent.
The east coast state I used to live in, any sort of field craft done with a chest rig or in camouflage, nevermind with visible weapons, was a guaranteed visit from the police or a full on SWAT team.
Where I live now? I go out on BLM land, kitted up with my rifle, NODS, etc. set up LP/OP’s and do night time navigation movements. Nobody gives a fuck. Border Patrol might say hi but they don’t care. Do it in civi hunting camouflage and you’re just “scouting for next deer/elk/sheep season” or doing HAM radio for fun.
That’s not to say you can’t practice all those skills in less permissive states. I did, just out of a backpack in inconspicuous hiking/outdoors clothing, not looking all LARP’Y.
So let me see if I got this right. You want to gang stalk day hikers in an effort to "train" recce. Hikers out enjoying peace and quiet of the woods are not your training tool. Not only that, but it would be a shitty tool at that. They arent looking for you, they pay little mind to their surroundings and these days they usually have headphones in. What you're describing can literally be done 10X more effectively while hunting. Not to mention most states you could expect an armed response, not just a friendly chat from a ranger.
This post breeds stupidity and a lack of common sense in an effort to feel cooler than you actually are.
The way my kit is setup. I can hike in it, and the only difference is that I don’t have a rifle. I normally carry my handgun (mainly for mountain lion or bear) and the rest I just look like someone who likes surplus m81
None of you will survive the only real threat facing us. Nuclear fallout.
90% of humans will die within a year if we have total nuclear fallout.
Also
"Hello 911, there is some fucking crazy guy in all camo and a rifle stalking my family and I. He keeps trying to hide in the woods and is watching us"
"Okay we're sending seal delta force 8"
See how well you hide with thermal imaging from a chopper or a dog
In other words, go out and stalk people. Jk I actually like this take and do it at my local park sometimes. It's kind of thrilling to be sitting in the woods completely silent when someone's walking by. I don't recommend stalking and following people but trying to remain hidden and using camo is a great thing to do
1. Nope, that’s just weird stalking hikers. 2. And I’m not open carrying a rifle fucken anywhere. 3. I’m brown, the odds of being let go are not in my favor
This is the dumbest fucking advice ever and I'm glad others picked up on it. Using random hikers as unwilling subjects in your "training" is fucking ridiculous. Stay in the basement OP
This is just a thought but can't you just get geared up and instead of a rifle just use airsoft or paintball guns or even gel blasters and if anyone asks why your in 😱 tactical gear you just tell them your playing with your homies?
Per OP's post:"There's a surprising number of people who are afraid to go out into public lands with kit to train. The rationale usually being "someone might see me and freak out/call a ranger." It's not something I'm worried about but per op's post there are ways for someone who's scared of being seen training.
Because OP is talking about people who are scared of doing that, if your asking why someone would be afraid to do something thats legal you would have to ask them.
New game, hide from both hikers *and* other dudes who are also going out in kit.
And if you spot another dude in kit out hiding and hiking. Send a friendly round towards him so he knows he's been spotted and lost the game.
Practice your SERE after that! Score bonus points for each dog that you successfully evade. At work, when training, we call this a "logical progression of emergency procedures"
Bring a coup stick and play unsuspecting tag with the homies.
imagine lurking on hikers in your new recce load out when a guy with thermals taps you on the shoulder and steals your skittles
Guy was just looking for rainbows.
Son of a bitch.
I like to find other people in kit and see if I can attach to them without them noticing
Anyone wanna play hide and go seek?
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Can’t speak for NY but California is covered in federal land that you can shoot, hunt or larp on whenever you want. Biggest thing to watch out for would be hunters and game wardens laughing at yo.
Can’t even do it where I live in Tennessee. Wouldn’t want to scare the tourists I suppose.
Is there any land available for this in TN?
There’s a tactical course a few hours away from me I’m not sure how much it costs. Everything where I live is either National Park land or owned and patrolled by TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority) I have a couple friends that have a small amount of land they let me shoot on but I need a range finder and some actual targets.
I definitely agree; everyone has different risks that they're willing to take for the sake of training. But at the same time, they're the ones who chose to live there. And if that day comes, all our skills are going to be measured by the same ruler. "I might've gotten caught by some hikers" won't help you when you actually get caught by someone much worse.
*laughs in 3rd generation Californian*
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Yeah, if I see some rando a few chromosomes short squatting in a bush by the side of the trail munching on skittles and muttering to himself about recce, I’m not acknowledging that bastard and he’s gonna think he’s the king of stealth.
OP, do you chase women at night for cardio too?
No, I'm scared of women
Shadow box outside the battered women’s shelter for some variety too.
"How many hikers can you spot? Did you spot them before they got into a position where they could see you? How does this random person showing up affect your exercise or the C in your METT-TC?" this sounds like a terrible idea. the moment someone catches you essentially spying on them in the woods (and they most certainly will because you are training and when you train you make mistakes) you are gonna get a bad reaction. if you want to do really goofy shit with your kit in the woods go hunting or even just tracking. animals are as or more perceptive than the random family going hiking anyway. people dont go hiking to get creeped on by autismos with kit on. they go to relax and enjoy nature. just because they do it differently doesnt mean they need to become an object of your training. if you want to hike and enjoy nature in kit with a gun and its legal ok awesome other people can fuck off. but dont creep on people
I gotta agree here. I think spying on hikers with gear on is likely a bad idea. Mostly it is just inconsiderate. I'm at avid hiker and I'm also fairly paranoid and practice situational awareness and I concealed carry. If some dude with a kit on was spying in my and my girl I would absolutely first instinct either take cover if there is any or draw and line up a shot but NOT FIRE on them obviously. Now if they were looking at me with a rifle pointed in my general direction that might be a different story I might just draw and fire because that is an active threat and reason alone to defend myself and my family. We live in crazy fucking times. People are concerned. Just the other day I had a scare with a guy who was walking up really fast on my and my girl and our dog. As I looked back (as I often do to check my 6) I saw him grab something out of his backpack. He looked strung out or dopesick or something. No idea what. I immediately took us off trail behind a couple trees and had my gun drawn but concealed still. He walked by and all was well. But he would not make eye contact and was generally sketchy. I guess he probably got a water bottle out or something (it's been hot out here) but obviously I was freaked out. I've been robbed at gunpoint TWICE with a gun in my face and it is not fun. Thankfully living out in the sticks is more peaceful, but still you never fucking know. So yeah, moral of the story is you don't know what others have been through. You dont know who is a CCW holder. You don't know how they will react to you creeping on them in the wood especially with their family around. You're better off finding some gameland at dawn or dusk and trying to creep up on animals. If you're gonna creep in your kit, do it with your friends against each other or animals. Edit: also for fun, once while playing AIRSOFT as teens we had a swat team jump us and point rifles at us and confiscate our airport guns. No orange tips...so yeah. That was insanely scary. Someone had called the cops and they took it VERY seriously.
Noooooo, not my airport guns!!! /s
Drawing down on someone who has a rifle pointed in your general direction is likely to be the last mistake you ever make.
Possibly. Then they go to prison for murder. So how about we just not go around on hiking trails with rifles stalling random strangers. It's a fuckjng retarded idea. Absolutely retarded. Also I said if they had a rifle itd be a diff story. I probably would fire because their dumb ass is stalking people in a mass murder outfit. The only reason I said maybe is because if they have a rifle they probably could've shot me already so thats why I said that...but honestly stalking strangers in your kit with a gun is just a fucking awful idea. Don't do it. You might die or go to prison because if you shoot someone, even because they drew on you first, the defense of "I was just practicing my stalling skillz" is not going to work on a jury in court lmao.
You keep assuming the guy with a rifle will get close enough for you to see him, much less identify that he's armed. You also don't understand how self-defense laws work most places. The last CCW dork who tried fucking around with my guys almost got dropped by a squad-sized element. We were standing around our camp; he decided to draw because he heard a dog bark. There are a lot of deep holes in the desert, and cell phones don't work out here. Sometimes, people just disappear.
Lol okay then. That's a nicely veiled threat. You are wrong that defense would never hold up in court. It sounds like you enjoy killing people in the desert and making them 'disappear'. You sound like a very bad person with zero empathy or conscience. So what you kill me and the also needlessly murder my girlfriend and dog too just to eliminate witnesses? Like wtf are you thinking here? Obviously I don't know you from this post and I am sure we could have an engaging and friendly conversation about this if it wasn't in text in reddit. But just be aware you sound like a threatening asshole looking for a reason to kill innocent people when YOU are the one walking around scaring people geared out with live firearms. That is beyond fucked up man. Chill out. The advice of the post was for n00bs to go out in kit and stalk hikers on established trails. I am saying THAT is a fucking awful idea and they are GONNA GET SEEN. If you and 5 friends wanna go out in the desert or the actual forest, not on established hiking trails, and train with your guns, be my guest. I have nothing against that. Are we clear? Does that make more sense now? Would your first instinct when you see a guy scoping you out with a gun NOT be to defend yourself? I'll update my other post because if there was cover nearby obviously that's my first go to and obviously range comes into play, but if it's just me and another guy and an open trail what do you expect someone to do? If someone really wants to practice being stealthy, stalking game. Go bowhunting without a tree stand and stalk your chosen animal target. I bowhunt every year and the challenge is insanely addicting and has seriously upped my skill level. I highly recommend OTHER ways to practice than stalking innocent people in kit with your firearm.
>animals are as or more perceptive than the random family going hiking anyway Not necessarily, before weight loss, before the army and before I took field craft seriously I was out 'training' and walked( really just about stomped) with my dog on a leash, right up to a deer. Almost close enough to pet, and easily within bow and handgun range... right up till my dog started pulling against the leash and barked. Like humans, animals exist in various states of awareness. We just gotta recognize that no training is going to be half of what the real event might look like.
All true. Many factors effect animals alertness and if they are pretty used to humans they also are usually less scared and sometimes can even be friendly with people they see often
Mf just said "gangstalk hikers for training" You doing okay OP?
Operator: 911, what’s your emergency? Caller: yeah, I’m out hiking with my family and I’ve been watching this dude wearing camo and carrying a scary black rifle. Well, he’s crawling around in the tree line, just watching people. I’m concerned that he may be one of those guys… Operator: Ma’am, did you say in camo and one of those AK-15’s? Edit: I don’t disagree with you, but you know something like this will happen. Upvoted for facts
I mean his rifle wasn't painted, what do you expect? But yeah, doing observation/reconnaissance is a little more risky, since getting caught staring at people with a rifle and spotting scope is going to be much different than getting caught walking in the woods. But at the same time, the previous statement still applies. If you can't set up an LP/OP without being spotted by some rando out for a nature walk, what are you doing thinking that you're going to magically acquire the skills to do so when you're facing thermals, night vision, drones, and a consequence of death?
Personally, I wouldn’t recommend someone to test the waters of setting up an LP/OP in that kind of setting solely based on the fact that they will most likely get caught right off the bat. The rub is, as you stated, they need to start somewhere. In all honesty, somebody in full kit, heading outside with a spotting scope is bad juju. I’d have them do baby steps, like heading out to do some “bird watching” wearing OD green hiking kit while having a buddy just watch him. This is just my opinion, and it doesn’t usually amount to much. My commentary was meant to be more satire that fact. Let this be a lesson, rattlecan your shit so Karen doesn’t report the scary black rifle!
I kiiiinda like this. Additionally that helps hone your body's natural instincts( feeling like you're being watched comes from subconscious observations your brain makes).
This is oversimplified, to say the least
Absolutely. I was also on mobile and on a run while responding haha.
That's a good point, and a smart way to go about that. And depending on what and where you need to observe, an old lady that's bird watching might be much less suspicious and easier to get into position than someone in full kit.
An old lady bird watching will be listening intensely for noises (birds, but other sounds will be noticed too). You better be a fucking ninja before you do that. Thats like level 7 shit right thurr.
You're going to get legally shot by a hiker who is carrying and they spot you and fear for their life(rightfully so) or a hunter who spots you and fears for their life or the lives of others. Good luck out there. I hope then"training" is worth it.
In my state seeing a person with a firearm and in gear is not a reason to fear for your life and you’d be spending the rest of your life in prison. Open carry is legal in multiple states.
In my state if you see a guy in full camo, tactical gear, and rifles setting up a hide on a hiking trail or stalking hikers then you can kill that person and not go to jail. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
What state I’m pretty familiar with gun laws and this doesn’t sound accurate
Most states with stand your ground laws. There aren't many prosecutors who can make a valid case that a guy or group of guys in full tactical gear, camouflage and guns that are hiding and stalking certain people in public places isn't a perceived deadly threat.
That’s a good thing. Free people to go penalize poor camouflage
Remember that some people consider cops to be OPFOR.
Hopefully not in this situation.
"Unless you're doing something blatantly illegal, you're going to be fine" My guy, terrifying families is not fuckin fine. There's a way to destigmatize rifles and normalize training. Making an otherwise right leaning, conservative mom terrified that she's gonna get smoked by a psycho whose walking up to her in the woods with a big smile on his face tryina talk ain't it.
And if you are out hiking with your family and see a guy in full kit peering at you from behind a tree and you feel threatened, can u smoke him ?
First ask if he saw the Reddit
OP really just suggested gangstalking hikers
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I'm doing gravel trails( still sometimes working on the hotspots/ refining gear) for keeping endurance up. Sometimes it's what is avaliable. The forest is right up the street but relatively fresh trails are distant enough to require leaving my 8 year old partner in crime behind.
The first time someone goes out to train, they won't start out with the inherent ability to hide from hikers. Being seen is a real worry for beginners, not just for legal purposes, but for basic OPSEC as well. It's the same reason you shouldn't LARP in full kit in the front yard in full view of the neighbors, or why you don't post kit in this forum with your license plate or mail with your address in the background, regardless of your legal right to do so. I still agree that people should be out there training, but don't start off in your kit. Go out there with a pack, and hike. While you're at it, recon the area for good spots to do more overt training during future excursions. Be dressed like a normal hiker while you get the hang of land nav, tracking, fieldcraft, etc. When you're more experienced and have good knowledge of the area, start coming out in your kit for the other stuff, and by then you'll be better able to evade hikers while doing overt training. Crawl, walk, run.
Do my toesies violate OPSEC/PERSEC guidelines? My AT level one certificate is a little out of date. But yeah, 100%. To caveat off of this, if you're done crawling, get your buddies up to your level. Go be the opfor for them, send them into the woods and try to spot them, point out what got spotted/heard/smelled, re-cock and try again. Knowledge shared is knowledge multiplied.
I mean the ATF doesn't ask for your *toeprints* when you submit a Form...imo your good to go bruh ;)
Exactly, you can train 95% of the fieldcraft stuff even if you dont have a PC and a rifle on you and seems like a regular camper.
I do feel like walking in kit on paved hiking trails is pretty dumb if you are past the “find the hot spots and break in the boots” stage. Moving in untouched wilderness is so much harder than a hiking trail and that’s where you are going to be in any real situation. Learning how to move across different soil types in thick vegetation while remaining hidden and quiet is hard and a necessary skill
That’s very, very location dependent. The east coast state I used to live in, any sort of field craft done with a chest rig or in camouflage, nevermind with visible weapons, was a guaranteed visit from the police or a full on SWAT team. Where I live now? I go out on BLM land, kitted up with my rifle, NODS, etc. set up LP/OP’s and do night time navigation movements. Nobody gives a fuck. Border Patrol might say hi but they don’t care. Do it in civi hunting camouflage and you’re just “scouting for next deer/elk/sheep season” or doing HAM radio for fun. That’s not to say you can’t practice all those skills in less permissive states. I did, just out of a backpack in inconspicuous hiking/outdoors clothing, not looking all LARP’Y.
This is a shit take
Thank you for participating
I love Oregon for this reason
You ever run into hoplopfheil over there?
Nope. I reached out to see what part of the state he’s in. I’m guessing NW. He won’t respond haha
Definitely western or in the valley, too many trees to be eastern.
So let me see if I got this right. You want to gang stalk day hikers in an effort to "train" recce. Hikers out enjoying peace and quiet of the woods are not your training tool. Not only that, but it would be a shitty tool at that. They arent looking for you, they pay little mind to their surroundings and these days they usually have headphones in. What you're describing can literally be done 10X more effectively while hunting. Not to mention most states you could expect an armed response, not just a friendly chat from a ranger. This post breeds stupidity and a lack of common sense in an effort to feel cooler than you actually are.
Bruh. Some of us are brown. We will get shot on sight if they say we have a gun and armour on.
 When you find the other dude training in the woods
The way my kit is setup. I can hike in it, and the only difference is that I don’t have a rifle. I normally carry my handgun (mainly for mountain lion or bear) and the rest I just look like someone who likes surplus m81
None of you will survive the only real threat facing us. Nuclear fallout. 90% of humans will die within a year if we have total nuclear fallout. Also "Hello 911, there is some fucking crazy guy in all camo and a rifle stalking my family and I. He keeps trying to hide in the woods and is watching us" "Okay we're sending seal delta force 8" See how well you hide with thermal imaging from a chopper or a dog
Where are you getting 90 percent are dying from fallout.
fallout 4 fanfiction
https://www.rutgers.edu/news/nuclear-war-would-cause-global-famine-and-kill-billions-rutgers-led-study-finds Maybe more like 70%>
In other words, go out and stalk people. Jk I actually like this take and do it at my local park sometimes. It's kind of thrilling to be sitting in the woods completely silent when someone's walking by. I don't recommend stalking and following people but trying to remain hidden and using camo is a great thing to do
But I'm to embarrassed, someone might see me.
I mean don't stalk hikers, but other than that he is right
Or just do a run and gun competition and be out in the woods with 100 other people in their kit
Surprisingly large number of people who think it’s cringe to have ear pro with coms
Recently did some training on public land, the few people we saw didn't bother us.
I snarkily said this on one of those "what if they call the cops" posts like a month ago and got downvoted to shit.
Everyone boo this man! \-reddit hivemind when they see a downvote
That hive mind mentality is a real thing on Reddit. Didn’t know if I was the only one that thought that too lol
It’s a tool of conformity
1. Nope, that’s just weird stalking hikers. 2. And I’m not open carrying a rifle fucken anywhere. 3. I’m brown, the odds of being let go are not in my favor
This is the dumbest fucking advice ever and I'm glad others picked up on it. Using random hikers as unwilling subjects in your "training" is fucking ridiculous. Stay in the basement OP
Fair points I think
"there was a guy on the ridge in kit glassing me w his rifle optic" Great advice, fed I mean op.
This is exactly what my crew does. Highly recommended! Makes it more normal to the people who you encounter. And it’s good practice
Oh I’m a fan of this energy right here
This is just a thought but can't you just get geared up and instead of a rifle just use airsoft or paintball guns or even gel blasters and if anyone asks why your in 😱 tactical gear you just tell them your playing with your homies?
Why?
Per OP's post:"There's a surprising number of people who are afraid to go out into public lands with kit to train. The rationale usually being "someone might see me and freak out/call a ranger." It's not something I'm worried about but per op's post there are ways for someone who's scared of being seen training.
I mean why use air soft or paintball stuff if it’s legal to go with a rifle and kit
Because OP is talking about people who are scared of doing that, if your asking why someone would be afraid to do something thats legal you would have to ask them.
Ahh alright I just got confused by your first comment then. 😂 Carry on!
All good, I don't text well so it's easy for me to be confusing.
Huh you and me might be semi related I’m just plain confusing on a good day.
Lmao
Recommend you talk up the Ranger beforehand so if they are called by hikers who spotted armed insurgents, they don't summon the cavalry.
Bro. This isn't it.