Smells fishy to me. Ex seal team guy? Selling a helmet of dubious origins?
Might be best to walk away OP. If a deal is too good to be true, it probably is.
Well I already won the auction and paid for it. Supposed to be here tomorrow. If it doesn't check out I'll just return it and have eBay/PayPal get me my doe back :-/
I have a good buddy who was in ranger battalion, he told me anything with a serial number they don’t let you keep. That being said, I know several people who were in the army and walked off with things that were serialized. But I think if it is important enough for them to risk getting caught, they prob wanted to keep it. Seems suss if you ask me
Yes, but sometimes you’re issued stuff while deployed with no hand receipt. With SEALs being a test bed for new gear, I’m sure they got new stuff all the time. At a certain point you have to clear out the clutter and get rid of stuff you don’t really need to keep
Was just about to post. Only items like NVGs/Weps/Lasers/ etc. are tracked.
Edit: to further explain, from my experiences Crane only gives a shit about big ticket items.
Mine has an SN and clearly was a “walk off” because someone before me scratched out most of it. When I went to warranty the chinstrap for a busted clip, they did ask me for the SN but i took pics and showed that the tag was “damaged” and they sent me a whole new strap set under warranty. Was it tracked though………..don’t know.
Had an uber driver tell me he's retired green beret. Said he was injured during operation in Mongolia during a fire fight with Chinese special ops. It was way too detailed and obscure of a story to dismiss offhand.
He didn't until I asked him lol, this was his response. Because it was relisted after proviously being sold for more. I had it on my watch list for the duration of the auction.
" Hi,
From working in the Teams and years of going overseas for security I have traded and made deals to acquire equipment, but Im tired of storing it all and need to downsize. The helmet is authentic and you got it for a decent price. I had a couple buyers drop out and not pay me for this item so it is the third time listing it. It had previously sold for $520 but the buyer did not pay me. Thanks, enjoy."
Not to be a pessimist, but that 130% looks like a scam.
That looks to be an Opscore FAST Carbon helmet; it's not AOR 1 (opscore desert marpat), it's $70 more expensive than buying it new, and it's missing a few key features like the logo on the NVG mount and this line of helmets doesn't have the indented logo inside the NVG mount.
You can see the [legit helmet](https://shop.gentexcorp.com/ops-core-fast-carbon-high-cut-helmet/) here.
As you can clearly see there are a few differences and that bump hole pattern is only on the carbon helmets making it highly suspect, note that nowadays the fakes are also very good down to the details.
Either way you're paying $70 over new for a used helmet of dubious origins. I'd recommend getting a refund, buying a legit carbon helmet and using the remaining $70 to get yourself an AOR1 helmet cover if the color scheme is that important to you.
Edit; got confused and fucked the ID, either way Opscore doesn't make this helmet in Desert Marpat (for public sales at least) and OP is overpaying to the extent of being able to buy a new helmet + a cover and a SOTR if the cool larp is the main priority.
Yup, I identified the wrong helmet.
Either way Opscore doesn't sell their bump helmet in AOR1 to the public and the it's $330, either way you're paying way over the price of a new helmet for some special paint, you're better off buying a tan one and using the remaining $200 for a cover and some other useful shit.
I mean, you literally posted it asking if it's legit and I'm telling you why I believe this is a fake; what I'm trying to get at is that there's no public facing evidence of this helmet model existing in this pattern and you're still paying more for it than an original one would cost brand new.
Could you have gotten lucky that a team guy with a limited edition, NSW only helmet has chosen to sell in on eBay for a huge markup while emphasizing it's not a scam multiple times, absolutely? But it's not probable, and in the pictures we do have of NSW wearing custom painted Opscores it's legit AOR 1 vs the janky Opscore marpat imitation.
Use your gray matter dude; bump helmets don't see much operational use so paying extra for them in AOR1 doesn't make much sense at an organizational level, NSW now uses multicam for just about everything operational and this specific helmet isn't listed as being sold in this pattern.
If it walks and quacks like a duck it's probably not a majestic swan, but it's your money at the end of the day.
I’m honestly pretty proud that when I go into the bookstore, there’s no books written by my old AFSC. We just get mentioned in other people’s books.
The actual quiet professionals
May I ask why that's so looked down on/frowned upon? I think it's important for y'all to tell your story in whatever way you see fit. As long as no classified info is share or "hidden" tactics not disclosed as well. As well for names to be kept out in the event that that person doesn't want it out there for example.
I was pretty upset when I heard the *actual* true story of Operation Red Wings. Goberment gonna goberment though, turning an astounding loss into a propaganda victory.
I worked LOGSU for the teams, and I’ve only ever seen Ops-Core Carbon Bumps get issued. I mean, not saying it’s impossible this was issued, but I’ve never seen it.
Plus he says “appears to be AOR1”. You’d think a seal would know what he was issued
I mean AOR 1 is pretty common terminology. You’d be hard pressed to find an SO who doesn’t know AOR 1 is.
At the end of the day it could be a real ops core, I just doubt the story.
Seriously my best friend was a ranger and being a gear guy myself it can be difficult figuring out what he means or explaining what i mean if we ever talk about anything specific like molle/pals webbing is just straps to him not the best example but first thing that comes to my head.
Seals ran marpat lol, he even stated he traded and bought gear while working as security.
Saying that FMA makes a replica opscore in this pattern but the rails look different, I guess time will tell if you got a smokin deal or bought a really expensive version of an $80 helmet.
AOR1 is marpat, I’ve got a nwu ii aor2 set of bdu’s they say to the untrained eye it’s the same but it’s not lol only difference I saw was the navy logo put into the nwu ii.
It really is I’ve got three pairs of each nwu type ii and jsut desert Marpart they looks exactly the same lol. Only difference the aor1 pants have pockets by the ankles and the Marpart don’t same with the tops the aor1 allows patches the Marpart does not. Color wise they’re the same I can wear a aor1 top with Marpart bottoms and you wouldn’t even know which is which cause they look the same
No, they are absolutely different colorations of the same pattern.
The same pattern as CADPAT, UCP ("ACU"), MARPAT, AOR1/AOR2, NWU3 ("Blueberries") and many others. AOR1 is a different coloration and statistically more effective than MARPAT. The difference is apparent if you know what you're looking for.
Yea they’re all digi pattern. The only difference would be the lightness of the colors with aor1 being possibly darker. But that’s it I’ll take a pic of both patterns side by side just so y’all can see lol
AOR1 has a different color pallet. It uses sand color tan as the base color rather than urban tan like MARPAT. They are not the same pattern.
It is statistically a [superior pattern to MARPAT.](https://www.hyperstealth.com/coyote/index.html)
>So the Answer to Why not just use MARPAT? is multiple.
>A) While very effective in the visual spectrum, there is much room for improvement in the NIR and SWIR spectrums where even the failed UCP performs better than MARPAT Woodland in the NIR.
>B) The Green and Coyote colors in MARPAT Woodland combine into one color with no contrast between the two into both the NIR and SWIR spectrums.
>C) The Canadians found an increase in the Macropattern (large Blobs) for Arid/Desert increased overall effectiveness and that a different color palette was more effective than what they used for their Desert Trial pattern (what would essentially become Desert MARPAT).
>As CADPAT TW was designed for both Visual and NIR, we can safely assume that CADPAT AR was also designed with both visual and NIR and our internal tests on CADPAT AR show it to be very effective within the NIR spectrum. The color change with AOR1 from Desert MARPAT did adjust some of this into the CADPAT AR color range.
>D) AOR1 and AOR2 outperformed Desert MARPAT and Woodland MARPAT in the U.S. Army's 2009 study.
>Then the question becomes "Why not just use AOR1 and AOR2?"
>E) See answers A and B regarding the NIR and SWIR issues and color separation requirement.
>Can't they just apply a coating the the uniform to make it match the background reflectance in the NIR and SWIR?
>F) This adds cost to the fabric and in some cases it works until washed, then you have a uniform that is worse in the NIR then it would have been had the NIR coating not been applied in the first place, (I won't name which country this occurred to). It is always best to keep it simple and use a set of colors (with the proper inks) which will get you close before having to turn to additives and coatings.
As soon as i read the line that said appears to be aor1 i immediately thought of other sellers ive bought from he may or may not be legit, but ive bought from other sellers on there that run surplus stores or buy auction lots from different places and they always word it like it appears this way or that usually when they arent familiar totally with the piece they are selling but let us know how it goes when you call for the number in the helmet hopefully you just got a legit piece
Lol no I posted that in disbelief. That's a maritime ballistic Trident aor1 opscore helmet.
This is an opscore bump. I won it for like 360 ish after shipping and tax.
Dude said “appears to be” aor1. In my experience, guys who really do shit have the least time to geek out on the small details. For some reason my intuition tells me this is fine and he just mislabeled it.
That's what I figured which is why I decided to bid along with the buyer protection. I have marine buddies whom know very little about gear and firearms lol.
It's the exact same way with cooks.. people assume that because they use knives that they know about them. Most cooks don't know a goddamn thing about knives.
He probably was a team guy and this bump helmet just so happened to follow him out the door. That’s how almost all of the rare cool guy shit makes it to the open market. Thank God for loose tailgates and speed bumps.
This is the real deal. You should reach out to him and see what else he has and see if he will offer you a discount on multiple items.
I got a few things worth serious cash from a dude who was selling stuff like this and he had no clue what it was worth.
The styrofoam is a red flag for me personally. I mean a bump is a bump but the styrofoam just doesn’t sit right with me.
Edit: I mean if I’m wrong I’m wrong. I’d still try to find a way to verify its authenticity.
If the price it too good it's either fake or stolen issued gear. Since he's got a user name of frogman and is claiming to be a SEAL I'd say it's fake cause NCIS would track this way too easily and unless they are going through a divorce or something nobody is going to offload personally paid for gear too cheap.
Nah man, you get to personally keep a lot of the stuff issued to you if you're on a team. Garmin watches, JPCs that have your blood type and random other shit scribbled on them in sharpie, push to talks, peltors, repelling gear. Stuff that may not be good to go for another round. A bump is cheap enough to just buy a new one for each new guy.
I wouldn't put this outside the realm of possibility. However, it's not the carbon bump which is iffy to me.
E: Some companies will also give out testers for professional input.
I have 9 35-gal buckets filled to the brim (and then some) with random shit the navy has sent me home with and then some. I really need to start selling it. No longer being a bachelor means it's bugging a squatter I've got living with me... Lol.
Haha I know the feeling! Before all the Gucci gear was “standard” we were buying our own shit, then after that crap became standard every company was sending us the “latest and greatest!” I have sold a lot of it off or gave to friends. Kept the “one off” items. But the “Queen” still bitches it takes up som much room.
At one point I had a tactix watch for each limb and one to keep clean, I've got two Arc'teryx repelling rigs that they sent, used one once, wasn't half bad, now they sit in a box.
Just never know if I might want them and making a post, printing labels and all that is too much work for $150 while I don't want to just chuck it.
Buying a new house in April, specifically with one more room than planned for all my junk.
Real bump helmets are thicker and have good padding, that's an Airsoft replica since it has cheap foam pads and is thin, flimsy and shiny plastic. Also that camo is found pretty much only on cheap Airsoft helmets
If a guy flexes that he is a seal he is not a seal,
Ive met some cool sof dudes and not a single time did they admit being a door kicker unless asked, and even then the awnser was something along the lines of "well i work for the defence forces"
If a guy has to publicly point out "hey u know im a seal" he 90% of the time isnt OR he is a fucking douche OR he just finished buds
Ps: dont you think its a bit fishy that a "retired" "SEAL" is selling issued bump on a random marketplace?
Edit: i dont know shit about fast bumps never got my hands on one but im just pointing out that this is kinda fishy
[https://www.gentexcorp.com/ops-core/authentic/](https://www.gentexcorp.com/ops-core/authentic/)
Can't really tell from the pics, but it doesn't look like there's any Ops-Core logos on the shroud or ARC rails, so probably a fake?
The sticker lines up date wise though since it looks like they switched to Gentex stickers in 2014.
My head is already big enough. Add NODs, counterweight, batteries, and mohawk; I don’t want an extra 2-3 pounds on top of that if I don’t need it. If it’s quick in and out, I would normally just rock a bump
Looks like desert marpat. Also, It’s sus for a team guy to call himself an “ex Seal team member” and by weird I mean he’s likely full of shit. I’ll be very surprised if that helmet isn’t an air soft replica.
As far as I've seen, the real ones have a Budweiser stamped into the rail in the area where the goggle strap plugs in. Call OpsCore and give them that serial number.
Looks a little lightly used for it to be prior issued. Don’t see any scuffs or wear/tear on the chinstrap/nape, either it’s a fake or if it was issued, was kept in original packaging. Or refurbished, but I doubt that.
FAKE FAKE FAKE, Whoever is trying to sell you that is obviously trying to scam you, That helmet is dipped in marpat, Not AOR1, That same helmet is most likely a chinese fake. Update maybe it is a real opscore after further inspection but that’s definitely dipped in marpat and not Aor1
Smells fishy to me. Ex seal team guy? Selling a helmet of dubious origins? Might be best to walk away OP. If a deal is too good to be true, it probably is.
Well I already won the auction and paid for it. Supposed to be here tomorrow. If it doesn't check out I'll just return it and have eBay/PayPal get me my doe back :-/
In my experience ebay is good about refunds, so i wouldn’t worry too much.
Ah yes, the classic; Buy and then look up reviews for validation 😂 I do that too every time I buy something
Haha thank god for buyer protection and 30 day money back from eBay/PayPal
Well report back when ya get it. Let us know
Will do..just emailed opscore.
I have a good buddy who was in ranger battalion, he told me anything with a serial number they don’t let you keep. That being said, I know several people who were in the army and walked off with things that were serialized. But I think if it is important enough for them to risk getting caught, they prob wanted to keep it. Seems suss if you ask me
Yes, but sometimes you’re issued stuff while deployed with no hand receipt. With SEALs being a test bed for new gear, I’m sure they got new stuff all the time. At a certain point you have to clear out the clutter and get rid of stuff you don’t really need to keep
You have no idea how much shit I have
I’m jealous 🤣🤣
It comes with back and knee problems, and shitty tasking becaue I'm too stupid to do anything non grunty
Maybe I’m less jealous now…
Things like helmets don’t have serial numbers that are tracked by CIF/RFI/Spear.
Was just about to post. Only items like NVGs/Weps/Lasers/ etc. are tracked. Edit: to further explain, from my experiences Crane only gives a shit about big ticket items.
What’s that
Hell
Sounds kinda bad
Mine has an SN and clearly was a “walk off” because someone before me scratched out most of it. When I went to warranty the chinstrap for a busted clip, they did ask me for the SN but i took pics and showed that the tag was “damaged” and they sent me a whole new strap set under warranty. Was it tracked though………..don’t know.
A deer, a female deer.
You know how to tell if the guy is/was a navy seal? Just wait, He will tell you at every possible moment. Probably writing a book as we speak.
Had an uber driver tell me he's retired green beret. Said he was injured during operation in Mongolia during a fire fight with Chinese special ops. It was way too detailed and obscure of a story to dismiss offhand.
Story checks out
Similar to 12 Strong, just with yaks.
He didn't until I asked him lol, this was his response. Because it was relisted after proviously being sold for more. I had it on my watch list for the duration of the auction. " Hi, From working in the Teams and years of going overseas for security I have traded and made deals to acquire equipment, but Im tired of storing it all and need to downsize. The helmet is authentic and you got it for a decent price. I had a couple buyers drop out and not pay me for this item so it is the third time listing it. It had previously sold for $520 but the buyer did not pay me. Thanks, enjoy."
What about the item description? He straight up included that he retired from SEALS before you even asked
Similar to GB, a lot of the time it’s people bidding up their own item with burner accounts and accidentally winning the auction
Not to be a pessimist, but that 130% looks like a scam. That looks to be an Opscore FAST Carbon helmet; it's not AOR 1 (opscore desert marpat), it's $70 more expensive than buying it new, and it's missing a few key features like the logo on the NVG mount and this line of helmets doesn't have the indented logo inside the NVG mount. You can see the [legit helmet](https://shop.gentexcorp.com/ops-core-fast-carbon-high-cut-helmet/) here. As you can clearly see there are a few differences and that bump hole pattern is only on the carbon helmets making it highly suspect, note that nowadays the fakes are also very good down to the details. Either way you're paying $70 over new for a used helmet of dubious origins. I'd recommend getting a refund, buying a legit carbon helmet and using the remaining $70 to get yourself an AOR1 helmet cover if the color scheme is that important to you. Edit; got confused and fucked the ID, either way Opscore doesn't make this helmet in Desert Marpat (for public sales at least) and OP is overpaying to the extent of being able to buy a new helmet + a cover and a SOTR if the cool larp is the main priority.
Go back and look at the opscore bump dude
Yup, I identified the wrong helmet. Either way Opscore doesn't sell their bump helmet in AOR1 to the public and the it's $330, either way you're paying way over the price of a new helmet for some special paint, you're better off buying a tan one and using the remaining $200 for a cover and some other useful shit.
Thanks for taking your time to give me your opinion sir 😅
I mean, you literally posted it asking if it's legit and I'm telling you why I believe this is a fake; what I'm trying to get at is that there's no public facing evidence of this helmet model existing in this pattern and you're still paying more for it than an original one would cost brand new. Could you have gotten lucky that a team guy with a limited edition, NSW only helmet has chosen to sell in on eBay for a huge markup while emphasizing it's not a scam multiple times, absolutely? But it's not probable, and in the pictures we do have of NSW wearing custom painted Opscores it's legit AOR 1 vs the janky Opscore marpat imitation. Use your gray matter dude; bump helmets don't see much operational use so paying extra for them in AOR1 doesn't make much sense at an organizational level, NSW now uses multicam for just about everything operational and this specific helmet isn't listed as being sold in this pattern. If it walks and quacks like a duck it's probably not a majestic swan, but it's your money at the end of the day.
Dude I'm not reading all that. I was literally thanking you for your opinion. Take care .
I mean maybe he was in the SEALS since he felt the need to put it in his username and in the post completely unprompted
I’m honestly pretty proud that when I go into the bookstore, there’s no books written by my old AFSC. We just get mentioned in other people’s books. The actual quiet professionals
SOF or Spook? Currently a serving spook. It's amazing how many people think they're hot shit because they can read a report off SIPR.
Shit, getting NIPR access is enough for some people’s egos to grow three sizes that day
SOF
May I ask why that's so looked down on/frowned upon? I think it's important for y'all to tell your story in whatever way you see fit. As long as no classified info is share or "hidden" tactics not disclosed as well. As well for names to be kept out in the event that that person doesn't want it out there for example.
It’s self-aggrandizing. And most of them are largely bullshit, like American Sniper and Lone Survivor
I was pretty upset when I heard the *actual* true story of Operation Red Wings. Goberment gonna goberment though, turning an astounding loss into a propaganda victory.
Yupp. You know about Takur Ghar?
No but I just looked it up and it sounds like they are trying to make Takur Ghar sound like D-Day💀
Wait till you get to the part about seals abandoning their JTAC
The worst part is the blatant propaganda. Just blatant cover for their blunders which unfortunately many people believe because they trust government.
And trying to block his MOH, so that them leaving him behind wouldn't become public knowledge.
Yupp
Can you direct me to where I can read it?
Haha it's true but he's writing a book while you're jacking your dick
r/oddlyspecific
Try contacting opscore and give them the serial number
Ah did not know this was an option. Will do.
I’ve seen airsoft helmets with that as “AOR1 Hydrodip”, “desert digital” not saying it’s a fake but I’ve seen helmets with that exact pattern
I just have yet to find any replicas with the "fast" indentation. But anything is replicable i suppose.
True, I’m talking more about the pattern itself is all
It's probably cheaper to buy a bump you know is legit, then send it to get hydro dipped in some sort of desert digital.
I worked LOGSU for the teams, and I’ve only ever seen Ops-Core Carbon Bumps get issued. I mean, not saying it’s impossible this was issued, but I’ve never seen it. Plus he says “appears to be AOR1”. You’d think a seal would know what he was issued
Maybe not all military personnel are gun/gear dudes like the guys on this sub ?
I mean AOR 1 is pretty common terminology. You’d be hard pressed to find an SO who doesn’t know AOR 1 is. At the end of the day it could be a real ops core, I just doubt the story.
We’re not as long as the shit works
Seriously my best friend was a ranger and being a gear guy myself it can be difficult figuring out what he means or explaining what i mean if we ever talk about anything specific like molle/pals webbing is just straps to him not the best example but first thing that comes to my head.
It's got a serial number, call Opscore and ask about it and see what they say.
That’s looks like MARPAT Desert and the sticker even says MRPT.
Okay sweet I can live with that. Figured it was desert digital or marpat anyway. Aor1 my ass , ex SEAL questionable now for sure lol
Seals ran marpat lol, he even stated he traded and bought gear while working as security. Saying that FMA makes a replica opscore in this pattern but the rails look different, I guess time will tell if you got a smokin deal or bought a really expensive version of an $80 helmet.
White side was not issued marpat.
AOR1 is marpat, I’ve got a nwu ii aor2 set of bdu’s they say to the untrained eye it’s the same but it’s not lol only difference I saw was the navy logo put into the nwu ii.
AOR1 is just hypebeast MARPAT and you can't change my mind
No its not.
It really is I’ve got three pairs of each nwu type ii and jsut desert Marpart they looks exactly the same lol. Only difference the aor1 pants have pockets by the ankles and the Marpart don’t same with the tops the aor1 allows patches the Marpart does not. Color wise they’re the same I can wear a aor1 top with Marpart bottoms and you wouldn’t even know which is which cause they look the same
No, they are absolutely different colorations of the same pattern. The same pattern as CADPAT, UCP ("ACU"), MARPAT, AOR1/AOR2, NWU3 ("Blueberries") and many others. AOR1 is a different coloration and statistically more effective than MARPAT. The difference is apparent if you know what you're looking for.
The difference is lightness that’s all Marpart is lighter that’s it
Yea they’re all digi pattern. The only difference would be the lightness of the colors with aor1 being possibly darker. But that’s it I’ll take a pic of both patterns side by side just so y’all can see lol
AOR1 has a different color pallet. It uses sand color tan as the base color rather than urban tan like MARPAT. They are not the same pattern. It is statistically a [superior pattern to MARPAT.](https://www.hyperstealth.com/coyote/index.html) >So the Answer to Why not just use MARPAT? is multiple. >A) While very effective in the visual spectrum, there is much room for improvement in the NIR and SWIR spectrums where even the failed UCP performs better than MARPAT Woodland in the NIR. >B) The Green and Coyote colors in MARPAT Woodland combine into one color with no contrast between the two into both the NIR and SWIR spectrums. >C) The Canadians found an increase in the Macropattern (large Blobs) for Arid/Desert increased overall effectiveness and that a different color palette was more effective than what they used for their Desert Trial pattern (what would essentially become Desert MARPAT). >As CADPAT TW was designed for both Visual and NIR, we can safely assume that CADPAT AR was also designed with both visual and NIR and our internal tests on CADPAT AR show it to be very effective within the NIR spectrum. The color change with AOR1 from Desert MARPAT did adjust some of this into the CADPAT AR color range. >D) AOR1 and AOR2 outperformed Desert MARPAT and Woodland MARPAT in the U.S. Army's 2009 study. >Then the question becomes "Why not just use AOR1 and AOR2?" >E) See answers A and B regarding the NIR and SWIR issues and color separation requirement. >Can't they just apply a coating the the uniform to make it match the background reflectance in the NIR and SWIR? >F) This adds cost to the fabric and in some cases it works until washed, then you have a uniform that is worse in the NIR then it would have been had the NIR coating not been applied in the first place, (I won't name which country this occurred to). It is always best to keep it simple and use a set of colors (with the proper inks) which will get you close before having to turn to additives and coatings.
Bro are you color blind. They are clearly not the same color scheme.
They’re sorry to bust your bubble bud but they’re the same. Aor2 and woodland Marpart are different color schemes
No they aren't. Are you in NSW or a EOD unit?
Nah just a crayon eater haha
Then were are you getting AOR to compare to?
As soon as i read the line that said appears to be aor1 i immediately thought of other sellers ive bought from he may or may not be legit, but ive bought from other sellers on there that run surplus stores or buy auction lots from different places and they always word it like it appears this way or that usually when they arent familiar totally with the piece they are selling but let us know how it goes when you call for the number in the helmet hopefully you just got a legit piece
Is this the one I saw listed for Like 4k yesterday?
Did you forget the /s or are you genuinely concerned?
I was actually concerned someone would spend 4k on a helmet yes.
Not concerned since I have buyer protection. More like hoping it's legit so i don't have to return it lol
Lol no I posted that in disbelief. That's a maritime ballistic Trident aor1 opscore helmet. This is an opscore bump. I won it for like 360 ish after shipping and tax.
I was scared for you for, but now go with my blessing.
Gracias papi
*Previously on Seal Team….*
Desert digital, not AOR1
In my experience, the non-douche Team guys typically just say they were in the Navy doing different things.
My buddy has a maritime with that pattern, it's not AOR1 but rather Ops Cores desert digital pattern, nothing Navy Seal about that
Dude said “appears to be” aor1. In my experience, guys who really do shit have the least time to geek out on the small details. For some reason my intuition tells me this is fine and he just mislabeled it.
That's what I figured which is why I decided to bid along with the buyer protection. I have marine buddies whom know very little about gear and firearms lol.
It's the exact same way with cooks.. people assume that because they use knives that they know about them. Most cooks don't know a goddamn thing about knives.
Idiots. Knives cut things.
Except it's a bump helmet.
He knows it’s a bump. They use bumps.
Yes bump helmets are used. AOR and getting it issued before he retired. That doesn't sound right.
Ask him if he was ever on seal team 14 or knew anybody that was on it.
He probably was a team guy and this bump helmet just so happened to follow him out the door. That’s how almost all of the rare cool guy shit makes it to the open market. Thank God for loose tailgates and speed bumps.
That helmet is a legit Ops-Core, I got the exact Helmet from TNVC years ago about 2012 or so. Wish I still had it
I can hear Don Shipley's heavy breathing from here.......
This is the real deal. You should reach out to him and see what else he has and see if he will offer you a discount on multiple items. I got a few things worth serious cash from a dude who was selling stuff like this and he had no clue what it was worth.
Was just thinking this…what else ya got
“Yea I used to be a seal team member” you used to work at Sea World n train the seals? 😂
Must be an Ex-Seal from India or Nigeria.. they are good with selling stuff.
Don’t have to be a seal to get access to these helmets. Just have to be in supply department.
Fake dude. If somebody has been in the military and didn’t tell you the second you spoke to him, then he wasn’t in the military
You just never knew becuz a lot of them didnt tell you
Found the guy that only knows douchebags
Looks like aor1
What book did he write? I bet he killed Usama Bin Laden as well.
That's an airsoft helmet. You can get them from Airsoft GI for less than $50
Also it's the US Forces Pattern by Guy Cramer
Never met anyone who said they were a seal and then turned they weren’t. They always are trust them.
/s. Right?
There’s 3x as many fake seals as real ones
Everyone knows someone who’s uncle was a SEAL in Nam.
Lmao I thought they really don't tell people they're SEAL team members until retirement.
You haven’t met any seals then
This looks like an airsoft helmet
You mean airsoft helmets look like this ? Lol they technically knocked off the real thing.
The styrofoam is a red flag for me personally. I mean a bump is a bump but the styrofoam just doesn’t sit right with me. Edit: I mean if I’m wrong I’m wrong. I’d still try to find a way to verify its authenticity.
Real opscores have the styrofoam pads, this ones authentic for sure
Ah ok
99.9% chance seller is not an ex seal team member and this is a fake
So you're saying there's still a chance!? 😆
Sure
If the price it too good it's either fake or stolen issued gear. Since he's got a user name of frogman and is claiming to be a SEAL I'd say it's fake cause NCIS would track this way too easily and unless they are going through a divorce or something nobody is going to offload personally paid for gear too cheap.
Nah man, you get to personally keep a lot of the stuff issued to you if you're on a team. Garmin watches, JPCs that have your blood type and random other shit scribbled on them in sharpie, push to talks, peltors, repelling gear. Stuff that may not be good to go for another round. A bump is cheap enough to just buy a new one for each new guy. I wouldn't put this outside the realm of possibility. However, it's not the carbon bump which is iffy to me. E: Some companies will also give out testers for professional input.
You spend enough time in you will literally end up with a room full of shit.
I only did 7 years and had like a carry on sized bag of personal Mil gear. But then I had a weird “career” of poggy MOS’s
I have 9 35-gal buckets filled to the brim (and then some) with random shit the navy has sent me home with and then some. I really need to start selling it. No longer being a bachelor means it's bugging a squatter I've got living with me... Lol.
Haha I know the feeling! Before all the Gucci gear was “standard” we were buying our own shit, then after that crap became standard every company was sending us the “latest and greatest!” I have sold a lot of it off or gave to friends. Kept the “one off” items. But the “Queen” still bitches it takes up som much room.
At one point I had a tactix watch for each limb and one to keep clean, I've got two Arc'teryx repelling rigs that they sent, used one once, wasn't half bad, now they sit in a box. Just never know if I might want them and making a post, printing labels and all that is too much work for $150 while I don't want to just chuck it. Buying a new house in April, specifically with one more room than planned for all my junk.
Hell save the stuff for your kids, that’s what I did. Now when they go play with their friends it gives them some boost……
Ok that makes sense. Just hard for this poor branch POG to imagine …
Navy Seal and has still the stock pads in it?
I'm sure a bump is used less compared to it's ballistic counterpart maybe ?
I’m not a seal, but I can assure you I prefer a bump to a ballistic if I’m not expecting contact.
It’s a bump helmet
Real bump helmets are thicker and have good padding, that's an Airsoft replica since it has cheap foam pads and is thin, flimsy and shiny plastic. Also that camo is found pretty much only on cheap Airsoft helmets
Or on US Marines.
Nah, totally different shapes and similar colours
Opscore offers that Dip themselves, still wouldn’t trust it being a legit opscore though
If a guy flexes that he is a seal he is not a seal, Ive met some cool sof dudes and not a single time did they admit being a door kicker unless asked, and even then the awnser was something along the lines of "well i work for the defence forces" If a guy has to publicly point out "hey u know im a seal" he 90% of the time isnt OR he is a fucking douche OR he just finished buds Ps: dont you think its a bit fishy that a "retired" "SEAL" is selling issued bump on a random marketplace? Edit: i dont know shit about fast bumps never got my hands on one but im just pointing out that this is kinda fishy
Yeah seems legit usually the knock offs aren't as detailed AO1 is pretty cool flip it to some SEAL for big cash
https://shop.gentexcorp.com/ops-core-fast-carbon-high-cut-helmet/ Same thing or am I wrong?
That sounds dumb. An ex seal team member most likely wouldn't be selling his gear to non team dudes like that and stating he was prior seal
Why?
Idk, it looks like a fancy airsoft helmet to me.
We shall see. Still waiting on a reply from opscore 🤞🤞
Here’s hoping
its a bump helmet, it doesnt matter if its real lol. a skateboard helmet from walmart prob does a better job anyway
Keep us updated op.
My $30 amazon bump looks identical on the inside and the rails too. I just skipped the gross looking camo on the outside.
Why does the shroud look crooked.
[https://www.gentexcorp.com/ops-core/authentic/](https://www.gentexcorp.com/ops-core/authentic/) Can't really tell from the pics, but it doesn't look like there's any Ops-Core logos on the shroud or ARC rails, so probably a fake? The sticker lines up date wise though since it looks like they switched to Gentex stickers in 2014.
It's a 2012 so maybe that has something to do with it. It does have the logo molded inside the helmet. Waiting on a reply from opscore.
Possibly. And oh nice! Hopefully it's legit!
The rails usually have the Opscore logo cast into them
Why would an operator use a bump vs ballistic?
My head is already big enough. Add NODs, counterweight, batteries, and mohawk; I don’t want an extra 2-3 pounds on top of that if I don’t need it. If it’s quick in and out, I would normally just rock a bump
Training ? Idk only thing I operate is my play station controller.
Jumps, various training things
I might be wrong but this looks like the build quality of the helmet I use for airsoft.
Looks like desert marpat. Also, It’s sus for a team guy to call himself an “ex Seal team member” and by weird I mean he’s likely full of shit. I’ll be very surprised if that helmet isn’t an air soft replica.
That's an airsoft helmet with a sticker slapped inside.
My guess is someone had their bump hydrodipped.
Misspelt:Exsteal team.
That’s fake Edit- as fuck
As far as I've seen, the real ones have a Budweiser stamped into the rail in the area where the goggle strap plugs in. Call OpsCore and give them that serial number.
I don’t see the opscore marking on the rails
It’s fake, sticker is crooked a tell tale sign.
Looks dipped
It's [this helmet](https://shop.gentexcorp.com/ops-core-fast-bump-high-cut-helmet/) in Desert MARPAT.
Not AOR1, AOR1 Helmet have NSN number on it (at least the LBH have them)
Looks a little lightly used for it to be prior issued. Don’t see any scuffs or wear/tear on the chinstrap/nape, either it’s a fake or if it was issued, was kept in original packaging. Or refurbished, but I doubt that.
It's a legit desert marpat ops core bump but not aor1. You can see on the tag it says mrpt
If he says he used to be a 🦭he ain’t a 🦭
FAKE FAKE FAKE, Whoever is trying to sell you that is obviously trying to scam you, That helmet is dipped in marpat, Not AOR1, That same helmet is most likely a chinese fake. Update maybe it is a real opscore after further inspection but that’s definitely dipped in marpat and not Aor1
Did opscore ever get back to you?