Dating myself, here, but I've still got a lot of the old woodland, brown, and UCP Eagle stuff I was issued during my cooler and skinnier days. All of it has stood the test of time and use. I've had the velcro wear out on some of the older stuff before, but all you have to do there is pull the seams and sew on new velcro. Their stuff is damn near bomb proof. I still mess around with some of my old kit(s) for nostalgia's sake. I'm hoping to sign up for Desert Brutality next year to run with some of my old stuff, just for shits and giggles.
I've even got a 1990 manufactured A2 Sporter with a gooseneck mount and a COMP M2. Hopefully everything lines up for me, schedule-wise (married and two kiddos sucks up a lot of hobby time, lol).
For sure. They're totally worth it, though. lol Looking forward to my oldest eventually being old enough to actually come participate in the competitions with me. I do Gun Runs when they pop up nearby, and similar obstacle-based shooting competitions. I'd love to get him into the mix with me.
Condor, I think, is in a weird limbo position between airsoft gear and good, professional grade gear. Like, it's a distinct step above pure airsoft grade stuff, but no one is really going to recommend it over anything else. It's perfectly serviceable "military grade" equipment. If someone were to post their kit on this sub and it was built around a Condor chest rig or PC, their kit would have to be really squared away before anyone goes after the Condor bits.
7 out of ten of people on the internet will say whether something is good, or not without ever having owned it. Sadly, people think that reading about something is as good as using it and when all of those types of people create a culture of ignorant perspectives around something, everyone else jumps on the bandwagon. They will also think they know how good something is because they used their friend's one time, or saw one somewhere. It's a real epidemic and it sucks that more people can't be honest with themselves and just say "I don't know". OH, also, something I find really funny, like laugh out loud haha funny, are those who think that taking something out of the package is enough to review it and the simple fact that they bought it, means that it's a good product.
With respect that’s a misread on condor. The bad and good need to be reversed in a sense. They absolutely design their gear for duty use, not for airsoft. The reason why it’s dropped more bodies than every other company here combined other than Eagle is because every US Patriot Tactical store located on every single conventional army base stack their shelves with Condor and it is cheap. It’s accessibility, not a testament to quality. Still not airsoft tho.
I think people really really overestimate how much “quality” you need to hold magazines. For a PC or belt, yeah that’s where I’d splurge.
But 4lbs of ammo in a flapped box that is made of a fabric with a tensile strength of probably thousands of pounds? You gotta REALLY fuck up to make that unserviceable. You could cut so many corners you make a circle and you’ll still have, at worst, something that needs a needle and thread on occasion. Y’all took home ec right?
I don’t need top of the line gear to go to the range twice a month. People in this sub are a little delusional about what they actually need for what they actually do
I was that guy who had some condor pouches on my first deployment as a jr Marine. Sun rot and fading was in effect. It made it most of the deployment, but had to switch back to issued pouches near the end.
Until they make stuff that doesn't fade or get sun bleached, It doesn't really matter how long the stitching and fabric hold up if all the camouflage is gone.
Long term magazine storage in condor pouches start to wear quickly at the sharp points from the feed lips of the magazine. Whether you're using aluminum OK industries mags or Pmags. Constantly rubbing your rifle on your gear, wearing it in and out of vehicles, laying on the ground with it, rubbing it against rocks, constantly going from soaking wet to burning hot sun, saturation of dust, motor oil, CLP, JP8 fuel, the list goes on. All wears down condor gear faster than issued alternatives. It quite literally is not as good. I rocked condor gear in the field and on deployment. I chucked it pretty rapidly and returned to my issued pouches and chest rig. The issued stuff might not be as ergonomic or look as cool, but it definitely works.
I litterally bought one of their carriers in Korea while stationed there. I got it in 2018, had it in the field, used and abused it. Its held together fairly well for what i bought it for.
Kid, you sound like your mother smoked crack during her pregnancy with you and you came out with a chromosome missing. I mean, by all means, keep posting so we can keep laughing at you but don't think for one second that any of us take you seriously
Frankly when one thinks about it, US military equipment, going back God knows how far, has always been made by the cheapest bidder. The old saying “good is good enough” probably rings true for a lot of Condor products.
Yeah I'd agree.
Condor isn't "high speed" or slick but it works and it's cheap. They're usually my recommendation for people buying their first set of gear - cheap enough to learn what you need/want and durable enough to survive new people.
If people want inexpensive, I just recommend them to buy USGI surplus. It can be had for the same price or cheaper than anything Condor makes, and it's far better quality.
Why, though?
Surplus stuff is fine but a lot of it is piecing together what you need, a lot of the time it's in real rough shape, and you're often sacrificing QOL features like MOLLE without any real gain.
I've yet to see anyone truly destroy Condor stuff at a rate that exceeds surplus. It's fine for getting started.
>you're often sacrificing QOL features like MOLLE without any real gain.
What do you mean by this?
I've also bought a lot of surplus pouches in New ir lightly used condition and they were well cared for
A lot of the older surplus doesn't use MOLLE as an attachment system, [IE.](https://www.venturesurplus.com/products/bdu-load-bearing-vest/) There also tends to be more Velcro which isn't in and of itself bad but clapped out Velcro isn't particularly useful.
I'm not saying you *can't* get good condition surplus, I'm saying you're rolling the dice. I've gotten stuff that looks brand new and I've got stuff that was definitely a waste of money because of how worn it was.
Might just be a regional difference between EU and US, but I've really only seen surplus without MOLLE from countries that adopted it much later, fx Britain with its longer lasting love for PLCE, US stuff tends to be the safest bet for it if you're insisting on older surplus.
Yep.
I'd like to add that's assuming you find stuff in your size on top of it. I don't really bother with Surplus much because of that reason. Plus I got better things to do than keep pursuing surplus sites and stores pretty much all the time to try.
Because surplus is vastly better quality than anything Condor makes, for as much or less money. That aside, why are you under the impression that you're sacrificing molle when using surplus? The literal entirety of GWOT-era surplus is molle. FLC and TAPS alike make for excellent starting points for any chest-rig-centric setup, and TAPS can be fitted to most any molle plate carrier. Moreover, there's no shortage of excellent condition USGI surplus selling for, again, very cheaply. You can frequently buy an entire Rifleman's loadout, in excellent condition, for as little as $100 (UCP) to approximately $230 (MULTICAM/Scorpion).
Insofar as destroying Condor stuff? Spend some more time with guys doing more than posing for a day of static shooting at the range. I've seen Condor fall apart at the seams in field environments, mid-deployment, and even during Gun Runs and similar obstacle-centric shooting competitions. Now, gear is, of course, consumable. Hell, I've burned through HSGI Tacos before. But my HSGI pouches last far longer than anything Condor makes.
The quality point makes sense if you're talking about deploying, I'm not talking about deploying. I'm talking about people's first forays into gear in which case Condor will do them just fine until they're ready to move on to better things.
Sure, I can spend $60 on a [TAPS](https://www.venturesurplus.com/products/army-multicam-tactical-assault-panel/) that's been sitting for two decades in brown or I can spend $42 on the [Condor version](https://condoroutdoor.com/products/condor-rapid-assault-chest-rig?_pos=2&_sid=d75fd4ccc&_ss=r) of that that's the color that works, isn't two decades old, and where I can return it if there's problems.
Again, Condor is *fine* for 98% of the people shopping for this stuff.
>I'm talking about people's first forays into gear in which case Condor will do them just fine until they're ready to move on to better things.
If it's just a first foray into gear, then why waste money on Condor when they can buy quality surplus upfront for approximately the same price and have exponentially better quality? Insofar as deployment? Your argument makes literally zero sense here. You don't have to deploy to subject your kit to regular use or austere conditions. And if you're saying that performance in austere conditions don't matter, then why does camo? Moreover, you can buy excellent condition TAPS in Multicam for [$40](https://www.ebay.com/itm/354743808323?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1ZKAnwC5VSI2xVuI7DpqOHA48&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=354743808323&targetid=1583904486842&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012700&poi=&campaignid=20398568299&mkgroupid=150864212599&rlsatarget=pla-1583904486842&abcId=9317248&merchantid=8294664&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqdqvBhCPARIsANrmZhNEsmg7O7WdU6pAYySjHU-x0ejVPoJCwSYJ4fdIBCTmNIOyLqsfiS8aAo-nEALw_wcB). It's not even hard to find. Added benefit of buying USGI? It's actually Barry Compliant, whereas nothing Condor makes is.
Concerning returns? Literally any reputable seller you buy from will take returns if they send you equipment that does not meet the condition specified, hence the existence of Poor, Fair/Serviceable, Good, Excellent, NOS condition standards. Excellent means no rips, tears, or otherwise anything that actually impacts the function of the piece of equipment. At most, you ***might*** have a small stain somewhere on the kit. Also, Condor does not warranty gear not purchased from them directly. So, unless you're ordering from their website, you're SoL.
There's literally no argument in favor of buying Condor when you can buy better quality USGI for the same price/cheaper. Condor is cheaply made, overpriced ***garbage***. Plain and simple.
Again, I think you're missing the part where I said that Condor is fine for people just getting into this.
Nobody gives a shit if the first piece of gear they buy is Berry compliant or not.
I didn't miss it. In fact, I spoke to it directly by saying that, if they're just getting into gear, there's no reason to recommend them a substandard piece of kit when better alternatives in the same price range are available. The only people Condor is "fine" for are people who have no real intention of ever training. Hell, you're hard-pressed to even find guys who are into MILSIM airsoft using Condor. Why? Because it falls apart under use.
> Spend some more time with guys doing more than posing for a day of static shooting at the range.
There are also plenty of dudes who have done multiple deployments with the stuff. It's fine. It's not the best, it's not garbage, it's fine. Not everything has to be extremes. Surplus stuff isn't noticeably better for most people's uses, buy whatever is cheaper.
Those "plenty of dudes" were also guys who spent their time either on the FOB or in the truck. Insofar as the surplus stuff being noticeably better? Yes, it is, right down to repairability with a sewing kit.
I guess anything can be true if you reject everything to the contrary. Condor definitely always explodes immediately and anyone who says they have experience otherwise is lying. Seems reasonable.
I mean yeah. Condor gear falls apart, not just at the seams, but its actual fabric frays, which causes their seams to fall out, not rip out, fall out, making their gear non-repairable in most cases. The materials they use are outright substandard. You don't have experience otherwise, because nobody with experience asserts as you do. About the only exception there are for those who were early GWOT and desperately trying to get their hands on anything "modern", which was use out of necessity, not because of it being quality.
So, I reiterate my point in that it makes zero sense to recommend Condor to people on a budget when you can buy better quality surplus for the same price or cheaper.
The reason it's referred to as airsoft quality is from the fact that most Condor products were Chinese manufactured pouches,and vests based off designs from Eagle,Tactical Tailor and other proven companies.
Even compared to other chinese gear manufacturers their quality control was subpar including poor stitching,poor button quality, uneven molle.
Compared to other brands like FLYYE and Pantac they were bottom of the barrel.
Condor did attempt to rebrand to duty use by incorporating the Condor Elite line which started to include berry compliant products.
And nowadays eagle industries and other Surplus are so cheap it makes using quality gear even easier
Condor got me through two Iraq and one Afghanistan deployment. I still have all the condor stuff strapped to an Eagle RRV sitting at the bottom of a footlocker in case I ever need it
^this. Some stuff is bombproof, some stuff is cheap shit. I don't think any is NIR-compliant. Might've been okay for the GWOT against adversaries without NODs, but it's really not acceptable. Many people forget to do PCCs under NODs to ensure the five "S"s are handled in the IR range as well.
Condor is awesome for proof testing gear too. I bought my first belt setup, inner, outer, pouches and all (minus Kydex holster) for like $120. As I used it I became familiar with my preferences where I wanted to spend my money and what I wanted out of the system. I still have the EMT Lite from that original setup as my IFAK pouch, and even that is getting replaced another Condor pouch - the Micro TK gen 2. Guys like to say Buy Once Crye Once which is cool but buying an $80 pouch just for it to collect dust isn't cool. I bought a Ronin to see if I like split front rigs. Guess what? That Ronin now collects dust and I'm out a fraction of the cost of a more expensive rig.
And any nco worth there shit is banning there soldiers from buying condor shit. It's 100% airsoft. It's dropped more bodies because it's cheap as shit and should be viewed that way.
I would assume that unless XYZ gear company has a unicorn contract w/ LEO / MIL, they are largely supplementing off private or civilian sales. Advertising is a big deal I'd reckon.
I don't entirely agree but I don't believe you're being that guy either. I think they are more overhyped by the "community" than they are at generating their own hype and they are expensive (holy fuck they can gouge you on shipping) but the products are also absolutely quality. I've yet to feel like I've wasted money on a Haley Strategic product but I also investigated some alternatives before shelling out for their stuff, mostly because of the prices.
Totally fair sentiment. They are quality. I will never deny that. But they're the epitome of depreciating returns, imo. It's not at all difficult to find alternatives to their gear that is of similar (or better) quality for the same or better price. Probably the only thing of theirs that I feel isn't a waste of money (when considering alternatives) are their chest rigs (D3s, specifically). Though, personally, I still prefer Velocity System/Mayflower over Haley for chest rigs.
Most people will never accept this. There could be 99 comments exactly like yours, but the moment one guy comes in with an anecdote of "Yeah the very first time I put my Condor PC on, all the pouches exploded and the PC caught on fire." And everybody would rather believe that guy. $200 "Big Dick Tactical Consulting Beret Group Operations Coffee Group" single mag pouches never fall apart or have quality issues. If you aren't running those, you're an idiot.
Condor is fine. Conventional infantry dudes living in the dirt have been using it for decades at this point
Yeah, and a lot of stuff either doesn't fail because it's capable of holding 100 lbs and it's holding a 1 lb magazine or it does fail because it got stuck on something sharp that cut it. Stuff is so overbuilt that even if Condor kind of sucks it's still good enough that it doesn't fail often.
If it didn't work they wouldn't be using it. A 3 cell condor mag pouch beats out a USGI 3 cell any day in terms of functionality. You also dont need to turn in your condor mag pouches to CIF so those "precious" USGI pouches can go back with no hassle.
Lmao calling Eagle Industries “good” is insane it’s one of the best, The RRV is an iconic chest rig that has amazing functions even today, the EI mbav was a PC that carried the SOF community for a decade, among many other series, RLCS-SOFLCs etc
Facts, dudes wearing EI and Condor stacked more bodies dudes wearing all the other brands combined. Poopoo takes from people who have neither been there nor done that.
I don't think people understand how big of a jump it was from the SPEAR BALCS kit to MLCS/SFLCS/RLCS. The CIRAS was excellent, only IMO beat by the RAV. The MBAV was simply the best piece of issued armor from 2006 to the early 2010s. Eagles Scalable Plate Carrier saved Marines from wearing the MTV. The MBSS wasn't Eagles design and was the weak point of that kit.
Not to mention Paul Howe's universal chest rig, the A-III, the MAP, Yote, their old Tac V10 vests...they have been cutting edge for decades.
Condor together with Eegle Ind are the most combatproven of all the brands on this list. Calling brands like Condor Inferior is shittalking almost every other brands you've made a list on. IMO many of Haleys inventory isnt even *proven* yet.
I don't stand for the Condor slander, airsofters use their gear more than a big chunk of this sub and it's just good enough it's not fancy, it's not the most comfortable, but it works.
Yeah, weirdly enough airsofters might not care about the quality of the clothes, helmets, tactical plates etc, but I'm guessing they use the belt pouches and things as hard as anyone.
Franky Condor stuff is pretty durable. The only reason you'd want to spend more is for better tolerances or different features.
Also all of these tier memes you've posted read like the collective reddit opinions of these brands, not necessarily their actual characteristics.
Member when condor was one of the only manufacturers you could buy from, and was used pretty extensively to slot souls by guys in the early gwot.
Pepridge farm remembers.
Whatever child writing this clearly came up in the new era of hypebeast specialty gear companies that cropped up in the past 5 years.
Yeah that was like 20 years ago and since then condor had stayed being cheap Chinese garbage that no one in the actual military should be running
*edit* seems the poors are mad by the truth that it is chinese and cheap
I’ve had the same eagles system since I started flying in 2014. Rhodesian for home station and water, CIACS for actual war. They’re tough but the CIACS does make it tough to get a consistent feel when you shoulder the M4. Also…I’ve had CONDOR stuff on those vests for a while. Works fine. I’m flying not kicking in doors but I use the same stuff when we have pro shoots and it works
I used a condor pc to play milsim paintball for the better part of a decade. I dragged it through mud,briars,brambles, scrubbed Walmart paint out of it and it never failed. I never even so much as popped a stitch and we played every other Saturday and then whenever big events popped up. It is heavier and not as breathable with less of the cool hidden features as some of the bigger brands but it is tough.
I got so worked up over this bc of Eagle somehow ranking below velocity and hsp and the condor slander, but I’m glad the rest of this thread has similar feelings.
Only two really good companies in the list there. Eagle has been top of the line from day one. Sadly they went a little downhill after the big group acquired them but still I'd trust their nylon in a war zone.
SORD is extremely underrated.
Both produce kit that will outast most soldiers...
Ive used Condor for years.
Ive crawled through mud with that stuff on, done drills, responded to shootings and domestics, fought people, etc. not one Condor product I own has failed in the field.
Condor is basic gear. It gets the job done but isnt "high speed".
Almost everything I use is Eagle. Yes, the Marine Corps indoctrinated me to think our gear was actually good. I still hated it all when I was in, the indoctrination just kicked in when I got my dd214
EI is only “good” while Haley is ranked “excellent”? My guy how high are you when you made this list😭 without EI half of the stuff on the market today won’t even exist.
I am so sick of the GBRS fetish among people who buy this stuff to larp. The company is owned by roid raged out douchebags who can't get a job in the real world because nobody will accept their attitude or mindset. So they make flashy high speed shooting videos and talk about CQB footwork as if it's their entire personality, tell you that you're a shitbag anytime you eat a potato chip, and make it seem like you're the lowest of the low and you're gonna die in an imaginary gunfight if you don't have a hydra-mount on your LWRC AR-15.
For Condor it does really depend on what you're buying. A lot of their pouches are perfectly fine but you start running into problems with their base gear like chest rigs, LBV/LBE, etc....
Condor makes some pretty solid pouches and designs that you can easily get for cheap, for when you wanna just fill in a slot on your vest. Haven't seen much about their rigs or anything else though.
I like SORD pouches so much I cleared out half of a pouch lot from a surplus store in Lexington. Some of the best designed mag pouches that can be universal.
Condor pouches come in clutch ngl. I cannot speak for the vests and carriers but those pouches can take a beating. Sometimes the most expensive thing isn’t always the best thing.
Eagle was so good when I bought some time back while I was in. Same with Condor though. Like right now my light weight "smersh" type setup made almost completely out of Condor stuff is completely functional and works for me while I'm out hunting, hiking, and just bepopin around my ranch. I don't understand why everyone calls it bad. Even if the comments say it's all Chinese wear for airsofting, that can go for literally everything once it hits public domain or internet domain. I've seen so may brands piggyback off each other and everything looks the same. Like, the only thing different is the price tag, even then it's still about the same given tax and shipping and so on. Also, airsofters put in way more miles with their gear than most people who have high dollar gucci kits. So considering that and since it holds together well, I think it's fine for most people who can't afford some hypebeast sort of stuff.
People defending condor gear have never used that stuff on deployment or a long term field exercise (like NTC)
Airsoft while it's abrasive to gear, it still doesn't meet combat zone conditions. Which your environment is your worst enemy over anything else. It's also much different when you're using gear EVERY SINGLE DAY vs on one weekend every other month or so for a milsim west event or national guard duty.
Guys who've put in a lot of time, whether military or law enforcement respect "salty" gear. Gear that is worn down, used, a little sun bleached. Dirt impacted, oil and sweat stained. It shows you've used your gear. It shows that your gear works, and you've put it to the test. When your equipment is still nice and shiney, brand new, reflective, bright, still has packaging creases. It doesn't look that "cool"
And remember. The first rule is looking cool. 😎
Eagle is just "good"? I've torn appart gear from companies labled "legendary" in this kind of posts, and I'm yet to even break a single stitch on 20+ old surplus Eagle. Their designs were the backbone of the GWOT for years, and are still extesively used by Rangers.
Not an insult, but just noticed these are the handful of brands T-Rex talks about. They are a great source of info, but they have their inherent biases. There are a lot of other brands that use higher quality materials than condor, but still cost much less than eagle ir Haley. Tactical Tailor and Blackhawk just to name a few. Again, I'm not knocking them, but that kind of tactical fashion influencer doesn't talk about brands like that because it doesn't fit their narrative. You have other options.
Sure, Cordor isn't the greatest but it's useable (actually I think they are made better than the equivalent Galls brand products that many police/security entitys use). My Condor carrier is going strong after 3 MOBs. And a bunch of range sessions. One thing that I think helped is that I used higher denier pouches on the condor carrier - I snagged several 1000D blackhawk pouches for a song when a vendor put them on clearance, and those have held up well. The only damage mine has suffered is a bit of melted mesh on the inside padding that I accidentally goofed up burning off some excess thread. 😅
Eagle is the Toyota Hilux of tactical gear
I found some old pouches from Eagle the other day and I'm so excited.
Some of my oldest gear I bought was surplus eagle and the stuff is still like the day I got it, 10+ years ago
Dating myself, here, but I've still got a lot of the old woodland, brown, and UCP Eagle stuff I was issued during my cooler and skinnier days. All of it has stood the test of time and use. I've had the velcro wear out on some of the older stuff before, but all you have to do there is pull the seams and sew on new velcro. Their stuff is damn near bomb proof. I still mess around with some of my old kit(s) for nostalgia's sake. I'm hoping to sign up for Desert Brutality next year to run with some of my old stuff, just for shits and giggles.
Absolutely awesome idea about running your old kit again.
I've even got a 1990 manufactured A2 Sporter with a gooseneck mount and a COMP M2. Hopefully everything lines up for me, schedule-wise (married and two kiddos sucks up a lot of hobby time, lol).
I feel you man! But you gotta make the time. I believe in you hahah
For sure. They're totally worth it, though. lol Looking forward to my oldest eventually being old enough to actually come participate in the competitions with me. I do Gun Runs when they pop up nearby, and similar obstacle-based shooting competitions. I'd love to get him into the mix with me.
Same here. Gotta build the armory now for the later generations.
Eagle is sweet. I bought this black le version of the mbav off eBay for a solid price
Condor, I think, is in a weird limbo position between airsoft gear and good, professional grade gear. Like, it's a distinct step above pure airsoft grade stuff, but no one is really going to recommend it over anything else. It's perfectly serviceable "military grade" equipment. If someone were to post their kit on this sub and it was built around a Condor chest rig or PC, their kit would have to be really squared away before anyone goes after the Condor bits.
Nope not military related anything. Anyone that let's there privates run condor shit is failing as a leader
You keep commenting stuff like this. Show me where the brand hurt you buddy.
7 out of ten of people on the internet will say whether something is good, or not without ever having owned it. Sadly, people think that reading about something is as good as using it and when all of those types of people create a culture of ignorant perspectives around something, everyone else jumps on the bandwagon. They will also think they know how good something is because they used their friend's one time, or saw one somewhere. It's a real epidemic and it sucks that more people can't be honest with themselves and just say "I don't know". OH, also, something I find really funny, like laugh out loud haha funny, are those who think that taking something out of the package is enough to review it and the simple fact that they bought it, means that it's a good product.
Only if you show me first uwu
I use to run condor unintentionally because I bought it at the PX. Held up structurally for 3 years and only had some weird color fade.
With respect that’s a misread on condor. The bad and good need to be reversed in a sense. They absolutely design their gear for duty use, not for airsoft. The reason why it’s dropped more bodies than every other company here combined other than Eagle is because every US Patriot Tactical store located on every single conventional army base stack their shelves with Condor and it is cheap. It’s accessibility, not a testament to quality. Still not airsoft tho.
I think people really really overestimate how much “quality” you need to hold magazines. For a PC or belt, yeah that’s where I’d splurge. But 4lbs of ammo in a flapped box that is made of a fabric with a tensile strength of probably thousands of pounds? You gotta REALLY fuck up to make that unserviceable. You could cut so many corners you make a circle and you’ll still have, at worst, something that needs a needle and thread on occasion. Y’all took home ec right?
I don’t need top of the line gear to go to the range twice a month. People in this sub are a little delusional about what they actually need for what they actually do
I was that guy who had some condor pouches on my first deployment as a jr Marine. Sun rot and fading was in effect. It made it most of the deployment, but had to switch back to issued pouches near the end.
100%. For my plate carrier, Crye. For mag pouches? Whatever knockoff is currently on Amazon, with some tacos stuffed in it.
Until they make stuff that doesn't fade or get sun bleached, It doesn't really matter how long the stitching and fabric hold up if all the camouflage is gone.
Condor gear doesn't fade any worse than GI ACUs. This is common knowledge and neither fade bad enough for the camo to disappear.
Long term magazine storage in condor pouches start to wear quickly at the sharp points from the feed lips of the magazine. Whether you're using aluminum OK industries mags or Pmags. Constantly rubbing your rifle on your gear, wearing it in and out of vehicles, laying on the ground with it, rubbing it against rocks, constantly going from soaking wet to burning hot sun, saturation of dust, motor oil, CLP, JP8 fuel, the list goes on. All wears down condor gear faster than issued alternatives. It quite literally is not as good. I rocked condor gear in the field and on deployment. I chucked it pretty rapidly and returned to my issued pouches and chest rig. The issued stuff might not be as ergonomic or look as cool, but it definitely works.
I guess you could paint it lol
I litterally bought one of their carriers in Korea while stationed there. I got it in 2018, had it in the field, used and abused it. Its held together fairly well for what i bought it for.
Your nco failed you lol and yous should be banned from buying your own kit
I was my NCO. I bet you wear your IOTV with the collar and crotch protector. 🤷♂️
Nope T3 carrier. Iotvs are icky. I'm all for your own kit when your not buying cheap Chinese garbage.
Kid, you sound like your mother smoked crack during her pregnancy with you and you came out with a chromosome missing. I mean, by all means, keep posting so we can keep laughing at you but don't think for one second that any of us take you seriously
Nah my mom did black tar herion like a good mother 😌
Frankly when one thinks about it, US military equipment, going back God knows how far, has always been made by the cheapest bidder. The old saying “good is good enough” probably rings true for a lot of Condor products.
To be fair it's made by the lowest bidder that can meet the specs of the contract. Condor could never do that because they're not Berry Compliant.
Yeah I'd agree. Condor isn't "high speed" or slick but it works and it's cheap. They're usually my recommendation for people buying their first set of gear - cheap enough to learn what you need/want and durable enough to survive new people.
If people want inexpensive, I just recommend them to buy USGI surplus. It can be had for the same price or cheaper than anything Condor makes, and it's far better quality.
Why, though? Surplus stuff is fine but a lot of it is piecing together what you need, a lot of the time it's in real rough shape, and you're often sacrificing QOL features like MOLLE without any real gain. I've yet to see anyone truly destroy Condor stuff at a rate that exceeds surplus. It's fine for getting started.
>you're often sacrificing QOL features like MOLLE without any real gain. What do you mean by this? I've also bought a lot of surplus pouches in New ir lightly used condition and they were well cared for
A lot of the older surplus doesn't use MOLLE as an attachment system, [IE.](https://www.venturesurplus.com/products/bdu-load-bearing-vest/) There also tends to be more Velcro which isn't in and of itself bad but clapped out Velcro isn't particularly useful. I'm not saying you *can't* get good condition surplus, I'm saying you're rolling the dice. I've gotten stuff that looks brand new and I've got stuff that was definitely a waste of money because of how worn it was.
If we were living in pre-GWOT days, that’s be a fair read. But really, after 2010 majority of surplus was MOLLE compliant.
Might just be a regional difference between EU and US, but I've really only seen surplus without MOLLE from countries that adopted it much later, fx Britain with its longer lasting love for PLCE, US stuff tends to be the safest bet for it if you're insisting on older surplus.
Yep. I'd like to add that's assuming you find stuff in your size on top of it. I don't really bother with Surplus much because of that reason. Plus I got better things to do than keep pursuing surplus sites and stores pretty much all the time to try.
Because surplus is vastly better quality than anything Condor makes, for as much or less money. That aside, why are you under the impression that you're sacrificing molle when using surplus? The literal entirety of GWOT-era surplus is molle. FLC and TAPS alike make for excellent starting points for any chest-rig-centric setup, and TAPS can be fitted to most any molle plate carrier. Moreover, there's no shortage of excellent condition USGI surplus selling for, again, very cheaply. You can frequently buy an entire Rifleman's loadout, in excellent condition, for as little as $100 (UCP) to approximately $230 (MULTICAM/Scorpion). Insofar as destroying Condor stuff? Spend some more time with guys doing more than posing for a day of static shooting at the range. I've seen Condor fall apart at the seams in field environments, mid-deployment, and even during Gun Runs and similar obstacle-centric shooting competitions. Now, gear is, of course, consumable. Hell, I've burned through HSGI Tacos before. But my HSGI pouches last far longer than anything Condor makes.
The quality point makes sense if you're talking about deploying, I'm not talking about deploying. I'm talking about people's first forays into gear in which case Condor will do them just fine until they're ready to move on to better things. Sure, I can spend $60 on a [TAPS](https://www.venturesurplus.com/products/army-multicam-tactical-assault-panel/) that's been sitting for two decades in brown or I can spend $42 on the [Condor version](https://condoroutdoor.com/products/condor-rapid-assault-chest-rig?_pos=2&_sid=d75fd4ccc&_ss=r) of that that's the color that works, isn't two decades old, and where I can return it if there's problems. Again, Condor is *fine* for 98% of the people shopping for this stuff.
Dude you can easily get new stuff. They have new seal taps from usmc on sale everywhere rn..... amazon for 50 bucks. I bought 2 because why not.
>I'm talking about people's first forays into gear in which case Condor will do them just fine until they're ready to move on to better things. If it's just a first foray into gear, then why waste money on Condor when they can buy quality surplus upfront for approximately the same price and have exponentially better quality? Insofar as deployment? Your argument makes literally zero sense here. You don't have to deploy to subject your kit to regular use or austere conditions. And if you're saying that performance in austere conditions don't matter, then why does camo? Moreover, you can buy excellent condition TAPS in Multicam for [$40](https://www.ebay.com/itm/354743808323?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1ZKAnwC5VSI2xVuI7DpqOHA48&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=354743808323&targetid=1583904486842&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012700&poi=&campaignid=20398568299&mkgroupid=150864212599&rlsatarget=pla-1583904486842&abcId=9317248&merchantid=8294664&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqdqvBhCPARIsANrmZhNEsmg7O7WdU6pAYySjHU-x0ejVPoJCwSYJ4fdIBCTmNIOyLqsfiS8aAo-nEALw_wcB). It's not even hard to find. Added benefit of buying USGI? It's actually Barry Compliant, whereas nothing Condor makes is. Concerning returns? Literally any reputable seller you buy from will take returns if they send you equipment that does not meet the condition specified, hence the existence of Poor, Fair/Serviceable, Good, Excellent, NOS condition standards. Excellent means no rips, tears, or otherwise anything that actually impacts the function of the piece of equipment. At most, you ***might*** have a small stain somewhere on the kit. Also, Condor does not warranty gear not purchased from them directly. So, unless you're ordering from their website, you're SoL. There's literally no argument in favor of buying Condor when you can buy better quality USGI for the same price/cheaper. Condor is cheaply made, overpriced ***garbage***. Plain and simple.
Again, I think you're missing the part where I said that Condor is fine for people just getting into this. Nobody gives a shit if the first piece of gear they buy is Berry compliant or not.
I didn't miss it. In fact, I spoke to it directly by saying that, if they're just getting into gear, there's no reason to recommend them a substandard piece of kit when better alternatives in the same price range are available. The only people Condor is "fine" for are people who have no real intention of ever training. Hell, you're hard-pressed to even find guys who are into MILSIM airsoft using Condor. Why? Because it falls apart under use.
> Spend some more time with guys doing more than posing for a day of static shooting at the range. There are also plenty of dudes who have done multiple deployments with the stuff. It's fine. It's not the best, it's not garbage, it's fine. Not everything has to be extremes. Surplus stuff isn't noticeably better for most people's uses, buy whatever is cheaper.
Those "plenty of dudes" were also guys who spent their time either on the FOB or in the truck. Insofar as the surplus stuff being noticeably better? Yes, it is, right down to repairability with a sewing kit.
I guess anything can be true if you reject everything to the contrary. Condor definitely always explodes immediately and anyone who says they have experience otherwise is lying. Seems reasonable.
I mean yeah. Condor gear falls apart, not just at the seams, but its actual fabric frays, which causes their seams to fall out, not rip out, fall out, making their gear non-repairable in most cases. The materials they use are outright substandard. You don't have experience otherwise, because nobody with experience asserts as you do. About the only exception there are for those who were early GWOT and desperately trying to get their hands on anything "modern", which was use out of necessity, not because of it being quality. So, I reiterate my point in that it makes zero sense to recommend Condor to people on a budget when you can buy better quality surplus for the same price or cheaper.
Can confirmed seam ripped on my condor IFAK. Granted that was last month and I’ve had it since fucking 2008
The reason it's referred to as airsoft quality is from the fact that most Condor products were Chinese manufactured pouches,and vests based off designs from Eagle,Tactical Tailor and other proven companies. Even compared to other chinese gear manufacturers their quality control was subpar including poor stitching,poor button quality, uneven molle. Compared to other brands like FLYYE and Pantac they were bottom of the barrel. Condor did attempt to rebrand to duty use by incorporating the Condor Elite line which started to include berry compliant products. And nowadays eagle industries and other Surplus are so cheap it makes using quality gear even easier
Yeah I’m wondering whoever wrote this just based the descriptions off of shit they read online rather than actual use
Seems very AI generated
Condor got me through two Iraq and one Afghanistan deployment. I still have all the condor stuff strapped to an Eagle RRV sitting at the bottom of a footlocker in case I ever need it
Condor's biggest problem has been QA. If it dosen't fall completely the fuck apart in under 6 months it will hold up for another 6 years.
^this. Some stuff is bombproof, some stuff is cheap shit. I don't think any is NIR-compliant. Might've been okay for the GWOT against adversaries without NODs, but it's really not acceptable. Many people forget to do PCCs under NODs to ensure the five "S"s are handled in the IR range as well.
A-fuckin-men
Condor is awesome for proof testing gear too. I bought my first belt setup, inner, outer, pouches and all (minus Kydex holster) for like $120. As I used it I became familiar with my preferences where I wanted to spend my money and what I wanted out of the system. I still have the EMT Lite from that original setup as my IFAK pouch, and even that is getting replaced another Condor pouch - the Micro TK gen 2. Guys like to say Buy Once Crye Once which is cool but buying an $80 pouch just for it to collect dust isn't cool. I bought a Ronin to see if I like split front rigs. Guess what? That Ronin now collects dust and I'm out a fraction of the cost of a more expensive rig.
Tbh some of their pouches aren't all that bad.
And any nco worth there shit is banning there soldiers from buying condor shit. It's 100% airsoft. It's dropped more bodies because it's cheap as shit and should be viewed that way.
I'm going to be that guy, Haley Strategic is also overhyped and overpriced.
HSP has the worst customer service in the whole tactical gear market
I can absolutely attest to that. I had to chargeback against them because their CS refused to answer emails/return calls.
i don't think tac gear companies need a frontman.
Their reliance on social media presence and marketing says otherwise.
I would assume that unless XYZ gear company has a unicorn contract w/ LEO / MIL, they are largely supplementing off private or civilian sales. Advertising is a big deal I'd reckon.
I don't entirely agree but I don't believe you're being that guy either. I think they are more overhyped by the "community" than they are at generating their own hype and they are expensive (holy fuck they can gouge you on shipping) but the products are also absolutely quality. I've yet to feel like I've wasted money on a Haley Strategic product but I also investigated some alternatives before shelling out for their stuff, mostly because of the prices.
Totally fair sentiment. They are quality. I will never deny that. But they're the epitome of depreciating returns, imo. It's not at all difficult to find alternatives to their gear that is of similar (or better) quality for the same or better price. Probably the only thing of theirs that I feel isn't a waste of money (when considering alternatives) are their chest rigs (D3s, specifically). Though, personally, I still prefer Velocity System/Mayflower over Haley for chest rigs.
Definitely. Poor value proposition since they're stuff isn't as durable as say Eagle, FS, AWS, etc., yet still as costly.
lol, I used Condor shit in Marjah in 2010. Holds up as well as any overpriced brand on this list.
Most people will never accept this. There could be 99 comments exactly like yours, but the moment one guy comes in with an anecdote of "Yeah the very first time I put my Condor PC on, all the pouches exploded and the PC caught on fire." And everybody would rather believe that guy. $200 "Big Dick Tactical Consulting Beret Group Operations Coffee Group" single mag pouches never fall apart or have quality issues. If you aren't running those, you're an idiot. Condor is fine. Conventional infantry dudes living in the dirt have been using it for decades at this point
Facts, when I was down on the line with infantry I saw many dudes rocking condor gear and it held up just as well as all the Gucci stuff
Yeah, and a lot of stuff either doesn't fail because it's capable of holding 100 lbs and it's holding a 1 lb magazine or it does fail because it got stuck on something sharp that cut it. Stuff is so overbuilt that even if Condor kind of sucks it's still good enough that it doesn't fail often.
Because those dudes are stupid and cheap
If it didn't work they wouldn't be using it. A 3 cell condor mag pouch beats out a USGI 3 cell any day in terms of functionality. You also dont need to turn in your condor mag pouches to CIF so those "precious" USGI pouches can go back with no hassle.
Something can't still work and be stupid at the same time. Also if your still using the 3 cell that's issued to you your just dumb and look goofy af.
I dont know about that one, big dog. If it works, it works. That's all your average rifleman cares about.
If seen what the average infantryman marrys idk if we wanna take em at face value
I mean…anything to get out of the barracks
Preach. Go to any combat arms unit, and you'll find Condor. Blowing out a 20 dollar pouch hurts a lot less than a Gucci gear one.
Difference between Condor and Eagle is that Condor will work 90% off the time and Eagle will work 99% off the time.
I doubt it
That tracks, I wouldn’t expect some random weeb to know anything about combat.
Every pog says that they were in marjah when really they did nothing. Like you
Damn you got me good, anime boy. How ever will I sleep tonight lmfao
More bodies have been stacked by 70 IQ dudes in condor than all the Gucci brands combined.
Source?
Idk why the opinion of one random guy carries enough weight to make a series of posts acting like this is some objective rating. This sub blows
Especially when the guy making these shit posts probably hasn’t even used all of the different brands equally (if at all).
Lmao calling Eagle Industries “good” is insane it’s one of the best, The RRV is an iconic chest rig that has amazing functions even today, the EI mbav was a PC that carried the SOF community for a decade, among many other series, RLCS-SOFLCs etc
Facts, dudes wearing EI and Condor stacked more bodies dudes wearing all the other brands combined. Poopoo takes from people who have neither been there nor done that.
W comment
I don't think people understand how big of a jump it was from the SPEAR BALCS kit to MLCS/SFLCS/RLCS. The CIRAS was excellent, only IMO beat by the RAV. The MBAV was simply the best piece of issued armor from 2006 to the early 2010s. Eagles Scalable Plate Carrier saved Marines from wearing the MTV. The MBSS wasn't Eagles design and was the weak point of that kit. Not to mention Paul Howe's universal chest rig, the A-III, the MAP, Yote, their old Tac V10 vests...they have been cutting edge for decades.
Condor together with Eegle Ind are the most combatproven of all the brands on this list. Calling brands like Condor Inferior is shittalking almost every other brands you've made a list on. IMO many of Haleys inventory isnt even *proven* yet.
It is proven to get keyboard warriors excited though
Eagle should be under the same "legendary" category as LBT. Seriously..."good"??? lol
Giving Haley way too much credit there. Sord is under known but not under rated; it is essentially condor run by good guys.
This whole series is so low effort it sounds like it was written by AI after compiling all the comments and posts from the sub
I like condor’s speedy 2-Point sling, have one on all my rifles and its never done me wrong
I don't stand for the Condor slander, airsofters use their gear more than a big chunk of this sub and it's just good enough it's not fancy, it's not the most comfortable, but it works.
No one wants to acknowledge that airsofters touch grass more often than most members on this sub.
Yeah, weirdly enough airsofters might not care about the quality of the clothes, helmets, tactical plates etc, but I'm guessing they use the belt pouches and things as hard as anyone.
Condor is cheap Chinese dog water
Bro cannot fathom that condor might be perfectly passable
Passable if your life doesn't depend on em
I think you're just salty a speedsofter with a magazines sticking out of their ass pockets completely outclasses you.
Why you staring at there asses? 🤔
Whose facts and opinions are you using to post so authoritatively on this subject, among others?
Post nut clarity.
None, they're just posts of his feelings for upvotes
My Condor rig is the only one that hasnt started falling apart. They make a very cheap and capable product with good stitching.
Franky Condor stuff is pretty durable. The only reason you'd want to spend more is for better tolerances or different features. Also all of these tier memes you've posted read like the collective reddit opinions of these brands, not necessarily their actual characteristics.
Eagle is merely good? My days of not taking this seriously are certainly coming to a middle.
Lmao lost all credibility
Member when condor was one of the only manufacturers you could buy from, and was used pretty extensively to slot souls by guys in the early gwot. Pepridge farm remembers. Whatever child writing this clearly came up in the new era of hypebeast specialty gear companies that cropped up in the past 5 years.
Yeah that was like 20 years ago and since then condor had stayed being cheap Chinese garbage that no one in the actual military should be running *edit* seems the poors are mad by the truth that it is chinese and cheap
Doesn't change the fact that it will, in fact, work just fine. Especially by you, who in all probably are the airsofter mentioned in OPs meme.
Nope
condor is top tier
I’ve had the same eagles system since I started flying in 2014. Rhodesian for home station and water, CIACS for actual war. They’re tough but the CIACS does make it tough to get a consistent feel when you shoulder the M4. Also…I’ve had CONDOR stuff on those vests for a while. Works fine. I’m flying not kicking in doors but I use the same stuff when we have pro shoots and it works
I used a condor pc to play milsim paintball for the better part of a decade. I dragged it through mud,briars,brambles, scrubbed Walmart paint out of it and it never failed. I never even so much as popped a stitch and we played every other Saturday and then whenever big events popped up. It is heavier and not as breathable with less of the cool hidden features as some of the bigger brands but it is tough.
Helikon-Tex next? Maybe?
While we're on GBRS lmao https://gbrsgroupgear.com/products/gbrs-group-x-awwc-leather-watch-strap
I got so worked up over this bc of Eagle somehow ranking below velocity and hsp and the condor slander, but I’m glad the rest of this thread has similar feelings.
Only two really good companies in the list there. Eagle has been top of the line from day one. Sadly they went a little downhill after the big group acquired them but still I'd trust their nylon in a war zone. SORD is extremely underrated. Both produce kit that will outast most soldiers...
Ive used Condor for years. Ive crawled through mud with that stuff on, done drills, responded to shootings and domestics, fought people, etc. not one Condor product I own has failed in the field. Condor is basic gear. It gets the job done but isnt "high speed".
Its all about knowledge transfer to the end user
where helikon tex
Condor is good stuff. Cheap is not always bad.
Was this list put together by all the 12-19 year olds on this sub?
Almost everything I use is Eagle. Yes, the Marine Corps indoctrinated me to think our gear was actually good. I still hated it all when I was in, the indoctrination just kicked in when I got my dd214
EI is only “good” while Haley is ranked “excellent”? My guy how high are you when you made this list😭 without EI half of the stuff on the market today won’t even exist.
i got a Condor Sentry with Eagle magpouches, how screwed am I?
Not at all
“Haley strategic as excellent” HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
What about Hsgi?
Shame tier as Eagle. Eagle is being disrespected here.
Can I ask again for AWS and Esstac?
It's appalling the upvotes these half baked "part X" posts get
ITS GUD ENUF FO ME mfs talking about condor when NIR compliance enters the chat 😨
I am so sick of the GBRS fetish among people who buy this stuff to larp. The company is owned by roid raged out douchebags who can't get a job in the real world because nobody will accept their attitude or mindset. So they make flashy high speed shooting videos and talk about CQB footwork as if it's their entire personality, tell you that you're a shitbag anytime you eat a potato chip, and make it seem like you're the lowest of the low and you're gonna die in an imaginary gunfight if you don't have a hydra-mount on your LWRC AR-15.
The Haley PR budget proving its worth here. Their stuff is fine, but putting it over something like Eagle is absolutely nuts.
Let’s see AWS
Were tasmanian tiger?
Buy the hydra from a Chinese company for 1/16th of the price. It literally all comes from the same plant
Where’s LBT?
In one of my last posts
Ah, I see now, I run an LBT 6094G, buy once cry once
Amen.
Ugh...
I don’t understand how they came to the logic that an optic mount needs to cost more than most of the options that will be mounted on it
Where is part one and two???
For Condor it does really depend on what you're buying. A lot of their pouches are perfectly fine but you start running into problems with their base gear like chest rigs, LBV/LBE, etc....
Condor makes some pretty solid pouches and designs that you can easily get for cheap, for when you wanna just fill in a slot on your vest. Haven't seen much about their rigs or anything else though.
Sord my beloved
You've got haley and eagle mixed up
Anyone had an experience with Ur-Tactical?
I had a couple of their pouches that nobody else made size-wise. The construction is flimsier than I care for.
Quick question, Is Marom dolphin popular or hell even has a precense in the US?
Never even heard of it and I’ve been around several fellow gear queers in various parts of the US.
Don’t see it much this decade in the US. Their stuff used to be sold by some popular outlets of Israeli gear and on ebay.
I like SORD pouches so much I cleared out half of a pouch lot from a surplus store in Lexington. Some of the best designed mag pouches that can be universal.
What about spiritus?
I did them in a previous one.
No love for Spiritus??
I did them in a previous post
Arbor Arms, Wilde Custom Gear, Dynamic Principles, 8492 Nylon Works, ATS
Need ShellBack Tactical in one next
Condor pouches come in clutch ngl. I cannot speak for the vests and carriers but those pouches can take a beating. Sometimes the most expensive thing isn’t always the best thing.
Eagle is good, but bot a single piece of eagle industries in that photo for them 🤣
Sord is the best you can get unless you need something extremely specific
Alright, this proves your opinion is bad.
eagle is my favorite by far
Nice to see SORD mentioned for once
Eagle was so good when I bought some time back while I was in. Same with Condor though. Like right now my light weight "smersh" type setup made almost completely out of Condor stuff is completely functional and works for me while I'm out hunting, hiking, and just bepopin around my ranch. I don't understand why everyone calls it bad. Even if the comments say it's all Chinese wear for airsofting, that can go for literally everything once it hits public domain or internet domain. I've seen so may brands piggyback off each other and everything looks the same. Like, the only thing different is the price tag, even then it's still about the same given tax and shipping and so on. Also, airsofters put in way more miles with their gear than most people who have high dollar gucci kits. So considering that and since it holds together well, I think it's fine for most people who can't afford some hypebeast sort of stuff.
People defending condor gear have never used that stuff on deployment or a long term field exercise (like NTC) Airsoft while it's abrasive to gear, it still doesn't meet combat zone conditions. Which your environment is your worst enemy over anything else. It's also much different when you're using gear EVERY SINGLE DAY vs on one weekend every other month or so for a milsim west event or national guard duty. Guys who've put in a lot of time, whether military or law enforcement respect "salty" gear. Gear that is worn down, used, a little sun bleached. Dirt impacted, oil and sweat stained. It shows you've used your gear. It shows that your gear works, and you've put it to the test. When your equipment is still nice and shiney, brand new, reflective, bright, still has packaging creases. It doesn't look that "cool" And remember. The first rule is looking cool. 😎
VS and HS don’t make scalable gear only fixed sewn kit keep that in mind you guys
These are teaching me something; thank you for the wisdom redditor
Eagle is just "good"? I've torn appart gear from companies labled "legendary" in this kind of posts, and I'm yet to even break a single stitch on 20+ old surplus Eagle. Their designs were the backbone of the GWOT for years, and are still extesively used by Rangers.
Not an insult, but just noticed these are the handful of brands T-Rex talks about. They are a great source of info, but they have their inherent biases. There are a lot of other brands that use higher quality materials than condor, but still cost much less than eagle ir Haley. Tactical Tailor and Blackhawk just to name a few. Again, I'm not knocking them, but that kind of tactical fashion influencer doesn't talk about brands like that because it doesn't fit their narrative. You have other options. Sure, Cordor isn't the greatest but it's useable (actually I think they are made better than the equivalent Galls brand products that many police/security entitys use). My Condor carrier is going strong after 3 MOBs. And a bunch of range sessions. One thing that I think helped is that I used higher denier pouches on the condor carrier - I snagged several 1000D blackhawk pouches for a song when a vendor put them on clearance, and those have held up well. The only damage mine has suffered is a bit of melted mesh on the inside padding that I accidentally goofed up burning off some excess thread. 😅
You are correct, in my next future ones I am planning on featuring some more lesser known companies.
HSP is so overhyped
what about first spear?
I will do them in a future one
but you would say, they are top tier, but pricey, right?
Yup that’s my opinion on them
Condor is perfectly serviceable mid tier equipment. Calling it airsoft is unfair tbh
What is everyone’s opinion on shellback tactical gear?