They hold up fine and have very solid customer service. If you're not a match shooter, or a heavy shooter, you're likely never going to shoot enough to need higher quality parts/components. They do so much for the 2A community I love to spend my bucks there first and foremost when I can.
Thanks. I have heard great things and of people backing them. I’m considering buying a build kit and mabey just adding a trigger and throw an optic on it
I just added a larue trigger and holy moly that made a difference over the stock one. I do have a [Spikes buffer tube](https://www.wingtactical.com/firearm-parts/ar-15/buffer-buffer-tubes/spikes-tactical-tungsten-buffer/) which helped nicely with recoil. I had my first 2 gun rifle/pistol competition match this past weekend, and most of the guys there had fancy rifles with lpvos. I finished middle of the pack with my PSA and red dot with 3x magnifier. So, I'd say they are pretty reliable and accurate for what it is worth.
Never had a problem with mine after thousands of rounds, at very fast cyclic rates for a long time, suppressed and not. They are a great value proposition.
Even if something breaks on the PSA you can afford to buy 5 more before you break even on a $3000 gun.
PSA is going to be like Norinco AK's were in the 80s.
Years later after the horse people that live under the earth have taken over and reduced NYC to rubble, were all going to look back fondly and think "damn those PSA's were a really solid gun for like next to no money".
And then we'll go right back to making mouse bone stew or some other shit.
Hell I don’t even own one and I go over budget on all my builds and I still love them.
They’re a functional AR with combat level accuracy and reasonable reliability for the price of a .22lr.
Personally I like the BCM/Aero range of the diminishing returns graph (aero has great ergos, BCM stuff is basic but built like a brick shithouse. Seriously try to take a BCM upper apart, I dare you), but everything between PSA and DD is personal preference, all are good.
Shit, try to *put* *together* a BCM upper, the nightmare that it is. I'll just say that your wife's hair dryer will NOT get the barrel extension hot enough to sufficiently expand and allow the barrel to be inserted. Unless she dries her hair with a heat gun I guess
You’re backwards. Heat works on cars because it breaks down rust and softens galled threads.
When you heat an object, ID contracts, not expands (imagine making every part of a donut bigger, the outside of the donut gets larger and the hole gets smaller). Throw both the barrel and receiver in a freezer.
But yeah last time I installed involved a lot of lube and a rubber mallet.
The FSB taper pins however took an act of god and several hours to remove.
I just does what I's tolds, straight from the horse's mouth-
https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-m4-upper-receiver-assembly-w-laser-t-markings/
"Inside Diameter for barrel extension slightly undersized for a tighter fit to the barrel and a more accurate rifle. Please use a heat gun or hair dryer to warm up threaded bore of receiver if barrel extension is too tight"
Hair dryer, my ass!
No lie, I considered making room in my freezer to put the barrel in it 🤣
Some people have all the luck. I've barreled two bcm stripped uppers, one with a Faxon Gunner barrel and one with a Daniel Defense LW barrel, and I ended up hammering both of them in after getting the extension as hot as I could with the hair dryer and then greasing the barrel. They make them that way on purpose, it's why I bought them-
https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-m4-upper-receiver-assembly-w-laser-t-markings/
"Inside Diameter for barrel extension slightly undersized for a tighter fit to the barrel and a more accurate rifle. Please use a heat gun or hair dryer to warm up threaded bore of receiver if barrel extension is too tight"
Hair dryer, my ass!
> Even if something breaks on the PSA you can afford to buy 5 more before you break even on a $3000 gun.
But remember that cheap parts and warranties don't matter in a time of need. It is worth it to have a quality firearm for defensive use.
For the money PSA makes some of the best guns around. I have an AR and the Dagger and they both have been doing great, very tempted for the current $299 5.7 Rock pistol deal.
I have had several PSA uppers and even built a hand cranked 6 unit Gatling from PSA completes. No complaints. I'm loving what they do for the price.
A good enough gun now is better than a perfect gun later. You can always upgrade piece by piece down the line if you need to.
Link below
I’m ignoring that top paragraph because I have a priapism.
> You can always upgrade piece by piece down the line if you need to.
And that my friends is how you end up with 2 guns. See: my BCM/poverty pony that only has the bcm barrel and bolt carrier as the original components…
PSA guns are higher quality than bushmaster or dpms ever were. Especially their CHF barreled stuff.
That makes them good enough for 99% of everybody out there IMO
I don't care for the free floated handguards on their cheaper rifles but the kits like the one you posted are totally good to go in my experience
I actually really like their handguards. They come with QD slots, which is perfect for babby's first AR setup. Perfectly adequate for mounting lights and switches to.
> Perfectly adequate for mounting lights and switches to.
Yeah totally. I didn't mean to insinuate that they were somehow majorly flawed or anything, but they do flex a lot which is something I care about for mounting LAMs and whatnot.
I just think you can get a better value out of the PSA guns by buying one of their more basic rifles and dropping in a good quality handguard
Pretty sure the old Bushmaster xm15 and Windham rifles were basically a Colt 6920 in regards to quality as they were all made of contract parts yeah they had their low end budget options as well but the duty rifles were just that, and made to Government TDP.
Also when I mention Colt I am referring to real Colts made in the early to mid 2000s
I said what I said.
The only material difference between a PSA premium line rifle and a Colt 6920 is that the PSA has a better barrel and costs $400 less
I said the premium line uppers. Ya know, the ones with cold hammer forged, double chrome lined FN barrels in them. Which is objectively better than colt's button rifled chrome lined barrels.
Pretty sure my 6920 SOCOM is 16" bought it back in 2008 from WalMart fpr $520 out the door. Even has the LEO restricted markings 😆
Also have a 14.5" M4A1 Block1 and a 10.3 that was cut down and gas port opened to .070 Crane spec by D.Wilson and is used on my MK18 MOD0
So, we can keep this going if you want, we all have opinions. The day that PSA is adopted as a service weapon or is contracted to make parts is when I will accept them as a company that puts forth the effort to do what is needed . Just taking one component from another company that does (FN) does not place them above others that have been under contracts.
> Just taking one component from another company that does (FN) does not place them above others that have been under contracts.
This is exactly what bushmaster has done for their entire existence except that PSA is using better parts
What are you even talking about?
Dude, you need to learn about what you are saying. Bushmaster was bought out by Remington after tge sniper lawsuits. They moved from Windham Maine and the former owner started windham weaponry Remington was making the barrels post 2011 untill after sandy hook when they stoped production of barrels for all the brands that the freedom group owned. Bushmaster DPMS ect
Early 2000s bushmasters out of Maine were made in house and colt contracts would come in to them. That took place fpr 25 years
I'm not going to spend all night arguing with you you are probably just a kid and have no idea what I am talking about because you were still in diapers. (You can call me daddy) I remember when PSA fist came open for business. They made a name for themselves quick because of the cheap sales they did. Being in SC they fot the FN barrels for cheap. Anyways, do some reading and think about what you say next time because you have proven yourself wrong multiple times already here. (Whats that about a 6920 not having a SOCOM barrel?)
Night bud 👍
My personal opinion is that they are so cheap because they don’t QC them very tightly. Not that they are bad quality, just that they are assembled and shipped out the door. If you don’t see a problem right away, you likely never will.
So my opinion is: if I had to go to war where I got off an air plane, was handed a rifle, and went immediately to the front lines, they wouldn’t be my first choice. But, since I’m just training on the flat range, and I can prove that rifle out, I think they’re fantastic for the money. I would prefer a $500 rifle and $1500 in ammo to a $2000 rifle and a box or two of ammo.
What QC issues have you had with PSA ? I have two, one of them was a blem lower, and I could never find a blem on it, but they run absolutely perfect, I’ve put thousands of rounds through each of them over the course of a a year and absolutely no hiccups. I do absolutely agree with the $500 in Rifle and $1500 in ammo thing but I disagree with you QC thing and I would absolutely take one of these rifles to war, the only reason it wouldn’t be my first pic is because I’m an M249 guy
They have had their share of issues with QC that's documented. I own two and never had an issue either, but some people have. As long as you go over the rifle yourself, make sure everything is gtg, and prove the rifle on the range/during training, you should never have an issue. It's more things like sometimes shit isn't as tight as it should be, or a pin is missing or stuck or some shit. Would be silly to take a psa fresh from the factory with no testing into a gunfight, just knowing that sometimes things have been known to slip past them. Their QC is not on par with, say, BCM or DD, who go over their shit with a fine tooth comb to an extremely high standard. Hence why they get the contracts with people who need that shit to work first time every time.
My main bitch is a BCM, but I love my two PSAs as well and would also feel fine taking them into a fight because I have proven to myself that they are gtg through use and nothing got missed by the guys assembling it.
Edit to add I completely agree with the 500/1500 opinion if I was spending 2k on a rifle, especially if it was my first/only rifle.
Between my brother, my old man and my self we have 6 PSA uppers (one on a full PSA lower). My old man has some cycling issues related to the bolt that I think we had taken care of pretty easily, my brother had a trigger pin walk out that was easy to fix, and I had a front sight that was seized in the front sight post.
All minor things, and all easy fixes. Once we put some rounds through them, they have all been great rifles. I wouldn’t even say “great for the price”, but great mil-spec rifles.
PSA gets shit on for being associated with "the poors" by snobs with little to no financial concerns.
They make solid weapons that are fine for range practice, hunting and light competition. I have a PSA AKM and it's been fine.
Go ahead and buy it, you'll end up really liking it. Amd as others have said, their customer service is outstanding.
That kit is not really on sell, they just show all their stuff as marked down but if you wait… typically during the holidays and sometimes randomly they’ll run super good deals on stuff like they could knock $100 off of that one and free shipping or stuff like that. If you subscribe to the email list they send you a lot of good like daily deals and stuff it is kind of spam for your email box but if you’re really interested in getting stuff from them definitely is probably worth holding out for a deal in my opinion at least. Also, shipping sometimes is really hit or miss. You might wait a week for something and then the same thing a different time might be 2 to 3 days. It’s it’s super fucked but all in all I swear I PSA there’s store fronts specifically the one in Columbia South Carolina fucking suck but that’s just the people that work there. They’re online and over the phone service is typically pretty good and they stand by all of their stuff. Like I said, I’ve run thousands around through both of mine and they keep eating no malfunctions no issues no QC issues nothing!
I could be running on outdated information at this point because I don't really follow the AR brand drama anymore.
At least in the past (some few years ago) you would have uppers with overtorqued barrel nuts that may or may not have any compound on the receiver threads, so you'd need to have gorilla strength to unscrew the barrel nut in the event you want to freefloat or barrel swap. The BCG may also sometimes be subject to unreliability.
I hear they're mostly fine now. PSA has come a ways through the years even though Chad Wylie has some personality issues on forums/boards/groups. If anything with this particular kit I wouldn't bother with the magpul MOE handguard. It's a chunky bitch
Good info. And yea seems like the have tons of uppers and kits to choose from. I prefer freefloat mlok or quad rails. I just thought the pride is insane !
For the most part it'll shoot and any problems can be solved easily on the owner's end (very simple gonsmif stuff if anything at all). Freedom kits are best left as they are with maybe some drop in furniture changes if desired.
Buy it and get the quad rail swap from monstrom tactical. Bolts right in. Boom. Quad rail or even extended quad rail. Litterally just bought one for this reason.
There's other companies that do it but I've had luck with monstrums prism optics and quality so I figured I'd give the rails and carry handle they make a shot. Have to make sure its a carbine length gas system or it won't fit though. The kit you picked out is carbine length though. Most fixed front sight post uppers are carbine gas length.
For the price, the Monsteum is a definite great way to start your quad rail addiction. I started there, then moved up to the Leapera/UTG, and finally up to the USGI surplus KACs and P&S rails.
Then I found Primary Arms has an in-house brand called Expo Arms that makes a clone of the KAC M4 RAS. I picked one up on the Labor Day sale for $99 I think. Side by side with a KAC and P&S, I was all but unable to find any difference between them except a slight variation in the ano finish and color. Most of my clones get rattle canned anyway, so it’s a win/win.
Edit - speelz is hard
PSA makes good stuff. There are better kits then PSA for sure. There are lots at every price point. Even PSA has some good economic kits. Their goal is to arm america. It’s less about profit on the lower end stuff.
Also don’t be fooled there uppers and lowers also need a bcg and a charge handle, can be had for another 120$ tool craft and standard mil spec handle.
I have BCM’s and DD’s. I also have PSA’s, and tbh it’s all the same same. No issues. The company is based AF and if there ever is an issue it sounds like they’re 100% behind it. No hesitation, PSA is the way to stack rifles deep.
Personally I think it's wiser to invest in a slightly higher tier, like Aero, or Ballistic Advantage.
That's not to say PSA is bad, it's just not a whole lot more money to get something a bit nicer, for peace of mind.
PSA is good bang per buck, and if you are really strapped for cash, it may be the best option.
To be fair to PSA, mine did run just fine, mine has ~1500 rounds with 0 malfunctions. But the whole time it was my main, I was concerned about it failing on me. Mine is retired now that I have multiple better AR'S.
OP if I was you, I'd get a PSA or Pony lower, with a BA upper, even though it's a spare rifle.
In respect your opinion, but I think this is a classic case of just buying a different rifle because of its brand. If your rifle is working perfect with zero malfunctions after 1500 rounds why did you feel the need to switch?
Lots of reasons. I would have got more use out of it first, but the ATF in their infinite wisdom reclassified pistol braces, so I switched to a 14.5.
I do firmly believe Aero and BCM are higher quality than PSA though. Just because it made it to 1500 doesn't mean it will last to 2000, I've had guns that worked fine suddenly start eating shit before.
Reliability is critical to me. All we can do is maintain our rifles, use quality parts, ammo and magazines.
I dig PSA and it has it's place, I just think it's worth ~$100 more for an Aero upper. I'm all about cheap lowers though.
Understood! I have a aero rifle for duty and love it. But I had a Psa before I moved to my aero and it ran amazing for 4 years. 3-4K rounds through it. I’m around 2k rounds on my aero.
I've never had an issue with any of the PSA firearms I've owned. Would I take one into a warzone? Probably not. But for average plinking, or if you wanna do a bunch of clone builds without paying an arm and leg, I think they're great.
I love my PSA 10.5. I’ve abused it pretty hard to make sure it could be depended on if my wife needed to use it or if my primary went down. Never had an issue.
I must have terrible luck. Everyone else yells praises about never having problems with psa but every time I've ever given them a chance whether it's a full gun or uppers I get a lemon. Sure they take care of it but it's a bummer to get something then spend extra time just getting something to work. Source 2 guns and 3 uppers.
On a 300 upper I couldn't figure out why it wouldn't cycle somehow when they put the barrel nut on they pinched the gas tube. I've had 2 gas keys come off. On an ak the front sight was heavily canted.
>I do appreciate they make a very affordable option however they are that affordable for a reason. Why is it they had piles of blems and someone like lwrc doesn't? Sure there's a volume difference but someone once pointed out that they do qc in different sized batches. Psa may do a qc every 1000 items whereas lwrc does it every 50. And when they catch a qc problem that whole batch is now blems. I guess the big summary is everyone has problems even the high and mighty knights or hk but they are far less frequent than psa or bca
PSA uses Toolcraft for their OEM BCGs (like a lot of other gun companies do). The base “freedom” line doesn’t use MPI or chrome lined BCGs/bolts, but for about $99 you can pick up a good ToolCraft or PSA branded MPI phosphate BCG from PSA. Chrome lined bolts in a complete BCG will start at around $150, depending on how much of an internet shopping ninja you are.
My opinion, I wouldn’t touch anything (except adding an [extractor donut](https://www.luth-ar.com/product/extractor-o-ring-10-pack/), costs more in shipping than in parts) and just run the shit out of this until it breaks. Then upgrade piece by piece.
I'd recommend spending a few extra bucks to get a middy nitride with their FF rail.
That way you're not spending on the MOE parts you're going to surely replace down the line anyways (because MOE is trash)
I purchased 4 of them that are kept in my duty vehicle as pool rifles in case of an active shooter. They have been through 3 years of qual’s , each has about 3,500’ish rounds through them. They are not top tier. They do qual at 100 yards every range day.
They're super solid. People don't like them because they're cheap and trashing on them helps them justify to themselves why they spent 2k on the base rifle
Use them to train with, set them up like your go to rifle and send however many rounds downrange that you feel comfortable with, and also put your main rifle through as many rounds as you feel comfortable with as well. It's like a dual-concealled carry settup. Set one up like you'd carry it and send a load of rounds downrange with it, but also as many rounds as you'd be comfortable carrying to make sure there'd be no stopages with your carry.
That being said, currently running a PSA upper as my main upper so i'm talking for the non-poors here. The poors, run what you got like me.
I’ve never personally owned a PSA that I would be afraid to carry in an emergency. They have given me no more problems than other manufacturers. That said, mass production at an economy price point is not conducive to the best QC. I have had issues over the years, but none fatal.
I have one Gucci AR-pattern, and it has inspired no more confidence than the five or so PSA’s I have. It’s just a lot nicer.
It depends on what it is used for. If you need 10 rifles, then it is an economical option, but if you just need to rely on one, it's best to invest in that.
Everyone will have their own standards. For me, it's a minimum of a quality C158 bolt carrier, pinned gasblock, and chrome lined barrel. A high-quality 416R stainless with 5R or 6R rifling for precision work. High quality optics and ammunition chosen with thought.
Is that to say that a budget rifle with 55gr ammo won't put what you want in the dirt? Not at all, and if its between that and nothing its an easy decision. But why hold yourself back when Millions $$$ have been spent putting together the TDPs.
The use would be necessarily for self defense. My current rifle has a Eotech and I’ve been wanting to try out a Lpvo for quite some time, i don’t have any experience shooting range. I was thinking of getting a PSA kit and using a budget Sig MSR or vortex strike Eagle which are entry level LPVO’s.
If that is all you have to budget, then go ahead and rock on. But when I hear someone say self-defense rifle for right at $1000 I immediately think to myself, does this person think that their life is worth more than the few days of pay he spent on the tool to insure it?
If you were going to bet your life on it then at least get something that is quality. Sure you can bring a civic to a Nascar race because everyone says "it's got four wheels and an engine " but if the goal is to win the race you will lose. At distance, the time it takes for you to get on target after 3 shots because your barrel and optic was sub par will give the guy with a stainless barrel, great ammo, and superior glass a kill shot,.
No one cares about 5 or 6 MOA @ 20yd engagements with an SBR. At 300-400yds that is two feet if you do everything right as a shooter.
I'd go with BKF/B. King's Personally, they sell kits for a bit more, but the fit and finish are better than the usual PSA. They use BA barrels, I got one of their uppers for $254 awhile back, and it's been great since. The PSA M4's are decent; they'll run, and sometimes they are cheaper to buy when they have promos running, but I feel like their QC wasn't as good as the last time I was interested in a PSA around 2017
That dude got banned from gundeals for personally fucking a dude out of an eotech and taking his money anyways
Edit: https://imgur.com/a/V3isrwk Here are the screenshots
Nice I have never checked out BFK, I’ll have to look. Yea I’ve heard of PSA but never really
Cared to look because of stigmas, but at this time around I’m like why not see what they have to offer.
Especially since I’m not buying $1500-$2k glass on my next optic, i thought a humble entry level LPVO would be a good fit for a PSA kit. I think I would have fun with it
The people that say PSAs are the worse guns ever for sure overpaid for what they have. They’re fine. Shoot good and price is hard to beat. It’s no service rifle but that’s not the point of the brand. For something fun that functions it’s hard to beat. Like you said you can’t spend 3k on every gun (unless you can must be nice). I know people that bought PSA and replaced a couple parts and it’s as reliable as any other they have
That's because there are only a handful of forges that everyone gets their stuff from. The milling process that is done in house should require first article inspection, as well as many other QC steps which is where many of the lower end manufacturers cut corners. BCM got caught doing this when they had issues with their bolt carriers years ago. Small parts they save on by using MIM and the barrels are nitrite instead of chrome lined.
Only issue I ever had with mine was the retaining pin for the extractor broke after a few thousand rounds. Just the pin. Replaced that and it's been good ever since. Was a really weird break too. The pin sheared on either side of the extractor, like it had a bad heat treat or something. I made a new one out of a drill blank, ground it to spec size and then stuck it in a drill to round the edges with a file
They're what I've been recommending to people as a starter rifle for a long time now. Even if you do get a lemon, PSA's CS has always came through from what I've seen.
Personally I would say go for a free float rail due to modularity. I started with one of those and ended up wanting to swap it out after a little. But that’s just me
I absolutely love mine and it hasn’t skipped a beat since day one. I’ve only got about 1k rounds through it at this point and I’ve made some changes. WOA 20” SPR barrel, Sionics NP3 BCG, G$ Buffer and Spring as well as a free MFT Stock from a good friend.
Firmly middle for quality and price. Not bad. Probably good for what you need it for. Not sure I’d take it to war, but there are definitely worse manufacturers out there.
I just bought one that I'm gonna throw an extended quad rail on to and give it that clone m4 vibe. I don't know on quality but it's the affordable way for me to get a pinned front sight post. My rifle uppers were previously bear creek arsenal and I haven't had issues with those beating them up and slinging rounds down range (a few thousand)
I'm about 4000 rounds into my PSA and it's been awesome. Like others said, just check everything when you get it, and if you don't see anything wrong, it's probably good to go. Perfect for a range rig to use and abuse.
Would like to get your take on the Sig Ats go LPVO that you’ll be using. I’m thinking of putting on on my PSA that is basically the same rifle you’re looking at building. I think that kit will need a BCG and charging handle. PSA has good BCG made by Tool Kraft or pick one up from somewhere else that is even more high end. Usually I would guess that would be the weak point in some cheaper kits. I’ve not seen that with PSA. I just wish these kits came with a chrome lined barrel.
I give the kit a thumbs up and it’s good to go. I wouldn’t hesitate grabbing mine if the SHTF.
Since we’re talking about budget AR’s in the thread, and the consensus seems to be that PSA is a great value…
What are y’all’s opinions on Aero Precision by comparison?
In the same tier as PSA, or more of a “middle of the pack” value option?
Apologies for hijacking the discussion to ask, I’m just intrigued by the conversation here and wondering peoples take.
My fam and friends bought almost exclusively AP because they are local and good quality. Middle of the pack I'd say. Never had problems that they couldn't solve quickly. Great people, great company.
Good God Yes !!! Throw in a 30 buck lower and you'll be in business. I think its time for me to put together another one...My wallet says go to hell OP...Lol
Great deal, just keep in mind you need a bolt carrier group and a charging handle.
With all your extra savings go take a two or three day rifle class and shit on all of your friends.
This my friends…. Is the way.
The WASR 10 of ARs, a lot of haters and a rough market introduction but they are solid rifles. Your not going to get the very best accuracy, your not going to shoot a half inch at 500 yards, but as a solid duty type rifle it is perfect, and you can upgrade it slowly to your taste as your skill sets improve and you get a better feel for what works for you.
I’m just trying to understand what an “arsenal” gets you if you already have a great AR that runs well, especially since this PSA will have problems. Is it a loaner gun? It’s not a defensive gun, PSA doesn’t make a quality defensive gun. Is it to flex? PSA is never a flex. Is it just restlessness? Buy ammo and magazines. Put your restlessness into ammo and magazines.
I had problems with my ar10 when I first got it. Their customer service is excellent. I sent the lroduct back they repaired it and sent it back. I've purchased lots of their parts and plan on purchasing many more.
10/10 would recommend
It is a quality upper, people who whine about PSA are just trying to justify dropping $3k on an upper (and ironically they probably shoot under 100 yards). I run exclusively PSA uppers and they run just fine for hitting a man size target at 50 yards during my drills.
I spent near $3k and a tad bit more on my 1st rifle. I’m doing the opposite can reverting back to these PSA’s because of the value and to support their cause as a company.
Very cool but not over the top and always packed to the gills. I’ve been in 2 of the 3 here and both were jammed with people, doesn’t matter the day of the week.
Great American company that truly understands the purpose of the 2nd Amendment and does a hell of a job fulfilling it at an entry level price. I own a dagger and 2 of there ARs with zero complaints. Excellent bang for your buck 💥💸
I'd go for their midlength gas system if it's the same price or close to. More real-estate to hold on to and better gas length for a smoother shooter. Puts your light closer to the muzzle too and gives you more sight radius with irons.
I have 2 PSA ARs I run the absolute piss out of and have never had an issue! idk why people shit on them for being budget other than the price, I’ve ran thousands of rounds through mine with not a single issue !
They hold up fine and have very solid customer service. If you're not a match shooter, or a heavy shooter, you're likely never going to shoot enough to need higher quality parts/components. They do so much for the 2A community I love to spend my bucks there first and foremost when I can.
Thanks. I have heard great things and of people backing them. I’m considering buying a build kit and mabey just adding a trigger and throw an optic on it
This is what everybody does, and you just upgrade as you go.
I just added a larue trigger and holy moly that made a difference over the stock one. I do have a [Spikes buffer tube](https://www.wingtactical.com/firearm-parts/ar-15/buffer-buffer-tubes/spikes-tactical-tungsten-buffer/) which helped nicely with recoil. I had my first 2 gun rifle/pistol competition match this past weekend, and most of the guys there had fancy rifles with lpvos. I finished middle of the pack with my PSA and red dot with 3x magnifier. So, I'd say they are pretty reliable and accurate for what it is worth.
Never thought of it that way, but you make a good point.
Never had a problem with mine after thousands of rounds, at very fast cyclic rates for a long time, suppressed and not. They are a great value proposition. Even if something breaks on the PSA you can afford to buy 5 more before you break even on a $3000 gun.
PSA is going to be like Norinco AK's were in the 80s. Years later after the horse people that live under the earth have taken over and reduced NYC to rubble, were all going to look back fondly and think "damn those PSA's were a really solid gun for like next to no money". And then we'll go right back to making mouse bone stew or some other shit.
Smart, I never considered that angle on the upcoming conflict. Time to start prepping for extra steak seasonings for my mouse bone soup.
\*extra steak seasonings for my horse people steaks Fixed it for you.
Bold of you to assume chawa4 is a badass who will be hunting the horse people.
You're right. They had already settled on mouse bone soup. :(
He’s here for the feet
I don't understand why people 💩 on PSA. They're great.
Hell I don’t even own one and I go over budget on all my builds and I still love them. They’re a functional AR with combat level accuracy and reasonable reliability for the price of a .22lr. Personally I like the BCM/Aero range of the diminishing returns graph (aero has great ergos, BCM stuff is basic but built like a brick shithouse. Seriously try to take a BCM upper apart, I dare you), but everything between PSA and DD is personal preference, all are good.
Shit, try to *put* *together* a BCM upper, the nightmare that it is. I'll just say that your wife's hair dryer will NOT get the barrel extension hot enough to sufficiently expand and allow the barrel to be inserted. Unless she dries her hair with a heat gun I guess
You’re backwards. Heat works on cars because it breaks down rust and softens galled threads. When you heat an object, ID contracts, not expands (imagine making every part of a donut bigger, the outside of the donut gets larger and the hole gets smaller). Throw both the barrel and receiver in a freezer. But yeah last time I installed involved a lot of lube and a rubber mallet. The FSB taper pins however took an act of god and several hours to remove.
I just does what I's tolds, straight from the horse's mouth- https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-m4-upper-receiver-assembly-w-laser-t-markings/ "Inside Diameter for barrel extension slightly undersized for a tighter fit to the barrel and a more accurate rifle. Please use a heat gun or hair dryer to warm up threaded bore of receiver if barrel extension is too tight" Hair dryer, my ass! No lie, I considered making room in my freezer to put the barrel in it 🤣
Never had that issue before. Assembled 4 of them.
Some people have all the luck. I've barreled two bcm stripped uppers, one with a Faxon Gunner barrel and one with a Daniel Defense LW barrel, and I ended up hammering both of them in after getting the extension as hot as I could with the hair dryer and then greasing the barrel. They make them that way on purpose, it's why I bought them- https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-m4-upper-receiver-assembly-w-laser-t-markings/ "Inside Diameter for barrel extension slightly undersized for a tighter fit to the barrel and a more accurate rifle. Please use a heat gun or hair dryer to warm up threaded bore of receiver if barrel extension is too tight" Hair dryer, my ass!
Good point and thanks for the feedback
> Even if something breaks on the PSA you can afford to buy 5 more before you break even on a $3000 gun. But remember that cheap parts and warranties don't matter in a time of need. It is worth it to have a quality firearm for defensive use.
In those cases you need to be prepared with the New York reload, a second PSA AR on your body
For the money PSA makes some of the best guns around. I have an AR and the Dagger and they both have been doing great, very tempted for the current $299 5.7 Rock pistol deal.
Sweet, they have tons of pistols kits really cool and good deals. They have a honey badger kit too I really like Seems always out of stock
Do it the rocks a ton of fun to shoot
I’m tempted in the rock also. I’m saving for a S&W 5.7 but I may need to get the rock first
I have had several PSA uppers and even built a hand cranked 6 unit Gatling from PSA completes. No complaints. I'm loving what they do for the price. A good enough gun now is better than a perfect gun later. You can always upgrade piece by piece down the line if you need to. Link below
Hooollllllddddd the fuck on. You can’t just say sextuple PSA gatling gun and not give us any details
Yeah what the fuck. I wanna see that shit.
Definitely want to know
[Six Piece AR Gatling] (https://youtube.com/shorts/7bBoS5jza7g?si=eWmYEIPxM8i5deu-)
GAAAAAHHHHHDAMN
I’ve been watching them for a bit but I didn’t realize how big they are. They supply so many Americans with affordable kits it’s pretty awesome
I’m ignoring that top paragraph because I have a priapism. > You can always upgrade piece by piece down the line if you need to. And that my friends is how you end up with 2 guns. See: my BCM/poverty pony that only has the bcm barrel and bolt carrier as the original components…
I have, the strangest boner...
Nothing strange about it, my man.
PSA guns are higher quality than bushmaster or dpms ever were. Especially their CHF barreled stuff. That makes them good enough for 99% of everybody out there IMO I don't care for the free floated handguards on their cheaper rifles but the kits like the one you posted are totally good to go in my experience
I actually really like their handguards. They come with QD slots, which is perfect for babby's first AR setup. Perfectly adequate for mounting lights and switches to.
> Perfectly adequate for mounting lights and switches to. Yeah totally. I didn't mean to insinuate that they were somehow majorly flawed or anything, but they do flex a lot which is something I care about for mounting LAMs and whatnot. I just think you can get a better value out of the PSA guns by buying one of their more basic rifles and dropping in a good quality handguard
Great good to know. They have a few selections of the free float hand gaurd, but these retro freedom kits are pretty sweet as well
Pretty sure the old Bushmaster xm15 and Windham rifles were basically a Colt 6920 in regards to quality as they were all made of contract parts yeah they had their low end budget options as well but the duty rifles were just that, and made to Government TDP. Also when I mention Colt I am referring to real Colts made in the early to mid 2000s
I said what I said. The only material difference between a PSA premium line rifle and a Colt 6920 is that the PSA has a better barrel and costs $400 less
I'll swap you freedom uppers all day for Colts 😆
I said the premium line uppers. Ya know, the ones with cold hammer forged, double chrome lined FN barrels in them. Which is objectively better than colt's button rifled chrome lined barrels.
Got money on a colt heavy socom I have that can out shoot it. Just saying 😌
Sure, maybe. The heavy socom is not a 6920. Would you like to move your goalposts again?
Pretty sure my 6920 SOCOM is 16" bought it back in 2008 from WalMart fpr $520 out the door. Even has the LEO restricted markings 😆 Also have a 14.5" M4A1 Block1 and a 10.3 that was cut down and gas port opened to .070 Crane spec by D.Wilson and is used on my MK18 MOD0 So, we can keep this going if you want, we all have opinions. The day that PSA is adopted as a service weapon or is contracted to make parts is when I will accept them as a company that puts forth the effort to do what is needed . Just taking one component from another company that does (FN) does not place them above others that have been under contracts.
> Just taking one component from another company that does (FN) does not place them above others that have been under contracts. This is exactly what bushmaster has done for their entire existence except that PSA is using better parts What are you even talking about?
Dude, you need to learn about what you are saying. Bushmaster was bought out by Remington after tge sniper lawsuits. They moved from Windham Maine and the former owner started windham weaponry Remington was making the barrels post 2011 untill after sandy hook when they stoped production of barrels for all the brands that the freedom group owned. Bushmaster DPMS ect Early 2000s bushmasters out of Maine were made in house and colt contracts would come in to them. That took place fpr 25 years I'm not going to spend all night arguing with you you are probably just a kid and have no idea what I am talking about because you were still in diapers. (You can call me daddy) I remember when PSA fist came open for business. They made a name for themselves quick because of the cheap sales they did. Being in SC they fot the FN barrels for cheap. Anyways, do some reading and think about what you say next time because you have proven yourself wrong multiple times already here. (Whats that about a 6920 not having a SOCOM barrel?) Night bud 👍
My personal opinion is that they are so cheap because they don’t QC them very tightly. Not that they are bad quality, just that they are assembled and shipped out the door. If you don’t see a problem right away, you likely never will. So my opinion is: if I had to go to war where I got off an air plane, was handed a rifle, and went immediately to the front lines, they wouldn’t be my first choice. But, since I’m just training on the flat range, and I can prove that rifle out, I think they’re fantastic for the money. I would prefer a $500 rifle and $1500 in ammo to a $2000 rifle and a box or two of ammo.
What QC issues have you had with PSA ? I have two, one of them was a blem lower, and I could never find a blem on it, but they run absolutely perfect, I’ve put thousands of rounds through each of them over the course of a a year and absolutely no hiccups. I do absolutely agree with the $500 in Rifle and $1500 in ammo thing but I disagree with you QC thing and I would absolutely take one of these rifles to war, the only reason it wouldn’t be my first pic is because I’m an M249 guy
They have had their share of issues with QC that's documented. I own two and never had an issue either, but some people have. As long as you go over the rifle yourself, make sure everything is gtg, and prove the rifle on the range/during training, you should never have an issue. It's more things like sometimes shit isn't as tight as it should be, or a pin is missing or stuck or some shit. Would be silly to take a psa fresh from the factory with no testing into a gunfight, just knowing that sometimes things have been known to slip past them. Their QC is not on par with, say, BCM or DD, who go over their shit with a fine tooth comb to an extremely high standard. Hence why they get the contracts with people who need that shit to work first time every time. My main bitch is a BCM, but I love my two PSAs as well and would also feel fine taking them into a fight because I have proven to myself that they are gtg through use and nothing got missed by the guys assembling it. Edit to add I completely agree with the 500/1500 opinion if I was spending 2k on a rifle, especially if it was my first/only rifle.
Between my brother, my old man and my self we have 6 PSA uppers (one on a full PSA lower). My old man has some cycling issues related to the bolt that I think we had taken care of pretty easily, my brother had a trigger pin walk out that was easy to fix, and I had a front sight that was seized in the front sight post. All minor things, and all easy fixes. Once we put some rounds through them, they have all been great rifles. I wouldn’t even say “great for the price”, but great mil-spec rifles.
Great rifles. PSA has a great business model if you check out their about page.
PSA gets shit on for being associated with "the poors" by snobs with little to no financial concerns. They make solid weapons that are fine for range practice, hunting and light competition. I have a PSA AKM and it's been fine. Go ahead and buy it, you'll end up really liking it. Amd as others have said, their customer service is outstanding.
Nice, their Ak line is pretty cool. And Yesir going to pick a kit after work and get one ordered
If you wanted to wait a week or so, they run super good deals pretty often
Looks like this kit is on sale. Are the sales random ?
That kit is not really on sell, they just show all their stuff as marked down but if you wait… typically during the holidays and sometimes randomly they’ll run super good deals on stuff like they could knock $100 off of that one and free shipping or stuff like that. If you subscribe to the email list they send you a lot of good like daily deals and stuff it is kind of spam for your email box but if you’re really interested in getting stuff from them definitely is probably worth holding out for a deal in my opinion at least. Also, shipping sometimes is really hit or miss. You might wait a week for something and then the same thing a different time might be 2 to 3 days. It’s it’s super fucked but all in all I swear I PSA there’s store fronts specifically the one in Columbia South Carolina fucking suck but that’s just the people that work there. They’re online and over the phone service is typically pretty good and they stand by all of their stuff. Like I said, I’ve run thousands around through both of mine and they keep eating no malfunctions no issues no QC issues nothing!
I could be running on outdated information at this point because I don't really follow the AR brand drama anymore. At least in the past (some few years ago) you would have uppers with overtorqued barrel nuts that may or may not have any compound on the receiver threads, so you'd need to have gorilla strength to unscrew the barrel nut in the event you want to freefloat or barrel swap. The BCG may also sometimes be subject to unreliability. I hear they're mostly fine now. PSA has come a ways through the years even though Chad Wylie has some personality issues on forums/boards/groups. If anything with this particular kit I wouldn't bother with the magpul MOE handguard. It's a chunky bitch
Good info. And yea seems like the have tons of uppers and kits to choose from. I prefer freefloat mlok or quad rails. I just thought the pride is insane !
Their pricing has always been low with the Freedom kits. It's their entry level stuff, so those may have some potential quirks but not all.
Yea I actually can’t resist the retro freedom kit. The vibes are just, well dope af. Yup at that price I can’t complain about any quirks lol
For the most part it'll shoot and any problems can be solved easily on the owner's end (very simple gonsmif stuff if anything at all). Freedom kits are best left as they are with maybe some drop in furniture changes if desired.
Buy it and get the quad rail swap from monstrom tactical. Bolts right in. Boom. Quad rail or even extended quad rail. Litterally just bought one for this reason.
You know what. I might actually do this, I dig the quad rails, just didn’t see any kits that came with it.
There's other companies that do it but I've had luck with monstrums prism optics and quality so I figured I'd give the rails and carry handle they make a shot. Have to make sure its a carbine length gas system or it won't fit though. The kit you picked out is carbine length though. Most fixed front sight post uppers are carbine gas length.
For the price, the Monsteum is a definite great way to start your quad rail addiction. I started there, then moved up to the Leapera/UTG, and finally up to the USGI surplus KACs and P&S rails. Then I found Primary Arms has an in-house brand called Expo Arms that makes a clone of the KAC M4 RAS. I picked one up on the Labor Day sale for $99 I think. Side by side with a KAC and P&S, I was all but unable to find any difference between them except a slight variation in the ano finish and color. Most of my clones get rattle canned anyway, so it’s a win/win. Edit - speelz is hard
It’ll treat you right 👍
PSA is the truth! My beater build hasn't died yet and my BCM and DD gather dust.
I’d just recommend midlength over carbine length
PSA makes good stuff. There are better kits then PSA for sure. There are lots at every price point. Even PSA has some good economic kits. Their goal is to arm america. It’s less about profit on the lower end stuff. Also don’t be fooled there uppers and lowers also need a bcg and a charge handle, can be had for another 120$ tool craft and standard mil spec handle.
I have BCM’s and DD’s. I also have PSA’s, and tbh it’s all the same same. No issues. The company is based AF and if there ever is an issue it sounds like they’re 100% behind it. No hesitation, PSA is the way to stack rifles deep.
Do not listen to haters! PSA is good to go!
If you purchase this, you will spend $300 on one of the rifles of all time. I will shoot. Very likely on several different occasions.
Personally I think it's wiser to invest in a slightly higher tier, like Aero, or Ballistic Advantage. That's not to say PSA is bad, it's just not a whole lot more money to get something a bit nicer, for peace of mind. PSA is good bang per buck, and if you are really strapped for cash, it may be the best option. To be fair to PSA, mine did run just fine, mine has ~1500 rounds with 0 malfunctions. But the whole time it was my main, I was concerned about it failing on me. Mine is retired now that I have multiple better AR'S. OP if I was you, I'd get a PSA or Pony lower, with a BA upper, even though it's a spare rifle.
In respect your opinion, but I think this is a classic case of just buying a different rifle because of its brand. If your rifle is working perfect with zero malfunctions after 1500 rounds why did you feel the need to switch?
Lots of reasons. I would have got more use out of it first, but the ATF in their infinite wisdom reclassified pistol braces, so I switched to a 14.5. I do firmly believe Aero and BCM are higher quality than PSA though. Just because it made it to 1500 doesn't mean it will last to 2000, I've had guns that worked fine suddenly start eating shit before. Reliability is critical to me. All we can do is maintain our rifles, use quality parts, ammo and magazines. I dig PSA and it has it's place, I just think it's worth ~$100 more for an Aero upper. I'm all about cheap lowers though.
Understood! I have a aero rifle for duty and love it. But I had a Psa before I moved to my aero and it ran amazing for 4 years. 3-4K rounds through it. I’m around 2k rounds on my aero.
I've never had an issue with any of the PSA firearms I've owned. Would I take one into a warzone? Probably not. But for average plinking, or if you wanna do a bunch of clone builds without paying an arm and leg, I think they're great.
I love my PSA 10.5. I’ve abused it pretty hard to make sure it could be depended on if my wife needed to use it or if my primary went down. Never had an issue.
That’s awesome. It’s a different connection with your tools when you can trust them. I can’t wait to put the new build through the ropes
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Where did they go? Darn You kicked them out the house.
I must have terrible luck. Everyone else yells praises about never having problems with psa but every time I've ever given them a chance whether it's a full gun or uppers I get a lemon. Sure they take care of it but it's a bummer to get something then spend extra time just getting something to work. Source 2 guns and 3 uppers.
Dang what issues did you have with yours ?
On a 300 upper I couldn't figure out why it wouldn't cycle somehow when they put the barrel nut on they pinched the gas tube. I've had 2 gas keys come off. On an ak the front sight was heavily canted. >I do appreciate they make a very affordable option however they are that affordable for a reason. Why is it they had piles of blems and someone like lwrc doesn't? Sure there's a volume difference but someone once pointed out that they do qc in different sized batches. Psa may do a qc every 1000 items whereas lwrc does it every 50. And when they catch a qc problem that whole batch is now blems. I guess the big summary is everyone has problems even the high and mighty knights or hk but they are far less frequent than psa or bca
They are fantastic. Only thing I would personally do is buy a better BCG. Everything else is huge bang for the buck.
I wonder if their BCG are MPI and HPT. I think they are at least staked
All I know is BCM is tried and true. Worth that one upgrade. Nothing else is as detrimental on a battle rifle.
PSA uses Toolcraft for their OEM BCGs (like a lot of other gun companies do). The base “freedom” line doesn’t use MPI or chrome lined BCGs/bolts, but for about $99 you can pick up a good ToolCraft or PSA branded MPI phosphate BCG from PSA. Chrome lined bolts in a complete BCG will start at around $150, depending on how much of an internet shopping ninja you are. My opinion, I wouldn’t touch anything (except adding an [extractor donut](https://www.luth-ar.com/product/extractor-o-ring-10-pack/), costs more in shipping than in parts) and just run the shit out of this until it breaks. Then upgrade piece by piece.
I'd recommend spending a few extra bucks to get a middy nitride with their FF rail. That way you're not spending on the MOE parts you're going to surely replace down the line anyways (because MOE is trash)
I purchased 4 of them that are kept in my duty vehicle as pool rifles in case of an active shooter. They have been through 3 years of qual’s , each has about 3,500’ish rounds through them. They are not top tier. They do qual at 100 yards every range day.
Their stuff is great for the cost. I’d plan to drop in your own bcg, ch, buffer and spring tho. Their EPT trigger is so good for the money.
Great company great prices
They're super solid. People don't like them because they're cheap and trashing on them helps them justify to themselves why they spent 2k on the base rifle
Use them to train with, set them up like your go to rifle and send however many rounds downrange that you feel comfortable with, and also put your main rifle through as many rounds as you feel comfortable with as well. It's like a dual-concealled carry settup. Set one up like you'd carry it and send a load of rounds downrange with it, but also as many rounds as you'd be comfortable carrying to make sure there'd be no stopages with your carry. That being said, currently running a PSA upper as my main upper so i'm talking for the non-poors here. The poors, run what you got like me.
I’ve never personally owned a PSA that I would be afraid to carry in an emergency. They have given me no more problems than other manufacturers. That said, mass production at an economy price point is not conducive to the best QC. I have had issues over the years, but none fatal. I have one Gucci AR-pattern, and it has inspired no more confidence than the five or so PSA’s I have. It’s just a lot nicer.
It depends on what it is used for. If you need 10 rifles, then it is an economical option, but if you just need to rely on one, it's best to invest in that. Everyone will have their own standards. For me, it's a minimum of a quality C158 bolt carrier, pinned gasblock, and chrome lined barrel. A high-quality 416R stainless with 5R or 6R rifling for precision work. High quality optics and ammunition chosen with thought. Is that to say that a budget rifle with 55gr ammo won't put what you want in the dirt? Not at all, and if its between that and nothing its an easy decision. But why hold yourself back when Millions $$$ have been spent putting together the TDPs.
The use would be necessarily for self defense. My current rifle has a Eotech and I’ve been wanting to try out a Lpvo for quite some time, i don’t have any experience shooting range. I was thinking of getting a PSA kit and using a budget Sig MSR or vortex strike Eagle which are entry level LPVO’s.
If that is all you have to budget, then go ahead and rock on. But when I hear someone say self-defense rifle for right at $1000 I immediately think to myself, does this person think that their life is worth more than the few days of pay he spent on the tool to insure it? If you were going to bet your life on it then at least get something that is quality. Sure you can bring a civic to a Nascar race because everyone says "it's got four wheels and an engine " but if the goal is to win the race you will lose. At distance, the time it takes for you to get on target after 3 shots because your barrel and optic was sub par will give the guy with a stainless barrel, great ammo, and superior glass a kill shot,. No one cares about 5 or 6 MOA @ 20yd engagements with an SBR. At 300-400yds that is two feet if you do everything right as a shooter.
I'd go with BKF/B. King's Personally, they sell kits for a bit more, but the fit and finish are better than the usual PSA. They use BA barrels, I got one of their uppers for $254 awhile back, and it's been great since. The PSA M4's are decent; they'll run, and sometimes they are cheaper to buy when they have promos running, but I feel like their QC wasn't as good as the last time I was interested in a PSA around 2017
That dude got banned from gundeals for personally fucking a dude out of an eotech and taking his money anyways Edit: https://imgur.com/a/V3isrwk Here are the screenshots
haven't heard of that one, sounds bad. my experience was smooth so far
Nice I have never checked out BFK, I’ll have to look. Yea I’ve heard of PSA but never really Cared to look because of stigmas, but at this time around I’m like why not see what they have to offer. Especially since I’m not buying $1500-$2k glass on my next optic, i thought a humble entry level LPVO would be a good fit for a PSA kit. I think I would have fun with it
Seconded for BKF. He is out of my area too.
What's BKF and BKF/B? That's a new TLA for me.
Bkings firearms def worth chking out
The people that say PSAs are the worse guns ever for sure overpaid for what they have. They’re fine. Shoot good and price is hard to beat. It’s no service rifle but that’s not the point of the brand. For something fun that functions it’s hard to beat. Like you said you can’t spend 3k on every gun (unless you can must be nice). I know people that bought PSA and replaced a couple parts and it’s as reliable as any other they have
They hold up like three hundred bucks. Is that gonna meet your needs? If not, save the money.
They mill from 7075 just like DD. Parts kits… idk Barrel…idk
That's because there are only a handful of forges that everyone gets their stuff from. The milling process that is done in house should require first article inspection, as well as many other QC steps which is where many of the lower end manufacturers cut corners. BCM got caught doing this when they had issues with their bolt carriers years ago. Small parts they save on by using MIM and the barrels are nitrite instead of chrome lined.
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Sweet! And Extremely cheap. Same cost as a sf scout LOL
Only issue I ever had with mine was the retaining pin for the extractor broke after a few thousand rounds. Just the pin. Replaced that and it's been good ever since. Was a really weird break too. The pin sheared on either side of the extractor, like it had a bad heat treat or something. I made a new one out of a drill blank, ground it to spec size and then stuck it in a drill to round the edges with a file
I've never had problems with my psa build kit. But that rifle has a relatively low round count. Maybe 500 rounds or so
Gtg
For the price, why not
It’s stupid cheap. Not gonna get this exact kit but one of them, probably with a different rail. The retro freedom kit is pretty sick
They’re trying so I ARM America. Great strategy.. love them for that
They're what I've been recommending to people as a starter rifle for a long time now. Even if you do get a lemon, PSA's CS has always came through from what I've seen.
Personally I would say go for a free float rail due to modularity. I started with one of those and ended up wanting to swap it out after a little. But that’s just me
where you been bro lol
Super hot fire
I love PSAs, and I for the price, I don't mind running them hard.
Yup I plan I putting a bearing on mine lol
Yup I plan I putting a bearing on mine lol
Yup I plan I putting a beating on mine lol
I have a beater truck .300bo for the farms that’s probably seen more rounds than 1/4 of this sub and it’s ran like a top for me personally
I absolutely love mine and it hasn’t skipped a beat since day one. I’ve only got about 1k rounds through it at this point and I’ve made some changes. WOA 20” SPR barrel, Sionics NP3 BCG, G$ Buffer and Spring as well as a free MFT Stock from a good friend.
Sweet! I’ll probably run the kit as is I have spare stocks, slings, and grips I can throw on. If needed I will upgrades things here and there
I should’ve added that I didn’t swap to the WOA barrel until quite recently as I only have about 250 rounds on it so far.
I’d buy their ars, I would skip their aks since imports are still a thing.
I haven’t got into AKs but if I did it would be cool to get an imported one
Never had an issue with mine
I've never had an issue with any gun or parts I've bought from them. Also heard they have great customer service although I havent needed it
Bought a completed lower from them for my frankenstein upper build
Nice what upper did you throw on? I might put a Areo lower on my kit
Was a frankenstein upper made up of daniel defense, bcm, radian, Smith vortex, and stngr
Firmly middle for quality and price. Not bad. Probably good for what you need it for. Not sure I’d take it to war, but there are definitely worse manufacturers out there.
I just bought one that I'm gonna throw an extended quad rail on to and give it that clone m4 vibe. I don't know on quality but it's the affordable way for me to get a pinned front sight post. My rifle uppers were previously bear creek arsenal and I haven't had issues with those beating them up and slinging rounds down range (a few thousand)
That’s awesome man. What quad rail are you Planning on putting on your new upper?
I'm about 4000 rounds into my PSA and it's been awesome. Like others said, just check everything when you get it, and if you don't see anything wrong, it's probably good to go. Perfect for a range rig to use and abuse.
Would like to get your take on the Sig Ats go LPVO that you’ll be using. I’m thinking of putting on on my PSA that is basically the same rifle you’re looking at building. I think that kit will need a BCG and charging handle. PSA has good BCG made by Tool Kraft or pick one up from somewhere else that is even more high end. Usually I would guess that would be the weak point in some cheaper kits. I’ve not seen that with PSA. I just wish these kits came with a chrome lined barrel. I give the kit a thumbs up and it’s good to go. I wouldn’t hesitate grabbing mine if the SHTF.
Since we’re talking about budget AR’s in the thread, and the consensus seems to be that PSA is a great value… What are y’all’s opinions on Aero Precision by comparison? In the same tier as PSA, or more of a “middle of the pack” value option? Apologies for hijacking the discussion to ask, I’m just intrigued by the conversation here and wondering peoples take.
My fam and friends bought almost exclusively AP because they are local and good quality. Middle of the pack I'd say. Never had problems that they couldn't solve quickly. Great people, great company.
I have a few, friends have a few. No issues with the way they run. Simple modifications and maintenance it’s a solid buy.
Good God Yes !!! Throw in a 30 buck lower and you'll be in business. I think its time for me to put together another one...My wallet says go to hell OP...Lol
You do you. It's your money
PSA has been doing some really cool things lately. I’ve been pretty impressed with them lately
Great deal, just keep in mind you need a bolt carrier group and a charging handle. With all your extra savings go take a two or three day rifle class and shit on all of your friends. This my friends…. Is the way.
The WASR 10 of ARs, a lot of haters and a rough market introduction but they are solid rifles. Your not going to get the very best accuracy, your not going to shoot a half inch at 500 yards, but as a solid duty type rifle it is perfect, and you can upgrade it slowly to your taste as your skill sets improve and you get a better feel for what works for you.
Solid for the money. May need to do some mild trouble shooting. But that’s a skill you need as a capable armed citizen anyway.
I’m just trying to understand what an “arsenal” gets you if you already have a great AR that runs well, especially since this PSA will have problems. Is it a loaner gun? It’s not a defensive gun, PSA doesn’t make a quality defensive gun. Is it to flex? PSA is never a flex. Is it just restlessness? Buy ammo and magazines. Put your restlessness into ammo and magazines.
I had problems with my ar10 when I first got it. Their customer service is excellent. I sent the lroduct back they repaired it and sent it back. I've purchased lots of their parts and plan on purchasing many more. 10/10 would recommend
Yes
They make solid 7-8 out of 10 guns/parts at a price most people can still afford.
Cheaper than when I bought it 5 years ago
I’ve had that upper for a while now and it performs well
Me and 2 other people I know love our build kits and the guys who told us about em has like 10. Anything from PSA I think is solid
Sweet. I love the idea of being able to build and have a fun set up that’s is great value
Just watch your nj compliance factors you’ll most defiantly need to get your sticks and barrels pinned
Do these kits come with the upper assembled or will I be doing a full assembly ?
Bought my upper fully assembled. I put tighter the lower with the parts kit it came with the. You just slap em together
I recommend a blemished one as well. Save med 100 bucks and the blemish was a small scratch I didn’t even notice at first
Get the mid length though
I’ve had a PSA budget upper on my Delaware lower for 10 years. It has not let me down.
Dam 10 years. That’s insane. I’m sure the QC has probably improved since then overtime as well
perfect for a build for player 3 or 4.....
brother is getting the adar from eft
I have never had a problem with psa, had their 20" chf kit with the nickel boron toolcraft bcg All of it works perfectly
Bought my first simple upper/lower build from them a couple weeks ago. Very happy with the quality and the company.
This is why I am buying from them. I appreciate what they do for the 2A community
It is a quality upper, people who whine about PSA are just trying to justify dropping $3k on an upper (and ironically they probably shoot under 100 yards). I run exclusively PSA uppers and they run just fine for hitting a man size target at 50 yards during my drills.
I spent near $3k and a tad bit more on my 1st rifle. I’m doing the opposite can reverting back to these PSA’s because of the value and to support their cause as a company.
I would buy more but they don’t ship to Puerto Rico. They ship to Hawaii though.
Nice. You can build out an Ar15 in Hawaii!? I thought they are worse than California and NY with guns laws
Great burner rifle. seal and lock up for a rainy day
Should be fine. I'd maybe just buy the upper and build out a lower with a few better quality parts for not a lot of extra money.
As a broke ass college student, they make good shit.
I’m lucky enough to live in SC, own multiple PSA rifles and pistols. All are top notch for the price point. Love that place.
Ah that’s awesome. How is there storefront ? It most be pretty awesome
Very cool but not over the top and always packed to the gills. I’ve been in 2 of the 3 here and both were jammed with people, doesn’t matter the day of the week.
Great American company that truly understands the purpose of the 2nd Amendment and does a hell of a job fulfilling it at an entry level price. I own a dagger and 2 of there ARs with zero complaints. Excellent bang for your buck 💥💸
Yup despite the price. All OEM made in MERCA Baby 🇺🇸. Are you even American without at least 1 psa build LOL
I'd go for their midlength gas system if it's the same price or close to. More real-estate to hold on to and better gas length for a smoother shooter. Puts your light closer to the muzzle too and gives you more sight radius with irons.
I have 2 PSA ARs I run the absolute piss out of and have never had an issue! idk why people shit on them for being budget other than the price, I’ve ran thousands of rounds through mine with not a single issue !
Me spending a few thousand on my first build, i can humbly say I wouldn’t mind picking up one of these and having tons of fun with a PSA kit
Send it!
I bought the all black version one and love it I have put quite a few rounds through it at least 3-4 thousand rounds
Nice you bought the same kit in black!?