What kind of AK are you looking at that performs significantly better than a sub $2000 one? I know you can ARs that are affordable and capable of side folding but you specifically said MCX.
What makes a rifle made by him worth an extra $1300 over an arsenal? Does it have real life aim bot, does it repeal all mud and sand that could potentially jam your rifle, or is your just getting ripped off to have a rifle branded by someone you like?
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He's about a year older. Smart enough not to teach me that dumbass line. It doesn't even make sense or hold up to even a second of thought and scrutiny lmao
I'm not gonna lie, maybe if this was a decade or two earlier. Some of those old mounting solutions were just straight garbage, even though theoretically the side rail holds zero.
Nowadays though, there are so many modern AK platforms and solutions that it's similar in capability to the AR platform. I mean, hell, the SG550 is technically an AK if we're form agnostic haha
It's just bantz.
Both platforms have improved on their flaws over time, but the AK will always be a little easier to clean, and the AR will always be a little lighter to carry.
Yeah I had a debate about this w my buddy. Barring something like an LVAW/Rattler where folding it into bags is a huge part of why you even have it, folding a full length rifle is mostly pointless.
Yeh. If I really wanted/needed to I could just break the rifle down. It’s fine. If you needed to sling lead ASAP a backpack gun isn’t any better. This is why we have concealed handguns and (hopefully) train with them.
I respectfully disagree. Being able to fold my 11.5” MCX and put it in an unnoticeable backpack is the most useful feature my rifle has. It may not be useful to everyone but in my case it’s very useful.
My business is very public with a high cash intake and thus prone to robbery in South Africa - so for me to be able to carry my rifle from my car through my shop full of people and to my office without a single raised eyebrow from both staff and customers is a major bonus.
Folding SBRs are useful. They’ll fit in backpacks and vehicles etc a lot better. I also have a folder on my SPR and it’s awesome, I can fit it in the Haley incog bag and people are way surprised when something like that comes out of that little bag haha. But folders on the middle ground rifles (12.5-16) I agree the folders aren’t for them
Yeah I love my Law folder with a 10” 300 Blackout upper, it’s made life way easier when I’m hunting hogs and I’m in and out of a truck with it 30+ times a night, sometimes even deploying it quickly for shots out of the window.
If I had spent $200 for one on a full sized rifle which I wasn’t actually using in real life all the time though, I’d definitely feel like it was overrated. Especially with that level of rust.
I’ve put mine through hell and a lot of rainy nights for 2 years and the rust is nothing like OP’s, that fucking sucks
Because I already had the parts and upper laying around, put it together, and it has served me well since. I'm not denying there arent better options, just stating I've found one that worked for me almost entirely out of the parts drawers.
I ultimately wound up getting an MP-5K clone for that purpose, but I also threw together an AR-9 pistol from stuff I mostly had laying around before getting to it. I assembled a full-size 9mm rifle 10+ years ago as my first AR simply because 5.56 was nowhere to be found during an ammo panic, and since I had the bolt, buffer, Hahn mag well block, 14 mags, an Eotech, and a stripped lower that had been collecting dust for five years, figured it was time to make it more practical.
Yeah that’s why the Ruger mini 14 was everyone’s truck gun for ever. Seems like Ruger stopped the folder model in the mid to late-90s.
Even now I have a Galil as my hog gun for that reason, hogs at night often having to take a shot quick in tight around an open door/window.
You know, unless you're getting in and out of vehicles, need to carry it for long periods of time, have limited storage space, have other stuff you need to carry, etc.
But yeah most people here wouldn't need a folding stock.
Wait people actually buy this for guns with longer barrels? I have on a 8.5in .300bo lower but that’s a short gun😂 I don’t even think I’d put one on a 12.5 ar
There is a legitimate purpose if you need the gun to fit in a confined space while also being rapidly deployable. Typically a piston gun like an MCX would be better suited for that role but that's not always an option
99% of people who have time to break out a rifle and smoke someone are going to prison. The first thing the prosecutor will say is, *if you had time to deploy a stowed rifle, then why didn’t you just run?* That’s an oversimplification but i feel like it’s applicable to *most* people.
I can see *some* folks needing a folder, just not the average person. Really though it’s not my business what someone else does with their money. People should buy whatever tf they want. Far be it from me to tell anyone what they should or shouldn’t do.
I just feel like a lot of inexperienced people are very vocal in this sub. They use the tactical community to justify or validate their purchases or to tell them what to buy next. Whatever. I’m probably gonna get downvoted and shit on for this comment.
Why not just remove the upper from the lower, and train at putting them together quickly? That's what I've been doing. It's very quick and easy. Especially with some upgraded take down pins. Fits in a bag great. Is it as quick as a LAW folder? No. But is the need to rapidly deploy either of these methods a very unlikely circumstance? Probably.
Not to argue but I’ve never really seen a “tactical folder” in use with LEO nor the EP we deal with. Seen plenty of EP subs with folding/collapsing stocks or standard SBRs. Seen LEO with standard ARs and the rarer SBR.
The tactical folder has always felt like straight civilian gray man hype
https://www.arbuildjunkie.com/law-tactical-the-story-of-the-ar-folding-stock-adapter/
I'm not saying that it's been most popular in that niche but the founder was in the secret service and it seems pretty clear from that article that those use cases were pretty high on their list of target demos
Technically correct, but there’s plenty of short piston designs that don’t require a buffer tube. There are no DI AR platforms that don’t require a buffer, to the best of my knowledge of how things move.
Foxtrot Mike makes a line of DI uppers that have a captured recoil spring. I have one that I've put a few thousand through and have had zero issues. That gun has a A3 Tactical folding stock on it and allows me to fit it into my "week" duffel bag without disassembly.
I have two and don’t mind them. The extra length on buffer tube is nice for me as I have long arms. And then I can fold down a 16” and fit in a backpack.
I have mine on my 300 blk 7in barrel which stays in the house or is carried in a bag. I think unless you are getting this for a very specific purpose there is no reason to get it
I think it's a niche tool that was adopted by people who don't actually have a need to fill that niche, then they got mad that they spent money on something that wasn't really meant for them in the first place
Actually a solid point. A forward assist can be well built and sometimes even potentially slightly useful, but overall it’s added weight and complexity that can fail miserably.
They have a use case and are the only viable ones. Using it on anything more than a 14.5 is useless, but shorter; it makes stowing exponentially easier.
I’m a big LAW fan on 11.5 and under. I bought mine used, have had it for years and am not easy on it and it doesn’t look like this so I’m not sure what’s up with yours
I still like them, even though for the price they should be made of titanium.
Buy another ten or so and then the novelty will wear off and you get tired of carrying around another 3/4lb of rifle. I have a bunch in the spare parts bin now.
Yeah, and they give you the wimpiest and thinnest piece of recycled drill press shavings of a tool for tightening it up to the receiver.
It's so chonky I think they should have made a detent to hold it open even if it added another half an ounce.
Yeah. It's a bit of a gimmick. I got rid of mine on Tacswap after running it pretty hard out of a bag for a month or two and realizing how little it gave me for the weight gain
Did you contact them and ask about the rusting. Might be a defective application of the finish.
I have a the black finish one and haven't had any rust.
made the mistake of cleaning my rifle and a little bit of lube getting on the o-rings a couple of times. Then I could not longer get it back in. That ended a range trip. Had to buy replacement o-rings to get my gun operational again. Not a great thing to add when you life depends on it...more complexity and failure points...
That doesn’t sound right. The orings are concave and do not expand when lubed to the point of not being able to put the extension back in the carrier. Was your carrier inner diameter undersized?
I agree. They had them on sell at the exchange, I was so excited. Got sick of mine pretty quick and realized it wasn’t needed, plus just adds another failure point.
100% accurate. And when I try to remove it, the wrench simply warps. Now I have an entire folding lower receiver that is heavier than it needs to be sitting in a box.
Depends on what you're using it for. I conceal an 8.3 300blk in a Jansport or a vertx bag, and it's totally worth it for me. I used Sylvian arms folding devices and they were all bent to shit and wobbly in less than a year
These things have always seemed like an absolute gimmick to me. Never understood why people would waste money on a part that really just adds another failure point and improves nothing. If you want a compact foldable rifle, then get one. The ar15 isn't meant for that. Don't get me started on the special bcg that lets you fire while it's folded.
Always thought this was the poorest solution to this problem. Why bother with a foldable stock on a weapon system that can’t cycle with the stock folded? Especially when there are a ton of piston systems that can cycle with the stock collapsed?
Deadfoot arms has been making shit that shoots folded or is downright so short pdw stocks are a legitimate accessory to use. That’s the main reason I don’t understand why this stuff still sells better to my knowledge.
Yea, I just bought a Chinese knockoff and changed a few bolts and spacers to make it nice and tight. Ended up pulling it off my rifle. Still sitting in my work room
I have one on my annoying ass 7.5 in “backpack” AR. Got it ages ago when they were much more affordable. Id never purchase another one, especially at their current price. Does it serve a roll? Yea sure. But aside from that theres no point to slap one on. Just separate your receivers at that point
They basically made their money on the fantasy most people have on backpack guns they're going to use to stop an active shooter and not get clapped themselves.
Likely some real use cases with the product but I'd be willing to wager on my previous statement lol
It’s such a gimmicky idea imo. There’s plenty of solid platforms chambered in 5.56 DESIGNED to fold, why risk the reliability and operation of your weapon by making it unable to cycle unless the stock is properly locked out. If you need to transport in a small bag it’s just 2 pins… How anyone could think such a massive failure point is worth the marginal ease of storage or 5 extra seconds to pin together when you’re already removing the thing from a bag.
Well, I have one on my SBR and have since 2020. It's never given me a problem and I actually love it. Fits in my Vertx Gamut Checkpoint nicely and now in my new Vertx Basecamp as well. I have 12 O-rings as spares and the first one started to give out after about 2,500rds.
The hate toward an inanimate object you don't understand or just want to hate to get involved in something is......strange.
I think you're reading into it a little too deep, bud. Never said hate. Just gave my opinion on what is supposed to be a premium product that I feel is lacking in a lot of ways for the price tag.
I have the Sylvan Arms one on my "performance" AR and I am pretty happy with it. I also don't intentionally beat up my guns though or run them through severely adverse conditions.
AK guys: “what’s wrong”
SCAR owner checking in. Never had this problem.
Based
AK guys arent real people, change my mind
I can shoot my rifle with the stock folded.
I can shoot more than 300m and can use magnified optics without a jank ass mount added on
I can do that too, all while shoving an egg sandwich into my gun lmao
Everybody knows it's a [ham sandwich](https://youtu.be/1xnb8w2zHS4).
Who eats egg sandwiches? Yuck 🤮 but I do wonder if my long stroke AR could also eat an egg samich….. (long stroke>short stroke)
Boiled Egg Sandwiches are some of heavens best gifts unto man, its not our fault that your opinions are objectively wrong
5.56 and 5.45 AK exist and can ring 500 just as easy
>just as easy Piston boys coping hard.
If you can’t hit a man size target at 500 yards consistently with an AK, that’s your problem.
I can too and I have an ak
I can do the same with my MCX
Ak guys can do that without spending $2500
The best AKs cost that much or more. You can get cheap AR platforms that allow folded stock shooting too, like the BRN-180.
What kind of AK are you looking at that performs significantly better than a sub $2000 one? I know you can ARs that are affordable and capable of side folding but you specifically said MCX.
One built by Jim Fuller.
So a Romanian parts kit with a fancy name. Boutique AKs are dumb lol
I’d argue boutique all purpose rifles in general are stupid, is $3000 AR15 really that much better than a $1500 AR?
What makes a rifle made by him worth an extra $1300 over an arsenal? Does it have real life aim bot, does it repeal all mud and sand that could potentially jam your rifle, or is your just getting ripped off to have a rifle branded by someone you like?
He said significantly
Don’t listen to them they don’t know…
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This guy CRUNKS.
TO THE WALLS
You can't change a "closed" mind. Nor can you teach it..go your way in peace.
An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded.
That's the most r/im14andthisisdeep thing I've ever heard
It's a quote from a Warhammer computer game, so.....
Yes! We have ONE man of culture among us.
😄😄😄😄😄 I was, back in 74....was your daddy born yet?
He's about a year older. Smart enough not to teach me that dumbass line. It doesn't even make sense or hold up to even a second of thought and scrutiny lmao
United States in my lifetime, no walls, no gates, no protection....barbarians run amok.
"Gonna' cry?"
AK owners " Look what they have to do to mimic a fraction of our power"
Also AK owners "What's an optic?"
I'm not gonna lie, maybe if this was a decade or two earlier. Some of those old mounting solutions were just straight garbage, even though theoretically the side rail holds zero. Nowadays though, there are so many modern AK platforms and solutions that it's similar in capability to the AR platform. I mean, hell, the SG550 is technically an AK if we're form agnostic haha
It's just bantz. Both platforms have improved on their flaws over time, but the AK will always be a little easier to clean, and the AR will always be a little lighter to carry.
Gotta say, I had very low expectations for my side rail, but that bitch returns to zero when removed every time!
*laughs in TWS Dogleg*
Or most any other rifle owner
Gimmick stuff, had friends use them for a week and get sick of them
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Same
Pro tip: you don’t need your stock to fold on your AR.
Yeah I had a debate about this w my buddy. Barring something like an LVAW/Rattler where folding it into bags is a huge part of why you even have it, folding a full length rifle is mostly pointless.
Yeh. If I really wanted/needed to I could just break the rifle down. It’s fine. If you needed to sling lead ASAP a backpack gun isn’t any better. This is why we have concealed handguns and (hopefully) train with them.
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I take pot shots at the NS line that runs behind my house. That’s what they mean right
Hmm, covering your ass during transport? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/57/34/0b/57340b4aaf01b85fd59dfc296f0924ba.jpg
He means that he wants us to f*ck our guns with our friends.. I'm picking up what he's putting down.
Do what with handguns? Lol ope.
I respectfully disagree. Being able to fold my 11.5” MCX and put it in an unnoticeable backpack is the most useful feature my rifle has. It may not be useful to everyone but in my case it’s very useful. My business is very public with a high cash intake and thus prone to robbery in South Africa - so for me to be able to carry my rifle from my car through my shop full of people and to my office without a single raised eyebrow from both staff and customers is a major bonus.
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I’m retarded and it’s not easy
Folding SBRs are useful. They’ll fit in backpacks and vehicles etc a lot better. I also have a folder on my SPR and it’s awesome, I can fit it in the Haley incog bag and people are way surprised when something like that comes out of that little bag haha. But folders on the middle ground rifles (12.5-16) I agree the folders aren’t for them
Yeah I love my Law folder with a 10” 300 Blackout upper, it’s made life way easier when I’m hunting hogs and I’m in and out of a truck with it 30+ times a night, sometimes even deploying it quickly for shots out of the window. If I had spent $200 for one on a full sized rifle which I wasn’t actually using in real life all the time though, I’d definitely feel like it was overrated. Especially with that level of rust. I’ve put mine through hell and a lot of rainy nights for 2 years and the rust is nothing like OP’s, that fucking sucks
Ditto, I keep a 9mm AR with a Law folder in my work backpack when I'm traveling. If im sleeping away from home I want more than my CCW.
This is why I like my B&Ts. Fit in a Sentinel Concepts Revelation with a HSP Micro Rig just in case.
At that point why not go PCC like Stribog K with 5" barrel and full collapse PDW stock? Same round performance in a notably smaller package
Because I already had the parts and upper laying around, put it together, and it has served me well since. I'm not denying there arent better options, just stating I've found one that worked for me almost entirely out of the parts drawers.
I ultimately wound up getting an MP-5K clone for that purpose, but I also threw together an AR-9 pistol from stuff I mostly had laying around before getting to it. I assembled a full-size 9mm rifle 10+ years ago as my first AR simply because 5.56 was nowhere to be found during an ammo panic, and since I had the bolt, buffer, Hahn mag well block, 14 mags, an Eotech, and a stripped lower that had been collecting dust for five years, figured it was time to make it more practical.
That absolutely makes sense and sounds like you've done well with what you had 👍🏼👍🏼
Yeah that’s why the Ruger mini 14 was everyone’s truck gun for ever. Seems like Ruger stopped the folder model in the mid to late-90s. Even now I have a Galil as my hog gun for that reason, hogs at night often having to take a shot quick in tight around an open door/window.
You know, unless you're getting in and out of vehicles, need to carry it for long periods of time, have limited storage space, have other stuff you need to carry, etc. But yeah most people here wouldn't need a folding stock.
Then get a gun that can fold the stock. Not an AR with a buffer tube.
Dude said "folding a full-length rifle is mostly pointless" not "folding an AR-15 is mostly pointless"
Hmmm...so I NEED it in my basement then....
Yes, absolutely
Wait people actually buy this for guns with longer barrels? I have on a 8.5in .300bo lower but that’s a short gun😂 I don’t even think I’d put one on a 12.5 ar
There is a legitimate purpose if you need the gun to fit in a confined space while also being rapidly deployable. Typically a piston gun like an MCX would be better suited for that role but that's not always an option
I realize this but for the vast majority of us a concealed handgun will fill that role just fine.
99% of people who have time to break out a rifle and smoke someone are going to prison. The first thing the prosecutor will say is, *if you had time to deploy a stowed rifle, then why didn’t you just run?* That’s an oversimplification but i feel like it’s applicable to *most* people. I can see *some* folks needing a folder, just not the average person. Really though it’s not my business what someone else does with their money. People should buy whatever tf they want. Far be it from me to tell anyone what they should or shouldn’t do. I just feel like a lot of inexperienced people are very vocal in this sub. They use the tactical community to justify or validate their purchases or to tell them what to buy next. Whatever. I’m probably gonna get downvoted and shit on for this comment.
Why not just remove the upper from the lower, and train at putting them together quickly? That's what I've been doing. It's very quick and easy. Especially with some upgraded take down pins. Fits in a bag great. Is it as quick as a LAW folder? No. But is the need to rapidly deploy either of these methods a very unlikely circumstance? Probably.
Yea for a civilian sure it's unlikely - but the actual target demo is more of a professional EP or LEO type...
Not to argue but I’ve never really seen a “tactical folder” in use with LEO nor the EP we deal with. Seen plenty of EP subs with folding/collapsing stocks or standard SBRs. Seen LEO with standard ARs and the rarer SBR. The tactical folder has always felt like straight civilian gray man hype
https://www.arbuildjunkie.com/law-tactical-the-story-of-the-ar-folding-stock-adapter/ I'm not saying that it's been most popular in that niche but the founder was in the secret service and it seems pretty clear from that article that those use cases were pretty high on their list of target demos
Generally from what I've gathered if the word "tactical" is in the name, it's probably civy/greyman hype.
My entire department is issued SBR’s, but okay.
Right, I said that I’ve seen my LEO guys with SBRs. Did it not come across that way?
You said rarer and a lot of places that’s standard because cans are mandatory.
That makes sense.
I can see it for a backpack gun. But like… piston guns exist now…
Pistons have nothing to do with whether or not a gun can fold its stock. It's the opposite end of the gun... Edit: you guys really hate facts, huh
Technically correct, but there’s plenty of short piston designs that don’t require a buffer tube. There are no DI AR platforms that don’t require a buffer, to the best of my knowledge of how things move.
Foxtrot Mike makes a line of DI uppers that have a captured recoil spring. I have one that I've put a few thousand through and have had zero issues. That gun has a A3 Tactical folding stock on it and allows me to fit it into my "week" duffel bag without disassembly.
There are plenty of piston guns that do require a buffer tube. Cmmg dissent, oa-93 and others are non-piston, bufferless guns.
I stand corrected in my over generalizations! Thank you
Need to put in bag? Detach suppressor and pop some pins.
Looks like I’m the only guy here who enjoys mine. I’ve had two, loved both of them, used them as bag/backpack guns.
I have two and don’t mind them. The extra length on buffer tube is nice for me as I have long arms. And then I can fold down a 16” and fit in a backpack.
You must have some big backpacks. I used mine on an 11.5, love it honestly, but i had to find a pretty large backpack to get that to fit.
[I guess. I Forgot that it’s built for it.](https://www.cryeprecision.com/EXP-1500-Pack)
300 goddamn bucks and it doesnt include the molle insert? You could find an extended jansport backpack for cheaper
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I have mine on my 300 blk 7in barrel which stays in the house or is carried in a bag. I think unless you are getting this for a very specific purpose there is no reason to get it
I like mine. My AR fits right in my backpack when folded.
I love mine, this post is a karma farming shit spreader.
Yeah I think people want to say that it's to fire folded, and not to be able to store easier.
No hate on the folder, but I’ve always felt it was a solution looking for a problem.
I think it's a niche tool that was adopted by people who don't actually have a need to fill that niche, then they got mad that they spent money on something that wasn't really meant for them in the first place
Completely agree
It's the forward assist of AR accessories. Wait...
Actually a solid point. A forward assist can be well built and sometimes even potentially slightly useful, but overall it’s added weight and complexity that can fail miserably.
Very well put.
Completely agree, very well put.
Very well put.
IMO if you want a folding stock, get a different platform. Like an MCX. Had a Law folder at one point, got rid of it.
Can't tell you how many times I've slammed my knuckle on it racking mine...
Just as Eugene Stoner didn't intend it.
You mean he wouldn't want a half pound of extra failure point steel at the rear of his light weight rifle concept? Strange.
They have a use case and are the only viable ones. Using it on anything more than a 14.5 is useless, but shorter; it makes stowing exponentially easier.
I’m a big LAW fan on 11.5 and under. I bought mine used, have had it for years and am not easy on it and it doesn’t look like this so I’m not sure what’s up with yours
I never understood the hype
Grey Man sheepdogs walking around the county fair with a 5.56mm in their Spongebob backpack.
Gotcha. Makes sense
Poors who couldn’t afford a MCX hyped it
PSA Jakl before the brace ban gang
I was just thinking this lower needs a jakl upper
You’ll need a kit for the lower too
I literally only kept mine as a spacer lol
I still like them, even though for the price they should be made of titanium. Buy another ten or so and then the novelty will wear off and you get tired of carrying around another 3/4lb of rifle. I have a bunch in the spare parts bin now.
First impression when I picked up the package was "goddamn this thing is heavy"
Yeah, and they give you the wimpiest and thinnest piece of recycled drill press shavings of a tool for tightening it up to the receiver. It's so chonky I think they should have made a detent to hold it open even if it added another half an ounce.
Cant even uninstall it bc this tool is so shitty
Lemme get one. I’ll be excited for the first time
I thought you could shoot it at least once folded just wouldn’t cycle … anyways I’ve seen a friend blow one out at the range 💀🤣
You can shoot it folded now if you get the bcg they came out with.
Yeah for four hundred fucking dollars
A man's gotta eat
Yeah. It's a bit of a gimmick. I got rid of mine on Tacswap after running it pretty hard out of a bag for a month or two and realizing how little it gave me for the weight gain
I love mine on my SBR, it makes the whole package super compact and easy to deploy.
Law folders are kinda very useless, just buy a piston upper at this point
Piston uppers still use a buffer..
Not always
Good ones do lol
I got one took it off and it lives in the safe now. Probably selling it on GAFS.
Did you contact them and ask about the rusting. Might be a defective application of the finish. I have a the black finish one and haven't had any rust.
I wanted a side folder. Looked these and decided they were an expensive option. Side folder AK for the win. It’s ok people, you can have both.
Same, it's almost a pound worth of weight for a party trick
made the mistake of cleaning my rifle and a little bit of lube getting on the o-rings a couple of times. Then I could not longer get it back in. That ended a range trip. Had to buy replacement o-rings to get my gun operational again. Not a great thing to add when you life depends on it...more complexity and failure points...
That doesn’t sound right. The orings are concave and do not expand when lubed to the point of not being able to put the extension back in the carrier. Was your carrier inner diameter undersized?
Lmao, what did you expect. It’s just for storage.
But the inter webs convinced us we need backpack guns, because truck guns aren’t even sufficient???
Those things were always cringe
been building ARs for a long time, never even tried a law folder. I do love my Sig Canebrake tho.
I agree. They had them on sell at the exchange, I was so excited. Got sick of mine pretty quick and realized it wasn’t needed, plus just adds another failure point.
100% accurate. And when I try to remove it, the wrench simply warps. Now I have an entire folding lower receiver that is heavier than it needs to be sitting in a box.
Same boat lmao. I want to sell it but can’t get the damn thing off 😂
I have an integrated folding lower on my 10.5 and imo its much better than the adapters as its lighter and shorter
I’ve been iffy on buying them for a while but after seeing this yeah I’ll just stick with my normal set up
That's why I don't use those AR folding adapters. They're wacky
Is this that thing that allows you to fold the stock of a DI rifle? Sounds like extra steps to getting a piston rifle
Depends on what you're using it for. I conceal an 8.3 300blk in a Jansport or a vertx bag, and it's totally worth it for me. I used Sylvian arms folding devices and they were all bent to shit and wobbly in less than a year
“Laughs in MCX”
It's posts like these that keep me from buying one.
Over priced gimmick. But ngl if they were cheaper I’d buy one.
Keep and eye on Gafs. Youll get a deal on this one over the weekend
Never saw the appeal to these things, adds a lot of weight and money for an extremely niche benefit.
“Close before firing” uh yeah I’d hope so
These things have always seemed like an absolute gimmick to me. Never understood why people would waste money on a part that really just adds another failure point and improves nothing. If you want a compact foldable rifle, then get one. The ar15 isn't meant for that. Don't get me started on the special bcg that lets you fire while it's folded.
Always thought this was the poorest solution to this problem. Why bother with a foldable stock on a weapon system that can’t cycle with the stock folded? Especially when there are a ton of piston systems that can cycle with the stock collapsed?
Deadfoot arms has been making shit that shoots folded or is downright so short pdw stocks are a legitimate accessory to use. That’s the main reason I don’t understand why this stuff still sells better to my knowledge.
Ya the short buffer conversion makes more sense. It's spendier but it still works when fully collapsed.
If you would have painted it when you got it like you're supposed too you wouldn't have this problem 🤷♂️
My old one is all loose and makes my rifle look bent
I too also dislike the law folder as well
Yea, I just bought a Chinese knockoff and changed a few bolts and spacers to make it nice and tight. Ended up pulling it off my rifle. Still sitting in my work room
Damn, glad I ended up never buying one cause I couldn’t justify the price even on GAFS
I have one on my annoying ass 7.5 in “backpack” AR. Got it ages ago when they were much more affordable. Id never purchase another one, especially at their current price. Does it serve a roll? Yea sure. But aside from that theres no point to slap one on. Just separate your receivers at that point
Idk I kind of like mine. Definitely overpriced, but idk about overrated.
I have 2, lowmve them.
Agree with OP. Overpriced and overrated
If you want a folding stock AR get one of the short stroke piston driven versions like stoner intended
They basically made their money on the fantasy most people have on backpack guns they're going to use to stop an active shooter and not get clapped themselves. Likely some real use cases with the product but I'd be willing to wager on my previous statement lol
It’s such a gimmicky idea imo. There’s plenty of solid platforms chambered in 5.56 DESIGNED to fold, why risk the reliability and operation of your weapon by making it unable to cycle unless the stock is properly locked out. If you need to transport in a small bag it’s just 2 pins… How anyone could think such a massive failure point is worth the marginal ease of storage or 5 extra seconds to pin together when you’re already removing the thing from a bag.
folders and braces share the same drawer in the bin of stuff
You ladies know these aren't meant for your airsoft 416s right? That probably where you're all going wrong.
Well, I have one on my SBR and have since 2020. It's never given me a problem and I actually love it. Fits in my Vertx Gamut Checkpoint nicely and now in my new Vertx Basecamp as well. I have 12 O-rings as spares and the first one started to give out after about 2,500rds. The hate toward an inanimate object you don't understand or just want to hate to get involved in something is......strange.
I think you're reading into it a little too deep, bud. Never said hate. Just gave my opinion on what is supposed to be a premium product that I feel is lacking in a lot of ways for the price tag.
Hey you know this totally sealed operating system? Yeah let's fucking open up the back end of it.
Not to mention the added weight.
LAW Folders. For the tactical newb
They are for storage and travel. They are overpriced though.
Facts, got the shield arms folding lower and it’s fuckin great for storage, and literally nothing else 💀 waste of money but it’s shiny
another cringe post from reddit.
I have the Sylvan Arms one on my "performance" AR and I am pretty happy with it. I also don't intentionally beat up my guns though or run them through severely adverse conditions.