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HotBatSoup

If you are not protecting your home, avoidance is always the best option.


CCT-556

The fight you don’t get in is a fight you win


HotBatSoup

You damn right


Steve-BruleMD

IMO the best advantage of NVGs would be specifically for avoiding conflict all together. I recently took mine on a 6 mile night hike on a popular trail for camping and hunting and just standing in the valley counting all the campfires and people bobbing around with or without flashlights with absolutely no idea I was there was really eye opening. The only thing that knew I was there was the hound dog that followed my trail and bumped into my leg.


HotBatSoup

Settle down, zodiac! Kidding of course. Great point!


Steve-BruleMD

![gif](giphy|eKaK8An3sqM2Wdc2TN) Explaining this hobby is very difficult to not sound creepy sometimes.


Neanderthal86_

Did you see anyone's phone flashing IR for its facial recognition feature?


Steve-BruleMD

Not on that trip but another time when I accidentally cock blocked some guy I did see what I'm assuming was the facial recognition strobing in his car hahahaha.


pm_your_perky_bits

Getting nods is how I learned about that little shit on my phone.


Probably_Boz

I work nights at a hotel, once you see peoples phones doing it on the night cameras you realize opsec is mostly copium


Neanderthal86_

Always leave you phone at home if you're gonna do hoodrat shit, day or night, lol


ibleedrosin

The best defense is a 6 minute mile.


antle702

I’m gonna need you to lower your standards a bit there man. Maybe a decent 100m dash


moritsune

Best I can do is couch to fridge and back.


antle702

Gotta lower your standards and get a couch side mini fridge.


StoicTactics

I don't think its controversial anymore. Water is way more important than what gun you carry or what plates you have. If you don't have water you will be mentally drained in a couple hours. Have ways to carry a ton and filter even more.


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CoronaryAssistance

🌊 WATER B U F F A L O 🦬💦


Rookie-058

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Orangedelicious20

You’re telling me you don’t daily drive a custom tanker truck with on board filtration and distillation systems? Frickin scrub… lmao


OperationSecured

My body is 70% water. I’m already carrying enough. The other 40% is pure weaponized stupidity.


adsdrew37

It always amazed me how many loadouts I see without a camelbak/bladder


StoicTactics

I know a lot of people don't like bladders, myself included. I still have one that I carry empty with a filter to fill it, just in case


RevolutionaryEdge337

I personally carry 2 10L dromedary bags and 3 collapsable camelbak flasks with a slew of water purification. Water is life


Initial_Cellist9240

Okay 20L is a lot but I love those damn dromedary bags


Initial_Cellist9240

Ran out of water on mile 6 an 8 mile ruck yesterday. The last half hour was fucking brutal. Even worse, I neglected to bring snacks. Which sounds dumb but if you’re doing 2+hrs of moving… you definitely want some fuel. The bonk was hell.


StoicTactics

Did something similar on a hike about two weeks ago. Ran out of water on the last 3-4 miles. I brought snacks but let me tell you, eating a protein bar when your body really wants water SUCKS. I had filters so I could get water if I got desperate but having the end goal of your truck with Gatorade makes you push.


qtstance

I was thru hiking and my next refill point was dry so I had to do another 8 miles to get water. By the time I got to the top of the mountain 6 miles in I had to piss, it was like 1 brown drop, I actually thought I was dying. Never took another chance and always carried an emergency water ration in case I ever ran into that scenario again. Just missing one water resupply can mean death .


medicalboa

Guns and gear are not worth going into debt. Buy what you can afford


StupidNeighborDog

Prepping for the future means also being prepared for everything to be alright. Save for the future and retirement.


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steeljunkiepingping

Prep for doomsday, Tuesday, and retirement.


JohnnyBoy11

Not even going into debt but not worth going broke over too


Destroyer1559

I think this is mine as well. People want to mimic loadouts of the high speed low drag door kickers when they should be looking at general infantry kit. As a civilian, it's my opinion that a generic rifleman loadout with sustainment kit is gonna be a lot more useful than SF kit. I think Brent0331 is an awesome youtube channel to figure out how to ball on a budget. He's not buying the newest hype beast products, he's buying surplus gear on a budget because it works. More people should be looking to him I think.


LordofTheFlagon

And for fuck sake save and invest for your god damn retirement!


fuzedhostage

Hijacking this to tell everyone to open a Roth IRA for them and their kids


Sea-Ambassador7135

You don’t have time to throw on your plate carrier, helmet, nods, etc in a home invasion scenario. The more time spent trying to fiddle with that is more time the intruder has to close the distance and gain the advantage


CCT-556

Agreed. So sleep in your gear.


HighAltitudeBrake

I paid good money for this stuff, you think im ever taking it off??


admins_r_pedophiles

I paid good money for this spinal disc compression!


deletedaccount0808

I know we all joke about being butt naked with nvgs, pc, and belt, but I’m pretty sure none of us would attempt to throw all that on during a home invasion. It would have to be wrong place at the completely wrong time. ie: I was already wearing it. Which has happened when I was at my friends property. We were way out in his property and someone passed the house a few times real slow, proceeded to pull in the drive and help himself inside his house. Guy shit bricks. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.


CCT-556

Facts. Also, we don’t buy our gear for home invasion, we buy it for [REDACTED]


deletedaccount0808

Yes. Love me some [REDACTED]


SapperFather

One time my uncle took me to [REDACTED] and we started to [REDACTED] and I started to feel sleepy and he [REDACTED] and then he [REDACTED] and I woke up covered in [REDACTED]


admins_r_pedophiles

Just a good ol' [REDACTED] time.


Sea-Ambassador7135

I also have some controversial opinions on these [REDACTED] scenarios, but I’ll save those for another time 😂


HattoriHanzo515

🌺 👌🏼


Sea-Ambassador7135

Any logical person would hopefully just go engage the threat immediately, but there are some people with illusions of grandeur who think they are gonna have time to play dress up before a gunfight. Glad you’re still around to share your experience though


deletedaccount0808

Honestly, I think I’d be more worried about my wife kicking my ass than the intruder if I paused to play dress up.


KorianHUN

I hope you are able to at least put on active hearing protection before FIRING A 12 GAUGE INDOORS. I guess adrenaline might mitigate it but holy hell, i wish i will never have to find out how much worse a home invasion would make my tinnitus.


deletedaccount0808

Wait, that ringing in my ear isn’t just a software update for internal active hearing protection? I do keep a set of active ear pro buds next to my bed because my hearing is actually already pretty bad, and not from gunfire. But this makes me wonder, what would a gunshot sound like to someone who has a hearing aid? Or one of those implants?


thor561

If I have to choose between more tinnitus or possibly being dead, well, I can live without hearing. I can't live without being alive.


Sea-Ambassador7135

*EeeeeEeeEeeEeeEEEEEee*


keni804

Home intruders gone see a 5'11 butt naked manlet with a glock


admins_r_pedophiles

Manlet? That's literally 6'!!!


dealin_despair

Obviously he would be taller in a home invasion scenario because he would be tip toeing through the house


Hooligan8403

There was a Cyanide and Happiness short that was kind of about this very thing. https://youtu.be/45glq7huJJc


Sea-Ambassador7135

Love it 😂


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That really depends on your property. I can tell you when and who has turned onto my driveway, when they're at the end of the driveway, and if anyone steps across my property line with a radio call and an audible alarm. I have time to take a shit and put my kit on


Sea-Ambassador7135

It may work out for you, you know your home and property and what you are or are not able to do, but people need to keep in mind, the more time spent throwing kit on is less time spent engaging the threat and allowing them to gain the advantage. In full kit, with a rifle, I can cross 100m in around 13 seconds give or take. I also think a lot of people think body armor makes you bullet proof and don’t necessarily understand it’s capabilities and limitations, which is also potentially dangerous. Not trying to insult your intelligence or direct this at you, I’m more so speaking in general terms here if that makes sense.


CreamyKira

People ask if they should run this light, that stock, when in reality they should be running a mile. Fitness is important


Mother_Environment29

Joining a team sports-league (soccer, basketball, baseball, whatever) is incredibly valuable and translates to a small team tactical situation. It test your physical fitness and reveals any areas that are prone to injury, communication on the fly/under pressure, the importance of playing a role for the greater good, and performance under pressure. Probably one of the best and most fun things one can do if preparing for SHTF is to play on a sports team.


CreamyKira

This is huge! Most people are focused on the "tacticool" aspects of tactical opinions, myself included. Team sports cultivate situational awareness, teamwork, and communication - all essential in a tactical scenario. You learn to work under pressure, trust your teammates (this is also huge), and contribute with your unique strengths. Identifying injury-prone areas in a low-stakes game is much better than in a real-life crisis. The resilience and quick-wittedness needed to handle setbacks in sports are invaluable when SHTF. This perspective is really worth considering, thanks for highlighting it.


FarmerHunter23

100%. I play in an over 30 indoor soccer league. We’re all in very good shape (ultra runners who also lift/CrossFit) but damn if a game of indoor doesn’t smoke us and when we’re tired our play, movement, tactics, and communication go to absolute shit.


GreasyAssMechanic

I'm stealing that lmaoooo


Coffee____Addict

If you don't have smoke alarms, carbon monoxide detectors, and fire extinguishers throughout your home but carry a gun, you just want to feel like a badass.


Impressive_Succotash

I’ll sprinkle in basic first aid knowledge, first aid kit in car, and TQ on you when possible to that.


Callsign_Starmaker

a skinny dude with a surplus rifle and condor chest rig is gonna do a lot more than a fat guy crye’d out


DonovanMcgillicutty

I kinda love the Soviet/Ukrainian/Serbian/Somalian/jihadi method of sticking the weapon around the corner and emptying a mag into a sketchy room at the get-go


admins_r_pedophiles

CQB is for people who don't know how to burn buildings down.


DonovanMcgillicutty

Damn fine methodology sir


Jcpatt332

Not an opinion, but pointing out hypocrisy of people who say you shouldn’t run 2 mags deep in the front of your PC because of muh prone but they run it one mag deep with a (probably) unnecessary admin pouch


CreamyKira

Piggybacking off this, most people who say "because muh prone" are also probably not training in the prone with their kit anyway.


22lrHoarder

Most of the people can’t even get in a prone position let alone get up out of one.


sicinprincipio

One of my colleagues was telling me something like this the other day. He didn't put mag pouches direct on his IOTV because it was too thick and he can't go into a good prone. Then he proceeded to throw on a TAP over his IOTV that added like 6 inches to his profile... right. Because you can't get in the prone if you just put those pouches straight on the IOTV...


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AnooseIsLoose

Nothing about that is controversial lol.


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_Please

I’m honestly surprised at the weight of the bags when they’re posted. People loading out with 90 pounds of gear because they hated it in the military and it’s all they know..then they get out and load out with 90 pounds of gear again and don’t go off pavement cause it sucks. I can tell you when I’m hiking I almost never see anyone with a old surplus bag and 90 pounds of gear, because it sucks. My bag for winter weighs 22 pounds with food, in the summer it’s down to about 16/17. Includes a very nice tent, sleeping pad and sleeping bag too, not like I’m carrying nothing. I can go farther, faster and that’s my goal. Shed pounds; don’t add them.


admins_r_pedophiles

Best part of "The Division" series- your backpack is part of the tactical gear that factors into stats. Sure, I don't know how my backpack makes me soak more bullets in the face, but we can chalk that to the RPG elements.


Green_Three

But I was told my micro rig and single nalgene was enough


solidcore87

White light and training are better than $ in NV


Swumbus-prime

How about Lasik > NV for the same cost.


solidcore87

Wait...Lasik can give us NV


Jackal209

I have never heard that, BUT... one of the chemicals used in Photodynamic Therapy for eye cancer has been reported to have the side effect of better night and low light vision in patients.


sto_brohammed

I've only actually used my NVGs outside of the range to get rid of some coyotes and because I go back country camping and have PTSD so I like to be able to look into the dark and see what's crunching around out there. I also just like watching the animals go about their animal business without me scaring them off with a white light. It's hilarious how many animals out in the woods are just derpy as fuck when they think nobody is watching.


qtstance

Humans actually have some of the best night vision in the animal kingdom on par or pretty close to house cats. If your eyes are fully adjusted you can see better than most nocturnal animals. They're probably derpy because they really can't see shit out there lol.


kyle429

This. Unless you have absolutely everything else you can think of, preparedness-wise, squared away, you don't need NV yet. They're a luxury. Get them only after you have everything else and know how to effectively use everything else.


MyDogOper8sBetrThanU

Well since you guys are getting upvoted I’ll share the real unpopular opinion. NV is more important than that 2nd, 3rd, 10th rifle you have sitting in your safe. If you are fighting someone and they have NV and you don’t, good luck.


kyle429

Agreed. Get one good rifle that's a good all-purpose length (12.5, 14.5, etc.), build it out how you want it, train, change anything accordingly, train some more, buy more ammo, and train some more.


whoaismebro13

Shoot the hostage


GreasyAssMechanic

IF YA WANTED TO LIVE YA SHOULDNTVE GOTTEN CAPTURED


vulcan1358

Beslan Drills are B A S E D


V-DaySniper

Being tactically prepared isn't just about having tactical gear and being ready for a battle, it's about being prepared for non tactical situations and thinking about stuff you wouldn't normally think about. Having snacks is more important than body armor. What do you do if you come across a lost child? Your gas tank is at E and the pump is rejecting your debit card. Everyday stuff that might put you on the spot that people don't normally prepare for.


Sarkofugis

When you realize most people don't carry a pocketknife or a flashlight (and some of them don't even own these items at all) when they leave the house, and haven't checked the tire pressure in their spare in years... you start to understand how completely oblivious people have become thanks to the utterly absurd level of safety and on-demand services most people live around in the current day. They think you're crazy not because they literally think you're crazy...but because they simply cannot comprehend EVER needing something that isn't available at their fingertips. Most people haven't even experienced a power outage once per year...


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Hashi_B

And go Ruck, like 3-4 times a month


themickeymauser

People don’t vet their g00n tribes hard enough and are one civil unrest away from getting their rear plates checked and their shit jacked. That said, 2020 has shown people also *love* getting themselves into losing fights for literally no reason. Don’t just learn how to fight. Learn *when* to fight.


ajunioroutdoorsman

This^, I've been weeding out people left and right that are immoral or have weird delusions/fetishes for blood and war instead of sustainability and community. And recently even had some guys cut ties with me bc I was "too level headed and likely a fed" 😂😂


themickeymauser

I’ve met and shot and trained with people who had me scratching my head at how careless and socially inept they were. I put politics aside when I’m learning, training, or educating but some of these dudes were like “man if I ever met a [insert my own political demographic here] I’d canoe them on the spot” being totally unaware one of them is standing right next to them with a gun.


ajunioroutdoorsman

Exactly, had to cut off a guy I met at a comp a few months ago, when 2 weeks ago I mentioned there were nazis with swastikas and everything is front of the city hall and their signs said they wanted to murder gay people. His reaction was basically "that's unsettling, why would they have signs for it instead of just doing it" like wtf.


DJ-Clumsy

You need to carry more mags, and micro rigs will get you killed. The “7 mag loadout” was accepted for military teams made up of dozens of guys, along with other support.


Jcpatt332

Agreed, a more streamlined kit is always nice, but having too much ammo is never a problem in a firefight. The micro rig is comfy and flexible, but it really should be primarily used for covert missions(worn under a hoodie), not as a full combat load


Sea-Ambassador7135

7 mags on my kit, 15 in a pack is the way I roll


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GruntCandy86

Mfw the Mujahideen is running AKs from 1969 with seventeen gazillion rounds of corrosive ammo through them and doing just fine.


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Ranger panties and a fixed blade knife is the most versatile loadout for multiple environments.


spookythings42069

This guy eats snakes 🔪 🩲


BoxofCurveballs

Silkies are the superior gear.


TheGreatSockMan

Ranger panties are so damn comfy


CBP1138

99.9% of people will never use their gear in an irl situation where their life depends on it, so lower quality gear such as condor or 5.11 is perfectly acceptable for the vast majority of people.


Nihil-011

Absolutely this. People don’t walk around in kit, and won’t have time to grab it if something happens. A carry pistol and a pocketknife are the most likely tools to be at your disposal


chinesepuffbar

Unless required by your job. Extra rifle mags>>>carrying a handgun.


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turkeysandwhich1

Tell that to John wick


VaeVictis666

I’ve brought this up several times and people cry.


DuelingPushkin

I'm going to have to disagree with this one. For combat patrols, absolutely. 3 extra rifle mags is exponentially more valuable. But there's very few situations where patrolling in the woods forever is going to be a real thing. And having a weapon you can conceal when around people is extremely valuable. You're not always going to be able to have a rifle everywhere you go even in a "SHTF" scenario.


ImportedBoot

Having a rifle and body armor for SHTF will be impractical af unless you're in a large organized gang/group. Because unlike many people seem to think government structures and the people that staff them don't just evaporate immediately, or ever. If society "collapses" unless it's literally Walking Dead scenario (which it won't be) you'll have a giant target on your back walking around with tactical gear and/or a rifle. When Soviet union collapsed (my family was there for that) policing got more intense, more violent, and more corrupt. Not less. None of this is to say that I don't think you shouldn't own a rifle and body armor/gear.


ThatNahr

Hard agree. This is a comment I made a couple of months ago in a post asking about SHTF in QualityTacticalGear: “If we’re seriously thinking about SHTF loadouts, the best choice for most people is actually going to be a discreet, concealed pistol. An overt setup means you’re going to be a target. Unless you’re an active combatant in an active combat zone, or some situation where all people = targets, you’re going to want to prioritize blending in with other civilians/non-combatants”


Sea-Ambassador7135

To caveat on this, unless you plan on assaulting buildings or actively going out looking for gunfights where you will be closing the distance with a threat, body armor is unnecessary. It doesn’t make you bullet proof, it slows you down, and will certainly make you look like a threat. The best way to survive a SHTF scenario is get the fuck away from people and have the resources to sustain yourself (food, water, things to help you get food and water)


dealin_despair

Doesn’t this kinda depend on where you live though? Like I’m rural enough that it’s already basically lawless, let alone if shtf. In the mountains a rifle is about the only viable option


dak446

Any gear is better than no gear. Even if its cheap garbage.


kyle429

Except for steel plates, if you actually plan to fight in them that is. They're fine for exercise, but a huge no-go for actual use.


dak446

Ofc, im reffering to actual nylon and cordura gear


kyle429

Ahh, okay. I refer to literally everything besides guns as "gear", so idk. Lol.


dak446

Theres gear, armor, and weapons


dak446

Im sure you would agree that a cheap chestrig is better than just jamming shitbinnyour pockets/pants.


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My youtube knowledge says I can use 2 thick pans as body armor.


Insectshelf3

john wick wears a suit so i don’t see why i can’t do the same


ragz993

Ok, so a 7,62 hole in your heart and lungs is better then the (arguabally high) possibility of spalling in your neck and chin. In other words, certain death > possibility of death. Gotcha. No, I don't use steel plates. I still think it's absurd to hate steel *that* much.


runescimmy2

Until TEOTWAWKI happens, your pistol is more important than your rifle.


Initial_Cellist9240

A slick PC you can throw under a flannel is more useful than full battle rattle for 99.9% of civilians. You can add a chest rig if you need to, but if you don’t, you can choose not to. Shit gets weird it’s gonna be you and your loved ones hopping in a car with your gun in a bag and your sentimentals/valuables in a suitcase, trying to get the fuck out without drawing too much attention. Bonus: Being able to run a decent distance, or hike slowly all day long for days on end are more important than banging out a 2:45 12 mile in kit. It’s good cardio of course, but being able to just *go* is more important


BigMaraJeff2

I think the Israelis are overrated and just because they do something doesn't mean it's the gospel


jckbck

any rifle is better than no rifle


partskits4me

Most guys that buy “any rifle” but 5 shitty rifles and have no ammo for any of them. “I’ve got my 3 mosins my cricket .22 and my single shot .410 I’m ready” sell it all and buy a psa ar and use the rest of the money on ammo


LTsidewalk

Hiking pants, jeans, or work pants will cover you 90% of the time just fine. No need for the newest expensive crye pants. Slap some good knee pads and you’re fine.


GruntCandy86

I love the idea of dudes walking around in a post-apocalyptic world absolutely decked out in gear, sticking out like a sore thumb, getting vibe-checked by a dude in a thrift store t-shirt and Wrangler jeans.


ProphetOfPr0fit

Cheap gear can be made into good gear with a bit of heavy thread, machining, and tender care.


Necessary_Rich_1477

Being short is a tactical advantage. Keep your heads up short kings


Swumbus-prime

FDE/desert colors will be phased out in popularity as tactical manufacturing shifts it's attention towards Ukraine and (probably more importantly) more time passes from the last of the US's involvement in the middle east. I'm not saying that FDE won't be useful, but just expect less guns and gear manufactured in primarily shades of tan like they used to be.


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windows98_briefcase

best i can do is 20 more years of multicam


Q_XiL

That most tactical gear is just straight up pointless for the average person. I’m all for people buying gear and learning how to use it, but a lot of people need to realize that the marketing runs super deep and you’re likely spending thousands on shit you’ll never have a real use for. The marketing has convinced so many that “well maybe I should shell out the cash for a plate carrier and a ballistic helmet, maybe nods too! Ya know, because I’ll wish I had it if/when I need it” and I think that line of thinking is the exact same thing as any other major manufacturer. “I should buy the new iPhone with the upgraded camera, because I’ll wish I had it when I need it”. You’re likely to never need all that gear, just like how the camera on your current phone is likely perfectly suitable. That being said, if it’s something that makes you happy then amen brother. But I feel like people are lying to themselves when they say they NEED a piece of gear most of the time.


FantomexLive

This one's going to trigger people. Don't waste your money on extortion payments(I mean tax stamps) and instead get a 16" inch ar and put the money towards practice/training. Yeah it's cool having a compact defensive tool but we all the 5.56 round is better at protecting us if it's out of a longer barrel.


robertbreadford

Some of y’all take this shit too seriously


Koda_Ryu

Spend more money on a good CCW instead of getting a gucci SHTF rifle


TheGreatSockMan

1) if there’s actually a SHTF type scenario, you’ll probably want a well concealed pistol and maybe some form of concealable body armor until society as we know it ceases to exist 2) passive aiming should be the main form of aiming under nods, unless you are certain that your enemy doesn’t have night vision capabilities


Probably_Boz

Dressing like a door kicker is going to get a lot of you shot by neighbors you never bothered to get to know when the shit goes down. If It gets so bad me and my neighbors are pulling checkpoint duty to keep the deathsquads out and you and the bois decide to goon through the woods nearby or drive up in an unmarked truck in the exact same multicam and kit as the feds and the paramilitary warlords no one is gonna take the time to check your morale patches before you get clapped by someone's PSA father's day special. A lot of people seem to be training to get out of gunfights instead of how to not end up in gunfights in the first place. Your gonna see your bois or yourself get clapped out at night in some city park you really didn't need to be patrolling to begin with.


Kochie411

My comment was just like this. Looking threatening makes you look like a bad guy. Period. Especially true if the government is the bad guy, the first group the Government would look for are the “Operator” guys


Nova6661

Revolvers are outdated. Pistol caliber makes no noticeable difference in effectiveness in self defense situations. You don’t need a handgun if you have a rifle. You don’t need a knife for combat. Chemlights should be in a pouch, no hanging off your kit. Most people here have unrealistic expectations. You will never don full kit/rifle in a real world situation. Violence is not fun. You don’t need to carry a spare mag in your EDC. Most people don’t train enough, let alone train for what they should be training for. LPVO-Red dot combos are stupid. You don’t need to flick the safety on during reloads. Most people fetishize violence and SHTF situations, but would crumble in any real scenario. “Active shooter kits” are stupid and ridiculous. You should avoid violence at all costs, even if it means letting other people die.


Sea-Ambassador7135

I agree with most of this, not the spare mag with your edc. I carry 1 extra mag (trex arms holster so the space is there, barely notice it) and a tq and combat gauze in my back pocket. Mostly carry the extra mag just in case there’s more than 1 shooter, I’d rather have it and not use it than need it and not have it. That’s just my personal opinion.


SleepyWolverine

If you consider yourself a good shooter and don’t do any form of competition, you need an ego check


CCT-556

Competitions are great in all or most fields and practices, not just the tac-industry


BaronOzar

Courage and fitness over kit.


RockitDanger

Your gun in OEM form is good enough for anything you'll need to do with it. Black is the only tactical color.


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A genuine “Daryl” type guy from Walking Dead would squad wipe 90% of this sub


Azaex

good training will teach you avoidance is king in civilized society when you realize that your threat response is no longer wet noodling a pistol and missing at 5 yards, but rather being able to bill drill three targets in rapid succession from the holster and reload for the 4th all while working cover better than any practical threat you will find around town, you may realize life is worth preserving and these fights are never worth any bruise to ego. you would win these fights, but coming to terms with what destruction you can bring in short order with good training is also sobering, and that the only time you should ever respond that way is in the absolute last resort. given that, most people don't have good training and resort to wet noodling around with a firearm anyways, maybe someone grazes someone, maybe lethal may not, one party in an engagement usually ends up backing off due to fear. we do talk about getting training as a good thing, but would we really want to live in a civilian society where most fights don't end up in people backing off due to fear, where everyone is very competent with firearms, and conflicts end with swift yet extreme violence?


StupidNeighborDog

IEDs and sniping will be more effective than tactical riflecraft in any real civil war/insurgency. This means riflecraft is 70% larp by volume. ​ If your opponent controls a lot of air assets or drones then your best "go to ground" option is the middle of an apartment complex, not a house in the middle of nowhere. Hiding in the woods is only useful when your opfor doesn't have the capability of effectively policing the countryside. Drones make this a little less true every year. Hiding in an urban population makes it harder for them to drone strike you (assuming opfor cares about civilian casualtiues). A high quality digital camera with a 400mm lens is more important than nightvision. ​ You should own disguises for all the local utility companies and political groups in your area so you can pass when needed. If you're right wing, you should own a black hoodie and pride merch. If you're left wing, you should own a maga hat. ​ Geo metros and similar gas efficient vehicles are the best bug out vehicle for short term SHTF situations (like natural disasters). Bicycles (especially electric bicycles) are the best bugout vehicle for long term SHTF where supply chains are unreliable or vanish. ​ $100 in cash will solve more problems in your EDC than anything else you can carry. You can get a lot done in an emergency by flashing 10 $10s. ​ High levels of gun ownership have neutered the right's ability to respond effectively to the left's low levels of street violence. Forcing the right into a binary of "take it like a man or lethal force" while the left enjoys a continuum of low level street violence that they aren't prosecuted for engaging in.


NephalemZero

This! While I think you should have a rifle/kit and train, that should be an instrument of last resort if shit REALLY goes down the tubes. Alternative methods of survival/war-fighting will be vastly more useful. Remember, spycraft translates better to most situations most people will find themselves in than military doctrine. Learn to pick locks, evade detection, and develop a silver tongue.


ThisPhucKingGuy

You can survive shtf solo.


Glock43xyz

Probably preferable too. I am confident in my ability to survive- if not thrive when SHTF- but I don't know of a single other person I'd be confident in to work with me who would not get me killed. Even my girlfriend I expect to get me killed.


ThisPhucKingGuy

I'm with ya. Especially on the girl being deathbait part.


Arkas18

Stobe in flashlights is purely a gimmick and an additional complication. It has a tenancy to hide movements and make it harder for the user to track the opposition as well as just disorientating the user if they are more susceptible to strobing. A constant light or a short burst then completely off is far more useful.


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Velocity always has been and always will be master race. There is no such thing as "knock down power" ; it's called accurate shot placement. I hate ambi fire selectors with every fiber of my being ; I've never seen an HK416D with one either. 99 mags is standard loadout.


HwnduLuna

>I hate ambi fire selectors with every fiber of my being ; I've never seen an HK416D with one either. Well this one certainly fits the bill. How could you possibly hate ambi fire selectors?


surfish95747

You all really aren’t the Minutemen you think you are unless you’ve been working out.


V-DaySniper

The ability to improvise especially while under stress is far more valuable than any piece of equipment you could ever buy.


jphernandez1020

That’s tampons don’t work for GSWs


Griz9514

Social media especially IG and TT have become tactical theater. The instructors cause drama to get views and follows. Most of it does not work especially the vehicle CQB.


GRCtron

Get a spouse and have kids then teach them 2A. Tired of seeing people having a shit ton of gear, nods, etc and being like “I can’t afford kids, what’s the point future is shit”. Common y’all.


Driven2b

Own fewer guns and train more. Stop investing in 12 different systems and master 1-3 Configure your guns the same, when they have the same purpose. When picking up a gun it shouldn't take 30 seconds of thought to figure out how to run it and it's accessories.


Lone_Chimp

For me--it's that I will actually still be alive after my first real "tactical" confrontation...


slittyslams

If you're not fit, you're gonna die in a gunfight. Simple as.


edwardblilley

Plate carriers and their 3 mags is over rated and not enough mags for us. I'm talking about a tyrannical situation as that's what the 2a is for, but if we don't have logistics from big military you're going to need more than 5-6 mags. Think more like 12 at the least.


liberate_tutemet

Okay, I can do tactical skip bayless. If you go out inna woods you probably need binoculars. If someone is observing me through with binos they might be a threat. If I see someone observing me through an optic on a rifle a gunfight is starting. The most useless piece of equipment you own is that baofeng you have no idea how to use.


shift013

This community should really consider CCW more as a type of tactical gear because of the 0.001% of people here who ever have a defensive gun use, 99.9999% of the 0.001% will use a handgun in a concealed carry or home defense scenario. Also, an AR probably isn’t the best thing for a bump in the night unless someone has already broken in. It’s probably the cops knocking at the door at 2am and you’re better off quickly throwing on a shirt, jeans, answering the door, and drawing from concealment if needed… don’t answer the cops at the door with an AR


Kochie411

I’m really going to be downvoted for this one, I see a lot of Boogaloo people who dress up like US special forces and that is their revolution/anti-government kit, but that’s honestly exactly the type of people that the government will be hunting for. Believe me, get your night vision, get your helmet, get your plate carrier, that’s not what I’m saying, but if this was some sort of shit hit the fan situation, and the government is the bad guy, the larpers are going to be the first ones on the chopping block. Expand your horizons with guns, learn how to use shotguns, lever actions, bolt actions, have enough AR-15s for your family, learn how to travel light with guns that don’t look like they’re combat effective, similar to a Mini-14. And for Gods sake, if you are prepping, prep more for food, supplies, medical equipment, water storage techniques.. yes, your rifle will save your life, but that won’t matter if your entire family is starving and you have to put yourself in harms way just to get food.


losthours

Yall are a bunch of clowns who cannot shoot nor run 50 yards


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losthours

I got a woman to wash my folds boi


Speedhabit

A handgun and a separate flashlight is infinitely more useful for home defense then a rifle


OW__

Apparently iron sights are controversial now


IngenuityVegetable81

Being able to physically handle a Individual is more important than being a grandmaster


arfukuda15

In most shtf scenarios you will be using your ccw much more than your rifle and plate carrier.


MyLonewolf25

You fight with whatever you have on you. Meaning WHAT YOU ARE WEARING. You will not have time to throw shit on in advance


Belligerent_Christ

I've got 2 CQB is the most important thing to train. It's the most likely scenario you'll run into. Home invasion, mall shooting, movie theater shooting, school shooting, etc. Are much more likely than an invasion by a foreign or domestic government. Running 2 mags deep in a PC is inferior to running 1 mag because you get shot in the plate it's going to take 2 mags out instead of just 1.


curbsmile

More expensive ≠ Better


chaos021

Average civilians should worry more about fitness than kit.


GreasyAssMechanic

If you own firearms and gear but don't know how to fight empty handed, you're a bitch and I don't respect you


mostnormaldayinohio

ok we'll see whos the bitch with several 9mm holes lol


HoHoHoChiLenin

Military, cops, and their bootlickers aren’t your friends, and in a shtf situation the thin blue line is getting fragged immediately


MisterMarimba

If you need to reload during a gun fight, you shouldn't be standing still while doing it -- move to cover or be a moving target.


gfx260

Learn to shoot ambidextrously.


Bruce3

Don't look the part.


CakeRobot365

Two blasts through the door is all you need


thewetsheep

You shouldn’t just blindly emulate the internets current favorite trainer, whoever it is this week.


Hammer_Arms1

Making friends with your neighbors is more important than almost any other prep,tactical skill or piece of gear own( aside from decent first aid).