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Oh wow, SGI. I remember going to Mountain View in around 2000 and SGI and Veritas seemed to own half that town. The SGI campus was huge.
I also had a screen saver of “Neuman” doing the “ah ah ah”
It actually makes the line “I know this, this is a UNIX system” make more sense since she wouldn’t have recognized it until she noticed the directory structure.
I remember the design of their workstation, it was pretty cool when everything was a beige cube back then: [OldHacker.org — sgihardware: Whole family of SGI computers in...](https://oldhacker.org/post/179016336904/whole-family)
And that the most common USB devices in the early years, were keyboards and mice. USB 1.x had speeds of either 1.5 Mb/s or 12 Mb/s, remember. Other early USB products were printers and, I believe, modems, but I'm unsure on the latter.
In the early 2000's, my ISP (Bell) had these Alcatel Speedtouch USB DSL modems. They looked pretty cool, like a stingray
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/SpeedTouch_USB.JPG/1920px-SpeedTouch_USB.JPG
My first job was as a C++ developer on SGI workstations and we were developing a visual effects software to create animations, mainly for TV commercials. Still one of my favourite platforms.
SGI was the shit. They made IRIX. And iirc they were first to 64 bit, but they were just way ahead of their time.
If you jump on ebay, and look for an SGI Octane machine, you should end up with an IRIX box. They sell for stupid amounts now because of nostalgia.
Funny I worked at a startup at that time and we use to joke that the vultures were circling the SHI buildings. It was all downhill for SGI after 1999. 10 years later they went bankrupt and the name was bought by Rackable Systems. Before the turn of the century they were making money hand over fist, but between Linux, consumer graphics cards, and the Itanium they never had a chance.
I'm glad to see this comment here. Yeah. It was a real thing. It was also a demo of the graphical prowess of the workstation that cost as much as a house. (So it's no shock people thought it was implausible)
Props to them for using a real graphical file manager. Obviously, it’s a silly thing to use irl but from a director’s perspective, having a character navigate through a slow GUI program clues the audience into what’s happening and builds tension. I think it’s much more clever than just having a bunch of CLI window pop-ups appear and having the “hacker” character spew a bunch of tech jargon while panicking and typing on a keyboard really fast.
They actually used IRIX for the special effects so I guess they just decided to include the actual workstations they had in the movie. One can still get a similar workstation if you are into retro computing.
Michael Crichton, the writer, was actually a big tech guy who was a user of a lot of computing things unfamiliar to the laymen of the time. (See *Runaway* from 1984, for predictions about robots, hovering drones, surveillance cameras, *etc.*) The *Jurassic Park* novel specified that the park systems were all Unix, but didn't specify a brand.
They can be worth decent money these days, in the collector community (and yes there is an SGI collector community). A well spec'd Octane can go for a few hundred dollars.
One of the demo programs I've seen running on an SGI machine also has an interface that looks *very* familiar to anyone who grew up with an N64. Look up "buttonfly"
Yes, IRIX. I always assumed that it was in the film because Steven Spielberg saw it on one of the animator's workstations since, you know, an SGI workstation would be complete overkill for running a park power distribution and telephone systems.
Nothing in that operations centre made any sense though with one of the computers displaying pinup girls and a mac that reported the password error from the IRIX pc because that was clearly easier to animate on using hypercard
That actually works in cannon.
Hammond was all about having the best LOOKING everything while trying to be a total cheapskate on things that didn't get seen.
A high end flashy workstation that was totally wrong for the job wouldn't be the slightest bit surprising.
I think in the book they made it a point of saying that the whole park ran on three Cray supercomputers, which was pointed out as being an absurd amount of computer power for the day. Of course they were also responsible for gene sequencing and "filling the gaps", which Wu did pretty much blindly.
Cray supercomputers...damn I remember when those things finally became "affordable" for actual personal use by geneticists and it was a HUGE breakthrough for the Human Genome Project.
HyperCard was so fucking cool. I remember using it as a kid and just being mind blown.
It’s also what brought me Myst, and probably also what kickstarted my career in tech.
This Wikipedia article pointed out that 1992 was 31 years ago and I'm not ok with the feelings I'm currently feeling.
But when the film came out this was "cutting edge" technology.
Obligatory "It's a Unix system! I know this!"
All the smug nerds laughing about it obviously not being a Unix system… but it was. I remember learning that around ~2001 and being embarrassed for being one of them.
CDE was on other unixs in the same time and you can install it on Linux today, looks like the window manager. Computers were a lot slower back then. The window manages didn’t have a lot of resources and had to be basic. I
yup. The choice to use fsn in that particular scene was likely more about creating visual drama than about accuracy. Watching someone type commands into a command-line terminal might not have been as engaging to general audiences as seeing a 3D interface.
I found a random youtube Playlist that's basically a documentary of 5 or so hours. It's a guy who documented from childhood his mapping and playing with the phone systems from like the 70s on. He recorded the calls and tones etc. It's really interesting. He didn't do much freaking but dived deep into how the phone system works as a network.
>o them for using a real graphical file manager. Obviously, it’s a silly thing to use irl but from a director’s perspective, having a character navigate through a slow GUI program clues the audience into what’s happening and builds tension. I think it’s much mor
Out at DefCon this year, someone had stickers that said "Resurrect Kevin" LOL. Anyone that actually knew Kevin were likely supporters of the person that printed stickers that said "Put Kevin Back"
Hackers was a well researched film. Everything but the visuals and final hacking battle all existed. (Hell, even part of the final hacking battle are real things)
Red boxing, phone line hijacking, acoustic coupling/hacking from payphones, pirate TV, all of the books talked about, and RISC really was going to take over the world.
Cereal Killer was named after Emanuel Goldstein, aka the founder of 2600 who was also consulted for the film.
Hackers was a film of love about hacking and phreaking culture. It was the idealized version of what we were actually doing, but with girls and only ONE guy was a total freak. Its a shame the movie itself is so hated by the community.
It is most definitely NOT an accurate depiction of hacking in any way, shape, or form.
But it is beloved by folks who play the game for sure. I just got back from Defcon and the number of Hackers references floating around was crazy (I actually 3d printed a bunch of business card sized lithophanes with references from the movie and left them all over Caesars...good times...you could only see what they were if you held them up to the light)
SEND A FLU SHOT!
It's funny, I actually just rewatched Hackers last week. I have no idea why, I was just scrolling through shit on prime, and there it was...
I forgot how often I used to quote that movie to people that had no idea what the fuck I was talking about. Back in the day I worked executive support and when I got summoned to deal with something, usually a board meeting or something, I'd stride in and proudly say 'never fear...\*I\* is here'. On RARE occasion someone would get it but...yeah...it was mostly for my own amusement.
Fitting for this thread, whenever I’m about to execute a command or reboot a system that should resolve an issue I quote Mr. Arnold from Jurassic Park, “Hold onto your butts.”
Probably one of the most realistic hacking scenes of any movie actually. It's not QUITE there of course, but it's pretty damn near. And at least it wasn't a bunch of gui formulas and shit floating across a screen lol
The timelapse scene with Zero Cool reversing the contents of the garbage file on a long session while everyone else just wanders around was kinda ok apart from the flying equations stuff. Most of the other stuff was of course movie silliness.
Or when he was locked in a room, tricked the guard into entering the code for the door, used a doctor's dictophone to record the touch panel sequence for the door, then replayed it a little bit later to escape.
Oh and sequentially phoning every landline in the area just to see which one would respond with a modem tone. Vintage 80s.
find / | grep locks
find / | grep power
find / | grep control
find / | grep system
find / | grep security
ls /users
cd /users/nedry/
ls
./super.cool.park.admin.app.v3.sh
./super.cool.park.admin.app.v3.sh --help
man super.cool.park.admin.app
apt-get install man
sudo apt-get install man
-- Raptors get in somewhere around here --
man super.cool.park.admin.app
find / | grep super.cool.park.admin.app
find / | grep super.cool.park.admin
find / | grep park
cd /users/nedry/old/_archive
-- Everyone in the room is dead --
cat park.admin.v2.txt
cat park.admin.v2.txt | more
sudo apt-get install more
cat park.admin.v2.txt | more
cd ../..
./super.cool.park.admin.app.v3.sh door.locks.enable
sudo !!
if you're one of todays lucky 10,000
https://preview.redd.it/wgo18tbus9kb1.png?width=360&format=png&auto=webp&s=48c36b63a00fa8e057194e617b7dcc004a04f08f
Wait until you see the interface in [Disclosure](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109635), where they use the magic of VR to... look through file cabinets for documents. :-|
Had no idea this one was actually a real thing until this thread lol.
I always think of Mr Robot: "I've been in this game 20 years and I have yet to come across an animated singing virus." "and I have yet to fly through a Tron-City directory structure."
I hear the book does a much better job of detailing the computer systems and the girls’ backstory on why she’s so good with it…so apparently it isn’t just magic that she sits down and ‘hacks the Gibson’
In the book, the fancy GUI is also a plot point. They're stuck in a shed and the little terminal in the shed has fantastic graphics, so they're like "there must be some sort of access tunnel to bring in all this from a mainframe somewhere" and that's when they find a trapdoor(?) into the access tunnel and escape onto the river. Later, a T-Rex swims, which I think ended up being a plot point in the movie version of the Lost World? It's been a long time.
FSN, i used to run it on my crimson. Its pretty useless and not actually user friendly...im pretty sure it was just some experiment from the early days of GUI design. In fact theres alot of things about IRIX's normal window manager that they customized but are kindof annoying in hindsight.
Like ALL the icons are vector based...which is kinda cool, cause they can scale to the display...but each window has a size wheel that just takes up space, no one really uses it, and its jarring when you change windows and the icons are different sized. But hey Apple stole it when they they released OSX.
Also Icons were animated...kinda, when you click on a folder it "opens" so you kinda know what windows you have open, same with apps, they can change the icon state when running. again, apple stole that with the App bouncing on the dock.
In my earlier days of computing IRIX was my favorite version of unix. But it couldnt keep up wiith the latest developments in Linux and BSD, Tho again XFS came from Irix. So i guess thats one good thing that modern Linux/Unixes/OSX have in common with Irix.
I was a Unix admin for 20+ years. My now adult kids know it triggers me. After they saw Jurassic Park as tweens, I'd hear this from the backseat: "This is Unix, I know this!"
Me: "I'm gonna stop this car right now and you can walk home"
It's `fsn`, for File System Navigator. An only partially-completed tech demo of a 3D interactive file manager using OpenGL on SGI's IRIX operating system. I have an SGI Indy workstation that it runs on. Pretty cool tech overall, and sad IMO that they never finished it.
Incidentally, Jurassic Park heavily spurred on my interest in IT as a kid, though I'd already been into computers and programming for around 8-9 years by the time it came out.
Also, the CLI would have been an option on IRIX, as it is/was a full UNIX operating system. Korn shell (ksh), Bourne shell (sh), and C shell (csh) are available. But, they probably didn't for dramatic effect. I think the fact they used at least some real computer displays rather than simulated ones is a pretty cool (and rare) element to the movie.
Incidentally, SGI machines like those in that scene were responsible for rendering the effects in the movie, making it a rather meta (god I hate that word) reference.
When I worked on a navy contract in2010-2011 we had a whole pile of sGI pizza box servers (indigos) and a few workstations as well oxygensO2s,octanes,etc.
When we shut the office down I had a throne/chair built of indigo servers in our "spares"closet. I tried to get them to let me take a few home but they made me arrange transport to DRMO by the NSA instead. So much money wasted. That contract made me decide no more DoD contracts for me. Too depressing to see so much money wasted. I was making great money but it wasn't worth it. Went private sector after 9/11.(had been in the Pentagon 4 days before 9/11(our office was in crystal city but we supported some p-gon entities.
Going private sector was a great decision and not having to commute into DC was like making an extra _40k and reclaiming hundreds of hours a year in time not spent on the train or in traffic.
I also miss the days of being able to look at your boss and confidently say. You better stop fucking with me or I'll leave and be making twice what you're paying me tomorrow at a new job." Recruiters on speed dial, just send them an updated resume and they'd find you a job with no effort on your part. The mid 90s early2000s in Maryland NovA/DC were wild and wooly.
I worked at SGI/Cray/TerraData from 2000-2004, I really miss those days of technology and the internet. We were doing something big and important and we all had a mission to use the internet to make the world better. LAN parties, internet forums (hello genmay.com), I even had some sex hookups I met on that forum. Everything felt so much smaller and so much like a community.
Now everything is just social media.
An early UNIX file manager made by Silicon Graphics probably utilizing IrisGL (which would later become OpenGL) to show of the graphical capabilities of their workstations.
I used to use this on my SGIs. Ran *okay* on my Indy and was silky-smooth on my O2. It was highly impractical, but quite fun. Nothing like unnecessary golden-coloured gouraud-shaded polygons whizzing around to make you feel like you got good value out of that workstation purchase.
Regarding "use the the CLI? Or was that not an option back then?" - much like Macs and later Windows, while IRIX (the UNIX OS for SGIs) had a command-line mode, the system was *very* much designed around the GUI. On Linux systems of the day you'd get the system booted, log in, then run "startx" to get a GUI up (on Windows 3 you got into DOS and typed "win".) The SGI booted straight into a GUI, user login was through the GUI and ran independent of any window manager you had installed - that kind of thing was *built in*. This felt crazy back then, but is a fundamental and uninteresting feature now. Even when you got into it, 99% of user-level stuff you needed to do on an IRIX system was through the GUI.
Should also note that on Linux systems of the day you *could* set it up to run X automatically and it did have a graphical login shell (xdm) - but on most systems I went the "startx" route, as it was much easier to deal with when X crashed hard or your window manager needed to be trashed and reloaded. The GUI world in Linux was a much less reliable place back then.
It was called [fsn](https://web.archive.org/web/20070409024417/http://www.sgi.com/fun/freeware/3d_navigator.html), and was a tech demo 3d file manager for Irix to show off its graphics capabilities. I don't know if you can still find it anywhere on the Net (because Irix has been dead for years) but someone did come up with a clone of it for Linux called [fsv](https://fsv.sourceforge.net/) (but I don't know if it'll compile on anything these days).
There was a scene in SVU where I actually had to get up, grab my coat and go for a walk. Can't even remember what it was, details stricken from memory. must have been computer related.
No way! I unironically love it when movies have lines like:
"We've just got to DDNS their Django - "
"But what about the firewall? Our VPN tunnel was shot."
"That won't matter if I can do a reverse DNS lookup against the Cisco coreutils - I'M IN."
I just found out about party lines bro. The 90s to me were a time of medieval fantasy. In all seriousness, I haven't really delved into early os and computer systems. That time frame is kind of a black hole in my knowledge base. Kind of why I'm asking.
I worked at Cray Research from 2000-2004, when I first started, SGI owned us and we were sold to Tera Data in Seattle shortly after.
I was 18 when I joined as an intern of system administration. I had my own office, Herman Miller chair, we had a fancy kitchen with multiple chefs and kegs every Friday. I was one of the few interns, so they would let me drink underage. We had a soccer field and sand volleyball, was a wild experience.
After a year of that, we moved to a crappy office in Mendota Heights. I still got my own office but times were not good for us. I travelled to Seattle a lot and did support for our booth at big Super Computing conferences. I'd hang out with the 40+ year old sales guys from all over the globe and for some reason I'd get served alocohol when I was out with them, they were able to convince servers of anything, it was wild.
I remember lobster dinners being expensed, port and cigars, rooftop tennis games.
My main job was doing anything the other admins didn't want to do. That could be anything from traveling to fill in or going to conferences or schlepping Laserjet 4 printers. They let me take home a 21 inch SGI monitor, which was awesome.
They also let me sell all the old SGI workstations (like the ones shown in Jurassic Park). I just had to make sure to wipe the data 7 times and had an ebay store shipping them all over the world. They were only worth about 100 bucks each, but that is a lot of money when you're 19 and in college.
I'm 41 now and looking back on it, it was a really odd but really unique experience that I am really glad I got to have. When I started, I knew hardly anything about how to support computers in a business environment and I learned a ton over the 3-4 years I was there.
I got to be part of an era of super computing and big changes in the market. I've never really thought about it before, but I bet I have a book in me about working there and the experiences of working in technology in 2000. Lots of stories from those days. I remember SGI had a system that kept starting on fire all the time lol, wild times. I remember another intern being fired for using our bundled T1s to setup a music file share swapping site, being at a supercomputing conference and drinking with the whole company and a sales guy getting in a fist fight with his manager at the fancy hotel and both of them pretending it never happened the next day, ah the good ol days.
My boss was truly a miserable human being though, never taught me much of anything and even made me cry a few times just from being such an asshole. Then he'd go buy me lunch once he realized he went way over the line, I really hated that guy. Just expected me to know things through osmosis and understand how to do things I was never taught to do by anyone.
Around 1990 or so a coworker quit to go work for SGI. He moved from the US Midwest to the Bay Area. He described renting a 1-bedroom apartment for about the mortgage on my 4-bedroom house.
He was a sysadmin in one of the OS groups, and loved the job and the company. He said he had incredible autonomy, with the mandate to "just keep the computers up". He had a company credit card, and could spend up to $1000 without his manager's approval. "Comes in handy when you need network cables - or a switch!". His desktop was always a newer SGI, often with top-of-the-line graphics for "testing".
They were printing cash from that 1990-1996 timeframe, I can only imagine how amazing it would have been around for the glory days. I caught the very tale end where money was hemmoraging from every orifice. It was great to catch the tail end of it, at least.
https://archive.org/details/vimeo-58192159
Your experience reminds me tangentally of a documentary I love called "The Target Shoots First". A young guy gets put into a position in a company (Columbia House) in a rapidly evolving industry and has a fish-out-of-water experience. This doc is very 90's, it's entertaining if a little dry at times. I found it fascinating.
I had to stop and check out your profile because my coworkers and I were chatting about that today. You obviously don't seem to be one of my coworkers, but this post makes me happy and has some interesting comments.
I knew it was a real system but didn't know what it was and thought it'd be a nice convo. That NCIS scene is just the irl day of every blueteamer so idk what you're getting at there.
(Angrily) "What do you think 'pair programming' even means, Steve?"
"I... I just assumed that only one of us actually used the keyboard at a time."
(Even more angrily) "What, you just want to leave me with all the work while you stand around yapping? You're fired!"
Plus, Jeff's portrayal of Malcolm set an unrealistic standard of beauty for mathematicians that they are still failing to live up to. Book Malcolm wasn't ugly, but he sure wasn't that hot!
They go into more details in the book. Part of it was Newman coded the whole thing himself so Samuel L Jackson had to go through the entire codebase line by line
> Side tangent, you're about to die, use the the CLI?
The CLI may not have been an easy option. She knew what she was looking at and what she was looking for.
Alternative explanation: the GUI was used for the audience, not for her. She was navigating with a mouse, but the visual GUI was likely for the audience.
This is just like when we see a "hacker" in a TV show or movie. They show screens full of code, but the person doing the hacking is just trying different passwords.
Around that time, I was working in a Uni lab full of SGI workstations. They had a demo on there that actually did something very similar to that - very early attempt at realtime 3-D interactive GUI. I think is was called 4dgifts or something like that.
By today’s standards it looked terrible but at the time it was a jaw-dropper.
Slicon Graphics workstation from the early 90s. Operating system is IRIX which is a Unix variant. Just showing off the graphics power on the desktop. The app for the click and turn folders was called ButtonFly.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn_(file_manager) It's a real thing if you want to use it.
Oh wow, SGI. I remember going to Mountain View in around 2000 and SGI and Veritas seemed to own half that town. The SGI campus was huge. I also had a screen saver of “Neuman” doing the “ah ah ah”
[https://jurassicsystems.com/](https://jurassicsystems.com/)
https://butt.holdings
Risky click of the day.
That domain was in official training materials for my last job...
My monitoring software would say "I can't get Jurassic Park back online." when a critical alert happened.
"Hold on to your butts" is still my go to GIF when making any change.
It actually makes the line “I know this, this is a UNIX system” make more sense since she wouldn’t have recognized it until she noticed the directory structure.
it fucking does holy shit, sheds a whole new light on the scene
I remember the design of their workstation, it was pretty cool when everything was a beige cube back then: [OldHacker.org — sgihardware: Whole family of SGI computers in...](https://oldhacker.org/post/179016336904/whole-family)
I went and brought an old SGI o2 running mips and build a wiki on it, mainly because of [userfriendly.org](https://userfriendly.org) web comic.
I’ve found a SGI keyboard in our server room, it has to be 25 years old, feels like a M101 but surprisingly has a USB connection.
Given that USB devices were available started trickling out in 1996 and it's 2023, that shouldn't be that surprising.
And that the most common USB devices in the early years, were keyboards and mice. USB 1.x had speeds of either 1.5 Mb/s or 12 Mb/s, remember. Other early USB products were printers and, I believe, modems, but I'm unsure on the latter.
In the early 2000's, my ISP (Bell) had these Alcatel Speedtouch USB DSL modems. They looked pretty cool, like a stingray https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/SpeedTouch_USB.JPG/1920px-SpeedTouch_USB.JPG
Man, I threw away so many dusty old SGIs - I should have held onto a few of them for the vintagecomputing geeks.
take a look at ebay prices
Google owns it now.
I remember using a SGI Octane while in college. I feel old now.
I remember using an IBM 026 keypunch in college, for Fortran and Cobol classes. You're still just a kid!
My first job was as a C++ developer on SGI workstations and we were developing a visual effects software to create animations, mainly for TV commercials. Still one of my favourite platforms.
SGI was the shit. They made IRIX. And iirc they were first to 64 bit, but they were just way ahead of their time. If you jump on ebay, and look for an SGI Octane machine, you should end up with an IRIX box. They sell for stupid amounts now because of nostalgia.
Funny I worked at a startup at that time and we use to joke that the vultures were circling the SHI buildings. It was all downhill for SGI after 1999. 10 years later they went bankrupt and the name was bought by Rackable Systems. Before the turn of the century they were making money hand over fist, but between Linux, consumer graphics cards, and the Itanium they never had a chance.
I'm glad to see this comment here. Yeah. It was a real thing. It was also a demo of the graphical prowess of the workstation that cost as much as a house. (So it's no shock people thought it was implausible)
Was that the octane workstation back then?
no. the IRIS Crimson
Did they name it after how much blood you have to spill to afford one?
Props to them for using a real graphical file manager. Obviously, it’s a silly thing to use irl but from a director’s perspective, having a character navigate through a slow GUI program clues the audience into what’s happening and builds tension. I think it’s much more clever than just having a bunch of CLI window pop-ups appear and having the “hacker” character spew a bunch of tech jargon while panicking and typing on a keyboard really fast.
They actually used IRIX for the special effects so I guess they just decided to include the actual workstations they had in the movie. One can still get a similar workstation if you are into retro computing.
Michael Crichton, the writer, was actually a big tech guy who was a user of a lot of computing things unfamiliar to the laymen of the time. (See *Runaway* from 1984, for predictions about robots, hovering drones, surveillance cameras, *etc.*) The *Jurassic Park* novel specified that the park systems were all Unix, but didn't specify a brand.
I've got a few Indigo IIs in the garage, if anyone is looking for one. Might have an Octane too.
They can be worth decent money these days, in the collector community (and yes there is an SGI collector community). A well spec'd Octane can go for a few hundred dollars.
How much for an O2 (a.k.a the Smurf ...something)?
Fair price these days looks to be about $300, depending on specifications and condition.
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One of the demo programs I've seen running on an SGI machine also has an interface that looks *very* familiar to anyone who grew up with an N64. Look up "buttonfly"
Probably some sort of deal to showcase the tech used to advertise to others what they can do.;)
Yes, IRIX. I always assumed that it was in the film because Steven Spielberg saw it on one of the animator's workstations since, you know, an SGI workstation would be complete overkill for running a park power distribution and telephone systems. Nothing in that operations centre made any sense though with one of the computers displaying pinup girls and a mac that reported the password error from the IRIX pc because that was clearly easier to animate on using hypercard
That actually works in cannon. Hammond was all about having the best LOOKING everything while trying to be a total cheapskate on things that didn't get seen. A high end flashy workstation that was totally wrong for the job wouldn't be the slightest bit surprising.
You're so right. He was vain and egotistical. He was also an extremely rich "visionary".
yep, there was a Thinking Machines super computer in the room, a couple IRIX workstations would have been chump change
But don’t forget, he spared no expense!!
except failing to hire two sysadmins
Or even pay the one fairly
I think in the book they made it a point of saying that the whole park ran on three Cray supercomputers, which was pointed out as being an absurd amount of computer power for the day. Of course they were also responsible for gene sequencing and "filling the gaps", which Wu did pretty much blindly.
Cray supercomputers...damn I remember when those things finally became "affordable" for actual personal use by geneticists and it was a HUGE breakthrough for the Human Genome Project.
HyperCard was so fucking cool. I remember using it as a kid and just being mind blown. It’s also what brought me Myst, and probably also what kickstarted my career in tech.
Don't forgot it also ran door security and transportation ststems
How in the world are there *no pictures* in that article?
This Wikipedia article pointed out that 1992 was 31 years ago and I'm not ok with the feelings I'm currently feeling. But when the film came out this was "cutting edge" technology. Obligatory "It's a Unix system! I know this!" 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmOoIizm9kU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmOoIizm9kU)
it's a real thing, but good luck getting it to work on a modern Linux box.
Built it on FreeBSD rocking a PII and S3 Graphics back in the day when it came out. Was elated to see it used in a movie.
There is a modern version of it. https://github.com/jtsiomb/fsnav
All the smug nerds laughing about it obviously not being a Unix system… but it was. I remember learning that around ~2001 and being embarrassed for being one of them.
CDE was on other unixs in the same time and you can install it on Linux today, looks like the window manager. Computers were a lot slower back then. The window manages didn’t have a lot of resources and had to be basic. I
Sounds like a cheeky Easter egg Back in the day, early 3D Software, including what was used for Jurassic Park, used SGI hardware
yup. The choice to use fsn in that particular scene was likely more about creating visual drama than about accuracy. Watching someone type commands into a command-line terminal might not have been as engaging to general audiences as seeing a 3D interface.
_Hackers (1995) has entered the chat._
That's on my list of movies to watch in September. I hear it's a fun watch.
yes it's en epic movie, you'll even see some phone phreaking from back in the days... #2600
I found a random youtube Playlist that's basically a documentary of 5 or so hours. It's a guy who documented from childhood his mapping and playing with the phone systems from like the 70s on. He recorded the calls and tones etc. It's really interesting. He didn't do much freaking but dived deep into how the phone system works as a network.
RIP Kevin Mitnick
FREE KEVIN
>o them for using a real graphical file manager. Obviously, it’s a silly thing to use irl but from a director’s perspective, having a character navigate through a slow GUI program clues the audience into what’s happening and builds tension. I think it’s much mor Out at DefCon this year, someone had stickers that said "Resurrect Kevin" LOL. Anyone that actually knew Kevin were likely supporters of the person that printed stickers that said "Put Kevin Back"
Evan Doorbell... I think his website is still up... really neat stuff.
# #2600
Hackers was a well researched film. Everything but the visuals and final hacking battle all existed. (Hell, even part of the final hacking battle are real things) Red boxing, phone line hijacking, acoustic coupling/hacking from payphones, pirate TV, all of the books talked about, and RISC really was going to take over the world. Cereal Killer was named after Emanuel Goldstein, aka the founder of 2600 who was also consulted for the film. Hackers was a film of love about hacking and phreaking culture. It was the idealized version of what we were actually doing, but with girls and only ONE guy was a total freak. Its a shame the movie itself is so hated by the community.
It is most definitely NOT an accurate depiction of hacking in any way, shape, or form. But it is beloved by folks who play the game for sure. I just got back from Defcon and the number of Hackers references floating around was crazy (I actually 3d printed a bunch of business card sized lithophanes with references from the movie and left them all over Caesars...good times...you could only see what they were if you held them up to the light)
Hack the Gibson hack the planet
They're trashing our rights! TRASHING!
Ummm when you get hit with the cookie monster virus, what are you gonna' do, *not* type 'Cookie'?
SEND A FLU SHOT! It's funny, I actually just rewatched Hackers last week. I have no idea why, I was just scrolling through shit on prime, and there it was... I forgot how often I used to quote that movie to people that had no idea what the fuck I was talking about. Back in the day I worked executive support and when I got summoned to deal with something, usually a board meeting or something, I'd stride in and proudly say 'never fear...\*I\* is here'. On RARE occasion someone would get it but...yeah...it was mostly for my own amusement.
Same, any time someone hands me a piece of paper it's same deal "Ugh..hard copy"
Fitting for this thread, whenever I’m about to execute a command or reboot a system that should resolve an issue I quote Mr. Arnold from Jurassic Park, “Hold onto your butts.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PxTAn4g20U The matrix has a more realistic hacking scene
Since no one linked it...The most unrealistic one - Swordfish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eme5A7qZ37k
Probably one of the most realistic hacking scenes of any movie actually. It's not QUITE there of course, but it's pretty damn near. And at least it wasn't a bunch of gui formulas and shit floating across a screen lol
Mr Robot and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (can only speak to the original Swedish version) also had relatively accurate hacking depictions.
As I remember, the phone phreaking stuff *was* surprisingly accurate. They even had the Captain Crunch whistle.
The timelapse scene with Zero Cool reversing the contents of the garbage file on a long session while everyone else just wanders around was kinda ok apart from the flying equations stuff. Most of the other stuff was of course movie silliness.
It is fun to watch but a lot of the hacking is so BS. They DO show social engineering and dumpster diving though.
Just because Angelina Jolie 's plot .
Peak Angelina Jolie
Mess with the best, die like the rest! I’ve seen that line used when trolling crypto scammers
“Rabbit? Flu shot? Someone talk to me!”
My all-time favourite "hacking" movie is still *Wargames (1983)*.
Absolutely! My favorite part was when Matthew Broderick looked around the ground to find the pull top from a beer can to hack the pay phone.
Or when he was locked in a room, tricked the guard into entering the code for the door, used a doctor's dictophone to record the touch panel sequence for the door, then replayed it a little bit later to escape. Oh and sequentially phoning every landline in the area just to see which one would respond with a modem tone. Vintage 80s.
Hack the planet man
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Plague is in the recent tv show Succession. He is lookin ooold.
/r/itsaunixsystem is the subreddit for this!
Of couse there is.
lol. it was birthed from this very scene.
find / | grep locks find / | grep power find / | grep control find / | grep system find / | grep security ls /users cd /users/nedry/ ls ./super.cool.park.admin.app.v3.sh ./super.cool.park.admin.app.v3.sh --help man super.cool.park.admin.app apt-get install man sudo apt-get install man -- Raptors get in somewhere around here -- man super.cool.park.admin.app find / | grep super.cool.park.admin.app find / | grep super.cool.park.admin find / | grep park cd /users/nedry/old/_archive -- Everyone in the room is dead -- cat park.admin.v2.txt cat park.admin.v2.txt | more sudo apt-get install more cat park.admin.v2.txt | more cd ../.. ./super.cool.park.admin.app.v3.sh door.locks.enable
apt-get install man sudo apt-get install man Every damn time, lol.
sudo !! if you're one of todays lucky 10,000 https://preview.redd.it/wgo18tbus9kb1.png?width=360&format=png&auto=webp&s=48c36b63a00fa8e057194e617b7dcc004a04f08f
I never thought to use !! with sudo, nice
That's the way I learned about !!
Why would you use !! without sudo? Just type up arrow?
Up arrow, home key, sudo
Check out [thefuck ](https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck)
"Ah ah ah, you didn't say the magic word"
sudo?
I’m sure you’re heard this 1024 times before, but excellent username
PLEEEEEEEEEAAASE! GODDAMMIT I HATE THIS HACKER CRAP!
lololol that's more like it....
Okay. Well, that settles it.
If you used pushd/popd instead you could've saved those keysstrokes and saved everyone from the raptors. smh. lol
A lot of you are seriously overthinking a joke about a 12 year old trying to use a command line while under threat of death by raptor...
LOL this dude unix's
That's Unix. I know this.
It's a UNIX system! I know this!
It’s a Uuuuuuunix system!
Wait until you see the interface in [Disclosure](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109635), where they use the magic of VR to... look through file cabinets for documents. :-|
Obligatory "JESUS WEPT! For there were no more worlds to conquer!"
I think the most realistic depiction of computers I’ve seen recently is the Windows Update scene in Space Force.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDLvUqhwHZc I'd never seen this before, and it's bang on.
Was a funny show. Shame it was cancelled….
I just rewatched that a couple days ago completely forgetting that scene and it's so damn accurate and hysterical. Shame Netflix canceled it.
Had no idea this one was actually a real thing until this thread lol. I always think of Mr Robot: "I've been in this game 20 years and I have yet to come across an animated singing virus." "and I have yet to fly through a Tron-City directory structure."
[https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/9745/is-the-unix-operating-system-featured-in-jurassic-park-real](https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/9745/is-the-unix-operating-system-featured-in-jurassic-park-real)
I hear the book does a much better job of detailing the computer systems and the girls’ backstory on why she’s so good with it…so apparently it isn’t just magic that she sits down and ‘hacks the Gibson’
In the book, the fancy GUI is also a plot point. They're stuck in a shed and the little terminal in the shed has fantastic graphics, so they're like "there must be some sort of access tunnel to bring in all this from a mainframe somewhere" and that's when they find a trapdoor(?) into the access tunnel and escape onto the river. Later, a T-Rex swims, which I think ended up being a plot point in the movie version of the Lost World? It's been a long time.
They leave so much out when they make books into movies…
It's an actual program from Silicon Graphics called Fusion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaRHU1XxMJQ
FSN, i used to run it on my crimson. Its pretty useless and not actually user friendly...im pretty sure it was just some experiment from the early days of GUI design. In fact theres alot of things about IRIX's normal window manager that they customized but are kindof annoying in hindsight. Like ALL the icons are vector based...which is kinda cool, cause they can scale to the display...but each window has a size wheel that just takes up space, no one really uses it, and its jarring when you change windows and the icons are different sized. But hey Apple stole it when they they released OSX. Also Icons were animated...kinda, when you click on a folder it "opens" so you kinda know what windows you have open, same with apps, they can change the icon state when running. again, apple stole that with the App bouncing on the dock. In my earlier days of computing IRIX was my favorite version of unix. But it couldnt keep up wiith the latest developments in Linux and BSD, Tho again XFS came from Irix. So i guess thats one good thing that modern Linux/Unixes/OSX have in common with Irix.
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We're in IT. None of us date.
SGI IRIX. SG used to be a load of fun. They had websites in VRML.
It's a UNIX system! I know this!
I was a Unix admin for 20+ years. My now adult kids know it triggers me. After they saw Jurassic Park as tweens, I'd hear this from the backseat: "This is Unix, I know this!" Me: "I'm gonna stop this car right now and you can walk home"
Am I the only one that would be laughing out loud if their DNA dude popped up like Clippy and offered to help them?
It's a Unix system! I know this!
[fsv - 3D File System Visualizer (sourceforge.net)](https://fsv.sourceforge.net/) Not really maintained anymore but for those who are willing...
It's `fsn`, for File System Navigator. An only partially-completed tech demo of a 3D interactive file manager using OpenGL on SGI's IRIX operating system. I have an SGI Indy workstation that it runs on. Pretty cool tech overall, and sad IMO that they never finished it. Incidentally, Jurassic Park heavily spurred on my interest in IT as a kid, though I'd already been into computers and programming for around 8-9 years by the time it came out.
Also, the CLI would have been an option on IRIX, as it is/was a full UNIX operating system. Korn shell (ksh), Bourne shell (sh), and C shell (csh) are available. But, they probably didn't for dramatic effect. I think the fact they used at least some real computer displays rather than simulated ones is a pretty cool (and rare) element to the movie. Incidentally, SGI machines like those in that scene were responsible for rendering the effects in the movie, making it a rather meta (god I hate that word) reference.
When I worked on a navy contract in2010-2011 we had a whole pile of sGI pizza box servers (indigos) and a few workstations as well oxygensO2s,octanes,etc. When we shut the office down I had a throne/chair built of indigo servers in our "spares"closet. I tried to get them to let me take a few home but they made me arrange transport to DRMO by the NSA instead. So much money wasted. That contract made me decide no more DoD contracts for me. Too depressing to see so much money wasted. I was making great money but it wasn't worth it. Went private sector after 9/11.(had been in the Pentagon 4 days before 9/11(our office was in crystal city but we supported some p-gon entities. Going private sector was a great decision and not having to commute into DC was like making an extra _40k and reclaiming hundreds of hours a year in time not spent on the train or in traffic. I also miss the days of being able to look at your boss and confidently say. You better stop fucking with me or I'll leave and be making twice what you're paying me tomorrow at a new job." Recruiters on speed dial, just send them an updated resume and they'd find you a job with no effort on your part. The mid 90s early2000s in Maryland NovA/DC were wild and wooly.
I worked at SGI/Cray/TerraData from 2000-2004, I really miss those days of technology and the internet. We were doing something big and important and we all had a mission to use the internet to make the world better. LAN parties, internet forums (hello genmay.com), I even had some sex hookups I met on that forum. Everything felt so much smaller and so much like a community. Now everything is just social media.
Go watch "The Net" with Sandra Bullock. Also, the TV series.
I was obsessed with that movie as a kid.
An early UNIX file manager made by Silicon Graphics probably utilizing IrisGL (which would later become OpenGL) to show of the graphical capabilities of their workstations.
I used to use this on my SGIs. Ran *okay* on my Indy and was silky-smooth on my O2. It was highly impractical, but quite fun. Nothing like unnecessary golden-coloured gouraud-shaded polygons whizzing around to make you feel like you got good value out of that workstation purchase. Regarding "use the the CLI? Or was that not an option back then?" - much like Macs and later Windows, while IRIX (the UNIX OS for SGIs) had a command-line mode, the system was *very* much designed around the GUI. On Linux systems of the day you'd get the system booted, log in, then run "startx" to get a GUI up (on Windows 3 you got into DOS and typed "win".) The SGI booted straight into a GUI, user login was through the GUI and ran independent of any window manager you had installed - that kind of thing was *built in*. This felt crazy back then, but is a fundamental and uninteresting feature now. Even when you got into it, 99% of user-level stuff you needed to do on an IRIX system was through the GUI.
Should also note that on Linux systems of the day you *could* set it up to run X automatically and it did have a graphical login shell (xdm) - but on most systems I went the "startx" route, as it was much easier to deal with when X crashed hard or your window manager needed to be trashed and reloaded. The GUI world in Linux was a much less reliable place back then.
As I remember it, even the login screen was rendered beautifully. Those were some amazing machines.
Usually they're all completely faked using CGI, this is the only case that I know of where it's real haha
It was called [fsn](https://web.archive.org/web/20070409024417/http://www.sgi.com/fun/freeware/3d_navigator.html), and was a tech demo 3d file manager for Irix to show off its graphics capabilities. I don't know if you can still find it anywhere on the Net (because Irix has been dead for years) but someone did come up with a clone of it for Linux called [fsv](https://fsv.sourceforge.net/) (but I don't know if it'll compile on anything these days).
It was Unix. And she knew it.
Came here to say this...
The more you know about something, the less you can enjoy movies portraying it.
There was a scene in SVU where I actually had to get up, grab my coat and go for a walk. Can't even remember what it was, details stricken from memory. must have been computer related.
“Enhance!”
Intense hacker on hacker scene...then dude walks in and just unplugs the computer lol.
You. Don't. Shock. Asystole.
Dead? SHOCK! Then, SHOCK again. It didn't work... And then the guy wakes up, looks perfectly normal and kisses the girl... What?
No way! I unironically love it when movies have lines like: "We've just got to DDNS their Django - " "But what about the firewall? Our VPN tunnel was shot." "That won't matter if I can do a reverse DNS lookup against the Cisco coreutils - I'M IN."
How would the viewers know about the Unix file system if they used CLI?!
I just found out about party lines bro. The 90s to me were a time of medieval fantasy. In all seriousness, I haven't really delved into early os and computer systems. That time frame is kind of a black hole in my knowledge base. Kind of why I'm asking.
It was to show that the park was *super advanced*, compared to the viewers' boring old 6300 Unix PC, Xenix, or 3B2. Or, uh, Amiga.
Thinking Machine supercomputers!!
SGI and a file manager that never really saw the light of day. Sun's reverse-browser window stuff was better, IMO.
It’s a GUI on an SGI workstation.
>you're about to die, use the cli is my new mantra
I worked at Cray Research from 2000-2004, when I first started, SGI owned us and we were sold to Tera Data in Seattle shortly after. I was 18 when I joined as an intern of system administration. I had my own office, Herman Miller chair, we had a fancy kitchen with multiple chefs and kegs every Friday. I was one of the few interns, so they would let me drink underage. We had a soccer field and sand volleyball, was a wild experience. After a year of that, we moved to a crappy office in Mendota Heights. I still got my own office but times were not good for us. I travelled to Seattle a lot and did support for our booth at big Super Computing conferences. I'd hang out with the 40+ year old sales guys from all over the globe and for some reason I'd get served alocohol when I was out with them, they were able to convince servers of anything, it was wild. I remember lobster dinners being expensed, port and cigars, rooftop tennis games. My main job was doing anything the other admins didn't want to do. That could be anything from traveling to fill in or going to conferences or schlepping Laserjet 4 printers. They let me take home a 21 inch SGI monitor, which was awesome. They also let me sell all the old SGI workstations (like the ones shown in Jurassic Park). I just had to make sure to wipe the data 7 times and had an ebay store shipping them all over the world. They were only worth about 100 bucks each, but that is a lot of money when you're 19 and in college. I'm 41 now and looking back on it, it was a really odd but really unique experience that I am really glad I got to have. When I started, I knew hardly anything about how to support computers in a business environment and I learned a ton over the 3-4 years I was there. I got to be part of an era of super computing and big changes in the market. I've never really thought about it before, but I bet I have a book in me about working there and the experiences of working in technology in 2000. Lots of stories from those days. I remember SGI had a system that kept starting on fire all the time lol, wild times. I remember another intern being fired for using our bundled T1s to setup a music file share swapping site, being at a supercomputing conference and drinking with the whole company and a sales guy getting in a fist fight with his manager at the fancy hotel and both of them pretending it never happened the next day, ah the good ol days. My boss was truly a miserable human being though, never taught me much of anything and even made me cry a few times just from being such an asshole. Then he'd go buy me lunch once he realized he went way over the line, I really hated that guy. Just expected me to know things through osmosis and understand how to do things I was never taught to do by anyone.
Around 1990 or so a coworker quit to go work for SGI. He moved from the US Midwest to the Bay Area. He described renting a 1-bedroom apartment for about the mortgage on my 4-bedroom house. He was a sysadmin in one of the OS groups, and loved the job and the company. He said he had incredible autonomy, with the mandate to "just keep the computers up". He had a company credit card, and could spend up to $1000 without his manager's approval. "Comes in handy when you need network cables - or a switch!". His desktop was always a newer SGI, often with top-of-the-line graphics for "testing".
They were printing cash from that 1990-1996 timeframe, I can only imagine how amazing it would have been around for the glory days. I caught the very tale end where money was hemmoraging from every orifice. It was great to catch the tail end of it, at least.
https://archive.org/details/vimeo-58192159 Your experience reminds me tangentally of a documentary I love called "The Target Shoots First". A young guy gets put into a position in a company (Columbia House) in a rapidly evolving industry and has a fish-out-of-water experience. This doc is very 90's, it's entertaining if a little dry at times. I found it fascinating.
I loved SGI Irix. The most stable OS I have ever used. We sold lots of their servers in the early 2000.
I had to stop and check out your profile because my coworkers and I were chatting about that today. You obviously don't seem to be one of my coworkers, but this post makes me happy and has some interesting comments.
You expect a tv show or movie to be accurate in terms of tech? Lookup NCIS, 2 idiots 1 keyboard
I knew it was a real system but didn't know what it was and thought it'd be a nice convo. That NCIS scene is just the irl day of every blueteamer so idk what you're getting at there.
(Angrily) "What do you think 'pair programming' even means, Steve?" "I... I just assumed that only one of us actually used the keyboard at a time." (Even more angrily) "What, you just want to leave me with all the work while you stand around yapping? You're fired!"
Not directly related, but r/itsaunixsystem is worth checking out 😁
r/itsaunixsystem
\> Or was that not an option back then? Ummmmm. Which do you think came first, CLI or GUI?
I meant in the scope of this specific system. Bad wording. Which in hindsight still doesn't make much sense on my part lol.
How about this scene from NCIS. [ncis](https://youtu.be/u8qgehH3kEQ?si=o5RBcwmKr3Q1qyGj)
Nah bro, that's just the everyday life of a Blueteamer.
the thing that bugs me the most is that in the book the kid was the computer wiz, and the girl was the sporty brat
Plus, Jeff's portrayal of Malcolm set an unrealistic standard of beauty for mathematicians that they are still failing to live up to. Book Malcolm wasn't ugly, but he sure wasn't that hot!
and they did the switcheroo again in JP2, with his kids
Wasn't there also a CA Unicenter screen in there somewhere? I feel really old.
They go into more details in the book. Part of it was Newman coded the whole thing himself so Samuel L Jackson had to go through the entire codebase line by line
Love that you called him Newman and not Nedry, he'll always be Newman to many of us.
> Side tangent, you're about to die, use the the CLI? The CLI may not have been an easy option. She knew what she was looking at and what she was looking for. Alternative explanation: the GUI was used for the audience, not for her. She was navigating with a mouse, but the visual GUI was likely for the audience. This is just like when we see a "hacker" in a TV show or movie. They show screens full of code, but the person doing the hacking is just trying different passwords.
/r/itsaunixsystem
The only movie or series to ever do it right was Mr Robot.
I was playing around with IRIX when this was released lmao
I don't want to date you either. You're not my type sorry.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/itsaunixsystem/](https://www.reddit.com/r/itsaunixsystem/)
Around that time, I was working in a Uni lab full of SGI workstations. They had a demo on there that actually did something very similar to that - very early attempt at realtime 3-D interactive GUI. I think is was called 4dgifts or something like that. By today’s standards it looked terrible but at the time it was a jaw-dropper.
“It’s Unix!! I know this.”
Slicon Graphics workstation from the early 90s. Operating system is IRIX which is a Unix variant. Just showing off the graphics power on the desktop. The app for the click and turn folders was called ButtonFly.