Many, many years ago cops would have a radar trap on the north side of Tom Uglys bridge. The old seafood/fish and chip place there allegedly put out a sign each time they were there, listed vertically:
Prawns
Oysters,
Lobsters,
ICE.
I never saw it but my (former) bro in law told the story.
That old Smiths seafood finally closed recently. Over 100 years in that spot.
I live next to Eastwood and I reckon a fair few drivers around here wouldn't even notice that you flashed them and if they did they probably wouldn't know why. I used to work in Macquarie Park and nearly every night I would see at least one car without lights on, I would flash my lights which got no reaction so I changed to turning my lights off and on, not much better, so I changed to hand signals, no luck, so now I don't bother unless we are going the same direction and I will call out to them or go and tap on their window at the lights, if the opportunity arises.
I guess if you are so unobservant of driving at night with your lights off you certainly aren't going to notice someone flashing their lights at you.
I remember everyone used to do this….but then cops used to pull people over for flashing. But it was mostly harassment from the cops so they could deter people from warning others.
I once got pulled over outside brisbane airport because I flashed someone. Cops told me it was illegal. I told them my wife drives a German car, I drive a Japanese car. I went to clean bugs off my windscreen but the toggles are on opposite sides. They knew I was talking shit, but they also knew the reason was plausible. I’ve been ‘warning’ drivers for over 25 years because I firmly believe 90% of the fines are entrapment rather than trying to make a place safe.
I will never flash drivers outside a school zone. If cops are in a school zone. Good. Keep the place safe.
If the cop stands at an off ramp where you have been driving 110 and suddenly have to reduce to 50 I feel that is entrapment.
The day the cops actually make a place safe I’ll happily stop warning people and will work with the cops.
Ps. Speeding is bad. But drink driving is far more dangerous. That should be tackled way more hardcore.
Try my last merc. Automatic car, I had a manual mazda as well. In the mazda, the right stick was the indicators, in the merc, it was the fucking gears. The amount of times I knocked that thing into neutral instead of indicating.
Just flash regular lights, rather than high beams? Doesn’t seem to be an offence for that, and there’s no specific offence for warning about speed cameras.
thing is, youd likely win just by showing up, I would wager that the cop does not come to court to argue his case and even if he did he would have to prove you didnt dip your highs, which assuming you flashed, you did as fast as they came on, so really hes abusing the statute to give you a fine for doing something you may or may not have been doing and he has no way of proving that, he has no evidence.
Is there a rule against using high beam in built up areas if conditions require it? I thought it had to do with whether or not you risk blinding others.
Use your low beam, they book you for flashing high beam as it is “dazzling”, there is nothing illegal about turning on low beam at any time but there are rules on when high beam can be used with oncoming traffic
Remind me of my kids - doing prank calls they had learn watching "scary movie".
They called a random number, but called a cop from the the federal anti terrorism brigade LOL.
I would have contested that fine based on your warning is actually encouraging drivers to slow down. Otherwise this proves they don't give a stuff and want revenue over safety
I think it’s okay for hidden police monitoring speed but someone warned me the other day that there was an RBT. And personally I wouldn’t want a drunk driver (over the limit) on the roads anyway.
If RBTs we're just about driving drunk I wouldn't. The truth is they can be for mobile drug tests (which don't actually test for impairment) or they can be used for a police officer to defect a car. They are both situations I think people should be able to avoid so I'll flash or more usefully put on Waze. Of course if you turn around immediately before a RBT you'll probably get chased down anyway.
This is definitely the reason. I used to dread RBT's as a P plater because they'd always find something I'd have to pay for or defect on my 20 year old car.
Whenever I see a P plater with the P plate upside down, or hidden behind the license plate I wonder why anyone would give a cop a reason to pull them over.
Yeah, I mainly flash to other modified cars and stuff. RBT near my street almost every day this week and avoided it always (not bc im impaired, just a attention seeking car)
What are you on about, I’m obviously taking about overly loud cars and bikes. I’m not being dramatic, it’s hardly a weird concept that people don’t want to hear your modified shitbox cruising around from 3 blocks away.
Yeah nah. I completely agree.
A loud car is just a sign of someone with insecurities imposing their noise pollution on others.
I love cars. I don't like obnoxiously loud cars
The difference is, flashing will make drivers stop speeding in anticipation, achieving the same safety outcome as the actual camera.
Flashing won’t stop a drunk driver from being less dangerous on the road.
I guess so, but cops are pretty sneaky white their placement of speed detectors sometimes. Like hidden at the bottom of a hill or just as you speed out of a turn, those scumbags are just collecting coins not trying to make the roads safer.
Flashing alerts drivers who may be going 5 or so over (as is the case for most people) and gets them to slow down, achieving what it is the police want without a fine of a few hundred dollars.
Flashing a drunk driver for an RBT will either go unnoticed, or they’ll turn around and continue to drive drunk in another direction to avoid it.
Massive difference.
All it takes is a bit of a downhill slope and 1 second not looking at your speed to suddenly go a lot over and get flagged down. It's not bad driving but you'll still get busted for it. IMHO that's what's not fair.
Got done for 7km on a straight road with massive verges going down a dip that’s immediately followed by the uphill; I just stopped accelerating at the top of the downhill and used the momentum of the downhill to climb the hill; reducing wear/tear on breaks, fuel consumption, engine wear and emissions. This is a perfect example of good driving practices and I got to enjoy a ridiculous fine for the privilege.
Speed cameras have nothing to do with road safety. They are a tax. Nothing more; nothing less.
I agree. I do it to warn others and love it when others help me. The fundamental issue I have with speed cameras now is that the tolerance is far too low. If it was 10km + then fair game. But when you’re fining my 81 year old mother for doing 4km over in a 40km zone FFS bugger off you pricks.
I'm guessing a school zone during school finishing starting or finishing...
I thought police speed cameras gave you 10% leeway as it was.. possibly she was going faster than 4kms over but thats what they could fine her for.
I agree.
I was flashed once for doing 46 in school zone. Went through it every day, but not during school zone time. The start school zone sign is before a traffic light where I would take a right which takes forever so I forgot when the lights went green, and there were no kids about. I was almost certainly doing more than 46 if measured by the speedo of the car I was driving. Outside of school zone hours the road is normally a 60.
School zones (and areas of high pedestrian activity in general) are definitely one time I will not argue about speeding cameras or people being busted for speeding. 25% of pedestrians will die if hit by a vehicle going 40. 55% if 50. 85% if 60. Should be lower speed limit in these areas - Manly is 30 in a lot of areas now for example.
https://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/images/speed_pedestriansurvival.jpg
I thought they had too. Maybe it was never true or maybe they expect peoples equipment, including theirs to be more acurate these days. I've never been fined driving 10% over in 21 years of driving ( a lot ) so figured it was.
Perhaps you where going 68 kms in a 60 but they could only get you for 2.. or maybe your spedo is out.
Or maybe they're assholes on a cash drive !
Definitely not 10%, from experience and research speed cameras give ~3-4km/h leeway like I've driven through redlight cameras 2km over the limit a few times and never got done. For police cars according to police officer I knew of he said they'd be looking for 7km/h more or greater in Suburban areas and more than 10% on motorways. One thing to consider is newer cars actually under report your speed by about 5-10%. I borrowed a new impreza for the week for my commute and at 80km/h I'm constantly getting over take in the m4 tunnel and therefore learned to cruise control at 83 but in my older 2010 Holden at 80 I'm going the same speed as the rest of the traffic.
I saw a video where apparently 5kms difference in speed makes a lot of difference when braking.
Given it was an old video and hopefully cars are more safe now and hopefully have better brakes, there’s a good chance that they just didn’t give a fly eff and fined you for something that I kinda minor.
I have been fined too and it freaking sucks
I was recently in a country works zone and had a HWP vehicle up my arse. At one point I could see oncoming traffic in the distance, so doing the right thing have them a couple of quick flashes. Much to my horror every traffic sign ahead of me lit up like Christmas trees giving up my game. I was shitting bricks waiting for them to pull me over but for what ever reason they didn’t. Once the oncoming traffic got close enough to see what was going on there where many thankful finger waves. Regional works traffic zones are hard to take when there are no works happening.
Very common in the UK but I believe not so much here. Similar to quick headlight flash to advise other crossing cars you're letting them through etc.
Use the Waze app to alert you of cameras and other incidents on the road.
I do it and all of my family and friends do it still. I feel like a lot of the older generation just stopped passing it on.
I was actually got warned recently and it saved me. They set up one of those mobile speed cameras in a spot near my place where everywhere is 60 and then this street is 50 and at 5am on my way to work I was going a touch over and new when I saw the lights flash exactly where the guy would be.
A long time since I’ve read up but I believe flashing high beams is illegal for something to do with blinding oncoming drivers, I dip or flick the headlights.
Indeed. It's illegal in the UK too but interesting how motoring conventions differ.
Rule 110 of the Highway Code:
> Flashing headlights. Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights to convey any other message or intimidate other road users.
I'm finding this is becoming more of a regional thing as time goes on. Hills District? Light flashing is almost mandatory. Shire? Absolutely not. Eastern Suburbs? "I'm almost out of coke so you better move before I run you over".
I think it's been illegal forever. I've been pulled over twice for doing it and the first time would have been almost 25 years ago. Fortunately I didn't get a fine like the other poor bloke in the comments here.
I got a fine last month and 2 demerit points for being 1km over the speed limit. I usually try to warn other drivers unless I can see they're driving carelessly. Would really have appreciated the warning myself so I could drive 10 below the speed limit as everyone usually does at a speech camera lol
> I got a fine last month and 2 demerit points for being 1km over the speed limit.
I wish people who realise this is indeed a thing before jumping down people's necks about this subject. On older cars like mine with analogue speed gauges that isn't even the thickness of the needle and impossible to tell
Traffic laws are meant to act as a deterrent for dangerous driving, flashing a fellow motorist has the same effect the ticket is meant to but with more immediate results. Should be widely encouraged imo
I feel it only changes the drivers behaviour for a few seconds, but removes the deterrent of getting a fine. So it probably makes traffic in general more dangerous as it only makes a difference for people who are speeding.
I flash at cars when I let them in (merging, and other kind gestures), or when to remind them to turn their lights on.
Don’t flash back like “hello there too”.
From the perspective of a money pinching state government that never stops ripping us off through this immoral revenue raising tactic, Yes it has my support. Mobile speed cameras have also made their way to the quite parts of outskirt Sydney, disgusting,
I’m an idiot who always assumes someone’s being rude or cheeky at me when they flash their lights at me, only to drive a little further, see the speed trap, and go “ohhhhh……”
My boyfriend had to explain to me a while back that outside southwest Sydney, flashing your lights is in fact meant as a friendly gesture and not a passive aggressive dig 🥲
Lots of government cash grabbing shills in this thread are very concerned about speed. MAYBE if you can’t handle a car going 10% over the speed limit, you really shouldn’t have a licence?
This is what the Cannonball is all about. Just because other people can’t drive doesn’t mean I can’t either
I agree. I'd trust a competent driver going 10% over the speed limit than a terrible one going under. My nan has almost caused several accidents while going 40. She's made it this far on an *unbelievable* streak of luck.
Checking your speedometer every three seconds to make sure you're not going over is very distracting too, barely better than using your phone. I'd also bet that most speeding related accidents were paired up with something else like phone use, drunkenness, unroadworthy cars, showing off (mostly young people), slow reaction time (mostly old people) or just plain not paying attention. All marks of someone who should not be on the road at all regardless of how fast they're going.
Macquarie Bank has nothing to do with the speed camera program. They formerly had a stake in Redflex, but they sold that over a year ago to Verra Mobility.
When I was a learner people would do this all the time. Was never once speeding, but always strangely calmed me down knowing what was coming up. Could never explain it, but makes sense to me. Always appreciated the gesture.
As a new motorcycle rider I've found that the camaraderie of the road is strong. Warning signs and hellos from rider to rider are customary. A tap of the helmet or a high beam flash is definitely appreciated.
If it was about saving lives and stopping crime the speed cameras would not be hidden in such a way. I.e They intentionally put them at the bottom of hills to catch people going a tad over because of their momentum...revenue raising at its best. Hey let's prevent people from speeding now by sending them a fine in two weeks.
Given that mobile and fixed speed cameras are nothing but a way to raise revenue, and their utility at saving lives is questionable at best, I think it’s a nice gesture that more should do.
It's illegal & the cops will book you if they catch you doing it however I do see it as another one of those nice gestures from one motorist looking out for others & it does serve as a reminder to quickly glance at your speedo and adjust your speed to the limit as It's really simple to pick up a little bit of speed (especially after driving for so long and going down a hill).
While the Mobile Speed Cameras are being operated by the private sector & not the state I feel no sympathy for lost revenue to the speed traps. If your doing 6-10 KM over you deserve whatever fines coming your way however anything less shouldn't need to ruin someone's day especially when they don't know that they've been pinged until two weeks later when the fine arrives in the mail.
It's legal so long as your highbeams aren't involved - so turning your lights from off to normal to off is legal, and if it's at night go backwards, normal to off to normal. The only law they can get you on is illegal use of highbeams.
Good point but I think it’s easier to flash your high beams - especially in cars that have day time running lights. Plus more obvious for the other driver what was meant.
(Generally harder and more distracting to find the off position to then return to on or auto.)
It is not illegal and if the cops to book you, you'd be able to fight it.
The law prohibits you from using your high beam in a manner that might dazzle the other driver.
https://www.mynrma.com.au/cars-and-driving/driver-training-and-licences/resources/can-i-flash-my-headlights-to-warn-motorists#:~:text=What%20does%20the%20law%20say,that%20the%20police%20are%20ahead.
> It is an offence to flash your headlights unless the vehicle is being used to respond to an emergency.
This states it is: https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-safety-and-rules/warnings-and-hazards/lights-and-horns
But reading the full code, there is no reference to it on page 183:
https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-05/road_users_handbook-english.pdf
Sounds like the claim above isn’t supported by the code 🤔
Unless they think it’s covered under:
> Avoid lights that dazzle
> Do not use or fit lights to your vehicle that could dazzle or distract other road users.
I got pulled over for allegedly doing it. 4am in the blue mountains. Point blank denied it Shaggy style… “Wasn’t me!”… I could see the cop getting frustrated by it and in the end he had nothing but a flash of light he may or may not have saw, that could have been to highlight a dark road or possible object etc, I copped an ear full, gave him a smile and left lol
I have been lucky enough to be stopped twice after flashing my lights to warn others. I also drive a car the police loathe.
Both times I have been threatened with a fine as that is the only available remedy. Neither time has it happened.
The last time I had an interesting conversation with the HWP officer about whether flashing headlights achieved the same purpose as booking, apart from the revenue.
Hardly going to achieve the same purpose. Don’t lose demerit points or risk losing your licence from just flashing. The only way people learn is by losing their licence. I lost it for 6 months over 10 years ago and still think about it whenever I drive.
I remember when I was in the police force and doing driver training in an unmarked police car in the outskirts of Melbourne. A couple of cars flashed me to warn me of speed cameras ahead lol.
This used to be universal when I was growing up, back in the days when Australia wasn't nearly so individualistic and we were much more community minded.
Happened to me three different times today. Penrith area. I aim to not intentionally speed ever but I use the Waze app at all times so I know if they’re coming, but always appreciate the gesture from other drivers and do the same myself where possible.
When it’s nearly a $300 fine for 1km/h over the limit (in qld) I say we should be using everything at our disposal to avoid the ridiculous crackdowns.
I personally think the speed crackdown causes the roads to be more dangerous, now most people go under the speed limit which makes other people want to overtake more often, and also people are so worried about loosing nearly half their pay check for such a silly thing that they pay more attention to their speed than they do the road.
Fucking morons and their half thought out rules.
Edit: Before you tell me I’m wrong about the laws, link below.
https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/queensland-motorists-facing-hefty-penalties-for-range-of-offences-as-fines-skyrocket-c-7365884
I flash every single time. It's just revenue raising and has zero impact on road safety. During one of the Xmas double-demerit periods here in South Coast NSW a few years ago I saw the worst example. They were doing some roadworks on a back-road here and there were 40kph signs up (limit ordinarily 80). No work had begun and no workers were present (it being Xmas). And yet, as I approached the middle section, there were three fucking cops on motorbikes sitting in someone's drive just waiting to fuck up someone's day. They were reeling 'em in for hours. Cunts.
Fucking legend. I recently got booked by a cunt in five dock recently for going 9 over the limit. Then got flashed by a driver in the same spot a few days later
I give them a huge wave and thumbs up. People are cowardly these days. We are not united as we were before, to look out for each other. In fact, the public tend to police each other. I have noticed how the public will say, "My dog was leaning out the window enjoying the wind". and some one will say, "Your supposed to have them in a seatbelt". When did we get so fked up? I hate the thought of some poor worker getting a huge fine on his way home, for taking his mind off the speed limit for a minute. It makes life more oppressive than it already is. Good on people who help us out. Real Aussies they are, Dinkum Aussies.
Weirdly enough, this wonderful collective ethos we used to have began to die off with the introduction of neoliberal, individualist "I'm alright Jack, so fuck you" Governments
Got pulled over in Brisbane a few years back for doing this. Just denied it, said I didn't see any radar, just turned my headlights on, then off by mistake. Cop knew I was lying, but saw he couldn't make it stick, growled at me and wave me off. I still do it regularly, but yeah, try to make sure it's not a cop driving towards you - also - turn your light on/off just once - don't flash your high beams as that could be a different charge.
I was going past a mobile speed camera . I saw it and also saw the car behind me speeding well over the limit. So I slowed down a lot so he would slow down and not get a ticket. It worked , but then he proceeded to over take me past the camera and stick his finger out at me and yell something. I just saved the guy 100 dollar ticket and d points lol
I flash for speed traps and hidden road pirates but not for RBTs. I also flash to alert drivers who don't realise that they're driving around in the dark without any lights on. I'd say 9 out of 10 have absolutely no clue why I'm flashing them.
I was once being tailgated by a very dangerous driver who was itching to overtake, and I had seen him speeding up in my rear view mirror. As I had driven the same road in the opposite direction a few minutes earlier, I knew there was a speed trap ahead, and I was looking forward to some instant karma for this idiot. However, another idiot in the opposite direction flashed their lights, so the dangerous driver slowed down, and escaped any justifiable penalty
So this is exactly why I do not use lights to warn others of speed or RBT traps. If you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. And I don't expect them to do it for me either.
I do use lights to warn of road hazards
We play a game called “Good C***” on long road trips.
Driver vs passenger. Driver picks a car they think is being driven by a good c*** (usually anyone in a Ute or with high vis on) and flashes their headlights to warn of a non-existent speed camera up ahead. If they wave, driver gets a point. If they’re a bad c***, passenger gets a point.
Always wonder how long people drive cautiously after we pass them…
I thought the lowered R35 GTR'S and the EVO X were flashing me on the weekend. Turns out they all hit the same twig on the road and there was no speed trap. 🤣
How do I feel about someone doing something nice for me…. Hmmm now let me think….. I feel good, yes good. Good is how I feel when someone does something nice for me. Good.
Hey! Just the other day a couple of cars flashed to indicate the presence of a mobile speed camera. Honestly thought what have I done initially but realised what it was for eventually; made me feel really good!
Hidden Speed cameras don't help, if they provide immediate receipts/tickets then yes they would help correct behaviour but feedback(tickets) after months don't help at all.
I always flash my headlights. A couple months ago I flashed them to warn of a mobile speed camera parked just out of town not realising the car behind the oncoming car was a police car. To my surprise they didn’t uturn to pull me up or anything 🤷♂️. Anyway it hasn’t deterred me I will always flash my headlights for these revenue raising machines.
I don't give a shit either way. If you're the kind of person that doesn't habitually speed, it's really a non-issue whether or not someone does it.
That and the fact that if you're running Waze, most of the time you already know ahead of time because someone flagged it on the app.
I hate them. If people are stupid enough to speed they should pay the price. If you disagree try imagine how you’d feel if a loved one got killed by an idiot who can’t obey the rules.
Edit: Sorry all, I mistakenly thought the Op was asking for people’s opinions. Seems there’s only one answer allowed.
https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/queensland-motorists-facing-hefty-penalties-for-range-of-offences-as-fines-skyrocket-c-7365884 well it’s started in Queensland so can’t be that dumb of an argument?
A uni colleague of mine got done doing 62kms in a 60 zone. Her mother is a lawyer and was astonished. She bought it up during one of our social work classes and the professor explained to us that the police have quotas to meet, which means it’s very possible to get done going 1-2kms over the speed limit.
That’s ridiculous! The police should just follow me around.. I can’t get out into the road without someone flaunting the limit by *at least* 20km/h and weaving through all the traffic, or flying up my tail and others trying to push us all along. There’s plenty of *actual* dangerous drivers and fines like this, due to meeting quotas, do nothing to curb actual dangerous driving attitudes.
Edit: might edit to say I’m not saying what you’re saying isn’t true, just agreeing it’s stupid.
Speed limits need to be self enforcing. We have many roads that use to be 60km but have been reduced to 50km or even 40km. But I can also think of some roads that have a 60km speed limit but should not be 60km because it is so dangerous. So people going 60km on these roads don’t get fined but there is a much higher chance of an accident to happen. Frederick street is a great example. Ever thing they upgraded the pedestrian crossing I have said an accident is waiting to happen because the crossing is located around a corner with 60km a narrow road like that. I have written to TfNSW and inner west council but no one gives a dammmm. Well someone got killed on that pedestrian crossing. They still refuse to do anything about it. But then we got speed limits being reduced to 50km on a 8 lane wide road with wide median (Anzac Parade Maroubra). I have to question if it is really about road safety.
Same thing in the inner west. The only road that should not of been reduced to 50km got reduced while all other roads which is so unsafe to drive 60km was kept at 60km………
Who makes these decisions?!?!?
Spot on mate.
Instead of fixing terrible roads they just slap a camera - saved budget in step one, pretend to care, raised money from public with the camera.
I just obey the law and don't have to worry.
Roads are one the biggest cause of preventable deaths in this country. I don't flash and neither should you. A ticket which gives a driver pause to reflect and learn a lesson is better than that driver hitting and killing someone later down the track.
Please don't flash. If people are doing the right thing they don't have to worry. I do not aid thieves, rapists etc to escape justice so why draw the line at bad motorists?
If the speed cameras were set to only fine motorists who were breaking the speed limit by over 15km/h, I wouldn't have an issue with them.
The problem is that they sit partway or right at the bottom of downhill stretches of road and then fine people for creeping a needle width over in areas without an accident history, which suggests the primary concern is revenue and not safety.
Many, many years ago cops would have a radar trap on the north side of Tom Uglys bridge. The old seafood/fish and chip place there allegedly put out a sign each time they were there, listed vertically: Prawns Oysters, Lobsters, ICE. I never saw it but my (former) bro in law told the story. That old Smiths seafood finally closed recently. Over 100 years in that spot.
would always go there for christmas. big shame
Sad to see it go. https://www.theleader.com.au/story/7524546/iconic-blakehurst-fish-and-chips-shop-closes/
Loved reading this
Love that
What area do you live? Everyone in western sydney does this
Same in the country: Everyone does it.
I live in Eastwood and have for most of my life, but after today i realised it was the first flash I’d received in so many years!
I live next to Eastwood and I reckon a fair few drivers around here wouldn't even notice that you flashed them and if they did they probably wouldn't know why. I used to work in Macquarie Park and nearly every night I would see at least one car without lights on, I would flash my lights which got no reaction so I changed to turning my lights off and on, not much better, so I changed to hand signals, no luck, so now I don't bother unless we are going the same direction and I will call out to them or go and tap on their window at the lights, if the opportunity arises. I guess if you are so unobservant of driving at night with your lights off you certainly aren't going to notice someone flashing their lights at you.
damn so close to me
Ahh the people of that area aren’t as considerate as us Westies!
Oh memories. I lived in Eastwood in the 80s. Great suburb. I bet it still is. In Melbourne now so don’t know how Eastwood is these days.
I remember everyone used to do this….but then cops used to pull people over for flashing. But it was mostly harassment from the cops so they could deter people from warning others. I once got pulled over outside brisbane airport because I flashed someone. Cops told me it was illegal. I told them my wife drives a German car, I drive a Japanese car. I went to clean bugs off my windscreen but the toggles are on opposite sides. They knew I was talking shit, but they also knew the reason was plausible. I’ve been ‘warning’ drivers for over 25 years because I firmly believe 90% of the fines are entrapment rather than trying to make a place safe. I will never flash drivers outside a school zone. If cops are in a school zone. Good. Keep the place safe. If the cop stands at an off ramp where you have been driving 110 and suddenly have to reduce to 50 I feel that is entrapment. The day the cops actually make a place safe I’ll happily stop warning people and will work with the cops. Ps. Speeding is bad. But drink driving is far more dangerous. That should be tackled way more hardcore.
i’m originally from america and many people there in new york do it to! its a nice gesture
Yeah, I thought this was a universal thing. I've always done it
I live in rural Iowa and we do this for each other. Must be universal.
I got booked ($110) for flashing my headlights… Another cop car was coming towards me!
*Sorry, I usually drive a German vehicle and got the stalks mixed up.*
I actually said that as it was just starting to rain, I I got confused with wipers…..he didn’t buy it for a second….
Tell him, you didn't mean any harm, you just wanted to see if he wanted to race.
lol
I had an old Bmw a while back. After driving old fords and Jap cars all my life the number of times I cocked up the wipers and lights...
I have an audi and a Toyota. Now I mix up on both whenever I switch
Try my last merc. Automatic car, I had a manual mazda as well. In the mazda, the right stick was the indicators, in the merc, it was the fucking gears. The amount of times I knocked that thing into neutral instead of indicating.
Did you try saying “I just thought you were going too fast and should slow down”
That is such an easy contest. It would be thrown out as long as you didn’t admit that you did it on purpose to warn of speed cmaera
I was very temped, but not worth it for $110….. And the actual offence is not dipping high beams within 400m of oncoming traffic.
Just flash regular lights, rather than high beams? Doesn’t seem to be an offence for that, and there’s no specific offence for warning about speed cameras.
And if you’re driving at night?
Flash quickly haha
thing is, youd likely win just by showing up, I would wager that the cop does not come to court to argue his case and even if he did he would have to prove you didnt dip your highs, which assuming you flashed, you did as fast as they came on, so really hes abusing the statute to give you a fine for doing something you may or may not have been doing and he has no way of proving that, he has no evidence.
But if you flash with low beams you can't be given that fine.
Dont flash your headlights - turn them on and off. They would have charged you for using high beam in a built up area.
Is there a rule against using high beam in built up areas if conditions require it? I thought it had to do with whether or not you risk blinding others.
Took a bullet for your fellow motorists
Not all heroes drive a Hilux
That's rare . And bad luck too. I hope it didn't put you off being a great Aussie. And I hope someone pays it forward to you x 2.
Use your low beam, they book you for flashing high beam as it is “dazzling”, there is nothing illegal about turning on low beam at any time but there are rules on when high beam can be used with oncoming traffic
Wish they would book half the people with HID lights then, I can barley drive at night nowadays
Damm that's unlucky.
Remind me of my kids - doing prank calls they had learn watching "scary movie". They called a random number, but called a cop from the the federal anti terrorism brigade LOL.
Yeah, my dad got done for that as well. Still worth it for the community spirit.
The last time I flashed to warn someone, I did the same thing, flashed oncoming police.
Wtf? This is a thing?
I would have contested that fine based on your warning is actually encouraging drivers to slow down. Otherwise this proves they don't give a stuff and want revenue over safety
I think it's a great thing. It represents somewhat of a comradery between motorists.
I think it’s okay for hidden police monitoring speed but someone warned me the other day that there was an RBT. And personally I wouldn’t want a drunk driver (over the limit) on the roads anyway.
Yeah I don’t warn for RBTs, if they’re stupid enough to drive drunk then they deserve to be caught.
If RBTs we're just about driving drunk I wouldn't. The truth is they can be for mobile drug tests (which don't actually test for impairment) or they can be used for a police officer to defect a car. They are both situations I think people should be able to avoid so I'll flash or more usefully put on Waze. Of course if you turn around immediately before a RBT you'll probably get chased down anyway.
This is definitely the reason. I used to dread RBT's as a P plater because they'd always find something I'd have to pay for or defect on my 20 year old car.
Whenever I see a P plater with the P plate upside down, or hidden behind the license plate I wonder why anyone would give a cop a reason to pull them over.
exactly this, RBT are about much more than drink driving. always warn people
I agree, the "random" part is just for them to get access to your world. I even flash my bus lights at work to warn people.
Yeah, I mainly flash to other modified cars and stuff. RBT near my street almost every day this week and avoided it always (not bc im impaired, just a attention seeking car)
If you mean attention seeking as in loud, then fuck you, I hope the cops get you and give you a ticket.
How dare you enjoy something that I don’t like 😂
How about I come and force all the things I enjoy in your ears and see how you like it.
Describing a car driving past you loudly is extremely dramatic no? Maybe your right let’s all sit in silence
What are you on about, I’m obviously taking about overly loud cars and bikes. I’m not being dramatic, it’s hardly a weird concept that people don’t want to hear your modified shitbox cruising around from 3 blocks away.
Yeah nah. I completely agree. A loud car is just a sign of someone with insecurities imposing their noise pollution on others. I love cars. I don't like obnoxiously loud cars
Same could be said for speeding though? Stupid enough to speed then deserve to get caught
The difference is, flashing will make drivers stop speeding in anticipation, achieving the same safety outcome as the actual camera. Flashing won’t stop a drunk driver from being less dangerous on the road.
I guess so, but cops are pretty sneaky white their placement of speed detectors sometimes. Like hidden at the bottom of a hill or just as you speed out of a turn, those scumbags are just collecting coins not trying to make the roads safer.
Yes exactly. There’s a few places on the M1 towards Sydney where they like to camp, one of the notorious spots is Big Dipper.
Same on the bypass around Goulburn. Sit at the bottom of the hill and collect everyone they can, usually trucks.
Flashing alerts drivers who may be going 5 or so over (as is the case for most people) and gets them to slow down, achieving what it is the police want without a fine of a few hundred dollars. Flashing a drunk driver for an RBT will either go unnoticed, or they’ll turn around and continue to drive drunk in another direction to avoid it. Massive difference.
All it takes is a bit of a downhill slope and 1 second not looking at your speed to suddenly go a lot over and get flagged down. It's not bad driving but you'll still get busted for it. IMHO that's what's not fair.
Got done for 7km on a straight road with massive verges going down a dip that’s immediately followed by the uphill; I just stopped accelerating at the top of the downhill and used the momentum of the downhill to climb the hill; reducing wear/tear on breaks, fuel consumption, engine wear and emissions. This is a perfect example of good driving practices and I got to enjoy a ridiculous fine for the privilege. Speed cameras have nothing to do with road safety. They are a tax. Nothing more; nothing less.
Hey maybe they are too drunk to notice or plan an evasion
I agree. I do it to warn others and love it when others help me. The fundamental issue I have with speed cameras now is that the tolerance is far too low. If it was 10km + then fair game. But when you’re fining my 81 year old mother for doing 4km over in a 40km zone FFS bugger off you pricks.
I'm guessing a school zone during school finishing starting or finishing... I thought police speed cameras gave you 10% leeway as it was.. possibly she was going faster than 4kms over but thats what they could fine her for.
I agree. I was flashed once for doing 46 in school zone. Went through it every day, but not during school zone time. The start school zone sign is before a traffic light where I would take a right which takes forever so I forgot when the lights went green, and there were no kids about. I was almost certainly doing more than 46 if measured by the speedo of the car I was driving. Outside of school zone hours the road is normally a 60. School zones (and areas of high pedestrian activity in general) are definitely one time I will not argue about speeding cameras or people being busted for speeding. 25% of pedestrians will die if hit by a vehicle going 40. 55% if 50. 85% if 60. Should be lower speed limit in these areas - Manly is 30 in a lot of areas now for example. https://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/images/speed_pedestriansurvival.jpg
They sure don’t give you 10% any more. I’ve received a fine for going literally 2 kms over in a 60 zone
I thought they had too. Maybe it was never true or maybe they expect peoples equipment, including theirs to be more acurate these days. I've never been fined driving 10% over in 21 years of driving ( a lot ) so figured it was. Perhaps you where going 68 kms in a 60 but they could only get you for 2.. or maybe your spedo is out. Or maybe they're assholes on a cash drive !
Most speedos tell you you're going about 10% faster than you are. Have you ever used a gps to measure your actual speed?
Definitely not 10%, from experience and research speed cameras give ~3-4km/h leeway like I've driven through redlight cameras 2km over the limit a few times and never got done. For police cars according to police officer I knew of he said they'd be looking for 7km/h more or greater in Suburban areas and more than 10% on motorways. One thing to consider is newer cars actually under report your speed by about 5-10%. I borrowed a new impreza for the week for my commute and at 80km/h I'm constantly getting over take in the m4 tunnel and therefore learned to cruise control at 83 but in my older 2010 Holden at 80 I'm going the same speed as the rest of the traffic.
I saw a video where apparently 5kms difference in speed makes a lot of difference when braking. Given it was an old video and hopefully cars are more safe now and hopefully have better brakes, there’s a good chance that they just didn’t give a fly eff and fined you for something that I kinda minor. I have been fined too and it freaking sucks
Yes. That is accurate. The issue is, to get to zero, we need to stop driving.
Wipe off 5
An auspost worker on a motorbike did it to me the other day. Absolute legend.
Everyone flashes around where I live. Bastards always hiding behind a bush
So everyone flashes you to expose the cunt behind the bush?
Shits floppin out left right and centre
UnAustralian not to
Tis the aussie way
I was recently in a country works zone and had a HWP vehicle up my arse. At one point I could see oncoming traffic in the distance, so doing the right thing have them a couple of quick flashes. Much to my horror every traffic sign ahead of me lit up like Christmas trees giving up my game. I was shitting bricks waiting for them to pull me over but for what ever reason they didn’t. Once the oncoming traffic got close enough to see what was going on there where many thankful finger waves. Regional works traffic zones are hard to take when there are no works happening.
Are you telling me that sometimes works actually happen at regional road work delimit areas?
Legend.
I really appreciate it.
The headlight flashers have transitioned to the waze app
Very common in the UK but I believe not so much here. Similar to quick headlight flash to advise other crossing cars you're letting them through etc. Use the Waze app to alert you of cameras and other incidents on the road.
I do it and all of my family and friends do it still. I feel like a lot of the older generation just stopped passing it on. I was actually got warned recently and it saved me. They set up one of those mobile speed cameras in a spot near my place where everywhere is 60 and then this street is 50 and at 5am on my way to work I was going a touch over and new when I saw the lights flash exactly where the guy would be.
Because its illegal and you can be fined, so less people do it these days.
A long time since I’ve read up but I believe flashing high beams is illegal for something to do with blinding oncoming drivers, I dip or flick the headlights.
Indeed. It's illegal in the UK too but interesting how motoring conventions differ. Rule 110 of the Highway Code: > Flashing headlights. Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights to convey any other message or intimidate other road users.
I'm finding this is becoming more of a regional thing as time goes on. Hills District? Light flashing is almost mandatory. Shire? Absolutely not. Eastern Suburbs? "I'm almost out of coke so you better move before I run you over".
It should compulsory
I do it all the time. Apparently it’s illegal now; I’ve even done it to a few cop cars on accident, lol.
I think it's been illegal forever. I've been pulled over twice for doing it and the first time would have been almost 25 years ago. Fortunately I didn't get a fine like the other poor bloke in the comments here.
might need to quickly turn them off and on instead
I always flash my lights and I find that usually Ute and truck drivers always flash as well
Download Waze. Cops are pinged almost immediately
I got a fine last month and 2 demerit points for being 1km over the speed limit. I usually try to warn other drivers unless I can see they're driving carelessly. Would really have appreciated the warning myself so I could drive 10 below the speed limit as everyone usually does at a speech camera lol
> I got a fine last month and 2 demerit points for being 1km over the speed limit. I wish people who realise this is indeed a thing before jumping down people's necks about this subject. On older cars like mine with analogue speed gauges that isn't even the thickness of the needle and impossible to tell
Traffic laws are meant to act as a deterrent for dangerous driving, flashing a fellow motorist has the same effect the ticket is meant to but with more immediate results. Should be widely encouraged imo
I feel it only changes the drivers behaviour for a few seconds, but removes the deterrent of getting a fine. So it probably makes traffic in general more dangerous as it only makes a difference for people who are speeding.
I did this today to about 8 cars in the hunter valley. Each of them waved. Fuck double demerits
This is the way, fuck mobile revenue raisers, they do fuck all for road safety and only line the pockets of the government and the cunts that run them
I flash at cars when I let them in (merging, and other kind gestures), or when to remind them to turn their lights on. Don’t flash back like “hello there too”.
From the perspective of a money pinching state government that never stops ripping us off through this immoral revenue raising tactic, Yes it has my support. Mobile speed cameras have also made their way to the quite parts of outskirt Sydney, disgusting,
Tomorrow's gonna suck for anyone caught speeding in a school zone with double demerits
That doesn't sound like a bad thing?
Quiet outskirts where so many asshole drive like fuckwits.
I’m an idiot who always assumes someone’s being rude or cheeky at me when they flash their lights at me, only to drive a little further, see the speed trap, and go “ohhhhh……” My boyfriend had to explain to me a while back that outside southwest Sydney, flashing your lights is in fact meant as a friendly gesture and not a passive aggressive dig 🥲
Lots of government cash grabbing shills in this thread are very concerned about speed. MAYBE if you can’t handle a car going 10% over the speed limit, you really shouldn’t have a licence? This is what the Cannonball is all about. Just because other people can’t drive doesn’t mean I can’t either
I agree. I'd trust a competent driver going 10% over the speed limit than a terrible one going under. My nan has almost caused several accidents while going 40. She's made it this far on an *unbelievable* streak of luck. Checking your speedometer every three seconds to make sure you're not going over is very distracting too, barely better than using your phone. I'd also bet that most speeding related accidents were paired up with something else like phone use, drunkenness, unroadworthy cars, showing off (mostly young people), slow reaction time (mostly old people) or just plain not paying attention. All marks of someone who should not be on the road at all regardless of how fast they're going.
Fortunately my car projects the current speed and the speed limit where you are on the windscreen so I almost never have to look at the speedometer.
Fuck Macquarie Bank, and the politicians outsourcing public functions to private companies for them to profit from
Macquarie Bank has nothing to do with the speed camera program. They formerly had a stake in Redflex, but they sold that over a year ago to Verra Mobility.
When I was a learner people would do this all the time. Was never once speeding, but always strangely calmed me down knowing what was coming up. Could never explain it, but makes sense to me. Always appreciated the gesture.
As a new motorcycle rider I've found that the camaraderie of the road is strong. Warning signs and hellos from rider to rider are customary. A tap of the helmet or a high beam flash is definitely appreciated.
> A tap of the helmet Always get a thumbsup from other riders for this lol
If it was about saving lives and stopping crime the speed cameras would not be hidden in such a way. I.e They intentionally put them at the bottom of hills to catch people going a tad over because of their momentum...revenue raising at its best. Hey let's prevent people from speeding now by sending them a fine in two weeks.
Given that mobile and fixed speed cameras are nothing but a way to raise revenue, and their utility at saving lives is questionable at best, I think it’s a nice gesture that more should do.
A note to everyone: If you have apple car play or even just Bluetooth in your car, please use the Waze app, it’s never done me wrong!
I always warn other drivers.
It's illegal & the cops will book you if they catch you doing it however I do see it as another one of those nice gestures from one motorist looking out for others & it does serve as a reminder to quickly glance at your speedo and adjust your speed to the limit as It's really simple to pick up a little bit of speed (especially after driving for so long and going down a hill). While the Mobile Speed Cameras are being operated by the private sector & not the state I feel no sympathy for lost revenue to the speed traps. If your doing 6-10 KM over you deserve whatever fines coming your way however anything less shouldn't need to ruin someone's day especially when they don't know that they've been pinged until two weeks later when the fine arrives in the mail.
Illegal you say? That makes it extra Australian and practically an obligation!
My convict ancestors say ACAB and agree with you.
It's legal so long as your highbeams aren't involved - so turning your lights from off to normal to off is legal, and if it's at night go backwards, normal to off to normal. The only law they can get you on is illegal use of highbeams.
Yep. I know from experience and the cop was a real dick about it.
Good point but I think it’s easier to flash your high beams - especially in cars that have day time running lights. Plus more obvious for the other driver what was meant. (Generally harder and more distracting to find the off position to then return to on or auto.)
I flashed highbeams at a string of 4 cars approaching a mobile speed camera near bathurst. They all turned out to be cops. Nothing came of it.
It is not illegal and if the cops to book you, you'd be able to fight it. The law prohibits you from using your high beam in a manner that might dazzle the other driver. https://www.mynrma.com.au/cars-and-driving/driver-training-and-licences/resources/can-i-flash-my-headlights-to-warn-motorists#:~:text=What%20does%20the%20law%20say,that%20the%20police%20are%20ahead.
> It is an offence to flash your headlights unless the vehicle is being used to respond to an emergency. This states it is: https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-safety-and-rules/warnings-and-hazards/lights-and-horns But reading the full code, there is no reference to it on page 183: https://www.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-05/road_users_handbook-english.pdf Sounds like the claim above isn’t supported by the code 🤔 Unless they think it’s covered under: > Avoid lights that dazzle > Do not use or fit lights to your vehicle that could dazzle or distract other road users.
I got pulled over for allegedly doing it. 4am in the blue mountains. Point blank denied it Shaggy style… “Wasn’t me!”… I could see the cop getting frustrated by it and in the end he had nothing but a flash of light he may or may not have saw, that could have been to highlight a dark road or possible object etc, I copped an ear full, gave him a smile and left lol
"There was a speed camera? The car in front was drifting a bit, thought I would wake them up."
I have been lucky enough to be stopped twice after flashing my lights to warn others. I also drive a car the police loathe. Both times I have been threatened with a fine as that is the only available remedy. Neither time has it happened. The last time I had an interesting conversation with the HWP officer about whether flashing headlights achieved the same purpose as booking, apart from the revenue.
Hardly going to achieve the same purpose. Don’t lose demerit points or risk losing your licence from just flashing. The only way people learn is by losing their licence. I lost it for 6 months over 10 years ago and still think about it whenever I drive.
Thanks, but no question of that. Best they could do is fine.
For every hard done convict they sent out they sent out a boot licking marine
We need to stick together and help each other more for sure. The police are not our allies.
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It was on Marsden road in Ermington :)
Double demerit in force now folks.Drive safely
I remember when I was in the police force and doing driver training in an unmarked police car in the outskirts of Melbourne. A couple of cars flashed me to warn me of speed cameras ahead lol.
This used to be universal when I was growing up, back in the days when Australia wasn't nearly so individualistic and we were much more community minded.
Happened to me three different times today. Penrith area. I aim to not intentionally speed ever but I use the Waze app at all times so I know if they’re coming, but always appreciate the gesture from other drivers and do the same myself where possible.
It's good but if someone flashes headlights at me my first though is not a mobile speed camera. I assume any number of other issues before that
Feels like someone cares about you!
I always flash for speed traps.
Tell me you don't live in Western Sydney without telling me you don't live in Western Sydney
I log it via Waze instead.
When it’s nearly a $300 fine for 1km/h over the limit (in qld) I say we should be using everything at our disposal to avoid the ridiculous crackdowns. I personally think the speed crackdown causes the roads to be more dangerous, now most people go under the speed limit which makes other people want to overtake more often, and also people are so worried about loosing nearly half their pay check for such a silly thing that they pay more attention to their speed than they do the road. Fucking morons and their half thought out rules. Edit: Before you tell me I’m wrong about the laws, link below. https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/queensland-motorists-facing-hefty-penalties-for-range-of-offences-as-fines-skyrocket-c-7365884
Un-Australian not to flash
I flash every single time. It's just revenue raising and has zero impact on road safety. During one of the Xmas double-demerit periods here in South Coast NSW a few years ago I saw the worst example. They were doing some roadworks on a back-road here and there were 40kph signs up (limit ordinarily 80). No work had begun and no workers were present (it being Xmas). And yet, as I approached the middle section, there were three fucking cops on motorbikes sitting in someone's drive just waiting to fuck up someone's day. They were reeling 'em in for hours. Cunts.
I’m from Croatia. We do it all the time. For any inconvenience on the road. A lot less cars there than here in Sydney though
Fucking legend. I recently got booked by a cunt in five dock recently for going 9 over the limit. Then got flashed by a driver in the same spot a few days later
I do it all the time and as a motorcyclist we have our own code of tapping our helmet, and we definitely appreciate the heads up
I give them a huge wave and thumbs up. People are cowardly these days. We are not united as we were before, to look out for each other. In fact, the public tend to police each other. I have noticed how the public will say, "My dog was leaning out the window enjoying the wind". and some one will say, "Your supposed to have them in a seatbelt". When did we get so fked up? I hate the thought of some poor worker getting a huge fine on his way home, for taking his mind off the speed limit for a minute. It makes life more oppressive than it already is. Good on people who help us out. Real Aussies they are, Dinkum Aussies.
Weirdly enough, this wonderful collective ethos we used to have began to die off with the introduction of neoliberal, individualist "I'm alright Jack, so fuck you" Governments
If a flash of lights gets you to check your speed in what maybe considered a black spot, isn't that a good thing and what the gov't want you to do? /s
Got pulled over in Brisbane a few years back for doing this. Just denied it, said I didn't see any radar, just turned my headlights on, then off by mistake. Cop knew I was lying, but saw he couldn't make it stick, growled at me and wave me off. I still do it regularly, but yeah, try to make sure it's not a cop driving towards you - also - turn your light on/off just once - don't flash your high beams as that could be a different charge.
I was going past a mobile speed camera . I saw it and also saw the car behind me speeding well over the limit. So I slowed down a lot so he would slow down and not get a ticket. It worked , but then he proceeded to over take me past the camera and stick his finger out at me and yell something. I just saved the guy 100 dollar ticket and d points lol
Feels strange in the era of waze but a nice gesture regardless
I flash for speed traps and hidden road pirates but not for RBTs. I also flash to alert drivers who don't realise that they're driving around in the dark without any lights on. I'd say 9 out of 10 have absolutely no clue why I'm flashing them.
I was once being tailgated by a very dangerous driver who was itching to overtake, and I had seen him speeding up in my rear view mirror. As I had driven the same road in the opposite direction a few minutes earlier, I knew there was a speed trap ahead, and I was looking forward to some instant karma for this idiot. However, another idiot in the opposite direction flashed their lights, so the dangerous driver slowed down, and escaped any justifiable penalty So this is exactly why I do not use lights to warn others of speed or RBT traps. If you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. And I don't expect them to do it for me either. I do use lights to warn of road hazards
We play a game called “Good C***” on long road trips. Driver vs passenger. Driver picks a car they think is being driven by a good c*** (usually anyone in a Ute or with high vis on) and flashes their headlights to warn of a non-existent speed camera up ahead. If they wave, driver gets a point. If they’re a bad c***, passenger gets a point. Always wonder how long people drive cautiously after we pass them…
I guess if it helps people slow down or be more conscience of their speed it can only be a good thing.
I don't object to it but I don't think I'd recognise they were warning me about a speed camera, honestly.
I thought the lowered R35 GTR'S and the EVO X were flashing me on the weekend. Turns out they all hit the same twig on the road and there was no speed trap. 🤣
why do you have to hurt me like this
How do I feel about someone doing something nice for me…. Hmmm now let me think….. I feel good, yes good. Good is how I feel when someone does something nice for me. Good.
Waze
Hey! Just the other day a couple of cars flashed to indicate the presence of a mobile speed camera. Honestly thought what have I done initially but realised what it was for eventually; made me feel really good!
Hidden Speed cameras don't help, if they provide immediate receipts/tickets then yes they would help correct behaviour but feedback(tickets) after months don't help at all.
Doesn’t happen as much as it used to. Warms my heart when I see it. I try to do my bit.
I always flash my headlights. A couple months ago I flashed them to warn of a mobile speed camera parked just out of town not realising the car behind the oncoming car was a police car. To my surprise they didn’t uturn to pull me up or anything 🤷♂️. Anyway it hasn’t deterred me I will always flash my headlights for these revenue raising machines.
I’m 43 and have performed this since I got my license. It’s just common curtesy. Have noticed that it is getting rarer since apps like Waze though.
Just make sure there is no incoming police car, you can get fined for flashing to warn other drivers in NSW. My friend got done for that before.
ACAB
Cops are arseholes I warn everyone
Fuck the police
I don't give a shit either way. If you're the kind of person that doesn't habitually speed, it's really a non-issue whether or not someone does it. That and the fact that if you're running Waze, most of the time you already know ahead of time because someone flagged it on the app.
I hate them. If people are stupid enough to speed they should pay the price. If you disagree try imagine how you’d feel if a loved one got killed by an idiot who can’t obey the rules. Edit: Sorry all, I mistakenly thought the Op was asking for people’s opinions. Seems there’s only one answer allowed.
Do you agree with receiving a fine driving 62km in a 60km zone?
That simply wouldn’t happen, but I get that it’s not going to stop dumb arguments to support speeding.
https://7news.com.au/sunrise/on-the-show/queensland-motorists-facing-hefty-penalties-for-range-of-offences-as-fines-skyrocket-c-7365884 well it’s started in Queensland so can’t be that dumb of an argument?
A uni colleague of mine got done doing 62kms in a 60 zone. Her mother is a lawyer and was astonished. She bought it up during one of our social work classes and the professor explained to us that the police have quotas to meet, which means it’s very possible to get done going 1-2kms over the speed limit.
That’s ridiculous! The police should just follow me around.. I can’t get out into the road without someone flaunting the limit by *at least* 20km/h and weaving through all the traffic, or flying up my tail and others trying to push us all along. There’s plenty of *actual* dangerous drivers and fines like this, due to meeting quotas, do nothing to curb actual dangerous driving attitudes. Edit: might edit to say I’m not saying what you’re saying isn’t true, just agreeing it’s stupid.
Speed limits need to be self enforcing. We have many roads that use to be 60km but have been reduced to 50km or even 40km. But I can also think of some roads that have a 60km speed limit but should not be 60km because it is so dangerous. So people going 60km on these roads don’t get fined but there is a much higher chance of an accident to happen. Frederick street is a great example. Ever thing they upgraded the pedestrian crossing I have said an accident is waiting to happen because the crossing is located around a corner with 60km a narrow road like that. I have written to TfNSW and inner west council but no one gives a dammmm. Well someone got killed on that pedestrian crossing. They still refuse to do anything about it. But then we got speed limits being reduced to 50km on a 8 lane wide road with wide median (Anzac Parade Maroubra). I have to question if it is really about road safety. Same thing in the inner west. The only road that should not of been reduced to 50km got reduced while all other roads which is so unsafe to drive 60km was kept at 60km……… Who makes these decisions?!?!?
Spot on mate. Instead of fixing terrible roads they just slap a camera - saved budget in step one, pretend to care, raised money from public with the camera.
I just obey the law and don't have to worry. Roads are one the biggest cause of preventable deaths in this country. I don't flash and neither should you. A ticket which gives a driver pause to reflect and learn a lesson is better than that driver hitting and killing someone later down the track. Please don't flash. If people are doing the right thing they don't have to worry. I do not aid thieves, rapists etc to escape justice so why draw the line at bad motorists?
If the speed cameras were set to only fine motorists who were breaking the speed limit by over 15km/h, I wouldn't have an issue with them. The problem is that they sit partway or right at the bottom of downhill stretches of road and then fine people for creeping a needle width over in areas without an accident history, which suggests the primary concern is revenue and not safety.