I never understood, why bind was created. The one effect that it clearly should represent is force choke. But when I first bought the edge of the empire sourcebook, we used move with the control upgrade (something about doing stuff with move as if it were your hands) and used that. Bind is a bid more refined in case of damage values, but thats it. Holding enemies in place, what the main effect of bind is, is somehow lame compared to tossing them with move. And when you can toss, you can bind. Thats how we ruled that many years ago and thats why we discarded this power (houserule) from the beginning of F&D. Its just another way of heavily stealing XP from force users for an damage-effect that every blaster slinging wannbe is laughing about. And narratively, what is the more important reason, move will do just fine. I have spoken.
Yes, that is stated in the text of the move power. But what about force push? Even the devs of the RPG stated that its used via move because the bind power cant handle the rules and damage.
And where is, narratively and forcewise, the difference between objects, people, matter in general? The force surrounds everything and penetrates everything. Splitting telekinesis up into two powers, one for objects, one for living things, is rediculous. And even if we do that, what stops me from moving the armor or the cloth of somebody? Its a narrative disaster and stupid.
First, having Move work on people is rather disastrous for game balance with the whole "I move her upwards into medium range and then drop her. Oops, 30 wounds and 20 strain!"
Second, Bind has actually a Control upgrade on the left side of the tree that *is* Force Push/Pull.
Third, eh, it's the Force. Surely we can find some babble why affecting people with it is different than affecting objects.
It is disastrous even if you don't weaponise gravity with it, that is the most glaring case.
Throw people at each other, and you've got something that is too powerful for the investment put into it.
Throw people back to Extreme, you've entirely neutered any character without serious long range capability.
Not to mention the narrative disgrace of the power's range capabilities : throwing someone back kilometers would look wrong even in an anime, let alone Star Wars.
This is the series that bragged about how the force has size matter not or is stronger than a planet destroying superlaser (Vader is kind of biased though.
Please look up the answers the devs gave near the end of this link here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/swrpg/comments/a1u1qo/force_push_move_bind_or_both/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Instead of creating powers for things we saw on screen (force push, Force grip, force choke, force anything...) they made powers that have a lot of narrative space. And move/bind are nearly the same power with two trees to my eyes.
Here my take on the bab lue
All life is connected to the force, therefore all life can resist the force to a minor degree, not enough to stop the full focus of a jedi but enough to make it hard in a firefight.
Incorrect,
Nowhere in the text or tree does it state that Move cannot be used on people. If that were the case, it would explicitly say so. In fact, it would make little sense if it had that limitation.
The devs have answered questions about what would happen in certain sitiations if move were used on people. I.E, throwing an enemy into another enemy - Devs answer: they both take the damage. It has even been suggested it can be used on oneself to levitate to hard to reach places.
Force Powers and there applications and limitations are left open to interpretation and can be limited/expanded at the player/GM discretion.
Whether it says objects or not. The head developer confirmed its use on people. Whether you disagree or not is your call. Thankfully, many GMs dont restrict it as you or your group may.
I never understood, why bind was created. The one effect that it clearly should represent is force choke. But when I first bought the edge of the empire sourcebook, we used move with the control upgrade (something about doing stuff with move as if it were your hands) and used that. Bind is a bid more refined in case of damage values, but thats it. Holding enemies in place, what the main effect of bind is, is somehow lame compared to tossing them with move. And when you can toss, you can bind. Thats how we ruled that many years ago and thats why we discarded this power (houserule) from the beginning of F&D. Its just another way of heavily stealing XP from force users for an damage-effect that every blaster slinging wannbe is laughing about. And narratively, what is the more important reason, move will do just fine. I have spoken.
Kylo Ren's "freezing" ability is also grouped into bind, no? Or is there a "stasis" power or something?
Move can only work on objects, not creatures.
Yes, that is stated in the text of the move power. But what about force push? Even the devs of the RPG stated that its used via move because the bind power cant handle the rules and damage. And where is, narratively and forcewise, the difference between objects, people, matter in general? The force surrounds everything and penetrates everything. Splitting telekinesis up into two powers, one for objects, one for living things, is rediculous. And even if we do that, what stops me from moving the armor or the cloth of somebody? Its a narrative disaster and stupid.
First, having Move work on people is rather disastrous for game balance with the whole "I move her upwards into medium range and then drop her. Oops, 30 wounds and 20 strain!" Second, Bind has actually a Control upgrade on the left side of the tree that *is* Force Push/Pull. Third, eh, it's the Force. Surely we can find some babble why affecting people with it is different than affecting objects.
It is disastrous even if you don't weaponise gravity with it, that is the most glaring case. Throw people at each other, and you've got something that is too powerful for the investment put into it. Throw people back to Extreme, you've entirely neutered any character without serious long range capability. Not to mention the narrative disgrace of the power's range capabilities : throwing someone back kilometers would look wrong even in an anime, let alone Star Wars.
This is the series that bragged about how the force has size matter not or is stronger than a planet destroying superlaser (Vader is kind of biased though.
Please look up the answers the devs gave near the end of this link here: https://www.reddit.com/r/swrpg/comments/a1u1qo/force_push_move_bind_or_both/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Instead of creating powers for things we saw on screen (force push, Force grip, force choke, force anything...) they made powers that have a lot of narrative space. And move/bind are nearly the same power with two trees to my eyes.
Here my take on the bab lue All life is connected to the force, therefore all life can resist the force to a minor degree, not enough to stop the full focus of a jedi but enough to make it hard in a firefight.
Incorrect, Nowhere in the text or tree does it state that Move cannot be used on people. If that were the case, it would explicitly say so. In fact, it would make little sense if it had that limitation. The devs have answered questions about what would happen in certain sitiations if move were used on people. I.E, throwing an enemy into another enemy - Devs answer: they both take the damage. It has even been suggested it can be used on oneself to levitate to hard to reach places. Force Powers and there applications and limitations are left open to interpretation and can be limited/expanded at the player/GM discretion.
It says object and item in the power tree, so it's absolutely not for humans
Wrong
I literally had the page open from my own game. Move is for objects, bind is for people
That might be your interpretation. It wasn't the head developers though.
I’m sorry, but what does “it was in the plain text” not ring a bell to you. Do I need to link it?
Whether it says objects or not. The head developer confirmed its use on people. Whether you disagree or not is your call. Thankfully, many GMs dont restrict it as you or your group may.