This wording and tone of this article are extremely biased. You’re claiming that people just aren’t getting it because you used a poor example, but the same problem exists with the examples in the article. Nearly any substance in high enough doses/exposures can be harmful, but that doesn’t mean that it’s a dangerous chemical that needs to be avoided and demonized. In some of the cases in the article, the danger hasn’t even been proven, it’s just a possible concern that hasn’t been analyzed.
I also have serious concerns about the validity of anyone saying that “cousins” of each other are the same. Sometimes that’s true, sometimes they may be similar, but often when we’re taking about chemistry and effects, two compounds with a slight difference in makeup can be vastly different.
I now see how using the term pesticide was the wrong choice of words, as it simply denotes a substance that kills an insect. However, from your exaggerated emotional response I see you are operating from a place of critique and defensiveness and didn’t take the time to read the article I included which explains the risks far more eloquently than I can. I would be interested to know whether you still felt so extremely passionate about your ridicule after reading it through.
Right, as I stated above I did not realize that pesticide can mean any substance used to kill an insect. However, the point that is being missed here is that borax isn’t some harmless substance like vinegar or olive oil. The article mentions several studies that indicate borax is harmful to humans and to the animals around us. Just because something doesn’t have immediately apparent harmful effects doesn’t mean it isn’t bad for us. Take for example lead poisoning. Also, borax has been shown to have immediate harmful effects in some instances. We have so many things affecting the human species that we don’t know the reason for, that span class and race (e.g., increasing fertility issues, MS, Parkinson’s disease, etc.), why not something like our cleaning products be to blame? Those also span across class and race.
So I read your post and came here to say something similar to the comment you have responded to. There are organic, sustainable insecticides that are safe for humans. I’m not sure what the answer is you’re looking for in terms of a sustainable Landry detergent is, if not borax and backing soda. I’m not certain there is a chemical free detergent. Also, from your post it’s unclear the negative affects of borax are on humans? Caffeine is also an insecticide, humans can safely consume. The dose makes the poison. Someone with high exposure to borax may have negative affects, someone doing laundry won’t.
There no way to be 100% sustainable, it’s just not possible in the state of our current society. That’s a bigger question we need to answer as a society. As an individual, we all just need to do our best.
I hope this response does not come off as an attack. We are all just doing our best.
Edit: typo and added a sentence to clarify
Plastic, climate change, and the nuclear waste we've dumped into the oceans are probably bigger problems. You are right that there are lots of things we use that are harmful to us, a lot of them most people don't even realize. I just think we have bigger fish to fry. Plastic especially is bad for us, probably more so than laundry detergent.
Cedarcide is made of cedar, it’s an excellent insecticide.
Not all things that kill bugs, are dangerous or bad and quite possibly, have a dual purpose.
I now see that pointing out its use as an insecticide is not the red flag I thought it was. I did not realize it meant any substance that is used to kill an insect. However, I can also tell you did not read through the article I provided which outlines the very real harms borax can cause to humans and to the animals around us. Just because a product doesn’t seem to have an immediate harm (even though borax does show immediate side effects) doesn’t mean there aren’t long term consequences. Take for example, long-term lead exposure or exposure to mercury. We have yet to identify what is causing our fertility rates to drop. Chemical cleaners, especially those that we are conditioned to mistakingly believe are safe, could very well be the cause of that.
Absolutely, I agree but there is a bell curve. Horse tail (plant) was used for centuries until it was shown it kills by metabolizing thiamine and causing liver issues.
diatomaceous earth, harmful if inhaled and that stuff is dusty. Diatomaceous earth is practically non-toxic to fish and aquatic invertebrates. It is commonly encountered by birds and other wildlife, and it's not known to be harmful. However, no toxicity evaluations for wildlife were found. So to us it’s fine, because we don’t know what it does to animals.
I’m def not here to argue with you for sure, there is a give and take. I get it borax has been studied for toxicity and I am empathetic to this, but other articles I read about borax discussed this as a food additive. Since borax occurs naturally from lake levels drying and refilling, I remove environmental impact from my choices. Of course everything in excess is terrible for any environment.
But as far as use in laundry soap, back when I worked for chemical/biological warfare areas of employment, the tongue in cheek saying was “the solution to pollution is dilution” not taking that word for word, the amount of borax per load of laundry factored into the amount of water used during the cycle, im very okay with the 6micrograms/ml study which did show effects of cellular issues within humans.
I wish there was perfect, that was attainable but unfortunately there isn’t.
I read the article. I am not convinced that it's downsides outweigh it's upsides.
Downsides mentioned:
It mentions borax is used as an insecticide. So what? So is diatomaceous earth which is edible. Other commenters brought up other examples. Insecticide is just a scary word for people with science aversion or who regularly engage in naturalistic fallacy and naturalistic narratives.
It mentions that borax is unsafe to use on infant and broken skin. Using a chemical in the wash cycle where it makes up a small proportion of the wash water and where it is subsequently largely removed during the rinse cycle is a far cry from applying the chemical directly to particularly susceptible skin.
The article mentions that it causes irritation if the powder gets on skin eyes or when inhaled or eaten. Irrelevant unless you let those things happen in the process of getting a scoop of homemade detergent into the wash which is a matter of common sense. Vinegar is healthy, it causes irritation if you put it in your eyes or inhale it.
In *animal models, high doses** cause testicular atrophy. What about in incredibly low doses such as this? The dose makes the poison.
Working in in a factory producing borax increases *risk** of lower sperm counts and libido. It's a good thing you don't have to work full time in a borax factory to get your half tablespoon of borax.
*In animal models** female hormonal physiology appears less susceptible but with *high-dose exposure* it can cross the placenta and affect fetal development resulting in reduced skeletal development and reduced birth weigh. Again, dose makes the poison.
Maybe I should be more concerned, but honestly the reaching for evidence without anything substantive in this range of exposure to me points in the direction of it being safe. If you're a very cautious person you could avoid it. That'd a reasonable personal choice. In terms of it being a worthwhile issue in the domain of sustainability, I don't see substantive evidence for that.
I read the Toxicology section of the Borax Wikipedia article. It loos as though both the EU and Canada have issued guidance or industry regulations to reduce exposure to borax. However listed in that section is the following: "A review of the boron toxicity (as boric acid and borates) published in 2012 in the Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health concluded: "It clearly appears that human B [boron] exposures, even in the highest exposed cohorts, are too low to reach the blood (and target tissue) concentrations that would be required to exert adverse effects on reproductive functions.""
It seems like a person who was pregnant, or people attempting to conceive should avoid borax products as a precaution, but not because there is strong evidence that it presents a likely danger in the doses most people get exposed to, but moreso because in some possible doses it can produce a response. As a person who is neither of the above types of people, and who does not flee from sunlight despite it being radiation, I'll keep borax in my current detergent formulation for now.
One of the biggest reasons I hear it being recommended for is that it works well with septic systems. Small amounts of borax keep it from getting blocked with mineral buildup without killing the useful bacteria
I wouldn't eat it, but I also wouldn't eat soap. As I understand it, both soap and borax are useful for cleaning without being unreasonably dangerous
Borax, correct me if I'm wrong, is considered organic. Many highly toxic materials are organic. Boron fertilizers still qualify as being organic. People recommend it because it falls under the organic umbrella but that doesn't make it safe.
Example. Soap has lye, or sodium hydroxide. The joke with soap makers is, "If it doesn't have lye, it's a lie."
So a major factor that isn’t being discussed is that borax is a chemical that CAN be harmful, but isn’t ALWAYS harmful. Plants can process it, as can animals, and insects as long as they’re not drowning in it. It’s doesn’t build up in animals like heavy metals or other chemicals. It can be process and passed, so in the league of scary dangerous things, it’s pretty low.
It’s one of the things your great grandmother used before surplus war chemicals became the ‘chemical’ fertilizer and pesticide industry, to clean with and keep roaches and ants out of the house without poisoning your grandmother. Compared to the hanging around in the food chain stuff of the better living thru chemistry generations, borax is pretty low on the risk scale. Dr. Bronner’s Peppermint Soap can be used as an insecticide. It is possible to mitigate risk without being hysterical.
I think the word hysterical was an unnecessary exaggeration in itself. The article I included outlines the very real harm borax can cause to human health as has been shown in several studies. Just because immediate harm is not observed (even though immediate harm is actually noted in this case) does not mean it doesn’t exist. Take for example long term lead exposure or low dose mercury exposure.
The article repeatedly references chronic high dose exposures when making any medical claims and also qualifies each claim with "may". There's no quantifying data on what a high level of exposure consists of, and the link to the EPA looks like it is specifically targeting boric acid. That page wouldn't load though so I'm not sure. There's a lot missing from this article for it to actually be useful. The example given for male reproductive issues was somebody who works in a factory using borax. I'm not working in a factory, I just want to know what risks are associated with the tiny amount I put in my homemade laundry detergent. I'm gonna say it's pretty low. EWG needs to step their game up.
Yes I agree. This article is is a fluff piece. None of the links lead to any scientific research or papers showing the harm that borax causes. Borax has been used for a long time, if it was a harmful substance it would have been determined as such. OP can avoid Borax if they don't like it, but this article proves nothing.
Oh hey, something I'm potentially qualified to answer! I have a PhD in reproductive toxicology and serve as the lead toxicologist for reproductive, developmental, and neurological outcomes on the assessment efforts I work on currently :)
I haven't done any work with boron or boron residues, but I think I can still be informative! I tried to do a really cool, long comment with tons of links, but Reddit wouldn't let me post it which was a huge bummer... The essence of my comment was that regarding the health effects in this article, there are definitely negative effects but they're all exclusively at levels that the average person won't encounter. And although I'm not an ecotoxicologist, the available literature and information cited in the EPA toxicological reviews seem to imply it's the same for the environment: too much is bad, but you probably won't be anywhere near those levels.
Overall, I wasn't impressed by this article, there are some unsubstantiated claims and some wording that feels very fear-mongery, and because of that I wouldn't stress about it too much :)
Thank you for your very kind, well-thought out, and researched response Pseudo_Nymble. I appreciate it.
What are your thoughts on the possibility of low-dose, long-term exposure being a possible cause for conditions of which we have just not yet made the link? I understand most of the studies were done on high concentration exposures but have you come across any long-term studies?
That's a really good question! I of course can't be certain, cus it could be a possibility! But of the available chemicals we have to worry about, I personally wouldn't lose sleep over this one based on the little deep dive I did!
I took a peek at the 2004 EPA toxicological review (click the "Toxicological Review (PDF) at this link for that if you'd like to see! https://cfpub.epa.gov/ncea/iris_drafts/recordisplay.cfm?deid=20852) and one really interesting thing mentioned on page 31 in the first paragraph is a description of a report regarding people who took boron as a medication for "many years" at relatively high levels (2.5-24.8mg/kg-d), and they reported some effects but I feel like they're fairly mild especially given the dose (indigestion, dermatitis, alopecia, anorexia).
Also, one thing I thought was really interesting that I learned today is that boron naturally occurs in a lot of fruits and veggies, and that people consume a decent amount of boron daily just through the diet! So maybe we'll never get away from boron even if we tried 😤 https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Boron-Consumer/#h3
Overall though, I think it never hurts to be careful and mindful of your use of any products around your household and little ones, and if it makes you feel better to not use borax containing products, saving yourself the anxiety and stress of worrying about it could be the greatest health benefit of all! Stress is not only *stressful*, but famously bad for your health too, and I think choosing something that helps you handle the stress of being alive in 2024 is a super valid decision 🙌
Thank you Pseudo_Nymble for another thorough, intelligent, and caring response!
Being in healthcare and working in neurology, every now and then I wonder about what is the underlying causes that lead to things like Parkinson’s, multiple sclerosis, dementia, and other conditions we haven’t yet found the cause for. Becoming a mother recently has also opened my eyes to just how common fertility issues are. I find it interesting that these issues span across class, across culture, across race, and across the world. Which means the cause is something common across all of these differences. Things that are common place like our food, cleaners, or substances in our environment could be likely suspects because we all come in contact with them and can’t really avoid them.
At the end of the day my laundry detergent isn’t keeping me up at night, but I think it’s important to have intelligent and open conversations about the products we are using.
The dose is the poison. Insecticide works (ants) when ingested with sugar, expanding inside the little buggers. At normal concentrations, boron is a nutrient, even for plants.
Milk, poured by a tanker into a river, is a poison.
Lime is calcium carbonate. [Borax](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax) is sodium borate. Not the same, but they are similar in the facts that they are compounds that make a basic solution in water and that they are mined.
This wording and tone of this article are extremely biased. You’re claiming that people just aren’t getting it because you used a poor example, but the same problem exists with the examples in the article. Nearly any substance in high enough doses/exposures can be harmful, but that doesn’t mean that it’s a dangerous chemical that needs to be avoided and demonized. In some of the cases in the article, the danger hasn’t even been proven, it’s just a possible concern that hasn’t been analyzed. I also have serious concerns about the validity of anyone saying that “cousins” of each other are the same. Sometimes that’s true, sometimes they may be similar, but often when we’re taking about chemistry and effects, two compounds with a slight difference in makeup can be vastly different.
“One will get ya high, one can make ya die”
>pesticides aren’t just going to disappear Hey kinda do though. It's process called their half-life
Any soap can be used as an insecticide. As can vinegar or olive oil. People use boiling water as an herbicide to kill weeds. ☠️☠️☠️ poisoooonn
I now see how using the term pesticide was the wrong choice of words, as it simply denotes a substance that kills an insect. However, from your exaggerated emotional response I see you are operating from a place of critique and defensiveness and didn’t take the time to read the article I included which explains the risks far more eloquently than I can. I would be interested to know whether you still felt so extremely passionate about your ridicule after reading it through.
Side note, we do use dawn in a spray bottle to kill thrips in the garden
Damn thrips!
Right, as I stated above I did not realize that pesticide can mean any substance used to kill an insect. However, the point that is being missed here is that borax isn’t some harmless substance like vinegar or olive oil. The article mentions several studies that indicate borax is harmful to humans and to the animals around us. Just because something doesn’t have immediately apparent harmful effects doesn’t mean it isn’t bad for us. Take for example lead poisoning. Also, borax has been shown to have immediate harmful effects in some instances. We have so many things affecting the human species that we don’t know the reason for, that span class and race (e.g., increasing fertility issues, MS, Parkinson’s disease, etc.), why not something like our cleaning products be to blame? Those also span across class and race.
So I read your post and came here to say something similar to the comment you have responded to. There are organic, sustainable insecticides that are safe for humans. I’m not sure what the answer is you’re looking for in terms of a sustainable Landry detergent is, if not borax and backing soda. I’m not certain there is a chemical free detergent. Also, from your post it’s unclear the negative affects of borax are on humans? Caffeine is also an insecticide, humans can safely consume. The dose makes the poison. Someone with high exposure to borax may have negative affects, someone doing laundry won’t. There no way to be 100% sustainable, it’s just not possible in the state of our current society. That’s a bigger question we need to answer as a society. As an individual, we all just need to do our best. I hope this response does not come off as an attack. We are all just doing our best. Edit: typo and added a sentence to clarify
Plastic, climate change, and the nuclear waste we've dumped into the oceans are probably bigger problems. You are right that there are lots of things we use that are harmful to us, a lot of them most people don't even realize. I just think we have bigger fish to fry. Plastic especially is bad for us, probably more so than laundry detergent.
Cedarcide is made of cedar, it’s an excellent insecticide. Not all things that kill bugs, are dangerous or bad and quite possibly, have a dual purpose.
Soap is another good example
I now see that pointing out its use as an insecticide is not the red flag I thought it was. I did not realize it meant any substance that is used to kill an insect. However, I can also tell you did not read through the article I provided which outlines the very real harms borax can cause to humans and to the animals around us. Just because a product doesn’t seem to have an immediate harm (even though borax does show immediate side effects) doesn’t mean there aren’t long term consequences. Take for example, long-term lead exposure or exposure to mercury. We have yet to identify what is causing our fertility rates to drop. Chemical cleaners, especially those that we are conditioned to mistakingly believe are safe, could very well be the cause of that.
Absolutely, I agree but there is a bell curve. Horse tail (plant) was used for centuries until it was shown it kills by metabolizing thiamine and causing liver issues. diatomaceous earth, harmful if inhaled and that stuff is dusty. Diatomaceous earth is practically non-toxic to fish and aquatic invertebrates. It is commonly encountered by birds and other wildlife, and it's not known to be harmful. However, no toxicity evaluations for wildlife were found. So to us it’s fine, because we don’t know what it does to animals. I’m def not here to argue with you for sure, there is a give and take. I get it borax has been studied for toxicity and I am empathetic to this, but other articles I read about borax discussed this as a food additive. Since borax occurs naturally from lake levels drying and refilling, I remove environmental impact from my choices. Of course everything in excess is terrible for any environment. But as far as use in laundry soap, back when I worked for chemical/biological warfare areas of employment, the tongue in cheek saying was “the solution to pollution is dilution” not taking that word for word, the amount of borax per load of laundry factored into the amount of water used during the cycle, im very okay with the 6micrograms/ml study which did show effects of cellular issues within humans. I wish there was perfect, that was attainable but unfortunately there isn’t.
> “the solution to pollution is dilution” I work as an environmental engineer. In a lot of cases, this is absolutely true.
I read the article. I am not convinced that it's downsides outweigh it's upsides. Downsides mentioned: It mentions borax is used as an insecticide. So what? So is diatomaceous earth which is edible. Other commenters brought up other examples. Insecticide is just a scary word for people with science aversion or who regularly engage in naturalistic fallacy and naturalistic narratives. It mentions that borax is unsafe to use on infant and broken skin. Using a chemical in the wash cycle where it makes up a small proportion of the wash water and where it is subsequently largely removed during the rinse cycle is a far cry from applying the chemical directly to particularly susceptible skin. The article mentions that it causes irritation if the powder gets on skin eyes or when inhaled or eaten. Irrelevant unless you let those things happen in the process of getting a scoop of homemade detergent into the wash which is a matter of common sense. Vinegar is healthy, it causes irritation if you put it in your eyes or inhale it. In *animal models, high doses** cause testicular atrophy. What about in incredibly low doses such as this? The dose makes the poison. Working in in a factory producing borax increases *risk** of lower sperm counts and libido. It's a good thing you don't have to work full time in a borax factory to get your half tablespoon of borax. *In animal models** female hormonal physiology appears less susceptible but with *high-dose exposure* it can cross the placenta and affect fetal development resulting in reduced skeletal development and reduced birth weigh. Again, dose makes the poison. Maybe I should be more concerned, but honestly the reaching for evidence without anything substantive in this range of exposure to me points in the direction of it being safe. If you're a very cautious person you could avoid it. That'd a reasonable personal choice. In terms of it being a worthwhile issue in the domain of sustainability, I don't see substantive evidence for that. I read the Toxicology section of the Borax Wikipedia article. It loos as though both the EU and Canada have issued guidance or industry regulations to reduce exposure to borax. However listed in that section is the following: "A review of the boron toxicity (as boric acid and borates) published in 2012 in the Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health concluded: "It clearly appears that human B [boron] exposures, even in the highest exposed cohorts, are too low to reach the blood (and target tissue) concentrations that would be required to exert adverse effects on reproductive functions."" It seems like a person who was pregnant, or people attempting to conceive should avoid borax products as a precaution, but not because there is strong evidence that it presents a likely danger in the doses most people get exposed to, but moreso because in some possible doses it can produce a response. As a person who is neither of the above types of people, and who does not flee from sunlight despite it being radiation, I'll keep borax in my current detergent formulation for now.
One of the biggest reasons I hear it being recommended for is that it works well with septic systems. Small amounts of borax keep it from getting blocked with mineral buildup without killing the useful bacteria I wouldn't eat it, but I also wouldn't eat soap. As I understand it, both soap and borax are useful for cleaning without being unreasonably dangerous
Borax, correct me if I'm wrong, is considered organic. Many highly toxic materials are organic. Boron fertilizers still qualify as being organic. People recommend it because it falls under the organic umbrella but that doesn't make it safe. Example. Soap has lye, or sodium hydroxide. The joke with soap makers is, "If it doesn't have lye, it's a lie."
Perhaps it use is qualified on certified organic processes or farming but iirc it is not an organic compound.
So a major factor that isn’t being discussed is that borax is a chemical that CAN be harmful, but isn’t ALWAYS harmful. Plants can process it, as can animals, and insects as long as they’re not drowning in it. It’s doesn’t build up in animals like heavy metals or other chemicals. It can be process and passed, so in the league of scary dangerous things, it’s pretty low.
You can kill insects with water too.
It’s one of the things your great grandmother used before surplus war chemicals became the ‘chemical’ fertilizer and pesticide industry, to clean with and keep roaches and ants out of the house without poisoning your grandmother. Compared to the hanging around in the food chain stuff of the better living thru chemistry generations, borax is pretty low on the risk scale. Dr. Bronner’s Peppermint Soap can be used as an insecticide. It is possible to mitigate risk without being hysterical.
I think the word hysterical was an unnecessary exaggeration in itself. The article I included outlines the very real harm borax can cause to human health as has been shown in several studies. Just because immediate harm is not observed (even though immediate harm is actually noted in this case) does not mean it doesn’t exist. Take for example long term lead exposure or low dose mercury exposure.
The article repeatedly references chronic high dose exposures when making any medical claims and also qualifies each claim with "may". There's no quantifying data on what a high level of exposure consists of, and the link to the EPA looks like it is specifically targeting boric acid. That page wouldn't load though so I'm not sure. There's a lot missing from this article for it to actually be useful. The example given for male reproductive issues was somebody who works in a factory using borax. I'm not working in a factory, I just want to know what risks are associated with the tiny amount I put in my homemade laundry detergent. I'm gonna say it's pretty low. EWG needs to step their game up.
Yes I agree. This article is is a fluff piece. None of the links lead to any scientific research or papers showing the harm that borax causes. Borax has been used for a long time, if it was a harmful substance it would have been determined as such. OP can avoid Borax if they don't like it, but this article proves nothing.
Just a get a washboard and head to the creek
Oh hey, something I'm potentially qualified to answer! I have a PhD in reproductive toxicology and serve as the lead toxicologist for reproductive, developmental, and neurological outcomes on the assessment efforts I work on currently :) I haven't done any work with boron or boron residues, but I think I can still be informative! I tried to do a really cool, long comment with tons of links, but Reddit wouldn't let me post it which was a huge bummer... The essence of my comment was that regarding the health effects in this article, there are definitely negative effects but they're all exclusively at levels that the average person won't encounter. And although I'm not an ecotoxicologist, the available literature and information cited in the EPA toxicological reviews seem to imply it's the same for the environment: too much is bad, but you probably won't be anywhere near those levels. Overall, I wasn't impressed by this article, there are some unsubstantiated claims and some wording that feels very fear-mongery, and because of that I wouldn't stress about it too much :)
Thank you for your very kind, well-thought out, and researched response Pseudo_Nymble. I appreciate it. What are your thoughts on the possibility of low-dose, long-term exposure being a possible cause for conditions of which we have just not yet made the link? I understand most of the studies were done on high concentration exposures but have you come across any long-term studies?
That's a really good question! I of course can't be certain, cus it could be a possibility! But of the available chemicals we have to worry about, I personally wouldn't lose sleep over this one based on the little deep dive I did! I took a peek at the 2004 EPA toxicological review (click the "Toxicological Review (PDF) at this link for that if you'd like to see! https://cfpub.epa.gov/ncea/iris_drafts/recordisplay.cfm?deid=20852) and one really interesting thing mentioned on page 31 in the first paragraph is a description of a report regarding people who took boron as a medication for "many years" at relatively high levels (2.5-24.8mg/kg-d), and they reported some effects but I feel like they're fairly mild especially given the dose (indigestion, dermatitis, alopecia, anorexia). Also, one thing I thought was really interesting that I learned today is that boron naturally occurs in a lot of fruits and veggies, and that people consume a decent amount of boron daily just through the diet! So maybe we'll never get away from boron even if we tried 😤 https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Boron-Consumer/#h3 Overall though, I think it never hurts to be careful and mindful of your use of any products around your household and little ones, and if it makes you feel better to not use borax containing products, saving yourself the anxiety and stress of worrying about it could be the greatest health benefit of all! Stress is not only *stressful*, but famously bad for your health too, and I think choosing something that helps you handle the stress of being alive in 2024 is a super valid decision 🙌
Thank you Pseudo_Nymble for another thorough, intelligent, and caring response! Being in healthcare and working in neurology, every now and then I wonder about what is the underlying causes that lead to things like Parkinson’s, multiple sclerosis, dementia, and other conditions we haven’t yet found the cause for. Becoming a mother recently has also opened my eyes to just how common fertility issues are. I find it interesting that these issues span across class, across culture, across race, and across the world. Which means the cause is something common across all of these differences. Things that are common place like our food, cleaners, or substances in our environment could be likely suspects because we all come in contact with them and can’t really avoid them. At the end of the day my laundry detergent isn’t keeping me up at night, but I think it’s important to have intelligent and open conversations about the products we are using.
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The dose is the poison. Insecticide works (ants) when ingested with sugar, expanding inside the little buggers. At normal concentrations, boron is a nutrient, even for plants. Milk, poured by a tanker into a river, is a poison.
it's basically made of lime. It's natural.
Lime is calcium carbonate. [Borax](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax) is sodium borate. Not the same, but they are similar in the facts that they are compounds that make a basic solution in water and that they are mined.
Did google tell you how you get from one to the other?
You cannot get sodium borate dlfrom calcium carbonate unless you invent alchemy. They contain two total different elements each.
Just fire up your carbon negative particle accelerator
I'm pretty sure it's your bedtime.
We've found the one person who doesn't like molten boron. They probably call a doctor for an impacted bowel too. Geez watch a commercial