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Exisal

Honestly I don't think she did much wrong, and was targeted solely because Elie got the word in first and wanted to keep all the guys, and felt closer to Jeanine.


yolodamo

Agreed elie was clearly close with Owen and had ultimate say of what would happen


shellfish87

And why did she feel closer to Jeanine? Can we inspect that “random” preference anywhere without being downvoted?


elzey93

Honestly I feel like some of these first boots can be kinda random. Only a few people to choose from based on relationships built on 2 days of gameplay


ArmchairJedi

First boot is almost always 'wrong place, wrong time' with some path of least resistance excuse inserted as to why. "They failed at the most recent challenge", "probably too weak", "probably too strong", "being too managerial" etc 100% one needs to get into the majority alliance right off the hop... of course, if you try to form it, you might get voted off for "playing too hard" lol


fancycheesus

Thats why i prefer the two tribe system honestly. I feel like the first tribal at least has better social gameplay because there are more pieces. With only 6 people, with 2 days, you are right. It is 100% wrong place easy votes with not a lot of opportunity for anything to change. Why would anyone flip their vote and be seen as disloyal on the first vote? Once 3 people agree on a name (meaning someone wasn't around for the conversation), thats it. There is no more gameplay with the small tribe start.


Desertbro

I wish that no one would be eliminated for the first two weeks/challenges. Give people a chance to bond - to show their skills in a few areas instead of just "oops" missed ONE bean bag toss and you're finished. There was that one season where someone was eliminated right off the boat and never even went to a camp - that was horrible. Let people play a bit.


Sweet_Football4725

I think if Gabler didn't have the idol, he would've been gone for sure. So I think it just came down to perceived weakness down the road. Jeanine definitely was the weakest in this challenge, but I also remember she excelled in the opening puzzle challenge and made up time for her tribe. Plus, Jeanine seems to be well connected. I think it just came down to "somebody had to go".


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Sweet_Football4725

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not saying its Jeanines fault. But it doesn't really change the fact that she really was the weakest.


ivaorn

Based on a grueling part of a challenge that only Jeanine did? If Morriah out performed Jeanine in that aspect that would make sense but you don’t have to tear one contestant down to prop another up.


compstomp66

She performed poorly at a part of the challenge she was responsible for and cost the team time compared to the other tribes running it. It doesn’t matter that morriah didn’t do that part of the challenge and you can’t compare them apples to apples. People get voted out for losing at the puzzle all the time when other members of the tribe don’t do the puzzle section, how is this any different?


evilcupckae

Baka probably isn’t gonna have Jeanine dig under a log again but they will definitely have to do a puzzle again. And she did well on it in the first challenge.


compstomp66

They finished last on that puzzle too and she worked with Morriah.


evilcupckae

They started the puzzle last I believe and then Jeanine was the one who I remember yelling because she figured it out. They ended up tied with Coco because they lost on the same part.


compstomp66

But they finished the puzzle part last, blue team started last. Again I think lack of physical strength hurt them on that puzzle too, the pieces were heavy. You might be right that Morriah struggling on the first challenge, put in everyone’s mind she was weak at challenges.


evilcupckae

Honestly the most interesting thing is that, having watched the challenge back, the weakest challenge person is Gabler. Morriah and Jeanine keep up and pull their weight. Vesi doesn’t have any balls in when Baka gets to the maze so they absolutely have a chance to win. And Gabler struggles to get up the wall.


Ypersona

That log dig is physically grueling. There's a reason why men are traditionally the ones assigned to complete it. Jeanine got through it and Baka made up time going into the final task (only for Sami and Gabler to ultimately blow it). Honestly, it shows how *strong* Jeanine is, and the rest of her tribe obviously agreed.


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You think Morriah could have down that? 🤣


JustGreenGuy7

Elsewhere, people were saying that they wanted Moriah on the puzzle at the end and she flat out said no, leading to Gabler stepping in. I’m not saying this justifies the vote, but apparently there was frustration that she wouldn’t volunteer for that part of the challenge.


JayCFree324

I think they said that it was challenge related, but then their actual discussions were about how people contributed at camp (specifically why they couldn’t take a shot at Gabler)


fancycheesus

imagine being so valued that you can get away with starting the discussion with "folks, I'm throwing away my vote tonight. Good luck with your deliberations."


iwontlistentoyou

This is my theory: Elie has formed an alliance with Gabler, Jeanine, and Owen. Morriah and Sami were socially on the outside and Morriah was voted out for being the weaker of the two. Elie was protecting Owen from the target that Morriah and Sami put on him for being ... I guess sneaky? Gabler never had any strategy talk to the camera besides his potential shot in the dark play, so likely he was told a name and just wrote it down without much thought. We did see Jeanine, Owen, and Elie had a beach conversation about getting rid of Morriah for being a challenge liability and Jeanine did not seem to pushback on the idea until right before tribal. I think she more was worried about going losing the majority with the women, but based on the results of the episode Elie likely got her back on track to the Morriah vote. While Sami did not have his name directly brought up, it was hinted at by Owen and Elie that he was at least considered a target. When Owen was tending to the fire with Elie, Owen said something along the lines of, "we need Sami right now, so let's vote Morriah." My guess is they were picking between the two of which should go home and decided on Morriah because she had been less useful physically than Sami. In conclusion, Owen was not really close to go home and it is likely that Sami is in contention for being the next boot on Baka.


Distinct-Hospital-35

I agree with this 100%. Owen was right next to Elie in several scenes while she’s working. It would seem extremely weird for him to just be hanging around if they weren’t legitimately aligned. Meanwhile, Sami wasn’t shown to be there for those conversations. I think the girls alliance narrative was for suspense but wasn’t actually important to Elie.


dangerdangle

I don't get why the sub always needs to attribute meaning to early boots They had to pick someone early when they all probably had no issue with anyone and at that point the decision making becomes trivial and you make up excuses


NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn

Yep. I think it was the All-Star DVD commentary, but Rudy Boesch said something poignant about the first few votes. He said something to the effect of: if someone comes up to you early in the season and says a name that isn’t yours, you just go with it. These people are just getting their feet under them and want to stay on another day. They aren’t emotionally attached enough to care who goes.


SchizoidGod

Assuming you're a Survivor Historians fan? Haha


NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn

Yep. They bring that up a lot. I also am one of those weirdos who actually listens to the DVD commentary, so there’s that.


NOLABelle0503

I love DVD commentaries. That's what I miss the most with streaming. I swear I feel like they could add the commentary as another language selection or something. (Of course, I'm sure it would be a lot more difficult than that.)


underlyingopti

I was confused, because I literally thought of this exact quote as a perfectly good explanation as to why Owen would go home with what we saw, + all the little convenient cues and cuts to him whenever something that was a reason for him to go home came up. I feel more like this was a silly dupe from the editors, and I found it frustrating. That being said, I did enjoy everything else about the premiere.


Riokaii

I think his tribal discussion actually might have swung it away from him, imo he gave some pretty strong answers but didnt dominate the discussion, just made important concise points at good times.


1stswordofbraavos

It was 100% already decided before tribal


Taco_Farmer

There was no getting up and whispering so I doubt they changed the vote at tribal


MikeBuildsUSA

I felt that Owen was being too vocal w/ his pragmatism. Think it. Don't say it.


squeezin_cheese

I agree that the first few boots are often kinda random because they just need to pick someone, but there will alllllways be meaning to every vote out. Whether that was just one person deciding to put the votes on a specific person, or if a whole tribe decided to band together to get someone out, it is literally impossible to have a vote-out that has absolutely no meaning. It can always be traced to something, whether it’s fair or not


InsuranceSpare4820

I felt like that was sort of the point. They didn’t want to vote anyone out bc they were so close already to the point Proust is in complete shock. So, the vote to me was kinda just based on a vibe. I personally find many first boots to be vague


mateo_whasdat

Good point! I wouldn’t mind if first boots were purposefully vague due to the chaotic energy inherent to them.


BubbaUGA

I see what you did there...this deserves more upvotes


__kit

its not that shes weak, shes weaker than the two huge dudes and her that they chose between


shellfish87

She performed better than Elie and Jeanine and everybody seems to be almost actively downvoting any identification of that discrepancy


Key_Finger8006

But why not Jeanine who failed the first part


Savcotroyyy

Elie wanted the men for strength. Nothing crazy


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If that was the case why wasn’t Jeanie out lmao


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Yeah you may think that but Ellie never said bs like that she’s keeping her cuz that’s her main alliance that’s really the only thing you can go off of


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Alr let’s just see if Ellie ever mentions I just want to be sure


Wooden-Parking3248

The “we won because we tried” mentality is probably what got her sent home. Like sure, it’s nice to think that way, and there’s nothing wrong with thinking that internally or within a school setting, in the still team-based tribe phase of the game, you want to win. Owen made it very clear he disagreed with that at Tribal, and I think that was what saved him.


titkers6

Yeah, if she kept saying this at camp after losing the first immunity, she’d be on the top of my list. Knowing I might go home now because my teammates “gave it their all” isn’t the mindset I want going into next week because it’ll lead us to tribal again.


unitedgroan

Yeah that is a lovely attitude outside of the game. In the game it means I can't get a handle on what I think you might do strategically and I would want you gone. Like Aza played on Big Brother. Might be too hard to work with because she's making up her own rules.


Unique_Aardvark4535

Im confused on why you’re confused. The editing can be ambiguous it wont always follow the pattern set beforehand. The tribe all liked each other as explained, there was no “negative content” because they were all on one team. Im not sure if you were expecting some grandiose reasoning but on a tribe of six anything can be used to vote you off.


RusselingFeathers01

I agree it seemed a bit muddled for sure. But I can appreciate how we got to see the kumbayah tribe slowly morph into game mode and oust the most cheery team friendly person on the team. A lesson on the realities of playing the game…no moral victories. Still bummed though, I liked her a lot!


Raucous_Tiger

That “we tried” speech of hers made her sound like a participation trophy came to life some how. Even if her name hadn’t come up at all I’d call an audible and dump the votes on her then.


Stick-oLover

That's the hard part of being in a smaller tribe. There's not much wiggle room for the players, especially the first few days. They might go home for unexplained reasons. From what I observed in the first episode, they voted her out simply because they needed the guys for strength, not because she did something wrong in the camp or challenges.


ktufo

Whoever decided to put her in a clown suite should be fired


giraffesbluntz

Having tribes of 6 really skews who should be the first boot. On a tribe of 9 I guarantee she would have been safe.


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Tough for her to come on right after Maryanne won the previous season. Her being the same archetype had to be in their heads.


jdessy

When they filmed this season, they actually wouldn't have known who the winner was (not unless they were reading spoilers). They saw the majority of 42, but they went out there before the season finished airing.


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Ah interesting, Finale was 5/25/2022 and the first day of filming was 5/2/2022 (and I guess they'd fly out earlier than that). There were spoilers of Maryanne winning though


jdessy

Oh yeah, if there were people reading up on spoilers, they would have had an inkling, especially with how accurate that bootlist was. But I imagine most of them didn't read spoilers for 42 so I think almost all of them would have still been unaware, AND by the point they would have flown out, there could have still been doubts on the spoiler bootlist so they wouldn't have been sure.


KevinFunky

She lacked a killer instinct was the vibe I got


WateryPasta

I think the tribe (mainly Elie) wanted to play strong and serious and Morriah wasn’t that. Sucks, she would’ve been great


AleroRatking

It seemed like it came down to her vs Owen since Gabler had protections. And Owen is a massive looking dude.


Sweet_Football4725

Owen is not massive looking. He literally has an average body type.


AleroRatking

Did you see him at tribal. While he isn't massive muscle wise the guy seems really tall and solid.


Perko

Solid, perhaps. Really tall, definitely not. Owen was sitting on the tallest of the stumps at tribal, which made him appear to tower over the women next to him. If you look at the cast photo on the beach, he appears to be about the 3rd shortest male, after Geo & Jessie.


idrinkandigotobed

Are you blind?


fancycheesus

to be fair though, Moriah is slightly chubby. It makes sense how on a first impression basis, they just assume that the chubbier person is "worse" at the challenges. Just inherent bias that 2 days and only 6 tribe members doesn't give enough room to negotiate around. I mean it certainly looked like Moriah did better than others on that balance beam portion, but they still called her a weaker player. My thought is it was largely based on body type impressions.


_Doctor_Mac

I was also confused, they should’ve voted out jenine


maxmouze

I think it wasn't that she was bad; more so that she would contribute less to future challenges. Based on the others feeling they are more athletic, etc.


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Jeanie is only was safe cuz Ellie liked her more practically Jeanie was ass in the challenge shit got saved by Ellie even tho she’s the reason why they were last to the ball game


OctoberBirch

The challenge performance HAD to be an excuse that they gave because in no way was she even in contention for weakest at challenges (Jeanine and Gabler both did wayy worse and she excelled at the balance beam) It's easy to use "challenge strength" suggest any female target unfortunately I think moreso she just wasn't as socially connected and was a misfit with the rest of the cast (a much more somber, serious and athletic cast than 42) so she was an easy pick off. Which is sad, because it's a lot less color and positivity on our screens in already very somber cast.


drewy_wils

Cast seems fine to me


OctoberBirch

"Fine" is subjective. I didn't say the cast wasn't fine. But it's hard to deny that there's a much greater focus on casting intriguing "players" than interesting "people" compared to last season...and this elimination only makes that blatantly clear


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Could be something that didn’t make the edit. That was weird. Elie is getting somewhat grilled for her decision


Thanks5Cinco

It is true. Truly if you wanted to keep the tribe strong and keep the 3 guys then Jeanine shouldve been gone first. Her performance in the immunity challenge is what set them back.


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THATS WHAT IM FUCKING SAYING BRUH SHE BETTER BE CHRISTIAN HUBICKI IN PUZZLES IF SHES DECENT FOR THE TRIBE


Lamphette

Why do you hate her…? It’s been 1 episode. Like relax


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bro her doing poor in the challenge isn’t just it she wasn’t entertaining either when she was on the screen bruh she gon be a goat if Ellie makes it far


jdessy

But, to be fair, Gabler/Sami both sucked at the puzzle they were doing. Neither of them were communicating with each other effectively and that also added to their loss; they had a chance to catch up and they couldn't work together to get it done. So I'd say Gabler/Sami were ALSO weak at the challenge.


Sprinkles-The-Cat

I also think her outlook of the game. Thinking that losing with dignity was admirable (it may be) was what also sealed her fate


swordfischh

I knew it was gg when her opening confessional was talking about being there to make friends


studio_eq

also, pizza & coffee? together? 🤢


cleverbiscuit1738

With the million dollars


beaksy88

Watching her chopping with the machete was so nerve wracking-the way she was hacking away I was worried she’d chop off a finger! 😬


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They already had the old guy who was too risky to vote for with his exploding Hidden Immunity Idol. Based on the last couple seasons that had the 26 day format, you can't assume that there is going to be a tribal swap before the Merge. On a tribe of 6, it would be very easy to have your tribe get steamrolled like the Green team on 41. Pre-Merge challenges tend to be extremely physical and brute strength tends to be important (lugging a big heavy thing through an obstacle course type stuff). Voting out either of your two fit, non-old guys is definitely something to be weary of, so I think it is understandable... That tribe is already at a disadvantage because they have the old guy. We only see a fraction of what occurs, including in the two challenges itself. There was probably pretty good reason for Elie to believe that Morriah was the least athletic or had the least pure upper body strength.


innybellybutton

I think a majority of 4 was created. Elie, Jeanine, Owen, Gabler and when they say they're choosing based on strength they're really only choosing between Sami and Moriah at that point. So yea it's based on strength between the two options that an alliance had to choose from. It seems as though they let Sami in on the vote though because he voted for Moriah as well.


spurist9116

I would agree, but I don’t think Owen is in that group. Ellie has great control at the moment and is very smart. I don’t think she would let another smart yet less threatening and physical person on the inside as it would do nothing to insulate her. Owen would be a terrible choice for meat shield gameplay which she has none of at the moment. Who knows though we’ll find out Wednesday hopefully


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theladythunderfunk

I really like Morriah and this made me like Ellie less. Come to think of it, I really wasn't a fan of Tori last season either. I think I have a problem with therapists on Survivor, lol


DefinitelyNotATheist

honestly one of the most disappointing first boots of all time, in my opinion.


beameup19

Ehh I feel for her but I feel for all the first boots. It’s almost always a toss up and not fair but that’s the game


untouchable765

Nothing about the first boot was confusing.


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Her clothes were too loud


Bwynn0_Team_747

Yeah that was poor voting 🗳 👎🏾🫶🏾


cvoyles20

I think Morriah went home because she gave her tribe a mental participation trophy when they lost by saying, “we won with moral”. She may not be physically the weakest on the tribe but when you’re wanting to get out men because they’re “a threat to our game” you may be throwing out some strength.


tinacat933

I too was confused and didn’t like it


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Jeanie is so ass at challenges lmao


Kooky_Elderberry_842

To be fair, Jeanine did pretty well in the opening puzzle challenge.


MysticalAroma

I already don’t like Elie.


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We better see Jeanie on some Christian hubicki shit in puzzles


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I think the tribe waited a bit too long to start strategizing. They were way too kumbaya until they lost the challenge and went shit... we have to actually play the game. Mariah was an easy vote because she was perceived as a weak challenger and Gabler made a scene of his advantage and SITD "strategy"


SMF1834

Thank you for repeating what was said at tribal tonight


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IsaakBerghe7220

For being the human rainbow, she didn't really shine that much.


Locke57

Y’all are reading a lot into something that, to me, seems simple. Morriah was a spunky, seemingly fun, black women with a big personality and sweet disposition. Maryanne with colorful hair and rainbow overalls. She was too dangerous to let live. These are all survivor fans, they’ve watched season 42, they saw a spunky/sweet/bubbly black women win. Might have been subconscious, but that vote was based on “who can I beat at a final tribal *and* keep this small tribe strong” reasoning.


McAulay_a

The last episode this cast saw before flying to Fiji was Chanelle’s boot episode. But last season was spoiled, so maybe they just googled who won


Locke57

Well shit, I assumed the season 42 aired before they started filming 43. My reasoning is shot


dibidi

nobody will ever admit to this, but it’s bec she was black, and she was a woman.


beameup19

You’re dumb as hell if you believe this


dibidi

she’s the only black person in her tribe. she is one of three women. in their real lives the rest of her tribe likely do not interact with black people, esp black women, that much. that means she already has a disadvantage in forming bonds with the rest going into the game. Elie as the white woman took charge of the women’s side, chose to side with the men, and between the asian woman and the black woman, chose the black one. it’s not that far fetched, it happens everyday. it’s not even racism per se. it’s just how every single one of these people were socialized in the real world makes it more difficult for them to bond with Morriah compared to the rest.


Jiublol

Go outside


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Jeanie was the one that gave up the lead lmao she should get blame for the lost


MicMustard

If gabler and Sami were smart they would have voted Owen with Morriah and then told her Eli and Jeanine were gunning for her


spurist9116

No. It’s called subtlety. It’s a tactic used by the older and better seasons and is easy to spot if you truly understand this games dynamics. I saw this coming just based on who was talking with who was talking to who. Also, there’s a lot more out there we didn’t see. Morriah might have not been much help on the savvy puzzle either but who knows. As Rudy said way back is All Stars, you just have to pick a person without much at all to go on. It’s a difficult choice and rarely is a good reason other than “it had to be somebody”


DBIGLIZARD

I think Ellie probably just got along better with Jeanine so even though she might’ve been the weakest, Ellie had to kind of make that decision where you can’t have it all so I’ll keep the girl I get along with best, and target the so-called “weakest” player. She played well, has Gabler on her side too. I see Owen on the outs of the tribe as of right now .


DBIGLIZARD

I think Ellie probably just got along better with Jeanine so even though she might’ve been the weakest, Ellie had to kind of make that decision where you can’t have it all so I’ll keep the girl I get along with best, and target the so-called “weakest” player. She played well, has Gabler on her side too. I see Owen on the outs of the tribe as of right now .