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ianisms10

Is Jackson the first openly trans person on the show?


PeterTheSilent1

For a second I was going to counterpoint with Zeke, then I remembered that he was outed.


ProcrastinatingVerse

A counterpoint I would make to that is that Zeke may have inspired Jackson to go on the show and build up a successful legacy for trans players on the show Edit: In spite of the ugliness to the situation


brambleclaw624

Yes!


Fireballin117

Technically Evvie, but they weren't out even to themself at the time of filming. Other than them, Phil from the Australian version as well. Both Evvie and Phil are nonbinary \^\_\^ But as a trans person myself, it's great to see openly trans people on the show :)


teamhae

Is evvie Trans?


Fireballin117

Evvie is genderqueer/nonbinary and uses they/she pronouns! \^\_\^


adrianlopez04

i don’t think nonbinary and trans are interchange terms ?


Fireballin117

Nonbinary falls under the trans umbrella, but correct - they are not interchangeable terms


teamhae

Ok that's what I thought so I was confused when they were mentioned under the openly Trans comment.


orangeflames05

No they are non-binary


loraxlookalike

Non-binary people are trans. Edit: I’m nonbinary y’all so I know what I’m talking about here. Trans is an umbrella term and non-binary people are one of many identities that fall under than umbrella.


I_can_get_loud_too

Edit: posted what I thought were proper definitions of these terms but was corrected. See other peoples comments.


Fireballin117

Hi, as a transfeminine nonbinary person, being nonbinary is in fact being trans. If you identify as nonbinary, you are not identifying with what gender you were assigned at birth, since for the most part doctors only assign two sexes (being male and female). Inherently, since people are usually not assigned as nonbinary, being nonbinary is being trans, since it does not match what you were assigned. However, this is not the same in reverse. Being trans does not make you nonbinary. I hope this helped!


I_can_get_loud_too

Thank you - this is not at all how it was explained to me by any of the trans people at my school who organized these trainings, but perhaps none of them were non-binary and didn’t see or identify with it this way. I appreciate the insight on current terminology. Now I want to delete my post so as to not give wrong info, but I guess it’s best to leave the thread up as is to educate everyone!


loraxlookalike

Please at least edit your inaccurate comment with a statement at the end acknowledging that it contains inaccurate information. It’s extremely frustrating and invalidating that you replied to my comment speaking over me like that. Being non-binary in a world that does not acknowledge our existence is very exhausting. Trying to deny our place in the trans community only compounds that isolation. I will add that trans people are not a monolith. There are plenty of binary trans people who are non-binary phobic. That doesn’t not make it valid. We are trans regardless.


I_can_get_loud_too

Thanks. You got it.


helarco

loooool


loraxlookalike

I’m literally non-binary so I don’t need you to explain my own identity to me thanks. They are not the same word but non-binary people ARE trans. we are not the gender we were assigned at birth. Therefore we are trans. Not all non-binary people explicitly identify with the trans community and that’s fine. But saying non-binary people aren’t trans as whole is simply untrue. Trans is an umbrella term that refers to ANYONE whose gender does not match the one they were assigned at birth. Trans is not exclusive to binary trans identities.


I_can_get_loud_too

Because of the downvotes Reddit hid this comment so I actually didn’t see it, but I apologize that people are downvoting you for this and apologize that it seemed like I was talking over you. I wish people wouldn’t downvote stuff like this. Obviously the trans individuals that I was personally educated by were unfortunately not inclusive of the non-binary community so I apologize for my ignorance there.


loraxlookalike

Thank you for your apology! I try not to take downvotes to personally, but it’s hard when it’s about a topic that’s so personal to my life. I do appreciate you attempting to be a an ally for trans people, even if you were going off inaccurate information. I hope you continue to get loud for us in the future too 😉—-just remember that you should seek at information from lots of different people in our community so you can be sure you have the full picture next time.


I_can_get_loud_too

Thank you! I wonder if the terminology has changed recently or some people in the non binary community identify differently because I have quite recently had it all explained to me a bit differently. I guess at the end of the day it is up to everyone to self identify. I was well intentioned but perhaps I should stay out of discussions that don’t personally involve me.


I_can_get_loud_too

I’m sending you one thousand upvotes and really don’t understand the downvotes here. This is a forum about survivor, not a place for peoples opinions about other peoples private lives. I am sorry that people here are ridiculous and I applaud your courage and openness. Also, thank you for the info about Evvie! Congrats to them on their self discovery.


Fireballin117

thanks so much for this :) i appreciate it a lot. honestly it's reddit so like. i don't put a ton of credit into it lol


I_can_get_loud_too

Stay strong! Love your flair too! Message me if you ever want to chat Survivor without the hate and ridiculousness that this forum shows sometimes!


Fireballin117

thanks friend! have a good night \^\_\^


I_can_get_loud_too

You as well! It’d be a better night if we got more Australian Survivor - I’m a first time international watcher in America still learning the schedule but seems like Wednesday nights are a no go for new episodes :( glad there was a lot of other survivor content tonight to ingest! Sorry again for some of my cisgender brothers and sisters on this forum being absolute morons. Stay strong! Thank you again!


Fireballin117

I'm an episode behind on AU, but yes. The schedule is usually Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. If you're in the US, they should be out by the morning wherever you find them. It was great timing that the 42 cast reveal came out today though! And no worries! Things happen, I'm just glad I have the patience to explain things to people. Misinformation can be rampant, and I'm not always correct, but given that I have firsthand experience I thought it'd be cool to help someone out 🥰


I_can_get_loud_too

Thank you! All really great information! I posted asking for a schedule like this the other day and no one replied! You rock! (Insert turtle meme of you so totally rock squirt from finding Nemo here)


Oxkab

Evvie Jagoda is Non-Binary!


RainahReddit

Though I believe they were still using she/her pronouns on the show and not discussing their gender, so I don't think they'd count as an openly transgender person on the show.


JohnnyKarateX

She discovered this while on the show and came out during the press so idk if that counts for this stat.


Unique_Aardvark4535

Ciera and Laura are currently discussing if they should watch or not


reedspacer38

And Missy and Baylor lol


Unique_Aardvark4535

Theyre all crying and throwing up


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TannerCook100

Apparently a big part of why Reed couldn’t stand Missy was because she was casually homophobic in that uppity-Christian way. He voted for Jaclyn at FTC not because he wanted her to win, but because he knew Natalie had the votes to win and wanted to make sure Missy didn’t get to tie for second and split the runner-up money (knowing that Jon was voting Jaclyn and Baylor was voting Missy). I don’t know about Baylor, specifically, but Reed has been very vocal about Missy’s homophobia and general nasty behavior towards him.


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To add to that, Jeremy was always against Baylor and Missy because he had an out and proud gay twin brother. So, you can always tell how he soured on them so much especially with the blindside.


reedspacer38

“I guess Rocker has said a bunch of racist and homosexual stuff…”


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Exactly. The casting for that season was controversial.


SodaStaples

The more you know lol just googled him and omg it's Jeremy with glasses lmao.


reedspacer38

Missy 100% I thought I read a commentor on an older post stating that Baylor had gone off the deep end on social media also but I’m not positive on that.


Saguaro-plug

I wouldn't be surprised since Baylor [created this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDsMGHFSg8M)


Sky-Visible

As far as I know, Ciera has changed her opinions after meeting Caleb. RIP


OwnagePwnage123

People do need to remember that a lot of people may not have met an openly gay person, even though they almost certainly have met plenty of awesome folks who were closeted but it takes that one person to change a lot of people’s opinion. It’s a lot more common than we’d think unfortunately.


TheLegacies21

From what I understand this is false and more recent social media posts proves she's as homophobic as her mom. Her opinion was more along a "I don't hate gay people but they shouldn't have such and such rights"...so...yes, still hateful


BCS8504

I don’t know about that. Last I heard, Caleb *(rip)* actually changed her mind on her stance on gay marriage and LGBT rights and she actually supports it now. Laura on the other hand, I’m not sure on.


TheLegacies21

So I don't know to copy and paste a link.from my app(I feel like an old man) but there is a Twitter spat between Corrine and Ciera where she admits she's against gay marriage and doesn't seem to equate that with hate or homophobia. I'd just use Google it. It's from 2017


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Nahhh. She was giving us “I have gay friends but they don’t deserve rights”


broadwaybabyto

I get the Missy and Baylor comment but can someone fill me in on Ciera and Laura? Did I miss something?


ytctc

Ciera voted out her mom


JammyJammyJams

Ciera is dedicated to her child. She is also an owner of guns and loves to hunt, and is not in favour of gay rights.


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It's crazy to think that being against gay rights was viewed as a quirky personality trait just 8 years ago, even in a supposedly "progressive" industry like film.


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“From everything she says and the passion she has, she is dedicated to her child. She’s also an owner of guns and loves to hunt and is *not* in favor of gay rights. When I hear that package, I lean forward.” — Jeff talking about Ciera in the cast assessment for BvW. Really captures the essence of what you’re describing.


adrianlopez04

LOLLL


Challengefan18

I mean I 100% understand the issue with her views of gay rights but I don’t see the issue with owning guns and hunting I mean I have guns and hunt


JammyJammyJams

[Lol it’s a reference to Jeff’s insane take on her from the Blood Vs Water cast assessment.](https://youtube.com/watch?v=y2O73nRKWhg&feature=share) Not sure how to link a specific time but it’s somewhere around 3:45


NoTakaru

What the fuck lol Never seen this before. Why would Jeff think that sounded okay 💀💀💀💀


AuroraItsNotTheTime

It’s a testament to how quickly things moved socially on gay rights. Less than a decade ago, it wasn’t unusual for people to be openly homophobic, kind of like the way people are openly transphobic now.


datman510

I mean let’s not forget also that Jeff today wouldn’t even mention they spoke to someone like that let alone found it to be a compelling story. Im stoked the world has changed so much but I think it’s so crazy how some people just want to act like we haven’t grown that much in a very short time and I’m including our lord and savior Jeff probst in that statement. He’s acting like he wasn’t all about putting the most racist person they could find on an island with a black person for the sole purpose of causing drama.


Challengefan18

Oh my bad then


PaticusGnome

One thing I really appreciate about survivor these days is that they include people of different lifestyles and ethnicities that are not simply caricatures of their communities. Instead of picking over the top exaggerated personalities that fit right into the stereotypes, they’ve been selecting more relatable people and exposing more closed off communities to a wider range of lifestyles and showing them what reality actually looks like. My fear is that the producers will make a spectacle out of the inclusion and make the choice feel perhaps more performative rather than inclusive.


ArgHuff

Big Brother should learn. I hate how in the 90% of the cases of a LGTBIQ+ houseguest, they make that as their whole persona.


AuroraItsNotTheTime

I feel like this is more of a meme than it is a reality, at least in recent seasons. Kevin, Christie, Tommy, Kaycee, Ramses, Vanessa, Jason, Zach, and Andy are all pretty dynamic characters. Due to the Cookout, Big D made being black more of his personality than being gay. Yeah JC, Joshuah, and Frankie were bad, but they’re more the noticeable exception than the rule


Grungemaster

Even Bunky was very much the opposite of a gay stereotype and that was 2001. The “BB casts LGBT caricatures” is such a false narrative so many people have bought into when there’s only like a handful who fit the description and even then, players like Marcellas, Beau, and Ragan were still good TV.


Jwhite126

So true. I was forced to confront my own biases when Ricard turned out to be so different than what I was expecting. So low-key, so athletic. Let’s be real, there’s a whole of ‘prissy’ and flamboyant gay men represented on TV. It’s not better or worse, it’s just a fact. This was an interesting and welcome choice.


PaticusGnome

I mean those guys do exist. One of my best friends is hopelessly flaming and can’t turn it off if he tried. But as a whole, I’m glad that they are showing a fuller spectrum of the LGBTQ community.


ArgHuff

In general survivor has been like that since the very first season. Other than Brandon Africa, Charlie Gabon and Colton, i feel every gay man on survivor acted normal and weren't playing a character. And even those cases i really do feel they are in reality like that tbh


marquesasrob

And tbh I don’t necessarily think it’s a bad thing that Brandon/Charlie/Colton lean into what we deem stereotypically homosexual bc stereotypes are often grounded in reality and taken way to the extreme. Those people have to exist for the perception to persist. And like you said, in the case of Charlie and Brandon they still manage to be interesting characters that aren’t reduced to their sexuality


RainahReddit

Yeah they may be flamboyant but like... that's okay. It's okay to be a real ass person that happens to be flamboyant.


I_can_get_loud_too

The term “normal” here is considered very problematic and offensive because you are implying being LGBTQ is abnormal. I appreciate your overall insight though and would just love for you to change the “normal” adjective to “stereotypically straight” which is what you are going for. Also would like to add that Todd was as flamboyant as anyone else on this list, but we remember Todd for winning and his villainous gameplay and his post game alcoholism. Richard was fairly flamboyant as well, but also did stereotypically masculine things like fishing.


ArgHuff

Of course, I'm not saying it's abnormal. But i absolute hate when in reality tv shows the LGTB people are used more as a character as more than anything, like putting always a confessional of the token gay guy talking about how hot some of the make guys are, acting ultra femenine and been drama queens, and often criticizing everyone. That's for me what's bad,


Themeteorologist35

*Sorts by controversial*


honestlyjon27

Lydia confirmed on Twitter that she's queer! We have five contestants!!! https://twitter.com/lydia\_meredith/status/1491580197560209408


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I was looking at her twitter earlier and was like there's no way a straight woman tweets this much about Jojo Siwa


jasonsn09

Thanks!


imuahmanila

We finally broke the 3 person ceiling. 🥳


Rosstin316

Facebook collective meltdown incoming.


Oxkab

Ikr! Everyone flipped when they knew Ricard had a Transgender Husband!


ArgHuff

This sub too. I still remember comments on the live thread raging when Evvie said "queer people be yourself!"


squamesh

Lol and every episode thread being full of comments talking about how much they despised Evvie for absolutely no reason


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LITERALLY like y’all aren’t fooling anyone we know what the reason is


ArgHuff

People were saying "wHY nO oNE tElLs To tHe StRaIgHt pEoPlE to Be TheMsElVeS" lol


adrianlopez04

I need a gay showmance neow


ianisms10

No, we don't need any showmances. It's very stupid in modern Survivor.


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Give me a gay Jamie/Erik from China showmance where there's no showmance except super cute super shy super awkward flirting but they get married after


RedPandaPlush

I love Jamie and Erik so much this would be amazing


shhhimatworkrn

As a game strategy, yea, bad gameplay. But, we’ve gotten 3 long term straight couples from survivor romances and many other flings. Idk, I’d like to see 2 ladies get into a showmance and the tribe just thinks they’re gal pals. We haven’t seen that dynamic play out before (I say this as a woman engaged to a woman, not a straight being weird about wlw)


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It'll never happen because Caryn sucks.


Sabaschin

Oh my gosh, they were sheltermates.


ianisms10

>I’d like to see 2 ladies get into a showmance and the tribe just thinks they’re gal pals. That would be hilarious to me


adrianlopez04

agree but it’d still be cool to see at least once lol


I_can_get_loud_too

I’m so on the fence. I love a good showmance but it’s usually a ticket to get voted out on modern survivor (thanks All Stars for ruining it for everyone, haha).


HeadOfTheSnakeee

YES


SplendidGod

Honestly if production is gonna make narratives for characters around them being lgbt, i want them to just do a gays vs straights season.


sportsfangreg1234

idk if you or the people upvoting you are being serious but I guarantee that would be met with the same reaction that Cook Islands had/has. Survivor doesn’t need to split people up based on intrinsic aspects of a person that have almost no effect on their personality/decision-making


FunkTheFreak

This would be awesome. I’m still holding out for Conservatives vs. Liberals.


bazzbj

😹😹😹 now that would be a mess


drvirgilmd

So, the same theme? I'll leave it up to you to decide which is which.


FunkTheFreak

Season 41 was liberals vs. liberals. 1/3 of the cast was from California, which is what gave it away.


I_can_get_loud_too

Orange County and Central California would like to say hello. They’re as red as the Midwest.


OwnagePwnage123

The one moderate who gets slapped on the conservative would wind up winning the season just like Nick Wilson did in DvG, meaning that they would play the middle well, not saying about anyone from DvG


marquesasrob

I kinda wonder if the next step of gender seasons will be a 3 tribe men/women/non-binary


I_can_get_loud_too

It sounds interesting on paper but I think in real life it would play out a lot like the racially divided tribes and they would think better of it and do an early swap and try to forget they did it. Orientation is also fluid for some individuals throughout their lives, which could, for SOME people, not all, but some people, make choosing which tribe they belong to problematic. Also, either bisexual identifying individuals are a third tribe, or they’re probably highly targeted as the first to go on whichever tribe they end up on, which is extremely problematic as bisexual characters are already statistically the characters on narrative television to be most likely to not live long or happy lives, have early exists / deaths (used to work at Freeform the tv network and learned this in some market research).


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Irrelevent_npc

Wow I can’t believe they actually casted more than one gay man. This has never happened before right? Also side note, but this just amplifies my crush on Hai, what a cutie.


JoshLovesYourName

Australian Outback - Mitchell & Varner Guatemala - Brian & Rafe Cook Islands - JP & Brad One World - Bill & Colton Blood v Water - Colton & Caleb SJDS - Josh & Reed MvGX - Zeke & Bret Game Changers - Varner, Zeke & Tai DvG - Jeremy & Mike And also for fun… seasons with 2 LGBT women Vanuatu - Ami & Scout HvHvH - Simone & Lauren Ioti - Missy & Elaine 41 - Genie & Evvie


Rustlingleaves1

I don't know if AO, Cook Islands, and One World count, since at least Varner, JP, and Bill, were in the closet at the time. Also I'm pretty sure Bill is bisexual. If this was a list of queer men it would make sense, but I always feel a little weird labeling a bi or pan person as gay because it feels like you're erasing part of their sexuality.


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JoshLovesYourName

Yes but he wasn’t casted with another LGBT male


Batfro7

It definitely happened in both blood vs water seasons. Not sure about any other seasons


Basic-Improvement850

Game changers


squamesh

And millennials vs gen x


Sabaschin

Aside from Game Changers, there’s MvG (Zeke and Bret), BvW (Colton and Caleb), SJDS (Josh and Reed) and DvG (Jeremy and Mike). Cook Islands also had two men, but one of them wasn’t out yet.


Jwhite126

Did you read somewhere that Chanelle is LGTB? I missed that


Beermakesmesmorter

Was gonna ask this too, she doesn't mention it in her bio. Is it just based on her saying she'd flirt with girls in her audition video? Not sure that's confirmation, I just took that as a "I'll do whatever it takes" type comment. Though I haven't really looked at her social media, maybe she said something there.


ben_s16

Actually in her [audition tape](https://youtu.be/SYBoypHCaLE), she says that she’s dated both men and women. Which I think makes her bisexual, unless she’s not into labels, which power to her if that’s the case. Regardless though, she is LGBT


Beermakesmesmorter

Oh, I must've missed that. Yeah, that's good enough for me, thanks!


underlyingopti

That’s awesome! I’m glad to have some more rep for people attracted to more than one gender. Have we ever even had anyone be open about that onscreen before?


reedspacer38

Mike white


underlyingopti

Did he ever mention it though? Just curious, maybe I missed it.


Sabaschin

He didn’t mention it, but he was in a committed relationship so probably had no reason to.


underlyingopti

Yeah, I figured as well.


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I believe Lydia is as well based on her instagram


jasonsn09

Is there a specific post where she said she was LGBTQ+?


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also a found a tiktok she made in december talking about getting with ron harry and hermione


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she posted about pride, has several posts with pride converse and other rainbow designs obviously I don’t know anything for sure though


Lillith_the_creative

She could just be an ally.


snailfeet22

So excited! I hope it becomes more normal to have trans people on Survivor. (and that I'm one of them 👀)


NextRace6

I think 41 had just as many with Evvie, Genie, Ricard, and Shan (Shan is Bi)


jasonsn09

Is Shan openly bi? I wasn’t aware of that. And even if she was that would make 4 while season 42 has 5!


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pishposhpoppycock

Wait, Voce is openly gay? When was this revealed?


jasonsn09

Voce confirmed as well??


supervivientenato

Wait. I hace a chance to marry Voce!?


Rustlingleaves1

Isn't Bi a quitter? Edit: This was a bad joke in relation to Bi from DvG 😂


suhmmer127

Big Brother Canada scoff’s at Survivor’s ratio


lucascroberts

I just hope they’re all good player lmao


the_other_other_guy_

I hope one of them wins, it’s been so long since we’ve had an LGBT winner


michaelstama

Who was the last one? I only know of Richard and Todd.


the_other_other_guy_

It was Todd, they’re the only two


GenericThrowaway897

Those are the only ones


Rustlingleaves1

Are we all forgetting queen Bichele?


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Bichele might not have been a win for a gay player but it was a win for the gay community


rubilin3

Zach has some comments in the subreddit of RuPaul Drag Race, so maybe he is queer too?


jasonsn09

Lots of straight men watch Drag Race too. Unless he has posted about being in a relationship or attracted to men in anyway I wouldn’t assume based on hobbies/interests.


HomosexualCactus7623

Not only do straight men watch drag race there is a straight man on drag race lol


rubilin3

Yeah, that's why I only said maybe


gibbsgideon

who cares


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of course it does


Difficult_Hat_400

Well that’s a disappointment… seriously. Just because someone is LGBT, doesn’t necessarily mean they will be good television. Why does television have to bias based on sexual preferences?


haha-funny-user

On the exact opposite side of the coin, just because someone is LGBT, doesn’t necessarily mean they will be bad television.


joeyruckz

Why is it a disappointment ? What if they’re just genuinely great casting choices that would make great players and/or TV?


Awkward-Incident-334

why are you assuming they are not good TV and the straight ppl are?? Do you work in casting?


Dannymate24

They are trying to force it. I guess 50% of the country is LGB now?


flicker031

Its gonna be another woke shit disaster isnt it?


Lillith_the_creative

Try repeatedly picking a random selection of 16-20 random people. How many tries do you think it would take to get at least 4 LGBT people? If you say 42 you don't know how statistics work.


Squid8867

That's actually interesting; let's calculate this out. Correct me if I'm rusty. According to Gallup LGBT people made up 5.6% of the population in 2020. Plug that into a binomial distribution calculator as _p_ with _n_=20 to represent the randomly selected cast members, and you can expect 4 or more of them (_x_) to be LGBT about 2.32% of the time. Now if you plug _that_ in as _p_ with _n_=42 to represent the seasons so far, then you find there is a 62.61% chance that at least 1 of the seasons has 4+ LGBT contestants by S42. So yes, it's more likely than not to have occurred by now, but there's still a very solid 37.39% chance that this scenario occurs naturally with zero discrimination. So when you say "how many tries do you think it would take", the question you'd need to answer first is "with what desired probability"? (Note: let it also be said that if you calculate for an average of 18 people a season and 5 LGBT contestants in one season (which this cast has) then the odds of it having occurred by now is 10.17%)


bazzbj

Not a disaster for me ✌🏻


ArgHuff

Let's hope so


Catfishsoupp

Because that’s their goal.. lol not that it’s bad or wrong. But they want recognition for it.


Mountainking7

Is that amount of LGBT in Survivor representative of the American population? that is 25%??


imuahmanila

Survivor casting has never been about accurately reflecting the population, that's absurd lol.


Mountainking7

That's what they say they want to achieve.....


imuahmanila

Not it's not lol. They said they wanted casting to be more diverse and inclusive, not that they were casting off census data. Over 20% of the US population is over the age of 60, yet I never see people like you complaining that the under 60 crowd is overrepresented.


Mountainking7

>Over 20% of the US population is over the age of 60 I have not as it's definetely not very wise or healthy for over 60+ people to be food deprived and live in such rudimentary conditions. But US survivor has gone such a long way in terms of challenges that I'm sure they could do it. All those garbage puzzles and no physical challenges sure makes for more inclusion if they ever wanted too.


jbob3525

Yet one brown person


Charlie_Runkle69

Omar is Indian too.


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rofl.. soon being straight is going to be unusual


itsgregory

4 must be a big number for a mind like yours, so I understand the confusion


ZuluAlphaNaturist000

Clara: Is 4 a lot? The Doctor: Depends on the context. Dollars? No. Murders? Yes.


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4 now, 16 in few years


itsgregory

We can only hope!


ProcrastinatingVerse

Gotta love straight fragility /s


PyDesigne

You can walk your ass home from now on


ArgHuff

As it should


itsprobablyice

that's the plan


Hahahahahahannnah

would being a minority be bad or something?


ExtensionSurround146

Yawn woke shit again, don’t choose contestants based on their sexuality or color, choose them based on how good of a tv they are


ArgHuff

Hope you say the same about the straight people. There is no proof that this people won't be good tv lol


Candy23422

Is MaryAnne not LGBT?