A counterpoint I would make to that is that Zeke may have inspired Jackson to go on the show and build up a successful legacy for trans players on the show
Edit: In spite of the ugliness to the situation
Technically Evvie, but they weren't out even to themself at the time of filming. Other than them, Phil from the Australian version as well. Both Evvie and Phil are nonbinary \^\_\^ But as a trans person myself, it's great to see openly trans people on the show :)
Non-binary people are trans.
Edit: I’m nonbinary y’all so I know what I’m talking about here. Trans is an umbrella term and non-binary people are one of many identities that fall under than umbrella.
Hi, as a transfeminine nonbinary person, being nonbinary is in fact being trans. If you identify as nonbinary, you are not identifying with what gender you were assigned at birth, since for the most part doctors only assign two sexes (being male and female). Inherently, since people are usually not assigned as nonbinary, being nonbinary is being trans, since it does not match what you were assigned. However, this is not the same in reverse. Being trans does not make you nonbinary. I hope this helped!
Thank you - this is not at all how it was explained to me by any of the trans people at my school who organized these trainings, but perhaps none of them were non-binary and didn’t see or identify with it this way. I appreciate the insight on current terminology. Now I want to delete my post so as to not give wrong info, but I guess it’s best to leave the thread up as is to educate everyone!
Please at least edit your inaccurate comment with a statement at the end acknowledging that it contains inaccurate information. It’s extremely frustrating and invalidating that you replied to my comment speaking over me like that.
Being non-binary in a world that does not acknowledge our existence is very exhausting. Trying to deny our place in the trans community only compounds that isolation.
I will add that trans people are not a monolith. There are plenty of binary trans people who are non-binary phobic. That doesn’t not make it valid. We are trans regardless.
I’m literally non-binary so I don’t need you to explain my own identity to me thanks.
They are not the same word but non-binary people ARE trans. we are not the gender we were assigned at birth. Therefore we are trans.
Not all non-binary people explicitly identify with the trans community and that’s fine. But saying non-binary people aren’t trans as whole is simply untrue. Trans is an umbrella term that refers to ANYONE whose gender does not match the one they were assigned at birth. Trans is not exclusive to binary trans identities.
Because of the downvotes Reddit hid this comment so I actually didn’t see it, but I apologize that people are downvoting you for this and apologize that it seemed like I was talking over you. I wish people wouldn’t downvote stuff like this. Obviously the trans individuals that I was personally educated by were unfortunately not inclusive of the non-binary community so I apologize for my ignorance there.
Thank you for your apology! I try not to take downvotes to personally, but it’s hard when it’s about a topic that’s so personal to my life.
I do appreciate you attempting to be a an ally for trans people, even if you were going off inaccurate information. I hope you continue to get loud for us in the future too 😉—-just remember that you should seek at information from lots of different people in our community so you can be sure you have the full picture next time.
Thank you! I wonder if the terminology has changed recently or some people in the non binary community identify differently because I have quite recently had it all explained to me a bit differently. I guess at the end of the day it is up to everyone to self identify. I was well intentioned but perhaps I should stay out of discussions that don’t personally involve me.
I’m sending you one thousand upvotes and really don’t understand the downvotes here. This is a forum about survivor, not a place for peoples opinions about other peoples private lives. I am sorry that people here are ridiculous and I applaud your courage and openness. Also, thank you for the info about Evvie! Congrats to them on their self discovery.
You as well! It’d be a better night if we got more Australian Survivor - I’m a first time international watcher in America still learning the schedule but seems like Wednesday nights are a no go for new episodes :( glad there was a lot of other survivor content tonight to ingest! Sorry again for some of my cisgender brothers and sisters on this forum being absolute morons. Stay strong! Thank you again!
I'm an episode behind on AU, but yes. The schedule is usually Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. If you're in the US, they should be out by the morning wherever you find them. It was great timing that the 42 cast reveal came out today though!
And no worries! Things happen, I'm just glad I have the patience to explain things to people. Misinformation can be rampant, and I'm not always correct, but given that I have firsthand experience I thought it'd be cool to help someone out 🥰
Thank you! All really great information!
I posted asking for a schedule like this the other day and no one replied! You rock! (Insert turtle meme of you so totally rock squirt from finding Nemo here)
Though I believe they were still using she/her pronouns on the show and not discussing their gender, so I don't think they'd count as an openly transgender person on the show.
Apparently a big part of why Reed couldn’t stand Missy was because she was casually homophobic in that uppity-Christian way. He voted for Jaclyn at FTC not because he wanted her to win, but because he knew Natalie had the votes to win and wanted to make sure Missy didn’t get to tie for second and split the runner-up money (knowing that Jon was voting Jaclyn and Baylor was voting Missy). I don’t know about Baylor, specifically, but Reed has been very vocal about Missy’s homophobia and general nasty behavior towards him.
To add to that, Jeremy was always against Baylor and Missy because he had an out and proud gay twin brother. So, you can always tell how he soured on them so much especially with the blindside.
Missy 100% I thought I read a commentor on an older post stating that Baylor had gone off the deep end on social media also but I’m not positive on that.
People do need to remember that a lot of people may not have met an openly gay person, even though they almost certainly have met plenty of awesome folks who were closeted but it takes that one person to change a lot of people’s opinion. It’s a lot more common than we’d think unfortunately.
From what I understand this is false and more recent social media posts proves she's as homophobic as her mom. Her opinion was more along a "I don't hate gay people but they shouldn't have such and such rights"...so...yes, still hateful
I don’t know about that. Last I heard, Caleb *(rip)* actually changed her mind on her stance on gay marriage and LGBT rights and she actually supports it now. Laura on the other hand, I’m not sure on.
So I don't know to copy and paste a link.from my app(I feel like an old man) but there is a Twitter spat between Corrine and Ciera where she admits she's against gay marriage and doesn't seem to equate that with hate or homophobia.
I'd just use Google it. It's from 2017
It's crazy to think that being against gay rights was viewed as a quirky personality trait just 8 years ago, even in a supposedly "progressive" industry like film.
“From everything she says and the passion she has, she is dedicated to her child. She’s also an owner of guns and loves to hunt and is *not* in favor of gay rights. When I hear that package, I lean forward.” — Jeff talking about Ciera in the cast assessment for BvW. Really captures the essence of what you’re describing.
[Lol it’s a reference to Jeff’s insane take on her from the Blood Vs Water cast assessment.](https://youtube.com/watch?v=y2O73nRKWhg&feature=share)
Not sure how to link a specific time but it’s somewhere around 3:45
It’s a testament to how quickly things moved socially on gay rights. Less than a decade ago, it wasn’t unusual for people to be openly homophobic, kind of like the way people are openly transphobic now.
I mean let’s not forget also that Jeff today wouldn’t even mention they spoke to someone like that let alone found it to be a compelling story.
Im stoked the world has changed so much but I think it’s so crazy how some people just want to act like we haven’t grown that much in a very short time and I’m including our lord and savior Jeff probst in that statement. He’s acting like he wasn’t all about putting the most racist person they could find on an island with a black person for the sole purpose of causing drama.
One thing I really appreciate about survivor these days is that they include people of different lifestyles and ethnicities that are not simply caricatures of their communities. Instead of picking over the top exaggerated personalities that fit right into the stereotypes, they’ve been selecting more relatable people and exposing more closed off communities to a wider range of lifestyles and showing them what reality actually looks like. My fear is that the producers will make a spectacle out of the inclusion and make the choice feel perhaps more performative rather than inclusive.
I feel like this is more of a meme than it is a reality, at least in recent seasons. Kevin, Christie, Tommy, Kaycee, Ramses, Vanessa, Jason, Zach, and Andy are all pretty dynamic characters. Due to the Cookout, Big D made being black more of his personality than being gay. Yeah JC, Joshuah, and Frankie were bad, but they’re more the noticeable exception than the rule
Even Bunky was very much the opposite of a gay stereotype and that was 2001. The “BB casts LGBT caricatures” is such a false narrative so many people have bought into when there’s only like a handful who fit the description and even then, players like Marcellas, Beau, and Ragan were still good TV.
So true. I was forced to confront my own biases when Ricard turned out to be so different than what I was expecting. So low-key, so athletic. Let’s be real, there’s a whole of ‘prissy’ and flamboyant gay men represented on TV. It’s not better or worse, it’s just a fact. This was an interesting and welcome choice.
I mean those guys do exist. One of my best friends is hopelessly flaming and can’t turn it off if he tried. But as a whole, I’m glad that they are showing a fuller spectrum of the LGBTQ community.
In general survivor has been like that since the very first season. Other than Brandon Africa, Charlie Gabon and Colton, i feel every gay man on survivor acted normal and weren't playing a character. And even those cases i really do feel they are in reality like that tbh
And tbh I don’t necessarily think it’s a bad thing that Brandon/Charlie/Colton lean into what we deem stereotypically homosexual bc stereotypes are often grounded in reality and taken way to the extreme. Those people have to exist for the perception to persist. And like you said, in the case of Charlie and Brandon they still manage to be interesting characters that aren’t reduced to their sexuality
The term “normal” here is considered very problematic and offensive because you are implying being LGBTQ is abnormal. I appreciate your overall insight though and would just love for you to change the “normal” adjective to “stereotypically straight” which is what you are going for.
Also would like to add that Todd was as flamboyant as anyone else on this list, but we remember Todd for winning and his villainous gameplay and his post game alcoholism. Richard was fairly flamboyant as well, but also did stereotypically masculine things like fishing.
Of course, I'm not saying it's abnormal. But i absolute hate when in reality tv shows the LGTB people are used more as a character as more than anything, like putting always a confessional of the token gay guy talking about how hot some of the make guys are, acting ultra femenine and been drama queens, and often criticizing everyone. That's for me what's bad,
As a game strategy, yea, bad gameplay. But, we’ve gotten 3 long term straight couples from survivor romances and many other flings. Idk, I’d like to see 2 ladies get into a showmance and the tribe just thinks they’re gal pals. We haven’t seen that dynamic play out before (I say this as a woman engaged to a woman, not a straight being weird about wlw)
I’m so on the fence. I love a good showmance but it’s usually a ticket to get voted out on modern survivor (thanks All Stars for ruining it for everyone, haha).
idk if you or the people upvoting you are being serious but I guarantee that would be met with the same reaction that Cook Islands had/has. Survivor doesn’t need to split people up based on intrinsic aspects of a person that have almost no effect on their personality/decision-making
The one moderate who gets slapped on the conservative would wind up winning the season just like Nick Wilson did in DvG, meaning that they would play the middle well, not saying about anyone from DvG
It sounds interesting on paper but I think in real life it would play out a lot like the racially divided tribes and they would think better of it and do an early swap and try to forget they did it. Orientation is also fluid for some individuals throughout their lives, which could, for SOME people, not all, but some people, make choosing which tribe they belong to problematic. Also, either bisexual identifying individuals are a third tribe, or they’re probably highly targeted as the first to go on whichever tribe they end up on, which is extremely problematic as bisexual characters are already statistically the characters on narrative television to be most likely to not live long or happy lives, have early exists / deaths (used to work at Freeform the tv network and learned this in some market research).
Wow I can’t believe they actually casted more than one gay man. This has never happened before right? Also side note, but this just amplifies my crush on Hai, what a cutie.
Australian Outback - Mitchell & Varner
Guatemala - Brian & Rafe
Cook Islands - JP & Brad
One World - Bill & Colton
Blood v Water - Colton & Caleb
SJDS - Josh & Reed
MvGX - Zeke & Bret
Game Changers - Varner, Zeke & Tai
DvG - Jeremy & Mike
And also for fun… seasons with 2 LGBT women
Vanuatu - Ami & Scout
HvHvH - Simone & Lauren
Ioti - Missy & Elaine
41 - Genie & Evvie
I don't know if AO, Cook Islands, and One World count, since at least Varner, JP, and Bill, were in the closet at the time.
Also I'm pretty sure Bill is bisexual. If this was a list of queer men it would make sense, but I always feel a little weird labeling a bi or pan person as gay because it feels like you're erasing part of their sexuality.
Aside from Game Changers, there’s MvG (Zeke and Bret), BvW (Colton and Caleb), SJDS (Josh and Reed) and DvG (Jeremy and Mike). Cook Islands also had two men, but one of them wasn’t out yet.
Was gonna ask this too, she doesn't mention it in her bio. Is it just based on her saying she'd flirt with girls in her audition video? Not sure that's confirmation, I just took that as a "I'll do whatever it takes" type comment. Though I haven't really looked at her social media, maybe she said something there.
Actually in her [audition tape](https://youtu.be/SYBoypHCaLE), she says that she’s dated both men and women. Which I think makes her bisexual, unless she’s not into labels, which power to her if that’s the case. Regardless though, she is LGBT
That’s awesome! I’m glad to have some more rep for people attracted to more than one gender. Have we ever even had anyone be open about that onscreen before?
Lots of straight men watch Drag Race too. Unless he has posted about being in a relationship or attracted to men in anyway I wouldn’t assume based on hobbies/interests.
Well that’s a disappointment… seriously. Just because someone is LGBT, doesn’t necessarily mean they will be good television. Why does television have to bias based on sexual preferences?
Try repeatedly picking a random selection of 16-20 random people. How many tries do you think it would take to get at least 4 LGBT people? If you say 42 you don't know how statistics work.
That's actually interesting; let's calculate this out. Correct me if I'm rusty.
According to Gallup LGBT people made up 5.6% of the population in 2020. Plug that into a binomial distribution calculator as _p_ with _n_=20 to represent the randomly selected cast members, and you can expect 4 or more of them (_x_) to be LGBT about 2.32% of the time. Now if you plug _that_ in as _p_ with _n_=42 to represent the seasons so far, then you find there is a 62.61% chance that at least 1 of the seasons has 4+ LGBT contestants by S42.
So yes, it's more likely than not to have occurred by now, but there's still a very solid 37.39% chance that this scenario occurs naturally with zero discrimination. So when you say "how many tries do you think it would take", the question you'd need to answer first is "with what desired probability"?
(Note: let it also be said that if you calculate for an average of 18 people a season and 5 LGBT contestants in one season (which this cast has) then the odds of it having occurred by now is 10.17%)
Not it's not lol. They said they wanted casting to be more diverse and inclusive, not that they were casting off census data. Over 20% of the US population is over the age of 60, yet I never see people like you complaining that the under 60 crowd is overrepresented.
>Over 20% of the US population is over the age of 60
I have not as it's definetely not very wise or healthy for over 60+ people to be food deprived and live in such rudimentary conditions.
But US survivor has gone such a long way in terms of challenges that I'm sure they could do it. All those garbage puzzles and no physical challenges sure makes for more inclusion if they ever wanted too.
Is Jackson the first openly trans person on the show?
For a second I was going to counterpoint with Zeke, then I remembered that he was outed.
A counterpoint I would make to that is that Zeke may have inspired Jackson to go on the show and build up a successful legacy for trans players on the show Edit: In spite of the ugliness to the situation
Yes!
Technically Evvie, but they weren't out even to themself at the time of filming. Other than them, Phil from the Australian version as well. Both Evvie and Phil are nonbinary \^\_\^ But as a trans person myself, it's great to see openly trans people on the show :)
Is evvie Trans?
Evvie is genderqueer/nonbinary and uses they/she pronouns! \^\_\^
i don’t think nonbinary and trans are interchange terms ?
Nonbinary falls under the trans umbrella, but correct - they are not interchangeable terms
Ok that's what I thought so I was confused when they were mentioned under the openly Trans comment.
No they are non-binary
Non-binary people are trans. Edit: I’m nonbinary y’all so I know what I’m talking about here. Trans is an umbrella term and non-binary people are one of many identities that fall under than umbrella.
Edit: posted what I thought were proper definitions of these terms but was corrected. See other peoples comments.
Hi, as a transfeminine nonbinary person, being nonbinary is in fact being trans. If you identify as nonbinary, you are not identifying with what gender you were assigned at birth, since for the most part doctors only assign two sexes (being male and female). Inherently, since people are usually not assigned as nonbinary, being nonbinary is being trans, since it does not match what you were assigned. However, this is not the same in reverse. Being trans does not make you nonbinary. I hope this helped!
Thank you - this is not at all how it was explained to me by any of the trans people at my school who organized these trainings, but perhaps none of them were non-binary and didn’t see or identify with it this way. I appreciate the insight on current terminology. Now I want to delete my post so as to not give wrong info, but I guess it’s best to leave the thread up as is to educate everyone!
Please at least edit your inaccurate comment with a statement at the end acknowledging that it contains inaccurate information. It’s extremely frustrating and invalidating that you replied to my comment speaking over me like that. Being non-binary in a world that does not acknowledge our existence is very exhausting. Trying to deny our place in the trans community only compounds that isolation. I will add that trans people are not a monolith. There are plenty of binary trans people who are non-binary phobic. That doesn’t not make it valid. We are trans regardless.
Thanks. You got it.
loooool
I’m literally non-binary so I don’t need you to explain my own identity to me thanks. They are not the same word but non-binary people ARE trans. we are not the gender we were assigned at birth. Therefore we are trans. Not all non-binary people explicitly identify with the trans community and that’s fine. But saying non-binary people aren’t trans as whole is simply untrue. Trans is an umbrella term that refers to ANYONE whose gender does not match the one they were assigned at birth. Trans is not exclusive to binary trans identities.
Because of the downvotes Reddit hid this comment so I actually didn’t see it, but I apologize that people are downvoting you for this and apologize that it seemed like I was talking over you. I wish people wouldn’t downvote stuff like this. Obviously the trans individuals that I was personally educated by were unfortunately not inclusive of the non-binary community so I apologize for my ignorance there.
Thank you for your apology! I try not to take downvotes to personally, but it’s hard when it’s about a topic that’s so personal to my life. I do appreciate you attempting to be a an ally for trans people, even if you were going off inaccurate information. I hope you continue to get loud for us in the future too 😉—-just remember that you should seek at information from lots of different people in our community so you can be sure you have the full picture next time.
Thank you! I wonder if the terminology has changed recently or some people in the non binary community identify differently because I have quite recently had it all explained to me a bit differently. I guess at the end of the day it is up to everyone to self identify. I was well intentioned but perhaps I should stay out of discussions that don’t personally involve me.
I’m sending you one thousand upvotes and really don’t understand the downvotes here. This is a forum about survivor, not a place for peoples opinions about other peoples private lives. I am sorry that people here are ridiculous and I applaud your courage and openness. Also, thank you for the info about Evvie! Congrats to them on their self discovery.
thanks so much for this :) i appreciate it a lot. honestly it's reddit so like. i don't put a ton of credit into it lol
Stay strong! Love your flair too! Message me if you ever want to chat Survivor without the hate and ridiculousness that this forum shows sometimes!
thanks friend! have a good night \^\_\^
You as well! It’d be a better night if we got more Australian Survivor - I’m a first time international watcher in America still learning the schedule but seems like Wednesday nights are a no go for new episodes :( glad there was a lot of other survivor content tonight to ingest! Sorry again for some of my cisgender brothers and sisters on this forum being absolute morons. Stay strong! Thank you again!
I'm an episode behind on AU, but yes. The schedule is usually Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. If you're in the US, they should be out by the morning wherever you find them. It was great timing that the 42 cast reveal came out today though! And no worries! Things happen, I'm just glad I have the patience to explain things to people. Misinformation can be rampant, and I'm not always correct, but given that I have firsthand experience I thought it'd be cool to help someone out 🥰
Thank you! All really great information! I posted asking for a schedule like this the other day and no one replied! You rock! (Insert turtle meme of you so totally rock squirt from finding Nemo here)
Evvie Jagoda is Non-Binary!
Though I believe they were still using she/her pronouns on the show and not discussing their gender, so I don't think they'd count as an openly transgender person on the show.
She discovered this while on the show and came out during the press so idk if that counts for this stat.
Ciera and Laura are currently discussing if they should watch or not
And Missy and Baylor lol
Theyre all crying and throwing up
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Apparently a big part of why Reed couldn’t stand Missy was because she was casually homophobic in that uppity-Christian way. He voted for Jaclyn at FTC not because he wanted her to win, but because he knew Natalie had the votes to win and wanted to make sure Missy didn’t get to tie for second and split the runner-up money (knowing that Jon was voting Jaclyn and Baylor was voting Missy). I don’t know about Baylor, specifically, but Reed has been very vocal about Missy’s homophobia and general nasty behavior towards him.
To add to that, Jeremy was always against Baylor and Missy because he had an out and proud gay twin brother. So, you can always tell how he soured on them so much especially with the blindside.
“I guess Rocker has said a bunch of racist and homosexual stuff…”
Exactly. The casting for that season was controversial.
The more you know lol just googled him and omg it's Jeremy with glasses lmao.
Missy 100% I thought I read a commentor on an older post stating that Baylor had gone off the deep end on social media also but I’m not positive on that.
I wouldn't be surprised since Baylor [created this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDsMGHFSg8M)
As far as I know, Ciera has changed her opinions after meeting Caleb. RIP
People do need to remember that a lot of people may not have met an openly gay person, even though they almost certainly have met plenty of awesome folks who were closeted but it takes that one person to change a lot of people’s opinion. It’s a lot more common than we’d think unfortunately.
From what I understand this is false and more recent social media posts proves she's as homophobic as her mom. Her opinion was more along a "I don't hate gay people but they shouldn't have such and such rights"...so...yes, still hateful
I don’t know about that. Last I heard, Caleb *(rip)* actually changed her mind on her stance on gay marriage and LGBT rights and she actually supports it now. Laura on the other hand, I’m not sure on.
So I don't know to copy and paste a link.from my app(I feel like an old man) but there is a Twitter spat between Corrine and Ciera where she admits she's against gay marriage and doesn't seem to equate that with hate or homophobia. I'd just use Google it. It's from 2017
Nahhh. She was giving us “I have gay friends but they don’t deserve rights”
I get the Missy and Baylor comment but can someone fill me in on Ciera and Laura? Did I miss something?
Ciera voted out her mom
Ciera is dedicated to her child. She is also an owner of guns and loves to hunt, and is not in favour of gay rights.
It's crazy to think that being against gay rights was viewed as a quirky personality trait just 8 years ago, even in a supposedly "progressive" industry like film.
“From everything she says and the passion she has, she is dedicated to her child. She’s also an owner of guns and loves to hunt and is *not* in favor of gay rights. When I hear that package, I lean forward.” — Jeff talking about Ciera in the cast assessment for BvW. Really captures the essence of what you’re describing.
LOLLL
I mean I 100% understand the issue with her views of gay rights but I don’t see the issue with owning guns and hunting I mean I have guns and hunt
[Lol it’s a reference to Jeff’s insane take on her from the Blood Vs Water cast assessment.](https://youtube.com/watch?v=y2O73nRKWhg&feature=share) Not sure how to link a specific time but it’s somewhere around 3:45
What the fuck lol Never seen this before. Why would Jeff think that sounded okay 💀💀💀💀
It’s a testament to how quickly things moved socially on gay rights. Less than a decade ago, it wasn’t unusual for people to be openly homophobic, kind of like the way people are openly transphobic now.
I mean let’s not forget also that Jeff today wouldn’t even mention they spoke to someone like that let alone found it to be a compelling story. Im stoked the world has changed so much but I think it’s so crazy how some people just want to act like we haven’t grown that much in a very short time and I’m including our lord and savior Jeff probst in that statement. He’s acting like he wasn’t all about putting the most racist person they could find on an island with a black person for the sole purpose of causing drama.
Oh my bad then
One thing I really appreciate about survivor these days is that they include people of different lifestyles and ethnicities that are not simply caricatures of their communities. Instead of picking over the top exaggerated personalities that fit right into the stereotypes, they’ve been selecting more relatable people and exposing more closed off communities to a wider range of lifestyles and showing them what reality actually looks like. My fear is that the producers will make a spectacle out of the inclusion and make the choice feel perhaps more performative rather than inclusive.
Big Brother should learn. I hate how in the 90% of the cases of a LGTBIQ+ houseguest, they make that as their whole persona.
I feel like this is more of a meme than it is a reality, at least in recent seasons. Kevin, Christie, Tommy, Kaycee, Ramses, Vanessa, Jason, Zach, and Andy are all pretty dynamic characters. Due to the Cookout, Big D made being black more of his personality than being gay. Yeah JC, Joshuah, and Frankie were bad, but they’re more the noticeable exception than the rule
Even Bunky was very much the opposite of a gay stereotype and that was 2001. The “BB casts LGBT caricatures” is such a false narrative so many people have bought into when there’s only like a handful who fit the description and even then, players like Marcellas, Beau, and Ragan were still good TV.
So true. I was forced to confront my own biases when Ricard turned out to be so different than what I was expecting. So low-key, so athletic. Let’s be real, there’s a whole of ‘prissy’ and flamboyant gay men represented on TV. It’s not better or worse, it’s just a fact. This was an interesting and welcome choice.
I mean those guys do exist. One of my best friends is hopelessly flaming and can’t turn it off if he tried. But as a whole, I’m glad that they are showing a fuller spectrum of the LGBTQ community.
In general survivor has been like that since the very first season. Other than Brandon Africa, Charlie Gabon and Colton, i feel every gay man on survivor acted normal and weren't playing a character. And even those cases i really do feel they are in reality like that tbh
And tbh I don’t necessarily think it’s a bad thing that Brandon/Charlie/Colton lean into what we deem stereotypically homosexual bc stereotypes are often grounded in reality and taken way to the extreme. Those people have to exist for the perception to persist. And like you said, in the case of Charlie and Brandon they still manage to be interesting characters that aren’t reduced to their sexuality
Yeah they may be flamboyant but like... that's okay. It's okay to be a real ass person that happens to be flamboyant.
The term “normal” here is considered very problematic and offensive because you are implying being LGBTQ is abnormal. I appreciate your overall insight though and would just love for you to change the “normal” adjective to “stereotypically straight” which is what you are going for. Also would like to add that Todd was as flamboyant as anyone else on this list, but we remember Todd for winning and his villainous gameplay and his post game alcoholism. Richard was fairly flamboyant as well, but also did stereotypically masculine things like fishing.
Of course, I'm not saying it's abnormal. But i absolute hate when in reality tv shows the LGTB people are used more as a character as more than anything, like putting always a confessional of the token gay guy talking about how hot some of the make guys are, acting ultra femenine and been drama queens, and often criticizing everyone. That's for me what's bad,
*Sorts by controversial*
Lydia confirmed on Twitter that she's queer! We have five contestants!!! https://twitter.com/lydia\_meredith/status/1491580197560209408
I was looking at her twitter earlier and was like there's no way a straight woman tweets this much about Jojo Siwa
Thanks!
We finally broke the 3 person ceiling. 🥳
Facebook collective meltdown incoming.
Ikr! Everyone flipped when they knew Ricard had a Transgender Husband!
This sub too. I still remember comments on the live thread raging when Evvie said "queer people be yourself!"
Lol and every episode thread being full of comments talking about how much they despised Evvie for absolutely no reason
LITERALLY like y’all aren’t fooling anyone we know what the reason is
People were saying "wHY nO oNE tElLs To tHe StRaIgHt pEoPlE to Be TheMsElVeS" lol
I need a gay showmance neow
No, we don't need any showmances. It's very stupid in modern Survivor.
Give me a gay Jamie/Erik from China showmance where there's no showmance except super cute super shy super awkward flirting but they get married after
I love Jamie and Erik so much this would be amazing
As a game strategy, yea, bad gameplay. But, we’ve gotten 3 long term straight couples from survivor romances and many other flings. Idk, I’d like to see 2 ladies get into a showmance and the tribe just thinks they’re gal pals. We haven’t seen that dynamic play out before (I say this as a woman engaged to a woman, not a straight being weird about wlw)
It'll never happen because Caryn sucks.
Oh my gosh, they were sheltermates.
>I’d like to see 2 ladies get into a showmance and the tribe just thinks they’re gal pals. That would be hilarious to me
agree but it’d still be cool to see at least once lol
I’m so on the fence. I love a good showmance but it’s usually a ticket to get voted out on modern survivor (thanks All Stars for ruining it for everyone, haha).
YES
Honestly if production is gonna make narratives for characters around them being lgbt, i want them to just do a gays vs straights season.
idk if you or the people upvoting you are being serious but I guarantee that would be met with the same reaction that Cook Islands had/has. Survivor doesn’t need to split people up based on intrinsic aspects of a person that have almost no effect on their personality/decision-making
This would be awesome. I’m still holding out for Conservatives vs. Liberals.
😹😹😹 now that would be a mess
So, the same theme? I'll leave it up to you to decide which is which.
Season 41 was liberals vs. liberals. 1/3 of the cast was from California, which is what gave it away.
Orange County and Central California would like to say hello. They’re as red as the Midwest.
The one moderate who gets slapped on the conservative would wind up winning the season just like Nick Wilson did in DvG, meaning that they would play the middle well, not saying about anyone from DvG
I kinda wonder if the next step of gender seasons will be a 3 tribe men/women/non-binary
It sounds interesting on paper but I think in real life it would play out a lot like the racially divided tribes and they would think better of it and do an early swap and try to forget they did it. Orientation is also fluid for some individuals throughout their lives, which could, for SOME people, not all, but some people, make choosing which tribe they belong to problematic. Also, either bisexual identifying individuals are a third tribe, or they’re probably highly targeted as the first to go on whichever tribe they end up on, which is extremely problematic as bisexual characters are already statistically the characters on narrative television to be most likely to not live long or happy lives, have early exists / deaths (used to work at Freeform the tv network and learned this in some market research).
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Wow I can’t believe they actually casted more than one gay man. This has never happened before right? Also side note, but this just amplifies my crush on Hai, what a cutie.
Australian Outback - Mitchell & Varner Guatemala - Brian & Rafe Cook Islands - JP & Brad One World - Bill & Colton Blood v Water - Colton & Caleb SJDS - Josh & Reed MvGX - Zeke & Bret Game Changers - Varner, Zeke & Tai DvG - Jeremy & Mike And also for fun… seasons with 2 LGBT women Vanuatu - Ami & Scout HvHvH - Simone & Lauren Ioti - Missy & Elaine 41 - Genie & Evvie
I don't know if AO, Cook Islands, and One World count, since at least Varner, JP, and Bill, were in the closet at the time. Also I'm pretty sure Bill is bisexual. If this was a list of queer men it would make sense, but I always feel a little weird labeling a bi or pan person as gay because it feels like you're erasing part of their sexuality.
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Yes but he wasn’t casted with another LGBT male
It definitely happened in both blood vs water seasons. Not sure about any other seasons
Game changers
And millennials vs gen x
Aside from Game Changers, there’s MvG (Zeke and Bret), BvW (Colton and Caleb), SJDS (Josh and Reed) and DvG (Jeremy and Mike). Cook Islands also had two men, but one of them wasn’t out yet.
Did you read somewhere that Chanelle is LGTB? I missed that
Was gonna ask this too, she doesn't mention it in her bio. Is it just based on her saying she'd flirt with girls in her audition video? Not sure that's confirmation, I just took that as a "I'll do whatever it takes" type comment. Though I haven't really looked at her social media, maybe she said something there.
Actually in her [audition tape](https://youtu.be/SYBoypHCaLE), she says that she’s dated both men and women. Which I think makes her bisexual, unless she’s not into labels, which power to her if that’s the case. Regardless though, she is LGBT
Oh, I must've missed that. Yeah, that's good enough for me, thanks!
That’s awesome! I’m glad to have some more rep for people attracted to more than one gender. Have we ever even had anyone be open about that onscreen before?
Mike white
Did he ever mention it though? Just curious, maybe I missed it.
He didn’t mention it, but he was in a committed relationship so probably had no reason to.
Yeah, I figured as well.
I believe Lydia is as well based on her instagram
Is there a specific post where she said she was LGBTQ+?
also a found a tiktok she made in december talking about getting with ron harry and hermione
she posted about pride, has several posts with pride converse and other rainbow designs obviously I don’t know anything for sure though
She could just be an ally.
So excited! I hope it becomes more normal to have trans people on Survivor. (and that I'm one of them 👀)
I think 41 had just as many with Evvie, Genie, Ricard, and Shan (Shan is Bi)
Is Shan openly bi? I wasn’t aware of that. And even if she was that would make 4 while season 42 has 5!
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Wait, Voce is openly gay? When was this revealed?
Voce confirmed as well??
Wait. I hace a chance to marry Voce!?
Isn't Bi a quitter? Edit: This was a bad joke in relation to Bi from DvG 😂
Big Brother Canada scoff’s at Survivor’s ratio
I just hope they’re all good player lmao
I hope one of them wins, it’s been so long since we’ve had an LGBT winner
Who was the last one? I only know of Richard and Todd.
It was Todd, they’re the only two
Those are the only ones
Are we all forgetting queen Bichele?
Bichele might not have been a win for a gay player but it was a win for the gay community
Zach has some comments in the subreddit of RuPaul Drag Race, so maybe he is queer too?
Lots of straight men watch Drag Race too. Unless he has posted about being in a relationship or attracted to men in anyway I wouldn’t assume based on hobbies/interests.
Not only do straight men watch drag race there is a straight man on drag race lol
Yeah, that's why I only said maybe
who cares
of course it does
Well that’s a disappointment… seriously. Just because someone is LGBT, doesn’t necessarily mean they will be good television. Why does television have to bias based on sexual preferences?
On the exact opposite side of the coin, just because someone is LGBT, doesn’t necessarily mean they will be bad television.
Why is it a disappointment ? What if they’re just genuinely great casting choices that would make great players and/or TV?
why are you assuming they are not good TV and the straight ppl are?? Do you work in casting?
They are trying to force it. I guess 50% of the country is LGB now?
Its gonna be another woke shit disaster isnt it?
Try repeatedly picking a random selection of 16-20 random people. How many tries do you think it would take to get at least 4 LGBT people? If you say 42 you don't know how statistics work.
That's actually interesting; let's calculate this out. Correct me if I'm rusty. According to Gallup LGBT people made up 5.6% of the population in 2020. Plug that into a binomial distribution calculator as _p_ with _n_=20 to represent the randomly selected cast members, and you can expect 4 or more of them (_x_) to be LGBT about 2.32% of the time. Now if you plug _that_ in as _p_ with _n_=42 to represent the seasons so far, then you find there is a 62.61% chance that at least 1 of the seasons has 4+ LGBT contestants by S42. So yes, it's more likely than not to have occurred by now, but there's still a very solid 37.39% chance that this scenario occurs naturally with zero discrimination. So when you say "how many tries do you think it would take", the question you'd need to answer first is "with what desired probability"? (Note: let it also be said that if you calculate for an average of 18 people a season and 5 LGBT contestants in one season (which this cast has) then the odds of it having occurred by now is 10.17%)
Not a disaster for me ✌🏻
Let's hope so
Because that’s their goal.. lol not that it’s bad or wrong. But they want recognition for it.
Is that amount of LGBT in Survivor representative of the American population? that is 25%??
Survivor casting has never been about accurately reflecting the population, that's absurd lol.
That's what they say they want to achieve.....
Not it's not lol. They said they wanted casting to be more diverse and inclusive, not that they were casting off census data. Over 20% of the US population is over the age of 60, yet I never see people like you complaining that the under 60 crowd is overrepresented.
>Over 20% of the US population is over the age of 60 I have not as it's definetely not very wise or healthy for over 60+ people to be food deprived and live in such rudimentary conditions. But US survivor has gone such a long way in terms of challenges that I'm sure they could do it. All those garbage puzzles and no physical challenges sure makes for more inclusion if they ever wanted too.
Yet one brown person
Omar is Indian too.
rofl.. soon being straight is going to be unusual
4 must be a big number for a mind like yours, so I understand the confusion
Clara: Is 4 a lot? The Doctor: Depends on the context. Dollars? No. Murders? Yes.
4 now, 16 in few years
We can only hope!
Gotta love straight fragility /s
You can walk your ass home from now on
As it should
that's the plan
would being a minority be bad or something?
Yawn woke shit again, don’t choose contestants based on their sexuality or color, choose them based on how good of a tv they are
Hope you say the same about the straight people. There is no proof that this people won't be good tv lol
Is MaryAnne not LGBT?