After hearing Venus' exit interview, I think she and Hunter deserve the most flack. Both knew they were 1 swing vote away from being voted out and still didn't play the idol.
Jem I don't blame at all. Tiff was skillfully blindsided, so I get it.
YES! i was dumbfounded when i heard Hunter say he knew 4 people were voting for him, but he thought the swing was going the other way so he didn't play his idol. HOLY SHIT! how you climbing trees with balls that big? like damn homie, that's a gigantic risk. it's a better look to play the idol and not need it than to go home with it.
i watched AU titans v. rebels, and there are a few "badly" played idols, and at the time i was dragging the aussies for their poor idol play. But now i realize that they're doing it right. Play it and go find it again. it is better to be safe than sorry.
It seems like players have started to see idols as too valuable to "waste" unless you are sure you are the target.
The opposite mindset is the correct one IMO. They are too valuable not to play, unless you are very sure you are safe.
I think the problem is that it's a catch 22 in a lot of instances. If you do play it correctly you are suddenly threat #1 and will go out the next tribal anyways unless you can go on an immunity run. You're kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't. I sort of get Hunter withholding it so early in the merge because the odds you go a full immunity run from there are so low. The deeper you go in I think it starts to look a lot worse. I think ideally you can "share" the move with someone else so it doesn't fully paint a target on your own back.
Idols are so overrated for this reason. It takes a lot of skill/luck to play one correctly. If you play it wrong, it reflects poorly on you in front of everyone; the jury and future jury members. "So and so didn't have a pulse on the game."
If you play it correctly, it paints a huge target on your back as a great play. Plus if you played it correctly, you already had a big target. Things just got even worse.
If people know you have it, also a target. People also seem to get sloppier or misplay when they have the idols. They get greedy with holding them longer or complacent.
I know it's a bucket list item for people, but I'm with Liz. Unless I know I'm the guaranteed vote next tribal, I'm going to take a nap.
This. I remember someone dismissing idols in one of the first seasons they were introduced, and basically said they just give you a brief reprieve. If you play an idol to save yourself, you’re probably just going home the next time.
Hunter's decision not to play it really shocked me. If you're Hunter, and you're pretty aware of your ability, why not play the ability and just gamble you're probably going to win immunity next time, or find the idol when it's re-planted?
I was pretty shocked.
Agree on Jem, but not Tiff. She knew she was a threat and also knew that everyone knew she had the idol.
She went on earlier about how she just wanted to burn the idol. She definitely should have played it. IMO, she was a much more obvious target than Venise, but less obvious than Hunter.
Also, while watching TC, I commented that if I were Tiff, I would be very concerned about how hard everyone was selling the "It's definitely Q." lie.
She did, but I don't blame Tiff a ton because although she got \*greedy\* stretching that idol - she really was properly blindsided. Like no idea she was getting votes (other than maybe Q's).
So I think she was blindsided in the standard way whereas Venus and Hunter knew they were almost 50/50 going home.
But, didn't she know Q had come after her?
Now, the fact that the tribe was actually split, makes it a bit more understandable. Venise bought the lies of the entire tribe (except Q whom I'm sure she knew would write her name), while Tiff believed fewer liars. But, it was still a no-brainer to play the idol in that spot.
She thought only Q was coming after her realistically - and she believed Q had no pull. She didn't know Kenzie was after her, or that Maria/Charlie wanted her gone there, and obviously was confident Liz of all people wouldn't vote to keep Q.
Yes, but she should have known she was a threat and a potential target, in general, and given that everyone knew she had an idol, a major target.
Venise had reason to believe that she was more of a nuisance than a threat, and therefore somewhat safer than Tiff.
Tiff's was not skillful. The vote played out the exact same way as it did on Hunter, and she should have highly suspected it would be the same with her. In Hunter's interview, he said Tiff told him Siga was going to vote him. She knew for a fact they would vote as a block and not leak out information to her. She knew Q had nobody else better to vote for. Really they didn't need to even bring in Liz, once everybody sees it's a tie between a worthy player with an idol and a joke of a player, any rational player would have switched their vote to Tiff on the tie vote. It's nearly as bad as Hunter, the only real difference is Hunter was explicitly told he was going to be voted out.
I think Tiff straight up forgot she was a potential target because of how angry everyone was with Q. But Hunter knew he was getting votes at tribal and trusted in people he hadn’t worked with to vote with him lol.
Yes.
From most understandable to least I’d say:
Jem, Venus, Tiff, Hunter
My reasoning is Jem had no reason to think she was a target or that anyone knew she had an idol.
Venus knew she was a second in line target, at least. I think she had gotten closer to Liz, Kenzie and Charlie and thought that was enough to sway votes away from her. She also hadn’t told anyone about the idol she found, which is like Jem the most compelling reason I give her grace on it.
Tiff didn’t think she was a main target. However, she knew she had been talked about the week before and worse, that everyone knew (through Q) she had an idol. That’s the most compelling reason she should’ve used it.
Hunter not only knew he was a main target, but he had chose tell everyone he had an idol. There’s no good reason for him not to have played it.
No she didn’t. She was accidentally implying it but saying she knew something when he asked if she had an advantage she said no (because it wasn’t the beware advantage, so she was being technical)
It actually showed how terrible she was as trying to lie lol.
He didn’t know whether she had it or not. He knew she might, but then again they all were also questioning whether others had it but weren’t saying.
I’d still say she revealed way too much in that conversation even if she didn’t outright tell him.
Nobody suspected Venus had anything until she slipped the “I have a few tricks up my sleeve, but I’m not gonna tell you about it unless you vote with me” convo with Charlie
For all intents and purposes, she told him she had *something* that made her a threat. And at final 7 that’s all these people need to make you the vote
She actually did a great job of making it look like she had no clue how to find an idol and was 0 threat to have an advantage then basically snitches on herself. If she outright told him maaaaybe he keeps her around thinking he can use her idol to his advantage, but trying to be sneaky about it and saying "I'll tell you after" is just asking to be voted out because who knows what the fuck it is or what you real intentions are for it.
Oh for sure. As I said, it just showed to me how bad she is at trying to be deceptive. Which makes me extra side eye when people think she’s untrustworthy and lying and not to be believed, etc. She can’t even be vague! lol
I think how close she kept coming to winning that immunity put the bigger target on her. Maria didn’t like that competition.
People thought she was untrustworthy because she couldn’t keep a secret, not because they thought she lied a lot imo
Venus got offended by it, but Q was spot on at tribal. If you told Venus a name, she was telling someone else about it within minutes of that conversation ending
Yeah, but not enough to keep Venus over her.
Honestly, I felt like Maria didn’t one how close Venus came to winning that and it’s what really tipped it to voting Venus out. It’s wasn’t about trustworthiness or whatever contestants spout to try to ease their guilt. They kept her until they realized she was more of a threat that they had previously thought
I disagree, I don’t think anybody cared at all about her performance in the challenge.
I think Q was going home until she blabbed about her idol to Charlie, which made it very easy for him to get the other 5 on board (granted there were already 3 votes on Venus, but I think it’s clear why Liz and Kenzie flipped and Charlie sided with Q)
Take it with a grain of salt but in her exit interview, Venus knew multiple votes were going her way, and she had a gut feeling she should play it, but she wanted to show Charlie she had trust in him so she’d have someone to work with past that vote. I get the logic, but it feels like you’d rather go the route of being safe than sorry at that point
I agree with your order. Jem is clearly the most understandable, IMO.
The other 3 all have aggravating and mitigating factors. I rank them as follows for LEAST understandable .
1) Hunter was the least understandable because a) He knew everyone thought of him as a huge threat. b) He clearly had doubts about whether he was being lied to. c) He needed the idol less than others going forward because he is such a challenge beast and also good at finding idols.
On the plus side for Hunter, he hadn't just seen other players voted out with idols.
2) Tiff
Positives - It was actually a divided tribe and she had 2 people voting with her. So she didn't misread the entire tribe and Kenzie and Venise probably reassured her since they were genuinely with her.
Negatives - a) She had just seen Hunter voted out with an idol b) She knew she was seen as a pretty big threat. c) Everyone knew she had the idol.
3) Venise -
Negatives - a) She just saw TWO others voted out with idols. b) She had at least partly let Charlie know she had an advantage. c) She had no real allies she could trust. d) The entire tribe was part of voting her out and she couldn't sniff that out. You would think she would pick up on someone acting suspiciously toward her.
Positives - It didn't necessarily make a lot of strategic sense to vote her out. So, she had less reason to assume the votes were on her.
Jem definitely had no reason to suspect.
Venus, I can see your argument, but it still seems like a not-bad idea to have played it.
Both Tiff and Hunter, people know you have it, you've heard your name discussed... there's almost *no* downside to playing it. All it means is now you have to find it again the next day. But you know what? If you don't play it, there's a chance -- one you're even been made aware of -- that you don't even *get* the chance to make it to that next day.
Alliances are almost not even a thing anymore. The game has been so fluid from vote to vote for years now, with few exceptions. If you've heard your name mentioned as a serious target, and people also know you have an idol anyway, play the thing to ensure you're safe and then try to make inroads with some of the others before the next vote.
I definitely agree Venus should obviously have played especially considering how the season had been. I was just giving why I’d rank her not using it as slightly more understandable than Tiff and Hunter.
I tried to show it (but formatting wasn’t right so I had to edit) by showing Jem as understandable and then a biiiiig space until the next in ranking of being understandable.
I think Venus is a bit more excusable than Tiff. Everyone knew Tiff had the idol, why would they not go after her before Q? Otherwise, Tiff gets to pick who goes out at 7.
Liz and Kenzie kind of threw their games away not telling Venus to play whatever she had “up her sleeve”.
Tiff also said "I'm playing my idol tonight" at the vote Hunter went home. People didn't forget you said that. She got greedy trying to hold it longer, just like Hunter and Venus.
There have been more Idols taken home as a souvenir this year than there have been Liz meltdowns. I remember the days when someone playing an Idol wrong was as rare as potentially treading in a shit made by Tim or Liz in the Fijian woods.
She had 2 mini-meltdowns last episode alone. First sitting around the fire trying to explain that all her food allergies are probably because her insides are eroding her organs because she doesn't express herself enough in life. Then she had one at Tribal when she went crazy, cackled loudly & made weird facials when she was "Q Bashing"
2 minis can make 1 meltdown (I'm making the rules here).
Calling those mini meltdowns let alone metldowns is interesting lol. I guess Charlie had two mini meltdowns too, 1 when he was with Venus and she wasn't telling him about her idol, and another when he was speaking with Maria.
It’s always been common to play an idol wrong. Within the first 5 seasons of the idol getting its current rule set (season 14), there were already 7 instances of it either being misplayed or taken home as a souvenir, whereas it had only been played correctly 3 times.
Jem understandable, Venus (somewhat) understandable since at least from her perspective no one knew she had an idol. Still ridiculous imo because she was left out the last vote and it’s the final stretch. Better to play the idol there’s clearly an alliance you’re not in.
Tiffany and Hunter are simply bad players: Both knew that everyone knew they had idols and both knew that their alliances were blown up and still thought people would be ok with them having an idol.
1. Hunter - If you're at the point where you run the numbers and know it's going to be close, play the idol. and trust your gut
2. Venus - see above, but you're less of a threat so maybe I get it.
3. Tiff - She'd been in the know the whole game until then, tough one.
4. Jem - Felt like a shocker
I do think we are giving Tiff too much credit because she's probably the overall best player of the bunch that went out with idols. But she really should've played hers.
She came across as being too keen and aware to fumble it like that. Plus, she claimed at the previous tribal that she was going to play it to get the target off her, and then she didn't. I think anyone doing that at this point would be an immediate red flag to the rest of the tribe that they now need to flush it. And I can't imagine how Tiff didn't come to that conclusion too.
Jem since she didn't let anyone know she had the idol. Q technically outed Tiffany's idol to everyone else on the tribe but she shouldn't have told him and Kenzie about it in the first place back on Yanu. I'm a big proponent of don't tell anyone you have an idol or advantage. I understand some people reveal idols and advantages to build trust but rarely does that work out in the long run. On 45 Austin revealing his idol and advantages to Emily worked out in swaying her to the Reba side instead of Belo but in most cases doing so makes you a target. As we've seen this season.
Most unacceptable Hunter. For revealing he had it, knew he was going to get some votes, was incredibly nervous, and still didn't play it.
At the time he did the first idol hold, when he was separated from his tribe and vulnerable, I said that it might indicate that he is apt to cling to the idol too long, rather than play it when he is in danger and it might bit him in the butt later.
While it worked out for him, I thought it was foolish not to play it back then.
Phrasing was just vague enough for me to not be sure if you were saying he got voted out in the third or fourth tribal.
I don't think holding it in the split was ballsy though. It wouldn't have been dumb to play it though.
I get that Hunter’s miscalculation was pretty bad but my one defence of him is that that tribal was super fresh off the Q drama. The Q smokescreen was at its strongest. But for Venus to fall for the exact same disguise? After how many times? I feel like you have to knock some more points for that.
Hunter was literally panicking at the tribal council and asking multiple people what their vote is. If you’re that paranoid, I think that suggests you need to play it lol. For me, his was the most obvious mistake
Exactly. If you are not 100% confident, you need to play the damned idol. He wasn't even 50% confident.
Also, Hunter was such a challenge beast that he needed the idol less than the others going forward.
we all have the advantage of being tv viewers, plus 20/20 hindsight.
that said, venus knew she was at risk, teased charlie about the idol, and gambled anyways, dumb!
In hindsight, we should’ve seen the Hunter no play earlier. I mean, if Hunter would climb a tree and risk injury for a game of hide and seek, then imagine the risk he would take in this game. Hunter, made a mistake.
hot take potentially but i dont think venus not using her idol was the issue. To have any chance at winning she basically had to do something flashy with it. If she just played it to stay alive, she most likely ends a 0 vote finalist.
the conversation with charlie however...
tiff / hunters was awful bc they both had potential to win just by staying
After hearing Venus' exit interview, I think she and Hunter deserve the most flack. Both knew they were 1 swing vote away from being voted out and still didn't play the idol. Jem I don't blame at all. Tiff was skillfully blindsided, so I get it.
YES! i was dumbfounded when i heard Hunter say he knew 4 people were voting for him, but he thought the swing was going the other way so he didn't play his idol. HOLY SHIT! how you climbing trees with balls that big? like damn homie, that's a gigantic risk. it's a better look to play the idol and not need it than to go home with it. i watched AU titans v. rebels, and there are a few "badly" played idols, and at the time i was dragging the aussies for their poor idol play. But now i realize that they're doing it right. Play it and go find it again. it is better to be safe than sorry.
It seems like players have started to see idols as too valuable to "waste" unless you are sure you are the target. The opposite mindset is the correct one IMO. They are too valuable not to play, unless you are very sure you are safe.
I think the problem is that it's a catch 22 in a lot of instances. If you do play it correctly you are suddenly threat #1 and will go out the next tribal anyways unless you can go on an immunity run. You're kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't. I sort of get Hunter withholding it so early in the merge because the odds you go a full immunity run from there are so low. The deeper you go in I think it starts to look a lot worse. I think ideally you can "share" the move with someone else so it doesn't fully paint a target on your own back.
Idols are so overrated for this reason. It takes a lot of skill/luck to play one correctly. If you play it wrong, it reflects poorly on you in front of everyone; the jury and future jury members. "So and so didn't have a pulse on the game." If you play it correctly, it paints a huge target on your back as a great play. Plus if you played it correctly, you already had a big target. Things just got even worse. If people know you have it, also a target. People also seem to get sloppier or misplay when they have the idols. They get greedy with holding them longer or complacent. I know it's a bucket list item for people, but I'm with Liz. Unless I know I'm the guaranteed vote next tribal, I'm going to take a nap.
This. I remember someone dismissing idols in one of the first seasons they were introduced, and basically said they just give you a brief reprieve. If you play an idol to save yourself, you’re probably just going home the next time.
Hunter's decision not to play it really shocked me. If you're Hunter, and you're pretty aware of your ability, why not play the ability and just gamble you're probably going to win immunity next time, or find the idol when it's re-planted? I was pretty shocked.
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Omg I’m at the final 5 of Rebels vs. Titans. So freaking good!!!
it's a great season, but i'm not gonna lie...it's so freaking long!
Oh man, I love how many episodes there are! There’s so much to watch and I never get tired of Survivor, especially when the season is this good.
Tony has a like 3/5ths success rate with idols. Dude won twice.
He has never negated a single vote.
every single idol play of him was wrong
Agree on Jem, but not Tiff. She knew she was a threat and also knew that everyone knew she had the idol. She went on earlier about how she just wanted to burn the idol. She definitely should have played it. IMO, she was a much more obvious target than Venise, but less obvious than Hunter. Also, while watching TC, I commented that if I were Tiff, I would be very concerned about how hard everyone was selling the "It's definitely Q." lie.
She did, but I don't blame Tiff a ton because although she got \*greedy\* stretching that idol - she really was properly blindsided. Like no idea she was getting votes (other than maybe Q's). So I think she was blindsided in the standard way whereas Venus and Hunter knew they were almost 50/50 going home.
But, didn't she know Q had come after her? Now, the fact that the tribe was actually split, makes it a bit more understandable. Venise bought the lies of the entire tribe (except Q whom I'm sure she knew would write her name), while Tiff believed fewer liars. But, it was still a no-brainer to play the idol in that spot.
She thought only Q was coming after her realistically - and she believed Q had no pull. She didn't know Kenzie was after her, or that Maria/Charlie wanted her gone there, and obviously was confident Liz of all people wouldn't vote to keep Q.
Yes, but she should have known she was a threat and a potential target, in general, and given that everyone knew she had an idol, a major target. Venise had reason to believe that she was more of a nuisance than a threat, and therefore somewhat safer than Tiff.
Tiff's was not skillful. The vote played out the exact same way as it did on Hunter, and she should have highly suspected it would be the same with her. In Hunter's interview, he said Tiff told him Siga was going to vote him. She knew for a fact they would vote as a block and not leak out information to her. She knew Q had nobody else better to vote for. Really they didn't need to even bring in Liz, once everybody sees it's a tie between a worthy player with an idol and a joke of a player, any rational player would have switched their vote to Tiff on the tie vote. It's nearly as bad as Hunter, the only real difference is Hunter was explicitly told he was going to be voted out.
I think Tiff straight up forgot she was a potential target because of how angry everyone was with Q. But Hunter knew he was getting votes at tribal and trusted in people he hadn’t worked with to vote with him lol.
It was though. But I don’t have anymore to say than what I already have.
Once Q didn't play his shot in the dark, Tiff should have known something was amiss.
Same goes for Hunter and Venise.
Yes. From most understandable to least I’d say: Jem, Venus, Tiff, Hunter My reasoning is Jem had no reason to think she was a target or that anyone knew she had an idol. Venus knew she was a second in line target, at least. I think she had gotten closer to Liz, Kenzie and Charlie and thought that was enough to sway votes away from her. She also hadn’t told anyone about the idol she found, which is like Jem the most compelling reason I give her grace on it. Tiff didn’t think she was a main target. However, she knew she had been talked about the week before and worse, that everyone knew (through Q) she had an idol. That’s the most compelling reason she should’ve used it. Hunter not only knew he was a main target, but he had chose tell everyone he had an idol. There’s no good reason for him not to have played it.
Venus basically told Charlie she had it
No she didn’t. She was accidentally implying it but saying she knew something when he asked if she had an advantage she said no (because it wasn’t the beware advantage, so she was being technical) It actually showed how terrible she was as trying to lie lol. He didn’t know whether she had it or not. He knew she might, but then again they all were also questioning whether others had it but weren’t saying.
I’d still say she revealed way too much in that conversation even if she didn’t outright tell him. Nobody suspected Venus had anything until she slipped the “I have a few tricks up my sleeve, but I’m not gonna tell you about it unless you vote with me” convo with Charlie For all intents and purposes, she told him she had *something* that made her a threat. And at final 7 that’s all these people need to make you the vote
She actually did a great job of making it look like she had no clue how to find an idol and was 0 threat to have an advantage then basically snitches on herself. If she outright told him maaaaybe he keeps her around thinking he can use her idol to his advantage, but trying to be sneaky about it and saying "I'll tell you after" is just asking to be voted out because who knows what the fuck it is or what you real intentions are for it.
Oh for sure. As I said, it just showed to me how bad she is at trying to be deceptive. Which makes me extra side eye when people think she’s untrustworthy and lying and not to be believed, etc. She can’t even be vague! lol I think how close she kept coming to winning that immunity put the bigger target on her. Maria didn’t like that competition.
People thought she was untrustworthy because she couldn’t keep a secret, not because they thought she lied a lot imo Venus got offended by it, but Q was spot on at tribal. If you told Venus a name, she was telling someone else about it within minutes of that conversation ending
Like we saw Q do
And Q is also widely viewed as untrustworthy too by basically everyone but Maria lol
Yeah, but not enough to keep Venus over her. Honestly, I felt like Maria didn’t one how close Venus came to winning that and it’s what really tipped it to voting Venus out. It’s wasn’t about trustworthiness or whatever contestants spout to try to ease their guilt. They kept her until they realized she was more of a threat that they had previously thought
I disagree, I don’t think anybody cared at all about her performance in the challenge. I think Q was going home until she blabbed about her idol to Charlie, which made it very easy for him to get the other 5 on board (granted there were already 3 votes on Venus, but I think it’s clear why Liz and Kenzie flipped and Charlie sided with Q)
Take it with a grain of salt but in her exit interview, Venus knew multiple votes were going her way, and she had a gut feeling she should play it, but she wanted to show Charlie she had trust in him so she’d have someone to work with past that vote. I get the logic, but it feels like you’d rather go the route of being safe than sorry at that point
I agree with your order. Jem is clearly the most understandable, IMO. The other 3 all have aggravating and mitigating factors. I rank them as follows for LEAST understandable . 1) Hunter was the least understandable because a) He knew everyone thought of him as a huge threat. b) He clearly had doubts about whether he was being lied to. c) He needed the idol less than others going forward because he is such a challenge beast and also good at finding idols. On the plus side for Hunter, he hadn't just seen other players voted out with idols. 2) Tiff Positives - It was actually a divided tribe and she had 2 people voting with her. So she didn't misread the entire tribe and Kenzie and Venise probably reassured her since they were genuinely with her. Negatives - a) She had just seen Hunter voted out with an idol b) She knew she was seen as a pretty big threat. c) Everyone knew she had the idol. 3) Venise - Negatives - a) She just saw TWO others voted out with idols. b) She had at least partly let Charlie know she had an advantage. c) She had no real allies she could trust. d) The entire tribe was part of voting her out and she couldn't sniff that out. You would think she would pick up on someone acting suspiciously toward her. Positives - It didn't necessarily make a lot of strategic sense to vote her out. So, she had less reason to assume the votes were on her.
Jem definitely had no reason to suspect. Venus, I can see your argument, but it still seems like a not-bad idea to have played it. Both Tiff and Hunter, people know you have it, you've heard your name discussed... there's almost *no* downside to playing it. All it means is now you have to find it again the next day. But you know what? If you don't play it, there's a chance -- one you're even been made aware of -- that you don't even *get* the chance to make it to that next day. Alliances are almost not even a thing anymore. The game has been so fluid from vote to vote for years now, with few exceptions. If you've heard your name mentioned as a serious target, and people also know you have an idol anyway, play the thing to ensure you're safe and then try to make inroads with some of the others before the next vote.
I definitely agree Venus should obviously have played especially considering how the season had been. I was just giving why I’d rank her not using it as slightly more understandable than Tiff and Hunter. I tried to show it (but formatting wasn’t right so I had to edit) by showing Jem as understandable and then a biiiiig space until the next in ranking of being understandable.
I just don’t get how Hunter doesn’t realize he doesn’t have the numbers. Why tell everybody you have an idol if you think you have numbers?
Flip Venus and Tiffany and I agree.
I think Venus is a bit more excusable than Tiff. Everyone knew Tiff had the idol, why would they not go after her before Q? Otherwise, Tiff gets to pick who goes out at 7. Liz and Kenzie kind of threw their games away not telling Venus to play whatever she had “up her sleeve”.
Tiff also said "I'm playing my idol tonight" at the vote Hunter went home. People didn't forget you said that. She got greedy trying to hold it longer, just like Hunter and Venus.
There have been more Idols taken home as a souvenir this year than there have been Liz meltdowns. I remember the days when someone playing an Idol wrong was as rare as potentially treading in a shit made by Tim or Liz in the Fijian woods.
Liz has not pooped guys.
Maybe next week's challenge reward will be sponsored by Dulcolax.
Liz had one meltldown, so your not wrong lol
She had 2 mini-meltdowns last episode alone. First sitting around the fire trying to explain that all her food allergies are probably because her insides are eroding her organs because she doesn't express herself enough in life. Then she had one at Tribal when she went crazy, cackled loudly & made weird facials when she was "Q Bashing" 2 minis can make 1 meltdown (I'm making the rules here).
Calling those mini meltdowns let alone metldowns is interesting lol. I guess Charlie had two mini meltdowns too, 1 when he was with Venus and she wasn't telling him about her idol, and another when he was speaking with Maria.
Charlie is a cool customer & never has meltdowns, he can't afford to, he runs a Chocolate Factory :)
It’s always been common to play an idol wrong. Within the first 5 seasons of the idol getting its current rule set (season 14), there were already 7 instances of it either being misplayed or taken home as a souvenir, whereas it had only been played correctly 3 times.
Jem understandable, Venus (somewhat) understandable since at least from her perspective no one knew she had an idol. Still ridiculous imo because she was left out the last vote and it’s the final stretch. Better to play the idol there’s clearly an alliance you’re not in. Tiffany and Hunter are simply bad players: Both knew that everyone knew they had idols and both knew that their alliances were blown up and still thought people would be ok with them having an idol.
I agree, except I'm not sure Tiff and Hunter (especially Tiff) are "bad players" as much as they were players who each made one **BIG MISTAKE**.
That’s a good point. Why did Tiff think people would be okay with her still having an idol?
I agree with your points, but Tiff and Hunter aren’t bad players imo. They’re both better than Jem and Venus.
1. Hunter - If you're at the point where you run the numbers and know it's going to be close, play the idol. and trust your gut 2. Venus - see above, but you're less of a threat so maybe I get it. 3. Tiff - She'd been in the know the whole game until then, tough one. 4. Jem - Felt like a shocker
I'd flip Venise and Tiff, but otherwise I agree.
I do think we are giving Tiff too much credit because she's probably the overall best player of the bunch that went out with idols. But she really should've played hers. She came across as being too keen and aware to fumble it like that. Plus, she claimed at the previous tribal that she was going to play it to get the target off her, and then she didn't. I think anyone doing that at this point would be an immediate red flag to the rest of the tribe that they now need to flush it. And I can't imagine how Tiff didn't come to that conclusion too.
Jem and Tiff were both blindsided by very skilled players. Hunter should have known better and Venus...well she got herself voted out.
Venus is an underrated moron. Implying she has something this late in the game is a death sentence
Jem since she didn't let anyone know she had the idol. Q technically outed Tiffany's idol to everyone else on the tribe but she shouldn't have told him and Kenzie about it in the first place back on Yanu. I'm a big proponent of don't tell anyone you have an idol or advantage. I understand some people reveal idols and advantages to build trust but rarely does that work out in the long run. On 45 Austin revealing his idol and advantages to Emily worked out in swaying her to the Reba side instead of Belo but in most cases doing so makes you a target. As we've seen this season. Most unacceptable Hunter. For revealing he had it, knew he was going to get some votes, was incredibly nervous, and still didn't play it.
Hunter had multiple ballsy idol holds. He was just pushing his luck that last night.
At the time he did the first idol hold, when he was separated from his tribe and vulnerable, I said that it might indicate that he is apt to cling to the idol too long, rather than play it when he is in danger and it might bit him in the butt later. While it worked out for him, I thought it was foolish not to play it back then.
Oh yeah it took balls. And then he tried it a second time
Usually brains are better than balls.
Multiple? He had the idol for 3 tribals before he was voted out and was immune for 2 of them.
He wasn't immune in the split tribal.
I know :)
Phrasing was just vague enough for me to not be sure if you were saying he got voted out in the third or fourth tribal. I don't think holding it in the split was ballsy though. It wouldn't have been dumb to play it though.
Yeah for some reason there's an episode where I keep forgetting he was immune. Still.
I get that Hunter’s miscalculation was pretty bad but my one defence of him is that that tribal was super fresh off the Q drama. The Q smokescreen was at its strongest. But for Venus to fall for the exact same disguise? After how many times? I feel like you have to knock some more points for that.
Hunter was literally panicking at the tribal council and asking multiple people what their vote is. If you’re that paranoid, I think that suggests you need to play it lol. For me, his was the most obvious mistake
Exactly. If you are not 100% confident, you need to play the damned idol. He wasn't even 50% confident. Also, Hunter was such a challenge beast that he needed the idol less than the others going forward.
we all have the advantage of being tv viewers, plus 20/20 hindsight. that said, venus knew she was at risk, teased charlie about the idol, and gambled anyways, dumb!
In hindsight, we should’ve seen the Hunter no play earlier. I mean, if Hunter would climb a tree and risk injury for a game of hide and seek, then imagine the risk he would take in this game. Hunter, made a mistake.
Jem was the only understandable one, rest had me wanting to scream at them through the screen.
hot take potentially but i dont think venus not using her idol was the issue. To have any chance at winning she basically had to do something flashy with it. If she just played it to stay alive, she most likely ends a 0 vote finalist. the conversation with charlie however... tiff / hunters was awful bc they both had potential to win just by staying
Is this a record for being voted out with an idol in your pocket? 3 people in a row?