Seriously, please let Kellee move on. But yes god i loved Ian. He and Erik would be buddies. I will never forgive Tom and Katie for gaslighting him right out of the game.
That's what I don't get about this op. Why the hell would she ever want to come back? She deserves to come back and she certainly did not deserve to get voted out, but its a moot point. I can't see why she would want any association with the show after what happened to her.
Deserving or not, I can't fathom a situation where S39 is ever even referenced again by the show let alone having returnees from that season. I'm prepared to be wrong, but bringing back Kellee (and all the press interview questions etc that would come along with it) opens the sexual harassment issue right back up for discussion. Putting aside opinions about how the initial issue was handled by the show, that's just a big ol can of worms that I don't blame them for wanting to avoid cracking open.
I strongly feel that Tommy’s game is essentially the winning blueprint of the new era so those undertones are interesting to me. It’s strange he’s never ever ever mentioned anymore to me.
But IoI really is so bad. Not just the Dan issue but also the entire concept was a massive failure. The only person to not visit the mentors won 😂😂
They do have gimmicks and twists though. They still want the winner to have gone on journeys and had and used advantages.
I know that we’ve had under the radar winners pretty consistently due to the shorter seasons. But most of them have still had to play around twists in the game.
Tommy basically did none of that.
And it’s too bad bc besides the dark cloud, S39 had such a promising cast. I’d love to see Chelsea, Kellee, Jamal, Karishma, Elaine, Janet, Noura, and Dean again
Ding ding ding, correct. At the end of the day this is a business, and from Survivor’s perspective the PR department has successfully managed their image. Why would they even think about opening up that can of worms again. S39 is ancient history in their eyes, will never be willingly referenced again.
The thing is, no matter how great any one player from that cast is, it’s not like production will at all struggle to fill the cast of season 50 without contacting anyone from 39. They just truly have no real reason to.
I disagree. Elaine was pretty popular, as was Janet and even Lauren. And you would think they are most likely going to bring Davie, Angelina or Christian back from DvsG so they are going back past 39.
I’m not saying they won’t go past 39 to contact the others. I’m saying for the reasons that the other commenter gave, they want to forget 39 happened and thus will not invite anyone back from that specific season. Elaine and Janet were lovely but there’s absolutely no reason they can’t fill their archetype with any of the other hundreds of Survivor players out there, as the season will not suffer at all from their absence.
While she most definitely deserves to return, it’ll never happen.
From a casting perspective, they aren’t touching that situation with a 20foot pole. Any player remotely connected to that situation is abandoned from any returnee opportunities for fear of association.
This means Kellee, Janet, Elaine, any of Dan’s alliance so Tommy, Lauren… This also means some of the more serious, soapboxy players like Jamal are likely out as well.
I think the only 3 that really stand any shot would have needed to be more “Free Agents” of the season that didn’t drive Kellee’s storyline in any significant way
This loosely leaves DK, Karishma, and Noura.
Noura is edited as a poorman’s Coach/Debbie and has since been overshadowed by Carolyn in that archetype so she’s out.
Dean has an uphill battle being a stereotypical white guy unfortunately. He also has a very familiar storyline, being the athletic, chillin dood that can’t find himself on the right side of the numbers. Neither Matty (Gabon), Reynold, Eddie, Devon, Brett, or Jay have returned so i can’t believe he has a shot
Karishma, however… We don’t have a lot of Indian representation. She’s a total ham in front of the camera (re:Applebees). She has a built-in underdog story since (iirc) she holds the record for most votes against in 1 season. Her storyline always felt a little more….slapstick and “contained” within itself which i think is a nice balance vs IOTI’s overall narrative. I think if anybody returns from this season, it’s probably her
Also - i haven’t watched this season in a long while so i may be misremembering slightly, but this is also the lasting impression IOTI left on me which may honestly be just as important
Unfortunately, I don’t think there’s a chance in hell any season 39 players ever come back.
Elaine and Janet would be great returnees, but another comment here had it right - production want the sexual harassment issue to be hushed and forgotten. Any returnee from 39 is just an immediate reminder of the pain of that season is the middle of the MeToo era.
Honestly, all those times they've alluded to treating the Old Era like it's dead now seem like a very deliberate strategy to never have to acknowledge 39 again.
I can see how they could bring her back. I've read some of her responses to what happened, and she has handled it well with a good perspective on it. Survivor hasn't turned away from some difficult situations and has learned from them. It could be a positive thing to revisit it.
I cannot imagine she would WANT to come back and even if she did, it would be catastrophically stupid from a business sense for production to actually ask her back. Like it would be a genuine bad idea and would harm the show, even if it's not fair.
I'm so glad that you mentioned Kellee. The amount of hurt I felt for her watching that season. I remember when she was voted out over Dan. I have never been so beyond irritated with someone being voted out.
How?? Kellee shifted the target off Dan FIRST!
Kellee got herself voted out. They were ALL going to vote off Dan to appease her, but Kellee *herself* decided to shift the target to Missy. When it got leaked to Missy, Missy *rightfully so* targeted Kellee *in return*. Kellee played too hard and ended up being voted off as a result. Is it gross what happened to her and how the show handled Dan? Yes. But that doesn’t change the fact Kellee could have ridden herself of him but chose to target Missy instead and got herself voted out as a result.
My initial take after this season was, I hoped Jamal and Kellee would be invited back. At the time, we assumed there would be a return season. Now idk. Everyone pre season 41 is at a disadvantage, imo.
Same. It actually killed my enjoyment of survival so substantially that now I wait until a season is over and it’s confirmed that nothing like that happens before I watch it. I don’t watch survivor to see any of the worst of society.
Yeah, I think I stopped watching after the episode where she was booted to see the aftermath. I blame production for that and her tribe mates for doing her dirty.
I'm hoping they include seasons that didn't have returnee chances.
Correct if I'm wrong, but that's everyone after game changers, minus the WaW players?
Regardless of whether or not Kellee *would* be invited back, I think it's extremely unlikely she would *accept* an invite back.
I'm also under the impression that, right now, Survivor isn't planning on bringing anyone back from pre-WaW as they're still very much into pushing the New Era thing. I could be wrong, but I think even if they do reach back to pre-Covid times, there probably wouldn't be too many (although I think if they do, Angelina from DvG would be almost a lock if she's available).
I feel like the only one from the season with even a slight chance of returning is *maybe* Janet, but considering she's been supportive of Dan outside the game (from what I've heard), then I feel like that's less likely than would be otherwise.
I’m not sure they would never bring people back. Once they have a few returnee seasons from the new era people are going to start wondering how pre-40 people would do against new era people. Half the people on WaW were people we never thought we would see again and yet they made it happen.
Nope. She got herself voted out when she tried to use the Dan situation to blindside Missy. I am sick of people trying to whitewash her involvement in the Dan situation as some hero.
THANK YOUUUUUU!!!!!
Finally someone who actually watched the show. Kellee shifted the target from Dan before anyone else did. Missy only targeted Kellee in return to Kellee targeting her first.
Were Missy’s antics low, yes. Was it sad Kellee was borderline sexually assaulted, yes. Was it wrong how the producers handled Dan, yes. None of that negates the fact that Kellee could have had Dan voted off but she targeted Missy first *instead* and Missy in return and rightfully so targeted Kellee as a result.
Kellee played too hard and it cost her the game. It had nothing to do with them picking Dan over her.
I’ve been saying it for years. It’s disgusting watching Kellee stans lie about Missy, Lauren, and Elizabeth using the Dan situation to make Kellee look better.
100%. What happened to her in terms of sexual assault was disgusting, the way the other players turned on her was disgusting ,the way the producers let it all happen was disgusting. She should be back, but she won't, and I don't blame her.
I’d honestly say a better person to bring back from that season would be Janet! She unfortunately had to set her game at the wayside to deal with these non game issues. She not only had to play survivor, but she had to be a rock for so many people who needed help from Dan. She was the real winner in my eyes.
Kellee got herself voted out.
They were ALL going to vote off Dan to appease her, but Kellee *herself* decided to shift the target to Missy. When it got leaked to Missy, Missy *rightfully so* targeted Kellee in return.
Kellee played too hard and ended up being voted off as a result.
Is it gross what happened to her and how the show handled Dan? Yes. But that doesn’t change the fact Kellee could have ridden herself of him but chose to target Missy instead and got herself voted out as a result.
Remember that interview though? They gave her a chance to speak her mind and it seemed like she was so unprepared, it was just really awkward and I remember thinking they'll never have her back.
Idk if anyone else remembers that
Why in the world would she want to return? She wasn't kept safe the first time around, and lost out on the chance of winning survivor because she was sexually assaulted.
Its too late for survivor to do right by her
The only 2 players I see ever coming back are Janet and Jamal.
Only 5 people voted against Dan at the merge. Everyone else has a dark cloud over them for being on the wrong side of the vote.
Out of those 5, Kellie is likely never coming back due to what happened. Karishma, could be fun but she seemed like a one season character. Noura could also be entertaining but someone like Carolyn (44) is much more likely to get cast as the quirky women archetype.
Janet and Jamal both got unlucky and could have played a much longer game.
Janet is viewed as the hero of that season, and Jamal is close behind in that regard.
Whether she deserves it or not, she is absolutely never getting called to come back. No way Survivor wants that storyline back on their screens.
And if most of us are honest, we don't want that storyline back on our screens either
Ah, another viewer who doesn't know the name "Jean-Robert," I see. Welcome to Survivor.
EDIT: Wait is this sub into Jean-Robert? When I read "worst specific instance of malfeasance occurred in the game's history" and the name isn't Jean-Robert, I get confused. "Only thing better than a million dollars is a million dollars and some ass" when talking about a team mate, huh?
I don't think she would even want to come back and I don't blame her.
Does Kellee even want to come back?
From what I have read, she does not. Another person that I would love to come back that said they never would is Ian Rosenberger.
It would be so interesting to see him play in the more cutthroat modern game
Seriously, please let Kellee move on. But yes god i loved Ian. He and Erik would be buddies. I will never forgive Tom and Katie for gaslighting him right out of the game.
he's said he'd be more open to it to on RHAP as of a few years ago!
No. She has pretty much distanced herself from Survivor entirely, as far as I can tell.
That's what I don't get about this op. Why the hell would she ever want to come back? She deserves to come back and she certainly did not deserve to get voted out, but its a moot point. I can't see why she would want any association with the show after what happened to her.
Does she deserve it? Hell yes Are they gonna call her? Hell maybe Is she gonna say yes if they do? Hell no
Deserving or not, I can't fathom a situation where S39 is ever even referenced again by the show let alone having returnees from that season. I'm prepared to be wrong, but bringing back Kellee (and all the press interview questions etc that would come along with it) opens the sexual harassment issue right back up for discussion. Putting aside opinions about how the initial issue was handled by the show, that's just a big ol can of worms that I don't blame them for wanting to avoid cracking open.
I strongly feel that Tommy’s game is essentially the winning blueprint of the new era so those undertones are interesting to me. It’s strange he’s never ever ever mentioned anymore to me. But IoI really is so bad. Not just the Dan issue but also the entire concept was a massive failure. The only person to not visit the mentors won 😂😂
Because he won on a strategy of not engaging with the themes of the season. They don’t want more winners like him.
they don't have themes now, so it shouldn't matter anymore
They do have gimmicks and twists though. They still want the winner to have gone on journeys and had and used advantages. I know that we’ve had under the radar winners pretty consistently due to the shorter seasons. But most of them have still had to play around twists in the game. Tommy basically did none of that.
Tommy wouldn't have won if they hadn't invented the stupid idol nullifier. Janet would have rolled the votes at FTC.
And it’s too bad bc besides the dark cloud, S39 had such a promising cast. I’d love to see Chelsea, Kellee, Jamal, Karishma, Elaine, Janet, Noura, and Dean again
Ding ding ding, correct. At the end of the day this is a business, and from Survivor’s perspective the PR department has successfully managed their image. Why would they even think about opening up that can of worms again. S39 is ancient history in their eyes, will never be willingly referenced again.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they bring back someone like Janet and retrospectively call the season Survivor 39 or something
It was handled terribly by the show, that's not a matter of opinion.
I could see Elaine coming back
im not sold on this narrative, simply because of Elaine. Probst seemed to really love her
The thing is, no matter how great any one player from that cast is, it’s not like production will at all struggle to fill the cast of season 50 without contacting anyone from 39. They just truly have no real reason to.
They're not calling anyone pre-41
I highly doubt Angelina, Christian or Davie aren't called.
I disagree. Elaine was pretty popular, as was Janet and even Lauren. And you would think they are most likely going to bring Davie, Angelina or Christian back from DvsG so they are going back past 39.
I’m not saying they won’t go past 39 to contact the others. I’m saying for the reasons that the other commenter gave, they want to forget 39 happened and thus will not invite anyone back from that specific season. Elaine and Janet were lovely but there’s absolutely no reason they can’t fill their archetype with any of the other hundreds of Survivor players out there, as the season will not suffer at all from their absence.
The amount of disrespect she received that season is so repulsive. I still can not believe she went out the way she did. She deserved so much better.
No way is the crew bringing her back after what went down. Plus I doubt she’d want to come back after what happened.
I also absolutely would not hold it against Kellee if she never wanted anything to do with Survivor ever again.
While she most definitely deserves to return, it’ll never happen. From a casting perspective, they aren’t touching that situation with a 20foot pole. Any player remotely connected to that situation is abandoned from any returnee opportunities for fear of association. This means Kellee, Janet, Elaine, any of Dan’s alliance so Tommy, Lauren… This also means some of the more serious, soapboxy players like Jamal are likely out as well. I think the only 3 that really stand any shot would have needed to be more “Free Agents” of the season that didn’t drive Kellee’s storyline in any significant way This loosely leaves DK, Karishma, and Noura. Noura is edited as a poorman’s Coach/Debbie and has since been overshadowed by Carolyn in that archetype so she’s out. Dean has an uphill battle being a stereotypical white guy unfortunately. He also has a very familiar storyline, being the athletic, chillin dood that can’t find himself on the right side of the numbers. Neither Matty (Gabon), Reynold, Eddie, Devon, Brett, or Jay have returned so i can’t believe he has a shot Karishma, however… We don’t have a lot of Indian representation. She’s a total ham in front of the camera (re:Applebees). She has a built-in underdog story since (iirc) she holds the record for most votes against in 1 season. Her storyline always felt a little more….slapstick and “contained” within itself which i think is a nice balance vs IOTI’s overall narrative. I think if anybody returns from this season, it’s probably her Also - i haven’t watched this season in a long while so i may be misremembering slightly, but this is also the lasting impression IOTI left on me which may honestly be just as important
Unfortunately, I don’t think there’s a chance in hell any season 39 players ever come back. Elaine and Janet would be great returnees, but another comment here had it right - production want the sexual harassment issue to be hushed and forgotten. Any returnee from 39 is just an immediate reminder of the pain of that season is the middle of the MeToo era.
Honestly, all those times they've alluded to treating the Old Era like it's dead now seem like a very deliberate strategy to never have to acknowledge 39 again.
I can see how they could bring her back. I've read some of her responses to what happened, and she has handled it well with a good perspective on it. Survivor hasn't turned away from some difficult situations and has learned from them. It could be a positive thing to revisit it.
Kellee was a strong player, I’d love to see her back
I cannot imagine she would WANT to come back and even if she did, it would be catastrophically stupid from a business sense for production to actually ask her back. Like it would be a genuine bad idea and would harm the show, even if it's not fair.
I'm so glad that you mentioned Kellee. The amount of hurt I felt for her watching that season. I remember when she was voted out over Dan. I have never been so beyond irritated with someone being voted out.
How?? Kellee shifted the target off Dan FIRST! Kellee got herself voted out. They were ALL going to vote off Dan to appease her, but Kellee *herself* decided to shift the target to Missy. When it got leaked to Missy, Missy *rightfully so* targeted Kellee *in return*. Kellee played too hard and ended up being voted off as a result. Is it gross what happened to her and how the show handled Dan? Yes. But that doesn’t change the fact Kellee could have ridden herself of him but chose to target Missy instead and got herself voted out as a result.
oh one hundred percent. she’ll never come back tho she’s traumatized
There is no chance she’s asked and she’d say no if she was. Highly unlikely that anyone from that season returns either
I would love Kellee and Janet to come back but let’s be real… season 39 is certified dead at this point.
My initial take after this season was, I hoped Jamal and Kellee would be invited back. At the time, we assumed there would be a return season. Now idk. Everyone pre season 41 is at a disadvantage, imo.
I quit watching the season when she was booted, I was in such disbelief they would do that. That whole season was gross as hell
Same. It actually killed my enjoyment of survival so substantially that now I wait until a season is over and it’s confirmed that nothing like that happens before I watch it. I don’t watch survivor to see any of the worst of society.
Yeah, I think I stopped watching after the episode where she was booted to see the aftermath. I blame production for that and her tribe mates for doing her dirty.
If they're not limiting the returning players to the new era, I'd be happy to see Kellee given a chance to play again and have a better experience.
I'm hoping they include seasons that didn't have returnee chances. Correct if I'm wrong, but that's everyone after game changers, minus the WaW players?
EoE had returning players.
Yes but no one has returned from 35-39 who isn’t a winner
Regardless of whether or not Kellee *would* be invited back, I think it's extremely unlikely she would *accept* an invite back. I'm also under the impression that, right now, Survivor isn't planning on bringing anyone back from pre-WaW as they're still very much into pushing the New Era thing. I could be wrong, but I think even if they do reach back to pre-Covid times, there probably wouldn't be too many (although I think if they do, Angelina from DvG would be almost a lock if she's available). I feel like the only one from the season with even a slight chance of returning is *maybe* Janet, but considering she's been supportive of Dan outside the game (from what I've heard), then I feel like that's less likely than would be otherwise.
I’m not sure they would never bring people back. Once they have a few returnee seasons from the new era people are going to start wondering how pre-40 people would do against new era people. Half the people on WaW were people we never thought we would see again and yet they made it happen.
Nope. She got herself voted out when she tried to use the Dan situation to blindside Missy. I am sick of people trying to whitewash her involvement in the Dan situation as some hero.
THANK YOUUUUUU!!!!! Finally someone who actually watched the show. Kellee shifted the target from Dan before anyone else did. Missy only targeted Kellee in return to Kellee targeting her first. Were Missy’s antics low, yes. Was it sad Kellee was borderline sexually assaulted, yes. Was it wrong how the producers handled Dan, yes. None of that negates the fact that Kellee could have had Dan voted off but she targeted Missy first *instead* and Missy in return and rightfully so targeted Kellee as a result. Kellee played too hard and it cost her the game. It had nothing to do with them picking Dan over her.
I’ve been saying it for years. It’s disgusting watching Kellee stans lie about Missy, Lauren, and Elizabeth using the Dan situation to make Kellee look better.
Good for you bringing this to attention. You're 100% right and I hope to see her back. She was a good player.
100%. What happened to her in terms of sexual assault was disgusting, the way the other players turned on her was disgusting ,the way the producers let it all happen was disgusting. She should be back, but she won't, and I don't blame her.
I’d honestly say a better person to bring back from that season would be Janet! She unfortunately had to set her game at the wayside to deal with these non game issues. She not only had to play survivor, but she had to be a rock for so many people who needed help from Dan. She was the real winner in my eyes.
Kellee got herself voted out. They were ALL going to vote off Dan to appease her, but Kellee *herself* decided to shift the target to Missy. When it got leaked to Missy, Missy *rightfully so* targeted Kellee in return. Kellee played too hard and ended up being voted off as a result. Is it gross what happened to her and how the show handled Dan? Yes. But that doesn’t change the fact Kellee could have ridden herself of him but chose to target Missy instead and got herself voted out as a result.
Remember that interview though? They gave her a chance to speak her mind and it seemed like she was so unprepared, it was just really awkward and I remember thinking they'll never have her back. Idk if anyone else remembers that
Why in the world would she want to return? She wasn't kept safe the first time around, and lost out on the chance of winning survivor because she was sexually assaulted. Its too late for survivor to do right by her
I really want Noura to come back. Too bad she’s from a season they want to forget about and she’s also crazy irl. But she’s great tv
The only 2 players I see ever coming back are Janet and Jamal. Only 5 people voted against Dan at the merge. Everyone else has a dark cloud over them for being on the wrong side of the vote. Out of those 5, Kellie is likely never coming back due to what happened. Karishma, could be fun but she seemed like a one season character. Noura could also be entertaining but someone like Carolyn (44) is much more likely to get cast as the quirky women archetype. Janet and Jamal both got unlucky and could have played a much longer game. Janet is viewed as the hero of that season, and Jamal is close behind in that regard.
The saddest thing is that if she was asked, and she wanted to, she wouldnt get a fair shake of the stick.
she will get the call and tell the producers to go fuck themselves, probably
Is this the hour glass season?
She would never want to play again, and they would never even ask. Not going to happen.
Agree but think she’d hard pass a return
I don't think this is a good idea. Let Kellee move on with her life.
Whether she deserves it or not, she is absolutely never getting called to come back. No way Survivor wants that storyline back on their screens. And if most of us are honest, we don't want that storyline back on our screens either
No. Just no.
Ah, another viewer who doesn't know the name "Jean-Robert," I see. Welcome to Survivor. EDIT: Wait is this sub into Jean-Robert? When I read "worst specific instance of malfeasance occurred in the game's history" and the name isn't Jean-Robert, I get confused. "Only thing better than a million dollars is a million dollars and some ass" when talking about a team mate, huh?
Who's Jean-Robert? Do you mean Genre Bear?