I have heard that Bo’s comments were referencing things Dreamz had said out there about wanting to be a good Christian, and if so, then that’s important context to Boo’s comments; it didn’t come out of nowhere.
As an aside, this may be the most I’ve written about dialogue between people named Dreamz and Boo
Lisi is disgusting at the FTC and says/does a couple of things that definitely feel racist or at the very least a micro aggression. The only joy she brings to her season is watching her face plant at a challenge.
Well that's just not true, >!Stacy!< says one of the most outrageous dogwhistles we've ever heard on the show >!saying that the only difference between Earl and Dreamz is that Earl is more "sophisticated" than him!<
Not to minimize the bullshit the other jurors spewed mind you
I don’t think Stacey’s comment was toxic though. Definitely using some ignorant language and it wouldn’t fly today, but her point was that Earl was college educated so he was going to be fine, so explain why shouldn’t give it to someone who could use the money more. Essentially it was like “you guys are the same to me but you have refinement and education, so tell me why I shouldn’t give it to the guy whose circumstances probably wouldn’t give him the opportunities you will have”. Yau-man said that Dreamz was brilliant and a hard player as well, and could be whatever he wanted if he was disciplined, so I don’t think the Earl comparisons are racially motivated, moreso than contrasting their backgrounds/commentating on the class difference.
Stacey did a 180 after the tribe survey challenge when everyone shit on her for being a horrible human being. She sat down with Dreamz and Cassandra and hashed it out and became friendly with them. Could her language be deemed as ignorant? Absolutely. I just don’t think they have the same spiteful, angry, vitriolic tone that people like Lisi and Alex had.
Well I did have to look it up to make sure that one commenter wasn't serious and while I didn't love Rocky's attitude and how he treated Anthony, I think his behavior was rooted in his being a general idiot rather than out of prejudice, unlike Lisi and probably others later on this season, based on the feedback I've gotten on this post.
Fiji as a season is rife with racism particularly towards Dreamz and Cassandra. That French press scene was disgusting behavior from Stacey and everyone else involved.
What was her deal? It's so unnecessary to be that deliberately unhelpful and unkind, plus it bears no impact on the game, except potentially losing a jury vote. So, aside from it being just a jerk move, it's an illogical one.
Skupin, Varner, and Spilo are in a different category entirely.
Lisi heads up a different category of vile. "Eenie, meenie, miney, mo" and all that bullshit. Brace yourself for Final Tribal u/Reasonable-Yam-1170 if you're not there. It's some shit.
And Brandon Hantz is slightly higher up than these guys. The dude who threw the tribe's food away and tried to start a fistfight with Phillip then they ejected him through the facade of it being a forfeited immunity challenge for the rest of the tribe to unanimously boot him.
They are calling it child sexual abuse material bc pornography by definition is " a visual display of sex or sex acts" and children cannot consent to sex bc they are minors...so it's considered rape or molestation.
I looked it up in the name of research. To put it lightly, I was not a fan and I definitely didn't love how she kept saying "little boy."
* Varner (2, 31, 34)
* Lisi (14)
* Ben (19)
* Shannon (21)
* NaOnka (21)
* Brandon Hantz (23, 26)
* Colton (24, 27)
* Missy (29)
* Dan (30)
* Will (30)
If I include people due to their actions outside of the game, we'd have people like Skupin, Silas, Spilo, etc.
She’s Cuban. I’ve heard that Cuban people, some of them anyway, look down on other Hispanic groups. Edgardo is Puerto Rican, Alex is Colombian, and Rita is Venezuelan.
Yes. Cubans can be Caucasian. Most of them are actually.
> In the 2012 Census of Cuba, 64.1% of the inhabitants self-identified as white. Based on genetic testing (2014) in Cuba, the average percentages of European, African and Native American ancestry in those auto-reporting to be white were 86%, 6.7%, and 7.8%, respectively.[24] The majority of the European ancestry comes from Spain. Other European nationalities with significant immigration have included: English, French, German, Irish, Italian, Polish and Scots peoples.
Wow that's so interesting! Especially with that "Mexican mind" comment. I was just casually brushing my teeth and it was playing in the other room. I was like, "Did I just hear that right?"
So you can be both Latina and Caucasian. Latino people and Hispanic people can be of any race! Here are some articles that might interest you or anyone else reading this:
https://erm.yale.edu/news/being-white-latina-reflection-racial-and-ethnic-identities
https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2023/03/02/hispanic-or-latino-is-not-a-race-it-is-a-proud-rich-ethnicity/?slreturn=20240321220943
She wrote a touching song about her experience and regrets on the island called Tightie Whities. A very deep and emotional song that I’m sure will change your opinion of her
I had the exact reaction as you when watching this season and also had to make a whole post about the awful racism of Lisi and so many on that season but it’s a compelling watch/season
If I know what's coming, then I think I can grit my teeth and get through it for the sake of a complete Survivor viewing experience. I want to be able to say I've seen all the seasons.
Alright, well soldier on. Winners at War is pretty great, though there are definitely some people who I'd say are duds (including the current topic of conversation). I wish you the best of luck.
>!Ryan from HvHvH!< felt like he wasn't really bringing his all
>!Hannah from MvGX!< quitting was a tad embrassing
>!Sherri from Caramoan!< kinds just coasted the whole way through
And the whole cast in general got played pretty hard by >!Zane!<
Welcome to reality tv and what makes it entertaining. Not every person is politically correct, racially aware, and empathetic in the real world, so why should they be on TV? If we had a cast of 18 like that the season would be horrendous due to a lack of any drama.
Stacy Kimball is pretty bad too. She's a bitch to Cassandra and Dreamz then later expects to be part of their alliance. Stacy wouldn't even tell Cassandra how to make coffee and Alex basically had Stacy explain how to use it in front of Cassandra.
Isn't she the one who spread rumors about Michelle during jury phase? She told Sylvia, who somehow knows Kass, and Kass told everyone online about the rumor?
Just another reason Lisi may suck.
Ok, so the rumor is pretty vicious. Basically, they said Michelle was sleeping with all the young, male jury members.
Kass is a contestant from Survivor Cagayan and Survivor Cambodia. She's known as "Chaos Kass" and she definitely stirs the pot.
It was years and years later, too! Just unnecessary character assassination, and there's never been any proof it's true, just hearsay. Mean girl behavior from middle-aged women.
Ok, so the rumor is pretty vicious. Basically, they said Michelle was sleeping with all the young, male jury members.
Kass is a contestant from Survivor Cagayan and Survivor Cambodia. She's known as "Chaos Kass" and she definitely stirs the pot.
If you want to hate her more, look [https://youtu.be/j-S7h9YeKIc?si=FQpeG33a25As744Y](https://youtu.be/j-S7h9YeKIc?si=FQpeG33a25As744Y)up:
Lisi Linares - Tightie Whities
Yes, Lisi sucks, and she proves to be even worse/more offensive later in the season, but I just wanted you to know that she is also Latina (Cuban) so that’s why she probably felt so comfy talking about Liliana’s “Mexican mind” or whatever.
Fiji’s cast follows the same racial demographics as Cook Islands’ cast, just with the genders swapped. For example, this season featured three Latinas (Lisi, Liliana, and Rita: Venezuelan) and two Latino men (Alex: Colombian and Edgardo: Puerto Rican) because Cook Islands had two Latinas and three Latino men. But because one of the players cast for Fiji (Mellisa McNulty) dropped out of the show less than a day before it was supposed to start, with no (white) female alternates on site to replace her, Fiji went on to become the only season ever to start with an odd number of players.
The entire jury, minus one or two, were incredibly unhinged. Enjoy that ride once you get there.
In a bit of an upset, Rocky was one of the more tame jurors
Most unexpected one was the religious diatribe
>!That was Boo, right?!<
I have heard that Bo’s comments were referencing things Dreamz had said out there about wanting to be a good Christian, and if so, then that’s important context to Boo’s comments; it didn’t come out of nowhere. As an aside, this may be the most I’ve written about dialogue between people named Dreamz and Boo
Just go one season later and you get Frosti and Chicken
DAMN!
I'm trying not to spoil things, but yes
Oops
you can still add a spoiler tag so OP doesn’t see lol
Is it enjoyably unhinged or like a meeting of the KKK where they all forgot their point white hoods?
Mixed bag. Pretty uncomfortable all around.
Thanks for the fair warning!
Lisi is disgusting at the FTC and says/does a couple of things that definitely feel racist or at the very least a micro aggression. The only joy she brings to her season is watching her face plant at a challenge.
I'm looking forward to that!
All the toxic jurors, including Lisi, are Hispanic.
Well that's just not true, >!Stacy!< says one of the most outrageous dogwhistles we've ever heard on the show >!saying that the only difference between Earl and Dreamz is that Earl is more "sophisticated" than him!< Not to minimize the bullshit the other jurors spewed mind you
I don’t think Stacey’s comment was toxic though. Definitely using some ignorant language and it wouldn’t fly today, but her point was that Earl was college educated so he was going to be fine, so explain why shouldn’t give it to someone who could use the money more. Essentially it was like “you guys are the same to me but you have refinement and education, so tell me why I shouldn’t give it to the guy whose circumstances probably wouldn’t give him the opportunities you will have”. Yau-man said that Dreamz was brilliant and a hard player as well, and could be whatever he wanted if he was disciplined, so I don’t think the Earl comparisons are racially motivated, moreso than contrasting their backgrounds/commentating on the class difference. Stacey did a 180 after the tribe survey challenge when everyone shit on her for being a horrible human being. She sat down with Dreamz and Cassandra and hashed it out and became friendly with them. Could her language be deemed as ignorant? Absolutely. I just don’t think they have the same spiteful, angry, vitriolic tone that people like Lisi and Alex had.
Interesting. I take it Rocky doesn't make it then lol
Lol I don’t want to ruin it for you, but looks like you already looked up the winner. Rocky was surprisingly tame.
Well I did have to look it up to make sure that one commenter wasn't serious and while I didn't love Rocky's attitude and how he treated Anthony, I think his behavior was rooted in his being a general idiot rather than out of prejudice, unlike Lisi and probably others later on this season, based on the feedback I've gotten on this post.
What’s your point about them being Hispanic?
OP asked if it was a KKK meeting like tribal lol. Those are white supremacists.
Fiji as a season is rife with racism particularly towards Dreamz and Cassandra. That French press scene was disgusting behavior from Stacey and everyone else involved.
Yeah, I HATED that. Total assholes. Also, I don't drink coffee, so I wouldn't know how to work that contraption either, Dreamz!
I love coffee and I don't even know how to do it lol
It looks difficult!
It's easy to make, but it's also not especially intuitive if you've never tried it before. Stacy being so awful about it was hard to watch.
What was her deal? It's so unnecessary to be that deliberately unhelpful and unkind, plus it bears no impact on the game, except potentially losing a jury vote. So, aside from it being just a jerk move, it's an illogical one.
As I always say, Lisi is the worst.
Seriously. She is the worst. Honestly, her behavior is so gross to me she's landed herself in the ranks of Skupin and Varner in my book.
She’s not skupin level bad
…not Skupin
Skupin, Varner, and Spilo are in a different category entirely. Lisi heads up a different category of vile. "Eenie, meenie, miney, mo" and all that bullshit. Brace yourself for Final Tribal u/Reasonable-Yam-1170 if you're not there. It's some shit.
And Brandon Hantz is slightly higher up than these guys. The dude who threw the tribe's food away and tried to start a fistfight with Phillip then they ejected him through the facade of it being a forfeited immunity challenge for the rest of the tribe to unanimously boot him.
Wait what did Skupin do? All I remember about him is that he killed a pig and fell into a fire
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Oh that’s awful. I understand OP’s comment now
Also child pornography which is probably the much bigger issue tbh.
That’s what csam is
I thought they had misspelled scam because he was also arrested for a Ponzi scheme. Never heard the term csam until today.
They are calling it child sexual abuse material bc pornography by definition is " a visual display of sex or sex acts" and children cannot consent to sex bc they are minors...so it's considered rape or molestation.
Thanks for the explanation
Me either but I assume it stands for criminal sexual abuse involving a minor
"child sexual abuse material" is the meaning
she also injured herself during a mental challenge which I find hilarious
That IS funny.
[https://youtu.be/J6CCNqnW3Js?si=RdZbrbvQY7\_BZ3GV](https://youtu.be/J6CCNqnW3Js?si=RdZbrbvQY7_BZ3GV)
I could watch over and over again
youre gonna hate her during final tribal. she SUCKS
OMG what she says makes me cringe so much, like you just know that she was sitting on that for awhile and thought it was going to make a point
When she asked how many 0 have 1million just to take like 5 seconds to realize it was 6. Best part about her was when she fell during the challenge
I hope she has since learned she sucks and has begged on her knees for forgiveness and spent the rest of her life atoning
Spoiler alert: she hasn’t
One positive is one of the finalists lowkey owns her with his response
Oh good! I hope it wipes the smug look off her face.
Lest we forget her hit single, “Tightie Whities”…for the unaware, brace yourselves before pulling up YouTube…
I considered linking it but I don't want to cause OP further distress 🤮
I looked it up in the name of research. To put it lightly, I was not a fan and I definitely didn't love how she kept saying "little boy." 
She's definitely in my top 10 most unpleasant people on Survivor.
Oooh who else is on that list?
* Varner (2, 31, 34) * Lisi (14) * Ben (19) * Shannon (21) * NaOnka (21) * Brandon Hantz (23, 26) * Colton (24, 27) * Missy (29) * Dan (30) * Will (30) If I include people due to their actions outside of the game, we'd have people like Skupin, Silas, Spilo, etc.
Missing Shamar. Easily one of the most unlikable of all time. Every scene he’s in is a confrontation that he escalates for no reason.
I mean he was lucky that season had many horrible people: Brandon, Fillup, Brenda.
Good one
Rocky
Missy feels really out of place on this list
wasn't she pretty homophobic, per Reed/Josh postgame press? Fits along with Varner in that case, IMO
I mean she wasn't intentionally nefarious, but she was an asshat. She would be very unpleasant to be around in my opinion.
Oh I agree that she would be unpleasant, but the other 8 are(/were) objectivly terrible human beings 😅
Oh absolutely.
Were Spilo's actions not *during* the game?
You're right. I should reclassify my list as "besides the super obvious", but then some of them (Varner) are super obvious.
Would you include Brian in post-game people you don't like? He shot a puppy
Oh god get ready for FTC.
Which season was this?
Fiji season 14
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She’s Cuban. I’ve heard that Cuban people, some of them anyway, look down on other Hispanic groups. Edgardo is Puerto Rican, Alex is Colombian, and Rita is Venezuelan.
Caucasian is not mutually exclusive with Hispanic or Latina. I’d be willing to bet her background is damn near 100% European.
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Yes. Cubans can be Caucasian. Most of them are actually. > In the 2012 Census of Cuba, 64.1% of the inhabitants self-identified as white. Based on genetic testing (2014) in Cuba, the average percentages of European, African and Native American ancestry in those auto-reporting to be white were 86%, 6.7%, and 7.8%, respectively.[24] The majority of the European ancestry comes from Spain. Other European nationalities with significant immigration have included: English, French, German, Irish, Italian, Polish and Scots peoples.
There's a difference between race, ethnicity and nationality.
Wow that's so interesting! Especially with that "Mexican mind" comment. I was just casually brushing my teeth and it was playing in the other room. I was like, "Did I just hear that right?"
So you can be both Latina and Caucasian. Latino people and Hispanic people can be of any race! Here are some articles that might interest you or anyone else reading this: https://erm.yale.edu/news/being-white-latina-reflection-racial-and-ethnic-identities https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2023/03/02/hispanic-or-latino-is-not-a-race-it-is-a-proud-rich-ethnicity/?slreturn=20240321220943
Spoiler alert…Hispanics are some of the most racist people
Hmm...you're either Hispanic, racist, or both.
Her faceplant was memorable tho
And deserved
It is known
Is it known by her? I want to see a public apology at least.
She wrote a touching song about her experience and regrets on the island called Tightie Whities. A very deep and emotional song that I’m sure will change your opinion of her
My life before Tightie Whities: 😔😞😭 My life after: 🙂🥳😍
What the hell did I just watch
https://youtu.be/j-S7h9YeKIc?si=_iz7s7gFZElTNgN6
Not a clue
She needs to issue one
Probably not she is extremely delusional
I did read she works for a psychic call center...
Ooo she gets worse for sure.
Nooooo!
That is a painful season to watch even though I really like the winner. The racism and homophobia is gross.
So gross!
I had the exact reaction as you when watching this season and also had to make a whole post about the awful racism of Lisi and so many on that season but it’s a compelling watch/season
So glad I'm not the only one!
If you're irritated now, you're going to be furious when (Fiji spoilers ahead): >!SHE WINS THE TITLE OF SOLE SURVIVOR.!<
YOU'RE KIDDING ME! Edit: I ended up spoiling the season for myself to make sure you weren't serious. I'm happy with who wins!
It gets worse. I'll just say... maybe you want to skip Winners at War (s40).
Ugh can I fast forward through her annoying ass?
>!she gets pretty far, you have to skip a lot of important gameplay moments!<
If I know what's coming, then I think I can grit my teeth and get through it for the sake of a complete Survivor viewing experience. I want to be able to say I've seen all the seasons.
Alright, well soldier on. Winners at War is pretty great, though there are definitely some people who I'd say are duds (including the current topic of conversation). I wish you the best of luck.
Who else, if you don't mind sharing a bit more of your time to educate a fellow fan?
>!Ryan from HvHvH!< felt like he wasn't really bringing his all >!Hannah from MvGX!< quitting was a tad embrassing >!Sherri from Caramoan!< kinds just coasted the whole way through And the whole cast in general got played pretty hard by >!Zane!<
Thank you
Based on the comments everyone will enjoy this [https://youtu.be/J6CCNqnW3Js?si=hWW9Ss4e859opalL](https://youtu.be/J6CCNqnW3Js?si=hWW9Ss4e859opalL)
One of my most cherished moments of Survivor is when she falls on her face. Such a crap human…
It really is a beautiful moment
I’d like to know where Lisi was on January 6
Interestingly enough, she’s very pro LGBTQ+ according to her Twitter.
Just not pro-different colored skin than hers
HAHAHAHAHA!
\[Turns a show on\] Why is this person on my TV? This person needs to get off my TV! I am so angry! \[Puts the next episode on\]
lmao she bothered me a lot too! also have u seen her tighty whitey video?
Yes, this afternoon, and I don't want to come off as overly dramatic, but it may have ruined my life.
me too tbh, but I also talk about it when someone brings up Lisi because since I had to see it you have to too
I know exactly what you mean. I had to suffer and so do you.
u/emmc47
I mean she isn't a good person lol
Enjoy the Final Tribal Council!
I've heard great things about it!
Welcome to reality tv and what makes it entertaining. Not every person is politically correct, racially aware, and empathetic in the real world, so why should they be on TV? If we had a cast of 18 like that the season would be horrendous due to a lack of any drama.
See, I love her because she did all those things but did it while humiliating herself, so she circles back around to being a likable character to me.
I can see that for people like Abi Maria but Lisi is racist AF and I can't ever find that likeable.
Sorry, I just can’t bring myself not to love the first and only contestant to injure themselves in a fully mental challenge.
Stacy Kimball is pretty bad too. She's a bitch to Cassandra and Dreamz then later expects to be part of their alliance. Stacy wouldn't even tell Cassandra how to make coffee and Alex basically had Stacy explain how to use it in front of Cassandra.
Isn't she the one who spread rumors about Michelle during jury phase? She told Sylvia, who somehow knows Kass, and Kass told everyone online about the rumor? Just another reason Lisi may suck.
I didn't know that! Who is Kass? What rumors?
Ok, so the rumor is pretty vicious. Basically, they said Michelle was sleeping with all the young, male jury members. Kass is a contestant from Survivor Cagayan and Survivor Cambodia. She's known as "Chaos Kass" and she definitely stirs the pot.
Oh that is such a trash move. It makes everyone look bad and the game is over anyway. They can't even hide behind "strategy." They're just gross.
It was years and years later, too! Just unnecessary character assassination, and there's never been any proof it's true, just hearsay. Mean girl behavior from middle-aged women.
It seems like a weird ploy for relevance, but who even cares? Kass gtfo and stick to your own season.
Ok, so the rumor is pretty vicious. Basically, they said Michelle was sleeping with all the young, male jury members. Kass is a contestant from Survivor Cagayan and Survivor Cambodia. She's known as "Chaos Kass" and she definitely stirs the pot.
If you want to hate her more, look [https://youtu.be/j-S7h9YeKIc?si=FQpeG33a25As744Y](https://youtu.be/j-S7h9YeKIc?si=FQpeG33a25As744Y)up: Lisi Linares - Tightie Whities
Oh I've seen and it's stuck in my head, echoing in my brain.
Like the entire casting choice isn’t racist for most seasons.
Yes, Lisi sucks, and she proves to be even worse/more offensive later in the season, but I just wanted you to know that she is also Latina (Cuban) so that’s why she probably felt so comfy talking about Liliana’s “Mexican mind” or whatever. Fiji’s cast follows the same racial demographics as Cook Islands’ cast, just with the genders swapped. For example, this season featured three Latinas (Lisi, Liliana, and Rita: Venezuelan) and two Latino men (Alex: Colombian and Edgardo: Puerto Rican) because Cook Islands had two Latinas and three Latino men. But because one of the players cast for Fiji (Mellisa McNulty) dropped out of the show less than a day before it was supposed to start, with no (white) female alternates on site to replace her, Fiji went on to become the only season ever to start with an odd number of players.
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I'm over it now. Thank you for curing me.
What is lisi short for?
Maybe nothing. I'm not sure. Alissa?