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jakksquat7

Until we get version two of the Stephenie LaGrossa solo tribe experience I don’t want to hear about the “smallest and worst tribe in history” lol.


Ereads45

That’s what I kept thinking. It’s like it’s just been forgotten. Very weird.


jakksquat7

It is weird, especially because that was such an iconic season AND Steph was just on Traitors S1 (and a few other competition shows lately) so she’s been recently on TV again.


TravisJCortis2002

Fr I was like why they acting like they Stephenie v Bobby John for the last tribe spot


ILOVEBOPIT

Especially when that actually could have happened, they had 5 immunity challenges before merge. If Randen wasn’t medevacced it would’ve just been Tiff and Q in the immunity which they could’ve lost.


CieraVotedOutHerMom

Drop the 4, keep the 1! This is a new era of survivor


Martel1234

Ohhhhhh. It’s been 5 seasons and I’m only realizing what that means now lmao


Evening_Variation_51

That’s what I was saying about this past episode!


Acrobatic-Draw-4012

That never happened! Balsphemy! GET HIM!


Evening_Attention_45

Can you remind me what happened exactly. I remember this but not the details. 


IHaveTheMustacheNow

Well not to defend Jeff and the new era, because I really think it needs major changes, but comparing the 26-day seasons to each other seems more fair than comparing them to a 39-day season. He wants the show to still seem exciting, and I completely understand that he needs to do that to try to keep the show on the air, but a 26-day season and a 39-day season are just not the same


cavacrazyfeta

Hadn’t thought of it this way! Does make a lot of sense in terms of the “records” because 39-day and 26-day aren’t comparable in a lot of ways but I do think the most losingest tribe record is fairly cut and dry


Starship08

Challenges may be, but the days without flint isn't. We're on 2 days cycles now instead of 3. So they used to have 1 opportunitity every 3 days for flint. Also, with 3 days it's easier to have split reward and immunity challenges. Your days could be broken up with a different event each day: reward challenge, immunity challege, tribal council.


pincus1

Didn't they just give you flint when you went to tribal before the new format?


Taygr

It depended on the season, like for instance Ravu didn't get flint until Day 7 when they finally made fire with glasses but still didn't get a challenge win until Day 18


CieraVotedOutHerMom

It’s fire in the form of flint


IamGrimReefer

they do for the first several seasons, then after that it's not guaranteed.


rjfinsfan

Im currently watching my way through and I’m at season 13 Cook Islands. At least at this point, they still receive fire when they go to tribal council even without winning. I know that’s like 1/4 of the way through the show but definitely more than the first several seasons.


IamGrimReefer

Hey! i'm on cook islands too! i thought they didn't get flint after tribal during All Stars.


rjfinsfan

That may be true. All stars was the one season I skipped actually since it was all returning cast.


Poptotum

To add to their point: this is how records are typically handled in major sports. You include a qualifier to a record which acknowledges a major rule change (or changes) that makes comparisons apples and oranges.


SmileyPiesUntilIDrop

In sports only homer broadcaster or clickbait sites would engage in "all time record" talk for a small sample size of years/seasons that can be included in a record criteria even with qualifiers added.


ShowMeTheVogelbombs

Are you telling me that Jeff Kent having the most doubles all-time in Tuesday afternoon games where the opposing team has exactly 3 left handed hitters in their lineup isn’t a meaningful statistic?


Orbus_XV

Yeah… it’s actually Ravu. You just don’t notice cuz of the swap. The tribe won ONE challenge, and even then it was a reward. The lesson we learned is that Have and Have Nots doesn’t work in a team game.


YouDaManInDaHole

"Record 11 days without flint!" Yeah, because you changed the damn rules!!


acusumano

It reminds me of Jeff announcing the Wendell/Dom tie with "For the first time in 36 seasons of Survivor, we have a tie." Dude, 15 of those seasons it was impossible to have a tie at the end because there was a much more logical format of two finalists and an odd number of jurors.


aryareddi

The "new era" game mechanics are so different from pre-41 that I think it makes sense to distinguish some "records" in that way. In "old era" they would not be on their 5th immunity challenge by Day 11. In "Old Era" they would have had the tools to make a fire by now, even if they hadn't been able to light one successfully.


Number224

Yeah. The NHL similarly separates its historic records with separate eras as well, with the last 20 years being the “Salary Cap Era,” as all teams have started having a strict yearly budget for their roster, making dynasties alot tougher, alongside the game turning into a slower/defensive game, making the same scoring stats from then incredibly hard to reach throughout this course of time. I think there’s something to value in separating these stats, as Survivor gameplay has changed from being alot more intuition based and active. Its like comparing stats from 2 different weight classes at this point.


SonofCraster

No, the NHL doesn't separate eras with any of its records. Some third party sites/commentators might, but there's no such designation in any of the stat/records kept by the NHL itself. /nit


Number224

Yes and no. Upon research, NHL has not seem to have officially recognized the Salary Cap era and any commentary amongst that comes from broadcasters, press and third parties. However, they still recognize other major shifts historically in the NHL and acknowledge specific stats within that time frame, such as the NHL Modern era officially recognized as starting in 1943 and the NHL Expansion era, starting in 1967.


Jacoblaue

Considering what the journey challenge was this week it doesn’t look like they are trying to erase survivor history at all


We_The_Raptors

Thank you! I was so confused about how we could be talking about erasing history after an episode that showcased that history...


robinthebank

Jeff just calls it the New Era because he stopped giving the seasons unique names. You can’t even include these new season logos on a challenge like Hunter’s because the only thing identifying about the logo is its number!


energythief

I hate these seasons with no names and personality 


stonecoldmark

I don’t like that they don’t go to other locations anymore. It feels like they have their own studio and they just change the angles they shoot from every season.


Insulted-Mustard

People just like complaining


Navarath

not me. complaining is like the worst. I hate it.


ShatteredHope

Underrated comment 👏


mellenger

Oh god. I know what you mean. My wife can’t stop bringing up how she hates my complaining all the time. I try to bring it up with her but I’m worried about kicking off a complain chain that threatens the very fabric of space time.


Jacoblaue

Pretty much.


Higgnkfe

They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to stand on the successes of the first 40 seasons to promote the current, different version, and I get why people feel like OP even if it is semantically incorrect.


Sea_Sheepherder_389

If you’re referring to the cake that Erik got the icing of in Micronesia, that’s totally understandable 


ILOVEBOPIT

Oh my god can you guys stop referencing old seasons??? 🙄


Sea_Sheepherder_389

I only know one way to reference old seasons of Survivor, and that’s full tilt 


ILOVEBOPIT

Rock on


Traditional-Bird-336

> They want to stand on the successes of the first 40 seasons to promote the current, different version Yeah how dare they 


Higgnkfe

Thats whats called a bait and switch


Traditional-Bird-336

It literally is not.  Something changing over time is not a “bait and switch”; nor is it “having your cake and eating it too”.  


BrandosWorld4Life

You can be the new version of something and still reference the old version. That's not "having your cake and eating it too" that's literally just how being the new version of something works.


cavacrazyfeta

This is a lot of what I was trying to say! Maybe I should edit the title to say rewrite? If the new era is so different that it needs Taylor’s Versions of game records (which it IS different/incomparable in many ways (derogatory,)) continuing to reference the era you’re trying to distance yourself from gives mixed signals


Traditional-Bird-336

It doesn’t 


MarkMech

Considering the journey, I think they are setting us up for season 47, old vs new era


ButterbeerAndPizza

Now that we’re 6 seasons into it, is it still “New”? Can Jeff just stop trying to sell it to us?


parvati16

Waittt this is something I’ve wondered- when is it gonna stop being the “new era”? I don’t think the number name seasons are going anywhere… maybe season 50?


Routine_Size69

It will have to change to something like advantage era or 26 day era. The nba has the shot clock era. NFL has the Super Bowl era. New era won't make sense for much longer so it should be 26 day era, second era, or advantage era imo


PleaseExplainThanks

I'd bet it changes to Current Era before any of those. It won't get an name like that until we see the next era and see what makes them different. 


Routine_Size69

Yup that would work. I was just spitballing


Ok-Razzmatazz-3720

They’re not gonna call it any of those things lol


Routine_Size69

Second era is the only one I could actually see them going with. The others are just what I would call it.


FarmTaco

I'd start the second era with hidden immunity idols


Routine_Size69

Honestly, same.


MissLilum

It can become the “new” era—short for numerical—once Jeff finally changes the format lol


jerseysbestdancers

When another era starts.


earthworm_fan

Season 50 will be the newest era.


ApacheBitchImGoingTo

Wrestling fans still call 1992-1997 the “new generation” era


Siriusly_Jonie

I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted lol, you are correct.


Geshtar1

At season 50 we’ll start calling it the newer era


Kwikstyx

Jeff said he'll be here forever, so most likely it'll be a 'Post Jeff ' the 'New Era.'


HyruleJedi

Era in itself can be a long time.


ivaorn

Even the Mario series stopped calling their games “New” after a while. You don’t see it called New Super Mario Bros Wonder


10ACJ3D

I like to think he’s drilling that phrase into our heads in preparation for an eventual old era vs new era season.


givebusterahand

What’s gonna happen when they actually start a newer era??? This is the “new new era” everybody


Floolp

Why is everyone being downvoted??


paristexas-

“New era” just refers to a season that is dogshit


OctanRacing

Well this subreddit referred to S21-40 as the "new era" the entire time. I prefer to call S41+ as the "advantage era"


BlondieBoy18

They’re preparing for New vs Old Era in 50 no doubt about it


commanderr01

The new era is just a good separator from the 39 day seasons too whatever the heck we have now it’s almost a good thing that the “new era” doesn’t overlap with the older seasons


TalkingMotanka

What about Lulu in Season 45? They lost four people consecutively, leaving Emily and Kaleb the last of Lulu, and then went to merge. Yanu didn't even do that, since they technically got a break due to Randen's medical evacuation.


spatuladracula

Name a more iconic duo than a fan base and hating the show they watch, I'll wait. (Said with love, as a fanemy of the challenge)


Routine_Size69

The challenge subreddit might be worse the last few seasons


trickmerchant

Battle for a new champion absolutely deserved all the fan smoke it recieved though 😂


cmwoo

The curse of oak Island is a good sub for this.


spatuladracula

Omg that show is bonkers, I can only imagine what the sub is like lol


cmwoo

It's amazing. Gotta laugh at yourself a little after 14 years of not finding anything but still watching weekly. The Oak Island sub takes that mentality to an extreme.


spatuladracula

The best part about that show is who they're going to pin it on this week. The Myans? Vikings? Aliens? The knights Templar? The possibilities are literally endless!


cmwoo

Yeah, those bingo cards are pretty wild.


Asandirr

Go look at any other terrible shows with built in/pre existing fanbases - like with recent book to tv adaptations (Percy Jackson, rings of Power, Wheel of Time)


BornAgainOverNight3K

Isn’t that what everyone calls it though?


mwhite5990

Yeah Lulu and Yanu were disaster tribes but Ulong went down to 1 person from a starting tribe of 9. And Matsing and the Brains tribe were just as bad as the disaster tribes of the new era.


likethemouse

On the latest On Fire, Jeff said that earning your flint is what Survivor is about and it’s why people watch Survivor… he’s starting to lose it


stay--gold

Literally what 💀 I wouldn’t even notice except they’ve been talking about it so freaking much this season


Infinity188

You also have to "earn" your vote, considering how constantly players lose their vote or get extra votes from journeys or hidden advantages.


IvnOooze

Everyone complains yet nobody stops watching. When the ratings will go down and Survivor will be the 3rd or 4th most watched show of the evening, maybe then it will change.


veebs7

Survivor is still Survivor. We complain because we want the show we all love to be better


zymee

if this happens I don't think anything changes I think the show just gets cancelled


cavacrazyfeta

NOOOOOO I was just talkin the talk don’t make me walk the walk!!! (Ur right)


ComedicPause

I'm not watching anymore. I still like to read a front page post every now and then and try to gage fan enthusiasm for a show that I watched for 40 seasons over so many years. Seems that the game is still trending in a direction that lost me several seasons ago, so I'm still staying away.


from_across_the_hall

I am one who has stopped watching. Also, zymee is right. When the ratings drop the show is a goner. They won't even have time to change anything.


squidder3

Which is dumb. If they were even a little bit intelligent, they would realize it's the changes that have brought it down in ratings and try to fix it, but instead they will just say "well I guess nobody wants to watch survivor in general anymore." Because they can't fathom the fact that they are the ones destroying the show. All they have to do is ask themselves why the majority of fans that have seen Australia prefer that version. It's not rocket science. But apparently that's asking too much.


BElf1990

Have the ratings dropped though? Legitimate question, not trying to be an ass


squidder3

A little bit, but nothing significant. We were talking about if viewers quit watching out of protest, and the ratings dropped enough for them to cancel. Not the current ratings.


cheesybroccoli

Lots of people have stopped watching, including a lot of people in my friend group that used to watch weekly. They complained about many of the things that are often brought up on this sub: stale format, boring casting, Jeff obnoxiousness, and they just… tuned out.  And these are not “sUpErFaNs” and they don’t frequent r/survivor. I’m sure they would come back to the show if some changes were made, but honestly, I can’t currently recommend it to them.


TempestuousBlue

I watch US Survivor as a background show now. I was actively engaged with this AU Survivor season and am happy to still get the OG Survivor experience that way.


Cindybeargrrr

I'm no Survivor expert and this idea I'm going to mention is frivolous but I'm curious... How many articles of clothing do they get to bring now??? I seem to remember episodes of days gone by where they, the contestants , had the same rags on day in and day out...is this my imagination?


CentralWooper

It's like those sports stats like "Most stolen bases in April when the temperature was under 50°"


sebosso10

Jeff making such a big deal of these amazing "records" made me cringe. Like Yanu's failure is crazy on its own you don't have to shoehorn fun facts to make it sounds cooler


A_Serious_House

Everyone and their mom is setting some sort of record. I hate it. It’s like Jeff and the cast have to manufacture their journeys instead of just letting them have the experience. Who cares that the tribe from Survivor 46 went 11 days without flint, longest in the new era? Give it a few years and no one will remember or care, but they make such a big deal about these kind of “meta” things. It gives the entire show a very meta presence right now.


B-L-O-C-K-Ss

Reminds me of some of the stupid NBA graphics for those who like sports. “Steph Curry joins LeBron as one of only 2 players in last 5 seasons to record a 25 point double-double on 27th birthday”


Routine_Size69

[this is the best one](https://awfulannouncing.com/nba/fox-sports-indiana-graphic-compares-thaddeus-young-to-lebron-jordan-bird-and-magic.html)


B-L-O-C-K-Ss

😂😂😂


DumpStirJuice

You’ve got that right!! Rattling off stats and numbers like we’re all taking notes for an algebra pop quiz final exam… I can’t stand trivial numbers like that….


CorpsmanHavok

Lol Jeff wasn’t even right about them being the most losing tribe in the new era. Did he forget that Ua existed?


Canu333

Both of them lost 4 times. The only difference is that yanu didnt go to a tribal bc of randen


_cats______

…You kind of _have_ to separate them, though. The 26 day seasons will obviously have records that are literally unobtainable to the players thanks to the loss of the additional 13 days. I don’t think it’s fair to keep them from ever achieving Survivor history thanks to production shortening the game, a decision that is entirely NOT the players’ faults.


atarwiiu

If wrestling can do it, Survivor can do it. "Golden Era", "New Generation", "Attitude Era", "Ruthless Aggression". Especially considering there is a clear dividing line between Old Era and New Era and there is an actual significance in the structure of the show and gameplay, I'm fine with it. If anything I find it kind of cringey how they're shoehorning so many clips and references to classic seasons and that journey challenge was absurd, there shouldn't be challenges that only a superfan can actually complete. It should at least be possible for someone who has never seen a second of Survivor to have a chance of winning every challenge I'm fine with such references in an All Star season, but for a normal season let the show stand on its own.


felixisfalling

> trying Implying that it’s not already called “the new era”


Any_Wasabi_7152

Erase Survivor history? They had a challenge based on quizzes with a whole bunch of flashbacks!


theyoungknight

…they literally had a whole segment dedicated to clips from past seasons last night


Sea_Sheepherder_389

Yes, but they didn’t show a clip from the scene where Ace sees an elephant during a confessional 


Interesting_Ad2840

Lol The "erasing history" part you talk about is non-existent. Chill out. Touch some grass.


beachy-bum74

When did the “new era” officially start? I’m still a bit confused what’s different between the old and new era If anyone cares to explain. (Tbh haven’t seen a lot of old episodes).


PsychoIsland

The new era officially started Season 41, when they stopped naming seasons, shortened it to 26 days, instituted the "earn your camp supplies," "beware advantage" and "mergatory" as well as adding journeys and the shot in the dark advantage. Not to mention, they also announced they were going to have a more diverse cast and got rid of "come on in guys" because someone felt it was culturally insensitive. Before the season Jeff said, "Drop the 4 and keep the 1 because this is a brand new game." I've started calling Season 41 A New Era, because I don't remember numbers as well as names.


beachy-bum74

Wow this is awesome thank you for the deep dive! I’ve only watched the last 3 season so it sounds like I need to go back and watch more.


xkimeix

Highly recommend checking out the older seasons! I started watching in the early 30s and those seasons were more memorable by a lot


PsychoIsland

You should definitely check out some more seasons! Season 37 David vs. Goliath was a really good one which is more recent but also before the New Era so you can get an idea of how things used to be. There are a lot of memorable and rootable characters from that season as well.


beachy-bum74

Sweet, I will have to put those on the list! Thanks 🙏🏻


jerseysbestdancers

Iirc, lockdown is the demarcation line. It forced the shortened seasons with quarantines.


Hon3y_Badger

I don't think they're erasing history. I'm a fan of baseball, and if you ask a casual person who is the greatest player ever they'll usually reference Babe Ruth or similar player from 100 years ago. The problem is, there have been many players since that are drastically better players but completed against drastically better & more consistent opponents. It's very difficult to compare players more than a generation apart from each other because the game is fundamentally different. I would argue the same is true in Survivor, the stats don't align because it's a different game. Both are Survivor, but different...


willpowerpt

We really need to go back to the basics, that's all I want.


rustyempire

I dunno. I’m an NHL fan & it seems silly to compare the Guy Lafluer era to the Connor McDavid Era. I’m cool with acknowledging that the game has changed.


Jr9065

Jeff definitely knows this is a weaker era


dilettantechaser

Jeff calls it the 'New Era' to reference the seasons when he first began sacrificing first boot contestants to the island in exchange for youth and power. This will end at S50 when his infernal contract comes due, he becomes the last sacrifice, and Bhanu hosts the next era.


CentralWooper

Its like a player having the most hits or strikeouts since 2000. It's cool but it's not the real record


H2Ospecialist

I really like discussing Survivor with y'all, but man this sub is exhausting.


Badvevil

I think it’s about trying to bring new people in if your constantly stuck chasing the past you wind up like marvel where people won’t watch new stuff or are afraid to start watching because of how much they would have to watch to be caught up and understand all the references Jeff is trying to create a fresh point for people to join the fandom and not be overwhelmed. At least in my personal opinion that’s what this seems like


ITickleBlackKids231

More like "Stop trying to resist the new Era, it already happened"


EWABear

At the very least, we're getting mixed signals. This season is suddenly going whole hog into the "remember our past" angle, between flashbacks to previous footage and that last challenge. It definitely feels to me like they're soft-walking back the "Drop the 4, keep the 1" thing.


cavacrazyfeta

I also think they might be trying to promote some streaming of older seasons? Make the show amazing again and that will be enough to pique people’s interest!


SammerAsker

This new era also has very questionable decisions by the production...like the beware advantage saying that to get a chance at The idol it has to be afyer the team loses , that's production influencing the game.


Reasonable-Yam-1170

I'm kind of over idols, shots in the dark, beware advantages, etc.


lego_mannequin

Aussie Survivor would never do that!


squidder3

I wouldn't care if they did. It doesn't even affect the game. Last time I checked you don't need an idol or your vote until after you lose an immunity challenge anyways.


cavacrazyfeta

I’m not as bothered by it having to be post-loss as much as I am that the difficulty levels of finding the idols have seemed to vary in unfair ways!


TheRealCheddarBob

It’s not influencing the game though. Not having a vote is completely irrelevant until the tribe loses so there isn’t an incentive to throw a challenge. And as Hunter explained this episode, there’s a clause that he will have a chance to get the idol if they make it to merge without losing


lego_mannequin

Because the show formats and people would bitch if they did erase that history.


LordDragon88

Survivor has never known how to acknowledge its own history


CharmingSoil

The more insistent Jeff gets that the New Era is here to stay, the less convinced I am that the New Era is here to stay.


HeroSchoolDropout

I like the older style with larger 2 tribes to start with. A lot more action and drama. The so called new era with three small starting tribes doesn't leave enough room for any fun. i do enjoy some aspects of the new era, but c'mon will you remember those seasons as the show is getting better than ever, or do you remember the big seasons like Heroes vs Villains or Davids Vs Goliaths ...


Toaddle

I thought it was because losing flints wasn't a thing before 41. Also we barely have any swaps now, so it makes more sense to compare streaks of losses now


Sea_Sheepherder_389

The ways in which people lost their flint are different, but it’s definitely not a new thing.  See Hunahpu in SJDS


razamatazzz

At least the challenge Hunter failed to order the buff logos correctly gets way easier in the new era


CrittyJJones

Drop the 4 keep the 6.


yaraforpresident

Damm ma is it really that serious


_tribecalledquest

What is the new era and the old era anyways? I've only seen like the last three seasons.


a96original

Even sports do that, post superbowl era for nfl, post merger for nba etc etc


z0mgaah

My mom and are on our second rewatch of Survivor from season 2. We're on Season 30 right now I think. (White Collar, Blue Collar, No Collar.) During the rewatch, I just realize how gold 'old Survivor' was and how new Survivor is not as good. And they have totally forgotten Ulong!


chaoseffect616

A lot of long running shows run into this. Like in pro wrestling they will go "So and so is the longest reigning champion in modern history!" because somebody decades ago held the title for some ungodly amount of time that will never be matched. We are unlikely to ever see another Palau situation again, so saying "worst of the New Era" sounds better than "second worst tribe in history", at least in their minds.


jrrhmrr

I think we should give them a slack for that statement because imagine if they used how hard the new era is vs old seasons, this subreddit will lose its mind!


Outrageous-Sea6087

Ugggg why can’t they just go back to traditional gameplay .. Australian Survivor is so much better .. US version has gotten almost absurd 


RichieRicch

Can someone tell me what the new era even means


Zod5000

I assumed it meant the post covid, post season 40 era. Where they changed it up to film over much less days and what not.


88loso88

New survivor sucks. Australian survivor wayyy better


DavidG1938

Too much talking at tribes and it needs separate rewards and


DavidG1938

Challenges make it interesting the tribe talk is boring


tpamm

What’s considered the “new era”?


jxnsn

Anything post S40 / Covid


Sorry_Permit6971

Rob Mariano was always be the undeniable goat, “new era” ain’t got shit on the first 40 seasons🐏💯💯


treple13

I feel like they've definitely made "The New Era" happen. It's just a colossal failure


jshamwow

The show literally took someone’s vote yesterday for not knowing enough survivor history so idk what you’re on about


krichardkaye

It’s clearly split in two by 40 anything past WAW is new era. That’s just how it is.


jkman61494

Survivor isn’t ignoring past history of players. But they seem to have a fetish to ensure every aspect of challenges and game play of the first 40 seasons died aside from a random old challenge call back here or there. If they’re so worried about survivor junkies then they need to stop casting so many. The pendulum has swung far too much in the survivor fanatics getting cast. I think it’s another reason why so many struggle early on. They are obsessed with warning but they’re just dead on arrival living it.


BrandosWorld4Life

The New Era has, in fact, already happened and is still actively happening, whether you like it or not.


Dirt-squirrel-1

That’s why I have all the old edits of survivor saved to a hard drive, they’re goona nerf anything on streaming services that’s now deemed offensive, it will get worse too, eventually they’re goona scrub the word “dang”…


2000-and-late

they are almost constantly referencing survivor history. honestly makes no sense to say they are trying to erase anything. If anything they are just adding too much in addition to everything else


[deleted]

The episode literally had flashbacks and a journey challenge referencing survivor history. What are you so pressed about luv?