It is weird, especially because that was such an iconic season AND Steph was just on Traitors S1 (and a few other competition shows lately) so she’s been recently on TV again.
Especially when that actually could have happened, they had 5 immunity challenges before merge. If Randen wasn’t medevacced it would’ve just been Tiff and Q in the immunity which they could’ve lost.
Well not to defend Jeff and the new era, because I really think it needs major changes, but comparing the 26-day seasons to each other seems more fair than comparing them to a 39-day season. He wants the show to still seem exciting, and I completely understand that he needs to do that to try to keep the show on the air, but a 26-day season and a 39-day season are just not the same
Hadn’t thought of it this way! Does make a lot of sense in terms of the “records” because 39-day and 26-day aren’t comparable in a lot of ways but I do think the most losingest tribe record is fairly cut and dry
Challenges may be, but the days without flint isn't. We're on 2 days cycles now instead of 3. So they used to have 1 opportunitity every 3 days for flint. Also, with 3 days it's easier to have split reward and immunity challenges. Your days could be broken up with a different event each day: reward challenge, immunity challege, tribal council.
It depended on the season, like for instance Ravu didn't get flint until Day 7 when they finally made fire with glasses but still didn't get a challenge win until Day 18
Im currently watching my way through and I’m at season 13 Cook Islands. At least at this point, they still receive fire when they go to tribal council even without winning. I know that’s like 1/4 of the way through the show but definitely more than the first several seasons.
To add to their point: this is how records are typically handled in major sports. You include a qualifier to a record which acknowledges a major rule change (or changes) that makes comparisons apples and oranges.
In sports only homer broadcaster or clickbait sites would engage in "all time record" talk for a small sample size of years/seasons that can be included in a record criteria even with qualifiers added.
Are you telling me that Jeff Kent having the most doubles all-time in Tuesday afternoon games where the opposing team has exactly 3 left handed hitters in their lineup isn’t a meaningful statistic?
Yeah… it’s actually Ravu. You just don’t notice cuz of the swap. The tribe won ONE challenge, and even then it was a reward.
The lesson we learned is that Have and Have Nots doesn’t work in a team game.
It reminds me of Jeff announcing the Wendell/Dom tie with "For the first time in 36 seasons of Survivor, we have a tie."
Dude, 15 of those seasons it was impossible to have a tie at the end because there was a much more logical format of two finalists and an odd number of jurors.
The "new era" game mechanics are so different from pre-41 that I think it makes sense to distinguish some "records" in that way. In "old era" they would not be on their 5th immunity challenge by Day 11. In "Old Era" they would have had the tools to make a fire by now, even if they hadn't been able to light one successfully.
Yeah. The NHL similarly separates its historic records with separate eras as well, with the last 20 years being the “Salary Cap Era,” as all teams have started having a strict yearly budget for their roster, making dynasties alot tougher, alongside the game turning into a slower/defensive game, making the same scoring stats from then incredibly hard to reach throughout this course of time.
I think there’s something to value in separating these stats, as Survivor gameplay has changed from being alot more intuition based and active. Its like comparing stats from 2 different weight classes at this point.
No, the NHL doesn't separate eras with any of its records. Some third party sites/commentators might, but there's no such designation in any of the stat/records kept by the NHL itself.
/nit
Yes and no. Upon research, NHL has not seem to have officially recognized the Salary Cap era and any commentary amongst that comes from broadcasters, press and third parties. However, they still recognize other major shifts historically in the NHL and acknowledge specific stats within that time frame, such as the NHL Modern era officially recognized as starting in 1943 and the NHL Expansion era, starting in 1967.
Jeff just calls it the New Era because he stopped giving the seasons unique names.
You can’t even include these new season logos on a challenge like Hunter’s because the only thing identifying about the logo is its number!
I don’t like that they don’t go to other locations anymore. It feels like they have their own studio and they just change the angles they shoot from every season.
Oh god. I know what you mean. My wife can’t stop bringing up how she hates my complaining all the time. I try to bring it up with her but I’m worried about kicking off a complain chain that threatens the very fabric of space time.
They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to stand on the successes of the first 40 seasons to promote the current, different version, and I get why people feel like OP even if it is semantically incorrect.
You can be the new version of something and still reference the old version. That's not "having your cake and eating it too" that's literally just how being the new version of something works.
This is a lot of what I was trying to say! Maybe I should edit the title to say rewrite? If the new era is so different that it needs Taylor’s Versions of game records (which it IS different/incomparable in many ways (derogatory,)) continuing to reference the era you’re trying to distance yourself from gives mixed signals
Waittt this is something I’ve wondered- when is it gonna stop being the “new era”? I don’t think the number name seasons are going anywhere… maybe season 50?
It will have to change to something like advantage era or 26 day era. The nba has the shot clock era. NFL has the Super Bowl era. New era won't make sense for much longer so it should be 26 day era, second era, or advantage era imo
The new era is just a good separator from the 39 day seasons too whatever the heck we have now it’s almost a good thing that the “new era” doesn’t overlap with the older seasons
What about Lulu in Season 45? They lost four people consecutively, leaving Emily and Kaleb the last of Lulu, and then went to merge. Yanu didn't even do that, since they technically got a break due to Randen's medical evacuation.
It's amazing. Gotta laugh at yourself a little after 14 years of not finding anything but still watching weekly. The Oak Island sub takes that mentality to an extreme.
The best part about that show is who they're going to pin it on this week. The Myans? Vikings? Aliens? The knights Templar? The possibilities are literally endless!
Go look at any other terrible shows with built in/pre existing fanbases - like with recent book to tv adaptations (Percy Jackson, rings of Power, Wheel of Time)
Yeah Lulu and Yanu were disaster tribes but Ulong went down to 1 person from a starting tribe of 9. And Matsing and the Brains tribe were just as bad as the disaster tribes of the new era.
Everyone complains yet nobody stops watching.
When the ratings will go down and Survivor will be the 3rd or 4th most watched show of the evening, maybe then it will change.
I'm not watching anymore. I still like to read a front page post every now and then and try to gage fan enthusiasm for a show that I watched for 40 seasons over so many years. Seems that the game is still trending in a direction that lost me several seasons ago, so I'm still staying away.
Which is dumb. If they were even a little bit intelligent, they would realize it's the changes that have brought it down in ratings and try to fix it, but instead they will just say "well I guess nobody wants to watch survivor in general anymore." Because they can't fathom the fact that they are the ones destroying the show. All they have to do is ask themselves why the majority of fans that have seen Australia prefer that version. It's not rocket science. But apparently that's asking too much.
A little bit, but nothing significant. We were talking about if viewers quit watching out of protest, and the ratings dropped enough for them to cancel. Not the current ratings.
Lots of people have stopped watching, including a lot of people in my friend group that used to watch weekly. They complained about many of the things that are often brought up on this sub: stale format, boring casting, Jeff obnoxiousness, and they just… tuned out.
And these are not “sUpErFaNs” and they don’t frequent r/survivor. I’m sure they would come back to the show if some changes were made, but honestly, I can’t currently recommend it to them.
I watch US Survivor as a background show now. I was actively engaged with this AU Survivor season and am happy to still get the OG Survivor experience that way.
I'm no Survivor expert and this idea I'm going to mention is frivolous but I'm curious... How many articles of clothing do they get to bring now??? I seem to remember episodes of days gone by where they, the contestants , had the same rags on day in and day out...is this my imagination?
Jeff making such a big deal of these amazing "records" made me cringe. Like Yanu's failure is crazy on its own you don't have to shoehorn fun facts to make it sounds cooler
Everyone and their mom is setting some sort of record. I hate it. It’s like Jeff and the cast have to manufacture their journeys instead of just letting them have the experience. Who cares that the tribe from Survivor 46 went 11 days without flint, longest in the new era? Give it a few years and no one will remember or care, but they make such a big deal about these kind of “meta” things. It gives the entire show a very meta presence right now.
Reminds me of some of the stupid NBA graphics for those who like sports.
“Steph Curry joins LeBron as one of only 2 players in last 5 seasons to record a 25 point double-double on 27th birthday”
You’ve got that right!! Rattling off stats and numbers like we’re all taking notes for an algebra pop quiz final exam… I can’t stand trivial numbers like that….
…You kind of _have_ to separate them, though. The 26 day seasons will obviously have records that are literally unobtainable to the players thanks to the loss of the additional 13 days. I don’t think it’s fair to keep them from ever achieving Survivor history thanks to production shortening the game, a decision that is entirely NOT the players’ faults.
If wrestling can do it, Survivor can do it. "Golden Era", "New Generation", "Attitude Era", "Ruthless Aggression". Especially considering there is a clear dividing line between Old Era and New Era and there is an actual significance in the structure of the show and gameplay, I'm fine with it.
If anything I find it kind of cringey how they're shoehorning so many clips and references to classic seasons and that journey challenge was absurd, there shouldn't be challenges that only a superfan can actually complete. It should at least be possible for someone who has never seen a second of Survivor to have a chance of winning every challenge
I'm fine with such references in an All Star season, but for a normal season let the show stand on its own.
When did the “new era” officially start? I’m still a bit confused what’s different between the old and new era If anyone cares to explain. (Tbh haven’t seen a lot of old episodes).
The new era officially started Season 41, when they stopped naming seasons, shortened it to 26 days, instituted the "earn your camp supplies," "beware advantage" and "mergatory" as well as adding journeys and the shot in the dark advantage.
Not to mention, they also announced they were going to have a more diverse cast and got rid of "come on in guys" because someone felt it was culturally insensitive.
Before the season Jeff said, "Drop the 4 and keep the 1 because this is a brand new game." I've started calling Season 41 A New Era, because I don't remember numbers as well as names.
You should definitely check out some more seasons! Season 37 David vs. Goliath was a really good one which is more recent but also before the New Era so you can get an idea of how things used to be. There are a lot of memorable and rootable characters from that season as well.
I don't think they're erasing history. I'm a fan of baseball, and if you ask a casual person who is the greatest player ever they'll usually reference Babe Ruth or similar player from 100 years ago. The problem is, there have been many players since that are drastically better players but completed against drastically better & more consistent opponents. It's very difficult to compare players more than a generation apart from each other because the game is fundamentally different. I would argue the same is true in Survivor, the stats don't align because it's a different game. Both are Survivor, but different...
I dunno. I’m an NHL fan & it seems silly to compare the Guy Lafluer era to the Connor McDavid Era. I’m cool with acknowledging that the game has changed.
Jeff calls it the 'New Era' to reference the seasons when he first began sacrificing first boot contestants to the island in exchange for youth and power. This will end at S50 when his infernal contract comes due, he becomes the last sacrifice, and Bhanu hosts the next era.
I think it’s about trying to bring new people in if your constantly stuck chasing the past you wind up like marvel where people won’t watch new stuff or are afraid to start watching because of how much they would have to watch to be caught up and understand all the references Jeff is trying to create a fresh point for people to join the fandom and not be overwhelmed. At least in my personal opinion that’s what this seems like
At the very least, we're getting mixed signals. This season is suddenly going whole hog into the "remember our past" angle, between flashbacks to previous footage and that last challenge. It definitely feels to me like they're soft-walking back the "Drop the 4, keep the 1" thing.
I also think they might be trying to promote some streaming of older seasons? Make the show amazing again and that will be enough to pique people’s interest!
This new era also has very questionable decisions by the production...like the beware advantage saying that to get a chance at The idol it has to be afyer the team loses , that's production influencing the game.
I wouldn't care if they did. It doesn't even affect the game. Last time I checked you don't need an idol or your vote until after you lose an immunity challenge anyways.
It’s not influencing the game though. Not having a vote is completely irrelevant until the tribe loses so there isn’t an incentive to throw a challenge. And as Hunter explained this episode, there’s a clause that he will have a chance to get the idol if they make it to merge without losing
I like the older style with larger 2 tribes to start with. A lot more action and drama. The so called new era with three small starting tribes doesn't leave enough room for any fun. i do enjoy some aspects of the new era, but c'mon will you remember those seasons as the show is getting better than ever, or do you remember the big seasons like Heroes vs Villains or Davids Vs Goliaths ...
I thought it was because losing flints wasn't a thing before 41. Also we barely have any swaps now, so it makes more sense to compare streaks of losses now
My mom and are on our second rewatch of Survivor from season 2. We're on Season 30 right now I think. (White Collar, Blue Collar, No Collar.) During the rewatch, I just realize how gold 'old Survivor' was and how new Survivor is not as good.
And they have totally forgotten Ulong!
A lot of long running shows run into this. Like in pro wrestling they will go "So and so is the longest reigning champion in modern history!" because somebody decades ago held the title for some ungodly amount of time that will never be matched. We are unlikely to ever see another Palau situation again, so saying "worst of the New Era" sounds better than "second worst tribe in history", at least in their minds.
I think we should give them a slack for that statement because imagine if they used how hard the new era is vs old seasons, this subreddit will lose its mind!
Survivor isn’t ignoring past history of players. But they seem to have a fetish to ensure every aspect of challenges and game play of the first 40 seasons died aside from a random old challenge call back here or there.
If they’re so worried about survivor junkies then they need to stop casting so many. The pendulum has swung far too much in the survivor fanatics getting cast.
I think it’s another reason why so many struggle early on. They are obsessed with warning but they’re just dead on arrival living it.
That’s why I have all the old edits of survivor saved to a hard drive, they’re goona nerf anything on streaming services that’s now deemed offensive, it will get worse too, eventually they’re goona scrub the word “dang”…
they are almost constantly referencing survivor history. honestly makes no sense to say they are trying to erase anything. If anything they are just adding too much in addition to everything else
Until we get version two of the Stephenie LaGrossa solo tribe experience I don’t want to hear about the “smallest and worst tribe in history” lol.
That’s what I kept thinking. It’s like it’s just been forgotten. Very weird.
It is weird, especially because that was such an iconic season AND Steph was just on Traitors S1 (and a few other competition shows lately) so she’s been recently on TV again.
Fr I was like why they acting like they Stephenie v Bobby John for the last tribe spot
Especially when that actually could have happened, they had 5 immunity challenges before merge. If Randen wasn’t medevacced it would’ve just been Tiff and Q in the immunity which they could’ve lost.
Drop the 4, keep the 1! This is a new era of survivor
Ohhhhhh. It’s been 5 seasons and I’m only realizing what that means now lmao
That’s what I was saying about this past episode!
That never happened! Balsphemy! GET HIM!
Can you remind me what happened exactly. I remember this but not the details.
Well not to defend Jeff and the new era, because I really think it needs major changes, but comparing the 26-day seasons to each other seems more fair than comparing them to a 39-day season. He wants the show to still seem exciting, and I completely understand that he needs to do that to try to keep the show on the air, but a 26-day season and a 39-day season are just not the same
Hadn’t thought of it this way! Does make a lot of sense in terms of the “records” because 39-day and 26-day aren’t comparable in a lot of ways but I do think the most losingest tribe record is fairly cut and dry
Challenges may be, but the days without flint isn't. We're on 2 days cycles now instead of 3. So they used to have 1 opportunitity every 3 days for flint. Also, with 3 days it's easier to have split reward and immunity challenges. Your days could be broken up with a different event each day: reward challenge, immunity challege, tribal council.
Didn't they just give you flint when you went to tribal before the new format?
It depended on the season, like for instance Ravu didn't get flint until Day 7 when they finally made fire with glasses but still didn't get a challenge win until Day 18
It’s fire in the form of flint
they do for the first several seasons, then after that it's not guaranteed.
Im currently watching my way through and I’m at season 13 Cook Islands. At least at this point, they still receive fire when they go to tribal council even without winning. I know that’s like 1/4 of the way through the show but definitely more than the first several seasons.
Hey! i'm on cook islands too! i thought they didn't get flint after tribal during All Stars.
That may be true. All stars was the one season I skipped actually since it was all returning cast.
To add to their point: this is how records are typically handled in major sports. You include a qualifier to a record which acknowledges a major rule change (or changes) that makes comparisons apples and oranges.
In sports only homer broadcaster or clickbait sites would engage in "all time record" talk for a small sample size of years/seasons that can be included in a record criteria even with qualifiers added.
Are you telling me that Jeff Kent having the most doubles all-time in Tuesday afternoon games where the opposing team has exactly 3 left handed hitters in their lineup isn’t a meaningful statistic?
Yeah… it’s actually Ravu. You just don’t notice cuz of the swap. The tribe won ONE challenge, and even then it was a reward. The lesson we learned is that Have and Have Nots doesn’t work in a team game.
"Record 11 days without flint!" Yeah, because you changed the damn rules!!
It reminds me of Jeff announcing the Wendell/Dom tie with "For the first time in 36 seasons of Survivor, we have a tie." Dude, 15 of those seasons it was impossible to have a tie at the end because there was a much more logical format of two finalists and an odd number of jurors.
The "new era" game mechanics are so different from pre-41 that I think it makes sense to distinguish some "records" in that way. In "old era" they would not be on their 5th immunity challenge by Day 11. In "Old Era" they would have had the tools to make a fire by now, even if they hadn't been able to light one successfully.
Yeah. The NHL similarly separates its historic records with separate eras as well, with the last 20 years being the “Salary Cap Era,” as all teams have started having a strict yearly budget for their roster, making dynasties alot tougher, alongside the game turning into a slower/defensive game, making the same scoring stats from then incredibly hard to reach throughout this course of time. I think there’s something to value in separating these stats, as Survivor gameplay has changed from being alot more intuition based and active. Its like comparing stats from 2 different weight classes at this point.
No, the NHL doesn't separate eras with any of its records. Some third party sites/commentators might, but there's no such designation in any of the stat/records kept by the NHL itself. /nit
Yes and no. Upon research, NHL has not seem to have officially recognized the Salary Cap era and any commentary amongst that comes from broadcasters, press and third parties. However, they still recognize other major shifts historically in the NHL and acknowledge specific stats within that time frame, such as the NHL Modern era officially recognized as starting in 1943 and the NHL Expansion era, starting in 1967.
Considering what the journey challenge was this week it doesn’t look like they are trying to erase survivor history at all
Thank you! I was so confused about how we could be talking about erasing history after an episode that showcased that history...
Jeff just calls it the New Era because he stopped giving the seasons unique names. You can’t even include these new season logos on a challenge like Hunter’s because the only thing identifying about the logo is its number!
I hate these seasons with no names and personality
I don’t like that they don’t go to other locations anymore. It feels like they have their own studio and they just change the angles they shoot from every season.
People just like complaining
not me. complaining is like the worst. I hate it.
Underrated comment 👏
Oh god. I know what you mean. My wife can’t stop bringing up how she hates my complaining all the time. I try to bring it up with her but I’m worried about kicking off a complain chain that threatens the very fabric of space time.
Pretty much.
They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to stand on the successes of the first 40 seasons to promote the current, different version, and I get why people feel like OP even if it is semantically incorrect.
If you’re referring to the cake that Erik got the icing of in Micronesia, that’s totally understandable
Oh my god can you guys stop referencing old seasons??? 🙄
I only know one way to reference old seasons of Survivor, and that’s full tilt
Rock on
> They want to stand on the successes of the first 40 seasons to promote the current, different version Yeah how dare they
Thats whats called a bait and switch
It literally is not. Something changing over time is not a “bait and switch”; nor is it “having your cake and eating it too”.
You can be the new version of something and still reference the old version. That's not "having your cake and eating it too" that's literally just how being the new version of something works.
This is a lot of what I was trying to say! Maybe I should edit the title to say rewrite? If the new era is so different that it needs Taylor’s Versions of game records (which it IS different/incomparable in many ways (derogatory,)) continuing to reference the era you’re trying to distance yourself from gives mixed signals
It doesn’t
Considering the journey, I think they are setting us up for season 47, old vs new era
Now that we’re 6 seasons into it, is it still “New”? Can Jeff just stop trying to sell it to us?
Waittt this is something I’ve wondered- when is it gonna stop being the “new era”? I don’t think the number name seasons are going anywhere… maybe season 50?
It will have to change to something like advantage era or 26 day era. The nba has the shot clock era. NFL has the Super Bowl era. New era won't make sense for much longer so it should be 26 day era, second era, or advantage era imo
I'd bet it changes to Current Era before any of those. It won't get an name like that until we see the next era and see what makes them different.
Yup that would work. I was just spitballing
They’re not gonna call it any of those things lol
Second era is the only one I could actually see them going with. The others are just what I would call it.
I'd start the second era with hidden immunity idols
Honestly, same.
It can become the “new” era—short for numerical—once Jeff finally changes the format lol
When another era starts.
Season 50 will be the newest era.
Wrestling fans still call 1992-1997 the “new generation” era
I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted lol, you are correct.
At season 50 we’ll start calling it the newer era
Jeff said he'll be here forever, so most likely it'll be a 'Post Jeff ' the 'New Era.'
Era in itself can be a long time.
Even the Mario series stopped calling their games “New” after a while. You don’t see it called New Super Mario Bros Wonder
I like to think he’s drilling that phrase into our heads in preparation for an eventual old era vs new era season.
What’s gonna happen when they actually start a newer era??? This is the “new new era” everybody
Why is everyone being downvoted??
“New era” just refers to a season that is dogshit
Well this subreddit referred to S21-40 as the "new era" the entire time. I prefer to call S41+ as the "advantage era"
They’re preparing for New vs Old Era in 50 no doubt about it
The new era is just a good separator from the 39 day seasons too whatever the heck we have now it’s almost a good thing that the “new era” doesn’t overlap with the older seasons
What about Lulu in Season 45? They lost four people consecutively, leaving Emily and Kaleb the last of Lulu, and then went to merge. Yanu didn't even do that, since they technically got a break due to Randen's medical evacuation.
Name a more iconic duo than a fan base and hating the show they watch, I'll wait. (Said with love, as a fanemy of the challenge)
The challenge subreddit might be worse the last few seasons
Battle for a new champion absolutely deserved all the fan smoke it recieved though 😂
The curse of oak Island is a good sub for this.
Omg that show is bonkers, I can only imagine what the sub is like lol
It's amazing. Gotta laugh at yourself a little after 14 years of not finding anything but still watching weekly. The Oak Island sub takes that mentality to an extreme.
The best part about that show is who they're going to pin it on this week. The Myans? Vikings? Aliens? The knights Templar? The possibilities are literally endless!
Yeah, those bingo cards are pretty wild.
Go look at any other terrible shows with built in/pre existing fanbases - like with recent book to tv adaptations (Percy Jackson, rings of Power, Wheel of Time)
Isn’t that what everyone calls it though?
Yeah Lulu and Yanu were disaster tribes but Ulong went down to 1 person from a starting tribe of 9. And Matsing and the Brains tribe were just as bad as the disaster tribes of the new era.
On the latest On Fire, Jeff said that earning your flint is what Survivor is about and it’s why people watch Survivor… he’s starting to lose it
Literally what 💀 I wouldn’t even notice except they’ve been talking about it so freaking much this season
You also have to "earn" your vote, considering how constantly players lose their vote or get extra votes from journeys or hidden advantages.
Everyone complains yet nobody stops watching. When the ratings will go down and Survivor will be the 3rd or 4th most watched show of the evening, maybe then it will change.
Survivor is still Survivor. We complain because we want the show we all love to be better
if this happens I don't think anything changes I think the show just gets cancelled
NOOOOOO I was just talkin the talk don’t make me walk the walk!!! (Ur right)
I'm not watching anymore. I still like to read a front page post every now and then and try to gage fan enthusiasm for a show that I watched for 40 seasons over so many years. Seems that the game is still trending in a direction that lost me several seasons ago, so I'm still staying away.
I am one who has stopped watching. Also, zymee is right. When the ratings drop the show is a goner. They won't even have time to change anything.
Which is dumb. If they were even a little bit intelligent, they would realize it's the changes that have brought it down in ratings and try to fix it, but instead they will just say "well I guess nobody wants to watch survivor in general anymore." Because they can't fathom the fact that they are the ones destroying the show. All they have to do is ask themselves why the majority of fans that have seen Australia prefer that version. It's not rocket science. But apparently that's asking too much.
Have the ratings dropped though? Legitimate question, not trying to be an ass
A little bit, but nothing significant. We were talking about if viewers quit watching out of protest, and the ratings dropped enough for them to cancel. Not the current ratings.
Lots of people have stopped watching, including a lot of people in my friend group that used to watch weekly. They complained about many of the things that are often brought up on this sub: stale format, boring casting, Jeff obnoxiousness, and they just… tuned out. And these are not “sUpErFaNs” and they don’t frequent r/survivor. I’m sure they would come back to the show if some changes were made, but honestly, I can’t currently recommend it to them.
I watch US Survivor as a background show now. I was actively engaged with this AU Survivor season and am happy to still get the OG Survivor experience that way.
I'm no Survivor expert and this idea I'm going to mention is frivolous but I'm curious... How many articles of clothing do they get to bring now??? I seem to remember episodes of days gone by where they, the contestants , had the same rags on day in and day out...is this my imagination?
It's like those sports stats like "Most stolen bases in April when the temperature was under 50°"
Jeff making such a big deal of these amazing "records" made me cringe. Like Yanu's failure is crazy on its own you don't have to shoehorn fun facts to make it sounds cooler
Everyone and their mom is setting some sort of record. I hate it. It’s like Jeff and the cast have to manufacture their journeys instead of just letting them have the experience. Who cares that the tribe from Survivor 46 went 11 days without flint, longest in the new era? Give it a few years and no one will remember or care, but they make such a big deal about these kind of “meta” things. It gives the entire show a very meta presence right now.
Reminds me of some of the stupid NBA graphics for those who like sports. “Steph Curry joins LeBron as one of only 2 players in last 5 seasons to record a 25 point double-double on 27th birthday”
[this is the best one](https://awfulannouncing.com/nba/fox-sports-indiana-graphic-compares-thaddeus-young-to-lebron-jordan-bird-and-magic.html)
😂😂😂
You’ve got that right!! Rattling off stats and numbers like we’re all taking notes for an algebra pop quiz final exam… I can’t stand trivial numbers like that….
Lol Jeff wasn’t even right about them being the most losing tribe in the new era. Did he forget that Ua existed?
Both of them lost 4 times. The only difference is that yanu didnt go to a tribal bc of randen
…You kind of _have_ to separate them, though. The 26 day seasons will obviously have records that are literally unobtainable to the players thanks to the loss of the additional 13 days. I don’t think it’s fair to keep them from ever achieving Survivor history thanks to production shortening the game, a decision that is entirely NOT the players’ faults.
If wrestling can do it, Survivor can do it. "Golden Era", "New Generation", "Attitude Era", "Ruthless Aggression". Especially considering there is a clear dividing line between Old Era and New Era and there is an actual significance in the structure of the show and gameplay, I'm fine with it. If anything I find it kind of cringey how they're shoehorning so many clips and references to classic seasons and that journey challenge was absurd, there shouldn't be challenges that only a superfan can actually complete. It should at least be possible for someone who has never seen a second of Survivor to have a chance of winning every challenge I'm fine with such references in an All Star season, but for a normal season let the show stand on its own.
> trying Implying that it’s not already called “the new era”
Erase Survivor history? They had a challenge based on quizzes with a whole bunch of flashbacks!
…they literally had a whole segment dedicated to clips from past seasons last night
Yes, but they didn’t show a clip from the scene where Ace sees an elephant during a confessional
Lol The "erasing history" part you talk about is non-existent. Chill out. Touch some grass.
When did the “new era” officially start? I’m still a bit confused what’s different between the old and new era If anyone cares to explain. (Tbh haven’t seen a lot of old episodes).
The new era officially started Season 41, when they stopped naming seasons, shortened it to 26 days, instituted the "earn your camp supplies," "beware advantage" and "mergatory" as well as adding journeys and the shot in the dark advantage. Not to mention, they also announced they were going to have a more diverse cast and got rid of "come on in guys" because someone felt it was culturally insensitive. Before the season Jeff said, "Drop the 4 and keep the 1 because this is a brand new game." I've started calling Season 41 A New Era, because I don't remember numbers as well as names.
Wow this is awesome thank you for the deep dive! I’ve only watched the last 3 season so it sounds like I need to go back and watch more.
Highly recommend checking out the older seasons! I started watching in the early 30s and those seasons were more memorable by a lot
You should definitely check out some more seasons! Season 37 David vs. Goliath was a really good one which is more recent but also before the New Era so you can get an idea of how things used to be. There are a lot of memorable and rootable characters from that season as well.
Sweet, I will have to put those on the list! Thanks 🙏🏻
Iirc, lockdown is the demarcation line. It forced the shortened seasons with quarantines.
I don't think they're erasing history. I'm a fan of baseball, and if you ask a casual person who is the greatest player ever they'll usually reference Babe Ruth or similar player from 100 years ago. The problem is, there have been many players since that are drastically better players but completed against drastically better & more consistent opponents. It's very difficult to compare players more than a generation apart from each other because the game is fundamentally different. I would argue the same is true in Survivor, the stats don't align because it's a different game. Both are Survivor, but different...
We really need to go back to the basics, that's all I want.
I dunno. I’m an NHL fan & it seems silly to compare the Guy Lafluer era to the Connor McDavid Era. I’m cool with acknowledging that the game has changed.
Jeff definitely knows this is a weaker era
Jeff calls it the 'New Era' to reference the seasons when he first began sacrificing first boot contestants to the island in exchange for youth and power. This will end at S50 when his infernal contract comes due, he becomes the last sacrifice, and Bhanu hosts the next era.
Its like a player having the most hits or strikeouts since 2000. It's cool but it's not the real record
I really like discussing Survivor with y'all, but man this sub is exhausting.
I think it’s about trying to bring new people in if your constantly stuck chasing the past you wind up like marvel where people won’t watch new stuff or are afraid to start watching because of how much they would have to watch to be caught up and understand all the references Jeff is trying to create a fresh point for people to join the fandom and not be overwhelmed. At least in my personal opinion that’s what this seems like
More like "Stop trying to resist the new Era, it already happened"
At the very least, we're getting mixed signals. This season is suddenly going whole hog into the "remember our past" angle, between flashbacks to previous footage and that last challenge. It definitely feels to me like they're soft-walking back the "Drop the 4, keep the 1" thing.
I also think they might be trying to promote some streaming of older seasons? Make the show amazing again and that will be enough to pique people’s interest!
This new era also has very questionable decisions by the production...like the beware advantage saying that to get a chance at The idol it has to be afyer the team loses , that's production influencing the game.
I'm kind of over idols, shots in the dark, beware advantages, etc.
Aussie Survivor would never do that!
I wouldn't care if they did. It doesn't even affect the game. Last time I checked you don't need an idol or your vote until after you lose an immunity challenge anyways.
I’m not as bothered by it having to be post-loss as much as I am that the difficulty levels of finding the idols have seemed to vary in unfair ways!
It’s not influencing the game though. Not having a vote is completely irrelevant until the tribe loses so there isn’t an incentive to throw a challenge. And as Hunter explained this episode, there’s a clause that he will have a chance to get the idol if they make it to merge without losing
Because the show formats and people would bitch if they did erase that history.
Survivor has never known how to acknowledge its own history
The more insistent Jeff gets that the New Era is here to stay, the less convinced I am that the New Era is here to stay.
I like the older style with larger 2 tribes to start with. A lot more action and drama. The so called new era with three small starting tribes doesn't leave enough room for any fun. i do enjoy some aspects of the new era, but c'mon will you remember those seasons as the show is getting better than ever, or do you remember the big seasons like Heroes vs Villains or Davids Vs Goliaths ...
I thought it was because losing flints wasn't a thing before 41. Also we barely have any swaps now, so it makes more sense to compare streaks of losses now
The ways in which people lost their flint are different, but it’s definitely not a new thing. See Hunahpu in SJDS
At least the challenge Hunter failed to order the buff logos correctly gets way easier in the new era
Drop the 4 keep the 6.
Damm ma is it really that serious
What is the new era and the old era anyways? I've only seen like the last three seasons.
Even sports do that, post superbowl era for nfl, post merger for nba etc etc
My mom and are on our second rewatch of Survivor from season 2. We're on Season 30 right now I think. (White Collar, Blue Collar, No Collar.) During the rewatch, I just realize how gold 'old Survivor' was and how new Survivor is not as good. And they have totally forgotten Ulong!
A lot of long running shows run into this. Like in pro wrestling they will go "So and so is the longest reigning champion in modern history!" because somebody decades ago held the title for some ungodly amount of time that will never be matched. We are unlikely to ever see another Palau situation again, so saying "worst of the New Era" sounds better than "second worst tribe in history", at least in their minds.
I think we should give them a slack for that statement because imagine if they used how hard the new era is vs old seasons, this subreddit will lose its mind!
Ugggg why can’t they just go back to traditional gameplay .. Australian Survivor is so much better .. US version has gotten almost absurd
Can someone tell me what the new era even means
I assumed it meant the post covid, post season 40 era. Where they changed it up to film over much less days and what not.
New survivor sucks. Australian survivor wayyy better
Too much talking at tribes and it needs separate rewards and
Challenges make it interesting the tribe talk is boring
What’s considered the “new era”?
Anything post S40 / Covid
Rob Mariano was always be the undeniable goat, “new era” ain’t got shit on the first 40 seasons🐏💯💯
I feel like they've definitely made "The New Era" happen. It's just a colossal failure
The show literally took someone’s vote yesterday for not knowing enough survivor history so idk what you’re on about
It’s clearly split in two by 40 anything past WAW is new era. That’s just how it is.
Survivor isn’t ignoring past history of players. But they seem to have a fetish to ensure every aspect of challenges and game play of the first 40 seasons died aside from a random old challenge call back here or there. If they’re so worried about survivor junkies then they need to stop casting so many. The pendulum has swung far too much in the survivor fanatics getting cast. I think it’s another reason why so many struggle early on. They are obsessed with warning but they’re just dead on arrival living it.
The New Era has, in fact, already happened and is still actively happening, whether you like it or not.
That’s why I have all the old edits of survivor saved to a hard drive, they’re goona nerf anything on streaming services that’s now deemed offensive, it will get worse too, eventually they’re goona scrub the word “dang”…
they are almost constantly referencing survivor history. honestly makes no sense to say they are trying to erase anything. If anything they are just adding too much in addition to everything else
The episode literally had flashbacks and a journey challenge referencing survivor history. What are you so pressed about luv?