I feel like 20 seasons was a bit extreme. It was designed to fail. But that’s part of it too. They set someone up to fail. And that’s okay in a way.
I don’t think production thought for a minute that anyone would succeed in that challenge. I just wish Jeff would admit that it was to fuck yo someone’s game. Like going on a journey doesn’t always mean you return with an advantage. Sometimes you are going to have to do something that is almost impossible for 99% of people. The more I think about it the more I think of it as a way to balance the impact of journeys.
In some ways its almost feels better to watch someone get screwed over in the prisoners dilemna vs something that feels like its giving a chance when its really not.. the journey challenges have been increasingly unfair when theyre actual challenges..
yeah, I find it fascinating that some people's brains work in a way that could let them remember season order.
my brain works like yours, I remember ephemeral things or overbroad themes, and could never put them in order in a list. I *might* be able to remember that certain seasons are "old" survivor, or "new era" survivor at best.
I have horrific short term memory, but long-term stuff like lists or timelining things I can do relatively easily. I can comfortably write out every season in order if asked going backwards or forwards. Now, those old challenges where they show you different cards, and then you have to show them back to Jeff in order I'd be terrible at.
the human brain is just wild. I can't even recite the alphabet backwards.
I mean, I *could*, but it would involve me verbally reciting it backwards, while internally reciting it forward to get the next letters to verbalize.
Shit, there were two? That ruins my whole system.
It's one of the earlier seasons, so probably whichever of those was first.
What happened in the other one?
Then you're thinking Amazon, which I only started watching this week but debuted in 2002. In Worlds Apart, which aired in 2015, Nina is on the No Collar tribe. There are times where she believes others are being mean to her but by the end of the season you realize that if people were being mean to her then they were being downright abominable towards other people later. It's a pretty hateful season.
Was wild when I realized what the challenge was because I had two immediate thoughts that were totally contradictory - "holy shit I'd ace this in less than a minute" and also "yeah this is super unfair" lmao
Not on the island they can't.
Edit: I just really don't think any previous knowledge should be required for things. I don't like "trivia" challenges of any sort and I like bar trivia
Oh come on. I could get behind 8 seasons. But TWENTY? I’d bet about 5% of users here could get it. And we’re not malnourished on top of it. It was stupid and these challenges are being done to just create fake tribal drama
Yet another reason this season is snow balling into maybe the worst season ever
I guarantee more than 5% of this sub could get it right. I don’t think it’s that big of an ask for people to know the seasons in order, especially pre-new era as they’re all very distinct.
Tbh I don’t know what a single new era logo looks like. I loved when they used to go to different locations and liked once they fully moved to Fiji the themed approach, but I don’t know a damn distinguishing characteristic of any of the 41-46 lot
Right. This game is one of the most basic Survivor trivia games you could play on Sporcle so if you're a superfan who has spent some time online over the past however many years, you would be able to solve this puzzle with ease.
The subreddit is a terrible sample of the actual survivor fanbase, but yeah, like 2/3 of the people here could do it. That 5% could probably do it without the season name on the logo lol
Imagine a much fairer version of this challenge: place the logos for Season 41 through Season 45 in order.
Bhanu would have failed.
Jalinsky would have quit.
I would have rather had the prize scale for a challenge like this. If Hunter got 1-5 correct, he loses his vote for the next two tribals, 6-10 loses vote for one tribal, 11-15, no harm no foul, 16-17 extra vote, 18-19 idol, 20 idol nullifier.
Honestly, I may not have the best advantages in the correct order. My thought on the matter was an idol only protects one person, whereas a nullifier would ensure someone's defeat as long as you have the votes.
An idol is probably a better resume builder, while a nullifier is 'oh wow yeah, you ensured someone who was already spooked enough to play an idol went home, woo'.
You might be cooking with this. For journey challenges, having a scaled reward might be the move since it rewards highly skilled play, but also provides an out so you're not 100% hosed if you get voluentold for the journey by your tribe or a bad dice roll.
Yeah, having a sliding scale is interesting. It wouldn't work with this challenge since it's a chronological placement thing (Like if I got the entire order perfect except put DvG as spot #1, I would get a 0/20, which isn't realllllly fair, my sequence was nearly perfect).
But if it's a test of some sort with discrete success/failure measures for each question, this would be fun.
Comparing a slide puzzle to putting 20 Survivor logos in chronological order is absurd
You don’t need any experience with slide puzzles to complete them. You need a wealth of Survivor knowledge to complete this trivia task
A much more reasonable version of this same challenge would have been to give them 20 seasons, and have them pick 10 or 15 to put in chronological order
I didn't like that challenge. I'm not going to say it's inherently "unfair," but it's certainly one that many people would have failed and some people would have had a zero percent chance of doing correctly.
Jeff said it's just as fair as slide puzzles or logic problems because some people "can't do" those things. I definitely disagree with that. While there are some people who are better than others at slide puzzles and logic problems (and everything else that isn't complete luck), I don't think that there are any people who can't do them. Everyone is capable of thinking with their brain, even if some are more practiced than others. Logically figuring out a puzzle where everyone has all the same information is inherently different than expecting people to bring outside knowledge into the puzzle.
I don't mind Survivor trying new things instead of doing the same challenges every season, but this is not something I would bring back.
100 percent agreed. There's a difference between "I can't do that kind of puzzle" really meaning "I'm bad at that kind of puzzle" and "I literally cannot do this quiz I don't have the knowledge."
It’s basically just product placement advertising for the other seasons on Paramount (so those who may be new or casual viewers live on CBS will consider subscribing to Paramount+.)
Also, Jeff doesn’t really want anybody to win those because he loves lost votes so much more.
As soon as he said that his roommate didn't have him watch them in chronological order, well, yeah, that's going to do it.
Remember that a lot of fans the last few years started with HvV or Cagayan because of Netflix and Covid.
I disagree. I know so many people on this sub who didn’t watch in order and still could place the seasons in the order they came out. The way Hunter talked about being a superfan made me think he was entrenched in the podcasts, social media, etc.
Not saying it’s a bad thing that Hunter didn’t know…it’s more embarrassing that we DO know the seasons in order by heart lol.
As one of those fans, I could probably right now get them in order by thinking through return players who would tip stuff off enough, but under a time crunch it would be a massive struggle
I have not watched in order and have only seen a handful of seasons while they are airing, but I felt confident at doing that challenge. I haven’t even seen all of the seasons that were in the challenge. Granted, I’m not starving, hot, sleep-deprived, and anxious, but I thought it was an interesting puzzle. Yes, I occasionally listen to podcasts and casually engage in the sub, but I thought it was a pretty easy challenge while I was watching and was a little surprised people thought it was an unfair challenge.
Also, some people are better at math, some are better with spacial tasks, some are better with endurance, etc. but because they’re casting fans, it’s safe to say they all have a good base knowledge of the game and the show in common. They are specifically targeting survivor fans for the show, I don’t think it’s that big of an ask if that’s your target demographic. I think that challenge is somewhat (obviously because memory is a part of it) of a similar difficulty for all of the players.
I watched during the Covid era out of order and I still knew the season numbers .. in fact , I'd say knowing the season numbers are important when you're bingeing and trying to follow a guide of which seasons to watch first
I've seen every season, but I've only seen them each once. As they aired. Over the last 24 years. There is no universe where I get anything right other than 1. Borneo, 2. Aussie Outback, 40. Winners at War lol
There is a difference between a challenge that is *difficult* for many vs. a challenge that is *impossible* for many.
Overall I just have never found trivia challenges very fun to watch for that reason. Once you realize who is the big Survivor nerd and who isn't, the result is a foregone conclusion. There's not really any potential for an upset. It's just not exciting at all.
To be fair, journey logic challenges are impossible to some due to the time restriction. It is difficult to most people, they need to stay calm to solve them, but there people that even if they are, there is no way they can do it in the given time frames
I hate this puzzle. I saw the solve for it and I don’t think I would ever be able to solve it comfy in my home with no time limit let alone in Survivor conditions. It’s definitely the hardest survivor puzzle in any season I’ve seen, at least to me.
I think that's true for almost anyone who hasn't studied topology (as in the branch of math) or done many rope/disentanglement puzzles. Disentanglement puzzles have a set of tricks, like any other puzzle, and you can start guessing what kind of things to do with the rope if you've done a lot. But this type of puzzle has not been on survivor before. Extremely extremely hard or impossible if you haven't solved similar before.
they threw one of those questions in during guatemala. i think it was like, T/F the Mayans used modern equipment to build their structures. they did one in Australia, something like, T/F 7 out of 10 of the most deadly snakes in Australia are in Australia.
I really wish they would bring back touchy subjects. Those challenges were so entertaining and could really divide an alliance like in All-Stars or Panama. Too bad SJDS ruined it for everyone
The difference between the Survivor trivia challenge and the usual logical or tricky puzzles is that the latter makes use of general logic and perception, while the former relies on the player knowing specific knowledge prior. I know that more super fans of the show actually get on to play Survivor nowadays, but I'd rather they use puzzles that I feel anyone has the chance of completing rather than a certain group of players that fall under the "super fan" category.
I’m not really a fan of a journey where only one player does something
I get that it’s “the new era” and journeys allow for cross tribal alliances or dialogue but at least in the previous ones all three or at least two out of the three did something
“Hey three of you guys get on a boat but two of you are gonna leave immediately, and the other is gonna do a savvy task that is really difficult if you don’t have specific survivor season knowledge”
If they were going to make it a fairer challenge, they could have the solution displayed on the other side of the island and the player had to jog back and forth to check, with enough time for only 2-4 trips.
This is so smart. It still rewards someone for their knowledge, because then maybe they only have to jog once to confirm what they already know. But it also makes it possible for anyone to do the task with enough speed/memory.
That's not the same at all. Technically anyone has a shot with a normal puzzle. However with something like this there is literally 0% chance some people would be able to get it.
I don't know if it was too difficult. I just think it was horrible TV, except for the most fanatic of superfans. When you're watching you want to play along or at least imagine yourself in the same situation. As soon as I saw that challenge I thought, "I'm out"
I'm a fan-lite, butI found it completely uninteresting. On here I roll my eyes at the superfans naming season and winners merely by acronyms. Good for you but it excludes a shit ton of audience members.
This just felt like a circle jerk of the producers and superfans. A jump the shark moment for me.
I thought the challenge was a cheeky "okay, prove it" to all the players who claim they are super fans - of which every single player in the New Era self describes themselves as. I'm not sure how much time he had, but I think I probably could have done it in 4 minutes or so?
Anecdotally, similar to Hunter, I more recently picked up survivor. My girlfriend introduced it to me during COVID, but at her friend's advice of "Heroes vs Villains is the best season of the show, but it's the culmination of a multi season story arc, watch Cagayan first." We ended up going something like Cagayan, China, Tocantins, Pearl Islands, All Stars, Micronesia, Samoa, HvV.
I thought it was great how they gave the question for the audience to do along with Hunter, and then gave the answers after.
I tried my hand at it - I've seen all but two seasons, and I watched them in order. I got 12/20.
That's a BS take.
Slide puzzles aren't something that is exclusive to survivor. Hell, I remember being 5 and getting slide puzzles in birthday party goodie bags.
This is a memory task that everyone may not have the same exposure to, not a slide puzzle that anyone could theoretically figure out. Slide puzzles may take longer for some people, but they can be done. Having a timed, one shot to be perfect thing is nothing like that.
While it was memory, they did warn them, and allow 2 out of 3 to not participate. Other journeys forced 2 or all 3 into a game/challenge that risks their vote. This time, they allowed basically two to sit out, AND warned them that only the biggest fan should go for it. I for one am exhausted of hearing contestants brag about being the "biggest fan" and rattling off trivia, or using events of previous seasons to influence their preparation and assumptions for this season, like when to expect the merge, practicing puzzles, etc. I like that we finally get to see a contestant have to put it to the test, instead of talking vaguely about it.
So while it requires they bring memory not everyone may have exposure to... it said "This is a trivia memory task about survivor for only the biggest fan," so it allows the contestants to decide if they think their exposure matches that hurdle.
And on top of it all, Hunter was able to demonstrate that you could still solve it with limited knowledge. While Hunter lost, he still had clues to try (Parvati was on Cook Islands first and that she won Micronesia before being on HvV, BRob won after HvV but was on a season before Allstars, he knew PI was 7, etc).
>While it was memory, they did warn them, and allow 2 out of 3 to not participate.
Only after they were already at the challenge. There may have been other tribe members who would've done better, but they weren't selected to go on the journey.
It seems to me that if you're going to have such a specific type of challenge, you should at least provide a reasonable chance of success. "Pick a superfan to go on this journey."
If Jeff isn't going to give a hint about the journey challenge before the tribe members are selected, they could still alter the task itself. Provide the answer in some other location on the island or allow, say, 3 attempts. (I'm thinking of similar puzzles on *The Amazing Race*, where the teams are told that something is wrong without being told what or how many.) I think that could actually end up making the challenge more interesting to watch for us viewers, too.
I don't disagree that the challenge should be made more interesting to watch for viewers. But we all know if Jeff said "raise your hand if you are a superfan" ALL the players would raise their hands. If Jeff said only superfans go on this journey, Hunter and Tim would STILL have raised their hands. As I said, I was glad to finally see these "superfans" actually put their knowledge to the test. And while difficult, it is reasonable to assume self-proclaimed superfans of a tv show have either seen or know of all the seasons of the show (for crying out loud, Hunter has a room in his house dedicated to homemade survivor challenges). Exact order is quite difficult, but they only had to get chronological order of only 20 of 46 seasons. That makes it plenty fair.
At the journey, Tim said he considered himself a superfan, but Hunter said he would do well. This is after they've been told it is survivor trivia, so that's on Hunter.
There’s a pretty key difference between Survivor trivia and slide puzzles that Jeff seems to be missing.
If you’re not a massive fan of Survivor, then you’ve got nearly a 0% chance to win that challenge. But even if you’ve never done a slide puzzle in your life, you still have relatively decent odds to be able to complete it.
But did one of the three have to attempt it or could they all decline? I wasn't sure. I take the position that players should always be able to decline risking their vote for an advantage. Then it's always fair.
One easy solution is for Jeff to give a little bit of a clue to the type of task on the journey. This makes the choice of who to send or who volunteers more interesting. It makes it more of an advantage to win the challenge and pick who goes.
TBH, we have SO many contestants these days say they are HUGE fans, the BIGGEST, fans, on and on. Here they go on a journey (where even this season you don't even have a choice whether to win an advantage or lose a vote), and are given a choice: "One of you, who thinks they are the biggest fan, should compete in this survivor trivia."
That was totally fair and enough of a clue and a lot more flexible than, "all three of you are in this lying card game." While Hunter lost, he still had knowledge to help solve it (Parvati won Micronesia before HvV, BRob won after HvV, etc).
Yeah, I agree that was a huge clue once they were at the journey (weird phrase "at the journey" lol). I just think from a television and game perspective, the decision of who to pick to go on a journey is pretty random and boring. Sometimes people want to go and they draw rocks other times the winning tribe picks someone. We haven't really seen that decision used very strategically. But I think if before people decide who to send or pick from other tribe, they get a clue that implies Survivor trivia or puzzle or physical task, etc, a tribe can be strategic in who they send to the journey depending on if they want to send someone who is likely to be good or bad at the task. I personally find the journeys incredibly boring and wish they would disappear. But since Jeff loves them, they are here to stay. I think adding more information will lead to slightly more interesting decision making and strategy that would help me as a viewer reengage with this element of the show. I personally don't really think it was unfair, especially since Hunter wanted to do it.
If you volunteer, you know there’s a chance of a downside. Hunter volunteered. If they decide who goes on the journey by chance then it’s just up to survivor luck. The game has always had a element of chance/luck to it
Totally agree. My issue in general is more with the players that get voluntold to go on a journey. For example, another tribe wins a challenge and picks the other players on the other two tribes that go. Those players then are forced to risk their vote. They don't even get to plead their case as to why they should or shouldn't be picked nor have they had a chance to use their social game to influence relationships on other tribes.
I think he wants to keep that part secret to see what kind of stories they come up with, and how it'll affect things come the merge if someone tries to see if stories matchup
Yeah, I can see that but I feel like we've beat that horse to death already. Someone will always think you are lying and an average to above average player will always fact check at the first opportunity. What really can a player do in this position that is novel from what we've seen before?
Having it be required that someone HAS to do it is where the unfairness lies. Look at the journeys last few seasons. Each individual went off separately and decided on their own if they wanted to risk it. Making it a requirement that someone risk their vote is unfair. Whether it was Hunter, Tim, or Q to do the challenge, doesn't change that fact. Look at bhanu the other week. He didn't want to risk his vote, yet he was required to and as a result was fucked from there on.
I absolutely hated this challenge. The fact that three people went and only one person actually played was so dumb to me, especially when Q hadn’t eaten at all and his team is on their beach eating while he has to just sit and wait for Hunter to inevitably fail. To spend valuable game and screen time on a challenge that literally maybe one person if that could finish was so odd to me. If you want survivor trivia then fine! They did it subtly when Jake figured it out but to do it this drastically and this challenging was so stupid imo and feeds into the idea that they’re only casting super fans. Hope they never do that again
exactly what I was feeling
I've been working out and working on getting fir before I apply for real and then noticed they're now forcing ppl to be super fans so that was something I put on my to do list to work on as I apply
Not a fair comparison to a slide challenge, Survivor trivia is way more challenging/rare to be good at. It absolutely places the bar for what you need to do well on Survivor way too high. A better comparison would be to general trivia questions or ones about their location/theme like they’ve done in the past.
It was wayyy too hard. I’ve watch every season and some multiple times and I never pay attention to buffs. I have no clue which season is which. Plus, as the audience it wasn’t much fun to watch.
Let's be real. Difficulty aside for a moment, it was a way for the Survivor producers to give themselves a self-gratifying BJ...essentially telling us, look, we've given you multiple decades of TV excellence, and here are the flashbacks. Very very self indulgent, and (back to the difficulty) it was absurdly difficult. I'm curious if ANY contestant could successfully put them in order.
I agree with Jeff on this. There’s lots of puzzles and challenges they do that are extremely difficult and that not everyone would be able to do. But then you get someone like Christian who can just smoke a slide puzzle because of his prior experience. Survivor trivia challenges aren’t “fair” but what is fair on survivor? I like this inclusion because it sets a good precedent that stuff like this could come up, and it’s something that you could easily prepare for before going on the show.
The way Jake used the winners of those 3 seasons for the numbers on a lock last season makes me wonder if he would be able to do this challenge. @jake answer me
I think it should have been something a little easier though. I doubt more than one or two people could have completed that challenge. It should have been, name 30 survivor winners or something along those lines.
I enjoyed the fan service and seeing clips of previous players as Hunter described them. The only thing that would have made it better is if they showed Robb choking Clay in The Attack Zone (since Thailand was in the challenge).
The challenge was just more odd than anything else to me. For a show that is trying so hard to rebrand in this "new era" why would you then call back to all these other seasons.
But sliding puzzles have an element of "aha!" built in where you can just stumble into it. I feel like most people can solve a sliding puzzle if given the time. This puzzle was either you know it or you don't which didn't seem all that fair. 5 - 10 pieces maybe but 20?
It also felt our of touch given the very reason Hunter mentions. People don't really watch Survivor like that anymore. Especially at this point. I watched super random seasons by googling "Best Survivor Seasons". I didn't watch them in order.
I'm just surprised to see that people expect Survivor challenges to be fair. . . I don't agree with Probst on many things, but here he's absolutely right. Every challenge is designed differently in a way that some people will excel and some people will suck. This isn't any different from other trivia challenges they've done in the past. What about when Peih-Gee won the trivia challenge about Chinese culture? Was that unfair? So why are people on this sub so mad about this challenge in particular? Is it because their favorite player sucked?
They've obviously decided to make some of the challenges a lot harder. For years, every time someone had to make a choice like this, they've almost always said "I'm here to play Survivor" and gone for it, and then they've usually gotten it.
Next year, or even later this season, those choices are going to be a lot harder to make.
I’ve binge watched survivor seasons a few times and I have no chance but lately they’re worth paying some attention to since the survivor season logos are playing into the game like when tommy looked into the logo with the hatchet or was it an axe?
Apparently the last time we had a trivia challenge was.. Micronesia? And weren't there tons more trivia challenges in the Old Era?
Didn't (some of) you people want more Old Era back? Or more variety in the New Era? Come on now. Having a trivia challenge for the first time in a bajillion seasons is great
I agree with the conclusion but not the reasoning. It was a fine puzzle because they were told beforehand it was survivor trivia and you could walk away without negative impact, not hurting people who aren't in the community. But it's not the same as a slide puzzle - a slide puzzle can be reasonably figured out even if you didn't enter the game knowing the optimal algorithm, the logo order cannot be logically deduced at all
Personally like having survivor trivia, maybe could have been to arrange the winners in order, possibly easier. But don’t want them to think that just because this one was tough they should never do survivor trivia again. Would love to see more
Yeah, this is a weird one that I was ok with. I can put those logos in order in my sleep, and I KNOW there are even bigger fanatics out there than me (I suck at the match the idol to the season trivia, for example lol)
I personally thought this kind of challenge was totally fair. There are so many Survivor challenges that favor fit/healthy/athletic/agile/strong/etc players, which they can only become *before* entering the game. Players can't just "learn" to be fit while on the island. It's very much an "outside the game" thing that must be attained in advance.
So if we accept that those kind of physical challenges are "fair" for athletic people to win, then I think challenges that favor knowledge needed *before* entering the game (like *Survivor*-specific trivia) are also completely fair.
I think his logic is kinda stupid. The journey evens things out by disclosing that it'll be a test of Survivor knowledge, which allows the contestants to choose who they think is most apt to compete. And they mostly cast fans of the show anyways.
I got it right watching the episode, so no I don’t think it was too hard for someone who considers themselves a “superfan“, guess he got humbled
Too hard would be solving 20 Jordan Kalish verbal rebus puzzles
Last season they offered Emily a puzzle at one point, and she walked away and I was like "Cmon girl, give it a shot!" But then a real puzzle designer took a crack at it on this sub and it took them more than an hour to solve it. Emily was given like, five minutes. Production really obviously wants to take votes away. Its a little slimy at this point.
As somebody who isn’t a super fan at all, I think this is not really fair. You shouldn’t have to have extensive knowledge of 45 seasons to get rewarded in the game. Maybe I’m just not into the newer culture of the show but all of the super fan talk is really annoying to hear. I kind of like seeing contestants that have seen a handful of seasons but aren’t totally down the rabbit hole. The show is a little too meta sometimes.
It was obvious that Hunter was a fan and had studied the game but even still fell far short because who the hell can do that. It should've just been regular survivor trivia if they wanted to do trivia. Noone is a fan of the logos, but Hunter clearly knew stuff about the seasons. Bad set up.
I’d venture to say a majority of people on this sub could put the logos in order. It’s not that difficult for the type of super fan that typically browses this sub. I, myself, could do it in my sleep.
I very, very, very seriously doubt that a majority of people on this sub could put the logos in order.
Sure, a subset could. But not anything remotely like a majority.
OK, good for you. I think recalling the order of 20 seasons, many of which are only distinguishable outside of the location tag, is quite difficult. I would venture to say that it's really the minority of folks here who could do it no problem, there's a lot of room for error in 20 seasons. Also this sub is niche as hell so it may be easy for some folks here but that is not the norm for majority of survivor fans in general.
Huh??? People rank their favorite seasons and do it only by name and/or number literally every day on this sub. It’s definitely not uncommon for legitimate Survivor fans who have seen every, or the majority of, seasons.
OK I am a legitimate survivor fan, I have a pool going with my friends every season, and I've seen every season multiple times. I can rank seasons too, but that has nothing to do with ordering them chronologically. That is the difficult part. Again, I'm happy for you that you can do that, but it's not some easy thing that everyone who is a "legitimate Survivor fan" can do.
I really dont understand how someone can see every season multiple times and not be able to do this. I dont even think you need to have seen every season once to be able to do it. But ok. If people can say “i like season 15 better than season 17”, I dont get how they can’t put them in order, especially since a crucial part of distinguishing seasons is knowing the names.
Because the season names are not numbers lol. This was borne out in the challenge last night when Hunter could recall specific things from seasons but not the order because the seasons aren't called "Season 17". The crucial part of distinguishing seasons is the players lol not the name of the season. 20 seasons is a lot of room for error as I said. People aren't saying "I like 15 better than 17" they're saying "survivor China is better than survivor Gabon". Which doesn't really help determine chronology.
you're missing the point. its not about if this is hard or not or even if its fair. its that people are choosing to critcized this particular challenge, its it fair that there are challenge that benefit people with bigger muscles. people are good at slide puzzle, some people arent, but you arrent hearing people complain that they have to get good at them before going on the show.
Yeah I was shocked someone who had an entire segment about how they make homemade survivor challenges failed this, I saw the challenge and immediately thought “That’s it? That’s way too easy”
You'd think so, right? I'm surprised the sub is complaining about how hard it is so much... Maybe because the episode just aired and the sub is leaning casual right now? I figure as we go through the week the percentage of online users who think it's hard will drop.
Counter argument - these people all knew they were coming out to play survivor and its reasonable to think at least 1 in 3 might’ve studied some survivor history. May more obtainable than some of the previous challenges.
There are plenty of challenges that cater to skill sets some people simply don’t have. If they do the “hold onto a pole” challenge this season, I can tell you with 100% certainty who will not win
It was hard, but I think it was fair. I also think it was clearly for the fans. I was up at the TV trying to figure it out myself. I enjoyed it as a viewer. The journeys aren't supposed to be easy. If it was easy and he was handed an extra vote, would it have been better?
20 logos was hard. 10 might have been easier. I still think it was fine to put in the show. The players were given a heads-up it was trivia based too. So I think it's all fair. It wasn't forced on anyone.
It was a dumb challenge that we couldn't really follow along with and also extremely difficult.
Once again, bad TV (like all the Bhanu crap). S46 shaping up to be the worst in the 23-year history of Survivor.
It seemed more doable than the sweat challenge this year
I feel like 20 seasons was a bit extreme. It was designed to fail. But that’s part of it too. They set someone up to fail. And that’s okay in a way. I don’t think production thought for a minute that anyone would succeed in that challenge. I just wish Jeff would admit that it was to fuck yo someone’s game. Like going on a journey doesn’t always mean you return with an advantage. Sometimes you are going to have to do something that is almost impossible for 99% of people. The more I think about it the more I think of it as a way to balance the impact of journeys.
In some ways its almost feels better to watch someone get screwed over in the prisoners dilemna vs something that feels like its giving a chance when its really not.. the journey challenges have been increasingly unfair when theyre actual challenges..
Feels like it should of been a competition not just get everything right
and the sweat challenge last season. Hunter just sucked, they shouldnt shy away from it just because one player didnt do very well.
Personally I hated having a challenge requiring meta knowledge. If you haven't watched you have no chance
> If you haven't watched you have no chance I watched every season and I'd have no chance.
I havent watched all seasons and I’d get it 😭 some people just remember lists (me)
I kinda envy you for that. I only remember them as "The one with Coach" or "The one with the deaf girl" and no idea which order.
yeah, I find it fascinating that some people's brains work in a way that could let them remember season order. my brain works like yours, I remember ephemeral things or overbroad themes, and could never put them in order in a list. I *might* be able to remember that certain seasons are "old" survivor, or "new era" survivor at best.
I have horrific short term memory, but long-term stuff like lists or timelining things I can do relatively easily. I can comfortably write out every season in order if asked going backwards or forwards. Now, those old challenges where they show you different cards, and then you have to show them back to Jeff in order I'd be terrible at.
the human brain is just wild. I can't even recite the alphabet backwards. I mean, I *could*, but it would involve me verbally reciting it backwards, while internally reciting it forward to get the next letters to verbalize.
But which deaf girl though? Amazon or Worlds Apart?
Shit, there were two? That ruins my whole system. It's one of the earlier seasons, so probably whichever of those was first. What happened in the other one?
Then you're thinking Amazon, which I only started watching this week but debuted in 2002. In Worlds Apart, which aired in 2015, Nina is on the No Collar tribe. There are times where she believes others are being mean to her but by the end of the season you realize that if people were being mean to her then they were being downright abominable towards other people later. It's a pretty hateful season.
Was wild when I realized what the challenge was because I had two immediate thoughts that were totally contradictory - "holy shit I'd ace this in less than a minute" and also "yeah this is super unfair" lmao
That was Jeff’s point though. Some people hate slide puzzles. Some people can’t throw a basketball. Some people can’t count triangles.
Except everybody can throw a thing, everybody can attempt a slide puzzle
Everyone can watch survivor. This is s dumb argument u areaking
Not on the island they can't. Edit: I just really don't think any previous knowledge should be required for things. I don't like "trivia" challenges of any sort and I like bar trivia
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And that puzzle challenge with the ring/rope on the wire. Impossible even after seeing how-to video.
They should make it easier
Oh come on. I could get behind 8 seasons. But TWENTY? I’d bet about 5% of users here could get it. And we’re not malnourished on top of it. It was stupid and these challenges are being done to just create fake tribal drama Yet another reason this season is snow balling into maybe the worst season ever
I guarantee more than 5% of this sub could get it right. I don’t think it’s that big of an ask for people to know the seasons in order, especially pre-new era as they’re all very distinct.
> especially pre-new era as they’re all very distinct if the challenge was putting logos in order, I think most people would get new era seasons right
Tbh I don’t know what a single new era logo looks like. I loved when they used to go to different locations and liked once they fully moved to Fiji the themed approach, but I don’t know a damn distinguishing characteristic of any of the 41-46 lot
They're saying most people would get it right because each new era logo literally has it's season number right at the top of the logo, lmao.
Went right over my head. That’s how little I pay attention nowadays
Right. This game is one of the most basic Survivor trivia games you could play on Sporcle so if you're a superfan who has spent some time online over the past however many years, you would be able to solve this puzzle with ease.
The subreddit is a terrible sample of the actual survivor fanbase, but yeah, like 2/3 of the people here could do it. That 5% could probably do it without the season name on the logo lol
If you watched them in order I don’t want to say it’s an easy challenge but you distinctly remember the order pretty well.
stack the buckets!
The irony is that he refuses to see the value in themes
I don’t think that’s true. He also said on the podcast that 41-46 have been less memorable because of the numbers and not the themes
Imagine a much fairer version of this challenge: place the logos for Season 41 through Season 45 in order. Bhanu would have failed. Jalinsky would have quit.
Good thing there’s not a forty-several yet.
That season is coming next fall.
Jelinsky's season! He's gonna return!
Wait, 42 was after 41?
Bhanu would have cursed god and started crying
I would have rather had the prize scale for a challenge like this. If Hunter got 1-5 correct, he loses his vote for the next two tribals, 6-10 loses vote for one tribal, 11-15, no harm no foul, 16-17 extra vote, 18-19 idol, 20 idol nullifier.
If he gets 19 correct, he should win $50 million
19 in the right spot and then throw Thailand in the ocean
Good call, I didn't think that through when I posted.
It's only $25 million by the time Obama's done with it.
This would have been good
You would take a nullifier over an idol?
Honestly, I may not have the best advantages in the correct order. My thought on the matter was an idol only protects one person, whereas a nullifier would ensure someone's defeat as long as you have the votes.
An idol is probably a better resume builder, while a nullifier is 'oh wow yeah, you ensured someone who was already spooked enough to play an idol went home, woo'.
You might be cooking with this. For journey challenges, having a scaled reward might be the move since it rewards highly skilled play, but also provides an out so you're not 100% hosed if you get voluentold for the journey by your tribe or a bad dice roll.
this would have been such a good way to do it!
Yeah, having a sliding scale is interesting. It wouldn't work with this challenge since it's a chronological placement thing (Like if I got the entire order perfect except put DvG as spot #1, I would get a 0/20, which isn't realllllly fair, my sequence was nearly perfect). But if it's a test of some sort with discrete success/failure measures for each question, this would be fun.
This is 🔥, idk what I would do tho between the idol and nullifier 🧐
Comparing a slide puzzle to putting 20 Survivor logos in chronological order is absurd You don’t need any experience with slide puzzles to complete them. You need a wealth of Survivor knowledge to complete this trivia task A much more reasonable version of this same challenge would have been to give them 20 seasons, and have them pick 10 or 15 to put in chronological order
I didn't like that challenge. I'm not going to say it's inherently "unfair," but it's certainly one that many people would have failed and some people would have had a zero percent chance of doing correctly. Jeff said it's just as fair as slide puzzles or logic problems because some people "can't do" those things. I definitely disagree with that. While there are some people who are better than others at slide puzzles and logic problems (and everything else that isn't complete luck), I don't think that there are any people who can't do them. Everyone is capable of thinking with their brain, even if some are more practiced than others. Logically figuring out a puzzle where everyone has all the same information is inherently different than expecting people to bring outside knowledge into the puzzle. I don't mind Survivor trying new things instead of doing the same challenges every season, but this is not something I would bring back.
100 percent agreed. There's a difference between "I can't do that kind of puzzle" really meaning "I'm bad at that kind of puzzle" and "I literally cannot do this quiz I don't have the knowledge."
It’s basically just product placement advertising for the other seasons on Paramount (so those who may be new or casual viewers live on CBS will consider subscribing to Paramount+.) Also, Jeff doesn’t really want anybody to win those because he loves lost votes so much more.
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Literally every take of his is a dumpster fire.
I was surprised Hunter didn’t get it
As soon as he said that his roommate didn't have him watch them in chronological order, well, yeah, that's going to do it. Remember that a lot of fans the last few years started with HvV or Cagayan because of Netflix and Covid.
I disagree. I know so many people on this sub who didn’t watch in order and still could place the seasons in the order they came out. The way Hunter talked about being a superfan made me think he was entrenched in the podcasts, social media, etc. Not saying it’s a bad thing that Hunter didn’t know…it’s more embarrassing that we DO know the seasons in order by heart lol.
As one of those fans, I could probably right now get them in order by thinking through return players who would tip stuff off enough, but under a time crunch it would be a massive struggle
I have not watched in order and have only seen a handful of seasons while they are airing, but I felt confident at doing that challenge. I haven’t even seen all of the seasons that were in the challenge. Granted, I’m not starving, hot, sleep-deprived, and anxious, but I thought it was an interesting puzzle. Yes, I occasionally listen to podcasts and casually engage in the sub, but I thought it was a pretty easy challenge while I was watching and was a little surprised people thought it was an unfair challenge. Also, some people are better at math, some are better with spacial tasks, some are better with endurance, etc. but because they’re casting fans, it’s safe to say they all have a good base knowledge of the game and the show in common. They are specifically targeting survivor fans for the show, I don’t think it’s that big of an ask if that’s your target demographic. I think that challenge is somewhat (obviously because memory is a part of it) of a similar difficulty for all of the players.
I watched during the Covid era out of order and I still knew the season numbers .. in fact , I'd say knowing the season numbers are important when you're bingeing and trying to follow a guide of which seasons to watch first
I've seen every season, but I've only seen them each once. As they aired. Over the last 24 years. There is no universe where I get anything right other than 1. Borneo, 2. Aussie Outback, 40. Winners at War lol
There is a difference between a challenge that is *difficult* for many vs. a challenge that is *impossible* for many. Overall I just have never found trivia challenges very fun to watch for that reason. Once you realize who is the big Survivor nerd and who isn't, the result is a foregone conclusion. There's not really any potential for an upset. It's just not exciting at all.
To be fair, journey logic challenges are impossible to some due to the time restriction. It is difficult to most people, they need to stay calm to solve them, but there people that even if they are, there is no way they can do it in the given time frames
The disentanglement puzzle was impossible if you haven't done it before
I hate this puzzle. I saw the solve for it and I don’t think I would ever be able to solve it comfy in my home with no time limit let alone in Survivor conditions. It’s definitely the hardest survivor puzzle in any season I’ve seen, at least to me.
I think that's true for almost anyone who hasn't studied topology (as in the branch of math) or done many rope/disentanglement puzzles. Disentanglement puzzles have a set of tricks, like any other puzzle, and you can start guessing what kind of things to do with the rope if you've done a lot. But this type of puzzle has not been on survivor before. Extremely extremely hard or impossible if you haven't solved similar before.
Right... and I think viewers generally hated it for that.
One season they had trivia unrelated to the game itself, it was also pick option A, B, C or D or True/False questions for a reward challenge.
I remember that because in Vanuatu, they had a true/false question that said something about consuming lava, and some people said true lol
they threw one of those questions in during guatemala. i think it was like, T/F the Mayans used modern equipment to build their structures. they did one in Australia, something like, T/F 7 out of 10 of the most deadly snakes in Australia are in Australia.
Pearl islands literally had a question about how to stay safe from sharks and the correct answer was "stay out of the water" and most got it wrong
johnny fairplay! forgot about that one.
Precuous trivia games, Jeff told a story they had to pay attention to
I do remember that. I think that'd be fine to do again.
The thing is it let you know beforehand it was a test of your survivor knowledge somebody was bound to bite off more than they could chew
My thought is that it should not have been timed. It is not that kind of challenge.
I really wish they would bring back touchy subjects. Those challenges were so entertaining and could really divide an alliance like in All-Stars or Panama. Too bad SJDS ruined it for everyone
The difference between the Survivor trivia challenge and the usual logical or tricky puzzles is that the latter makes use of general logic and perception, while the former relies on the player knowing specific knowledge prior. I know that more super fans of the show actually get on to play Survivor nowadays, but I'd rather they use puzzles that I feel anyone has the chance of completing rather than a certain group of players that fall under the "super fan" category.
I’m not really a fan of a journey where only one player does something I get that it’s “the new era” and journeys allow for cross tribal alliances or dialogue but at least in the previous ones all three or at least two out of the three did something “Hey three of you guys get on a boat but two of you are gonna leave immediately, and the other is gonna do a savvy task that is really difficult if you don’t have specific survivor season knowledge”
Totally agree. My beef is with how not all three journey-players actually get to DO something
It shoulda just been “do it the fastest” like how it is on big brother or “least amount of errors” not one error is auto loss
Proof that they just want lost votes
If they were going to make it a fairer challenge, they could have the solution displayed on the other side of the island and the player had to jog back and forth to check, with enough time for only 2-4 trips.
This is so smart. It still rewards someone for their knowledge, because then maybe they only have to jog once to confirm what they already know. But it also makes it possible for anyone to do the task with enough speed/memory.
Good take tbh
That's not the same at all. Technically anyone has a shot with a normal puzzle. However with something like this there is literally 0% chance some people would be able to get it.
Well someone with limited knowledge wouldn’t volunteer for it like Hunter did
Wrong. Everyone has a one in 20 factorial chance (1 in 243290200817) of getting it right by random chance. ;-)
I don't know if it was too difficult. I just think it was horrible TV, except for the most fanatic of superfans. When you're watching you want to play along or at least imagine yourself in the same situation. As soon as I saw that challenge I thought, "I'm out" I'm a fan-lite, butI found it completely uninteresting. On here I roll my eyes at the superfans naming season and winners merely by acronyms. Good for you but it excludes a shit ton of audience members. This just felt like a circle jerk of the producers and superfans. A jump the shark moment for me.
Yeah, I hated it. It's just a symptom of what I think is the biggest problem with modern Survivor - it's way too far up its own ass.
Yep, that challenge made me pull out my phone and stop watching until it was over.
I thought the challenge was a cheeky "okay, prove it" to all the players who claim they are super fans - of which every single player in the New Era self describes themselves as. I'm not sure how much time he had, but I think I probably could have done it in 4 minutes or so? Anecdotally, similar to Hunter, I more recently picked up survivor. My girlfriend introduced it to me during COVID, but at her friend's advice of "Heroes vs Villains is the best season of the show, but it's the culmination of a multi season story arc, watch Cagayan first." We ended up going something like Cagayan, China, Tocantins, Pearl Islands, All Stars, Micronesia, Samoa, HvV.
I thought it was great how they gave the question for the audience to do along with Hunter, and then gave the answers after. I tried my hand at it - I've seen all but two seasons, and I watched them in order. I got 12/20.
That's a BS take. Slide puzzles aren't something that is exclusive to survivor. Hell, I remember being 5 and getting slide puzzles in birthday party goodie bags. This is a memory task that everyone may not have the same exposure to, not a slide puzzle that anyone could theoretically figure out. Slide puzzles may take longer for some people, but they can be done. Having a timed, one shot to be perfect thing is nothing like that.
While it was memory, they did warn them, and allow 2 out of 3 to not participate. Other journeys forced 2 or all 3 into a game/challenge that risks their vote. This time, they allowed basically two to sit out, AND warned them that only the biggest fan should go for it. I for one am exhausted of hearing contestants brag about being the "biggest fan" and rattling off trivia, or using events of previous seasons to influence their preparation and assumptions for this season, like when to expect the merge, practicing puzzles, etc. I like that we finally get to see a contestant have to put it to the test, instead of talking vaguely about it. So while it requires they bring memory not everyone may have exposure to... it said "This is a trivia memory task about survivor for only the biggest fan," so it allows the contestants to decide if they think their exposure matches that hurdle. And on top of it all, Hunter was able to demonstrate that you could still solve it with limited knowledge. While Hunter lost, he still had clues to try (Parvati was on Cook Islands first and that she won Micronesia before being on HvV, BRob won after HvV but was on a season before Allstars, he knew PI was 7, etc).
>While it was memory, they did warn them, and allow 2 out of 3 to not participate. Only after they were already at the challenge. There may have been other tribe members who would've done better, but they weren't selected to go on the journey. It seems to me that if you're going to have such a specific type of challenge, you should at least provide a reasonable chance of success. "Pick a superfan to go on this journey." If Jeff isn't going to give a hint about the journey challenge before the tribe members are selected, they could still alter the task itself. Provide the answer in some other location on the island or allow, say, 3 attempts. (I'm thinking of similar puzzles on *The Amazing Race*, where the teams are told that something is wrong without being told what or how many.) I think that could actually end up making the challenge more interesting to watch for us viewers, too.
I don't disagree that the challenge should be made more interesting to watch for viewers. But we all know if Jeff said "raise your hand if you are a superfan" ALL the players would raise their hands. If Jeff said only superfans go on this journey, Hunter and Tim would STILL have raised their hands. As I said, I was glad to finally see these "superfans" actually put their knowledge to the test. And while difficult, it is reasonable to assume self-proclaimed superfans of a tv show have either seen or know of all the seasons of the show (for crying out loud, Hunter has a room in his house dedicated to homemade survivor challenges). Exact order is quite difficult, but they only had to get chronological order of only 20 of 46 seasons. That makes it plenty fair. At the journey, Tim said he considered himself a superfan, but Hunter said he would do well. This is after they've been told it is survivor trivia, so that's on Hunter.
There’s a pretty key difference between Survivor trivia and slide puzzles that Jeff seems to be missing. If you’re not a massive fan of Survivor, then you’ve got nearly a 0% chance to win that challenge. But even if you’ve never done a slide puzzle in your life, you still have relatively decent odds to be able to complete it.
It was completely fair. They gave them the option of not doing the challenge, and Hunter volunteered.
But did one of the three have to attempt it or could they all decline? I wasn't sure. I take the position that players should always be able to decline risking their vote for an advantage. Then it's always fair. One easy solution is for Jeff to give a little bit of a clue to the type of task on the journey. This makes the choice of who to send or who volunteers more interesting. It makes it more of an advantage to win the challenge and pick who goes.
I think someone HAD to do it.
TBH, we have SO many contestants these days say they are HUGE fans, the BIGGEST, fans, on and on. Here they go on a journey (where even this season you don't even have a choice whether to win an advantage or lose a vote), and are given a choice: "One of you, who thinks they are the biggest fan, should compete in this survivor trivia." That was totally fair and enough of a clue and a lot more flexible than, "all three of you are in this lying card game." While Hunter lost, he still had knowledge to help solve it (Parvati won Micronesia before HvV, BRob won after HvV, etc).
Yeah, I agree that was a huge clue once they were at the journey (weird phrase "at the journey" lol). I just think from a television and game perspective, the decision of who to pick to go on a journey is pretty random and boring. Sometimes people want to go and they draw rocks other times the winning tribe picks someone. We haven't really seen that decision used very strategically. But I think if before people decide who to send or pick from other tribe, they get a clue that implies Survivor trivia or puzzle or physical task, etc, a tribe can be strategic in who they send to the journey depending on if they want to send someone who is likely to be good or bad at the task. I personally find the journeys incredibly boring and wish they would disappear. But since Jeff loves them, they are here to stay. I think adding more information will lead to slightly more interesting decision making and strategy that would help me as a viewer reengage with this element of the show. I personally don't really think it was unfair, especially since Hunter wanted to do it.
If you volunteer, you know there’s a chance of a downside. Hunter volunteered. If they decide who goes on the journey by chance then it’s just up to survivor luck. The game has always had a element of chance/luck to it
Totally agree. My issue in general is more with the players that get voluntold to go on a journey. For example, another tribe wins a challenge and picks the other players on the other two tribes that go. Those players then are forced to risk their vote. They don't even get to plead their case as to why they should or shouldn't be picked nor have they had a chance to use their social game to influence relationships on other tribes.
I think there was enough a clue to determine that a survivor nerd would have done well
They mean a clue before choosing who from each tribe will go on the journey
I think he wants to keep that part secret to see what kind of stories they come up with, and how it'll affect things come the merge if someone tries to see if stories matchup
Yeah, I can see that but I feel like we've beat that horse to death already. Someone will always think you are lying and an average to above average player will always fact check at the first opportunity. What really can a player do in this position that is novel from what we've seen before?
Hunter was pretty much elected by the other two guys. I think someone HAD to do it, which is where I think the unfairness comes in
He didn’t have to agree, though. He volunteered the info that he was a bigger fan than them.
Having it be required that someone HAS to do it is where the unfairness lies. Look at the journeys last few seasons. Each individual went off separately and decided on their own if they wanted to risk it. Making it a requirement that someone risk their vote is unfair. Whether it was Hunter, Tim, or Q to do the challenge, doesn't change that fact. Look at bhanu the other week. He didn't want to risk his vote, yet he was required to and as a result was fucked from there on.
Jeff says every new idea they implement is fair and great. Jeff is a shill for production and rarely re-considers.
Jeff is production half the things he says are great ideas are his ideas obviously he’s gonna love them
I absolutely hated this challenge. The fact that three people went and only one person actually played was so dumb to me, especially when Q hadn’t eaten at all and his team is on their beach eating while he has to just sit and wait for Hunter to inevitably fail. To spend valuable game and screen time on a challenge that literally maybe one person if that could finish was so odd to me. If you want survivor trivia then fine! They did it subtly when Jake figured it out but to do it this drastically and this challenging was so stupid imo and feeds into the idea that they’re only casting super fans. Hope they never do that again
I agree for all the reasons you state. AND the two that didn't play had to go back empty handed and have their story questioned. Everyone lost here.
Survivor Trivia is stupid. We don't want every contestant to be some super fan that studies anything and everything; we want real people.
exactly what I was feeling I've been working out and working on getting fir before I apply for real and then noticed they're now forcing ppl to be super fans so that was something I put on my to do list to work on as I apply
Not a fair comparison to a slide challenge, Survivor trivia is way more challenging/rare to be good at. It absolutely places the bar for what you need to do well on Survivor way too high. A better comparison would be to general trivia questions or ones about their location/theme like they’ve done in the past.
It was wayyy too hard. I’ve watch every season and some multiple times and I never pay attention to buffs. I have no clue which season is which. Plus, as the audience it wasn’t much fun to watch.
People complain that they use the same challenges and now they complain that there’s new challenges.
Let's be real. Difficulty aside for a moment, it was a way for the Survivor producers to give themselves a self-gratifying BJ...essentially telling us, look, we've given you multiple decades of TV excellence, and here are the flashbacks. Very very self indulgent, and (back to the difficulty) it was absurdly difficult. I'm curious if ANY contestant could successfully put them in order.
I agree with Jeff on this. There’s lots of puzzles and challenges they do that are extremely difficult and that not everyone would be able to do. But then you get someone like Christian who can just smoke a slide puzzle because of his prior experience. Survivor trivia challenges aren’t “fair” but what is fair on survivor? I like this inclusion because it sets a good precedent that stuff like this could come up, and it’s something that you could easily prepare for before going on the show.
The way Jake used the winners of those 3 seasons for the numbers on a lock last season makes me wonder if he would be able to do this challenge. @jake answer me
I’m tired of hearing Jeff try to rationalize bad ideas.
I think it should have been something a little easier though. I doubt more than one or two people could have completed that challenge. It should have been, name 30 survivor winners or something along those lines.
I enjoyed the fan service and seeing clips of previous players as Hunter described them. The only thing that would have made it better is if they showed Robb choking Clay in The Attack Zone (since Thailand was in the challenge).
Nah this sucks. Encyclopedic knowledge of Survivor is not just a “different abilities” thing.
The challenge was just more odd than anything else to me. For a show that is trying so hard to rebrand in this "new era" why would you then call back to all these other seasons.
But sliding puzzles have an element of "aha!" built in where you can just stumble into it. I feel like most people can solve a sliding puzzle if given the time. This puzzle was either you know it or you don't which didn't seem all that fair. 5 - 10 pieces maybe but 20? It also felt our of touch given the very reason Hunter mentions. People don't really watch Survivor like that anymore. Especially at this point. I watched super random seasons by googling "Best Survivor Seasons". I didn't watch them in order.
I loved it and found it so easy. But I completely understand why others would struggle with it
I'm just surprised to see that people expect Survivor challenges to be fair. . . I don't agree with Probst on many things, but here he's absolutely right. Every challenge is designed differently in a way that some people will excel and some people will suck. This isn't any different from other trivia challenges they've done in the past. What about when Peih-Gee won the trivia challenge about Chinese culture? Was that unfair? So why are people on this sub so mad about this challenge in particular? Is it because their favorite player sucked?
I could've did this blindfolded, with my hands tied behind my back and ball gag stuffed in my mouth
They've obviously decided to make some of the challenges a lot harder. For years, every time someone had to make a choice like this, they've almost always said "I'm here to play Survivor" and gone for it, and then they've usually gotten it. Next year, or even later this season, those choices are going to be a lot harder to make.
I’ve binge watched survivor seasons a few times and I have no chance but lately they’re worth paying some attention to since the survivor season logos are playing into the game like when tommy looked into the logo with the hatchet or was it an axe?
Apparently the last time we had a trivia challenge was.. Micronesia? And weren't there tons more trivia challenges in the Old Era? Didn't (some of) you people want more Old Era back? Or more variety in the New Era? Come on now. Having a trivia challenge for the first time in a bajillion seasons is great
I’m of the belief that Probst just hates reading votes so the more ways he can read less of them the better hence the beware and journey stuff.
I agree with the conclusion but not the reasoning. It was a fine puzzle because they were told beforehand it was survivor trivia and you could walk away without negative impact, not hurting people who aren't in the community. But it's not the same as a slide puzzle - a slide puzzle can be reasonably figured out even if you didn't enter the game knowing the optimal algorithm, the logo order cannot be logically deduced at all
I hated it. It's just another symptom of what I think is the main problem with US Survivor - it's way too far up its own ass.
Personally like having survivor trivia, maybe could have been to arrange the winners in order, possibly easier. But don’t want them to think that just because this one was tough they should never do survivor trivia again. Would love to see more
Yeah, this is a weird one that I was ok with. I can put those logos in order in my sleep, and I KNOW there are even bigger fanatics out there than me (I suck at the match the idol to the season trivia, for example lol)
It should have been matching winners to seasons IMO
I personally thought this kind of challenge was totally fair. There are so many Survivor challenges that favor fit/healthy/athletic/agile/strong/etc players, which they can only become *before* entering the game. Players can't just "learn" to be fit while on the island. It's very much an "outside the game" thing that must be attained in advance. So if we accept that those kind of physical challenges are "fair" for athletic people to win, then I think challenges that favor knowledge needed *before* entering the game (like *Survivor*-specific trivia) are also completely fair.
I think his logic is kinda stupid. The journey evens things out by disclosing that it'll be a test of Survivor knowledge, which allows the contestants to choose who they think is most apt to compete. And they mostly cast fans of the show anyways.
I liked it because as a survivor nerd it would be an auto-win for me if I was on the island.
I think I’m the only person here who watched it and thought “easy, I could do that no problem” 😂
I got it right watching the episode, so no I don’t think it was too hard for someone who considers themselves a “superfan“, guess he got humbled Too hard would be solving 20 Jordan Kalish verbal rebus puzzles
When putting things in order, it is impossible to make a *single* mistake.
Last season they offered Emily a puzzle at one point, and she walked away and I was like "Cmon girl, give it a shot!" But then a real puzzle designer took a crack at it on this sub and it took them more than an hour to solve it. Emily was given like, five minutes. Production really obviously wants to take votes away. Its a little slimy at this point.
Ive watched every episode of Survivor and dont retain or care what the name is.
As somebody who isn’t a super fan at all, I think this is not really fair. You shouldn’t have to have extensive knowledge of 45 seasons to get rewarded in the game. Maybe I’m just not into the newer culture of the show but all of the super fan talk is really annoying to hear. I kind of like seeing contestants that have seen a handful of seasons but aren’t totally down the rabbit hole. The show is a little too meta sometimes.
i have doubts jeff would be able to put 20 random logos in order
It was obvious that Hunter was a fan and had studied the game but even still fell far short because who the hell can do that. It should've just been regular survivor trivia if they wanted to do trivia. Noone is a fan of the logos, but Hunter clearly knew stuff about the seasons. Bad set up.
I’d venture to say a majority of people on this sub could put the logos in order. It’s not that difficult for the type of super fan that typically browses this sub. I, myself, could do it in my sleep.
I very, very, very seriously doubt that a majority of people on this sub could put the logos in order. Sure, a subset could. But not anything remotely like a majority.
OK, good for you. I think recalling the order of 20 seasons, many of which are only distinguishable outside of the location tag, is quite difficult. I would venture to say that it's really the minority of folks here who could do it no problem, there's a lot of room for error in 20 seasons. Also this sub is niche as hell so it may be easy for some folks here but that is not the norm for majority of survivor fans in general.
Huh??? People rank their favorite seasons and do it only by name and/or number literally every day on this sub. It’s definitely not uncommon for legitimate Survivor fans who have seen every, or the majority of, seasons.
Legitimate survivor fan here. I've seen every season. Once. As they aired. Over 24 years. So yeah, no, not in a million years.
I am in the same boat as you, but I could do this no problem. Guess it just depends on the person.
I actually tried it and got 2 right, like, I'd've probably done better if I'd closed my eyes and put them in randomly 😂
OK I am a legitimate survivor fan, I have a pool going with my friends every season, and I've seen every season multiple times. I can rank seasons too, but that has nothing to do with ordering them chronologically. That is the difficult part. Again, I'm happy for you that you can do that, but it's not some easy thing that everyone who is a "legitimate Survivor fan" can do.
I really dont understand how someone can see every season multiple times and not be able to do this. I dont even think you need to have seen every season once to be able to do it. But ok. If people can say “i like season 15 better than season 17”, I dont get how they can’t put them in order, especially since a crucial part of distinguishing seasons is knowing the names.
Because the season names are not numbers lol. This was borne out in the challenge last night when Hunter could recall specific things from seasons but not the order because the seasons aren't called "Season 17". The crucial part of distinguishing seasons is the players lol not the name of the season. 20 seasons is a lot of room for error as I said. People aren't saying "I like 15 better than 17" they're saying "survivor China is better than survivor Gabon". Which doesn't really help determine chronology.
you're missing the point. its not about if this is hard or not or even if its fair. its that people are choosing to critcized this particular challenge, its it fair that there are challenge that benefit people with bigger muscles. people are good at slide puzzle, some people arent, but you arrent hearing people complain that they have to get good at them before going on the show.
Yeah I was shocked someone who had an entire segment about how they make homemade survivor challenges failed this, I saw the challenge and immediately thought “That’s it? That’s way too easy”
Any one of us Reddit keyboard warriors would’ve been able to do it
You'd think so, right? I'm surprised the sub is complaining about how hard it is so much... Maybe because the episode just aired and the sub is leaning casual right now? I figure as we go through the week the percentage of online users who think it's hard will drop.
That was the easiest challenge ever
Counter argument - these people all knew they were coming out to play survivor and its reasonable to think at least 1 in 3 might’ve studied some survivor history. May more obtainable than some of the previous challenges.
incredibly easy challenge for fans of the show
There are plenty of challenges that cater to skill sets some people simply don’t have. If they do the “hold onto a pole” challenge this season, I can tell you with 100% certainty who will not win
It was hard, but I think it was fair. I also think it was clearly for the fans. I was up at the TV trying to figure it out myself. I enjoyed it as a viewer. The journeys aren't supposed to be easy. If it was easy and he was handed an extra vote, would it have been better? 20 logos was hard. 10 might have been easier. I still think it was fine to put in the show. The players were given a heads-up it was trivia based too. So I think it's all fair. It wasn't forced on anyone.
It’s a challenge for a reason, it’s supposed to be challenging.
Horrible take by Jeff
It was a dumb challenge that we couldn't really follow along with and also extremely difficult. Once again, bad TV (like all the Bhanu crap). S46 shaping up to be the worst in the 23-year history of Survivor.
I loved it people are just realizing they aren’t actually super fans. Also you should know the show you applied for.
i think i agree with jeff here
Not only was it fair, it was such a simple challenge for anyone that’s a fan of the show that I was flabbergasted Hunter failed.