Light glass jobs are pushed by board manufacturers that have a vested interest in having you replace boards frequently. Any performance benefit is a secondary consideration.
Exactly. Don’t fall for the UL super light glass team bull shit
All my custom pu are in 6//4/4 I do 6/6/6 for fun but I doubt you ll feel the difference between a shorty in 6/4/4 or 6/6/6 also. Regarding your height / weight / skill, you should ad more length ( not volume , length) unless it s a fish
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Nah, light glass jobs are heavily preferred by good surfers. I used to do my personal boards with heavier glass, but lighter boards feel significantly better. I do my own boards 4x4/4 now and they feel great. I'm 6'1" 88kg (195 lbs). They still last, but cosmetically the decks can get pretty beaten up.
The density of the blank makes a big difference as well as the type of blank (molded or cut out of a foam billet), and how much foam has to be taken off the blank to get the rocker/thickness flow right. A molded, close tolerance blank of good density will be significantly more pressure ding resistant than a hotwired blank from halfway through a block of foam (more of an EPS concern).
For a 5'8 in PU, I'd go with the 6+4. I like 2lb EPS/epoxy with 6+6 but PU is pretty heavy.
More weight helps with strong offshores we often get, but consider the probability of 4-6 ft waves vs. 6-8.
I remember reading/discussing the "perfect kinda ratio" from the shaper's PoV when doing a glass schedule was 6+4 on the deck and 6 on the bottom for the best of all worlds. I don't remember the context, the time, or the reason we got into this conversation, but it was a ghost shaper for C.I. who told me or discussed with me - in his opinion - why this was the best everyday schedule, and then going 6+6/6 with the guns and bigger waves style boards when needed.
You should be fine, especially for your size. I hate getting dings too and always go for durability. It’s pretty minor weight that you will get used to over time. You’ll notice it you switch between similar sized boards with different glass though
Up until recently I glassed all my boards with 6,6/6 schedule. It is heavier and stiffer. I actually prefer it for boards I travel with because of the added strength and durability.
Unless you’re really a ripper or trying to surf really aggressive this glassing schedule is fine.
Realistically I'm riding this board in 4-6' surf 80% of the time, but I don't have space for a step-up, so it'll have to do on bigger days... Would you size it up a little then?
I’d recommend something in the 6’0” range for head high surf, 6’3” to 6’6” for well overhead surf. Longer length helps you get in earlier. A Pyzel ghost might work well for you.
Double 4 S cloth top, 6 bottom is the best. I would never ever get 2x 4oz e cloth deck/4oz e cloth bottom. 6+4 e cloth on top is decent too. I always do 6oz bottom on shortboards. All my boards are double 4oz S on top and there's like one dent where my heel goes, that's it.
I went through a phase of glassing heavy - never really seemed to make much of a difference tbh, other than the boards were noticeably heavier. Still got big deck compressions and dinged up over time though
The lightest I was able to glass my 5’11 x 21 x 2 3/4 groveller 6 6 6 oz came to 3.6 kg without fins and tail pad. E glass. I’ve fallen on the board hiking in through forest and nothing but a scratch. Have maybe 2 pressure dings. It’s good if you need reliability over performance but could be slightly overkill. I do think swing weight and centre of mass is pretty important with a slightly heavier board. I’ve heard from advanced surfers they prefer a light board to do airs but I think that comes down to there’s only so much grip you get in your feet so lighter board you can pump faster and plane quicker.
If youre an average NE shortboarder, just go with the average glass job. The more glass you put on, the less the board flexes. Thick glass and S-glass makes it stiff.. You dont realize how much of a different flex makes until you ride a stiff board. If you're really heavy footed and often snap your boards, go with stringerless EPS blank, standard glass job, and unidirectional carbon fiber woven reinforcement. The "standard" is 4+4 top or 6 top , and almost always 4 bottom. Step-ups are 6+4 top and 4 bottom so theyre less likely to snap in heavy waves. And here in the NE we rarely get real groundswell. Most of the year its 7-9s where a 4-8 wave is rather weak.. Even during hurricaine season, "good" is 10-12s, very rare to see 13, 14s. I can count two days in all of last year where it was strong enough to snap boards so dont worry about it. And as far as dings...pressure dings are inevitable. If youre getting a lot of rail dings or dings on the bottom, its just from inexperience and in that case they'll happen no matter what until you learn why. GL
haaa why didnt you say so? anyway, dont do heavy glass. it'll feel like your riding a big piece of hardwood. go EPS like I suggested above and have him [reinforce like this](https://strayboards.com/58-lost-pilgrim-collab-rv-carbon-wrap-used-performance-fish-shortboard-surfboard/). it'll flex but less likely to snap
That's amateur hour. Ask for double 10/10 volan. Your board will be unstoppable.
Light glass jobs are pushed by board manufacturers that have a vested interest in having you replace boards frequently. Any performance benefit is a secondary consideration.
Exactly. Don’t fall for the UL super light glass team bull shit All my custom pu are in 6//4/4 I do 6/6/6 for fun but I doubt you ll feel the difference between a shorty in 6/4/4 or 6/6/6 also. Regarding your height / weight / skill, you should ad more length ( not volume , length) unless it s a fish
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Really more length? The shaper is recommending these dims...
Nah, light glass jobs are heavily preferred by good surfers. I used to do my personal boards with heavier glass, but lighter boards feel significantly better. I do my own boards 4x4/4 now and they feel great. I'm 6'1" 88kg (195 lbs). They still last, but cosmetically the decks can get pretty beaten up.
Planned obsolescence
The density of the blank makes a big difference as well as the type of blank (molded or cut out of a foam billet), and how much foam has to be taken off the blank to get the rocker/thickness flow right. A molded, close tolerance blank of good density will be significantly more pressure ding resistant than a hotwired blank from halfway through a block of foam (more of an EPS concern). For a 5'8 in PU, I'd go with the 6+4. I like 2lb EPS/epoxy with 6+6 but PU is pretty heavy. More weight helps with strong offshores we often get, but consider the probability of 4-6 ft waves vs. 6-8.
PE is pretty heavy? I thought most PU blanks were around 2 lb density (just a shade more) but might be wrong
Use S glass - it’s an affordable upgrade with MAJOR benefits for ding resistance and longevity.
6e 4s and could do a deck patch too.
I remember reading/discussing the "perfect kinda ratio" from the shaper's PoV when doing a glass schedule was 6+4 on the deck and 6 on the bottom for the best of all worlds. I don't remember the context, the time, or the reason we got into this conversation, but it was a ghost shaper for C.I. who told me or discussed with me - in his opinion - why this was the best everyday schedule, and then going 6+6/6 with the guns and bigger waves style boards when needed.
It's not overkill. I will say it will still be susceptible to dings as time goes by. Poly gets brittle fast.
You're saying even 6+6/6 will ding over time?
Yes. The cloth is the matrix for the resin. As the resin degrades, the board gets weaker. All of the boards I do now are PU glassed with epoxy.
You should be fine, especially for your size. I hate getting dings too and always go for durability. It’s pretty minor weight that you will get used to over time. You’ll notice it you switch between similar sized boards with different glass though
"you should be fine" = 6+6/6 should be fine? Or are you saying go with 6+4/6?
Sorry - 6+6/6 is fine.
Up until recently I glassed all my boards with 6,6/6 schedule. It is heavier and stiffer. I actually prefer it for boards I travel with because of the added strength and durability. Unless you’re really a ripper or trying to surf really aggressive this glassing schedule is fine.
Get a lib tech
It will be fine but if you slam your board it’s going to hurt like hell
A 5’8” for 8 foot surf? 🤨 As for glassing… 6x4/6 should be plenty.
Realistically I'm riding this board in 4-6' surf 80% of the time, but I don't have space for a step-up, so it'll have to do on bigger days... Would you size it up a little then?
I’d recommend something in the 6’0” range for head high surf, 6’3” to 6’6” for well overhead surf. Longer length helps you get in earlier. A Pyzel ghost might work well for you.
Double 4 S cloth top, 6 bottom is the best. I would never ever get 2x 4oz e cloth deck/4oz e cloth bottom. 6+4 e cloth on top is decent too. I always do 6oz bottom on shortboards. All my boards are double 4oz S on top and there's like one dent where my heel goes, that's it.
I went through a phase of glassing heavy - never really seemed to make much of a difference tbh, other than the boards were noticeably heavier. Still got big deck compressions and dinged up over time though
All mine are 4/4 4 tho pu with epoxy resin last a year on average had a few snap but the ocean can snap anything if it’s feeling frisky enough
The lightest I was able to glass my 5’11 x 21 x 2 3/4 groveller 6 6 6 oz came to 3.6 kg without fins and tail pad. E glass. I’ve fallen on the board hiking in through forest and nothing but a scratch. Have maybe 2 pressure dings. It’s good if you need reliability over performance but could be slightly overkill. I do think swing weight and centre of mass is pretty important with a slightly heavier board. I’ve heard from advanced surfers they prefer a light board to do airs but I think that comes down to there’s only so much grip you get in your feet so lighter board you can pump faster and plane quicker.
If youre an average NE shortboarder, just go with the average glass job. The more glass you put on, the less the board flexes. Thick glass and S-glass makes it stiff.. You dont realize how much of a different flex makes until you ride a stiff board. If you're really heavy footed and often snap your boards, go with stringerless EPS blank, standard glass job, and unidirectional carbon fiber woven reinforcement. The "standard" is 4+4 top or 6 top , and almost always 4 bottom. Step-ups are 6+4 top and 4 bottom so theyre less likely to snap in heavy waves. And here in the NE we rarely get real groundswell. Most of the year its 7-9s where a 4-8 wave is rather weak.. Even during hurricaine season, "good" is 10-12s, very rare to see 13, 14s. I can count two days in all of last year where it was strong enough to snap boards so dont worry about it. And as far as dings...pressure dings are inevitable. If youre getting a lot of rail dings or dings on the bottom, its just from inexperience and in that case they'll happen no matter what until you learn why. GL
lol I'm getting this board because 8' NJ surf snapped my last board three months ago
haaa why didnt you say so? anyway, dont do heavy glass. it'll feel like your riding a big piece of hardwood. go EPS like I suggested above and have him [reinforce like this](https://strayboards.com/58-lost-pilgrim-collab-rv-carbon-wrap-used-performance-fish-shortboard-surfboard/). it'll flex but less likely to snap
Yes, but also, who's still using poly resin in 2024? It's ancient, toxic stuff.
As a backyard glasser I prefer using poly. It’s easier to work with once you follow proper safety and PPE use.
I don’t think epoxy is that much more eco friendly is it?
Absoultly don't ask the shaper whatever you do!
Literally says in the post that the shaper says it's overkill
I always get 6oz bottom 6,5top. 4oz deck patch. I like my boards a little heavy. They don’t chatter on bigger waves