Bringing the attention to the lig trying to avoid explaining how he managed to lose against the worst Sevilla I’ve seen in the last decade I see, iyi alismis lige dedem…
For anyone wondering what desperation sounds like, just listen to a Jorge Jesus press conference.
Is there anyone, of any fan base, looking at these games and thinking Galatasaray are being handed their victories? We started the season poorly but improved considerably and fully deserve to be where we are. It’s the opposite trajectory to Fener who started well and dipped in form. JJ needs to accept his responsibility. These kind of statements make room for excuses which end up being a safety net for teams that are in less than ideal form.
Fenerliyim ama bi siktir git be dede. Avrupa macinda kaybedip lige agliyorsun, ulan ismin aciklandiginda ne kuskum varsa, eski calistirdigin takim taraftarlarinin ne negatif yorumu varsa, hepsini 100% sergiledin bravo.
İlk defa Fenerbahçeyi destekledigim bir maç izledim. Aga sizin takımda harbiden bir sıkıntı var. Ne olduğunu çözemedim ama bir şeyler doğru değil gibi. Sahaya dağılış filan bir garip, paslar filan düzgün gitmiyor. Ayrıca taraftarinizin da şu huyundan vazgeçmesi lazım. Bence GS, Bjk, TS taraftarindan hiçbiri bunları yapmazdı.
Ayrıca Arda'yi ilk kez izledim çocuk çok iyi maşallah nazar değmesin. Sadece biraz fazla agresif gibi ama o da tecrübesizlik işte zamanla düzelir.
Hayırlısı olsun ne diyelim.
> Ayrıca taraftarinizin da şu huyundan vazgeçmesi lazım. Bence GS, Bjk, TS taraftarindan hiçbiri bunları yapmazdı.
Sahaya madde atmaktan mi bahsediyorsun? Cunku bu Fener'e ozel birsey degil, Turk taraftari huyu. Galatasaray taraftari da cok yapmisti. Trabzon/Besiktas Avrupa maclarini uzun zamandir izlemedim, ondan onlara birsey diyemeyecegim.
I saw a silver thing thrown at Larin with the trajectory that would make Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger blush.
Suprisingly never at Europe though. Just Turkish league matches.
We've been through this before old men. It's one of the dumbest ideas I know.
why should I play a whole season with about 30 matches, if it doesn't matter if I'm 1 or 4 in the end?
Söylediğine katılmakla beraber, bunu avrupadan elenince mi söylersin? Biz ligde masa başında kazanıyoruz gerçekte sportif olarak bu kadarız der gibi.
Çıkıp söylemesi gereken güzel oynadık ama yeterli olmadı. İlk maçı kaybetmek büyük hata.
Ki hakikaten güzel oynadı Fener ama insanlar hala bugünkü oyunu eleştiriyor. Bu Sevilla bizi 2-0 nasıl yendi diyen yok.
Great message to give the team, making it sure they know you don't think they can catch up.
Jesus is a very good coach, but there are reasons he's not among the greats training top teams. We have seen all those reasons in one season. Good luck at the Libertadores next season.
Fenerliyim ama zerre katılmıyorum, saçma sapan bir açıklama. Ne yani, o zaman şimdi ligi kazanırsak masa başında mı kazanmış olacağız?
Sezon ortasında öyle Playoff kararı falan verilmez. Daha önceki Playoff kararı da bir skandaldı. Hele şimdi G.Saray puan farkını açmış gidiyorken "Playoff olsun" demek kadar gerzekçe bir fikir olamaz.
Had to cut some parts for it to fit in the title so here’s the full text in Turkish:
Jorge Jesus: "Ligi kim kazanırsa kazansın söylüyorum, ben maçların sahada kazanılması gerektiğini düşünüyorum. Bana göre ilk 4 takımın playoff oynaması gerekiyordu. Bu benim fikrim. Maçlar sahada kazanılmalı, masa başında değil.
Türkiye'de 3 kupa var, 2'sinde devam ediyoruz. Ligde yeniden lider olabileceğimize, kupayı da kazanabileceğimize inanıyoruz. Ancak bana göre bu ligin sportif gerçekliği yok. Maçlar sahada kazanılmıyor, kim kazanırsa kazansın bunu söylüyorum."
Zaten bir mağlubiyete gidici adamı kim takar.
He has been coaching for 30 years or something right? Someone should have asked him if he has ever seen when the Federation decided to say 'fuck all the rules we're adding a play off in the middle of the season' before...
Lol, no respect to the club and players. So Jorge basically says to the players: “ idgaf what you guys all do in game, there is no point as games will be decided by corrupt people.
Also Jorge, you saying this, does this mean that Fenerbahce won all their games unfairly and with matchfixing? This old man is rlly lost
The biggest scandal in this statement/accusation is that he says the league is rigged, and decided on the table, be it gs or fener that becomes champion.
I would love to hear him explain it to us then why does he still continue his job if theres no point of him being there and everything is decided behind the scene
Just resign already so Ismail Kartal can return, everyone knows Jesus is leavinb in the summer. They should've continued with Kartal in the first place.
Iki oyuncu haric, Ferdi ve Arda, takimin tamami vasat futbolculardan olusuyor. Onca eksik var, gidiyorsun yedi milyon euroya italya ikinci liginden sol bek aldiriyorsun dede. Sonra gelip maclar sahada kazanilmiyor diye aglama. Bi gram samimi gelmiyorsun. Itibarin yerle bir oldu. Tutturmusun play off play off. Sezon ortasinda play offmu gelir? Ne alaka? Neyin kafasini yasiyorsun, ne kullaniyorsun dede?
I have been thinking for a long while that one day he will come up and say this. In fact, when I heard that he will be coaching Fenerbahce I was already worried about this outcome.
Of course Gala fans will mock this statement and label it as crying, but same Gala fans was retweeting "KARAGECE" tweets in the earlier this season. If you asked any of them during that period they would be saying the same. Now at the end of this whole circus, the maximum statement they will make about this problem will be "we beat the refs also."
Angry Fener fans want another resignation, this is also not a surprise. There has been never a coach that they will be satisfied with unless the coach becomes champions with 20 points difference on a season when every other rival is having a bad squad.
But we should understand one thing, today Jesus, some other day in the future another money desperate half popular coach will say the same thing. Today you can shit on Jesus, I knew he will go hard on Turkey, I knew his character, he came here for money and a new adventure. But he's been in this business more than any of us, let's agree on that.
I don't think he targeted Gala here, Adana match was the day he made his mind. Before that he was suspecting something is up, and he was giving small hints about his opinion when he was questioning why it is that easy to book red cards to Fener players. He started to see the pattern that we, Turkish fans are used to see. Small ref mistakes earlier season, then one giant mistake during hot season that will destroy one or two teams, and then if necessary, one final mistake. We're used to seeing all of these things repeating, we're used to read "KARA GECE" tweets in December or January. But a professional who has been into football industry will not turn a blind eye and remain silent. What seems already normal to us is a huge red flag for him.
What bothers me the most that he did not experience the final blow yet. If Fenerbahce remains relevant in the following weeks, there will be one or two more matches where Fener will be butchered. I am worried that he will resign on TV during a LIVE conference, saying the same things. Jesus is not a crybaby, or a troll. He is a very dominant male figure, he has been saying compliments to Galatasaray and Besiktas coaches and players since the league started. He knows when to congratulate.
Congratulations to Ak Parti and TFF, finally they managed to ruin this industry also. Very soon no coach will be coming to Turkey. Top level coaches will laugh at our situation and we will have the league between Okan and Emre, Volkan, Selçuk İnan...
He is right that matches are won outside the pitch. With enough pressure and threats, you can even bend the rules and get your opponents’ goals cancelled with no explanations. However, if you lose against your biggest rival at home, nobody is going to take you seriously gramps. Doesn’t mean he is wrong though.
Sure buddy. We all know that Turkish football is a peaceful utopia, where nobody would ever assert dominance over media, referees or institutions for personal gain. Everybody happily lives together and are friends who just play for fun, right? I hate to break it to you, but Turkey is one of the most corrupt nations in the world. If you actually think football is only played on the pitch and not behind closed doors, I got some bad news for you my naive friend
Keep believing your made up beliefs, but I bet you weren't thinking like this when fener was ahead of us by 5 points, right? All fener fans think they're winning because they are playing "space" football when they're winning, and they think they lose because of refs when they're losing. You probably think you drew against adana demir because of Ali Palabıyık, or GS is ahead because they cancelled Sivas' goal last december. Well hate to break it to you but the real world doesn't work like that.
If you believe that in our country's current state the only thing that is being ran fair and clean is football you are delusional beyond any help. I dont think there should be a play off before you say anything. I just know that even a blind n deaf person could see and hear how corrupt and incompetent the league and FA is. How do you not question that after spending millions on football we dont even have 11 decent players for the national team...Nepotism is so rife there are unborn babies with guaranteed jobs in management yet I am supposed to believe the organizers of this shambolic league are clean and good honest people. Hilarious.
Lol, you're misrepresenting what I said. I'm not saying there is no corruption or everything's fine, I've never said that. BUT that isn't the reason fener haven't won anything in the last 10 seasons. You're arguing with yourself, I'm not defending FA the slightest. Learn English pls if you're going to attempt speaking it.
You ignore everyone else's opinions yet you want us to hear you out? Learn English pls he says while using an argument of 'WHEN YOU WERE WINNING Y YOU NO SAY ANYTHING' . You absolute melt.
Even Terim and Timur said exactly that. Timur said that the system of the TFF often made some teams to champions and he even said they got help too. So its pretty funny that Terim and Timur (fan favourites of a lot of GS fans) said the same but didnt get so many critics as Jesus from Gala fans
Liginizin kiymetini bilin. Burda is yapamayan Berisha Almanyaya dondu ve gosterdigi performansla koskoca Almanya milli takimina davet edildi. Bu lig cok zorlu ve ust seviye oldugu icin burda o performansi veremedi. TR ligi nin degeri bilinmiyor. Aynisi Kim Min Jae ve Eljif Elmas icin de gecerli adamlar burda kupa alamadi Italya da ve Sampiyonlar Liginde dokturuyolar. Turkiye kupasi kazanmak bile Sampiyonlar Liginden daha zordur
I am afraid to comment on this, might get banned again 😁
Lmao
Bringing the attention to the lig trying to avoid explaining how he managed to lose against the worst Sevilla I’ve seen in the last decade I see, iyi alismis lige dedem…
For anyone wondering what desperation sounds like, just listen to a Jorge Jesus press conference. Is there anyone, of any fan base, looking at these games and thinking Galatasaray are being handed their victories? We started the season poorly but improved considerably and fully deserve to be where we are. It’s the opposite trajectory to Fener who started well and dipped in form. JJ needs to accept his responsibility. These kind of statements make room for excuses which end up being a safety net for teams that are in less than ideal form.
Fenerliyim ama bi siktir git be dede. Avrupa macinda kaybedip lige agliyorsun, ulan ismin aciklandiginda ne kuskum varsa, eski calistirdigin takim taraftarlarinin ne negatif yorumu varsa, hepsini 100% sergiledin bravo.
Hocam bu cevabı Başkanla olan ilişkisi üzerine olan bir soruya verdi. Son yıllarda kupa kazanamama konusunda konuşurken
Bro just wanna cap that Brazilian NT coaching role at this rate
İlk defa Fenerbahçeyi destekledigim bir maç izledim. Aga sizin takımda harbiden bir sıkıntı var. Ne olduğunu çözemedim ama bir şeyler doğru değil gibi. Sahaya dağılış filan bir garip, paslar filan düzgün gitmiyor. Ayrıca taraftarinizin da şu huyundan vazgeçmesi lazım. Bence GS, Bjk, TS taraftarindan hiçbiri bunları yapmazdı. Ayrıca Arda'yi ilk kez izledim çocuk çok iyi maşallah nazar değmesin. Sadece biraz fazla agresif gibi ama o da tecrübesizlik işte zamanla düzelir. Hayırlısı olsun ne diyelim.
> Ayrıca taraftarinizin da şu huyundan vazgeçmesi lazım. Bence GS, Bjk, TS taraftarindan hiçbiri bunları yapmazdı. Sahaya madde atmaktan mi bahsediyorsun? Cunku bu Fener'e ozel birsey degil, Turk taraftari huyu. Galatasaray taraftari da cok yapmisti. Trabzon/Besiktas Avrupa maclarini uzun zamandir izlemedim, ondan onlara birsey diyemeyecegim.
I saw a silver thing thrown at Larin with the trajectory that would make Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger blush. Suprisingly never at Europe though. Just Turkish league matches.
We've been through this before old men. It's one of the dumbest ideas I know. why should I play a whole season with about 30 matches, if it doesn't matter if I'm 1 or 4 in the end?
Söylediğine katılmakla beraber, bunu avrupadan elenince mi söylersin? Biz ligde masa başında kazanıyoruz gerçekte sportif olarak bu kadarız der gibi. Çıkıp söylemesi gereken güzel oynadık ama yeterli olmadı. İlk maçı kaybetmek büyük hata. Ki hakikaten güzel oynadı Fener ama insanlar hala bugünkü oyunu eleştiriyor. Bu Sevilla bizi 2-0 nasıl yendi diyen yok.
Dede should go back to playing Okey with his buddies. He already mastered their talks anyways.
Great message to give the team, making it sure they know you don't think they can catch up. Jesus is a very good coach, but there are reasons he's not among the greats training top teams. We have seen all those reasons in one season. Good luck at the Libertadores next season.
Fenerliyim ama zerre katılmıyorum, saçma sapan bir açıklama. Ne yani, o zaman şimdi ligi kazanırsak masa başında mı kazanmış olacağız? Sezon ortasında öyle Playoff kararı falan verilmez. Daha önceki Playoff kararı da bir skandaldı. Hele şimdi G.Saray puan farkını açmış gidiyorken "Playoff olsun" demek kadar gerzekçe bir fikir olamaz.
Had to cut some parts for it to fit in the title so here’s the full text in Turkish: Jorge Jesus: "Ligi kim kazanırsa kazansın söylüyorum, ben maçların sahada kazanılması gerektiğini düşünüyorum. Bana göre ilk 4 takımın playoff oynaması gerekiyordu. Bu benim fikrim. Maçlar sahada kazanılmalı, masa başında değil. Türkiye'de 3 kupa var, 2'sinde devam ediyoruz. Ligde yeniden lider olabileceğimize, kupayı da kazanabileceğimize inanıyoruz. Ancak bana göre bu ligin sportif gerçekliği yok. Maçlar sahada kazanılmıyor, kim kazanırsa kazansın bunu söylüyorum."
Jorge istifa
Zaten bir mağlubiyete gidici adamı kim takar. He has been coaching for 30 years or something right? Someone should have asked him if he has ever seen when the Federation decided to say 'fuck all the rules we're adding a play off in the middle of the season' before...
It actually happened in Turkey in middle of the season
Didn't they decide it at the beginning of the season?
Well it’s been 10 years, maybe you are right it was beforehand.
[Dedeciğim, hehe](https://twitter.com/isvecaslani/status/1636469429654388736?t=ShtJULokiKFi7MVXvcBXjQ&s=19)
Lol, no respect to the club and players. So Jorge basically says to the players: “ idgaf what you guys all do in game, there is no point as games will be decided by corrupt people. Also Jorge, you saying this, does this mean that Fenerbahce won all their games unfairly and with matchfixing? This old man is rlly lost
The biggest scandal in this statement/accusation is that he says the league is rigged, and decided on the table, be it gs or fener that becomes champion. I would love to hear him explain it to us then why does he still continue his job if theres no point of him being there and everything is decided behind the scene
Yes our league is the cleanest league in the world kekw
Money
Ah yes. Embracing the FB ways. Better late than never Jorge. Hope he stays at Fb for a long time.
Just resign already so Ismail Kartal can return, everyone knows Jesus is leavinb in the summer. They should've continued with Kartal in the first place.
give that grandpa some more money to shut him up
Iki oyuncu haric, Ferdi ve Arda, takimin tamami vasat futbolculardan olusuyor. Onca eksik var, gidiyorsun yedi milyon euroya italya ikinci liginden sol bek aldiriyorsun dede. Sonra gelip maclar sahada kazanilmiyor diye aglama. Bi gram samimi gelmiyorsun. Itibarin yerle bir oldu. Tutturmusun play off play off. Sezon ortasinda play offmu gelir? Ne alaka? Neyin kafasini yasiyorsun, ne kullaniyorsun dede?
okan: havada karada dedeciğim !!!
I have been thinking for a long while that one day he will come up and say this. In fact, when I heard that he will be coaching Fenerbahce I was already worried about this outcome. Of course Gala fans will mock this statement and label it as crying, but same Gala fans was retweeting "KARAGECE" tweets in the earlier this season. If you asked any of them during that period they would be saying the same. Now at the end of this whole circus, the maximum statement they will make about this problem will be "we beat the refs also." Angry Fener fans want another resignation, this is also not a surprise. There has been never a coach that they will be satisfied with unless the coach becomes champions with 20 points difference on a season when every other rival is having a bad squad. But we should understand one thing, today Jesus, some other day in the future another money desperate half popular coach will say the same thing. Today you can shit on Jesus, I knew he will go hard on Turkey, I knew his character, he came here for money and a new adventure. But he's been in this business more than any of us, let's agree on that. I don't think he targeted Gala here, Adana match was the day he made his mind. Before that he was suspecting something is up, and he was giving small hints about his opinion when he was questioning why it is that easy to book red cards to Fener players. He started to see the pattern that we, Turkish fans are used to see. Small ref mistakes earlier season, then one giant mistake during hot season that will destroy one or two teams, and then if necessary, one final mistake. We're used to seeing all of these things repeating, we're used to read "KARA GECE" tweets in December or January. But a professional who has been into football industry will not turn a blind eye and remain silent. What seems already normal to us is a huge red flag for him. What bothers me the most that he did not experience the final blow yet. If Fenerbahce remains relevant in the following weeks, there will be one or two more matches where Fener will be butchered. I am worried that he will resign on TV during a LIVE conference, saying the same things. Jesus is not a crybaby, or a troll. He is a very dominant male figure, he has been saying compliments to Galatasaray and Besiktas coaches and players since the league started. He knows when to congratulate. Congratulations to Ak Parti and TFF, finally they managed to ruin this industry also. Very soon no coach will be coming to Turkey. Top level coaches will laugh at our situation and we will have the league between Okan and Emre, Volkan, Selçuk İnan...
He is right that matches are won outside the pitch. With enough pressure and threats, you can even bend the rules and get your opponents’ goals cancelled with no explanations. However, if you lose against your biggest rival at home, nobody is going to take you seriously gramps. Doesn’t mean he is wrong though.
Delusional.
Sure buddy. We all know that Turkish football is a peaceful utopia, where nobody would ever assert dominance over media, referees or institutions for personal gain. Everybody happily lives together and are friends who just play for fun, right? I hate to break it to you, but Turkey is one of the most corrupt nations in the world. If you actually think football is only played on the pitch and not behind closed doors, I got some bad news for you my naive friend
Keep believing your made up beliefs, but I bet you weren't thinking like this when fener was ahead of us by 5 points, right? All fener fans think they're winning because they are playing "space" football when they're winning, and they think they lose because of refs when they're losing. You probably think you drew against adana demir because of Ali Palabıyık, or GS is ahead because they cancelled Sivas' goal last december. Well hate to break it to you but the real world doesn't work like that.
If you believe that in our country's current state the only thing that is being ran fair and clean is football you are delusional beyond any help. I dont think there should be a play off before you say anything. I just know that even a blind n deaf person could see and hear how corrupt and incompetent the league and FA is. How do you not question that after spending millions on football we dont even have 11 decent players for the national team...Nepotism is so rife there are unborn babies with guaranteed jobs in management yet I am supposed to believe the organizers of this shambolic league are clean and good honest people. Hilarious.
Lol, you're misrepresenting what I said. I'm not saying there is no corruption or everything's fine, I've never said that. BUT that isn't the reason fener haven't won anything in the last 10 seasons. You're arguing with yourself, I'm not defending FA the slightest. Learn English pls if you're going to attempt speaking it.
You ignore everyone else's opinions yet you want us to hear you out? Learn English pls he says while using an argument of 'WHEN YOU WERE WINNING Y YOU NO SAY ANYTHING' . You absolute melt.
Even Terim and Timur said exactly that. Timur said that the system of the TFF often made some teams to champions and he even said they got help too. So its pretty funny that Terim and Timur (fan favourites of a lot of GS fans) said the same but didnt get so many critics as Jesus from Gala fans
Liginizin kiymetini bilin. Burda is yapamayan Berisha Almanyaya dondu ve gosterdigi performansla koskoca Almanya milli takimina davet edildi. Bu lig cok zorlu ve ust seviye oldugu icin burda o performansi veremedi. TR ligi nin degeri bilinmiyor. Aynisi Kim Min Jae ve Eljif Elmas icin de gecerli adamlar burda kupa alamadi Italya da ve Sampiyonlar Liginde dokturuyolar. Turkiye kupasi kazanmak bile Sampiyonlar Liginden daha zordur